u can do whichever
#pvp
dull forum
FS title
dstats
@full yoke
thats with what u currently have
just gotta minmax the stats
full yoke
I don't have invite and it's hard to get no ?
Freed soul I need to do abyss to get it pernament
Why SD visor ? And the flower ?
Also no crown ?
And why is there a pet ?
@dull forum
Secondly is ereda even alive ? I don't think I'll spend 500 mil for 2 pieces twice
dull forum
so
sd visor is mp reader cuz the website dont got one
vinecronw is better than soulcrown
u can ask for ereda ptys
and the pet u can jstremove it or nto countit
dull forum
artifact spirit stone
dull forum
kindred frost
sometime finally brought it to my attention
I really was out here element-less
is half and half wind and water still good
mystic elbow
Yea
buoyant folio
Yeah
abstract yacht
sometime finally brought it to my attention
reminds me of someone who whispered me while I was on my CeT "dude, void is useless now, nice 7w but you need better gear"
and I'm like "sire, I'm only doing PvP weeklies and this isn't even my main"
clever sigil
sometime finally brought it to my attention
From juggernaunt to Unstoppable force of nature with a Few clicks and some ED
full yoke
anyone up to pvp |?
@dull forum so aside from corwn and mp reader there is nothing else? and ignite
full yoke
its tamakhan seal good for pvp
and does it get normalized?
also isnt soul crown the same expect the awaken charge speed?
also how much damage reduce to keep
and instead of undying flame is electrum fiel better ?
1 % hp per 20 sec on attack
also how i use drain ?
marsh plume
giants 2% 1 level
full yoke
oh
marsh plume
depends
marsh plume
and instead of undying flame is electrum fiel better ?
undying flame works for classes that can res
or people with res titles
like eclipse / AN
FS
since some classes can cheese a win / win off 1 hp or heal after the res
main example being eve
who'll die, get res'd by eclipse or freed shadow
press the v key into 5% hp
and run away for resources if she died on awk
full yoke
or nova if hes not awakened
full yoke
isee
marsh plume
die and res a 2nd time
marsh plume
yeah
depends
there are many factors
such as your gear
the other person's gear
stats
classes
most classes can just nuke your hp for the cost of 150 mp
some need a bit more (210)
full yoke
yeah
marsh plume
wait does this channel not allow gifs
im sad
anyway
drain is based off the other person's current % hp
full yoke
that guy one shot me no damage tittle
marsh plume
so f.e if you drain someone at 100% hp
full yoke
ik that but some ppl pass it thoguht the white barrier
marsh plume
you'll drain the x% of whatever your grade drain is
and the less hp the other person has the less you'll benefit from it
full yoke
gotcha
marsh plume
think of it like
full yoke
so i just died to lk master class
marsh plume
their current hp * 9/12.5/15%
full yoke
most damage was commands...
marsh plume
yeah
Redheads system allows them to have more dmg on certain commands or have more nat mp
mpr
etc
marsh plume
its tamakhan seal good for pvp
this is can be good but also not really worth it
unless ur willing to commit to a full defense build
full yoke
true
marsh plume
also isnt soul crown the same expect the awaken charge speed?
by this you mean
marsh plume
soul crown vs demonic vine crown?
yeah
redheads have usually high %s on commands or stuff that boosts their commands
marsh plume
so double attack means you'll die faster
dvc reduces your awk time
but increases your awk charge by a lot
white valve
the maths are different
dvc is multiplicative and soul crown is additive
dvc is more damage
marsh plume
that also
most chars want dvc for the dmg
SC hass less dmg but allows more uptime on your awk, or some classes want it due to their system (add)
white valve
cause the game deemed it so
full yoke
because -5% less start then 10 % buff?
white valve
been tested years ago
white valve
its not affected in stats its affected in gameplay
the damage difference does exist
and dvc is higher
its slightly higher but it is higher
white valve
you dont
unless want to see the math that the community found
will not see it in game math otherwise
full yoke
i mean the community althought i tried onto free training
wth
burst did 10 mil on arena stats
bacame 11
marsh plume
your dmg may vary
if you have 100% maximize or not
or if you use imprints
passives that are proc reliant
full yoke
true
i have like 70 and 20 % passives
dvc did like 1-2 mil difrnecce
@white valve @marsh plume what do i use for yellow
level or %
% better iheard
this is for gabe that ask me
asked*
full yoke
oki
full yoke
ty
dull forum
Regarding your collection
All 4 Renas, ara first 3, eve 1st and 3rd,laby 4th maxed out and 2nd maxed out
Those are like
Most important
Tp gives you mp cost ras is raw % attack aras are defenses, Renas hp and speed stats, eve same raw attack %
full yoke
i need to do 3rd jobs and master class for lots of things but yeah
full yoke
i think igot squishier
since i droepd to 35
red damage
ithink ineed to stack hp reso and def
somehow
dull forum
since i droepd to 35
I mentioned you only needed 40
You had like 43%
Iirc
That's like
3-4 sage sockets
If you get an artifact armor with double red damage
You have more room for socketing
full yoke
isee
full yoke
Isee Welp I'll get it back I am like 35 to 9
dull forum
Ok
celest ore
not chilly again 😭
empty ore
Get yo chili up
hearty kite
???
