u would think WS wud get more luv bro taekwondo their national sport over there 🙄
#pvp
stable nymph
diference between devs working 2 draw in new players vs phoning it in 2 extract value out of existing 1s
sinful anvil
her original standing Z round house actually made her hurtbox sway back, and the >>XZZ the jumping back kick counter the way it just popped out at u and sent u flying LOL
whoever didd thast knew about some kicks brh its os lame
sinful anvil
diference between devs working 2 draw in new players vs phoning it in 2 extract ...
yeah
stable nymph
bak when raven had cool launches like rf djzxx and xxvx and ground impact or bm xzz...
stable nymph
god bles hickeys
actually i need some hlep 2
so i have this hair that i thought looked like it had potential but i rnged into PINK which makes me look like a yugio villain aka unusable and im getting kinda bothered by how like... how boringish and uniform it is on top
i think im kinda limited in my headwear options because the rabbit + carrot might b NON NEGOTIABLE
is there a color that can salvage this hair
willow mural
black...
sinful anvil
and just like that
5 el towers done
bro
this morning
i burned through over 15 res stones ohn this thing
LOL
celest ore
got bodied by hennon eh
celest ore
celest ore
the guy that lasted one year is the one who broke the game the most
if you were curious
stable nymph
was he the guy who came up with diabolic esper
bc if not i dont really think he has anything on our boi kwon o dang
stable nymph
he made pve in2 mobile game levels of effort which is probably wat kept pve alive 4 whales
celest ore
yeah probably ig
stable nymph
did kwon o dang do ANYTHING good 4 the game...
celest ore
no but yes
stable nymph
our boi o dang was responsible for everything ara and beyond
celest ore
his last character woulda been luciel i think
stable nymph
ara/elesis/add/luciel
celest ore
💀
stable nymph
lee dong shin came up with laby...
im sry but lee seung heon 2 me looks like the 1 that did the least dmg LOL
he was responsible for...ain?
celest ore
rose i think 💀
celest ore
SQUIDWARD
stable nymph
1 rose player
celest ore
i actually like rose a lot its just funny the director i have a grudge against made the character all of kr hates or something
stable nymph
im going 2 assume rose and ain were like much bettr balanced than any of kwon o dangs projects
sinful anvil
the guy that lasted one year is the one who broke the game the most
YO
THAT'S INSANE
LOL
NAH WAIT
nah nah
2016~current
whoever did renewals
like who was director DURING 2016
ik kwon oh dang left for kurtzpel
celest ore
ok so basically lee seung heon is the one who dreamed up heroic equipments and beyond and that was the status quo shift that killed commands being usable in pve
thats my grudge
stable nymph
o so he turned the game from like casual social mmo with not a lot 2 do in pve and easily achievabl hypermaxed gear
to endless grind
he kept the game alive ig
celest ore
nah the guy AFTER that did that
he just made weird gear while still having no content
sinful anvil
our boi o dang was responsible for everything ara and beyond
idk tbh
torch was not transferreed vry well
stable nymph
he had the idea but funny execution...
celest ore
oh yeah he’s also responsible for the implementation of erp we got which our current director thinks is actually terrible but too late to fix
stable nymph
LOL
sinful anvil
oh wait trans was 2016
we dk who was director DURING 2016
2015-2016
2016~onward
like does tha tmean
beginning of 2016 he left
or
hee was there for 2016
then left at end
celest ore
lemme see if theres more exact dates
sinful anvil
stable nymph
honestly tho if they hadnt introduced erp
celest ore
but im pretty sure it was like late 2015 to
mid-late 2016
stable nymph
i think game meitv died around then bc there was just
nothing to do
in part because
imo elsord was more of pvp centric game bak
but no1 wanted to pvp anymore after trans LOL
celest ore
oh erp is actually a good idea i just think it could have been done a lot better
sinful anvil
no one wanted to pvp after renewals dude....
stable nymph
like nothing to do in pve and pvp just feels awful
was renewals saem time as trans
idr the timeline
stable nymph
but renewals was def the nail in the coffin...
sinful anvil
at some point
stable nymph
all the feels good stuff getting removed 4 watered down ez nonsense
sinful anvil
during that same year
was when they removed the MP + cooldown loss
for being hit during skill startup
in my memory that was the true
death sentence
stable nymph
they remove tumble but give every1 a deadlier form of it LMAO
sinful anvil
all the feels good stuff getting removed 4 watered down ez nonsense
yeah and for reasons
that
boggle my mind
like to this day
stable nymph
nah ppl were already dirty mashers b4 then...
sinful anvil
there used2 b tthe 7 wonders of elrios
ok
this is the 8th wonder
they were dirty mashers but you got punished for it
stable nymph
if u ever played in call w kirbyblader whenevr he's in combo u just hear TAPTAPTATPTAPTAP
mashing on his burning rush LMAO
sinful anvil
i dont remmeber ever having kirby BR
mid combo
LOL
maybe i iaghve
BUT STILL
idt old BR had a cool down
it's like mashing siege
which we used 2 do a lot
celest ore
all the feels good stuff getting removed 4 watered down ez nonsense
in regards to character handling or just content?
