unless you mean a stageless SoA
#pvp
marsh plume
stuck talon
Ehh i did some evaluations and i think the only thing going for duelist weap is more gold anvils (potentially a lot more) and less dmgs
But if the weaps arent treated differently in terms of pvp normalizations duelist seems a lot weaker than even vos aka +12 duelist = +11 vos correct me if im wrong
I guess ill check the match stats later
marsh plume
11 vos 11 duelist r on similar dmg levels, duelist can make up it's lack of raw dmg / mystics by specs
which would affect skills if anything
duelist is more flexible because you can more or less just redo specs w/ jellmatis rng
and can use it account wide unless it's bankshare restricted
(assuming you have more than 1 class of the same char)
stuck talon
Idk abt that since vos can get over 10% phy atk from mystics more as well as phy lvl if u put duelist at 6 phy levels greater than vos
marsh plume
that's why i said duelist has raw less dmg
stuck talon
But like over 20% less is kind of a lot imo
marsh plume
but stuff like asd specs more or less make up for it if you only account for skills
commands and actives will hit like a wet noodle
stuck talon
I guess duelist has 10% unormalized mpr
marsh plume
the only reason you'd want duelist over raid weps is if you want to play more than 1 class of your char
stuck talon
Anyways i decided to go 2 piece rigo anyway so its even harder to consider duelist now
marsh plume
f.e i play Ain and want to play both mag classes without spending on a raid wep for each
stuck talon
Sage will affect myself if theres no party member or nah
marsh plume
sage does affect you but it's not worth it
stuck talon
The only ara id consider seriously playing pvp with other than ara is surya and tbh i didnt really like that class
Eh i think i will take it for 10% multiplicative skill dmgs plus even more useful in team
marsh plume
depending on pieces you lose atk spd or the maxi buff
and that's assuming you're willing to +11 r21 it
marsh plume
yeah you're losing the maxi buff
stuck talon
The rigo shoe has maxi i thought
marsh plume
is it
stuck talon
But tbh i just started so plus +11 armors will take some time
Losing the 10% mpr is the only downside imo
And the damage should be better with rigo
I think its like 10% more bulk
2%
Hm thats not that much
For my current set up on ashal its 2% bulkier 1% more atk with 10% skill party buff ~7% sp active skill dmg trade with 8% mpr 12% specific skill dmg and 4% double atk 6% additive red dmgs
But its already +10 r20 from pho
Anyway im opting for as much reasonable bulk as possible since my primary game plan is to potentially catch with mod e shadow weave for a potential double kill with matchless and teammate follow up
So my duelist primary specializations are for p and mdef as well
Otherwise it would be more bulk
empty ore
2pc sage huh, never thought i'd see someone trying that out
stuck talon
Why not does it even work in pvp
marsh plume
you get party wide skill dmg but also you lose the extra mpr from specs
not to mention you get 1.5% all skill dmg per duelist spec slot
and random q can land you either a teammate who's gonna make use of the extra dmg or baggage
fiery lionBOT
arkspine has been warned
empty ore
10% Asd sage
vs
12% asd on 2pc duelist
abstract yacht
worth noting sage's asd is ... iirc; multi (scales 10% off your ASD's stat value)
duelist's is flat
not only that most ASDs are reduced to 40% effectivity in PvP (duelist is not one of these, so duelist gives full value)
which makes Sage's multi buff much worse, only worthwhile if all you're trying to be is a battery for your teammate on a 2v2
abstract yacht
it's not
but it's multi
so all your ASD being affected by 40%
ends up affecting Sage
Sage is giving its 10%
but your pve ASD goes from like 128% to like, Idk, 30%? maybe less since a good chunk of asd are pve-only
and so then what is 10% of that? almost nothing
stuck talon
O thats not that good
stuck talon
actually ashal says if u have 30% asd, then your asd becomes 130->143 with sage 2pc...
knotty kraken
im still convinced etw is one of the worst pvp classes
stuck talon
does abyss cube give +9 soa
oblique sundial
Paeq is schizoposting again
warm hornet
does abyss cube give +9 soa
yes.
stuck talon
Wait all the cube give +9 or
warm hornet
Wait all the cube give +9 or
yes, but you still have to do the weapon stages to make them have better stats.
knotty kraken
giving out 20 stacks of jelmatis once again
i am rapidly running out of inven space pls take them
except for dekomlev he doesnt get any
dusk dock
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stuck talon
Does anyone know how OoR title interacts with indomitable will as well as buffs like TW vital point pierce
arctic gulch
What makes 7w good? seems very common set with nothing special..
empty ore
Does anyone know how OoR title interacts with indomitable will as well as buffs ...
Idom will activate even with oor
I'd assume the same with vpp
empty ore
What makes 7w good? seems very common set with nothing special..
The mpr, its one of the most needed stats in pvp
So getting as much as you can if reccomended
Also it helps that there aren't a lot of pvp sets
Elpheus is another pvp in set
arctic gulch
which mpr tho? cant see in the effects.. you mean the awakening thing?
empty ore
Yes upon awakening you get -4% mpr for a while
marsh plume
What makes 7w good? seems very common set with nothing special..
stat wise it's pt avg but the mpr + 30 mp r what make it good
Nowadays it's kinda common for people to be at least on 25-30% mpr, so flat free mp goes well w/ it
esp bc free mp can lead into a resource adv
an extra active, mp 4 nuking, popping an extra skill bc of a specific situation etc
sinful anvil
dull forum
Does anyone know how OoR title interacts with indomitable will as well as buffs ...
