pvp

[mystic elbow]

thats not good depending on that persons gear

[cyan pine]

Aps was never meant to be a solo

Not ever character was made for solo dps

[mystic elbow]

that doesnt matter, the fact of the matter is most good dps classes can solo. doesn't matter if its not what kog intended

even if she duo'd thats 10-12min, and that's not good for a duo depending on gear

cuz devi can solo at 10min

7min if +12

but yea point is those patches weren't good

sure they fixed aps now but most of it

was either bandaid fixes

or they didnt fix anything

or they buffed characters (mpx/bq)

that didn't need it

[cyan pine]

Cannot speak for bq as bq is on a whole northern spectrum cause of bad coding. As for MpX they lost a selfish mag damage increase for themselves and a small nerf on shred to give back party snergy if anything that really buffed him up was the animation canceling on majority of his cycling skills

[mystic elbow]

if u take mpx pre-buff and mpx post buff, he didn't need any changes is what im saying

[cyan pine]

And honestly sure MPx was in a good state beforehand but I definitely enjoy how they changed him but DB is still the strongest add as of current as meta chasers

[mystic elbow]

bq pre-buff and bq-post buff also didn't need changes

he was already a top dps

and he still is a top dps

DB actually did need changes because he was falling behind

DoM needed a full on rework even though he becomes the strongest dps during his MC skill

and OM is falling behind in terms of supporting

more than likely OM will stay hybrid because he's flat out not needed almost anywhere

[cyan pine]

DoM shouldn't have been touched or completely reworked to the point were they reworked his entire class

[mystic elbow]

DoM was rly strong, but he requires a lot of erp to upkeep. So he already had a huge drawback of needing a lot of erp

[buoyant folio]

💀

[cyan pine]

OM is alright he is still being taken in abyss and challenge

[mystic elbow]

Just about every healer is gonna be taken over OM

RaS being hybrid meant she was also being taken over OM

ppl will take DeM

over OM

[buoyant folio]

is this a PvE discussion in my PvP channel 🤓 ☝️

[cyan pine]

They have already said they will make DeM mag only and OM phys only

If ppl "abuse" them their words not mine

[mystic elbow]

if they continue to be heavily wanted by the other side yes,

DeM will most likely be changed

but no mag party rly takes OM

even in phys parties Nyx and possibly AV will be taken over OM

[cyan pine]

OM only really needs his v key to be party wide even if that means nerfing the raw it gives

Everything else

He is pretty set his attack support is pretty high and is fairly taken in challenge. He can even dps if ppl build him that way of course people love the easy route so they just jc to DB or MPx but atleast it's not totally dead like DoM

[mystic elbow]

M'not saying he's bad

im saying other characters

are better

Not to mention these pve patches made pvp further a broken mess

re-awk, new giga prominance, new brandish, changes in general

changes

who else

I'm not pressed by new conq cuz it procs shield so often and it doesn't have the linger old conq had

DME now being a full on usable nuke

[cyan pine]

Reason why I think they should just hang up the pvp side for good clearly this current and last pvp patch shows they don't know what to do

[mystic elbow]

Inferno hitting 900k

yea they definitely dont

"not enough data" is what they said

despite tournaments, livestreams, videos etc

providing a lot of data

[cyan pine]

To be fair atleast new conq can be clocked and not be shafted by lingering hitboxes

[mystic elbow]

and its not like ppl haven't been on forums saying what changes they want

[cyan pine]

Still feel like with the nerf +12 users are gonna 1 shot unless they made the new weapon only

[mystic elbow]

ya im not upset by new conq

given how good duelist is

even +10s are one shotting rn

characters are able to completely ignore their system and still one shot

cough

[cyan pine]

Still don't understand why she has a cancel mb skill

She literally shreds just with commands

[mystic elbow]

she also negates your dmg red as well

[cyan pine]

Idk I think doing good command damage or skill damage but not both

Would be nice

[mystic elbow]

ya

personally id prefer to do command dmg

[cyan pine]

That's another thing the multi awaken buff for every character

Adds took a big L

Just remove freeze frame from awaken make it like adds

Where it has hitstun

Combo extender

[mystic elbow]

i dont mind awks but i mind booms

i mind re-awk 100%

[empty ore]

Im glad im not the only one who feels this way. Old conq was a two hit menance.

New one can be clocked or escaped real easy

[mystic elbow]

yea n if u i-frame it thats it

u dont get hit 2 seconds after

😭

u can also pre-break it

well easily pre-break iirc

[cyan pine]

I think the change is alright I just hate the fact that RH who also has a Conq type move that one shots doesn't need to get any stacks of a buff doesn't need to do anything but click the button

[empty ore]

RH aint fair man. DS is too good for what it is.

[cyan pine]

Make clock be able to be used mid freeze frame and it would be a live saver

Cause that awaken DS is coming

[graceful nexus]

So in the older days BQ didn't have a lot of the catching utility that she has now. So by the time you caught someone you were probably losing the match and they had mp so you never really got to use her commands. Wasn't as bad in 1v1 but basically would make her nearly unplayable in 2s outside of tanking to death and coming back to life and brandishing one person.

Nowadays she has delay catches, auto aim skills, and fullscreen brandish. So part of her kit doesn't really make that much sense anymore. I think the reason it hasn't been nerfed more is because Genesis still has it.

Also the Mana Break changes (if they are coming out with it this patch) is probably being revealed next week with the pvp weapon and stuff.