sinful anvil
yeah
stable nymph
char handling
sinful anvil
in regards to character handling or just content?
character handling and animations and all that
but that skill cancel removal was the beginning of the end
celest ore
😔 yeah i remember things feeling different after i came back to the game
sinful anvil
it fundamentally changed the way pvp is played in els
stable nymph
eating bakflip shot arrows w ^z felt so anime
sinful anvil
and there have been more changes to do that since then
but that was the first of its kind for sure
sinful anvil
eating bakflip shot arrows w ^z felt so anime
that was crazy
someone ^z into u
into your bfs
stable nymph
and she wud b VULNERABLE?? after pushing her iframe button?
sinful anvil
and she wud b VULNERABLE?? after pushing her iframe button?
yeah, I made a video on like day 1 of renewal release
about frame 1 BFS invulnerability being back
LOL
stable nymph
meanwhile in 2024 if u try 2 contest some1 pushing their panic button there is good chance u get killed 4 it
celest ore
man i just get mashed on and blown to smithereens
i just expect it cant even be mad
i signed up for this game
sinful anvil
being rewarded for hitting someone out of a skill's startup
stable nymph
some1 pushes their panic button and ur best play is 2 just
stable nymph
stand next 2 them for a moment
and then leave
and hope they blow resources trying 2 contest u contesting them
sinful anvil
99% of fighting games is it not
nto that
elsord
is a 'fighting game'
but
just saying
ok
we dont have to use fighting games as an example
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
celest ore
is a 'fighting game'
i believe the genre is anime simulator
stable nymph
it's not anime 2 have ur ULTIMATE MOVE canceled by a weenie move
what's more anime than pulling out ur ULTIMATE MOVE against all odds
sinful anvil
SAY IM PLAYING MAGE AND I CAST A BIG FAT SPELL
IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE MELEES AND EVERYONE
stable nymph
like when i tanked u
sinful anvil
I JUST START CASTING FIREBALL
stable nymph
for like 2 minutes straight
and then i got up
and u reflect kicked me
and then i tanked u for another 2 minutes straight
sinful anvil
AND FIREBALL HAS A 3 SECOND CAST TIME
stable nymph
and then i got up
and u reflect kicked me again
and then i tanked u for another 2 minutes straight
sinful anvil
AND DURING MY CAST TIME, SOMEONE HITS ME WITH A CC THAT STUNS ME AND STOPS MY CAST
sinful anvil
imagine now as soon as that stun wears off, i can just press fireball immediately afterwards and cast it again
like it makes no sense from the perspective of ANY game
the only punish is death
stable nymph
makes sense 2 me, i worked hard 4 that mp so i should get 2 use it
sinful anvil
that's what normals are for in elsword
stable nymph
it's also not very anime if i can miss so that's why all buttons r full map now
sinful anvil
unlike other mmos where ur sol if u have no cds
elsord u have normals always available
stable nymph
also dam cn combos used 2 look so cool
celest ore
like it makes no sense from the perspective of ANY game
i don’t know when this change happened but yeah just sounds like another thing implemented to help streamline pve skill unga bunga
sinful anvil
i don’t know when this change happened but yeah just sounds like another thing i...
so cringe dude
imagine having to respect hits
attacks*
and yeah
celest ore
many such cases 😔
sinful anvil
cn combos were peak
stable nymph
whoever adjusted the %s on eves normals
celest ore
kog wants so badly to be a mobile game dev but that doesnt even work cause elsword has too many buttons
stable nymph
and made dxz not worth using
is the true worst director
b4 dxz was 75% launch + 100%/hit spear so u rly wanted to do the followup spears
and now it's like
500% launch + 100%/hit spear
so it's like
why wud u ever do anything but repeated dx LOL
celest ore
just do guardians forest or whatever its called
celest ore
though maybe bring someone along for the boss if you have no homing skills
sinful anvil
to setup
for exp
to do it
i reset my erp
and put teh exp points into asd
to ge tmore cp
LOL
stable nymph
LOL
so i think what will does to prepare for master quest is like
he farms a void weapon
and does the phoru stuff for +10? amulet 4 that void weapon
celest ore
you might have erp point reset coins from achievement rewards, dont forget to check those too if you haven’t
stable nymph
nah idt u need to bother resetting erp for that char
just consider it scuffed aka no farming on that char
and next 1 u keep the exp erp and farm on that instead
celest ore
he farms a void weapon
ideally on a different character if possible cause lmao void dungeon stamina burn
stable nymph
professor phoru will b ur god 4 making cp requirements
but might be good 2 ask will how he prepares chars 4 master class since hes done it a lot
sinful anvil
ok clered
celest ore
i do minimal prep work, try to queue into a trosh party thats farming, and hope they dont notice me doing no damage
sinful anvil
cleared*
celest ore
oh yeah and i finish off the rigo runs with 5x grotto from party finder
and if it takes me more than a day ill do 5 grotto again tbh
celest ore
not even that honestly
i like to rank it by how much stamina it burns before you drop
average for me is about 40% i think 💀
sinful anvil
what the point of bank share if all the new accessories adn stuff
r not bank shareable
LOL
ig u dont have to male urself
celest ore
theres an entire class of item thats tradeable but not bankable
literally just to be annoying
sinful anvil
r crit and maxi worth same cp?