U still crit anyways
Whenever oor procs you get the crit dmg ncrease
Increase*
So you could technically int 56% hp
And get full crit for the rest of the game
stuck talon
Hmm well at least it is only 100 run now instead of 1000 i will try to build it since i drop crit for add dmgs with idom already
stuck talon
also what the heck is the champion acc 3 pc line do with the kd?
stuck talon
So you could technically int 56% hp
also my bad for some reason when i read this it was completely ignored in my head and i wasnt able to determine whether or not you confirmed that iw force procs while oor title is equipped
abstract yacht
that whenever you are attacked you get stacks that gives you more KD, basically you get knocked down easier with it when being hit
be noted some classes still have absurdly low KD ""combos""/high KD-reducing attacks that it still means nothing to them
stuck talon
Huh i guess i test it out vs military earpiece but its has extra effects
marsh plume
Hmm well at least it is only 100 run now instead of 1000 i will try to build it ...
The issue w/ oor builds is that mpr is tied to crit
so you do get some dmg but it's usually worse off overall because everyone else's tools cost less
Unless you spend a unhealthy amount of money for IBs
stuck talon
Ya but with 4 pc duelist i managed to scrounged 30% mpr and would take 20% mpr to cap it which imo rather just take 30% hp dmgs + add dmg for now since 30 - 35 ~8% mp difference vs ~avg 30%? Dmgs increase from OoR i calced + add dmg and dmg <30
But i guess u also get crit hm
Well 30% to ~90% crit is only abt 30% dmg increase which is same as oor and tbh i think the add dmgs could add a lot of dmg o.o
Anyway i still collecting gears so i havent socketed anything yet but i really wanted the dmg <30 mainly to stack as much def possibly to spam more aps mod e in 2v2
Actually idk if oor actually give that much plus take title slot
I wanted to use dancing flame weapon uu
marsh plume
Assuming you can almost always keep it online then it's pt good yea
then sometimes you end up on the awkward scenario where you want to use a dmg button but don't have the dmg buff up
Which can happen kinda often
If you have 30% mpr off ibs + everything else that's pt good tho
stuck talon
Tbh, do ppl build mp attack/attacked even, the return seems lowish unless you stack it with mpr maybe? I assume some skills could have high refund rate
Oh you know what one of the main things is the mpr stones
Are useful in pve as well… ug
marsh plume
Mp gain build works on some characters bc of passives/stacking
f.e characters w/ projectiles
Or redheads
stuck talon
u know i thought add dmg was just a flat % of attack added to ea hit that ignore def but idk what it is now needs to test but tbh i probably just take indom will and put the rest into dmg <30
and oor can be used or not depending on if i need dmg or resist shread or flaming dancing sword
stuck talon
anyway i decided to stick with 40% add dmgs so now its just whether or not to socket my weapon for crit/mpr or dmg <30 to be more burst resistant.. currently at 36%... tbh i would actually have to play 2v2 in order to determine if it worth to drop add dmg/some maxi to try to reach 50%...
since according to ashal cmd attacks get full value from add dmgs?
but if i dropped all my add dmg sockets.. i thnk i could reach 42% dmgs <30...
empty ore
Hello Paeq, how are you feeling today
knotty kraken
im not
empty ore
Why not
knotty kraken
just how it is
stuck talon
so i take it u guys didnt socket dmg <30, i guess its too inefficient
empty ore
Heck no, were so juiced on damage these days it's a waste
Esp if you don't have 30%mpr
stuck talon
well for now i will just use those bluewhite magic stones and after some experiences i will socket my intended 40%
abstract yacht
dmg to hp below 30%? that's a waste considering these days everyone can one shot you from 100-0
if it is dmg increase when self HP below 30% that's also a waste for the exact same reason
stuck talon
well im consider to use it for 2v2 since its a bit different than 1v1
empty ore
Those stones have their uses.
Ive seen em used by NI and BQ because they get bonuses from low health
stuck talon
2v2 got u bonuses from lowhealth… aka ppls thirsty for ur killz uwu
hollow hound
What does it mean when you win and someone flag at you?
I have seen the contrary (you lose, someone flag) but this is new for me.
knotty kraken
same sentiment
they believe you did something weird to make them lose
mainly lag
arctic gulch
Can anyone teach me elesis/elboy quick >>vX>vX>vX combo
abstract yacht
It's just timing for the most part
arctic gulch
like plat sweeping
Yea you need a platform
empty ore
Despite all the changes to older characters
that component should still be the same as it was before
So an old vid like this would still work for a reference
arctic gulch
Tyy
noble barn
https://youtu.be/L7hFza8gCew?feature=shared hope u guys enjoy or can help by giving me any tips!
stuck talon
.5% mp cost decrease the max for duelist?
stuck talon
a seems like i will not be able to avoid to socket digni stones zzz
abstract yacht
given every source of MPR gets cut off to 40% (except duelist), yeah, it's bound to happen. you cannot fill 30+% without them because of the 40% cut off from every source.
