pvp

[sinful anvil]

on that ign

LOL

[mental rose]

u mean

2% asd**

[stable nymph]

sure 2% asd and 5% atk for 2% mpr...

[mental rose]

ye

and

5% NORMALIZED atk....

🙄

the way i c it wibls

currently im using vig

so i dont have 5% atk currently

there4

2% mpr + 7 dub effect

thats just a flat upgrde right...

but im not paying freaking 3b for a singular 7w piece

LOL

[stable nymph]

is there no1 in pvp discord or anythign able 2 sell u a set 4 reaosnable price

[mental rose]

not that I've been able to find so far

altho berri liber8d me from the gierent grinder w/ the rf loan

tbh no1 selling rena stuff its weird

almost like the char need tlc 🙄

maybe chat GPT can make korean post 4 me

[sinful anvil]

😈

but ngl i lost faith in KR when they changed rena's double jump and the only Korean feedback being posted about the change

were screen shots of their rena's armpits during the new animation

😒

[stable nymph]

i got u

안녕하세요, 여러분!

모두 잘 지내고 계신가요? 오늘은 우리가 사랑하는 캐릭터 Rena에 대해 이야기해보고 싶어요. 특히 PVP에서 Laby와 비교했을 때 Rena의 위상이 많이 떨어지는 것 같아요.

Laby는 뛰어난 기동성과 데미지 잠재력 덕분에 PVP에서 상위 티어로 자리 잡고 있는데, Rena는 좀 부족한 느낌이 들어요. Rena는 정말 많은 잠재력을 가지고 있는데, 몇 가지 버프만 있다면 훨씬 빛날 수 있을 것 같아요!

또한, Rena의 독특한 외관, 특히 겨드랑이가 정말 아름답게 디자인된 것 같아요. 그녀의 매력에 걸맞는 게임플레이 개선이 이루어진다면 좋겠어요.

여러분은 어떻게 생각하시나요? Rena에게 버프를 요청해볼까요? 어떤 변화가 Rena를 PVP에서 더 경쟁력 있게 만들 수 있을지 함께 이야기해봐요!

감사합니다!

[mental rose]

🤔

[sinful anvil]

hmmm this is very clever of u

playing 2 their armpit fixation rathr than rjecting it, true winner mentality...

[stable nymph]

if ur going 2 go 2 the koreans can u ask them 2 slow down eve normals 2 thx

[sinful anvil]

lOL

idk when i typed 👌 in a korean stream ch@

according 2 google translate, they said

"whats wrong with ur foreign fingers"

dam i thouight i ss'd it but i guess not lOL

or smth like that

[mental rose]

but rh im tellign u

ok no

i was about to sya i think they did osmething weird to the buffer windows

but

when i used airelinna sylph

on WS in 2014

i remember i started having some difficulties with zz>zz

so it probly literally is just that the buffer windows go by super fast now

altho

i think the new normals they introduced have weird buffer windows

like rena x

er

xxx^X/vX

[stable nymph]

In Korean culture, the :ok_hand: gesture can be interpreted as a way to signify a vulgar term for a part of the female anatomy. It’s considered offensive, so using it could lead to misunderstandings or negative reactions.

siigh cmon mish

peace among worlds t ' ^ ' t

[sinful anvil]

omg

no shot

LOL

DOU THINK

THAT'S WHY

LOL

no way LOL...

i was debating between sending the victory V emoji or ok

and chose ok..

[stable nymph]

i love that we can make up w/e we want and just make it look like chatgpt told us 4 plausibl deniability

[sinful anvil]

wym

wait

nah that actualyl

ok im not going 2 jump to conclusions but that would explain a lot

LOL

cuz

the dude that made the 'foreign fingers' comment

also was asking if I was a poster on some forum that translated as "llbe"

and chatgpt said it was some toxic kr board or smth

wud b wild if thats y LOL

that jusdt my head canon tho who knows

also kog needda change their monitization strategy bro

[stable nymph]

nah

[sinful anvil]

i am not trying 2 pay more than 3b for 7w but id drop 10b for eo vd rena 🙄

[sinful anvil]

idk i askd chat gpt too and gpt was like

https://puu.sh/KgKWn/ce28f74f68.png

[stable nymph]

i feel like these things tend to err on side of saying everything is offensive bc companies dont want their llms 2 b tricked in2 saying offensive stuff 4 memes

[sinful anvil]

well

the U.S. version at bottom

says ok_hand is 👌 in america

🤔

[stable nymph]

idk

LOL i remember a milion yrs ago i like

made an eve character.ai

and made it stupid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/356684303695872010/1074988525465899018/image.png?ex=670d8fd4&is=670c3e54&hm=567a5556b4208ae6f47267e4f54cece23adbd80c5d06383cd74f679f84e2fa81&

[sinful anvil]

send i will use it 2 make major life decisions

[stable nymph]

i was

so impressed

that it could learn to do this LMAO

but at some point since then they lobotomized it

[sinful anvil]

ngl send this 2 kepler

💀

[stable nymph]

and it no longer does that

idk kepler so u can feel free 2 do so

[sinful anvil]