celest ore
crit is worth significantly more yeah
celest ore
well they prob start out about the same but i think it scales hard cause of crit damage
willow mural
The most useful cp yea
celest ore
hmmm i think so yeah
willow mural
U also have stuff like awk duration/charge and add dmg that inflate but they're trash
celest ore
^ yeah the awakening ones inflate a lot too but
i dont think theyre any better than crit
noble pelican
Putting crit on your imprints can help too, right?
celest ore
yeah it does
sinful anvil
willb siad
the growth guide to get u +10 void amulet would propb do it
- the tempa ccs it gives u ubt idk if those r banjk shareablke...
stable nymph
a lot of them are not going 2 b bank shareabl aka u need 2 do the phoru stuf on char u want ur cp on..
stable nymph
pvp made me forget my tirnog dailies
they shouldn't let u queue until u've finished ur hws :/
sinful anvil
i kchanged it IM OVER IT
but then after i kchanged
i notice
"retired elrianode armor cube" in my inv
i open it
+100k cp
😐
but that was tiklt
this time
im pay attetnion
to professor pho..
cuz trosh also gets ed
wait YR is the bugatti tbh hello
energy wave gaming...
cyan quail
they shouldn't let u queue until u've finished ur hws :/
Yeah then imagine gacha dailies into the equation
Azur Lane, HSR, Genshine, Wuwa
Why does playing games feel like work/hw
sinful anvil
YO YR IS PVE LUXURY
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
WDH
sinful anvil
first
energy wave
then rak inferno
LOL
why is this tihng 87% def
i might just rawdog 3rd job w/ th is...
is it just me or does elrianode kinda su ck
the dungeons before elrianode?
kool
the dungeons after elrianode/
?
kool
elrianode???
🤢
lLIKE TELL ME ATLAS ISNT CLEAN
stable nymph
im sry mish but atlas and elysion give me aids
sinful anvil
U DONT THINK THEY'RE COOL???
dam....
ok mayb they give u aids cuz 100 ms ok
surely if u were nto INCUMBERED
btw did they get rtid of the
free 7d ay quick slot quest
stable nymph
idk but they give me aids bc theyre tankier so is harder 2 1shot map while leveling
sinful anvil
idk but they give me aids bc theyre tankier so is harder 2 1shot map while level...
this the reason i didnt like elrianode 💀
buoyant folio
:7_blush:
stable nymph
huh how does arena hp actually work? it seems to be around 1.5x as much as ui hp based on hero's sacrifice
dull forum
huh how does arena hp actually work? it seems to be around 1.5x as much as ui hp...
The stat window is a lie
stable nymph
yeah, ig what i'm confused about r like
- does capped ui hp imply capped actual hp
- does adding X amount of ui hp result in arena hp going up by exactly X as well?
kindred frost
me: gets my butt beat on elsword
"I hate this game"
"Im done, im not playing this anymore!"
"There are so many games I could be playing, and better use of my time"
resubs to ffxiv
plays
"This is my new start, my charcter redemption arc"
"oh its 8 pm, arenas probably popping"
relogs to begin the vicious cycle
stable nymph
i did some lazy testing for 2 and it seems like adding X hp does not increase arena hp by X, but not by a large enough factor of x to match the same proportional gain you'd see in ui
kindred frost
whats x hp?
dark wind
yeah, ig what i'm confused about r like
1. does capped ui hp imply capped actual...
It scales by ranking for the most part especially in 2s, not sure by how much and no socketing the x amount of hp doesn’t reflect
cyan quail
afaik only thing that scales by ranking now is just champion accessories' stats
It's just a flat HP multiplier once you head into arena
So if you increase it by say 10k it's not a flat 10k HP increase in match
But rather 12k or whatever multiplier it is
Also UI stats are bugged anyways, for like the past month or so; it doesn't reflect the actual HP nor attack values you should be having
It's like something broke
A month ago I used to be 82k matk, now i'm 50.9k in stat window
Same thing for HP, 760k went down to around 700k HP in stat window
pls fix
abstract yacht
I honestly never understood the 50% HP max from the stat.