stuck talon
yes i thought it was 1% ea slot which give me 30% with no extra sources so i just socket 40% dmg inc to target decease dmg rec. under 30% hps.. now i drop to 20% with 27% mpr see how it is but tbh that 20% could be a lot but i needed spam skills more dang
is k though bc i didnt socket weap yet
dull forum
a seems like i will not be able to avoid to socket digni stones zzz
what class do u play
stuck talon
currently building aps and after i will build aes
but tbh 1v1 is not so interesting to me except for training mechanics and mostly focus build for 2v2 or 3/4
which why i try to stack dmg decrease in order to not get instantly deleted when got in a bad combo
but i notice that some of those 4th path users have many strong sa options as well as superior air control which make it difficult but theres none that i wanted to play
marsh plume
the most realistic way you can get tankier is by getting higher lvl enhance on armors
then again that implies you'll spend
stuck talon
well ofcourse but that takes a while instead of deciding builds
eventually can try +11 since i think that is almost 30% more tank than 9
marsh plume
point is that no matter what you pick for being tanky
raw def is gonna always be the most effective unfortunately
stuff like <30% hp dmg taken down / dmg dealt up sound cool in paper
until you come to realize the 30% treshold is nowhere as reliable as it might seem unless you're a healing class/char
esp bc mono hit dmg buttons can easily go above that
dull forum
:gott:
abstract yacht
MN's Pen bullet casually slapping 1m DMG in a single hit
literal one shot
for <30%HP socket to work you first have to be <30% before taking the damage
if someone one shots you from above 30 to 0 then it's moot point
stuck talon
oh well i still have to climb further to vs more geared players with 50% hp dmgs in a button but ideally it will survive some extra time during <30% hps which i am experiencing in 1v1s so far most of the time i find i am under 30-50% hps during the matches
white valve
our Redhead leader
knotty kraken
hi
empty ore
mhm
empty ore
Ill validate you
knotty kraken
if you wanna spar id be down
empty ore
So ive been thinking about a budget pvp set for peeps
abstract yacht
>>zx is sadly the best ground approach command
I'm a firm >>XZ believer
vagrant jolt
pvp (out of sparring) is good? or still on who grinded harder wins?
marsh plume
Pvp will always have the gear issue
vagrant jolt
s2 wasnt like that
abstract yacht
no it still did
it just was less noticeable because gear wasn't so overbloated
+10 didn't even exist at that time.
but a +9 gear certainly impacted quite a buncj from a +6/7
especially since enhancements in PvP didn't receive balance adjustments until 2018
and sockets' max values were still based on enhancement levels
inland swallow
revive pvp unu
empty ore
@knotty kraken https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019061482949980232/1444839701927432243/image.png
So i think mod suplen has some use on the bar
This thing can hit the top plat with heavy trait
And having some verticality can help with EW's lack of range
knotty kraken
knotty kraken
the issue is i dont use skills ever
marsh plume
why
pastel creek
Rose might legitimately need no skill to play
Worst character ever designed for pvp
My Knight Emperor struggling bro 🥹🥹🥹
lavish socket
there are way worse characters dude...
abstract yacht
she certainly had really offensive hitboxes since her release so I won't disagree with badly designed for pvp
but y'know we kinda got a lot of new classes on that same page and actually are worse , so ehh... you'll get used to Rose.
empty ore
I feel like hes only talking about Minerva or Black Massacre
Which, as KE neither would be fun to play against
pastel creek
Pvp ragebait worked so well i hit the gym that day and had a nice pump
🥹
pvp is making me a stronger person
pastel creek
Using Flame Lord is like a cheat code for me
buoyant folio
inland swallow
modest pewter
empty ore
knotty kraken
back at it again with another episode of "how is paeq this bad at pvp"
empty ore
JC to Nisha
EW to be frank is an outdated character,
Her problem is that the game changed while she stayed mainly the same
knotty kraken
JC to Nisha
disgusting
lavish socket
Her problem is that the game changed while she stayed mainly the same
To be perfectly honest since the game changed PVP is almost always empty except for certain things like friends wanting to spar each other in arena
Or just dumb luck that there's 2 ppl to do 1v1
empty ore
Thats... not quite what i meant
You seem to be talking about the actual state of pvp. Like the que density.
Im talking about EW's kit. It has not changed much since release.
lavish socket
Oh my bad
empty ore
Meanwhile everyone else got stronger and stronger. And tank > reversal > Burst to win is the current status. Which she can deal with it. But she really lacks some non breakable burst.
But if you wanna talk about pvp in a nutsell rn
People got tired of KOG's lack of balancing.
lavish socket
Yeah...
empty ore
Pvp is in one of the worst states it can be in. And tbh its too late to fix.
KR is still fine, but NA is just dead except for the same 5 people.
lavish socket
Losing my three mp/s on TB is what broke the camel back for me
Like I'm pushing 30 man I can't be dealing with this anymore
empty ore
And good luck trying to do 2s if you dont have any experience.
Hot take its not that fun. Theres double the nonsense to work with.
I am 32, i feel you.
empty ore
Meh thats rare these days
im talking
Saturation bombing
Crimson Bloom does not Rot.
Everyone uses that crap these days.
lavish socket
Honestly for people who use that I always cheese them with laser rifle lol
But yeah I get it
empty ore
So what do ya do? Well nothing, you hop on and try o suck what little fun you can out of a years long investment.
Because youre reminded that you still have the game installed and
wonder how things are going
willow mural
i gave up on pvp with mod e
whatever la has
or mpx's
naw
i aint dealin w that
lavish socket
And TB's extruder getting ballooned up to a ridiculous amount
Like I don't care if that's in my best interest it's just bad balancing
lavish socket
Devi summoning giant balls skill that I forgot the name of
empty ore
Rakshasa inferno
lavish socket
Thx
willow mural
yeah mod inferno is pretty corny
solemn thicket
what you guys think is better "damage wise" on duelist gear?