abstract yacht
where can isee the map
#elsword-chat message
#elsword-chat message
[edited to redirect to a more clear comment]
lavish socket
Need someone to practice.
in 1s or 2s?
cuz its very simple one of them is just who gets there nuke first and the other is who can stop the enemy from nuking until u have ur nuke
hearty kite
I dont have any vods
warm hornet
Need someone to practice.
i don't know if you wanna practice with me, i'm a whole different fight. XD
hollow hound
i don't know if you wanna practice with me, i'm a whole different fight. XD
Idk what you mean with that.
hollow hound
in 1s or 2s?
Mostly 2s.
kindred frost
The mona chrome excuses timeline
- "okay so I didnt have soa all this time so any losses I had didnt count cause I didnt have soa"
- "okay I didnt have widescreen so those loses didnt count cause I didnt have widescreen"
- "okay I was sick so any loses didnt count cause I was immuno compromised"
- "okay apparently my soa didnt have an attribute so those losses didnt count cause I going in there bare"
(jokes)
warm hornet
i'm happy with my +11 VOS command damage build.
full yoke
no wonder ppl are tanky
aras give DEEFNDS WHICH IDONT HAVE
@dull forum
anyone knows if they get 40 % on pvp?
or if synergy works
i supose it does cause of intrstual movement
dull forum
It works
warm hornet
Illusion Stinger Mod for CE is garbage....
XD
average 3~4 hits sweet spot.
374% multi hit in PvP (normal scaling).
best it can do is or 1122%~1491%. (200 mana)
modded tesla flare can do 1170% in comparison... (100 mana)
bruh...
and the next two weeks, they'll going to change the "empower trait" to a "heavy trait"....
that's not going to help it much...
even in PvE....
ether buff one of the following:
at least double it's base numbers.
at least double the damage tic rate (make it do more hits).
or make the final hit do at least 5 times the multi hit value.
the skill isn't just a "below average" strength skill, it's just bad... and beyond niche...
don't let these numbers fool to you!
you'll be doing massively less damage than what elwiki is showing you in actuallity.
warm hornet
i might...
and the fact that it "can" double cast with oberon, the damage output won't be much of a difference...
hollow hound
MEB stonks.
river harness
CE DLG mod feels so good to use
hollow hound
For big bosses? Yeahhh.
warm hornet
just to clarify.... a little stronger than tesla flare (modded).
and yes... i'm pretty tilted on how weak this hell of a mod skill it is...
abstract yacht
don't let these numbers fool to you!
the numbers don't say average so I mean by default that implies this is max value, which
that's ofc not reachable in PvP
hollow hound
It's so bad.
They should have made it like [Mod] Double Slash.
Or something like that.
fiery lionBOT
umbra_oracle has been warned
kindred frost
Oh oops this is the elsword serve
All my mod does is temporarily stun them and force mb
Other than that it feeds mp to give them to beat my butt 
Situational, mod stinger is definitely good for like the end of a match and one op is running with low hp
Other than that it’s not good for much else since it feeds so much
Ah well it was fun to use it last night
marsh plume
empty ore
Damn what we do
oblique sundial
Everything.
full yoke
burn !
haughty sedge
Damn what we do
more than what LP did on release
hollow hound
@mystic elbow Someone said that Cent is "horribly bad" in pvp. What do you think about that?
Sorry for the ping, though.
hollow hound
Hmmm, talking about that... Who do you think are the worst characters for pvp? Like they don't have a lot of tools to deal with the rest of the characters and/or need a lot of skill to play with them.
mystic elbow
Overmind
n there's no one on a tier as low as Overmind so thats about it
he just doesn't have the tools to compete with everyone else
no booms, no SA commands cept the 4 second SA button he has
all he rly has is a nuke
which is bare minimum for a character
hollow hound
I can easily break out from his nuke. XD
mystic elbow
yea his nuke is nothing crazy
if he happens to hit u with it
then yea youll most likely die
but other than that it's not a crazy nuke to have
- its a bravery while everyone else runs around with strength n tenacity
active for cata
hollow hound
Wait, isn't Cata the one that has an active that can actually almost (or entirely) oneshot you?
mystic elbow
Yeh
dull forum
<@332371320614420504> Someone said that Cent is "horribly bad" in pvp. What do y...