that crap feels like it has no limits
especially when LuCiel exists
stable nymph
https://www.twitch.tv/pchuu_ do u c this mish
stable nymph
LYNN VS PEGGLEPUS
sinful anvil
512K OF PURE POWER
stable nymph
LOL
stable nymph
huh
stable nymph
uhh i can ask if other folks wanna trosh but tbh i kinda wanna watch more laby vs laby LOL
stable nymph
i played more neutral in like 1 game of 2013 elsoed than like a coupl hrs of today
huh no it's ongoing
kindred frost
I really hate it when people start getting mad at me in the party chat
mental rose
o r they running 2s
stable nymph
when i win it doesnt even feel like a win bc
literaly just pushing psactives
meanwhiel labys out here WORKING
is pegglepus not the reincarnation of 2013 lameduck
ok not this game pegglepus got done dirty
shell surge
I really hate it when people start getting mad at me in the party chat
kinda hard not to when u keep making me lose my mp
sinful anvil
we needa get the 100ms delay out before we can even talk about seriously leveraging mechanics in a difficult 2s game imo...
cuz
stuff happens way too fast
stable nymph
i thought laby was the herald of the end but she here 2 ushr in new beginings...
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
stable nymph
who cares about 100ms delay wen ur normals r just good enough 2 make up 4 it
kindred frost
kinda hard not to when u keep making me lose my mp
ill just play back then.
sinful anvil
i wqas supposed 2 make a vdo asbout it
instead
somehow
i brian infiltrated
in2 KILLING MOBS
brain*
sinful anvil
who cares about 100ms delay wen ur normals r just good enough 2 make up 4 it
every 4th path
apparently
lOL
ITS CRAZY BECUASE IT RELALY DOES SEEM LIKE 4TH PATH NORMALS ARE MDE WITH 100 MS IN MIND
LOL
stable nymph
nah they get like 1 or 2 useful buttons but laby has whole kit
sinful anvil
the way they linger around for so long
in so much space
s[pecifically
the 1stp ath laby
stable nymph
dude laby okid me with just raw xs and i was like :OOO
stable nymph
like i used 2 do that w electronbals
sinful anvil
we removed nature force
because it unfairly made ws's hitboxes too big
apparently
sinful anvil
(its not that they were too big its' that they extended to the edge of the nature particle effect, and hte colour tapers off at the edges)
but now fast ofrward we have laby whose special resource gives her giganto invisible normals
LOL
like LITERALLY having resource extends her hitboxes wya b eyond whats visible
purposefully
like
bro
l
OL
CRAZY CUZ you know, nature force hitbox extension on wind sneaker wsa actually one of the best examples of someone actually play testing the character before releasing it
stable nymph
wen lyn does that uppercut in2 juggle combo im just like :OOOOO
sinful anvil
it was really clear that the nasture force hitbox buff was given precisely to make up for the scenarios where her legs were too small to reach opponents bc rena's kicks aer kinda scuffed range-wise
by default
stable nymph
tbf i dont like the idea that hitboxes shud need any help from kit 2 function
like ga deserves 2 have functional normals 2...
sinful anvil
they WERE functional
for GA
GA didn't have a bunch of melee extensions that required a meatier hitbox
if u traded with GA's stomp
it would KD you
lOL
i thought nf was really cool as ac oncept and the w ay it was implemented practically
AND BTW
ECODE U KNOW WHAT THE GOONS
USED TO SAY
THEY USED TO SAY
"Nature force is way too strong and versatile for only 15 mp"
"It gives her great damage, great KD ratios, extends the range of her hitboxes and is an amazing catching tool at close range"
like ok
it costs 15mp
stable nymph
atm it feels like every1 is playing ga and laby is playing ws...
i dont wanna camp entangle T_T
i wanna get in there...
sinful anvil
but the effect quite literally reduces your mp gain by 25% on every hit in season 2, and in season 1 it outright STOPPED your kicking mp gain
LOL
peope never talked about that
you gained 0 mp per hit
for nature force combos
so ppl saying "it only cost 15 mp" were cooked. EVery hit u land with NF is mp ur not gaining that counts towards its cost
u deal spec active damage by the end of an NF combo, but u paid mp proportional 2 h ow long ur combo was 😒
lame h tey removed....
now it's just the free damage buff that theres no reason for u to ever not have up..
omg sry rena tangent i have a problem uwu
sinful anvil
yypuupppp
stable nymph
OHHH IT'S THE DREAM TEAM
PEGGLEPUS N LYNN
im sry berri but i cant b rootin against pegglepus...
