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warm hornet
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but it kinda goes like this:
if you don't have stun, good luck trading them.
if you have a decent projectile, get them pot shots when ever you can until you have enough mana to secure a catch with your actives/skills.
if you have "free" and "disposable' resources, use'em.

faint dust
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where da stream

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I need to download as much pvp content into my brain to accelrate years of catching up

boreal kayak
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Just got off work and am on my way back home rn

dull forum
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lmk when u home

boreal kayak
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im home

dull forum
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@boreal kayak

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lemme log on my ke

boreal kayak
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hey, i wanted to ask

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mind if we do this tommorow

dull forum
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sure np

boreal kayak
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im tired and ive had a long day. lol

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sorry.

dull forum
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no need to say sorry big dawg

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ik how work gets so tiresome

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u good

boreal kayak
oblique sundial
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with a funny notepad file

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and a vpn

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thoughts and prayers might help a little bit too?

onyx epoch
noble pelican
boreal kayak
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?

noble pelican
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Ye

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That’s me

buoyant folio
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Madame Cosmosette

noble pelican
boreal kayak
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i mean my name is pretty obvious, lol

noble pelican
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👀

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If you ever need a spar buddy, I’m down

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Arena scary

boreal kayak
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noted

noble pelican
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I miss my E rank

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April Fool’s idea: give everyone E rank again

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Even to those who don’t PVP

noble pelican
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Hi, Lerne!

buoyant folio
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Howdy

noble pelican
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How’s the +11 vos era treating you?

lavish socket
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cute bunnies

noble pelican
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Cute bunnies to heal the soul after arena

buoyant folio
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I'm using the +9 spar wep for arena

noble pelican
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😮

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A challenge

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I’m not that strong

buoyant folio
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honestly it's almost more than enough to deal with people

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I just need to +10 it

noble pelican
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Since you’re cool

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+10 spar sounds so fun

buoyant folio
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ye

noble pelican
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How I feel when I want +10

buoyant folio
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fr

kindred frost
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Bunny squad

clever sigil
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You folks make me miss having a freaking rabbit.

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I'm gonna go fight the wind now.

versed knot
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WHOA EXCUSE ME FOR THINKING THIS IS INSTAGRAM CHANNEL MY BAD

clever sigil
heavy spear
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hey anyone here play guild wars 2

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jokes aside. as a pilot, maybe i'm not as aggressive as i once thought myself to be

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i do like mobility and aggression, which is why i was drawn to AD. but the other day i fought an AD that was way more aggressive than i could ever be lol

empty ore
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Where are all the mr forces

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Screw it, ill grind it out

buoyant folio
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RV 🤢

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and 4th Elesis path :anaus

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🤢

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when they getting nerfed

grizzled nova
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For raven, fb, What stats should i focus on the spar weapon and for armor cuz i've been losing and am in a class

dull forum
grizzled nova
dull forum
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crit+mpcost

heavy spear
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i wish they would buff dem without bringing back the stupid bravery spam

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dunno if KR is aware of how they are now tho

grizzled nova
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Sweet ty king

grizzled nova
clever sigil
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optimal is the mp cost + crit, to get your nukes out quicker.

if you're reliant on commands, combos, you can experiemtn with Command damage on another duelist set to see how it works for you.
Don't expect amazing results, as this point is about fitting your stats around your playstyle in the long run, so don't take this setence as gospel.

grizzled nova
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And also other people are atking fast maybe cuz of atk speed so if i socket like crit and mp cost where does atk speed go?

clever sigil
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Speeds can be a blend of things, if they're running [GoE] or [Freed shadow] they're gaining a attack speed and damage boost.

grizzled nova
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I will make a video once i go back to pvping havent pvp since 2 days ago

clever sigil
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and some stuff such as "imprints" can occasionally affect how fast their hits can be.

grizzled nova
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Best weapon for pvp is spar isnt it?

dull forum
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soa

clever sigil
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Can't say. Still experiementing.

SoA is your best bet.

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that +11 VoS is your next best bet.

dull forum
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but if u dont wanna do allat

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11 vos

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cuz u dont get a free 11 spar wep

clever sigil
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Matter of fact, I wonder how Ruthless a +10 Duelist weapon can be

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I want to mess around with it, but . . . too broke for that. Everythings going to my NI

grizzled nova
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Sweet ty guys i will try rank up soon and get to s class

clever sigil
# grizzled nova Sweet ty guys i will try rank up soon and get to s class

if you play reletively well, and got some of the fundamentals of raven, that S rank should be a super breeeze for you.

Last thing: do not, and I repeat: DO. NOT. be discouraged by losses or failure. Success is built from failures that were focused on succeding. and failures are smaller pieces of success.
Do not. Give up. Win, lose, Learn why you lose, lose better and those losess can become a win.

grizzled nova
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sweet nice words i will try ty

boreal kayak
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been working on my KE since that day.

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that reminds me..

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not if sure if you forgot or were just waiting for me, but if you were waiting, i deeply apologize, didnt you want to show me something? @dull forum

boreal kayak
knotty kraken
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the worst etw is back

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and regretting it

hollow hound
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Rhyth is really strong.

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A menance.

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+12 duelist.

warm hornet
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realy...?!!?!?

knotty kraken
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im trying the duelist mirror now

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its just worse than my +10 vos

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like the damage is roughly the same

clever sigil
knotty kraken
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but my vos is just loaded with double attack

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laby thunder does less damage

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somehow

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that and i actually have to use it

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🤮

cyan pine
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im done pvping for the night the biggest Genesis carried elboy in the game is in there and im not looking to get character diffed for hours

knotty kraken
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yea the duelist weapon just feels bad

heavy spear
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well that's enough low s queue for the night

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i think i'm lagging, tried to red prism a RH who was just about to land and he x-crashed through it

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was expecting him to hitstun as he was like, a fifth length of a character above ground

abstract yacht
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that 68k crit on top of double atk chance lmao

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BQ moment

hollow hound
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Not broken at all.

warm hornet
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i remember i reduced that damage to around 40k~50k
still hurts...

kindred frost
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dominator is so dumb in 2s man

