Mishani is fun
#pvp
cyan quail
I tried tanking him once fully knowing the man was under geared
And was trying to see if AN would KD eventually
I ended up dying
Insane
hollow hound
I guess I am not prepared to face this god, then.
sinful anvil
bro
AN
u actually have to learn matchups
or u cant play the gae
gae
game
but i think
vs AN u get away w/ not knowing jack
u jsut
know that she has res and quickrise
then turn brain off and play like w/e
dusk dock
yeah
stable nymph
i remember sniping mish when he was like foj elrianode geared and i could not die
it was like 5am and i wakeup xd into reflect kick every time but it did not matter LOL
sinful anvil
its the armor punishing
buttons
tthatt she's lackin tbh
wynter and co were pushing back against this
but ill say it again, 4th paths seem made w/ respect 2 each other and every1 else glhf
bc's
if you havea butotn
that put's a out a quick multi-hitting box
that hangs around for a good several seconds
boom u can punish armor
and the 4trh paths all seem to have these in spades
LOL
ok thats a bad xplanation
BUT LIKE
TELL ME THE 4TH PATH NOAH BALLS ARENT CRAZY
@stable nymph carry me in 2s tn i'll spam perfect storm to heal u
ull never die
w8 maybe not tn might b it m ight b 💰 cash moolah 💰 makng time...
oblique sundial
but if they awk and low kick
I can tank it
oblique sundial
dont you skull me i tanked it before and ill do it again
hollow hound
but if they awk and low kick
AYS: laughing menancingly in the background
hollow hound
just dont tank em
AYS: laughing menancingly in the background x2
oblique sundial
tank builds and luciels with 1m hp
sinful anvil
i csnt believe i missd allnthese crazy im bows…
abstract yacht
isnt that just in general
that movement inputs always shed some degree of frames of any action and the why you always hold forward while comboing-
warm hornet
that movement inputs always shed some degree of frames of any action and the why...
the thing is, some peeps didn't know that's an actual thing. But still, inputting a dash will make you break out of hitstun a bit faster.
you can even break out of Furious blade's "Sonic Slash", but it's one heck of a tight window and depends on the Raven's action speed.
sinful anvil
but DoM clears
bro
twin pawn
i hope we get some halloween weapon costumes
how funny
sinful anvil
tell me y dom
twin pawn
we havent had a "costume contest" if you mean by designing one in years
and we just had our fashion contest a while ago
sinful anvil
ok ara having scythe skins is clean
dusk dock
tell me y dom
already did SSS on DB and MPx
sinful anvil
we havent had a "costume contest" if you mean by designing one in years
dam
i thuoght that's what they meant
dusk dock
i tried to get it on OM
dusk dock
but its not fun to tryhard
sinful anvil
o mb i didnt finish sentence
dusk dock
so DoM is here to play
twin pawn
stupid
sinful anvil
a character within a character
dusk dock
sleeper agent
twin pawn
a character that needs about 10 nerfs so he cant starfall cycle the entire match
dusk dock
hamel set
sinful anvil
master mind > S-tier
dusk dock
i love MM so much
dusk dock
😭
sinful anvil
and it just had
sinful anvil
time to HA to win
is apoc stillg ood
dusk dock
it is
sinful anvil
bc he also feeds a lot of mp
marsh plume
sinful anvil
what gives more cp in the erp page, adapt or boss dmg?
sinful anvil
@twin pawn where do u get elite phoru seals if not from evil souls orb?
twin pawn
purple seals get used for nearly nothing
sinful anvil
u trolling...
twin pawn
the hell are you using purple seals for
they literally only get used for elite forces... and at that point just buy a unique one...
celest ore
wynn maybe i wanna sell my +11 hamel boss drop wep
ever thought of that1
but yeah i dont think anyone really buys elite forces but i could be wrong
twin pawn
for 19 mil and a ruve herb
celest ore
real
empty ore
what gives more cp in the erp page, adapt or boss dmg?
Adapt
cyan quail
No
cyan quail
what gives more cp in the erp page, adapt or boss dmg?
Adaptation gives you almost nothing and the amount is super low too
Don't fall for it
What's ur current PvE page looking like?
And do you only care for CP or do you want damage?
cyan quail
Adaptation gives you almost nothing and the amount is super low too
A friend did multiple tests on this, and I personally got rid of my adapt ERP for CDR and got a lot more CP
Even though CDR barely gives anything
cyan quail
Idr if it's tied with Max MP but both of them are up there yeah
Adaptation itself is very valuable, but you're much better off getting it from other sources
The tests showed it gave less than 10k CP per 1%
And you only get 7% after going 100 points in
twin pawn
mm it depends on how high you can get after taking it out
cyan quail
He's less than 200 ERP
If anything adaptation is a luxury you can only afford at high ERP levels
twin pawn
yeah but are we talking about for cp purposes or in general
cyan quail
Which ATP you might as well already be invested enough to hit cap naturally
twin pawn
bc id argue hitting cap without adapt erp is annoying bc its a free 7%
twin pawn
is that... not free bc youre farming erp anyway if youre doing pve...