sinful anvil
that's also wyhy even tho sharpfall was busted since day 1 u rarely ever saw WS's use it s1, bc nature force bomos nudered ur mp gain and it cost 150mp. Making it to 100 as WS was like makin git to 200+ for other chars LOL
isnt peggle
isaiah
stable nymph
wait really
sinful anvil
ya
stable nymph
i didnt think he'd be the type 2 build full egirl
does isaia main suport in overwat
shell surge
bro
sinful anvil
@shell surge isaiah is peggle right
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
@stable nymph is nek aptera
stable nymph
speaking of isaia
why is there a chung w his ign
yes
i thought u guys were hanging out in 1s together enough 2 kno
shell surge
i ltierally got gatekept from having the same teammae like 5x today
sinful anvil
tbh idk y i assumed nek was aptera LOL
stable nymph
fall 2024 must b a rly weird time 4 pvpers bc every so often u get like
some returning player from a decade ago trying 2 play the game like it's a decade ago
with some rly sus gear
and u blink and they've gone 3 deaths
kindred frost
is there a way to remove he damages numbers in game
stable nymph
i think there's a setting for party damage
sinful anvil
idk why but i thought this was u mish
LOL
stable nymph
@sinful anvil @mental rose we r just going 2 start bc exp stuff is ticking, lmk when u r back and we'll pik u up next run...
shell surge
@stable nymph i mailed u mystics
cuz mishs inbox was full
at some point during ur allinghter
can u give them to him
tyy
stable nymph
@mental rose r u here 2 pick up ur stones from berri
sinful anvil
ya sry LOL
stable nymph
il b in elrianode ch elrianode
shell surge
X.x
stable nymph
dude the spider 1shots me with his little weenie arm atk
meanwhile will tanked the 1shot red blob thing mechanic
shell surge
That’s KE for you
shell surge
i thought laby was the herald of the end but she here 2 ushr in new beginings...
R u gonna make laby
empty ore
i thought laby was the herald of the end but she here 2 ushr in new beginings...
Well spoken
kindred frost
bro every time im about to rank up
hey im really sorry for messing up last night T_T I was really trying and ik you were frustrated I just got emotional cause it felt like I kept doing stuff wrong
I might change my name back to MonaChrome
shell surge
hey im really sorry for messing up last night T_T I was really trying and ik you...
It’s ok dw
I was just tilted and hardstuck SS or I wouldn’t have minded fr
I’m sorry for being bossy.
kindred frost
It’s ok dw
It’s okay I understand, I get really upset too especially being gate keeped 🫂
clever sigil
I was just tilted and hardstuck SS or I wouldn’t have minded fr
cheers that it isn't hardstuck F rank :V
here's to a ruby tuesday.
buoyant folio
I don't think it's physically even possible to be stuck at F rank
stable nymph
i already have several labys at master for collection but il probably stay a dirty eve player until the end
clever sigil
I don't think it's physically even possible to be stuck at F rank
Ye, I'm just being ridiculous.
Realistically: It's possibility of the mental. a war of the mind.
stable nymph
barrier for starting a new char seems kinda high even if u just wanna match free 11vos
buoyant folio
I mean
ngl
the spar gear is pretty good
Just don't ever get hit 🙂
constantly perfect every match 🙂
stable nymph
considering how 11duelist is basically vos sidegrade idk why they dont just make it free like they did with vos :/
surely aint nobody enhancing that thing
buoyant folio
They really should
I use the freebies to enhance it since idc about PvE
but like
the old duel set allowed you to upgrade for free 
no idea why they decided to be quirky and not bring it back
stable nymph
greedy greedy
buoyant folio
frfr
shell surge
cheers that it isn't hardstuck F rank :V
I made it out tbh
shell surge
surely aint nobody enhancing that thing
They do enhance it
Also 11 vos wasn’t a wep given in a pvp motivated manner
They give u tenebrous bro not duelist for a reason
Tho I wish they’d just give 11 free armors atp for pvp since they don’t even bother to make any patches around the mode
Theh could at least make it accessible for people to play
You’d still end up having to spend money anyways getting IBs and stuff so
stable nymph
pvp entry req def feels super scuffed
they need to powercreep 7w on a free set
if they arent gonna nerf it
i see ppl enhancing the duelist wep when like
they arent doing funny stuff like command builds and im just thinking ???
paid all that money to end up doing as much as they did with their free vos
bleak adder
duelist weap is not good for command dmg thou
someone did a simple calculation and concluded that you get just a little more dmg on your stacked skill
and you do like 5% less dmg on other skills/normals
but the built in fixed mpr makes overall setup easy
its for alts and ppl not going to use soa
tbh im pretty sure everyone knew its not that good vs vos and the free +11 vos is coming
sinful anvil
100ms strongr than any vos…
kindred frost
The 100ms has become to main antagonist in the elsword pvp community
stable nymph
r the weapon lines just scaled up versions of armor lines? i assumed crit dmg and atk lines couldnt compete which left command and skill dmg, but ig vos can just match command dmg with double atk mystics
kindred frost
“GO BACK TO YOUR SERVER”
“THATS RACIST”
Elsword politics: should we allow immigration in NA?
kindred frost
Who is democrat and republican
mystic elbow
Block them borders lmao
kindred frost
LOOOL
kindred frost
I’m not racist to anything but the lag xD
Why are VNs over here anyways? Is their server bad?
stable nymph
even without distance sparring rooms feel really off after a few games
shell surge
Crit dmg is probably fine on the wep
cyan quail
Build a wall
cyan quail
r the weapon lines just scaled up versions of armor lines? i assumed crit dmg an...