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esp om a tight map

hollow hound
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Sev1. XD

cyan pine
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DoM is one of those characters that im surprised they didnt nerf in the pvp patch along with half the characters that are unapproachable via Neutral RV,AD,GN

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but atleast DoM doesnt have freeze frame awakening so there is a plus

mystic elbow
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thats cuz they dont know what to do

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it also depends on KR more than us

abstract yacht
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because DoM isn't necessarily unapproachable, just tedious

heavy spear
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next free class change i might switch my cata back to dem just to see if i can make it work

cyan pine
buoyant folio
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DoM 🤢

boreal kayak
onyx epoch
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daily buff rh post

oblique sundial
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bi-annual buff cata post

heavy spear
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buff dem too >:(

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what's the consensus on TW? i was fighting one earlier -- maybe it's because i'm AD but the poor TW just doesn't seem like she can do much except pray people blunder into her traps

mystic elbow
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she cant

twin pawn
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the consensus on TW is shes not PR

heavy spear
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RIP renas that are not dab/pr

twin pawn
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id argue AN isnt that bad

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TW is pretty meh

heavy spear
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i was fighting an AN earlier too, yeah shes not terrible but shes just not as good as many of the others

mystic elbow
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shes rly just

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a nuke bot

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same with tw but she's worse at it

heavy spear
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she has reflect kick going for her

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which is good but still

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its not dab nor pr

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nor rv nor ad nor gen nor others

abstract yacht
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nobody is like those 3 except those 3

heavy spear
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i struggle to think of what tw is supposed to do when she has to be aggressive lol

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like vs aishas

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sure she has some mobility but she lacks aggressive SA, or at least from what i've seen

mystic elbow
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she pretty much loses unless its like

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Sage TW dmg

empty ore
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You see so few of em because its just not worth it compared to the other rena's

empty ore
mystic elbow
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thats

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Sage TW

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Arkie

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😭

empty ore
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ImmortalSage's

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?

mystic elbow
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ye

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he has Sage FB Eden TW Nocturne NL

empty ore
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oh wild.

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HES THE LABY TOO?

mystic elbow
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all +12

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YEA

empty ore
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That laby scares me man,

mystic elbow
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he got 19-4 title on like 4 characters

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before change

empty ore
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a true pve monster

mystic elbow
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ongawd 💀

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and theyre all

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+11 r21 tene

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completely maxed out

hollow hound
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They don't have a life, that's for sure.

empty ore
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Hey now lets not be negative about it

knotty kraken
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not negative

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just a fact

mystic elbow
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im pretty sure he's in the military

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but yea lets not insult

empty ore
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They simply chose to put their time into something they wanted to do

hollow hound
mystic elbow
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yea i mean the military doesnt pay a lot til u rank up

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but if he's living in dorms

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then its pretty much okay

hollow hound
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I guess Elsword is his escape or something.

mystic elbow
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he does play a lot

hollow hound
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I see.

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But still amazes me the time and resources that some people con put on this game.

mystic elbow
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yea i dont think ive ever seen someone

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as geared

hollow hound
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Now I know the context I feel bad.

mystic elbow
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is ok

hollow hound
mystic elbow
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CC

cyan quail
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They're +12 SoA

kindred frost
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I have the capacity to win but I gotta be really careful

noble pelican
noble pelican
mystic elbow
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the man got ONE catch on me and i almost lost bc of it

heavy spear
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if the last hit of my ZZZZ doesn't land and i try to xdrop but they don't launch and they retaliate mid-combo

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am i lagging? 🙁

dull forum
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theylagging

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@heavy spear just zzz>>X

kindred frost
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I forgot his name

I mean he was good no doubt about that I was just mad

rich quail
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Can you narrow it down by their rank at all?

noble pelican
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SS?

rich quail
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if it was SS it might've been mine.

noble pelican
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oop

empty ore
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Tap into your ultra instinct

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Play Bury the Light at max volume and kick his butt

kindred frost
kindred frost
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Unless the person is being toxic then it’s just a game to me, I’m sure I definitely made people mad in my CA

rich quail
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Ah, not a D. Mine starts with a K.
Still, I might run into you if you're in the SS orbit.

empty ore
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Every loss is a step towards greatness

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I wont stop, cause I didnt hear no bell.

clever sigil
heavy spear
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i'm going to start telling bad puns to people who salt whisper me

versed knot
heavy spear
versed knot
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

mystic elbow
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rules?

dusty pelican
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One sec.

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I'm hosting it with myself and LevelAlone as commentators, so we made a ruleset. Lemme grab it.

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+11 VoS(since it was given for free), with any sockets you want, socketed with any stats you want on Mystics

+9 duelist gear, customized how you want. But not beyond +9

IB costume and accessories allowed

No ignite, all other force skills allowed

Res titles allowed.

Map bans will be selected before matches start.

Blizzard Ruins will be PERMA BANNED for the entire tournament.

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I would have said all duelist, but some people have already +11ed theirs, which makes it lightyears better than a +9.

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Voids are easy to get and easy to put stats on, so.

white valve
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why void instead of duelist

dusty pelican
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Some people have already +11ed theirs.

mystic elbow
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more importantly couldn't it at least be foj?

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foj +10 is dirt easy to get

white valve
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yea nah you not getting anyone

dusty pelican
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Hmm.

white valve
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all the tourney restricted tourneys no one ever liked

mystic elbow
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or even vos since they literally just gave an +11 one out

dusty pelican
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Well, if I allow whatever gear then it'll just be "haha i press one button you die."

white valve
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goodluck

dusty pelican
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instead of fights actually being entertaining.

mystic elbow
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well now youre gonna see redheads win all matches

dusty pelican
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Well, I guess it could be VoS.

mystic elbow
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certain characters ( MPx ) become awful in heavy gear restrictions like that

dusty pelican
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I could also just ask for a fresh duelist weapon.

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+9 duelist

mystic elbow
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that would be better as well

dusty pelican
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As long as people have a fresh +9 duelist.

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can be socketed however they want.

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whatever stats they want.

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The weap is bankable right?

mystic elbow
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yes

dusty pelican
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then yeah if people have multiple of the same char they can just snag a free weap and socket it accordingly.