twin pawn
boss damage being the least important stat there
cyan quail
Well ideally you want 3 pages
twin pawn
you literally dont start going for boss damage until youre like nearly 400+
cyan quail
One for farming, one for pvp and the other for general PvE purposes
Such as bossing and dailies
For an EXP farming page adapt is fine
A friend recently started investing into it at 400 erp
Since you can only get ur adapt so high with a VoS
twin pawn
idk if you put erp into bdmg or max mp prior to adapt and youre not even capped thats kinda
cyan quail
Absolutely not Max MP
twin pawn
nor boss damage
cyan quail
I'm talking about the damage ones, and if we're talking about farm
twin pawn
if youre talking about damage ones youd still take adapt?
cyan quail
People go for IDR or even ED gain
Before they even go adapt
You don't even need that much to begin with for 16-2
It just makes your clearing slightly better
twin pawn
okay but for general pve youd still take adapt
asd cdr adapt polarize max mp boss damage mpr
bc of how boss damage diminishes its not a good stat to take early ever
cyan quail
Idk like I've maxed out everything at 370 and have 47% adapt with no +11 armors and only one R21
twin pawn
47% adapt
cyan quail
With 0 points in adapt
twin pawn
lol
twin pawn
unless all youre wearing are adapt accs and the meta 5/5s dont even give adapt rn...
cyan quail
Any buffs or potions you get on top don't let u get more
cyan quail
unless all youre wearing are adapt accs and the meta 5/5s dont even give adapt r...
No, I'm using green artis
You just get it from other sources
twin pawn
what do that gotta do with your accs
cyan quail
I think the only accs giving me Adapt are like... MR and SoA combo
Also idt Mishani has DeM in his collection anyway
Which is another free source of adapt
twin pawn
are you running adapt rings
cyan quail
Even Prof Pho gives you decent rings if u are down bad for adapt
I'm running these until I ID 8% or higher double crit rings
twin pawn
hm.
mystic elbow
I dont think Mishani will have much survivability if he doesnt take adapt
cyan quail
Idt survivability should even be a factor rn with how Ran raid is so heavily nerfed rn
fiery lionBOT
shennae has been warned
mystic elbow
You can still die pretty easily in ran
cyan quail
Wait what
I was EXP farming in Ran raid with less than 40% adapt and around 30% boss damage red
mystic elbow
Iirc the only thing they lowered the dmg of was touhou in 18-4-3
twin pawn
farming
cyan quail
Because I forgot I converted my sage set to EXP
mystic elbow
Well thats exp, in ran u still die easily without good stats
cyan quail
farming
Yeah if green is covered and there's already wall, which is somehow pretty popular nowadays
I either EXP farm or try to sub DPS
Ran raid gives a pretty good chunk of exp
dusk dock
sub DPS seems more ideal
shell surge
Pve has invaded the pvp section
cyan quail
Plus I already got Natural Flow
shell surge
dusk dock
Pve has invaded the pvp section
as usual
shell surge
Chat we are cooked
dusk dock
chat is this real
cyan quail
Well thats exp, in ran u still die easily without good stats
You can still die but like it's pretty hard
And if they're that worried they can just throw dark orbs
mystic elbow
I dont think its hard 💀
cyan quail
When I tried clearing sub 200 ERP people I just put on my HP weapon to give them better HP shields
And they never died
mystic elbow
Yea but how many ppl are doing that
No one is thinking of doing that
The ran raiders today r all jus like mishani
cyan quail
Ig it really depends on the party 😭
There are ways to mitigate damage and survive
Like dark orbs and guild food
mystic elbow
Yea for u and I who have already been doing ran for a long time its not hard to survive
Idt mishani even knows about guild food
Hes so old
💀
For new players they kinda just die to everything
Theres a lot of ways to make up the cp loss from where hes at but i dont see a lot of ways to make up a 7% adapt loss
cyan quail
Idk like it's pretty hard to imo unless it's 183
The thing is he barely has any collection
And idt he has an efficient PvE setup either
Like with MR and other accs
twin pawn
so y not give him the adapt
cyan quail
I'd do those first imo
twin pawn
from erp
mystic elbow
Idt i can see him doing collection even mine is still unfinished
cyan quail
If he just wants to survive ig.... But he doesn't even have the CP to even enter Ran raid
So it's pointless to rn
mystic elbow
If he didnt want to do ran then idt adapt matters as much not like hes gonna be doing dmg in berthe anyway
twin pawn
he also dont have much in the way of having adapt in general
cyan quail
He claimed the free tene
mystic elbow
Is it +11 at all
mystic elbow
Yea i dont think not having erp in adapt is an option im afraid
cyan quail
Since it comes as that
It really depends on what his overall setup is looking like imo
mystic elbow
Cuz atp he can only get adapt from a 5/5, 2/4 (AeN), adapt acc, and the artifact rings
cyan quail
I'd give him prof Pho rings, adapt collection and synergy, MR accessory combo and see what else is missing on his slots
mystic elbow
Then final option is adapt acc but thats a further cp loss than using mr
cyan quail
Because so many accs give so much adapt
cyan quail
Cuz atp he can only get adapt from a 5/5, 2/4 (AeN), adapt acc, and the artifact...