skdvnd fjvdf
lol
full yoke
Uh wait cent is not top 10? Then who is ?
marsh plume
i mean
top 5 is something along the lines of
wait nvm
we're in the middle of new skills
everything is messy
@full yoke don't trust sm1 saying top 10 this top 10 that
full yoke
Oki?
marsh plume
just know that there's at least 25 classes on the top 10 depending on who you ask
mystic elbow
❓
mm anyways imo MtM, Oz, CA,CS, BlM, MN, the Labys, and HR are all above Cent
GS
forgot about him
and Dominator actually
full yoke
Oh I see
What I hate most is cent and Oz
Also all 4th paths that have spam le super armor
Also the add that reduces MP gain and spams dsrk
mystic elbow
im sure you're talking about a specific add player that does that cuz there's only rly 1 who does
mystic elbow
they still do that?
marsh plume
I've seen ppl spam him cause of dark fire -70mp 4 sec secs
are you
using element resist
on ur artifacts
or no
abstract yacht
due to the raw dmg output
I am
not gonna lie
every DB I've fought have felt like they slap like noodles
ofc, they have their one shot button
but prior using their nuke; they never feel threatening..
like
the cmds look so sad
mystic elbow
Yea i dont find DB that threatening
Maybe its bc I play a char who’s threatening at any mp dmg wise
full yoke
@marsh plume No also I don't have ara or a PvP page so it's anoying
So it's like 5 mp sec burn 70% no reduce + per rpoc of dark ...
mystic elbow
Dang who’s struggling with DB so much they put him over Cent
full yoke
Also they are titles that reduce resistance
mystic elbow
😞
mystic elbow
I was replying to Miyako
mystic elbow
Nps
cyan pine
DB is literally deal as much damage as possible before they catch you or awaken spam catch cause haha imagine losing at character select screen
cannot tell you how many times ive lost because every character can awaken now
but good news the new void breaker is DB's new pvp one shot
cannot be clocked like conq now
so DB's are back up in terms of one shotting again with no counter
cheaper too since it's a strength skill
cyan pine
DB is literally deal as much damage as possible before they catch you or awaken ...
also unlike every single meta pick today DB has two iron body commands that take 3 seconds each to even let the iron body proc and it doesnt last as long as most meta iron body spammers have currently aka Infinites looking at you GS RV CA
abstract yacht
well, FP didn't quite get another nuke button, which I say good
However,
88k Scare chase while on a very oriented double-attack build seems interesting
so on an actual dmg set up... maybe that can hit for a decent value for what is essentially a decently big hitscan around him for the cost of a tenacity
and for 2s I suppose it's a plus that it does splash dmg
dull forum
well, FP didn't quite get another nuke button, which I say good
However,
yk that
guy has unnoptimal stats
fully dmg 11 soa which is average
thats like 200k easily
for a 60mp tenacity is crazy
abstract yacht
so on an actual dmg set up... maybe that can hit for a decent value for what is ...
ye that's why I said this
marsh plume
mod acceldama is a nuke..
abstract yacht
mod acceldama is a nuke..
can be mana broken right away.
I much would rather slap unmod BP before that.
dull forum
Bro u got bullet blitz
Just bullet blitz into nuke
☠️
Or wait for them to be on sa
That's just disingenuous
It's like saying SWORDFALL can be manabroken
Sure after you ate all the damage
abstract yacht
.. mod acel can be mana broken in the very first 5 hits, which is hardly any dmg...
it's very quick and easy to mb it
and I knew bullet blitz would've been used as an argument
but looking at it mana wise I would rather much use scare chase if that's the case considering it's insta hitscan and far cheaper with a very sizeable damage
mystic elbow
Dang spell thunder can be mana broken
Does that mean I can convince ppl its a bad nuke
abstract yacht
Except Spell thunder can do at least half its dmg before the mana break pushes through
with mod acel, you have the first hit of it allowing mana break by the time the bullets return back at the opponent.
difference is intervals of hits before a mana break
Like ofc mana breaking spell thunder ain't the same as mana breaking smth like say, Laby thunder
Laby thunder also does insane dmg, but
the absolute garbage of length it takes to even fully deal it
dull forum
A yes instead of eating the full 80-100% I ate 60% of my hp on from the laby that can set play me right after the manabreak
🗣️
abstract yacht
... ? if you mana break laby thunder she's not getting you right after getting up, if she uses 0 SP for the shorter version so that she's able to catch you right after; then she's not dealing any meaningful dmg and a waste of 140 mp that would've rather been tossed onto throwing you mystique, oi and smash for groggy which unironically would let her do more dmg to you because her cmds hit harder for the exact same cost of MP
Spell thunder on the other hand you still take a good chunk before the mana break unless pre-mb'd
like, that's the point of the comparison
one deals most of its hits before it let's you mb
the other two cases don't really hit a lot by the time it's mana broken
mystic elbow
Hes saying tht if he manabreaks laby thunder he still took a good chunk of dmg > lost at least 100 mp and laby is still gonna be able to recatch him after he gets up
Unless u pre break either youre still taking a chunk of dmg from any of these nukes
mystic elbow
Except Spell thunder can do at least half its dmg before the mana break pushes t...