LLOL

[fiery lion]

.skwrl. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sinful anvil]

WDDEF

WDEF*

[sinful anvil]

i meant the ai itself but m jk

that typng drove him insane

[stable nymph]

jesus looking at old screenshots

things were a lot more fun wen companies just let llms say w/e they wanted

[sinful anvil]

this is wild

[stable nymph]

i was doing genshin + overwatch rp and i got the bot to call for the extermination of short ppl LMAO

[sinful anvil]

what year was that

[stable nymph]

i wonder what 2024 elon musk bot answers 2 this

idr this was back when everything was still in beta

[sinful anvil]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[stable nymph]

iirc those characters wud like learn based on ur conversations with them and being early user i thought i could like

make all their characters randomly bring up overwatch to derail conversations LMAO

[clever sigil]

IF Lev see this, I got smacked with the spectrum Usual:(Random DC)

[sinful anvil]

does any1 happen to know if

magic wardrobe items are region-specific

like if we make wardrobe request for certain costume items in feedback, is that a change that NA devs couldd do themselves w/o having to go thru KR LOL

[kindred frost]

WHAT IS THIS

[stable nymph]

shud b character.ai

[high smelt]

yes they can

every server's magic wardrobe is region-specific

[stable nymph]

why dont they make everything wardrobable 2 begin with

man tho mish after all the time i spent practicing iframe chaining last night

today i tried it in practice and i just

got pwnd every time LMAO

i forgot i just gave up b4 i got the timings down

[sinful anvil]

yeah so the duration of hit stun at 0% attack speed has always been different for every character. Low and behold, removing attack speed's ability to affect hit stun duration by making everyone's attack speed equal during hit stun means that some characters recover faster than others

[stable nymph]

wait rly

ig we always knew hitting elsoed from behind was like kinda iffy

[sinful anvil]

now I been said this, but Rena's base hit stun animation is probly among the slowest in the game. When you remove tumble and movement tech that manipulates ur recovery animations, she gets outtraded by virtually everyone and it's mad obnoxious lmao.

[sinful anvil]

yeah

[sinful anvil]

and yeah LOL

[sinful anvil]

i knew i wasnt crazy brh

always seems like nno matter what, if u get into a mutual hit-trading contest with any other character as rena u just lose LOL

i wonder whatt chungs is tbh

[stable nymph]

i feel like chung gets hitstund forever

but he also has his own heavy hitstun

[sinful anvil]

yeah he has a lot of delay hit-stun

or screen freeze hit stun

tbh idk what to call it

the type where when ur character gets hit, they get put into a sort of mini delay that only affects them

and they dont start their actual hit stun animation until that mini delay wears off

like flying kite

or CA's slap

LOL

or old first strike on GM

[sinful anvil]

and btw attack speed being static during hit stun also means that u can't INCREASE anyone else's hitstun duration with debuffs to make them easier to trade with

🙄

o no

eve's is giga slow 💀

core carry tbh

[dusk dock]

Mis

why you alays gotta

gatekeep

gaslight

and girlboss

everytime

I think I can be SS

LOL

[sinful anvil]

i havent queued yet tday

well i queued 2s 1nce i think

eves recovery 4 frames slower than renas

but bro

elesis

[dusk dock]

i literally fought me in 1s

i almost won

LOL

like 6 hours ago ofc

i didnt record tho

[sinful anvil]

is like 10 frame faster than both..

[dusk dock]

i dont like

recoring our matches

[sinful anvil]

or well 10 frame faster than eve, 7 frame faster than rena

[stable nymph]

r u testing both front/back hits

[dusk dock]

do you know Add's recovery frames

?

[sinful anvil]

yeah cuz LIKE I SAID

U PRESSED DEFIB

[dusk dock]

yeah

i dont use it anymore

[sinful anvil]

INSTEAD O FW/E

[sinful anvil]

nope

[dusk dock]

defib is good and all

[sinful anvil]

front hits only

[dusk dock]

but i like code yellow more

backshots on eve with defib go crazy tho

right @warm hornet

?

[sinful anvil]

well ur stacking defib so u shud keep pressing that...

[dusk dock]

i dont wanna

i want to be

a C.O.G.

Code Yellow
Okizeme
God

you MB my first Yellow?

have a second one

[sinful anvil]

not going to test laby cuz i dont feel like tilting anymore

[dusk dock]

just for your troubles

❤️

do you wanna test an add rn

im bored

[sinful anvil]

i am checking add rn

[dusk dock]

bet

can you post what you find here

pls and ty

[sinful anvil]

how slow

wdo we think

add OUGHT 2 b

🙄

[stable nymph]

i suspect hes on the fastr end?

[sinful anvil]

im talkn MORALLY

what speed u think he DESERVES

[dusk dock]

we think fast

uh

whats the measurement

2b?