Critical Damage / Physical or Magical Atk power / All Skill Damage?
@willow mural @buoyant folio
solemn thicket
i mean which one will have far more impact if my character will focus into doing the most amount of damage i could
im right now having as you said critical damage 1.5% on all, but im asking if in this case physical/mag atk power will do a overall more damage increasement than this others?
buoyant folio
Depends on which one has the higher cap honestly
It might be crit damage I'm not sure
I don't rlly play the game anymore so I'd wait for Ben's opinion
solemn thicket
@buoyant folio this are the damage difference
All Skill Damage% | Critical Damage% | Physical Attack power%
the overall damage difference is almost similar between ASD and Critical Damage and if Phy/mag would be 1.5% will be far better than this two, but since is just 1% at max then it ain't the case
empty ore
what you guys think is better "damage wise" on duelist gear?
Critical Damage / ...
Its interesting that crit damage gets a higher result that ASD
The general consensus has always been as such
Use a lot of skills? ASD
Use a good mix of commands and skills? Crit damage
willow mural
@dull forum @pastel creek < this lovely person would like ad PvP tips
modest pewter
pastel creek
Ight i will after the gym
dull forum
Bet
pastel creek
My upper body so sore
pastel creek
Wdym?
pastel creek
Im not gonna lie to you twin
I might change to BQ and just straight revive cheese everything
pastel creek
yeah that's not a bad idea gang
modest pewter
I might change to BQ and just straight revive cheese everything
BQ is really strong in 1s
pastel creek
Oh word
dull forum
I might change to BQ and just straight revive cheese everything
Ad is strongest ele
In 1¢
1s
If you know how to play her
Her advantage state is crazy
You pretty much have 2 off screen oki buttons
Red prison and vanishing
U can raw camp em off screen and wait for them to wake up and press it
If they press hyper accel or haunting to tank it
U can double down and with the time stop just press spearhead
Winning the interaction
arctic gulch
fr bro reacts faster than lightspeed
fiery lionBOT
hanselgrenore has been warned
buoyant folio
Free yourself
hardy pike
🤣
dusty pelican
abstract yacht
y a y . A couple of skills had their ruthless trait removed.
TB is probably dying for that (Both lock-on and photon shower had it removed)
no, FP's bullet blitz was not targetted
lavish socket
y a y . A couple of skills had their ruthless trait removed.
TB is probably dyin...
You do notice we can stack traits now
Lock on stratos losing its ruthless trait should be the least of your worries
Plus who was using ruthless trait on lock on stratos???
abstract yacht
yes Nuking about to go even more rampant than now
Hf with the heavy/critical skills
pastel creek
Am I tripping or does ES have almost exclusively pvp passives
arctic gulch
yes she built for pvp ong
abstract yacht
Most her passives were pvp because
well
she is an old char
half her passives however were readjusted and/or renewed (sort of) to fit more pve wise
buoyant folio
Excuses 🙄
knotty kraken
im 100000% convinced that etw is a bottom 3 character for pvp
my complete lack of being a good pilot really doesnt help either
pretty sure anyone with even half a functioning brain is capable of beating me
i dont think ive ever beaten another competent etw
abstract yacht
yes me
knotty kraken
you also have 0 gear
abstract yacht
true, but my EtW is still an EtW 
knotty kraken
better?
arctic gulch
Thats the spirit
knotty kraken
Why haven't you quit at this point dude
cant be bothered to
and ya know
what if i eventually get better
ill look stupid if i quit before then
white valve
It's also not hard when you play a privilege character like Laby
Ngl stepping don't matter
Being able to avoid those situations entirely probably better
Do you do no damage for them to not respect you
Did you feed them MP for it not to matter
Free 11 soa surely
If you do no damage I can see that
Cause they feel 0 need to actually mb you
knotty kraken
It's also not hard when you play a privilege character like Laby
whats not hard? winning?
cuz it clearly is too hard for me to understand while playing a super privileged character
willow mural
what if i eventually get better
If PvP is causing u this much stress then I would drop it 2
U sound miserable playing this
abstract yacht
tbf PvP is just misery all around
ruby sphinx
personal preference
heavy spear
pvp is miserable in just about any game
pastel creek
Just ascend to true elesiscel status
buoyant folio
ascend to getting full +13
knotty kraken
cant be bothered
knotty kraken
gl
buoyant folio
pastel creek
ascend to getting full +13
We yes WE are acsending to Galaxy rank
empty ore
Just hop off EW and go NL
trust
Nisha would love your build more
And ruthless Look! would enable you to get procs easier
knotty kraken
i hate playing other labys
modest pewter
Sorry that everyone is telling you to quit- I suggest another approach of taking the fights and the game for what it is and trying to just enjoy your time (even though it can be tough if you’re losing) and just shrugging it off. I think your mindset can make or break enjoying any aspect of a game. (I used to be a rager too) but now I just shrug it off win or lose and will queue at another time if i’m not having much fun
buoyant folio
Dude we've been giving Paeq different advise for so many years atp
At this point quitting would be the healthier option here
knotty kraken
if i quit when other people told me to idve been gone like 5 years ago
buoyant folio
knotty kraken
must be nice to have a nuke
or being able to deal any meaningful type of damage
yep still straight trash
knotty kraken
ETW is quite literally broken in PvP
maybe for someone other than me sure
im genuinely surprised at how i can keep my S rank
convinced that im straight up the worst laby
buoyant folio
lavish socket
convinced that im straight up the worst laby
I feel like your problem is that you can't predict people
Or at least you can't predict what the server is going to do to those characters
knotty kraken
yea im complete trash
the most predictable person on els
1 match is all you need to completely shut me down
its so fun playing a bottom tier character as the waste of space that i am
actually since im clearly never gonna grow or develop or learn anything
and my pve progress has been at a complete halt because im too stupid to learn how to play my class
i might as well just do what yall have always wanted of me and quit
ik yall cant even stand the sight of me here anymore
so i might as well just make it easy for everyone and leave
buoyant folio
I don't think anyone really dislikes you, but you're complaining about a mode that is absolutely broken
Imo quitting and finding something new would probably be best, since you're clearly not even enjoying PvP with how much you're pulling yourself apart over it
I'm practically on break with Elsword but I don't think I'll ever return to the game and take it seriously anymore
Not until KoG decides to actually put effort into PvP
which is clearly never happening
knotty kraken
I don't think anyone really dislikes you, but you're complaining about a mode th...