Yeah he also needs a PvE IB
All he had was the temporary SK
mystic elbow
SK would be the best option but that one is still expensive to buy
cyan quail
And that was barely putting him into Berthe cp
twin pawn
so y not just make him get ghe adapt erp
vale quartz
:3
cyan quail
Like I'm already assuming he doesn't want to do any damage and just wants to get in first before getting the adapt
Once he gets to 5m he can dump them into whichever stat
twin pawn
allegedly he wants to do tirnog for freed shadow
cyan quail
Because realistically he doesn't need any more than 4.85m for any of the content he can actually do
Serp and Challenge are out of the question
@mental rose @sinful anvil show ur setup
cyan quail
sub DPS seems more ideal
Also they can hold that L bc I'm not popping fighters just to do 1/4 or 1/3 the DPS's damage unless it's a friend
Take that extra minute in the dungeon 😭
Unless it's a +12 DPS, then my damage really doesn't matter
twin pawn
i mean whats your set up then if ur only doing 1/4th as a sub
cyan quail
Oh it's not optimized for damage at all
cyan quail
That's why, it's just a bonus
If anything I'd be able to go to half once I'm done with S5 and get the upcoming ib combo
I'm playing AV so while damage is good and all I gotta prioritize team support stuff
twin pawn
yes
abstract yacht
what gives more cp in the erp page, adapt or boss dmg?
boss dmg, but also it sucks just because of how much boss dmg u can get through socket and uHH
it's funny how adapt is one of the most essential stats nowadays yet gives almost no CP relative to any other stat
though I personally believe Adapt shouldn't, technically give you CP?
I mean yes it does makes you stronger......
but also that's kind of like... counting ATK's CP twice
because your ATK gives you CP
debuff removes your ATK in-dungeon, but not your CP 🤔
vale quartz
are you guys part of any guilds or groups that pvp each other for fun?
abstract yacht
they got the ability to do so.
dusk dock
real
dusk dock
do we have a character that can lose a game like this in Elsword? https://youtu.be/w5ldSPU1OOQ
mystic elbow
Im sure 😞
dusk dock
fr
twin pawn
tank an 183 laser
dusk dock
omw
mystic elbow
U mean 182?
knotty kraken
wynn unlocking secret mechs
kindred frost
is 2s popping
cyan quail
No
kindred frost
😔
hollow hound
I am bored, I want to sparr...
sinful anvil
who need trosh????
dusk dock
server*
just thought i would share here
but if you dont understand
i can break it down for you if you like
just lemme uhh
learn how to play Marie in skullgirls
rq
buoyant folio
Pixels
vale quartz
touching someone once in sparring and they do this to you
mystic elbow
me tbh
dusk dock
i use multiple nukes
😄
either starfall if you are grounded
or panzer buster if you are aerial
the choice is yours
sinful anvil
waiot
yo
is this miant
why is maint so early?
is this maint going to end the season passes?
twin pawn
daylight savings time
sinful anvil
is it just me or does concerto seem like
1 of those
like u kno when u beat a single player game and it unlocks a bunch of perks or items or w/e that are deliberately meant to let u cheese ur way through the game now that you've beaten it?
the pvp effects
are one thing
but in pve, the title refunds 100mp for mana breaking????????????
does that not just seem blatantly insane?
LOL
it seems like a game over title???
sinful anvil
look
twin pawn
its basically just there to justify the pvp effect
twin pawn
the same happened w GoE
twin pawn
okay well you're dying in henir...
sinful anvil
maybe it was dimension of sinister intent LMAO
i was getting bodied in sinister intent for a hot minute icl
twin pawn
if by the time you get concerto
you actually need to mana break in pve
you have farrrrrrrr different issues
sinful anvil
and i was like 'who mana breaks in pve', ppl started chatting at me like i was crazy
for saying htaqt
but i had legit never mb'd in pve before sinister intent LOL
sinful anvil
you actually need to mana break in pve
i mean there's obviously a time and place right?
twin pawn
i fear thats only something that would ever happen in early game and never late game
sinful anvil
the same happened w GoE
what happened with goe?
twin pawn
i cant even imagine when ur mbing
in pve
currently
considering how rampant using stone apples are
sinful anvil
well
twin pawn
youre never getting hitstunned
sinful anvil
think about it though
twin pawn
goe has the same mana break thing
sinful anvil
yerah but it snot 100 in pve right
twin pawn
think about what babes youre doing a 12.3m dungeon 500 times
and you still need to mana break in pve 😭
you got wayyyyy different issues
sinful anvil
"need" to mana break in pve
the only reason you frame it that way is because mana breaking comes at a cost of 100mp
twin pawn
in what situation are u mana breaking in pve that isnt bc you dunno what ur doing in the dungeons ur running
and even then you'd just... die
bc iframe piercing exists
and its in almost every endgame dungeon
sinful anvil
iframe piercing is another gigantic bandaid feature btw
twin pawn
so like whats the point of mana breaking to die anyway 😭
twin pawn
like idgi whats the significance of something youre not using realistically in pve bc its not happening to anyone worth their salt
sinful anvil
like idgi whats the significance of something youre not using realistically in p...