[gilded slate]

Im surprised the patch didnt go more on a class by class basis, but they said going forward theyre gonna look more at the rankings or whatever in KR.

So maybe hope?

[graceful nexus]

The air dashes are gunna be scary but im actually more scared of the apparent >>ZZZ and >>X changes. Because it sounds like they just changed those normals as well as giving more super armor to >>ZZZ.

Which is really stupid because some of the ains have extensions off of those normals that would be really dumb if you could go into them faster...

[gilded slate]

Idk if its gonna make a huge diff on BL tbh.

But its prolly gonna make a diff on OP.

[graceful nexus]

BL sucks atm

so he prob still gunna suck.

[gilded slate]

Yeah I dont think SA is gonna save BL at all lol.

[graceful nexus]

Its just a RI/HR/Opf buff tbh

I think the devs just dont know what to actually nerf. Which is why they didnt do anything and used the excuse that they want to wait for pvp weapons to happen.

[gilded slate]

Thats fair cause tbh pvp weaps depending on how they are could change things up a bit.

[graceful nexus]

Because outside of conq and shadow step the nerfs they did were kinda weird.

[gilded slate]

Cause it sounds like theyre banning pve weaps in pvp.

[graceful nexus]

I dont think so

[gilded slate]

Unless giggle translate fooling me.

[graceful nexus]

its the opposite

you cant go into dungeons with it

Daejeon is giggle translate for pvp

[gilded slate]

Man why they gotta state the obvious then.

[graceful nexus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gilded slate]

WHO IS GONNA GO INTO PVE WITH PVP STUFF ON

[graceful nexus]

Beats me

[gilded slate]

[graceful nexus]

LOL

And the wording makes it sound like

PvP weapon has specialize

but I guess that was to be expected

[gilded slate]

Yeah, has to be up to date with current weaps.

[mystic elbow]

It happened to me with old spar gear

[gilded slate]

Altho dunno if its gonna be as good or not yet.

[mystic elbow]

It can happen to anyone!

https://tenor.com/view/lawandodermeme-gif-22348267

[gilded slate]

Gotta PvP the bosses.

[mystic elbow]

I did not think that gif was that long

[graceful nexus]

I cant believe

instead of revamping the dodge skills

so that the bad dodge skills arent bad

they just take Ara's bug and make it a mechanic

But now she has a broken dodge skill

[mystic elbow]

Im cool with that

S m i l e

Best reversal dodge in game

I love it

[graceful nexus]

its actually

better than Elesis/Elsword's cuz you can act sooner iirc

[mystic elbow]

Its very fast

[gilded slate]

YEAH WHERE ARE THE 'EVASION MACHINE' CHANGES

[mystic elbow]

Especially given what actives Ara has

Imagine Surya > esc > mod convert

[graceful nexus]

evasion machine?

[gilded slate]

Idk thats what they giggle translate to in KR LOL

[graceful nexus]

whats evasion machine

[gilded slate]

Escape skills.

[graceful nexus]

oh

[gilded slate]

Altho I think its neat they made that Ara bug a feature.

[graceful nexus]

all this patch did was set KoG up to make more balance patches every 2 weeks until they get it right

cuz they dont wanna do a big patch

[gilded slate]

Yeah.

[graceful nexus]

Thats not neat

[gilded slate]

But hey maybe this will make all the Aishas disappear right...? Haha...

[mystic elbow]

IT IS NEAT

[graceful nexus]

now I have to deal with backfliping into dragon.

[mystic elbow]

her esc skill was so awful

Jump into the air to get hit again or have someone just awk and hit u

[graceful nexus]

if they slow it down

maybe its ok

[mystic elbow]

We’ll have to see in game sometimes ppl are still able to flat out avoid it

Mostly if i do shadow blast

Over mana drain

[gilded slate]

I think its neat that they just said hey were gonna fix this by making the bug a mechanic.

Instead of just doing something completely different LOL

[graceful nexus]

thats what they normally do

[gilded slate]

Cutting costs!

[graceful nexus]

just look at Title Swapping

[gilded slate]

True.

The classic KoG method of is it a bug? Or is it a feature?

[mystic elbow]

They coulda removed it 💀

[graceful nexus]

Title Swapping make a game crashing bug?!? Lets just make a new system for it.

[mystic elbow]

Like what they did to

[graceful nexus]

[mystic elbow]

Mpx’ tech

[graceful nexus]

MPx tech wasnt a bug tho

it was just broken

[mystic elbow]

It was a bug 😭😭😭

Thats why its gone

[graceful nexus]

what bug

[mystic elbow]

Some idiot asked if it was a bug during tourney

When mpx could use a skill after phase shoft

Shift

[graceful nexus]

we must be talking about

[mystic elbow]

Mid air

[graceful nexus]

different things

[mystic elbow]

Yea prob

[graceful nexus]

oh

yea thats a bug

[gilded slate]

Moder cancelling bug my beloved.

[mystic elbow]

He used to be able to phase shift n use smth in air

And no one was even thinking about it til he asked the gm about it

N they just removed it

💀💀💀💀

[graceful nexus]

u know why

they nerfed hellfire gatling

[mystic elbow]

No

[graceful nexus]

https://www.twitch.tv/chillyday/clip/CulturedInterestingClamDxAbomb-rCO1K7VloOgUcdyl

I swear

they just saw this clip

because no one was using this button

😭

[mystic elbow]

SOB

“Wow thats broken”

LOOOL

Isnt he also

+12

And full 11

[graceful nexus]

ya he's prob

the most geared raven I think

actually no

the most geared raven is probably Sage

[gilded slate]

LOL

[graceful nexus]

Its always Sage

[mystic elbow]

Guy is casually hitting me 80k

[gilded slate]

I love how that just came out so fast, pause, then death.