N this is untrue. Unless I am strategically using it ppl mb this rather quickly
Thats y i only use thunder as a boom or while theyre in SA cuz then ikk theyre taking dmg from it
abstract yacht
able to mb by the 4th hit
900% dmg
... wow that's a lot of dmg
that's like.. what, 10% of HP [at most]
while mystique slaps almost the same value for like, 45 MP because KoG thought giving light traits to EtW's tenacities was a good idea
mystic elbow
Uh no from what ive seen out a geared etw
Ppl r typically losing way more
Than 10% before they mb
abstract yacht
in doubles considering the splash dmg, sure I'll understand
1s though, nah.
mystic elbow
By that logic then spell thunder is indeed a bad nuke
Bc the same is happening 💀
But Shakti isnt recatching u as easily as Laby is after using thunder
Laby just uses inner aurora whats Shakti using? Not a damn thing cuz she has no booms besides thunder!
abstract yacht
the dmg spell thunder causes [BEFORE IT CAN BE MB'd] is a lot more than what Laby thunder can land before mb is allowed
By "before it can be mb'd" and "before mb is allowed" is under the context of not pre-mb'ing, but starting to mana break by the time the skill is pressed
mana breaking has a certain speed to it
in the time holding Z reaches 0 to 100 MP
Spell Thunder has done at least half of the possible dmg, which is still a lot
Laby Thunder can be, with the same scenario; mana broken from the first 5 hits
because it doesn't deal so much quick hits as spell thunder does, most of its hits are placed at the middle and end section of the skill, the initial part is only a handful of hits that can be mb'd right off the bat
like if the point is how much can you gain for the usage of it, I would agree, Laby and FP can get away with more cuz they got better tools to zone out than shakti ever does
I don't disagree there
But it was about nuking, and LT does not do many hits by the time mb happens, as opposed to spell thunder
the same goes for FP's acel; it not doing much hits by the time it can be mb and if you were looking to nuke smn off, even deadly shot would be a better option
mystic elbow
Imma just come back to this bc ppl mb instantly if i use spell thunder mid combo the way laby thunder would be used
abstract yacht
yeah, that's pre-mb'ing
absolutely nothing that can be mana broken will deal any meaningful dmg if it's pre-mb, that's not a debate, that's easily a mana break before hitcounts go any higher than 4
no skill is doing anything if pre-mb'd
but that's also why I said md By "before it can be mb'd" and "before mb is allowed" is under the context of not pre-mb'ing, but starting to mana break by the time the skill is pressed
mystic elbow
Thats not what i mean
I mean they charge up mb just as fast
I can stop ppl from manabreaking mid combo with mod mana drain then use thunder and theyll still mb it fast
N im pretty sure laby can do the same with her awk unless thats gone now too
abstract yacht
.
because they still have time to pre-mb some amount, the gap between mana drain hit and your endlag is sufficient to charge at least 25%
cyan pine
ngl i still feel like i lose 30% hp before i mb getting hit with thunder
mystic elbow
And i still feel like i lose 30% before mbing laby thunder 😭
mystic elbow
.
because they still have time to pre-mb some amount, the gap between mana drain...
And even if this is true that means youre also telling me theres not many times where im using thunder and its not getting pre broken
So how is that better than anything laby thunder
marsh plume
many nukes can be pre or partially pre broken
let us not forget that he has both mod SC or ace as a choice
(both are mapwide auto tracking)
dull forum
If ur nuke is not a one hit it can be prebroken
Simple as that
I'm js like mod ac
Has a REVERSED TRAIT
ur telling me u mind paying pennies on the dollar
Even if they can break
mystic elbow
Youre basically telling me that Id have to use spell thunder in such a specific way just so it gets more hits in than laby thunder
dull forum
Specially on broken ahh intense showtime
mystic elbow
Bc any other way its getting prebroke before it gets any hits in unless I use it the way ive been using it
dull forum
let us not forget that he has both mod SC or ace as a choice
Bro
I just did the math and
That skill is essentially 140mp
Assuming u run reversed
Bro is running a strength bravery
abstract yacht
Specially on broken ahh intense showtime
I love how intense showtime is still seen as broken in PvP when it's only 12% MPR
when... other classes have 10% MPR for passives too for PvP
some even by system alone
abstract yacht
(both are mapwide auto tracking)
I mean as much range as it may have, nobody would be insane enough to toss mod ace from the other side of the map, since that means they can hear your action and not be disturbed by delay to go for a countermeasure
mod ace has to be used near opponents ironically to get most of it, though if you're close, again can also just go for scare chase/deadly shot and get dmg done for unmbable high dmg for a much lesser MP cost
I genuinely not see a reason to mod Ace if it can be easily be broken out before it does any meaningful damage;
while the class has 3 other buttons that can actually guarantee nuke with safety? which, also "track" (hitscan really but- tomato to-ma-to)
mystic elbow
Having any mpr is broken ..