broken and i cant even take advantage of it even while playing etw
cant get better if i dont know how
or im just physically incapable of getting better
just the usual for me tho
no skill or talent
always either the best of the worst or the worst of the best
buoyant folio
Genuinely this game is not worth the emotional turmoil you're going through 😭
light vector
Go play street fighter or guilty gear or something
empty ore
GG looks fun
light vector
what is the pvp acc setup
marsh plume
wudahel
pastel creek
https://youtu.be/bFll-4vF860?si=dleDyP4cH1KBdyob
The goat?
golden tiger
I hate RV
dull forum
Who doesn't
versed knot
Who doesn't
lavish socket
Yup
light vector
Which rigo gear is best for pvp
willow mural
Which rigo gear is best for pvp
Violet but its best to just build duelist
marsh plume
Which rigo gear is best for pvp
Rigo is good but you need R21, duelist is a lot easier / practical
light vector
They give out free r21's in the new phoro
Already have a sage built so I'll use it for pvp
empty ore
Thats not how this is supposed to go.
Also they dont give ou Violet sets nor do they let you use the reforge tickets on them
You CAN use the r20 tickets from prof. pho tho.
light vector
is the new one color locked?
fiery lionBOT
r8zayin has been warned
light vector
oh damn
they exclude violet
abstract yacht
I mean she still is
she hasn't changed at all
is just we got even dumber stuff as year went on.
marsh plume
Already have a sage built so I'll use it for pvp
sage is not that great on pvp
light vector
ik
marsh plume
moreso because while it gives teamwide buffs on 2v2 it's pretty coinflippy
light vector
I want the best outa the free ones for pvp 1s
marsh plume
ah
yeah that'd be Violet
dunno what class you play but for the most part duelist is the to-go
unless you want to spend on enhancing
light vector
so +9 duelist is better then r21 +10 rigmor?
marsh plume
no, on that case rigo would be better
although you could also do 2/2 duelist 2/2 rigo
light vector
I don't wanta invest too much into pvp
so which of the prof pho tene is best for pvp
marsh plume
tene doesn't work on pvp
light vector
wait can you color change the prof pho rigmor
light vector
damn
marsh plume
a thing you can do is like
light vector
asking as everyone's gonna get a r21 rigmor with the prof pho rehash
light vector
yeah not current
marsh plume
you can get like sage vermillion cobalt and crimson
idr names
but yea either minus violet
if ur rocking a duelist i'd recommend doing like
duelist armor cube shared bank swap
bc you can get the armors +9 at lv 70 and the cube is bankshareable
you can just keep trying to +10 pieces
kind of like that
light vector
ok complete is prob unobtainable as they don't give out color change tickets
ig balance?
lavish socket
Why balance?
abstract yacht
KoG explicitly excludes PvP (Violet) from Prof Pho because the guide is meant to help you fully on PvE.
and they don't want new players picking PvP because "hehe me like" and then complain back "I don't do anything in PvE with the prof pho stuff" and then they look at it and bro picked the PvP stuff.
TL;DR they anticipated stupidity.
light vector
Why balance?
extreme is pve only I think
amplify increase mp cost
accelerate + amplify might be a wack complete but you only get pure so no
and I already have support
marsh plume
the other rigos just aren't worth it like that
maybe before accelerate before, you could justify for the MPR
but nowadays it's just not worth it
light vector
yeah but this is free
knotty kraken
duelist is also free
light vector
so +9 duelist is better then +10 non-violet rigmor ?
knotty kraken
yes
knotty kraken
command/crit/asd for first line
hp/mpr for second line
light vector
ok
knotty kraken
maybe id use my skills more if they were any good
marsh plume
so +9 duelist is better then +10 non-violet rigmor ?
if non r21
duelist is somewhat better due to specs
oh wait
non violet
then yea duelist is better bc set effects
technically EtW has like laby thunder
but that's like a situational nuke
past that she's still stuck in redhead-esque gameplan of trading over and over afaik
abstract yacht
EtW's gameplan is to constantly enforce you to mb and not let you have a second to breathe
but for that, your commands must have threatening damage
otherwise free mana into nuke 👍
knotty kraken
_but for that, your commands must have threatening damage_
they dont tho
even for me runnin oor double attack
its still pretty mild damage
dull forum
What's ur main stat value
dull forum
Yuh
pastel creek
My elesis is now insanely dripped out but is still getting
Wair
PAEQ
you're the laby that made me suffer
knotty kraken
match stat
knotty kraken
that is what it says
dull forum
whats your total double attack chance
empty ore
You're lacking alot. For reference this is my old MT with 24% double attack
warm hornet
match stat
If double attack is at least 30%~40% should be mostly doable.