I think only the first line is higher value, the rest is just the same
Also no need for double attack chance on VoS
Just the mere existence of Mystics gives it the edge over Duelist
Since Duelist cannot get Mystic Sockets
bleak adder
im pretty sure most of time ppl should stack atk% on duelist weap
you will have like 20~30% atk without mystics and if you have 50% cri and 50% asd, you know which one to stack if you have done min maxing
but ppl should stack cri/asd on amors still i think
the max val of atk% and cri/asd% are the same on weap only
but on armor, its 1% atk vs 1.5% cri/asd
tbh im not a person who cares the details thou
like you dont need to know how to design and build a car from scratch to operate it
hope someone else does it
hollow hound
It is just me or NL is kind of broken in pvp?
mystic elbow
Shes always been broken
The only reason she isnt played is bc the other labys are even more broken and cuz shes not the best laby in pve
shell surge
she aint built like she used 2 be
empty ore
Why are VNs over here anyways? Is their server bad?
money
stable nymph
look 1 of best buttons in the game…
empty ore
It is just me or NL is kind of broken in pvp?
People sleep on Nisha hard. But she is heckin' strong.
She just lacks burst, which is a turnoff in 2024 els
warm hornet
why not just become tank
empty ore
Tanks dont really work in pvp.
Besides nisha heals only when pressing specials.
With a summon out no less.
Dont really wanna keep those out for too long
mental rose
ive lowkey wanted 2 play nisha since she drop. look in and iof itself is crayz
mental rose
look 1 of best buttons in the game…
ya
haivng a sill like look in ur kit
bumps u way up;...
WAY up...
the only way 2 get invalidated is to have some1 with a strong suction activ
speaking of does any1 kno if compressor has succ
mental rose
tbh tho isn tloook 100mp
bleak adder
she also has wookie thats a boom + her main dmg button
look also has ruthless trait
kinda old but i cant find other nisha 2s pvp vids
nisha is kinda cool thou
sinful anvil
she also has wookie thats a boom + her main dmg button
wookie?
sinful anvil
look also has ruthless trait
holy
LOL
has look received any nerfs?
like they didnt do antything weird to suction intervals
or anything?
bleak adder
i dont think they nerfed any of her kit yet but labys awk button as u know
sinful anvil
having look as a button
is enough to put the character in like top 5
LOL
just from that alone
bleak adder
y
sinful anvil
reading the elwiki description it sounds like it only gets suction if u use sentimental poijnts to cast
bleak adder
i dont think the suction is large enough that you just spam it right after kd
sinful anvil
I don't think any suction can pull ppl off of KD anymore??
could b wrong not 100% abou tthta
bleak adder
you cant but you can stop them from casting any skills
afaik
like hr
's suction skill
that one is the real broken one
i wont say look is broken cause of suction
sinful anvil
whast's it called
bleak adder
alone
knotty kraken
is it possible to cast look without suction?
yes
just have less than 4 sp
sinful anvil
yes
just have less than 4 sp
is it common to havbe less than 4 sp?
knotty kraken
depends
in neutral sure cuz aurora might not be up and traversal/pokes cost sp
but in a combo
aurora should always be up
and it only takes 1.3 seconds to get 4
- nisha gets passive sp
so it only takes 1 second to get 4
knotty kraken
which is managable even during commands
awk exists too which is free damage and full sp
sinful anvil
yeah then look has to b nuts...
like
whenever you have mp for it
whic hshud b usper ez especially w/ light trait
bleak adder
its easier to understand if its really broken or not
when you play it
i have seen them actually doing nothing sometimes cause they have to catch them actually
you cant just run all the time to get a catch
in 2s
i would say nl is broken cause of the laby stuff + great tenacity skills
but the look itself is kinda
uh
what about fp then thou
sinful anvil
true suction (as in it actually creates a vacuum as opposed to striking u with a hit that has a push/pull component) is an aoe silence wherever its placed
if there are other players on your screen, that are within your vacuum range, and u place the vacuum, u just win LOL
as long as u get your vacuum out
theres nothing anyone else can do except press super armor normals
u cant even awaken LOL
bleak adder
the other opp wont go there if you casted look without sa
sinful anvil
look without SA?
sinful anvil
even if they went there with SA
they would be silenced
LOL
they have to skill you from outside of vacuum range
which is
very possible now in 2024 to b fair
but the button itself
as long as u can place yourself to close enough to opp to b within vacuum range, u always have huge control over the scramble
(also u have to be on the floor)
sinful anvil
altho tbh maybe the floor part isn't such a huge deal in 100 ms delay bc can u even react to other ppls jumps like that now...