"not happening to anyone"
it's n ot somethign that happens to you, it's something that you do
twin pawn
why are you mana breaking in pve
if not to avoid something thats happening to you
like what r u getting whacked by in pve that requires mana breaking for it to matter
twin pawn
why are you doing it in pve to begin with
thats what im not understanding you get no value if you aren't actually going to mana break in pve...
sinful anvil
if you could mana break for free, then it's not even a mana break anymore. It's a new option that didn't exist before, where you can forcefully KD yourself off of any hit and then do an iframed no-collision roll in either direction
twin pawn
for... what
sinful anvil
idk use ur imagination
twin pawn
like to even equip the title you have to be able to enter serpentium
in which case most of the dungeons youre running youre running some form of stoic and using stoic items
so what are you kding off of forcefully to "escape from" when by the time you enter serpentium you should probably... know what youre doing
considering you ran the raid 500 times
sinful anvil
you can still mana break during super armor
twin pawn
for what
what is the point to spend 100 mp to "kd" when in super armor when you can just walk away... or jump over the thing hitting you
like are we not using pots in pve or something
sinful anvil
you're not spending 100mp
twin pawn
okay, whats the point to spend 100 mp, get it back, and "kd yourself" in pve
when youre most likely in super armor
oblique sundial
Just spend the entire time in iframes and you won't have to break
twin pawn
and can just... walk away
twin pawn
for what
sinful anvil
for free
twin pawn
what are you doing that for
sinful anvil
you tell me
sinful anvil
im the one saying you get a new free option that has potential to be very cheesey
twin pawn
cheesy for what
oblique sundial
Look either you're getting hit by something you shouldn't (trash mobs anything) or you're getting onetapped by something that can hit you in iframes anyways
twin pawn
like this is an option that only exists to justify having it for pvp
its not something thats actually going to be seeing use in pve bc its... not useful
you dont even spend more than 5-8 seconds on the title to begin with
so again, what are you using this mana break for that isnt something you can avoid by just not having to mana break to begin with
like what are you cheesing by doing this other than... mana breaking and kding for no reason other than wasting your own time 😭
sinful anvil
ok
twin pawn
i fear you're talking ab using the title in a way nobody is going to use it for bc you awaken with it and switch to the dps title for the rest of the dungeon
which is literally what GoE was... and Freed Shadow currently is
twin pawn
youd just replace freed shadow for concerto
marsh plume
dmg title + fs/goe + night parade and some 4th
twin pawn
dmg title + concerto/fs + night parade + plegas or tss
like unless you're actually getting hit by everything in pve and need to constantly kd yourself (for some reason? and you also havent switched your title.. for some reason) theres like no purpose to kding yourself purposefully other than wasting your own time fighting mobs that shouldnt be hitting you like that anyway
and kding against a boss in endgame is silly bc they'll just kill you anyway..
twin pawn
its upgraded fs at the cost of 12.3m cp and running that dungeon 500 times bc you hate yourself
bc it is useless
twin pawn
nobody other than mishani seems to think its useful in pve for mana breaking 😭
marsh plume
whatever hit u is gonna kill you by the time your character is on recovery animation
i mean
does he know you can't use raid titles unless you unlock the region
perhaps he thinks you can put it on an alt or smt
twin pawn
twin pawn
me when the mana breaking pve title requires me to have 5m cp
he cant even enter serpentium to get the title
😭
marsh plume
so he could be getting smoked on some 400k cp alt off some hennon or elrianode city boss
ya
pointless discussion
sinful anvil
perhaps he thinks you can put it on an alt or smt
no but my character's wakeup animation covers a lot of distance very quickly on top of being quick rise.
if mana breaking is literally 0 mp
that just seems like an additional movement option 2 me
twin pawn
thats a waste of time on Anemos given what your job is
also movement option that requires you to.. get hit
in a game with twister apples and hyper accel
sinful anvil
i could easily see myself breaking on a stray hit to reposition or somethiing
or even
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
twin pawn
first of all you'd have to be wearing the title to do that
sinful anvil
just hold the thing down in certian situatins and just spam it LOL
sinful anvil
situations*
twin pawn
like there is no practicality in it unless youre literally anticipating needing to break and youre keeping the title on almost the entire time...
which... isnt practical in and of itself
given what Anemos is supposed to be doing
sinful anvil
first of all you'd have to be wearing the title to do that
?
twin pawn
are you wearing the title the entire dungeon
sinful anvil
ofc
twin pawn
bc thats just... stupid
lmao
you do realize the point of the title is to awaken and switch to your actual damage title right
so you can.. benefit from the damage buff
sinful anvil
if u thinii m using that jank title swapper nonsens u got me chopped br
1 title 1 dung no prob
twin pawn
i mean the conversation is useless bc you're actively wasting your time doing whatever you think youre gonna be doing with that title
in which case maybe just stick to pvp
considering idk how/who'd be taking you to serp for 500 runs 😭
sinful anvil
i mean the conversation is useless bc you're actively wasting your time doing wh...
i was @'in miyako bro idk y u start yap ibk abt u
twin pawn
i mean ur still talking ab a useless conversation are you not
miyako thinks the same like idk bro
ur tb mana breaking on a title thats not rlly "made for it" in content that you shouldnt be mana breaking in to begin with unless youre actually bad 😭
sinful anvil
ur tb mana breaking on a title thats not rlly "made for it" in content that you ...