dull forum
ngl
20% DA is enough
i remember when i went double attack GS/AD
20% and i was always procing
knotty kraken
had to spent a while getting ashal up to date
currently have 66.5% double attack
lmao
dull forum
abstract yacht
if I recall correctly (hopefully); double attack doesn't happen per attack, it happens on an attack - for certain [FEW] amount of frames, and every consecutive attack within that frame window will also make use of the double attack - afterwards it... has an internal cooldown? to trigger again, though very small
again, [IF] I recall correctly.
somewhere along those lines I was taught about such in 2018, memory can be blurry by this point especially when I no longer do PvP 24/7
but the reason I'm speaking that is, should what I say be true; then it just means that at certain point stacking more double attack stops making any difference
empty ore
mfw when diminishing returns
knotty kraken
the more double attack the better
higher activation chances
doesnt seem to help my dmg output any tho
empty ore
Kinda
The most I ever considered going for was like 30% tops
Because i'd lose too much damage
I'd give up my whole blue line of mystics, thats it
marsh plume
the more double attack the better
there's a point where higher = / = better
since you could be socketing something else instead
that could / will bring better results
solemn thicket
pepega
knotty kraken
halfing my chance of douvle attack for slightly more attack doesnt sound too good
marsh plume
issue is that it's also the other way around
you can get higher chances for the double attack to proc
but it doesn't mean that your dmg will increase by doing so
if you proc it, yea it's expected, but it won't make both the original hit/dbl atk hit do extra damage
knotty kraken
id say that replacing red and yellow mystics is about a 10-15% increase in damage
double attack is just a straight up x2 to my dmg when it procs
and as someone who doesnt use skills the decrease from every 2/3 hits procing to 1/3 hits doesnt sound too appealing
marsh plume
i mean yeah, no one is saying that dbl atk won't increase your dmg
it's moreso that having too much of it becomes redundant
let's say 60% dbl atk f.e, like, sure, you increase the chance for it to proc, but on the off case it doesn't you're just gonna rng the next hit also
it isn't something like a stacking probability
you'd be hoping for the 60% chance to hit flat
and if you take off a bit of that, while yes, it slightly decreases your chances of a dbl atk hit proc
it also helps your overall damage
and you could just replace the mystic/socket/acc/costume suit for something else that might have higher value on the same or a different area
dull forum
doesnt seem to help my dmg output any tho
Your biggest damage drop is the fact you gotta wait for oor to proc
Ngl
knotty kraken
Your biggest damage drop is the fact you gotta wait for oor to proc
yea i could change off oor but id need to socket like 60% crit to hit 100% then
empty ore
https://youtube.com/shorts/13YnAxtTZIE?si=C3o41w5HIa5ZbgQz
Thats hilarous
that suck is so strong
knotty kraken
maybe i should learn how to play etw as well
arctic gulch
Is there any chance they revert the rushing sword trait change 
abstract yacht
marsh plume
gg
empty ore
One thing ive also realized
is that a VoS simply doesnt cut it
Maybe if everyone else was
But its just not threatening damage to most
pastel creek
ElesisGPT is giving me the method
This is a ElesisGPT approved combo
Dash Z → Z Z X → Blood Hit → Dash Cancel → Z Z → Blood Cutter
versed knot
is that a VoS simply doesnt cut it
Idk I'm still doing fine on an s4 11
empty ore
Idk I'm still doing fine on an s4 11
I see you bol. but PB is just strong
I want my commands to be disgusting.
Also, ive been thinking about about an improvement to the mana break system.
For now we'll call it mana blocking. Z would be a regular mana break hold. While X changes to blocking.
Mana Blocking would work something like this:
-Press the X key on the frame hits to reduce damage.
-Reduces 50-70% of the damage received.
- When successfully blocked, MP is taken depending on the skill tier.
30 mp for commands/actives
60 for tenacities.
120 for strengths.
160mp for braveries.
-You do not KD if you mana block.
versed knot
I want my commands to be disgusting.
Ah dang I gotchu, I remember hitting 30 40k per z when I was on etw
versed knot
Oh odd, I remember seeing lucy doing the same but I cant remember what wep he has
empty ore
Hes SoA
arctic gulch
Do I specialize blaze wing or ignis crusher
lavish socket
Do I specialize blaze wing or ignis crusher
so should you stack a homing skill or a burst skill?
well if you wanna kill even faster then ignis crusher
willow mural
Do I specialize blaze wing or ignis crusher
Ignis cuz they killed wing
I stacked infernal but idk how viable that is now
U can reach MPR pretty easy now tho
arctic gulch
whatd they do to it?
willow mural
They just really nerfed the dmg a couple years back
buoyant folio
wat
viral quest
wat does a pvpset look like nowadays
empty ore
wat does a pvpset look like nowadays
Heres mine,
Equipment:
4/5 Duelist
IB costume:
5/5 7W
viral quest
Heres mine,
ty arkie, mind showing stats too?
empty ore
Mp cost is one of the most important stats these days
30-35% is ideal
Whats great about now is the IB slots
So people have a lot of flexiblity on what they can wear
without messing up the main accs
Wander Marchen with its 1% MP/s mirror
Crescent Lullaby with its insane proc damage
Some ib accs give flat mpr 5% too
Vita fontana
Erebus
Aether nobilitas
Also that WIP 2v2 guide
empty ore
Crescent lullaby can
Its why i got it for Aisha
Its rerun is coming up soon. and im gonna get it for laby too
light vector
Heres mine,
Few questions:
Why abyss weapon guard over rosso? I figured there's enough all resistance reduction to make rosso better
Is soul crown's 5% damage better then the movement speed and damage reduction from the bott acc?
empty ore
Abyss over rosso is your preference. Abyss gives more ASD. Rosso gives more shred
As for your second part I'm not sure I understand
Is soul crown better than undying flame?