bleak adder
just spam x skill and win
sinful anvil
do u play nisha or smth
bleak adder
maybe
sinful anvil
not even a maybe LOL, imagine having look
on a 7 second cd with 50mp
you pop it in ANY engagement
in ANY scuffle, ANY hit trade, and you instantly get priority in the situation
its EXTREMELY easy to control interactions with a skill like that, and imo nisha players should be abusing the HELL out of it
like i promise u
if i was on that nisha character
might Look! key would have the paint worn off from mashing it so much LOL
bleak adder
crazy
what char do u play
i want to say the same thing
and the meta laby right now is tp
bleak adder
the 4th path laby
like someone said ealier here before nl is kinda outdated
just cause other chars are way more broken
u pressed look? i press whimsey
if u pressed look and could not kill them during the suction u might loose the game anyways
sinful anvil
u pressed look? i press whimsey
u cant press whimsey if ur in a vacuum
but even if u pressed it and already had it ouit
bleak adder
im saying the moment when you have to hit skills
most of time ur catch is from a delay anyways
sinful anvil
ya and u cant hit skills if ur in a vacuum...
bleak adder
like i know as i said before u cant press skills in suction but
ah im done
just play nl man
ya its broken play her
mental rose
im js if u have a larj aoe slience that's always up in a game where ppl want to run up and presson button to 1 shot u that seem p. powerful
im not sure how big the suction range is tho
bleak adder
i mean its true that look is broken but idk why i feel like nl is not broken in 2s as it sounds
mental rose
i mean its true that look is broken but idk why i feel like nl is not broken in ...
that's what we saw too
bleak adder
my character doesnt have any option to dodge that skill but somehow i dont feel like its unbeatable to vs them
mental rose
NL wasn't dominating tournaments or 2s even back few years ago iirc
bleak adder
when i fought her
mental rose
but i also don't think very many ppl even playted NL?
i always felt like ppl could have been abusing look! way harder than what we actually saw but idk thabs jus me
and tbh i wont say 'put me on a nisha' either cuz tbh 100 ms delay makes me insecure 🙄
so 🤷
mental rose
my character doesnt have any option to dodge that skill but somehow i dont feel ...
r u talkign 1s or 2s
mental rose
bc in my head when i see Look! it reminds me of old wormhole
from dimension withc
witch
which was a huge problem 3v3
look seems like the tenacity version of wormhole with larger range
bleak adder
well crazy worm is a better suction skill i think
mental rose
but again im not sure abotu the range and i cant double check bc the person who put nisha vdos on elwiki got his clips auto-privated i assume
and hasnt ptu them back to unlisted LOL
bleak adder
i think look is smaller
mental rose
yeah but crazyworm costs way mroe mp
bleak adder
and whats the 100ms delay
mental rose
its a strength skill
bleak adder
and multi hit
mental rose
and ig with lgith trai + mpr u could get it down to like 105mp?
its cd is 15 seocnd too
mental rose
and whats the 100ms delay
100 ms input delay that elsord has
bleak adder
i havent played mtm for years so i forgot
mental rose
if u press any button, it will take 100 ms for your character to respond in-game
mental rose
i havent played mtm for years so i forgot
i jus checked elwiki LOL
but ik crazyworm and like osme oz skills too have rly good suction
mental rose
it's universal
for ev eryone
KR NA etc doesnt matter, for some reason its baked into the client
i think it started around 2020/21
but ye the thing that rly stands out
mental rose
ot me baotu look is its cost + CD on top of being a sizeable aoe suction
mental rose
yeah but its 200mp and 15 second cd
bleak adder
i thought u were na
mental rose
what makes look crazy is that it has a big suction (probly not as big as PB or crazy worm, but still a decent size), can be reduced to 50mp with MPR + light trait, and has a 7s CD
i am NA
bleak adder
oh ok
mental rose
i meant like the server ur on doesn't matter
bleak adder
i dont feel the delay thou
bleak adder
100ms is kinda huge delay tho
mental rose
but when i ask them to download the input viewer and send a clip of them moving around in free training
bleak adder
i mean i would feel the delay if its 100ms
mental rose
i mean i would feel the delay if its 100ms
i would too
and i felt it immediately
that's why i checked
i promise u it's there
LOL
bleak adder
ur monitor and keyboard also affect the delay
mental rose
ive tested it on 3 different keyboards, and i have a good monitor 144hz that performs solid
are you on NA?
bleak adder
ya
mental rose
dam ok so ur in maintenance too
bleak adder
im not playing the game
mental rose
wym
mental rose
oh
ya np
i can show u my own clips but obvsly u can b like "oh that ur keyboard monitor etc"
but if u download hte inpute viewer, record a clip of urself moving around in-game and send it
i promise u we will see it LOL
bleak adder
ok ok calm down
mental rose
i am chillin
this was recorded in 85 fps, game runs at 80 usually and 75 fps in fields
bleak adder
oh
mental rose
u can download and check the file properties to see its actually in 85fps
if u look at how long it takes for me to move when i press >^ after stomp
bleak adder
ya i see it
mental rose
u do u just dont notice
for some reason most ppl don tntoice OL
i think its bnc
bc
theyve been playing continuously
and then this became a thing in 2020/21 and ppl didnt think anything of it, then eventually got used to it
but it affects how everyone is playing the game atm u can see it LOL
mental rose
that's exactly rhe issue
i can get used to it. ever since I found out that there's a 100 ms delay, i've taken it into account when playing and it's helped me tremendously
the problem I have is that it feels awful
abstract yacht
this was recorded in 85 fps, game runs at 80 usually and 75 fps in fields
ain't the game capped at 60 because of old days shenanigans when it wasn't capped
mental rose
no matter how much 'getting used to it' i do it just feels like crap
mental rose
ain't the game capped at 60 because of old days shenanigans when it wasn't cappe...