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That'll work.

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Ignite is also ofc self explanatory why it's not allowed.

mystic elbow
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its not as broken anymore considering it starts on cd but yes i understand it

dusty pelican
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it's still p bad.

mystic elbow
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i think if u and levelalone were the ones who created the rules u need to branch out and get more opinions

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especially if you're aiming for 32 ppl

dusty pelican
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this is also why dates haven't been announced for it.

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that was the plan.

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or is, rather.

mystic elbow
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most of the pvp community hates gear restrictions so youll have ppl flat out not wanting to join

dusty pelican
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because people prefer "haha i press one button and you die."

white valve
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yea man im your friend and even i dont want to join under those restrictions

mystic elbow
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and the reason is bc they dont solve anything

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thats not why, act

white valve
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its lower gear then the gear restricted tourneys

mystic elbow
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if you watch how void tournaments go

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its a lot of cheesing

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especially if any of us remember Noir vs MutantWraith (still glad noir won)

dusty pelican
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this tournament was going to be a 2v2 tournament, but gastan made some good points.

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since we just had one, having another 2s tourney wouldn't make much sense.

mystic elbow
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or if we remember Haven vs RoughHouse (PR)

dusty pelican
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as such, it's a 1s tourney now.

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but how do I make it so it's not just people pressing one button to obliterate their opponent, even when they were getting beat first?

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Because that's also happened.

mystic elbow
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thats gonna happen regardless, sometimes its gonna look like one person messing up and getting snowballed to death

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by sm1 w/ 1HP

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even cholly could smoke noir like 60% of their HP w/ bursting blade

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on void tourney

dusty pelican
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that's why we thought of the gear restrictions.

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to stop that from happening.

mystic elbow
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the point is the gear restriction

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didnt stop it

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from happening

twin pawn
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theres also incredibly likely chance of someone cheesing

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i.e CS clocking half of her hp by just not touching the ground

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which is possible

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because ive done it

dusty pelican
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Well, I'm up to discuss on solutions.

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Like I said that's why dates haven't been announced.

mystic elbow
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as a compromise id say foj

dusty pelican
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tbf even a vos is easier to obtain now.

mystic elbow
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youll mostly see matches like the ones you're talking about

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as ss

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typically higher than that u rarely actually see ppl getting one tapped like that

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but u can do a poll if u want

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and see what ppl choose

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soa is an obvious no

dusty pelican
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soa is way too powerful yeah

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I'll have that up and keep checking on it as it goes.

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Duelist armor is ofc fine.

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+9 duelist armor, that is.

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as that's the most accessible.

mystic elbow
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@versed knot im surprised u didnt ask "where's elrianode"

versed knot
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AYO

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CAN WE LIMIT THE TOURNEY GEAR DOWN TO ELRI GEAR

mystic elbow
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lmaooooooo

twin pawn
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violet set

dusty pelican
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nah not that lmao

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+9 duelist

mystic elbow
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larry wants to bust out the 11 elrianode

twin pawn
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cass raspunch

mystic elbow
versed knot
dusty pelican
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Probably +11 VoS is okay.

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Since everyone got it

versed knot
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Dang you say this as I memed my 11 vos trying for a 12

mystic elbow
versed knot
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I now have a 10 exp vos \o/

twin pawn
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kidnap bol

versed knot
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Nom the wynnt frfr

dull forum
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@mystic elbow if it's a 2s tourney team up with my ad

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🤙

dusty pelican
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for mine

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we just had a 2s tourney so it would just be a repeat

dusty pelican
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of what we just did

dull forum
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O 1s only

dull forum
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But since it's 1s imma have to bust out the GS/AD 🗣️

dusty pelican
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That's fine, we're still discussing rulesets

dusty pelican
mystic elbow
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u do not want to team w/ me gang 😭

empty ore
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Wait is this a 1v1 or 2v2 tourney

dusty pelican
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1v1

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since we just had a 2v2 tourney, gastan brought up a good point.

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it'd feel repeated since we JUST had one.

empty ore
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Mk.

noble pelican
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Sounds neat

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I’d want in just to be stylish

kindred frost
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Speaking of style

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On this episode of college drips with Mona

(I noticed my fly and fixed it after I took this pic)

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I hope I can inspire other to go to class in the DRIP

dusty pelican
dusty pelican
empty ore
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Where am I , i thought this was the pvp channel

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(You do look nice tho)

heavy spear
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s queue is all sorts of dead lolllllllllllll

kindred frost
noble pelican
empty ore
stable nymph
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looks like they hit the crit from mpr dual stones with a .4 pvp modifier this patch so builds are going to look a little funny until people fix things up

mystic elbow
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Wasn’t it always

stable nymph
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if it was, it wasn't displayed as such in ui

mystic elbow
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Even mpr from weapon is normalized

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Only unnormalized mpr is on duelist

stable nymph
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I mean the crit is now normalized as well

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so if u were getting all your socketed crit from these dual stones you're probably sitting at like 50% crit now LOL

mystic elbow
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Ohh

dusty pelican
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Oh. Duelist actually is ahead now.

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Interesting.

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I thought VoS would take it frfr.

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Since everyone has one now.

dull forum
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w8

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he actually right

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they nerfed crit rate

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or im just insanley unlucky

noble pelican
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Ninja nerf??

dull forum
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they did nerf it

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unless its a visual bug

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but i did feel a difference by going into free training

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why would they do this

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😂

noble pelican
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13%

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I’m crying—

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OoR meta is coming back

unreal egret
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I looked at my stats at base

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with it

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21% in pve and 15% in pvp (in stat window)

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(28.57% percentage decrease)

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the efficiency is at 100% as well

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(Guild +5% (doesn't affect it apologies), Pet +1%, Circlet +10%, Collection +5%)

If you were to apply said stats with the .4 multiplier from each one it'd be

5-2, 1-0.4, 10-4, 5-2 = 12.6 (added together) which, =/= 15

buoyant folio
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that crit nerf is painful wth

unreal egret
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Yeah it's not just the 40% modifier

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something else affected the stats after the patch

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the same thing happened for people's HP

buoyant folio
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my crit lost almost 40%