?
the title refunds all 100mp
twin pawn
what are you mana breaking for in pve
sinful anvil
for mana breaking
twin pawn
you cannot answer why youd be mana breaking in pve beyond it refunding the mp
sinful anvil
literally anything you want to use the option for it's free
twin pawn
you do realize most people wont be wearing the title indefinitely yes
and for at best 5 seconds to awaken and swap?
sinful anvil
i don't intend to give you specific scenarios i never did, but I'm sure they exist. I'm just pointing out the option and how ridiculous it is,
twin pawn
like you keep saying its free but what are you mana breaking in pve that you cant walk away from because anyone with a brain is running stoic
sinful anvil
you can still m ana break in stoic
twin pawn
youre acting like youre getting comboed in pve
twin pawn
like theres no reason to be mana breaking in pve
unless again you have a transform HA and need to mb to end the animation faster
in which case you get the mp back near instantly bc ur... with a healer
like theres no realistic reason youre mana breaking in pve other than somehow getting hitstun locked
twin pawn
and if you have the title already youre smart enough to know how to play the game to know where to be positioned
sinful anvil
and you hold the button down
twin pawn
brother what are you getting kd'd for in pve
why do you need to mana break in pve for a quick rise
sinful anvil
r u
sinful anvil
brother what are you getting kd'd for in pve
bro what are u talking about
twin pawn
you cannot answer beyond "any reason" and there is no reason in which youd be doing so on an Anemos...
marsh plume
i went to do stuff
twin pawn
dawg what are you mana breaking for in pve
marsh plume
what is this convo still on
even
also mishani you do realize that recovery roll does almost nothing bc you're 90% of the time
twin pawn
you dont even wear the title for a full dungeon run to require the mana breaking
marsh plume
on gate buff
twin pawn
like literally what are you talking about other than trying to justify doing something that makes no sense with the state of the game
marsh plume
mb recovery roll is no movement option when ur purposefully gonna stall urself on a situation where you want to keep on moving
mind u
ur holding at least
twin pawn
if ur playing anemos and mana breaking in pve what are you doing to require doing so when your job is doing damage
marsh plume
you're aiming for a perfect break
sinful anvil
buff
marsh plume
MOV SPEED
marsh plume
yeah but what
sinful anvil
your recovery roll
twin pawn
like youre running regular dungeons with no hyper accel?
marsh plume
wait
twin pawn
no twister apples?
sinful anvil
no u dont stay in place
twin pawn
so youre running through mobs getting hit for what
marsh plume
on a non early game dungeon
twin pawn
youre cancelling your own skills... for what
marsh plume
you're not running what pt much the game tells u to run
bc mind u
the game itself
promotes stone apples
twin pawn
it means you can reposition by literally moving yourself the direction you want to go rather than kding yourself in stoic bc you want to use quick rise for some reason
marsh plume
especifically bc you want to avoid flinching
twin pawn
on a character who literally does her job by constantly pressing buttons
sinful anvil
but what
sinful anvil
does 'the game itself promtoign it' mean
marsh plume
whatever hit you is gonna kill you
twin pawn
so what are you wasting your time kding yourself for to have a free mana break do
it means the game wants you to have sustained dps while not getting hit outside of your iframes...
so you run stone apples... to have stoic
marsh plume
does 'the game itself promtoign it' mean
if the game gives you 300+ stone apples
off professor phoru
what do you think it wants you to have
or get
sinful anvil
u mean what do the devs think wud b a good idea 2 use in the game they never play?
sinful anvil
if its a good otion
marsh plume
using stone applers
twin pawn
i dont think ur playing the game the way everyone else does actually
sinful anvil
option
marsh plume
for years
sinful anvil
it's a good option
twin pawn
for what
marsh plume
it's even one of the things pvp players farm to sell
twin pawn
you cannot justify why it is that isn't disproven by the way literally everyone else plays
sinful anvil
espec in this case
twin pawn
its literally just there to justify having the mp condition for pvp....
twin pawn
and the game moves more into raids you want stone apples
bc mana breaking is again a waste of time
i dont think this is devs not playing i think its you not playing the same game everyone else is
marsh plume
bc mana breaking is again a waste of time
by the time you hold mb, break, wake up
you lose dps or uptime on a buff
twin pawn
especially onna character like Anemos
whos job isnt to sit there for a mana break so she can quick rise to do... whatever the quick rise is supposed to do for her
marsh plume
and mind you, assuming this is still
abt that concerto
it means you're not only wasting time on the mb itself
but also on the switching
twin pawn
ur doing 500 runs for a title and youre gonna not use it to do damage but to kd for a quick rise on a character who doesnt need quick rise outside of pvp
sinful anvil
anemos loses a negligible amountt of time kd'ing into quick rise
its like less than .1s
twin pawn
brother the point is she shouldnt be kding in the first place
so why are you trying to justify it to begin with that isn't negligible bc you can move with stone apples where you need to be
sinful anvil
ur doing 500 runs for a title and youre gonna not use it to do damage but to kd ...