They are two different slots
Undying flames main purpose is to kill res cheesers
Soul crown is just a damage buff with no downsides unlike dvc
If I had maestro halo I'd just wear that
light vector
Is soul crown better than undying flame?
I'm asking if soul crown is better then Swirling Phantasma
You can get the pvp acc 3/3 by replacing either of them and Swirling Phantasma's buff seems useful
Though if damage is more important I'll swap to soul crown
empty ore
Meh, unless your strapped for move/jump.
light vector
Alr
empty ore
But yeah that crown slot is most important
You don't have to use champ accs tho
But that knockdown increase can change games
Personally in 1v1 I'd rather use undying because again
Res cheese
Game is over then and you're not chasing down some runner with 1hp
light vector
Ok
dull forum
Do I specialize blaze wing or ignis crusher
crusher
dull forum
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CiEQ9bCb5Exj3nfoDVSQ6TlHROklhSQgZlBXbPtPfb0/...
wait who made this
empty ore
HellowHoops
dull forum
I'm doing the elboy section of that guide
If any of y'all can give me feedback on it it would be appreciated
light vector
How do you get double attack
warm hornet
How do you get double attack
Mystic stone enchantment.
Or blue specializing on spar weapon.
light vector
Ok that's gonna be "when I get my udw"
worthy ravine
Ok that's gonna be "when I get my udw"
just put it on foj
warm hornet
Double attack hits as hard as an +11 ~ +12 SOA if it procs (on FoJ/VoS).
warm hornet
That works.
pastel creek
How do you get double attack
R u Zayin
pastel creek
Ye
pastel creek
Know anything I could improve on?
I dont play ain unfortunately
Im not the best to critique for gear
Ill take a look at your gear later
empty ore
Ok that's gonna be "when I get my udw"
Udw does not work in pvp.
light vector
So I can convert my current SoA to a pvp weapon
pastel creek
Udw does not work in pvp.
Lol why
empty ore
They hate you and don't want to be broken
abstract yacht
Lol why
game forbids you to enter PvP while wearing it.
same case goes for Tene and Exa armor.
pastel creek
Vestiges
arctic gulch
very nice, though I noticed no rushing sword in recommended skill tree? and also I can only see ES guide, are the others there yet?
dull forum
very nice, though I noticed no rushing sword in recommended skill tree? and also...
Not yet
I'm finishing elboys
First
So far I've done ke rm im
arctic gulch
mhm waiting for em, more in depth than I expected, gj!
lavish socket
yea just parry it LMAO
golden tiger
empty ore
Wth
pastel creek
Theres a hacker tearing it up rn lol
abstract yacht
hacking on CA
l m a o
versed knot
Pretty much it's just seii me and another regularly pvp, I can just hook you up with em if you want
@potent abyss hi seii
empty ore
Bro was playing on hard mode
arctic gulch
TP
pastel creek
MaP, FP, All the Lithias
arctic gulch
whats ur ign
pastel creek
I found u
arctic gulch
yes u have
arctic gulch
well, youre an mpx.
pastel creek
Bro is the evil they speak of
Not Bloody Queen tho
3 revives with title is totally not broken
light vector
Bluhen has no cheese
arctic gulch
3 revives with title is totally not broken
2, and the 2nd is useless
light vector
Gotta test
pastel creek
Bluhen has no cheese
You need to jc
light vector
I need to make a new character so I don't have to blow billsions of ed on a erp page
fiery lionBOT
hanselgrenore has been warned
pastel creek
maybe i should give another to my son KE
light vector
I see them on the board
pastel creek
Zayin
Did you finish
Ur quests
I can complete them with u after we finish class
Serpintum is tuff for me tho
dull forum
Which characters do u guys think
LEMME DROP U A QUICK LIST
arctic gulch
please get Galatine 😭 🙏
dull forum
dull forum
she's strong trust
abstract yacht
light vector
Is crit damage or atk power better for a skill-based build
dull forum
Is crit damage or atk power better for a skill-based build
crit dmg
is good
what class u playin
light vector
Bluhen
Thinking that his fullscreen mod-e could reach oneshot potental
It doesn't?