[mystic elbow]

Does that skill normally push or smth

And can be mb’d/clock?

[graceful nexus]

You can probably mana break it

but ull have eaten most of it

considering how fast it is

[empty ore]

Oh yeah NI with his stun resist

[fiery lion]

arkspine has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[empty ore]

God LS gonna be so butt now.

Just go ahead and use cyclone for your Lightning stacks

[dark wind]

I don’t think that’s true at all 🥲

I’d imagine it only affects after the skill finishes

Unless some people just can straight out mash during it which I don’t think will be the case it’ll be fine

[graceful nexus]

prob can with a debuff passive

also depends on where in it you get hit

sometimes you dont get blasted if ur at the edges

makes it alot easier to get out if its 1 second

[empty ore]

Im on coping mode until I can see vids

Anyone with stun resist though? Dont even press that button.
NI, MPx,Cat,BL,Chungs,APs,RI, BL

[dark wind]

Just say cc

[hollow hound]

I never thought this especific LA was so salty, lol.

[oblique sundial]

Does it start with a t and end with an a

[hollow hound]

Start with an A and finish with a y.

[mystic elbow]

two letter?

[hollow hound]

Yeah.

[mystic elbow]

yea they can be

[empty ore]

No,i cant trust FP and Cent either.

[dark wind]

I don’t ever see cent get stunned cuz they’re always in super armor

Slap or backdoor don’t even work

[oblique sundial]

lightning shower vs cata is my favorite meme

character can and will just mash through the entire thing

[knotty kraken]

imagine only having 58% crit in pvp

[lavish socket]

imagine using that lanox title that take out ur crit for a chance of both full crit and more crit dmg

[knotty kraken]

hehe

[warm hornet]

jokes on you, i have 24% crit rate and using indomitable will.

[knotty kraken]

with my usual setup without oor i have 39%

just from random lines

[kindred frost]

Take THAT oz

Alright how did they gut CA

[empty ore]

CA? Gutted? Ha ha you jest

[kindred frost]

Wow, still untouched?

[empty ore]

Of course

[kindred frost]

Wow

[willow mural]

this pvp balance is trash

they fixed nothing

😂

im glad i had no expectations

it took yall a month for this?

[buoyant folio]

fr

LOL

I like some of the nerfs though

Aisha and Rena got hurt

[willow mural]

about time

didnt do anything about the obvious people

gn

rv

proph

did nothing to laby

nothing was done for the classes that can just spam super armor like im

the couldve fixed the mpr meta

no one should be popping out braveries 20 seconds into the match 😐

[buoyant folio]

fr

I just

killed a 4th path lithia

How annoying LOL

they really used sticker + flag

😭

They're really called "Stank" too so you can tell they're a troll player

[kindred frost]

Unrelated but thought provoking

[graceful nexus]

My only guess is that somehow the changes they have for mana breaking and junk thats going to be revealed next week ties into these characters somehow.

But that's just a bit cope.

I think the devs are basically trying to decide what characters should stay strong permanently. Since I think theyre getting tired of shaking the meta up for it to just be bad again.

It was the feeling I got when they unnerfed CS.

So its probably unlikely CA is going to get any major changes.

[twin pawn]

praying they dont actually touch mana breaking and instead double down on nuking AeS stuns and a lot of stoic commands and just Laby in general

[willow mural]

This current meta is so buns

You better not making mana breaking worse

That is the only thing saving me from being comboed to death

And they really need to do something about all the super armor

[versed knot]

Mb is now 300mp per use!

[buoyant folio]

The fact that they gave Ain more super armor is so atrocious

[kindred frost]

Base ain?

[buoyant folio]

yyyyyyes

[twin pawn]

[kindred frost]

Darn

Gotta keep that in mind

I think I'll be okay...

[buoyant folio]

hm??

[mystic elbow]

Mod slap

🗣️ 🔥

[buoyant folio]

🗣️ 🔥

[hollow hound]

How salty is "s...sir"?

They think he hit SSS with +9 armours

While other people don't

That person think unbalanced pvp does not exist?

😂

[willow mural]

i beat that person multiple times on my fl

[buoyant folio]

I wouldn't listen to anything he says

he's 24/7 just being sarcastic/trolling

unserious, etc.

If it is who I think it is that is

Also they use plague build to win iirc

[hollow hound]

Guys, G---g is my biggest fan. They even s/o me in mepaphones.

I feel so honored.

[buoyant folio]

lol

[hollow hound]

They are very vengeful.

o.o

[mystic elbow]

They in love with u fr

[hollow hound]

I see.

[warm hornet]

i bet it'll be one hell of a twist if you give compliments instead.

[mystic elbow]

“Your way of being a complete waste of space to society astounds me”

😍

[warm hornet]

ehh... close enough.

[hollow hound]

I will. 😈

[abstract yacht]

if u need to switch class as a need to be good then I dont think you are good in the first place...

[buoyant folio]

real

[clever sigil]

inb4 Switching from a toptier to a lowtier :v

but ye. They do need to check their energy. whoever it was that's doing the flagging/ BMing(badmouthing)

[hollow hound]

I need a list of problematic people in sparr/pvp I should avoid. DM me.