why would u not use the titel
to do damage
twin pawn
?
sinful anvil
?
twin pawn
you do realize its an awk title
and you.. swap to natural flow
right
not to... kd into a quick rise for no reason
sinful anvil
thats an option yeah, but if you awk you still get the buff
marsh plume
thats an option yeah, but if you awk you still get the buff
ppl
use goe
fs
to literally do that
marsh plume
on-awk titles are only up for 1-2 seconds max per minute
then you swap off to ur main dmg title
twin pawn
so again why is an anemos with this title not awakening and swapping to her actual damage title
like every other character in the game will be doing ...
when shes one of the best physical dpses in the game and shes awakening so she can actually get the benefit for herself while using a diff title
like shes supposed to...
cyan quail
in what situation are u mana breaking in pve that isnt bc you dunno what ur doin...
Manabreaking is more common than you think in PvE
Long animations can be skipped by simply holding break as the boss is attacking and it'll still come out
Same thing for hypers, it's huge if not a fundamental part of TP's gameplay
DPSes usually hold it if theyre forced on a long animation skill
Imo the title is just a bandaid to an issue that should've been resolved by faster animations/them being affected by aspd so you can exit them faster
It's also hard locked behind an insane CP requirement raid so it's kinda like mostly of interest for the people that are invested enough to get it in the first place
cyan quail
to quick rise when you couldve just... moved
This is such an out of touch take btw
Tell me u don't play a DPS class without telling me u don't play a DPS class
😭
A lot of DPSes can't afford to always dodge mechanics because DPS windows are so few and far between the more you get into the lategame
Not counting Ran btw imo that's mid game now
This is also part of a reason why it's tied to a ress title on top of it, so DPSes can tank a mechanic and still be able to output damage
Not saying it's how the game should be played, like I said it's more of a bandaid fix to a much deeper issue
But if the option's there they might as well take it
cyan quail
And seems like the devs catered this title with this in mind
You have to for FS anyway
Ress titles aren't just for ress nowadays
cyan quail
There's the free skill reset title, FS for buff
With this one u can manabreak to skip animations
cyan quail
I thought BnW was good
dusk dock
i have Drone Activator and Force Field
for any CD issues on DoM
its just special actives
thats why Night Parada and reset build just works
😄
cyan quail
I've to buff with braveries with heavy trait on them so it definitely helps
Having maxed out CDR and having a CDA skill wasn't enough
mystic elbow
Huh Wynn plays multiple dps classes
cyan quail
Then how
mystic elbow
I dont even think he has a support
cyan quail
Bro breaking has been a thing for ages now
I've even seen it back in Berthe
Back when CAs used to mb that one skill after it became unaffected by aspd
And I'm sure it's been used even before that, but that's the one that made it so much popular
There's also the hyperactive mechanics in serp raid where u need to use 3 in order to do a mechanic
dusk dock
excuse me but dont raid attacks go thru i frames now or something
dusk dock
cooked
dusk dock
when the iframes arent invincible
mystic elbow
excuse me but dont raid attacks go thru i frames now or something
I mean yea but mb can be used for certain things like 15-5
cyan quail
Not their challenge modes
fiery lionBOT
dekomlev has been warned
dusk dock
Ran so mid
cyan quail
Challenge mode is different for both of them
The worst part is that Ran isn't even endgame anymore 🥹
mystic elbow
Ran didnt need a nerf idc what anyone says
The dungeon was easy ppl just suck at the game
cyan quail
It really didnt
You know even w all the nerfs
I still had to carry people on a 28 min clear for last dungeon
On HP weapon for them because they kept dying
There's so many clueless people entering it without even knowing mechanics
mystic elbow
Still watched a 20 min 18-4 with +12 FP
cyan quail
And somehow expect to be carried for free.99
mystic elbow
I think this route kog is going of just making everything braindead easy is kinda annoying bc ppl just get carried n dont learn their characters at all
Like CL players legit not knowing they can cleanse
AVs not even carrying vow
cyan quail
Howl
mystic elbow
I understand berthe being nerfed cuz hyperarmor just meant that phys side sucked
cyan quail
God the most cursed moments are when I apply in pt finder, go afk then they fill
Then I find out we are doing no damage
mystic elbow
But 1 ban was fine bc it forced ppl to learn their characters
mystic elbow
💀⁉️
cyan quail
But 1 ban was fine bc it forced ppl to learn their characters
Yeah
Then there's people who freeze frame 1
mystic elbow
I started joining on void weapon 😭
cyan quail
And killing the freeze stacks
cyan quail
cyan quail
NGL I started freezing with water orbs when I joined on PR
hollow hound
Meanwhile, I am tryharding DPS as undergeared CE.
cyan quail
It was so frustrating LOL
mystic elbow
I had a friend who rly thought they were helping by throwing water orbs round start
“I thought it makes the freeze last longer”
cyan quail
At least there's still petrify stacks
The one thing newcomers don't know and can't mess up
So even if they grief the freeze stacks those r still left
cyan quail
“I thought it makes the freeze last longer”
At least they had good intentions 🥲
It's why I can't really get mad at them
But explaining takes forever so I just tell them don't
mystic elbow
Not carrying vow.. not healing..