abstract yacht
and a good portion of other classes also have it
MP
Aishas
Redheads
Ain
iirc some Eves do too I don't remember who
mystic elbow
Yea
abstract yacht
like it's not exactly something special
mystic elbow
All broken!
Bc MPR is a broken stat
So yes its broken to have it
😭
Ik for sure that CS and CA have mpr passives
abstract yacht
like here's the my thing with mod ace
... you have mod BP existing for 7 years now
even after nerfs, mod BP can still do similar dmg to mod Ace, the only reason it's bad is because in the off-case you don't kill someone because better gear or FS happens
you end up feeding MP to the opponent and that is a flip against you
the only thing mod Ace has over mod BP is it doesn't feed as much in the off-case you don't kill with it either
but you can completely disengage from mod Ace before it can do its big dmg (like you can even clock it) whereas mod BP you are just , forced to eat it if you didn't iframe predict it
and again deadly shot and scare chase if you want to deal big, non-mp feeding, unmbable, guaranteed damage for absolute cheap cost
like what is Scare chase mp cost if you have capped mpr... uhh.. 120mp..
68 MP
better to use than aceldama
in every way
like I'm not saying mod ace doesn't have damage, it's just highly unreliable, so much you need to consider pairing it with bb
like at least unmod BP only requires aiming shot for set up, an active, extra 10 MP, no biggies
but another tenacity on top of it in order to hit hard?
just slap scare chase instead at that point
dull forum
I love how intense showtime is still seen as broken in PvP when it's only 12% MP...
Bro saying only 12% mpr is some privilege ngl, some classes just raw don't have mpr passives
Let's go guys my 5% vitality mp cost goes crazy 
Yk who got the broken ones
The ones thate are just raw 20%
Unfiltered cuz they are conditional
abstract yacht
yes conditional..
looks at Oz
very big conditions that it's basically permanent
TB getting 10% for simply entering overstrike on top of passive MP regeneration...
abstract yacht
I'm so used to nukes having big ranges that a point blank nuke amuses me
kindred frost
Elsword PvP energy
twin pawn
balanced
cyan pine
cannot wait for 1st path and 2nd path mod skills
i feel like they dont even balance for pvp anymore
with how big some of the hitboxes are
mystic elbow
Uh yea thats broken
abstract yacht
i feel like they dont even balance for pvp anymore
feel, no
outright.
not an ounce of PvP relation since reboot
most was duelist armor and thats it
dull forum
Wait I thought it was breakable within the first 5 hits :o
That's pretty much instant
pallid parcel
hollow hound
Thank God I don't do pvp anymore.
white valve
you really need to save your clock and esc skill for the nukes these days
quiet halo
Thank God I don't do pvp anymore.
this is about to be me im so tired of elsword PVP
buoyant folio
Change that into Tired of Elsword fr
kindred frost
https://www.twitch.tv/mona_e_chrome/clip/AggressiveInspiringRutabagaResidentSleeper-7TTTdsuNe_xU8Zh9
oblique sundial
good thing i havent logged on in months
quiet halo
anyone got a pvp tier list?
twin pawn
every laby is broken idk what to tell you
clever sigil
the tier list is whoever one shots first
ngl, thought you'd put RH and Rv there.
clever sigil
also, Keyboard check. Hows the Keychron, @kindred frost
twin pawn
ngl, thought you'd put RH and Rv there.
id put rv over rh
clever sigil
id put rv over rh
is it the OP neutrals?
twin pawn
yes and hes just annoying bc of a better shadow step
kindred frost
also, Keyboard check. Hows the Keychron, <@972530320521969735>
It’s still good
haughty sedge
a tierlist for els pvp is a nightmare tbh
i guess we'd have to measure characters with no armor, erp, or titles
but regardless, (most)4th paths, cs, ca, and all laby's are pretty much at the top tier
warm hornet
and CE is nearly trash tier.
Neutral is rough/bad
Disadvantage is bad
Advantage is "ok".
and then the matchup vs other characters is mostly just even or bad.
and don't forget the fact that CE is still glorified gear check
and using summons in PvP is very polarizing.
then she has her average/high knockdown rate on her commands.
hollow hound
Yep.
hollow hound
and using summons in PvP is very polarizing.