[graceful nexus]

Nah thats nuts

[mystic elbow]

I thought we already made that list

[versed knot]

I didnt see it 👀

Pls send one

[buoyant folio]

Woah send one over too

[graceful nexus]

I did like my first day of Mischief PvP and playing her reminded me more of Rune Master than Adrestia which is what I thought it would be like after seeing the dive. Her dive is actually slower than I thought. Broken character though.

I never saw the KR Mischiefs in streams use Phantom Phenomenon but I kinda like it...

[mystic elbow]

u can go see it in the other discord

😒

[versed knot]

But I dont wannaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mystic elbow]

tough

[versed knot]

;-;

[graceful nexus]

mood

[hollow hound]

😢

[oblique sundial]

Every add player

[buoyant folio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085006635094773813/1196115634027765800/etw_pls_let_me_win.gif?ex=65b6747d&is=65a3ff7d&hm=9bec94a4494d1a0ab4dc2c286878bfe8b7730bc9e16b76f6b71b7d2afc710bdd&

[twin pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495997785162907651/1101185164975030292/1081771132010627072.gif

[mystic elbow]

not like he's wrong ongod

😭

[willow mural]

send it to me too

[mystic elbow]

u dont even spar.

[buoyant folio]

Wouldn't it still be a good idea to have it

it's generally just ppl to avoid

hand over the list Cass...

[twin pawn]

[buoyant folio]

Wyntteruereus

[twin pawn]

consume leene

lerne

lorno

worno

gorno

[mystic elbow]

yall just want the tea

😭

[willow mural]

ye

[twin pawn]

yes

[willow mural]

ee

no

yes

[graceful nexus]

Shameless

[twin pawn]

[buoyant folio]

YES

YOU'RE SO RIGHT

I WANT TEAAAA

[mystic elbow]

too bad its an outdated list

[buoyant folio]

Aw

it's okay...

outdated lists are fine....

[mystic elbow]

BROS DESPERATE FOR OLD TEA

[knotty kraken]

expired

[hollow hound]

Me too.

[versed knot]

Just about any tea is good ngl

I'm tired of ryxma and ginger tea

[mystic elbow]

u already got the tea dummy

[versed knot]

I have chugged so much tea I forgot which tea I sipped so far

[buoyant folio]

all of them

[abstract yacht]

it's kinda like

99% of the ppl ain't it

[boreal kayak]

who the hell designed sword fall

[fiery lion]

overlord_cameron has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[boreal kayak]

want to have a NICE long talk with the sob

i mean could IS be any more braindead

or Immortal sorry

[abstract yacht]

the skill was re-designed for PvE purposes

PvP just happens to suffer as a byproduct because the game does not roll PvP as a completely separated content, only differing stat/dmg values at most

[boreal kayak]

i mean the fact each sword does like 30% of your health lol

[celest ore]

if it makes you feel any better kog has never designed an intentional pvp nuke

whole game past 2016 is entirely accidental

[mystic elbow]

No

Literally 1% nowadays

[graceful nexus]

I didn't know the 0mp skill bug still existed.

[abstract yacht]

there are many bugs we think they were fixed but reality is they just somehow became less common but still exist

the wonders of Elsword :^)

[celest ore]

i mean i dont play 2s but like

im surprised nope bridge is still in the game

thats one big bug in itself

[buoyant folio]

Y'know

it's so funny how easily they could fix PvE skills being overtuned for PvP

simply.. limit the range of certain skills? 🙄

[kindred frost]

is tha that one add mainb

its so hard to not wanna cash hard on els sometimes

like I wanna set money side for els as a secondary thing

but the idea og having good gear and doing bette r in 2s is so satisfying

[abstract yacht]

I personally would love like, an entirely new set purely for PvP but then again that would remove part of the essence of "feeling the character"

cuz what is to have X skill to identify the character if the skill is limited to specific contents only

[kindred frost]

you know this situation of els pvp balancing reminds me of irl capitalism

• we all generally want a free and balances aren
• however, the elites/whales are the main reason for the hesitation, because if things were more balanced they would suffer the most while everyone would gain
• despite them being in the minority, their input still has more weight due to their monitary contributions to the game

[graceful nexus]

iirc the reason this never happened was because it would be too much to program.

Kinda what happens when stuff isn't separate from the start

Though if they did that it would fix alot about pvp but its alot of work.

[abstract yacht]

tbh the concept is funny and that's purely the reason I want it but I'm aware that's a lot more coding to happen

plus what's to guarantee that if there was a PvP specific skill tree, there wouldn't be dumber skills there than in PvE's side

[gritty wadi]

owo

[abstract yacht]

some skills at the very least should act differently from their PvE counterpart, or the easier side which is what Lerne said

after all they have made certain skills smaller in PvP in the past

now they don't even bother to do that
so we just have
these massive skills in PvP despite the size being purely designed for PvE only

I mean just look at the new windmill mod 💀

[mystic elbow]

DB now has the same thing too

💀

Not to mention TBs new skills

BlM’s new skill

[graceful nexus]

blm's new skill is atrocious

just have your life ended instantly

[kindred frost]

WE

ARE UP RN

[graceful nexus]

op

[willow mural]

That should have been the very first thing we should have seen nerfs for in the pvp patch

Yes I love being one shot when someones 12 miles away 😐

[graceful nexus]

its rly dumb but its kinda just how the game is now.

sometimes you gotta just run up and press random buttons just incase someone does a fullscreen nuke.