They rly dont they just put whatever
M bc vow doesnt do dmg theyre not putting it on
cyan quail
Tbf tho it sits there on their bar when it's only pressed once unless DPS dies
Kinda wish it had a separate button like a vkey but she's forced to take it
It's insane value tho
Even if u just press it once
Ur killing at least 75% of the char without it
mystic elbow
Yea pretty much
But thats y i dont like these dungeons getting gutted
Nor do i rlly like progression getting gutted cuz theyre just being thrown to midgame without learning anything about the game
N thats when u see some craziness
cyan quail
Nor do i rlly like progression getting gutted cuz theyre just being thrown to mi...
QoL is nice but spoon-feeding players is negative to the game precisely because of this
Newcomers being completely oblivious to what they gotta do
Then they sit in party finder on a DPS character with 5m CP and not able to get SoA stages
Or even get the weapon in the first place
mystic elbow
Ye “help abyss”
Didnt read anything about abyss
Completely new
Sub 200 erp
:/
cyan quail
"help abyss" party fp an (if ur lucky they have a healer)
All w barely enough CP to enter
cyan quail
Sub 200 erp
Yeah nah that too
mystic elbow
100% crit rate..
cyan quail
And when they come to 16-2 for farming they don't stone apple or try to dodge the cartwheel
So they either get kicked out or party disbands early
It's depressing ngl
mystic elbow
Yea tbh i think they should be doing trosh even if more ppl r doing 16-2
But 16-2 peeps have a diff standard
Trosh is better even if less exp just cuz theres more new players there
cyan quail
I remember I was farming 16-2 with my friend and we were getting 1.5min clears
Then we got a random that was using twister apples and clearing everything before we could even get to them
There's always a bigger fish
Unfortunately when u don't perform to their standards u kinda just get excluded
At least Trosh nest is a lot easier to farm nowadays
I remember having to manually get every single mob to spawn...
cyan quail
Ye “help abyss”
Also the cutest thing was seeing someone offering fighters for clear
But the amount wasn't even enough to cover the amount spent by the DPS 😭
At least they're trying tho I respect it
mystic elbow
Ye trosh is really easy now 😭
How it shouldve always been tbh cuz manually spawning them was ghetto
mystic elbow
Also the cutest thing was seeing someone offering fighters for clear
This is smart 💀
cyan quail
Fr
cyan quail
How it shouldve always been tbh cuz manually spawning them was ghetto
Now all they gotta do is learn to aggro the bosses and go to a corner
The main thing that drove me away from Trosh farming is how people refused to do just that
hollow hound
Hey, I need 5 15-6 runs for a friend, I can carry, I just need some bodies.
twin pawn
Tell me u don't play a DPS class without telling me u don't play a DPS class
?
if you had bothered to read what I'd said before pinging me I had already mentioned HAs... and many people do literally just move bc most classes just hug boss at best and at worst slightly inconvenience themselves to move? how many classes are standing 85 feet away at all times?
sinful anvil
Bro breaking has been a thing for ages now
it's just insane 2 me bro the pve yapping
i remmeber several years ago i pulled up
and was like 'holy i keep dying 2 thing' (idr what hting was it was either a henir boss or a sinister intent npc overlord)
and then a aron or someone was like wtef y didnt u mana break
i said who tef mana breaks in pve? ??
the pve greaselords were instnalty on my a ^ss yapping like i said something crazy
on some " . "
" ... ???? "
fast forward
dusk dock
😭 ?
sinful anvil
now we got mr. yap lord wynter
hollow hound
Ok, wait...
sinful anvil
chatting me like im crazy for pointing out that concerto takes 1 of the core defensive mechanix of the game that has always come @ the price of MP, and renders it compeltely free bro
hollow hound
I did not remember this is the pvp channel.
hollow hound
Why are we talking about pve in the pvp channel? 😂
sinful anvil
THIS WHAT ALL THIS MOBBIN DOES 2 PEEPS BRO
sinful anvil
MESSES W/ UR CORTEXES
versed knot
You missed that whole month of pvp channel being instagram?
dusk dock
basically
versed knot
Lol I lost tract of time, felt like a few montha ago(?)
hollow hound
Unlucky me.
versed knot
Idk there was someone posting selfies and pets
cyan quail
chatting me like im crazy for pointing out that concerto takes 1 of the core def...
Yeah like ATP it's become so deeply rooted into endgame bossing and they refused to do anything about it like changing animation speeds or letting you get out of frame early that they just came up w that title
sinful anvil
Yeah like ATP it's become so deeply rooted into endgame bossing and they refused...
insanity
cyan quail
if you had bothered to read what I'd said before pinging me I had already mentio...