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lmaooooo

unreal egret
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Also MPR (not the crit stat from it) is not normalized just has a max of 35%

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It doesn't have efficiency factors (at least in the stat window)

buoyant folio
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my MPR hasn't changed fortunately

unreal egret
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Something else is up 😂

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@coarse geyser Thoughts?

coarse geyser
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My thoughts are this coffee tastes good today

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Maybe it's because of how late I'm drinking it

unreal egret
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😭

coarse geyser
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Oh you mean the Crit thing

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Already aware of it

unreal egret
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Yeah

buoyant folio
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yeah

dull forum
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It's a bug 100%

stable nymph
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it’d be a pretty reasonable nerf if intentional

stable nymph
noble pelican
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Would be pretty funny to see a nuke not crit

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Sad yellow number popping up

unreal egret
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it's the mpr sockets peeposelfie

mystic elbow
noble pelican
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💀

mystic elbow
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80% crit and falling dragon still manages to land on the 20% non crit

abstract yacht
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yes let's go IW meta is here TPChuckleJustABard

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is the bug fixed already? or..

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actually I want to ask something, is there anything you guys find in common about this "glitch"?

stable nymph
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even if it were to stay, idt it leads to iw meta… you lose like 2% mpr or a handful of maxi adjusting some sockets to bring crit back to what it used to be

abstract yacht
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getting randomly impacted

white valve
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you would lose at worst 0.8% mpr per dignity stone and just go back to sage stone crit

abstract yacht
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my PvE gear has 71.9% crit and 70.7% on PvP

meanwhile if I put on my PvP set
my PvE crit says 77% but my PvP one says 68% (and my VoS has no dignity stones)
and if I put on my duelist wep (which does have full dignity) it goes down to 53% in PvP even though the PvE crit remains 77%

stable nymph
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are there any kr folks who can confirm whether the change was intentional aka still present in kr

abstract yacht
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@wet sundial excuse me for the ping

stable nymph
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btw are u rawforce from a billion years ago

abstract yacht
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Idk that ign

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my ign is as my name here

summer merlin
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Is the Oberon summon supposed to give input delay or is my puter just tweaking

stable nymph
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interesting cem stealth buffs

stable nymph
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exc0mIOVdhw

i assume the dignity stone thing was reverted/fixed given the stats in this recent kr video

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dull forum
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Krs never had the bug I think

celest ore
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me hitting yellows is a bug?

dull forum
#

Yes

celest ore
#

crazy

stable nymph
#

tbh i was kinda hoping it was intentional to lower everyoens stat budgets

mystic elbow
#

why 😭

stable nymph
#

so people have to choose between doing slightly less damage (which would be nice because there is far too much damage being thrown around) and having slightly less mp (which would also be nice because there is far too much mp being thrown around)

abstract yacht
#

time to put this next to Add dungeon's bug from years ago

mystic elbow
#

We still have the wall bug don’t we

celest ore
#

na specific pvp bug
ultimate test of if they listen to us 😭

mystic elbow
#

We had water bug for like a year when it was here

#

And wall bug has been what 2 years now?

buoyant folio
#

wall bug ☺️

celest ore
#

so basically you're saying this bug is extremely unlucky and is probably gonna stick around for way too long

dull forum
#

Yep

#

Pvp in shambles

mystic elbow
#

Yea

#

Keep in mind they fixed accidental widescreen the next day

abstract yacht
#

but I would not account for it to be fixed, it can randomly return like it did somewhere in 2023 lmao

mystic elbow
#

Im not talking about that bug

#

If u try to dive in certain areas with curves theres an invisible wall

twin pawn
#

r u tb the invisible walls that randomly started showing up

mystic elbow
#

Yea

twin pawn
#

😭

mystic elbow
#

Like when Ara is air running or whatever and a random wall blocks her

abstract yacht
#

oh that bug, I always considered that more so because of how the game works with curves, most specifically; sharp curves

mystic elbow
#

Usually on curved maps

#

Its a bug

#

No other server has it

#

That bug ends up helping CS sometimes on banthus cave

twin pawn
mystic elbow
#

F theyre never getting rid of it

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Cuz EU does not

twin pawn
#

ive seen a CS make use of the invisible wall for photon

mystic elbow
#

Ya

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Meanwhile CC dive n Ara running gets completely shafted by it

twin pawn
#

but thwy literally only started showing up this year

#

i rmr being like ??? where did this come from

mystic elbow
#

I remember seeing it last year

abstract yacht
#

This reminds me of Lu's dive

Idk if it's because Lu has a sort of hitscan check during dive
but sometimes if the enemy was near Lu, Lu diving would dive in a shorter range to "land" on the target, but because of this it also caused her to randomly get "stuck" on an invisible wall defined by the position of the enemy at random times or cross over instead
Idk if that ever got fixed, haven't seen a LuCiel (let alone one that randomly dives) in years

mystic elbow
#

Possibly the year before that

#

It can happen to Lu too

abstract yacht
#

no but with Lu is not with a curve, it's straight up because of the enemy lol

mystic elbow
#

Ok

#

But either way if a char can dive its prob gonna happen to them on maps like tree (both i think) banthus, and cargo

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Idk about any others

knotty kraken
#

kog and corners are wierd

abstract yacht
#

also jesus christ my fps

abstract yacht
#

it's better when you're fast

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there was like, this one DB who had... was it 7w? that had a piece that on awaken it gave you like, 70% spd buff or smth

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and he mixed that with hyperaccel and DB's own buffs

knotty kraken
#

yea i dont have anything to go fast sadly

abstract yacht
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he went by so fast on 11-2 that even on straight line he got stopped by a random wall

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like, not even a curve
a straight map

knotty kraken
#

lmao

abstract yacht
celest ore
oblique sundial
#

lu dive is funny

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give it super armor please

cyan quail
#

Sucks that they both got patched

noble pelican
#

Personally, it didn’t effect me much, so I was chillin’ before the change

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If only it stayed to fix the MPR meta

oblique sundial
#

we love 40 mp booms

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nothing wrong with them at all, in fact i think they should cost less

dusty pelican
dusty pelican
# dusty pelican
poll_question_text

What weapon would be preferred for a tournament?

victor_answer_votes

6

total_votes

14

victor_answer_id

3

victor_answer_text

Duelist

buoyant folio
#

h

mystic elbow
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(i dont have duelist weapon)

buoyant folio
#

Don't lie

mystic elbow
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i dont

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y would i have needed it when all the important aras (not aps) have 11 s5 vos

buoyant folio
#

🙄 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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yeah okay Cassian.................................