[stable nymph]

ngl i dont think it rly matters bc in 2024 elsord everyone gets hitstunned long enough 4 sinhe park 2 step offscreen + do his taxes and then come bak 2 confirm

[dusk dock]

bro said sinhe park

[sinful anvil]

WRONG

[dusk dock]

im in tears

[stable nymph]

like whethr its eve or elesis every1 is hitstunned forever...

[sinful anvil]

ok and if 2ppl

get hit stunned

at the same time

[stable nymph]

then theyre both idiots 4 using normals in 2024

[dusk dock]

if its Add's z, we are cooked

[sinful anvil]

doesnt have to be from normals

literally everything hit stuns

LOL

[dusk dock]

but if its literally any x

we won

[stable nymph]

how can u get hitstund

if ur trading spactives o_O

[dusk dock]

ikr

[sinful anvil]

ur crazy

if u saying

hit stun duration doesnt matter

ok

if hit stun duration

doesnt matter

lets remove

the equalization

and let every1 cook w/ atk spd that affects our recovery again

LET IT ROCK

GLOVES OFF

[dusk dock]

hit stun duration was better on release Add

iykyk

[stable nymph]

like even tho eve has 1 of the longer 1s i cant rly say i ever think like

[sinful anvil]

ok asterisk it doesnt matter 4 eve cuz any graze procs core insta-win trade

[stable nymph]

dam i wish i recovered fastr

it's always just

dam i wish i hadnt gotten hit

[sinful anvil]

YES BUT U DONT GET 2 SAY THAT U AHGVE COR

[stable nymph]

LOL

[sinful anvil]

CORE

STOP IT

NAH NHHHH

o myt gfoddd this is the worst rabbit hole

the box shud have stayedd closed..

tbh maybe thats y uwere askin about b ack hit stun

[stable nymph]

like even precore eve it was less i wish i recovered fastr and more

[sinful anvil]

cuz "what's front hit from front??"
-eve pLAYR

[stable nymph]

idk why x class is so hard 2 combo

[sinful anvil]

cuz ur getting outtraded by a class with faster recovery than u 💀

[stable nymph]

like idk i feel like hitstun shud just b binary thing where w/e u wanna do shud either work on every1 or no1 wen it comes 2 combos/converts/etc

but that wasnt case w like tumble or elboy bak

4 trading i think is scuffed anyways bc if u trade it just goes in2 mash war

[sinful anvil]

add is almost same as rena

like slightly faster

i think???

tbh add's transition from recovery to actionable is super smooth

LOL

like for the others there's a super obvious "there it is"

ya add and rena r same

or within 1f of each other..

[sinful anvil]

that's still not the case

because characters have different recovery durations

and different launch heights

and different pushback distances and air hit stun animations

if ur character has small hitboxes and ur almost always in someone else's range when ur landing hits with them

this thing is a big deal, especially for stomps????

if ur character has a stomp

then u automatically care about recovery duration

eve rena add all seem 2 b near each other

elesis is just

10 frames faster for no reason

LOL

[stable nymph]

i think most of cast has tools that r so overtuned w base hitstun vs roided up aspd that none of those rly matter

[sinful anvil]

andm also didnt chung used to launch lower or something

idk if he still does

either launch lower or fall faster

[sinful anvil]

what does that evn mean...

if u get grazed

by something

which btw

is really easy

because of how big and all over ur screen hitboxes are atm

the amount of time u spend in recovery animation

is a huge deal

[stable nymph]

if u get grazed u shud b cooked regardless of ur animation...

[sinful anvil]

and 10 frames can EASILY be the diff between getting confirmed on or being able to mash out

[sinful anvil]

nope

cuz when it comes down to the margins

some characters have a huge advantage

to the point that the only solution is trying to outright avoid those margins

which is basikly what ur saying, but at that point we're already at a disadvantage bc if thigns ever get messy at all, the character w/ faster recovery has the clear advantage

[sinful anvil]

and dbtw

since launch heights are not fixed and very between characters

vary*

that means thtat certain skills with fixedd animation speeds (not affected by atk spd) might work off of a launch vs some characters and whiff vs others 2

if u have a skill

[stable nymph]

i still think things shundt b getting that messy 2 begin with & game is most usualy rps of spactive/superarmor/pce out trades until some1 chooses wrong or runs out of resources

[sinful anvil]

if u say so

[stable nymph]

i think like

first catches in 2s

have like

0 weight towards determining winner in most matchups

bc ppl do 0 dmg when unawakened & r just farming resources

tho which ppl participate in interactions early rly matters

[sinful anvil]

i dont evne kno where 2 start if ur trying 2 say that frame data is irrelevant but like that is the meme

big number = good LOL

[stable nymph]

no like 2024 elsord is just

so completely nuts

[sinful anvil]

these are fixed values

characters that receive a hard hit stun will always stagger for these durations

in every situation

no matter what

if CA yeets across the map and slaps your character

then uses a skill

nvm

[stable nymph]

like atm in 2s

any kind of neutral where those kinds of scrambls r relevant feel like irrelevant to match's actual outcome LOL

like wat does it mattr if u catch or get caught when u lose like maybe 30% of hp and then everyone starts taking turns 1tapping each other...