Because it's not just HAs 😭 it's a lot of skills that are unaffected by aspd that puts people into those awkward spots where breaking is more efficient to begin with
sinful anvil
evne during that whole exchange thinking lowkey like
the fact that i-frame penetration is so common in bsos attacks now
seems like a huge bandaid
fix for bigger issues brh......
like y
twin pawn
Because it's not just HAs 😭 it's a lot of skills that are unaffected by aspd th...
which skills are these exactly
cyan quail
At the end of the day you still have to commit to dpsing and dealing with mechs
twin pawn
like this dude tb mana breaking with keeping this title on as an Anemos for quick rise like please 😭
twin pawn
its also a title you arent wearing the entire run
sinful anvil
for 0.1s
hollow hound
The greens are talking.
cyan quail
The main one that comes off the head is chandelier, there's also Aero Tornado which is inconvenient mispositioning which you can cancel by breaking
cyan quail
It didn't use to back when its break was popularized
Remember it was affected on release and then nerfed to not be
twin pawn
and it does now... with a title that we're talking about?
cyan quail
Eventually it got patched back to being affected
sinful anvil
dam i am glad aero tornado still relevent 💀
cyan quail
That's what they should be doing skills, that's the main argument that I'm trying to make
twin pawn
and thats not the argument at hand
cyan quail
Because when they have them being unaffected or long animations you end up being vulnerable to mechanics and it's most efficient to break during them
cyan quail
dam i am glad aero tornado still relevent 💀
It's literally there as ur last button to press on most of them
sinful anvil
It's literally there as ur last button to press on most of them
like always...
cyan quail
It's still free whenever you do have to swap to it
twin pawn
im not talking about the efficacy of mana breaking in general
im talking about mana breaking with this title on which is not realistic for a majority of situations
cyan quail
Like how often are you pressing the skill you don't really want to commit to
twin pawn
bc you are not wearing this title for that long
cyan quail
If we r talking about Rena specifically I'd literally just press it once all my buttons except Aero Tornado are on cd
twin pawn
on an anemos
cyan quail
Which might be every 40s or so
sinful anvil
mans was asking me for pve examples of when ur goin 2 mana break, talkign about "when do u mana break in pve gimme exmaples" like i b out here smackin mobs arnd for 90 hrs bro i literally said 2 him idk use ur imagination. Ik pve lords mana break in pve because hte pve lords litro roasted me 4 thinking they didnt mana break yrs ago ALL IM SAYING. and a title that makes that completely free??? bonus points ur on a character like anemos who has probly the fastest quick rise in the game?? just sayin...
cyan quail
You're also able to break in superarmor to bypass some mechanics, which when being paired with a ress definitely helps in endgame bossing
twin pawn
you also said youd be wearing the title the entire dungeon like clearly you not sb to be taken seriously
sinful anvil
nah bro u just got the npc brain u were out her offending long b4 that
twin pawn
yeah bc its stupid...
cyan quail
You're not putting it on the entire dungeon, but for challenge and serp raid you absolutely want to switch to a ress title during specific mechs
Because you have very limited life stocks
twin pawn
well no duh??
sinful anvil
accidental kd'd like multiple times in row on an
and ur holding a direction u roll across the whole map js...
twin pawn
like mbing is not gonna save you from an iframe pierxe
which is... most of endgame
so like what are you tb
cyan quail
Well I'm not saying it's good design but them putting the free break on a ress title just comes across as acknowledging breaking as part of raid mechanics
twin pawn
ppl roasted you years ago like how is that relevant to now
sinful anvil
ppl roasted you years ago like how is that relevant to now
plz read...
twin pawn
they did the same with goe and breaking wasnt that relevant??
cyan quail
There's specific things you want to break like for example Ran's orbs during destroy or Rosso's scythe pull which drags you even in SA in challenge mode
twin pawn
like you're not breaking consistently enough to get value out of this nor is the 100 mp regen going to matter if youre already getting healed
cyan quail
Both of which even if ur in superarmor you're still getting CC'd
twin pawn
you're not breaking ran orbs during serk
twin pawn
bc youre already in super armor most likely... and you can just jump out of them
like ran does not do enough damage during serk for you to actually be scared of that
cyan quail
It's just an example of an instance in which you want to break even though you're in superarmor
twin pawn
especially bc ur already most likely in sa so you can... move
like you can already just. move out of it
cyan quail
That's not the same for Rosso's Scythe pull in challenge mode
Sure you can see it coming but it's hard to react to w the mechs and trying to stay alive
cyan quail
If you just let yourself get pushed to the edge it's over
twin pawn
key phrase letting yourself get pushed to the edge...
cyan quail
Unless your character has special movement there's goes 1/2 of ur life stocks
Well yeah, because if you don't break you will get dragged the whole distance
twin pawn
if ur letting anything happen to you that you dont move away from i think you have far different issues
cyan quail
It drags you even in superarmor
twin pawn
dats strange ive watched ppl do crosso and not get dragged the full distance and they dont mb i wonder y
cyan quail
There's only so much you can react to it along w the lasers, cages and flames around u
It depends on where it hits u to begin with
And with everything going around u really can't just say lol just don't get hit
twin pawn
so youd switch to the title just to mana break
cyan quail
It's not like you can tank a few hits and there you can jump off free, that thing starts dragging u first hit