#

S5 +69 VoS

mystic elbow
#

🤣 🫵

mystic elbow
#

no +11

buoyant folio
#

I don't need a +11 ☺️

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I do want a +10 duelist wep at least

mystic elbow
#

silly goose no one needs a +11

#

we all just want 1

buoyant folio
#

Silly duck.

kindred frost
#

AV is such a brain dead stupid class

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why does she need so many skills

#

that hit

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EVERYYWHERE

buoyant folio
#

Kill AV NOW

dusty pelican
#

Well. Duelist is preferred.

#

So the rules will be changing.

dull forum
#

is it gonna be any duelist enhancement

hollow hound
#

B A N K.

cyan quail
#

Skill issue

kindred frost
grizzled nova
#

does anyone have fb pvp skill set?

mystic elbow
dull forum
#

Fly n slash,mod bblade, mod shockwave,shadow step, armor crash, escape, sonic slash, flash,

#

Last few buttons r up to you tbh

#

Some ppl run rend

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Since I used to do 2s u put on mod hss

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And giga drive for memes

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If u gonna do 1s rend is ok

grizzled nova
#

and all the setting to mp cost reduce?

dull forum
#

Uhhh

#

U mean ur duelist or

#

Traits

grizzled nova
#

traits

kindred frost
#

I’m so tired man

buoyant folio
#

Brazilian Oracle

heavy spear
#

HELPPPPPPP I JUST WON A MATCH WITH "data016.kom" CONSTANTLY APPEARING AND TAKING FOCUS AWAY FROM THE WINDOW

kindred frost
#

“What that dash gonna do”

“Not much but it’s the only thing I have”

dusty pelican
#

IF we take any enhancement, there's gonna be people that will just "haha, i press 1 button and you die."

cyan quail
#

It's pretty impossible to reach a true "balance", while there is an argument to be had some classes will just do too much damage too fast, other classes are just unplayable/at a severe disadvantage if they don't have access to higher enhancement weapons

#

Another thing is that given the nature of 1v1, matches are pretty much set in stone once somebody gets caught twice or just right after they escape skill

#

From the people I've talked to, very few if none are interested in that type of content just because of how repetitive and predictable it becomes once you know the class matchups

#

Heavily normalized gear just exacerbates those matchups even more

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It's just a tough mode to even try to balance around

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Too many variables get into play that will make some classes gain more advantage over others

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Imo you either commit to full on restrictions (taking in as many variables as possible) or just leave everything as is

kindred frost
#

It’s like having a bunch of tangled wires and you know you gotta untangle them but that’s hard so you just buy new wires but then those wires get tangled but untangling them is hard so you just go and buy new wires

cyan quail
#

Those elements are a bit more bearable in 2v2, although there are still some that are over the top

#

Like Wander Marchen and Rosso Force

boreal kayak
#

I'm still waiting for KE tech you were going to show me. @dull forum TPChuckleJustABard

abstract yacht
# cyan quail Heavily normalized gear just exacerbates those matchups even more

I'm still up with the idea of giving everyone normalized, fixed gear, it would at least make balancing slightly simpler.

Because if everyone has the exact same gear and same stats, then you have 0 worries about gear.
now, what would that lead to?
some classes completely die because of the lack of high end gear, like Minerva.
but the thing is; because now there's no disparity in gear, you're now able to balance said dead class around this change, because the number is not gonna change.
Likewise you can also nerf classes that still do exaggerated damage with the new change of fixed stats
You can revolve the damages around this number without concerns because it's a consistent value, as it's not gonna skyrocket or plummet; it's an unchangeable value. Easy to work around with.

the problem then becomes a matter of class differences instead, this class has too much big of a hitbox;
too much super armor, too cheap of skills, too much delay on a tenacity, this character is heavily mobile while this other is very slow; things like that. That'll be the complicated part to balance
But at least you remove one variable from the equation
Even if there's multiple others, having fixed gear is still watering down the problem a little bit, best to at least tear down one variable at a time than to juggle around with them all existing.

#

the only thing that stops this from happening is:
1: ppl will complain about the work they did on raids to get the weapon even though there's only like- 90 players who actually PvP out of the thousands that play the game
And KoG will agree with the ppl just because that means money for them. (Ppl enhancing pve gear to get into raids to then enhance the wep to then PvP)
2: KoG gives 0 craps about PvP, they don't even give it separate values, the PvP values in descriptions are just a multiplier placed on top of the PvE's value, it's not actually separate.
So who's to say they'd care about balancing numbers after introducing said change.
They don't treat PvP as a separate mode. If ppl want to only play PvP then play PvP, get PvP stuff out of PvP'ing, perhaps bring back enhancing the wep through PvP materials like old sparr gear did- no, they don't care.
Cuz again, forcing PvP players to PvE brings them money.

#

but
b u t
that doesn't stop it from being an alternative, they could at least make a different mode; just like Winner's Match;
where it's still PvP but in that mode you'd have fixed gear.
that would sadly disregard re-balancing characters around the fixed gear because it's just a different mode; you still have to keep the characters the way they are for regular PvP

#

but at least; it being a different mode would make ppl ... take it less seriously... probably, hopefully. and be there just for the fun

buoyant folio
#

a

cyan quail
# abstract yacht I'm still up with the idea of giving everyone normalized, fixed gear, it would a...