[sinful anvil]

its legi

legit

every scramble

not just

"those kinds of scrambls"

[stable nymph]

if im pushing spactives and my opponent is pushing spactives and 1 of us runs out of iframes and gets hit

idt hitstun animation has anything 2 do with whether or not

that guy is going 2 get pwned

hes just pwned LOL

[sinful anvil]

its just core pov brh

everytime

u get hit with eve skill

u get core

cored

there have been

countles ssituations

[stable nymph]

im not even looking for normal catches in 2024

[sinful anvil]

where i get grazed by eve core

and i think 2 myself

[stable nymph]

i dont think hitstun or core matters when i go to 100->0 someone for pushing a superarmor button

[sinful anvil]

if core dealt 5 hits instead of 6 i get out

or he i get that

or i punish that

[sinful anvil]

u said that u shud die if u get grazed

[stable nymph]

ya and in this case they die 4 less than that

[sinful anvil]

if that isnt core pov idk what is ok LOL

when u get graze by eve

core hits u for 6 additional hits

ofc u are dying off of any graze in that situ

and even then

often times

it's just barely

and uk what

in those "just barely" scenarios

playing elesis wudve gotten me the W

because 10 fewer frames of recovery

is just that big LOL

[stable nymph]

i feel like ur assuming core plays a part in my neutral when im just str8up telling u

i dont need to win neutral 2 win

games r closer 2 practice channel clownery than w/e ur thinking of

[sinful anvil]

r u on

[stable nymph]

no

[sinful anvil]

ok

[dusk dock]

i am

@sinful anvil

accept my friend request btw

;c

[empty ore]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FaQfeYXLThQ?feature=share

That Photon tracker on the end of the pit was diabolical.

[hollow hound]

When will they nerf that skill.

As well as Guardian Strike, and any other reliable nuke skills.

[dusk dock]

never

LOL

[hollow hound]

They could not let them rest in peace. 😂

[mystic elbow]

Photon compared to those nukes is rather tame

[dusk dock]

Defib clears.

[mystic elbow]

It does

[dusk dock]

unmod

😄

[mystic elbow]

Photon is only doing that dmg against a wall

Or splash

[dusk dock]

i actually tried mod Defib

its fun

[mystic elbow]

On one person w/o a wall its not doing that much

Compared to other burst nukes

[dusk dock]

guadian strike rtho

i dont like it

[mystic elbow]

Plus it easily procs shield

N gets clashed easily

[dusk dock]

hmm

[mystic elbow]

[hollow hound]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[dusk dock]

if i had to choose a nuke to delete

it would be

Defib

LOL

im a support class

[fiery lion]

dekomlev has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dusk dock]

😭

bottom one class in 2s apparently

[mystic elbow]

Id delete one nuke from each raven class

Hes bottom tier everywhere

[dusk dock]

id just delete Raven

he has no class

RH is sleep

2nd is sa

3rd is whatever

4th is just cancer

[hollow hound]

Every time I face a RH and a RV: ✝️

[mystic elbow]

Theyre all busted

[dusk dock]

yeah

i hate it

[mystic elbow]

FB just somehow being the least busted

Of the ravens

[dusk dock]

ikr

FB

[hollow hound]

x2.

[dusk dock]

if you dont spam super armor

has class

i like him alot

[hollow hound]

Laby has nukes?

[dusk dock]

uh

[mystic elbow]

EtW yes

TP yes

[dusk dock]

laby is like a cancer to me

slowly kills me inside

but shes cute so

[hollow hound]

Copium.

[dusk dock]

i live with it

she's female add

lets be real

[mystic elbow]

💀❓

[dusk dock]

im fr

[hollow hound]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[dusk dock]

movement

awk

system

come on guys

[mystic elbow]

Bros onto nothing i fear

[dusk dock]

LOL

maybe i am

[hollow hound]

💀👍

[dusk dock]

but i cant play her

sorry

too much hand holding

[hollow hound]

Delete the B A N K from pvp.

[dusk dock]

my only saving grace is that her awk doesnt groggy anymore

what bank

i need money

da faq

[mystic elbow]

[dusk dock]

o

nah shes uh

actually

yeah

shes too much

like

shes a support right

[hollow hound]

Yeh.

[dusk dock]

why is she supporting our downfall

😭

[hollow hound]

Idk if she has a nuke but sheesh.

[dusk dock]

nope

just oki

and screen lags

mostly screen lags

[mystic elbow]

Her heal is her nuke

[dusk dock]

what

the plegde stuff?

even solo?

[mystic elbow]

No thats vow

[dusk dock]

o ok

[mystic elbow]

Her raw heal skill is her nuke

[dusk dock]

hey

we should use cure in

1s

[hollow hound]

I have seen a lot of AVs in high ranks.

[dusk dock]

whats that one IGN

Protection?

[hollow hound]

Maybe is just a coincidence.