[boreal kayak]

its okay everyone

just play BlM, play for mod bloody carnival, win!

or play IM, and play for sword fall!

[abstract yacht]

back then:

gets beaten for screen resolution difference

now:

not even 21:9 will save you from the unseen chain

[versed knot]

I havent fought hayai after the whole blm buff, but before then I'd get nuked offscreen from MHS

[celest ore]

me with the offscreen crossmap yolo pen snipe

you know watching where haunting spirit goes is a really good way to just

el noscope folks fr

[versed knot]

God if I ever make a MN vid I'll do exactly that then credit you

[celest ore]

LOL

🙏

[mystic elbow]

I wish i had that

[versed knot]

Press vanilla fox fire, it'll do that for you ❤️

[knotty kraken]

watch me start chunking people with splashy splash and mod mont blanc

powerplays

[graceful nexus]

its like the same except 2x distance.

Also Light Knockout and Invitation is kinda crazy.

[twin pawn]

consume agrani

[graceful nexus]

[clear chasm]

just tried pvp for a bit, newcomer

is there pvp stats? someone just killed me in like one combo it felt like, didnt seem long either

[graceful nexus]

You can get +9 duelist armor from a quest after doing some matches

And yes theres stats in pvp.

[clear chasm]

is there any reason some people are just letting me win

even if i give em a bit they just seem to stand there

[twin pawn]

doing pvp dailies

[mystic elbow]

Theyre usually afking for fighters potion

[abstract yacht]

well, ain't gonna sugarcoat it

That's what you'll see 98% of the times

[clear chasm]

genesis seems neat, no idea what im doing properly but catching ppl with the air dash move is satisfying

also kinda wanna try furious blade after getting owned by one

[mystic elbow]

Holy exaggeration

U stop seeing afk ppl like that in S rank on certain days and definitely SS+

Imo they just get rid of the quest allowing u to afk like that

It should be wins.

[clear chasm]

or maybe deal x amount of dmg in pvp

im assuming id get owned but it is kinda lame

[versed knot]

Best you have got is doing more pvp, learn and repeat

Youtube vids of your char works too

[abstract yacht]

exaggeration...?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/815241137044455434.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[clear chasm]

yeah been watching a few, other than me completely dropping at the end cuz still figuring stuff out but is this real or am i just resetting them? if so i love this char, didnt know this game had air combo stuff in pvp https://streamable.com/pqzd1p

[abstract yacht]

the game doesn't, for the most part

only few characters can actually manage to make aerial combos

[clear chasm]

ive been reading about z drops and stuffm but what got me wanting to try was seeing a genesis do something that looked like air combos in pvp

[versed knot]

Technically xdrop is an air combo

[clear chasm]

x drop sorry

[versed knot]

You're good fam

[clear chasm]

i just liked the fancy air dash in combos

looks cool

[versed knot]

Glad to have another soul in the pvp hell

[abstract yacht]

even Minerva, Rose, the first class to be designed intentionally to work with aerial theme; can't actually combo around the air

[versed knot]

We're real slums in here

[clear chasm]

ive played some egregious stuff im ready for worse 😩

[versed knot]

Name them

[clear chasm]

lost saga

[versed knot]

i'm listening 👀

Oh lord

[clear chasm]

rumble fighter

getamped/getamped 2

[versed knot]

Okok nvm you'll survive in els lol

[clear chasm]

im ready for pain

[versed knot]

If you'd like to practice

i'm down to ball you up

Anytime

[abstract yacht]

air combo as in, actually maneuvering mid-air while keeping the opponent in hitstun, for my sense at least
I don't think ^X on Ara is considerable air combo considering you don't actually stay in air

[versed knot]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's ok force

It's ok

[clear chasm]

im game i really kinda like the look of the game so far more than i thought i would

they get more or less what im sayin

i think

[versed knot]

I gotcha

It's a great mechanic we got here

[mystic elbow]

Yes

[clear chasm]

its not really that aerial but having some aerial flair to combos keeps me going

[abstract yacht]

of..?

[clear chasm]

https://streamable.com/yxrk2z

im gonna go ahead and assume i cant do this in pvp

[mystic elbow]

[clear chasm]

lying dummy 😭

[mystic elbow]

Ik this about to turn into an argument so im not even gonna bother wit u

[versed knot]

You can, if your fingers are fast

But

[clear chasm]

wait for real

[versed knot]

Efficiency wise

[mystic elbow]

U can yes

[versed knot]

It's not worth

Since KD values are a thing

[clear chasm]

oh but i can be fancy

[mystic elbow]

It might look different because lower is different from other characters

[clear chasm]

and just not do the last part

[versed knot]

And you'll let your opponent go for free of charge

[mystic elbow]

So if u rly want to test it you’ll have to grab a player

[clear chasm]

yeah if i just didnt do the air combo at the end

and x drop into a combo

thats all i want

[mystic elbow]

And test it on multiple characters cuz they all have different weights

Im ngl to u

[clear chasm]

tbh im not expecting that one

[abstract yacht]

my comment replied strictly to him mentioning him getting killed quick to which I said that's gonna be like every match ever which isn't really an exaggeration
not about the constant afk encounters ' -' ...