Yeah that's what I meant by heavily normalizing gear if they were to take that option.
Make the gear ceiling so low that people can just hop on an alt and lose out on little to no bonuses, since some classes will absolutely serve 0 purpose with no gear they can just hop on a class that does benefit from those settings.
Talking like no artifacts, rare forces only, promo costumes only, accessories are fine since champion accessories and rof + rings are so as well

#

It's either that or just allow everything except for grandma/ignite

#

There's no in betweens

twin pawn
grizzled nova
#

Should i get a purple rigo armour for pvp cuz im always getting dmged a lot and i checked as well that they were wearing purple. I have the spar armor +9 crit dmg, mp cost and my skill

twin pawn
#

no bc half of purple's value doesnt exist in pvp (the asd on gloves has no effect in pvp)

#

the only thing purple does is make you tankier

#

duelist will almost always be better especially at higher enhancement/investment bc damage wise you gain more

grizzled nova
#

Ahh i see i might as well run away wen i see one with purple xD

celest ore
#

you can almost tell when someones using violet rigo
they take forever to die and do no damage themselves 😭

dusty pelican
#

So, after taking some time to discuss with a player who does PvP a lot(gastan), I've come to the conclusion that Duelist Gear/Duelist + Violet/full violet and ANY weapon will be allowed for these reasons.

  • Restricting the tournament to just one specific weapon will make it harder for people to actually join. If they do not have said specific weapon ready for PvP, they will most likely just not join.

  • Restricting enhancement level is also a problem because as I stated before, people have already +11ed their weapons. While it's true that I COULD restrict it to void, that WAS an issue during the void weapon only tournament.

  • If I restrict TOO much, certain classes become unplayable and other classes reign supreme(Example: Redheads).

  • While yes, allowing any weapon with any enhancement level will result in some people doing the classic "haha I press one button and absolutely wreck your health even though you were obviously winning this fight.", that's far less of a drawback than the former because people will still join the tournament for that.

  • The point of this tournament is to get people to join. As I stated before, the more people who join, the bigger the pot of KC becomes.

#

With this in mind, the rules will officially be updated here:

  • ANY weapon allowed. You MUST use Duelist Armor OR 2pc Duelist and 2pc Violet/full violet.

  • Any accessories are allowed, INCLUDING IB accessories.

  • Any Costume is allowed INCLUDING IBs.

  • Map bans WILL be selected by BOTH entrants before their fight begins. Blizzard Ruins will remain PERMA banned for the ENTIRE tournament.

  • Rounds will be Bo3, with the finals being Bo5.

  • NO IGNITE. All other Forces allowed.

  • KoG themself is NOT sponsoring this tournament. They are simply just providing the KC prize. The tournament will be streamed on my Twitch channel when the dates are decided after enough sign-ups happen.

These are subject to change for now as discussion is still happening. If you have anything you'd like to add, or change. Please let me know.

For now, here are the signups: https://forms.gle/KxaAkGoYf3TpEewy7

mystic elbow
#

if u want more ppl to join u should talk to rabiyaya so u can get more ppl

#

she can post it in pvp cord for u

dusty pelican
#

I have people in the pvp cord its aight

#

was gonna actually ask if anyone else wants to just share this around to their friends, it'd be appreciated.

#

I'm gonna do the same days KoG does for their tournaments. Friday and Saturday.

cyan quail
#

Very pog

#

Is this gonna be any enhancement on the armors?

#

@dusty pelican

mystic elbow
#

i would like to see CE in her godtier era

stable nymph
#

might want to go back to like 2013 for that

mystic elbow
#

No i dont

gritty wadi
#

o3o

clever sigil
# mystic elbow i would like to see CE in her godtier era

the moment that happens, Im punishing folks with [Mod] Hypersonic stab. And not for "style points" or x-drop compatability.

(exceptions would be AYS. that man can pilot CE to the point that Crimson 1 would blush out of embarrasment.)

dusty pelican
thorn haven
dull forum
#

My goat lolislayer

oblique sundial
#

I still remember him hitting me for like 800k withered

kindred frost
kindred frost
#

Someone save me

heavy spear
#

first match today and i fight this KE who kinda slowly degrades to the point where i'm seeing like one frame from him per second

#

so i'm like OH MY GOD AM I THE ONE LAGGING and then he disconnects and. well ok

#

anyways hit ss

rich quail
#

Congratulationss.

noble pelican
heavy spear
#

It truly felt deserved, considering how difficult-to-play Adrestia is.

kindred frost
#

we got new skills or something?

#

libra used a skill I never seen before

kindred frost
#

bro its like I can stoic chain anymore

#

like I do a force skill, then someone does a SA and I lose stoic in the delay????

gritty wadi
gritty wadi
gritty wadi
kindred frost
#

the crippling cycle of me:

  • goes to pvp
  • gets my butt beat
  • "man I hate this! I need better gear. You know what im gonna work on my gear, seriously this time"
  • life gets in the way and I cant/I forgot
  • finally gets time to pvp again
  • gets my butt beat again and the cycle continues
mystic elbow
#

my cycle:

  • Joins 2s
  • Has fun
  • Wishlock joins
  • still fun
  • starmeow joins
  • somehow they end up on the same team everytime
  • ok break time.
dull forum
#

😹

empty ore
#

Skill issue

mystic elbow
#

i think that was made very clear arkie

noble pelican
mystic elbow
#

That has never happened

dull forum
#

Askem

kindred frost
mystic elbow
#

idk i never thought of that

mystic elbow
kindred frost
#

hes p chill hell probably say yes

buoyant folio
#

Brain

kindred frost
#

Would anyone wanna 2s with me?

dusty pelican
#

Reminding again to sign up for my 1s tournament if you'd like to.

KoG's prize will become bigger the more people there are!

https://forms.gle/HfvNQZ4FQofezkau7

#

Dates, times and rules are in the form. ^

buoyant folio
#

i've never looked into BQ until now

#

😭 what is this

#

whoops wrong channel

#

too lazy to repost.. 😔

noble pelican
kindred frost
#

I got no assignments due tomorrow so imma hop on pvp after 10:30

#

Imma jump EVERYBODY

kindred frost
#

I mana broke, slid while on the ground, rolled off the edge and got hit

buoyant folio
#

Mana Slide

kindred frost
#

mana crime

#

mana heartbreak

#

mana pain

kindred frost
#

is 2s poppin rn

empty ore
#

Nope

kindred frost
kindred frost
#

que for 2sss

#

im streaming to see if 2s come alive

cyan quail
#

pog

kindred frost
mystic elbow
#

n it still hit u 250k

kindred frost
#

I cant do it man

dull forum
#

also CA has the same hitbox with heaven fist unmod and mod

abstract yacht
#

that was guillotine press btw.

oblique sundial
#

250k is ambush numbers

kindred frost
#

I wonder if I can change it

kindred frost
kindred frost
dull forum
#

gott hitting 800k

#

pen bullet hitting 1m

#

250k is notin

kindred frost
#

I wanna go home.