CE is so good at supporting, that she can give mana gain to the opponents easily! 😂
Almost every command/combos she has, give opponents a lot of mp! So good supp char!
🙏
warm hornet
i'm very sure... other characters can do much better supporting in 2v2's compaired to CE.
if anything, CE's best tools for "supporting" is only oberon guard and spitfire modded.
oberon guard only last 3 seconds and it's usefullness can be negated with skill trades.
spitfire mod is not much of a "cheap" black hole and can give a fair amount of mana to the receiving opponents. strong suction, but a not so long duration.
and practically almost all of CE's skill doesn't really gain much mana on successful hits other than heavens first sweeper...
oblique sundial
1s is just bad tbh
Risk:reward as a concept is alien and unnatural
No block mechanic means your best defensive option is just not interacting
And the first interaction is deciding the rest of the match 90% of the time
hollow hound
i'm very sure... other characters can do much better supporting in 2v2's compair...
It was a joke, though. 😢
noble pelican
abstract yacht
i guess we'd have to measure characters with no armor, erp, or titles
that would make the tierlist far more inaccurate
because some classes that are normally good/decent (Minerva f.e.)
dont actually work gearless
so MN gearless would go in F
even though she's not really F in actual match ups.
mystic elbow
i still think CE is fine her only issue is not having a crazy nuke button so her having mana doesn't mean much
she's just pretty good support
mystic elbow
The tierlist:
RM bottom tier
stable nymph
i feel like cem 2s would just b letting og play neutral, zzzx for decent combo damage + mp gain relative to feed, and hf pressure as primary mp sink
oblique sundial
why i hate x character in tier list format
haughty sedge
why i hate x character in tier list format
what did DB do :c
oblique sundial
I think she does at max stacks or smth
oblique sundial
what did DB do :c
Hit me three times and then oneshot me
haughty sedge
fair enough
stable nymph
genesis has some pretty funny antiairs
clever sigil
why i hate x character in tier list format
permission to have you elaborate on the "venn diagram" part?
oblique sundial
i thought it was self explanatory
clever sigil
guilty. Im just a bit out of it today.
guess a better question would be: Whose got the worst "venn diagram" then
(Ngl, im expecting it to be a tie between RV, CA, or Lithia)
warm hornet
why i hate x character in tier list format
i promise you, i don't camp in the air. and CE's air options are risky anyways, other than running.
clever sigil
i promise you, i don't camp in the air. ~~and CE's air options are risky anyway...
AYS you are the literal definition of "outlier" if urban dictionary could define it.
twin pawn
y am i getting matched with s ranks bro
twin pawn
an s ranker
oblique sundial
guess a better question would be: Whose got the worst "venn diagram" then
Probably tp or smth
quiet halo
Is it just me or is it impossible to beat Furious blade as IM
Genuinely asking tho cuz I’m oblivious to the meta
And I can’t seem to beat any FBs
It just seems like his neutral is better than IMs cuz he has somehow even more super armour than me
And does way too much damage
mystic elbow
no it should actually be kinda easy for IM to beat FB
quiet halo
Fr?
mystic elbow
once u get around FB's panic button (sonic slash)
white valve
isnt FB neutral just a bad dive and sonic slash
mystic elbow
it becomes pretty easy to beat him in neutral
white valve
just dont run into the sonic slash
quiet halo
What do I do when he sonic slash’s?
mystic elbow
yea
white valve
or iron body and just farm mp off him
mystic elbow
can also maelstorm if u have enough mp for it
quiet halo
True
quiet halo
Uh oh what’s this about 💀
white valve
redhead leader
dull forum
wat
quiet halo
to ask about anything IM
Omg my goat
mystic elbow
they're asking about IM FB match up
dull forum
im w1ns
mystic elbow
duh but he's struggling against FB
quiet halo
im w1ns
Fr?
Bro im ngl
Hold on lemme check my record against raven
And it’s mostly FBs
This is tragic 😭
3 wins 25 losses 😭
white valve
Everyone has to start somewhere
quiet halo
Everyone has to start somewhere
😢
white valve
as long as you keep improving and dont become stagnant its fine
dull forum
3 wins 25 losses 😭
U WANT CLASSES?
haughty sedge
Is it just me or is it impossible to beat Furious blade as IM
Just wait for his dive and dont get caught by sonic slash
Also - try not to let him capitalize on having more MP, because if he knows you are going to drop a combo and not loop, he will wait for u to drop just to Hypersonic Stab
I say cuz i also play FB
And he is my 2nd main haha
If ya want i can also run matches with ya so you can get comfortable with the matchup
warm hornet
the moment you get past FB's dive attack and sonic slash, he has to become a bit more creative to catch you.
like forcing him to use more "committed" or resource demanding options.
full yoke
what skill should i chose for nova raven?
hes strength has more damage than hes bravery mod
and more coverage
but i am brv stcked rn
quiet halo
U WANT CLASSES?
the record just got down to 3 wins 27 losses, lessons would be much appreciated 😭
marsh plume
hes strength has more damage than hes bravery mod
bb
dull forum
the record just got down to 3 wins 27 losses, lessons would be much appreciated ...