Rip
Or atleast damage nuke enough
dull forum
ye
light vector
Other then here I'm not in any pvp circles
light vector
Yeah bluhen's x is really good too
If I decided to make a pure pvp bluhen it'll be focused 100% on that
empty ore
Thinking that his fullscreen mod-e could reach oneshot potental
Satz Aurora is about to get heavy trait. That will be the new stavk
knotty kraken
i assume this is for 2s?
marsh plume
<@580403556113186817>
You do crit dmg for overall increases
since BL Xs have good base dmg yea
marsh plume
oop
marsh plume
Thinking that his fullscreen mod-e could reach oneshot potental
Feierlich feels like it'd do a lot of dmg visually, and to a degree it does dmg
But once it goes from theory to practice it's ability to nuke someone is reliant on your gear vs their gear
Each pillar does 1236% assuming full hits, if you hit 2 pillars then x2 (2472%~)
even better if you account for red Eid / heavy trait amping the skill all the way to big numbers if you hit 2 pillars (potentially 4000%+ depending on awk stage)
The issue comes from the fact that it isn't practical
fiery lionBOT
eli__. has been warned
marsh plume
Oop
Once you get a lead you'll want to buff up, since BL's only dmg passive is Noble Pledge and the universal +3%~ m.atk
Which wastes mp alr
If you end up on a situation where you need to get out, you're forced to use elfe or erst bohren, both of which are tenacities
tl;dr the transition from early match into popping the dmg button is just not that great
Feierlich can be mb'd or clocked since it has no heavy hitstun and is really expensive
Satz aurora after buffs works because it's a single hit so you'll almost always hit full dmg and be done w/ it
Mod E isn't as flexible
Another alternative would be mod diamant since it's probably the best mp cost-dmg ratio dmg button BL has
due to being a tenacity
light vector
I see
marsh plume
If you want to focus only on skills then asd is better than crit dmg
If you want your dmg to be somewhat half-half/balanced crit dmg is better
BL is good once he gets going but getting into track can be difficult due a lot of classes being able to escape>awk>nuke
marsh plume
Tenacity is the safest, yea
Once satz buff hits you can swap over
Though bringing stuff like vertieidi/blume/angriff is still important imo
blume is the strongest skill you have in terms of utility
It also has relatively low cost once you heal+refunds
light vector
Ig my biggest problem atm is that I don't have enough mpr as I rarely hit enough for braveries
Even when letting myself get combo'ed/getting a big combo
light vector
not down no
marsh plume
echo licht is somewhat better but ruhig is optimal for mp economy
ya
Ideally you want to loop it over the other variants
arrow up X is good too but it's feedy
left/right X is good also but it's kd is somewhat worse for no reason
Does people fall/knockdown often when you're doing a combo?
Or do you manage to force them to mana break ?
light vector
mainly kd I think
though when I get a good one I can force a break
marsh plume
Ya
For that you probably want to play around your X's
Let's say, for example, you do the freeze orb variant and just throw ruhig in between
It'll inevitably KD
And on the other hand, you time your hits, using xxx only in between for ruhig CD
like xxx↓x xxx↓x ruhig xxx (wait/reposition yourself so ruhig can hit both the static+projectile)
for example
light vector
I've been using Verschmelzen for my active for some reason
marsh plume
you lose out on a bit of dmg but managing KD becomes way easier
verschmelzen is great
light vector
this is my current pvp skillbar
marsh plume
but the meta changed over time and w/ a lot of classes having cheaper dmg buttons
right
num 7 isn't something i'd take imo
each hit feeds mp even though it's a hitstunless aoe
light vector
ok
marsh plume
i say that because it has a lot of hits
Let's say f.e
each hits feeds 7 mp
7 * amount of hits the skill has
let's say 20
it'll feed 140 mp to the other person
if it has 30, that's 210 mp fed
light vector
damn
ig I used it a lot for the speed boost at times so not all hits connect
but still prob not worth it
marsh plume
how much speed do you have rn?
marsh plume
106?
golden tiger
I hate myself
empty ore
If you dont have the renas in collection now would be a good time to do Daybreaker
Otherwise waste a slot and sage some movement and jump
knotty kraken
if ur overcapped or can afford to drop some aspd then theres a shining dual store with all spd
potent abyss
<@409942969697697803> hi seii
hihi
versed knot
LOL this is my first time turning on my comp in a few days forgive me
Whoa dun even have discord on phone is pretty wildin
marsh plume
Quickness stones r nearly nonexistent but they r usually the better oned
hushed sand
If you want your dmg to be somewhat half-half/balanced crit dmg is better
I'd say going cr.dmg on any ain these days is a waste with how the pvp meta is, his commands will never do enough to try to attempt to make them do damage
best to just focus on doing the most with his skills
fiery lionBOT
eli__. has been warned
marsh plume
oops
yeah, my issue stems from the fact that having mildly low-end gear can lead to getting tanked off commands into escape+awk+nuke
the other 3 Ains have skills that have high enough output to make up for it
BL has utility but feierlich isn't rly that great
diamant is good, but it's more of a filler until satz buff hits either way
so on BL you'll find yourself x'ing people most of the time, this is assuming the context of not having high-end gear
viral quest
so on BL you'll find yourself x'ing people most of the time, this is assuming th...
eli...
empty ore
Everyone was shocked and apalled by this development
buoyant folio
Carry their player
I'm like a decade late but at this point it's every class to an extent lool
Game's balancing is literal dogwater
pastel creek
Akarii the true elesi whale
buoyant folio
I don't
marsh plume
mr professor, is 2/2 duelist rigo worth using if the rigo isnt +11
Technically yes if higher enhance
lavish socket
You don't
In my personal opinion you're looking at a bygone era
The only people who take PVP seriously now are only playing 2v2 or they're just nuking everything with one button
versed knot
The good times
heavy spear
i never liked 2s so there's nothing left for me in this game lol
buoyant folio
advertise quitting this game to more ppl