#

I can’t compete with this

#

I can’t afford +11s like this and I don’t have that much time to grind. Sadge

noble pelican
#

Pretty nutty

#

[Mod] Heavy Press also has a fun hitbox

empty ore
#

Like sword Fall

#

Absolutely nutty that thing is 200mp

dull forum
#

140mp

#

broski

#

:j

#

or less idk leon knows

#

but that aint a bravery

#

😹

empty ore
#

Yes, mpr skews things heavily.

#

I just wanted to make a fair comparison.

#

You know a bravery is gonna hurt.

#

Strengths are a tossup.

dull forum
#

hmmmm thats kinda cap

#

<madpax transcendence one>

empty ore
#

White box only hitting about 300k with high gear

dull forum
#

D i m e n s i o n b r e a k e r

empty ore
#

Isnt that a bravery too? Maybe you meant moonlight breaker

#

Oh oh

#

you were talking about how weak it is

#

Then yeah point to you

mystic elbow
#

falling dragon :)

empty ore
#

You might as well have said Iceberg

mystic elbow
#

both suck

dull forum
#

grandcrosslol

buoyant folio
#

Grand CrossLessSoreRoll

dark wind
#

Any more I should’ve went to the lottery

kindred frost
#

GUYS

#

GUYS

#

OH MY GOD

#

okay this is unrelated but

#

Okay so I was watching this video that brought up another YouTuber who was a major anti aging enthusiast so I decided to check out their channel right

#

HOW IS A “BASIC SKIN CARE ROUTINE” AN HOUR LONG VIDEO

#

Like he does he dedicate a whole hours to do this ??

#

I gotta do an assignment so I can’t watch it rn Hngg CURIOSITY AND ADHD

empty ore
#

Of course it's an Asian. They love their anti aging stuff

kindred frost
#

I think he’s white, his name it Brandon miles

#

Lemme see

#

Idk he loooks white though

abstract yacht
#

the purpose of them? cover you from getting tanned

#

especially the face, it has like a little hardy thing at the top to work like a hat and the zipper can go all the way to your nose

#

I bought one just because I thought it was fun

kindred frost
empty ore
#

Skill issue

#

He literally has years of playing experience and playing a top tier.

#

He carries ppl because GN is so oppressive he can 1v2 you.

#

Good freaking luck saving your partner

kindred frost
#

like idk something about losing to someone who’s carrying someone

#

Makes me upset

empty ore
#

For me the problem is that because you arent fighting a real "team" Its raw unfair to you.

#

Well

#

More like a team using a strategy thats annoying.

cyan pine
#

You can thank KoG and Nexon for having GN still be unapproachable and dam near unstoppable when he just iron body his way through your hp bar only way you can stop gn is hope you can freeze frame burst but good luck getting mp cause he is going to be catching you first cause ha ha jokes on you infinte up zx free catch

#

RV is in the same boat

#

Same with AD to a certain point

heavy spear
#

the unholy trinity of neutral

abstract yacht
#

like, Arkie said it best, it's literally skill issue in this context
someone who has been playing for years and is consistently top star ranks?

#

he even proved he's not gear carried by getting top star rank even with sparr gear (before duelist was a thing)

#

(and old sparr gears were garbage)

dull forum
#

Y we acting like CA ain't the same tier as ad RV gs

#

☠️

#

Special neutral wise

abstract yacht
#

cuz even CA has problems facing RV and AD

#

those 2 are just an obstacle even for the other top tier classes

#

their perma SA is just that dumb

mystic elbow
#

no she dont

#

she just presses mod slap in its over

cyan quail
#

Only time CA has issues in neutral vs those classes is if they're particularly laggy

#

Other than that she should be winning interactions

#

And when they have MP she can just choose to not interact and force them to go after her

#

Forcing them to burn MP when she can just get out with an active/tenacity

heavy spear
#

lemme just bring this up again in regards to CA

mystic elbow
#

geesus christ that was 5 months ago

#

😭

cyan quail
#

If we're talking about specifics, fighting VNs or even that one RV in tourney was pretty hard since CA's command slap wouldn't track them correctly and it's pretty hard to react to unironically 1.5s delay, even on CA

#

Even Core wouldn't track on my screen and would affect them 1.5s later

#

Other than those niche scenarios she really shouldn't struggle in neutral vs anyone

dull forum
#

Ur my hero

#

Hickeys too for being smart

#

Y'all are my jujutsu kaisen

fiery lionBOT
#
g.g.g has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

dull forum
#

Joy

#

Unironically y'all gotta play vs some nuri

mystic elbow
#

🤝

dull forum
#

zxx

#

And the moment u challenge then

#

Jet jump lol

#

Mind photograph lol

#

Slap lol

abstract yacht
#

me preparing stun shot:

dull forum
#

Gs RV don't got stuns and spearheads stun is delayed

mystic elbow
#

Not gonna stop her from pressing any of those buttons

dull forum
#

The amount of times Ive stunned a ca

abstract yacht
#

I have stopped a lot of CAs with it actually

dull forum
#

On ad just for them to not care

mystic elbow
#

I’ve bulldozed thru a lot of stuns actually

#

AD is like the one stun that I can’t always mash out of

dull forum
#

Well duh stunshot is the 2nd best stun active in the game

mystic elbow
#

But anyone else’s I just mash out

#

Especially with broken jet jump

#

Storing on itself

#

🤣🫵

abstract yacht
#

Reflects who?

dull forum
mystic elbow
#

Lmaooo

dull forum
#

Unironically people be saying like just punish the super armor gap

#

Just to eat 40%

#

Off of the 20mp active

mystic elbow
#

Only for it to also proc core and me getting a combo out of it

#

😭

hollow hound
#

After quitting pvp with my CE for a while, I feel better.