What's ur ign
I got an fb I can play you on
quiet halo
What's ur ign
sordfighter
dull forum
Are u in na?
quiet halo
u could tell I made this char in 2012 😂
quiet halo
Are u in na?
ye
dull forum
That's awful
You're feeding them so much mp w it
Also escape on t slot doesn't work
It doesn't get the cd reduce
dull forum
Put on assault dash
Sword blasting on t slot is also troll cuz
It doesn't get the cd reduction
U have to use all 3 casts
For the cd to proc
So it makes it a waste
Ideally on t slot you wanna use iron body
Or assault dash
For more DMG
Empowered assault dash is like a good
1.6k?
quiet halo
dayum
dull forum
U drop crescent cut
If what you're struggling is
Catching
If I'm an fb and I get hit w crescent cut
I'm tanking that
It's easy mp and awk charge
dull forum
For 1v1 it's alright
quiet halo
im not really playing 2v2s
dull forum
Swordfall is your main nuke anyways
quiet halo
maybe I will later but thats for later
dull forum
So u should have it on t slot
However
Assault dash is a good t slot option
Also I don't run roll personally , I prefer compact counter
Cuz roll is tooo slow but
Preferences
quiet halo
personally roll is the way to go
dull forum
Alright
Aside from that
Your game plan should be to aim to get the most mp possible
Learn the basic loop
Immortal wins a match off of
1 single catch
If ur good
dull forum
The most basic one is
Zzz>>x x drop zzz
If u want fast mp
Zzzz >><^vxzzz
Zzzz x drop
Aside from that
Ur dive >>^zxz
Gives a good chunk of m
Mp
xz
Gives a good chunk of mp as well and it's super armor
Ideally the game plan is
Get catch
They burn escape
You iron body/super armor option
They burn clock or obten or another cooldown
You run around fishing for other interactions
You iron body or sword blasting for the boom
Get a catch farm mp
They break
U iron body pressure them
U get em again
U win
That's the tldr
quiet halo
Get catch
They burn escape
You iron body/super armor option
They burn clock or o...
whats clock?
dull forum
Elrian clock
quiet halo
and obten
quiet halo
ok idk the names so
is that the invincibility one?
the one where they turn into a shadow
dull forum
Both yes
Ur iron body ignores debuffs for the first
3 seconds
That's the one u abuse
If they drop a freeze/bind/fog etc
You just ignore it with it
Hence why you just rush in
quiet halo
nice i actually didnt know that
dull forum
Reading is a superpower 🤓
But yes
U also wanna bank on your memory of the sword passive/master of combat
Ur 3rd Conwell skill
Will always get empowered 10% asd multiplier
Plus a phantom blade hit that stops manabreaks
Hence why you wanna cycle assault dash/sword blasting
Depending on your situation
Assault dash>sword blasting>swordfall
assault dash>sword blasting
Maelstrom
And the stacks don't have a timer
So you just cycle that passive so you can secure kills
quiet halo
so pretty much using the skills that apply to memory of the sword is good for damage
and stops mana breaks
damn it stops manabreaks? thats kinda fire
clever sigil
And I can’t seem to beat any FBs
one: Patience, and patience, Two: That counter Active you have may be your best friend.
Three, Back shots. The rear of Raven is always vulnurable (Most of the times.)
also, Whose the FB in particular?
quiet halo
one: Patience, and patience, Two: That counter Active you have may be your best ...
pause
haughty sedge
also, Whose the FB in particular?
That might have been me LMAO
cus my FB is GrayRapier
fiery lionBOT
jybylsalsa has been warned
quiet halo
cus my FB is GrayRapier
LOOOL YE I PLAYED U
dull forum
LOOOL YE I PLAYED U
Also if u could
Post ur stats
But dw bro
U gonna get trained by the best immortal player in the server
👍
haughty sedge
<@132715728611573760> i am a nova thu
nah Bursting Blade
dull forum
<@132715728611573760> i am a nova thu
Bursting blade same ting
Both new mods for Noah r bad in pvp
Nova"**
full yoke
.
both of em ?
i mean sure
but pve wise?