[dusk dock]

some AV man

idk

its just so easy for her

LOL

[mystic elbow]

AV is rly good

[dusk dock]

2nd path btw

[mystic elbow]

Idr if ppl consider her better than GB

But i think shes better than the other two

[dusk dock]

gb can nuke too

just takes too long

[mystic elbow]

GB also has iron body

[dusk dock]

yeah

we love sa in this household

[hollow hound]

I'd had a better time with MS than with AV.

[empty ore]

It isnt, that char is a setplay queen.

[dusk dock]

quick yall what's your worst MU

rn

dont say mirror

[empty ore]

Genesis

[hollow hound]

What is MU?

[dusk dock]

Laby 4th

match up

[hollow hound]

Ah.

Uhhh.

Anyone.

[dusk dock]

😭

[mystic elbow]

Mm

[dusk dock]

tha's valid fr

[mystic elbow]

Anyone made after 2019

2018*

[dusk dock]

anyone made before 2018

for me

laby 4th just annoys me to death

[mystic elbow]

Everyone just stays in the air

Or has superarmor

All the time

Cant deal with it

[empty ore]

Mad Paradox is also getting on my nerves these days

[cyan quail]

💀

[dusk dock]

MPx

remember when i was MPx

good times

[mystic elbow]

I nuke u bc u decided to go in SA

Suddenly im broken and need nerfs

Love that for me

[hollow hound]

Ah, see? Here is one. 💀

[dusk dock]

ok ok fine

2018

made or break game

how is game state now then

[mystic elbow]

[dusk dock]

one shot meta too much?

[mystic elbow]

2018 was

Rigo meta

[dusk dock]

i love rigo

i use it rn

[mystic elbow]

So everyone was tanky more than anything

If u didnt have rigo

[dusk dock]

i still got my violet

[empty ore]

Its funny, depsite Dom being good rn, I dont see many

[mystic elbow]

U pretty much coped

[dusk dock]

i just prefer ceru

[mystic elbow]

Cuz dominator SUCCKKSSSSS in pve rn

[empty ore]

Mainly cause his pve is butt- yep

[cyan quail]

Having good neutral vs specific matchups doesn't immediately make you a good character, neutral isn't everything in Elsword Online

[mystic elbow]

Top ten worse characters in pve

[dusk dock]

fund me job change x2 rn

ill go be top DoM

and dip

[cyan quail]

Especially how Lithia objectively has the worst escape skill in the game

And there's no close 2nd

[mystic elbow]

While Mpx is top five dps char in game

[hollow hound]

Do you remember when this GN skill, ummm... The one with the teleport... Was so broken?

[dusk dock]

yes

[empty ore]

That is true, somehow even beats out Ain's LOL

[dusk dock]

AD had one too

[hollow hound]

A GN won a tournament with that.

[dusk dock]

mhmm

[mystic elbow]

Still broken just not completely free anymore

He got 2nd

AD won

[dusk dock]

Ad clears

[hollow hound]

Oh.

[dusk dock]

Add clears too but ya know

[mystic elbow]

But theyre like the same char

[hollow hound]

So it was an AD.

[dusk dock]

not the time for that discussion

[hollow hound]

Welp, I think that's the reason I thought it was the GN who won.

[cyan quail]

Like whenever I win on AV when I think back on its mostly just skill issue on the enemy part

[hollow hound]

😴

[mystic elbow]

I think it was close though?

[cyan quail]

There r so many better characters I could b doing better on

[dusk dock]

how did we let an Add class reign supreme in pvp

again

like come on

[mystic elbow]

Cuz Dominator flew under radar

[dusk dock]

was base Add not a good enough remainder

[mystic elbow]

For years?

[dusk dock]

or am i tripping

[hollow hound]

Like who?

[dusk dock]

the PvE class that cant even PvE

poetic

[mystic elbow]

Well

[empty ore]

CS

[mystic elbow]

He was fine in pve

Until recently

[dusk dock]

yeah

[cyan quail]

For reference, whenever I see tierlists go from S to F most of my friends rank her D

[dusk dock]

the master skill

[mystic elbow]

He had the highest dmg output

In pvp

Pve*

[dusk dock]

right?

[mystic elbow]

yes

[dusk dock]

they had to normalize that move dawg

i see the vision

[mystic elbow]

But bc of that he still required high erp

[cyan quail]

So pretty much almost the entire cast?

[dusk dock]

like 400?

[mystic elbow]

I think the master skill was fine

[dusk dock]

or 300?

[mystic elbow]

He needed 550

[cyan quail]

If ur talking 1s tho it changes

[mystic elbow]

The master skill makes him use a lot of mp

[dusk dock]

WHAT

[hollow hound]

1s.

[mystic elbow]

So he needed mpr and mp +2

Along with the normal things

[dusk dock]

ok

this is not ok

LOL

[mystic elbow]

Now that they nerfed him hes nust

Just

Bad

In pve

[dusk dock]

when you find out your GOAT is washed 💔

[mystic elbow]

Like MtM

[cyan quail]

I'd rank her B or C in 1s

[dusk dock]

https://tenor.com/view/vtpl-okbh-gif-11786461521017801967

[cyan quail]

Too feedy, no escape skill

[hollow hound]

I need more MP Cost Red.