[clear chasm]

any time soon

[mystic elbow]

U can be fancy yes but

Hmm

Due to playerbase no one is gonna be positively receptive to it

[clear chasm]

but if i can even do one air dash during a combo and keep going i think id be happy

damn rly

[versed knot]

Unless you're fighting mitzu

[mystic elbow]

Yes bc its genesis

[clear chasm]

oh is genesis hated

[mystic elbow]

Genesis is extremely broken

[clear chasm]

ohh

[mystic elbow]

And a top class in pvp

[abstract yacht]

the playerbase is used to just seeing one shots every 20s of the match, nobody cares about fancy these days

[mystic elbow]

No its not that

[clear chasm]

i just thought he was cool looking 😭

[mystic elbow]

Its the character

If ppl saw u be fancy on like

KE

Youll get positive reactions

[clear chasm]

chung was also a char i was looking at

KE?

[mystic elbow]

[clear chasm]

oo

[mystic elbow]

Or even

[abstract yacht]

even for classes that are less broken ppl still don't care if you're fancy or not, a lot of ppl these days just look at win or lose... altho not really an elsword issue but just gaming in general ig

[mystic elbow]

They do care in spar lol

Even in pvp youll get compliments

Anyways

I found that out the hard way

Due to being Ara when she was more broken

[abstract yacht]

ahah... one compliment every 10 complaints

[versed knot]

No one had ever complimented me either ;-;

[abstract yacht]

:terrifine:

[mystic elbow]

Anyways.

[clear chasm]

oh btw @versed knot i gotta have dinner but after im down for some games

[mystic elbow]

Ara was more broken and when Id do more “fancy” stuff

Ppl hated it cuz Ara was broken

[fiery lion]

nuvoe has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[versed knot]

Roger boss, enjoy your food, and I'll cya in a tiny bit

[mystic elbow]

But Raven could X drop and ppl would think hes crazy

[twin pawn]

[versed knot]

HIS MSG IS GONE

[mystic elbow]

Maybe redheads will appreciate u learning the char

Its kinda like

[clear chasm]

oh was just saying its neat the games pvp has a commu cuz its hard to learn without ppl to back and forth with imo

[mystic elbow]

Fancy Laby

No one cares to see it 💀

[clear chasm]

i think i sworeded tho so it got deleted

[versed knot]

Dang cussing? In my christian server??

[versed knot]

Dw the commu has like 3 active players

[mystic elbow]

Ah yes

Ryx,Hateful,Gin

🗣️ 🔥

[versed knot]

📠

[clear chasm]

and ill still have an easier time of getting people for it than ggxrd rev2 i bet

so is genesis like keyboard throwing tier broken

i did not know i picked something like that

[mystic elbow]

Err

Yea hes smth

[fiery lion]

nuvoe has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[clear chasm]

omg

[mystic elbow]

Youll feel how broken he is when youre on a more normal character

[clear chasm]

😭

[mystic elbow]

If u play a class like

[abstract yacht]

the air command that you like is actually extremely infuriating for most to fight

[mystic elbow]

Youll feel it

Any Ara feels it

[clear chasm]

OH AND ITS THE WORST PART

[mystic elbow]

Any Rena that isnt PR feels it

[abstract yacht]

the size of that thing is so big and it lingers for so long that a lot of classes can't actually approach you properly

[clear chasm]

😭

[versed knot]

How are you still playing ggxrd jesus christ

That's like 10 years old

[abstract yacht]

making it very safe for you to spam it defensively and offensively

[mystic elbow]

The worst part is he gets super armor for awking so he cant be punished for bad awks

His hitstun lasts years

[clear chasm]

I love that game and i love mostly dead games

[mystic elbow]

He can air camp bc the air command costs no mp

And the hitboxes

And he also stops u from manabreaking

[versed knot]

Yo old games is the thing

[mystic elbow]

The only good thing about that char is he does no dmg without gear n will mostly just feed instead

[clear chasm]

what just because his hitboxes are big?

[mystic elbow]

Without gear at least

[abstract yacht]

only few classes can contest your air dashing and it's funnily enough the other broken tier classes such as Revenant who has an even worse aerial command input, actually the hardest to approach because it's 24/7 super armor

[mystic elbow]

Theyre big hitboxes and they last a long time

[clear chasm]

oh nooo raven was my second pick

[mystic elbow]

Most characters when they mess up

[clear chasm]

revenant i mean

[mystic elbow]

They mess up

[clear chasm]

literally because of the air thing again

[mystic elbow]

And get punished for messing up

Genesis, Laby, RV, and some others

Mess up and dont get punished for it

[abstract yacht]

it's not just big but also that it lingers, as in, the hitbox can still hit for like 2s after it was already used

[mystic elbow]

They have a button or command that can get them the combo back

[abstract yacht]

such as an example, not actually 2s but it feels like it

[versed knot]

You guys are putting 2 different inputs rn, pls dont overload my man lol

[mystic elbow]

He’ll be alright.

[abstract yacht]

the fact that it can still hit for such a long time creates a safe space where ppl can't approach you while you can already make a new action

[mystic elbow]

He’s gonna learn it eventually.

[versed knot]

Not shoving it all down his throat rn he wont

[clear chasm]

dw ive got so much to learn but at least im learning some char strengths ;3

[versed knot]

🔫

[mystic elbow]

Ya he will

He’ll adapt

Overcome!

[versed knot]

SURVIVE

[mystic elbow]

Periodt.