hes bravery total damage is less than crows
str one %
haughty sedge
this is PvE
my pvp tree is different
im still experimenting, but this is my PvP skills
full yoke
nono i mean maximum and hell fire on pve are meh
it would be better to just jump dash zxx on em
haughty sedge
mainly for tenacity skills
and hell fire is an extra bravery for dmg
i like to do 3 brave, 4 strength, 2 ten, 1 active
it mainly depends on the character too
done :D
full yoke
oke gotcha
ifrit is good
the tenacitys are kinda meh no range or reason to have
wp
haughty sedge
they are just skill filler
mainy cuz of environments like berthe raid
having no tenacities suck cuz when both 1 and 2 are called
u legit sit there with no damage
haughty sedge
ppl always do numbers differently lmao
full yoke
oh oki
marsh plume
oh
can you even get them tho
in that case idt you'd want any
i heard they're for pve / mid pvp wise
full yoke
next week
hes str has more % total damage on dungs
while bravery has less damage pve wise
but nova stacks breavery
but that skill is for bosses
while the str one has 2 crows and the same reach as all crows
so i am split on what to get
quiet halo
Post ur stats
Oh shoot mb once I get back home I’ll post my stats
quiet halo
U gonna get trained by the best immortal player in the server
Honoured 🙏
willow mural
they just halfed the dmg everything
no fine tuning or care
to be expected from pvp patches
marsh plume
they just halfed the dmg everything
everything but pr horary
pr horary got a 20% cut and a speeding ticket
warm hornet
they just halfed the dmg everything
mod illusion stinger for CE is getting nerfed??!?! the skill is still dog water in PvP.
the skill was already bad, why nerf it more?!?!?
but i bet...
there was enough people that had a bad experience in PvP for certain characters...
warm hornet
so instead of nerfing specific skills, they'll nerf all of it.
so they don't have to think about it.
abstract yacht
like
they just
CTRL click
select all
× 0.5
"lets call it a day bois"
thats literally what the patch is lol
warm hornet
i bet someone in KR really complained in PvP to make this happen.
abstract yacht
they are not looking to balance anything cuz new raid iis about to be released
so they are halting pve balance to see where the mods land with new raid
warm hornet
they balanced PvP stats like this so they don't have to think about it.
abstract yacht
and THEN balance stuff
so this ""PvP"" balance
is literally just filler to make it seem like they are doing smth
instead of an empty week
oblique sundial
oh no
ambush will go from doing 300k
to 150k
cata now has to hit you twice to win
warm hornet
cata now has to hit you twice to win
my argument is that they just nerfed a skill that's already bad and didn't bother to think twice about it.
abstract yacht
that would imply they even thought once in the first place
like I said they just took all mods
and halved values
no thoughts, head empty, give patch filler to pretend there's something
heavy spear
oblique sundial
my argument is that they just nerfed a skill that's already bad and didn't bothe...
Dw I know
But it's just super funny
warm hornet
It looks usefull.
dull forum
only ones that you can switch for better ones
Fax
kindred frost
Since you play back 2 muchb
Yeah tbh
And if you use the skill while they got full mana it technically don’t feed
Like say for example rh got full mp tryna nuke, it that, stun him
He’s either forced to mb or it takes hits
Only way out is the obt skill and nuke
kindred frost
quiet halo
U free today?
King of elsword is asking about me 😳
Mb I was travelling
I’ll be on in a bit
quiet halo
if ur busy u good man
Nah I’m back now I was hoping on even before I saw ur message 😂
quiet halo
Aight just @ me once ur ready 👍
dull forum
ye come
quiet halo
User name?
dull forum
ye
quiet halo
U want me to make a room?
dull forum
if u can
dull forum
did u dc
quiet halo
Can’t rn once im back in
What’s the difference?
Oh it gets super armor
But cooldown increased by 150%
Assuming that it’s worth?
@dull forum?
dull forum
So as I pointed out
Immortal really has some obnoxious
Neutral
mainly>>zx and >>^zxz
U have to wait those commands as I said
To get the full duration of your superarmor animations
It u cancel it by holding >
Or jumping or w.e
Most of the time that's when u would auto lose
To buttons
dull forum
Sure
quiet halo
Unfortunately u didn’t see mex drop so its hard to judge
But I’m struggling to consistently hit it
Idk how to time it
/ how to input it properly
quiet halo
Oh it’s character dependent?
dull forum
Yes
quiet halo
Omg this is smash melee labbing all over again 😭
dull forum
Raven elboy elesis Aisha lithia
And Noah
Have similar falling speeds
Chung eve are fat or floaty
Ara ain are feathers
So they launch higher than the other ones
Laby is kinda fat too
quiet halo
Raven elboy elesis Aisha lithia
Assuming he’ll fall into this category^^
quiet halo
U need to find ppl
Hmm ok
dull forum
Assuming he’ll fall into this category^^
Nah
Lowe is like
Ara
Weird launch
So yeah u wanna sit down and lab it out
quiet halo
So yeah u wanna sit down and lab it out
Aight tysm 🙏