[dusk dock]

i use 18% minimum

[cyan quail]

Gets meatied by some random stuff, unable to interact with any of the top tier chars

[dusk dock]

lemme check how much i got now

almost 19%

ya im gucci

[cyan quail]

No escape skill is one of her biggest flaws, you are unable to press it vs any Eve Laby Elboy Chung

[dusk dock]

B> Dignity stones

no cap

im online

hmu

[cyan quail]

Unless they're far enough so they can't confirm off it

[hollow hound]

I feel like I don't gain any mana in 1s.

[mystic elbow]

Even my mana drain can hit lithia out of her esc

[dusk dock]

@mystic elbow am i doing this right?

[hollow hound]

I usually loose because I am out of mana and my HP is in like 1%, and my oponent is at 1% too but has more mana.

[mystic elbow]

Why on SK..

[dusk dock]

because

[hollow hound]

[dusk dock]

i like the way it looks

[cyan quail]

Are they tanking you until KD or you just don't gain enough?

[dusk dock]

20% MP cost

[mystic elbow]

[dusk dock]

i won

dont worry about it Cass

is 8% the highest

[mystic elbow]

It literally

Goes away

Its temp

[dusk dock]

and

[hollow hound]

I gain mana when hit but then I have to mb and is all gone.

[dusk dock]

?

[mystic elbow]

Y we using dignity stones on temp gear

[hollow hound]

Well, most of it.

[cyan quail]

That's the way it goes

[dusk dock]

cuz they came with free crit

anyway

[cyan quail]

I'm asking about ur opponents

[mystic elbow]

[dusk dock]

my mind is an mystery

dw

[cyan quail]

Do they tank you until they KD?

[mystic elbow]

Not a good one

[dusk dock]

ik

doesnt have to be

👍

ok time to rank up i guess

oh hold

[hollow hound]

I don't gain enough, plus my commands feeds them a lot of mana.

[dusk dock]

someone is messaging me

[cyan quail]

That's odd, Eve's XX→X is pretty good gain

[dusk dock]

Eve is fun. i love her class

cant play her tho

😭

[cyan quail]

As long as you're able to manage KD it shouldn't be an issue

[dusk dock]

@warm hornet

teach me your ways

[cyan quail]

You could try X dropping. XXX looping against a wall or anywhere if you're confident enough, or stalling KD with Core procs

[dusk dock]

i want to alt a different character

but idk who

[hollow hound]

It's a KD problem.

[dusk dock]

suggestions?

[cyan quail]

KD plays a very big deal in 1v1

[cyan quail]

Yeah u have to do these

Any of those 3 really

[dusk dock]

might just go back to my roots as 3rd Rena

[mystic elbow]

TW sucks

Hf w/ that

[dusk dock]

WHAT

[hollow hound]

When I try x looping, like 3 in a row, mu oponent kds.

[cyan quail]

Bc if they're able to get away with tanking ur only other option is to just nuke them mid combo... And that's so unreliable because they might just break right before if they get used to it

[dusk dock]

name three issues rn

[mystic elbow]

KD, lack of booms, lackluster neutral

[dusk dock]

wind 4, oki, and chest

gotcha

[cyan quail]

Are you also pressing Tesla off CD?

[mystic elbow]

Wind 4 isnt helping her kd

Typically u oki USING BOOMS

[dusk dock]

just use her traps

[fiery lion]

dekomlev has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mystic elbow]

Thats y u got smoked

[dusk dock]

o

no i frames

[cyan quail]

Because 3 XXXs is absolutely not KD limit

[dusk dock]

i see the problem

[cyan quail]

I've already tested it

[hollow hound]

I press tesla sometimes, especially for time stops.

[dusk dock]

DekuXD lives on

ok

;c

[cyan quail]

I mean Tesla Shock

It reduces KD

[mystic elbow]

But TW has dmg so she has that going for her

[hollow hound]

Ah, yeah.

[mystic elbow]

[hollow hound]

I use tesla shock.

[dusk dock]

woo

is it normals

actives

or SA?

[hollow hound]

I would like a private sesson with you in sparr one day.

[mystic elbow]

Everything she does has a good bit of dmg on them

[dusk dock]

yay

time to have some fun

[mystic elbow]

Like ppl are still gonna have to manabreak u

[dusk dock]

ofc

you do realize ppl MBing is good

😄

[cyan quail]

If anything you can do XXXs in sets of two instead, since doing a third one immediately also didn't do well for me, you can fit in a XX→X after and then XXX again

[mystic elbow]

Yes but every char has that

[cyan quail]

Obviously fitting Tesla Shocks in between

[dusk dock]

exactly

i dont mb

😄

[mystic elbow]

And thats assuming the TW has any kind of gear

[dusk dock]

oh

my gear

eh

rigomor

violet

[cyan quail]

I'm free rn if u want, tho I'm on CS rn

[mystic elbow]

If its Sage’s TW

[dusk dock]

sage?

i gotta use sage

?