[clear chasm]

is fatal phantom messed up too

[mystic elbow]

Yes

[clear chasm]

no way

[mystic elbow]

But not as much as GS imo

[clear chasm]

all three of my lv 99s

i picked

[mystic elbow]

Tbh MOST of the characters in this game

Are broken

[clear chasm]

o ok

[abstract yacht]

well, at least he doesn't have major disadvantages as GS beyond gearing disparity
so he can at least learn at a calmly pace

[versed knot]

Not MN trust

[mystic elbow]

The only ones who arent imo are Overmind and Bluben

Bluhen

[clear chasm]

fatal phantom combos also look pretty sick

[mystic elbow]

Everyone else in this game is broken

[abstract yacht]

FP is also broken

[mystic elbow]

FP has good combo routes

[abstract yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/819965260748423198.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[mystic elbow]

Hes not as broken as GS to where ppl will curse u still for being fancy

[clear chasm]

also looks kinda juggly which im into

[mystic elbow]

Theyll like to see a fancy FP

In spar at least

[clear chasm]

one person ran from me 24/7 is that why

[abstract yacht]

he can juggle around yeah, there's a lot of places where he can switch command inputs as long as you keep track of your KD rate (if you're not spamming ^X)

[clear chasm]

as my genesis

[mystic elbow]

Tbh id run too

[abstract yacht]

likely

[mystic elbow]

Most characters cannot compete

With GS

In neutral

They will lose

[clear chasm]

aw i feel bad now

[abstract yacht]

when ppl understand the class is stupid they'll just run and force you to chase them so they can bait you into their things

[mystic elbow]

Once u realize that ppl on here only like playing the most broken characters then u feel less bad

Theres a reason no add players genuinely play Overmind

[clear chasm]

yeah it was some arrow person and they just wanted to get their tracking orbs off

[mystic elbow]

Sounds like

[clear chasm]

no idea how to dodge those and by the 2nd i was fuming

[mystic elbow]

Or wait

[abstract yacht]

(as a matter of fact if the class you fought was Prophetess, don't feel bad, that class is literally designed to run away, no matter how broken or mid the class is, they all run away. no exception.)

[mystic elbow]

[clear chasm]

was fun catching them midair tho

yeah i think so

oh i had another

these were the chars i leveled to try in pvp

[mystic elbow]

Pretty good characters

is under the radar now

[clear chasm]

she seems cool

[mystic elbow]

Shes broken but not as much as her other two classes

[clear chasm]

i like that she can just air-to ground with air dash zx repeatedly

[mystic elbow]

Are the broken Eves

[clear chasm]

or is it xz

[mystic elbow]

^ZX

[clear chasm]

whichever throws the spear to the ground

yeah

[mystic elbow]

She can be pretty fancy too

[clear chasm]

yeah i saw a clip of someone doing some stuff with her air dash stuff back to the ground

or using her >>^zx mid air and following up

looked kinda crazy

[mystic elbow]

Yee

Shes fun

Eve movement is a bit hard

I always find it impressive when someone can move nicely on eve

Unless its macros-

Brbs

[abstract yacht]

it used to be more broken in the past

iirc that input of hers didn't cost mana and didn't gradually make her go down when repeating the input

[graceful nexus]

bro really showed up with 3 whole pvp characters

[versed knot]

Unlike you with the whole 46 pvp chars

[graceful nexus]

idk wat u mean

I only play mischief silly

o.o

[mystic elbow]

Me when i lie

[graceful nexus]

idk if ive even played 46 classe lemme count

nah im like barely 30

for pvp atleast

[twin pawn]

so u lied...

[graceful nexus]

o.o

I didnt like

lie

I just never listed a time period

[mystic elbow]

^

[graceful nexus]

its play

not played

:3c

[mystic elbow]

Im pretty sure your bq is still named agrani

[graceful nexus]

its not

[mystic elbow]

[graceful nexus]

because shes not even BQ

[mystic elbow]

Im going to injure u

[graceful nexus]

Im feeling threatened

[mystic elbow]

Threat ≠ promise

[graceful nexus]

😭

[versed knot]

Am scared for you hail

[twin pawn]

[clear chasm]

ur right, i need more..

[graceful nexus]

might as well pick up Laby.

[abstract yacht]

Eternity Winner is very flexible with combos if you want to try out comboing

but, don't expect anyone to applaud you for it

[mystic elbow]

we had a few fancy labys

best believe

no one cared

to see it

😭

[twin pawn]

bc its laby

[mystic elbow]

yea

[buoyant folio]

bc her hitboxes linger for 50 years

so you can literally make a combo where you hit someone

get off your pc

[mystic elbow]

her being fancy is just not impressive

[buoyant folio]

get coffee

take a shower

go to work

go hom

and your opponent will still be hitstunned

[mystic elbow]

especially when the staircasing thing she used to do

[twin pawn]

u being fancy on laby dont mean anything cuz Laby's hitboxes are bigger than her body

[mystic elbow]

was dirt easy to learn

[buoyant folio]

dirt

Laby eats dirt

[twin pawn]

[mystic elbow]

no wonder she acts like that

[buoyant folio]

she gets dirt nutrients into her brain

[twin pawn]

whoever gave TP whimsy and mod coloring fun needs to get killed

[knotty kraken]

thats chung smh

[twin pawn]

whoever designed Laby just needs to lose their life

[knotty kraken]

with laby you might still have to hit them at work

[mystic elbow]

no its

def

both of them

[twin pawn]

like we can talk ab laby hitboxes

but chung hitstun

is actually fraudulent

[mystic elbow]

for sure

[knotty kraken]

yea cant really deny that

[twin pawn]

not to mention guard reversals

or how he has heavy hitstun

[knotty kraken]

guard needs to be killed

[twin pawn]

on literally

half of his combos

[mystic elbow]