#

But I usually go to sparr.

noble pelican
kindred frost
kindred frost
#

idk if CA wins every interaction but I think its save to say she wins most interactions

#

my gear isnt all that great either, maybe if I had better gear I could compete with higher rank players more

#

but im poor

mystic elbow
#

well yea its not gonna work 100% bc of light resist being a thing but it does work majority of the time

#

its not a gear thing though

#

its just light resist + if the person is delayed/lagging

#

i dont think there's anything in this game that ever works 100% of the time

kindred frost
#

That is true as well

#

Darn I didn’t know you can get light resist so good you barely spend any time stunned

noble pelican
#

it's around 490+ light from my experince

#

if they have max, may as well not risk using stun skills against them

#

lost too many matches 'cause of light

celest ore
#

yeah very high light resist is actually basically insta escape

dull forum
#

This happened last night

kindred frost
#

Note to self: max light resist

#

smh yall

#

today is apartment clean up day for me, my comforter doesnt fit in the washing machine so I looked up what to do and a lot of people was theirs in the tub

#

wash your sheets regularly yall that water is getting brown 🤮 my comforter lookin like they about the start the next plot for resident evil with its disease

clever sigil
kindred frost
#

Bro I am STILL. CLEANING

#

I don’t WANT to scrub the tub man

#

But I have to

kindred frost
#

Oh that wasn’t so bad this time. I’m gonna buy this cleaning solution again!

kindred frost
#

Posting this I hopes it motivates other people cause deep cleaning sucks but the results are so worth it

empty ore
#

Wow, impressive space

kindred frost
#

Ty 🙂

warm hornet
#

don't need to deep clean if you never made a mess in the first place.

noble pelican
kindred frost
empty ore
fiery lionBOT
#
mishani has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

mental rose
#

y no specific section...

kindred frost
kindred frost
#

its me mona 🙂

stable nymph
# fiery lion

more than a decade l8r and kog stil trying 2 muzzle mish ; \

empty ore
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Holy crap

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Also what were those missles..

knotty kraken
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saturation bombing

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one of the two cBerthe forces

abstract yacht
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30 seconds CD btw.

cyan quail
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Fair

empty ore
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Under normal circumstances it does look like it would feed

stable nymph
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i think he kills even without it, but ig free dmg is free dmg

knotty kraken
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it does feed like hell

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but ig you cant mb then 🤷‍♀️

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guess you die

abstract yacht
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yeah but look at the dmg.

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16 bullets
293% each
4.6k%

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' -'

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if it wasn't for the fact that it's a force skill (therefore no ASD, skill tier and all that stuff) that'd be a 100-0

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some ppl say that's mbable but I haven't really seen any instance of anyone mb'ing it

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and if it was, nothing a good mb-lock skill can't solve.

celest ore
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wait why is it only 30 seconds

abstract yacht
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like BQ's active.

knotty kraken
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it might also splash too

mental rose
hollow hound
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I am taking about NA, btw.

mental rose
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putting a 4 second cd on aisha's TP is so cringe..

buoyant folio
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make it 12

knotty kraken
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remove aisha's tp skill

stable nymph
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where the hud where the hud where the hud where the hudya

mint sierra
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HELO

kindred frost
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Me: Oh! My financial aide refund dropped I should be respons-
"Spend it on elsword"
Me: NO.
"Its free money, gear up"
Me: NO STOP THERE ARE BETTER THINGS-
"finally +11 your gear stop being stompped in 2s"
me: ITS JUST A GAME IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT
"maybe even finally be star rank"
me: ARRGHHHH

noble pelican
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Can even be switched with getting a paycheck

cyan pine
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Telling you now +12 with +11 armor you will and can still get your stuff rocked

dull forum
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Full 11 12 soa to get scummed by a better player

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☠️

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Or broken class

kindred frost
kindred frost
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i decided imma use it to pay off my small credit cards, pay off this negative balance in my bank account and put the rest in a CD account to start saving for a house

empty ore
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YEAH MONA

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DO that

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be a reasonable adult instead of power on a dying game! D:

kindred frost
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you are right like

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when I spent like 50+ dollars

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on a darn hair dye I didnt get

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and a suit that would be good for pvp costing 100 dollars

celest ore
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this game costs too much to be spending

kindred frost
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its like the mmo equivilant of tiktok shop man

celest ore
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if you aint loading up $200 nothing happens

kindred frost
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like i been watching videos of overconsumption and while I dont buy make up or random gadgets in tiktok, this is my overconsumption temptation

kindred frost
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moving out and strugglig really honed my disipline.

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I can see why people say struggle builds character

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I remind myself its a fun little game I play in between my major life goals

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its tough but its necessary

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the other thing that REALLY GOT ME THO

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was I wanted to get more com art of my oc Mona 😭

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my precious baby...

celest ore
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thats why i just take it slow and play at my own pace

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ive seen too many shenanigans with money over my admittedly so far short life to let myself get taken advantage of by some krmmo

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me going f2p out of principles not budget

kindred frost
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Thats also really solid

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these games as well as gachas use psychological tactics to entice us to spend more money

celest ore
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real

kindred frost
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I think its good to keep in mind the power we have as consumers, if we stopped giving into these tactics and stoped sending money, things would change

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cause it really is so nonsense that you have to gamble for the hair you want, it really is.

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id rather spend 10 dollars and get the gaurunteed than spend 160 a bajillion times

celest ore
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😔 yeah dye being rng scared me off

kindred frost
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it genuienyl dissapointed me

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that was back when I quit, but I got the email

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and I was excited, to see it was rng just...

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blegh.

celest ore
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thinking about that one game with free, guaranteed dye colors for any item

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fellas, i still miss maplestory 2

kindred frost
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Yeah fr...

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I have a very gothic style so I love black hairs, eve doesnt have many good black hairs

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so that made me really happy

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then made me really sad

celest ore
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😭

celest ore
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is that your cs?

mystic elbow
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i just did my dailies like this

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😭

mystic elbow
celest ore
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"i know its an alt but why do i have negative damage rn"