[mystic elbow]

The FB player

Sage

[dusk dock]

OH

you mean that FB

[hollow hound]

Sadly, I can't join rn because I am at work.

[mystic elbow]

Yes

[dusk dock]

i fought him once

[cyan quail]

Np

[mystic elbow]

Their TW

Is +12 maxed out

[hollow hound]

😢

[mystic elbow]

So hes gonna do a lot of dmg

[dusk dock]

he is the epitome of gear carried

sorry

[cyan quail]

Bro Sages TW gear is such goals

[dusk dock]

pls no

[mystic elbow]

Matches vs his FB are just so long

[dusk dock]

if i +12

[mystic elbow]

His gear is good yea

[dusk dock]

i dont wanna play this game anymore

[cyan quail]

He makes TW playable with that type of gear

[mystic elbow]

195 title

+12

600 erp

[dusk dock]

like you need +12 to make a class playable

[mystic elbow]

What more do u need

[dusk dock]

ok buddy

brb +13 my FoJ

[sinful anvil]

they should make airelinna tick you out of delays again

[gilded slate]

Lithia escape skill makes me cry, like dawg its 2024 why is it so bad? I thought new chars were supposed to have good things.

[cyan quail]

TW is just a really good character with horrible KD

[sinful anvil]

use it as a special active parry

🙄

[mystic elbow]

Parry?

In my christian elsword?

I think not.

[cyan quail]

It's ok just press it when you get fogged

It feels like an actual escape skill then

[gilded slate]

[mystic elbow]

Unless we are talking about the platypus

https://tenor.com/view/perry-perrytheplatypus-platypus-phineasandferb-phineas-gif-20072490

[dusk dock]

i miss

counter

from elboi

it was so heat

[mystic elbow]

I wish Aps counter was good

[sinful anvil]

lithia have 5 escape skill just press v 😬

[mystic elbow]

Being told that Aps counter is better than ANs makes me a special type of angry

[cyan quail]

Wat

[dusk dock]

BRO

LITHIA ESCAPE

WHY DOES IT DEAL DMG??????????

[cyan quail]

R those the people that press getup Z or X?

[sinful anvil]

facts

[cyan quail]

I don't see the reality otherwise...

[sinful anvil]

shje summon the rift on u

[dusk dock]

im crying

hi Mishani

did i spell it right

idk anymore

[mystic elbow]

Yea

[sinful anvil]

howdy

[dusk dock]

how was the Add frame testing

[cyan quail]

I've killed 2 people with it in my whole arena history

[dusk dock]

anything notieworhty?

[cyan quail]

Wanna know how many times it's got me killed

[gilded slate]

Its funny when it does kill someone highkey.

[dusk dock]

100 times

[gilded slate]

Its like oh.

[mystic elbow]

I remember when aras esc sucked

[gilded slate]

Biggest disrespect is dying to Lithia escape.

[cyan quail]

Probably more, I got more arena matches than that

[mystic elbow]

So glad we’re out of those days

[sinful anvil]

AN's counter wasn't even supposed 2 b a 'counter' it was just supposed to reflect projectiles

[dusk dock]

new char privledge i guess

[mystic elbow]

Is the priv in the room with us

[sinful anvil]

but no 1 wants to run in front of projectiles with no armor and press a skill with 9yrs startup

so they give it armor....

[mystic elbow]

[cyan quail]

Bro my moneybag active got Reflected by AN

Why does it interact with my 2024 character

[mystic elbow]

Keep in mind im pretty sure Rose esc also does dmg no?

While also being better as an esc skill

[dusk dock]

i can ask Raiden

[empty ore]

It reflected my feedy missle back at me 😭

[cyan quail]

I guess they really made them skills better back in the old days...

[gilded slate]

Better than watching your attacks get eaten by HR.

[mystic elbow]

Who

[empty ore]

Im sure RK would interact will all of TP's projectiles tho

cause HR eats em all

[dusk dock]

Cass

i know you didnt just say that

LOL

[sinful anvil]

ngl whenever ig et matched against other renas it makes me think rena is a pretti funny character

i wonder if ppl think that about me....

👀

[mystic elbow]

I did

[dusk dock]

😭

brb bookin a hotel with KR rn

[sinful anvil]

tbh probly not

cuz i think aisha is ufnny 2

but ppl h8 aisha

[mystic elbow]

Every char is hated for one reason or another

👁️

[cyan quail]

Also you meant for now*

[gilded slate]

I just hate clocking chars in general.