nah it's capped at 80 in pvp and 75 in dungeons/field
bleak adder
idt fps matters here
mental rose
it matters when measuring time with a recording device because we have to count the frames
abstract yacht
fps makes your movements faster, at least according to the people who experienced uncapped fps days
mental rose
fps makes your movements faster, at least according to the people who experience...
it used to but they patched it
bleak adder
ya they did
mental rose
sometime in like 2014 or 2015
abstract yacht
I had a very potato PC at that time so can't relate
bleak adder
wasnt it vsync thing
abstract yacht
(I mean I still do but it wasn't as bad as back then..)
mental rose
nah it wasnt a vsync thing i th ink it had to with the way animations were like uhh
tbh not even gna try, 9iim not sure abotu the deets ut it wasn ta vsync thing it was related to your pfs
bleak adder
maybe its 10ms~30ms but 100ms?
mental rose
fps
and the animation frames
it had to do with the total # of frames in an animation, the way those animations were keyframed and how the frames scaled with FPS
els isnt the only game that's like that, but just thte type of game els is made it whack LOL
at 100 FPS i could normal walk
over entangle trap
on the floor
and proc it without being caught bc walk speed was so fast LOL
but this is different
mental rose
that 100ms should not be for everyone
it 100% is
try it on your own pc
this is the input viewer i used
remember to set ur record settings to 80 fps or higher 4 best result
or more consistent and reliable results*
bleak adder
i will get it to test someday
mental rose
and also
the way u know this is a new thing
is because
when you are in town/rest areas, the game has the old response times
which is like
20-40ms, might be even less?
it seems close to instant, at the very least it's way faster than the 100ms you get in pvp/dungeon/field
more than 2x faster
bleak adder
do u play els on any other pc
mental rose
no
but ive replaced all the parts in this pc
over the years
a few times
so it has tehcnically changed
a bit
mental rose
no one feels it but u only is crazy
they don't feel it until I ask them to measure it
but yes I agree that that is crazy
I felt it immediately
the thing is that initially I wasn't sure what it was
this was in 2021
I thought it was just me being bad
i spent literal days in free training at the top of wally center practicing some move that i knew 100% used to be super easy for me, but now I was struggling hard to do it and thought it was just me being rusty/washed LOL
in the 100 ms delay it felt like I was sling shotting across the screen uncontrollably, where as before it felt super snappy and instant, but I thought that I had just lost the timing/feel for the inptus
inputs
but nope
its bc of 100ms delay and now that I know that, i can do that same move perfectly
it's just
that it's not as strong because I can't make immediate adjustments to whats happeniogn on my screen
suix
bleak adder
if someone can do the move then they got used to it... then it might be ur skill issue...
mental rose
if someone can do the move then they got used to it... then it might be ur skill...
no u not understanding
ok so the move was
and this is on AN
mental rose
same base movement yea
bleak adder
if an had any specific movement
then there should not be anything
what movement ur talking about
i only remember an has that weird stomp that u cant do the same v^x like any other rena
i dont play rena so i might be wrong
mental rose
^^Z > ^ < < v >>ZZZ
u stay airborne through the entire thing, so the final part is actually a >>^ZZZ input (which is AN-specific), but u dont need to press up ^ because ur already in the air
what's important in that sequence isn't so much the movement itself as it is the control u have over ur movement throughout the entire thing
so u can change the timing, the height, the side distance etc, in real time, if u have good mechanics of control of character
but all of that goes out the window with 100ms delay
with 100ms delay u just have to press all of hte buttons blind
bleak adder
maybe that can be cause of renewals
mental rose
and then watch ur character do all of it 100 ms later, there's no making small adjustments during the movement
mental rose
maybe that can be cause of renewals
i thought that at frist
first
but upon looking at old clips from post-renewals
2016, 2018, 2019
I think the 100 ms is actually because of reboots
which were much more recent
i tihnk 2020/21?
this is another player who was a lso saying
that it imght be just me
and that i might just b messing up inputs/skill issue etc
i ask him to record
his video file is in 60 FPS
but if u put it into sony vegas and measure the delay, it's like 6 frame delay
which comes out to 100 ms once again
also note that this is an EU player
so the its the same 100 ms even on EU servers
probably a client thing