[mystic elbow]

Is that going away or smth

[sinful anvil]

only scrubs hate rena

[cyan quail]

Her superarmor is getting deleted next week 😭

[mystic elbow]

Oh good

[cyan quail]

Or whenever we get the patch that turns all healers into hybrid

Deserved tbf

No skill should be giving team stoic

Especially some dam active

[sinful anvil]

does pr still keep hers

[cyan quail]

Yeah

[sinful anvil]

tbh remember when they buffed iron body to give team stoic

and the krs raged

so they reverted it asap

[mystic elbow]

Meanwhile Surya also has a team stoic button but it costs 6 energy or more to get it and it smokes your mana

[cyan quail]

That one's super short tho, and on a strength

[sinful anvil]

but then

[cyan quail]

I'd give hers a pass

[mystic elbow]

Love equality

[gilded slate]

KoG LOVES to sneak stuff in that everyone hates.

[sinful anvil]

whoever's idea it was in the kr office

[cyan quail]

But if we tackling them all down she might as well go down as well

[gilded slate]

Theyll be like okay okay we wont add that... yet.

[sinful anvil]

that guy must thnk he is gods gift 2 the elsword

b ecause he went and put team stoic on every other skill instead

👍

[empty ore]

Just blame dongshin lee like we all do

[mystic elbow]

I blame KR players

[cyan quail]

I remember when Base Eve had a juggling combo which would've made it INFINITELY better to KD manage

[sinful anvil]

is dongshin lee the current director

[cyan quail]

But the KRs have the wildest takes man

On a command they raw never used anyway

[mystic elbow]

Friendly reminder that the reason BQ keeps getting buffed is cuz KR thinks she sucks

[cyan quail]

Same goes for Ain

[gilded slate]

Well you gotta remember PvE>PvP.

[mystic elbow]

She doesnt suck anywhere

Shes amazing in pve

[fiery lion]

.skwrl. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[cyan quail]

Nobody's playing Ain so he keeps getting buffed

[gilded slate]

And they dont wanna respect the tooltip sep they implemented 500 years ago.

[sinful anvil]

they been booty isnce forever but i think the

game

has been changed 2 like

reflect

the way korean players

have been playingh els since d1......

[cyan quail]

Rn base Ain neutral is just very slightly worse CA neutral tiers of braindead

Perma superarmor makes me want to jump off hopes bridge

[sinful anvil]

i need to make a suggestion post

and ask our NA saviors 2 add Black Dragon accessories to magic wardrovbe

y we got the ugly golden dragon accs in there

[gilded slate]

Gl with that.

[sinful anvil]

but not the crispy black dragon ones???

@gilded slate u need 2 upvote it dont leave me hang.,......

get it

hang

cuz wardrobe

😂

[gilded slate]

I asked for my V-Day Teddy to be in MW ages ago and they just released another one thats MW-able on 4th of July.

[fiery lion]

.skwrl. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sinful anvil]

LMAO

WAIT

[gilded slate]

So I just expect every 4th of July theyll just re-release some old junk.

[sinful anvil]

I WANTED THE V-DAY TEDDY TO BE MW'D TOO

the valentines dya one rgiht????

[gilded slate]

Yeah.

[sinful anvil]

uhad to be gifted

YEAH THAT ONE IS FIRE IDK WHY IT'S NOT IN MW

[gilded slate]

The og one cant be MW'd, but they made another one specifically for the event that was MW-able.

So now I got two.

And the new one isnt even named properly.

[mystic elbow]

Another friendly reminder tht they re-released a costume that couldnt be mw’d and it still cant

[cyan quail]

They released the OG sailor costumes in the IM through packages a few years ago, but it couldn't be added in the wardrobe; when I sent a CS ticket they said they didn't say it would b in the post

So now I'm like dam.

[sinful anvil]

some1 needa win 1 of these raiden events

and then beg him MW their favorite item

🤔

[gilded slate]

Pain.

[cyan quail]

Imagine if someone was naive enough to get the package only for it to not b wardrobable

Poor soul

[sinful anvil]

LOL/??/

also are sailor costumes not in the IM anymore???

bro

ok

why is

whjy has the entire IM

[cyan quail]

Yeah they arent

[sinful anvil]

been removed

anyway???

there's legit

like nothing there

we used to have so amny csotumes in it

LOL

many*

[cyan quail]

I've been had Eve's since forever and I got excited when they brought it back

But I still couldn't add it

[sinful anvil]

like if u saw a new player who didnt have any IB's they'd still b decked out in some IM drip

[gilded slate]

Tragic Wardrobe.

[sinful anvil]

https://youtu.be/Q9nBhTPzS8I?si=46Bov0tpObVv7EET

dam u peep the guild name 2

YALL R WELCOME

🙄

[dusk dock]

old as hell

Mishani

why does this have

like

no KD

LOL

[sinful anvil]

cuz they gave base rena rena >>^Z 0 kd

which like np cuz krs wud just >>Z anyway so 😐

[dusk dock]

i see

gg

no re

ez clap

best opener

you cooked

[stable nymph]

cbs looks rly gross in kr meta

i think in na at +11 a lot of folks can kinda just tank her

actually maybe not idk it feels like theres a huge variance in how much dmg 11 folks do

abysstix go hard…

[dark wind]

she is not tankable at all

char pressures too much with mp and does mad cmd dmg