[knotty kraken]

i like the fact they gave him better SA

[mystic elbow]

what a char

[twin pawn]

but u say chung is broken and u have

[knotty kraken]

on like every command

[twin pawn]

all the chung mains

[graceful nexus]

they doubled the mp cost of guard atleast.... so thats something

[twin pawn]

acting like u killed their grandmother

[mystic elbow]

god forbid

u mention

heavy stance

at any point

[twin pawn]

u say chung needs a nerf and u got a horde of losers telling u why chung isnt broken while proving he's broken

[knotty kraken]

cent mains activly coming to my house when i say that the blackhole active is minorly op

[twin pawn]

chung having a super armor hamster ball

65 forms of heavy hitstun

scare chase

[mystic elbow]

FP players talking about every other char being broken but casually skipping their own

[abstract yacht]

Guard would be fine if it scaled with the hit in question, but no if you drop it as soon as you get hit you can reverse
guard could easily be fixed if they sat a scale where dropping guard would last slightly more than the hitstun would've normally lasted from the last attack so you can't reverse it

[twin pawn]

but u say chung is broken and for some reason ur public enemy number 1

[buoyant folio]

oh chung's hitstun

You can hit someone and they'll straight up never get out of the flinch animation

permanently stuck

[graceful nexus]

ya im shocked it doesnt work like this

[twin pawn]

u do the same for ravens and the ravens act like raven is a saint and has never been broken

[graceful nexus]

if it had endlag it would basically be what it was meant to be

a way to lower dmg midcombo

but not get you out

[buoyant folio]

Ravens have always had the mindset of all of them being equally at godtier skill compared to the general Elsword population at PvP

[versed knot]

@clear chasm What server are you? Sorry I forgot to ask....

[buoyant folio]

Superiority complex is insane

[knotty kraken]

just cuz they can x drop

[twin pawn]

bc raven players are mentally unwell

[buoyant folio]

their x drop was never anything special

let's be honest

😭

[clear chasm]

was about to ask too actually cuz abt rd

[twin pawn]

especially ppl who play RV and think theyre gods

[clear chasm]

im eu if that helps, not sure what serv

[twin pawn]

like yea if i had super armor on all of my combos

[graceful nexus]

its prob eu els

[mystic elbow]

there's an rv player that all his friends

[twin pawn]

i too would catch you every 5 seconds

[mystic elbow]

treat him like he is god

meanwhile

[buoyant folio]

What

[mystic elbow]

he's playing in 2-3 sec delay

and RV

[knotty kraken]

ooh him

[twin pawn]

mind u

[mystic elbow]

no one is touching him

[twin pawn]

RV hitstun

and stoic

is already fraudulent

bc hes got 75 stoic combos

i wouldjt hate rv as much

if i could

[knotty kraken]

cant wait til we gat another pvp patch with rv left untouched

[twin pawn]

smack him out of the air

like god intended

[mystic elbow]

u awk on that player

and he goes into SA before stopping

[graceful nexus]

tbh

[mystic elbow]

[graceful nexus]

he was untouched in the next pvp patch

well if u count shadow step he was

[twin pawn]

there is

a certain add player

in pvp

who's operating on internet from the boonies of antarctica

[mystic elbow]

💀 💀 💀

[knotty kraken]

well shadow step is still basically an esc skill

[graceful nexus]

sounds about right

[knotty kraken]

if they have any delay

[abstract yacht]

you mean like-

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898029171123568711.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[mystic elbow]

RV basically has 2 shadow steps

[twin pawn]

if u let me tell it shadow step needs a deletion #tbh

[buoyant folio]

There's legit 0 reason for it to exist

[knotty kraken]

and it procs core

[twin pawn]

i want to see how that balance affects aisha's next week

bc

this one kr aes

[knotty kraken]

so its basically a free catch everytime

[abstract yacht]

man got hit as he was climbing up the platform l m a o

chung things.

[twin pawn]

actually makes me think that char just straight up needs a deletion

[graceful nexus]

honestly it prob doesnt effect AeS that much

she still has lightning bolt

[twin pawn]

she should not be able to get elements in pvp

😭

[mystic elbow]

id be ok w/ aisha being a pve char only

[twin pawn]

or they make it so lb doesnt stun

[abstract yacht]

pls, set back meditate to 60s for PvP only
it's fine as is for PvE but it has to be more limited in PvP

[twin pawn]

aes actually just needs to get half of her skills gutted

[mystic elbow]

we can get rid of the button entirely

[knotty kraken]

cant wait to have all ains be unaproachable now

[twin pawn]

bc theres no reason lightning bolt should be that big

[graceful nexus]

HR is probably gunna be tier0 if its how its expected.

[twin pawn]

ain touches the ground after u hit him out of the air and he's pressed his 2nd escape siill

skill

the spear launch one

bc ain for some reason lands on the ground and can just start pressing things

but when i try to do it on ara it dont work

misogyny

[knotty kraken]

if theres one good thing about the patch

[twin pawn]

chatter untouched btw

[knotty kraken]

is that dark got nerfed

[twin pawn]

mod ruin also untouched

like okay...

[abstract yacht]

I wish for every character to have decent sets to actively fight and punish things that can let you stall in air or get rewarded for literally simply running away (PR)

that's not happening.

[mystic elbow]

PR gets rewarded for simply breathing

[graceful nexus]

Tbh not alot of characters even run dark so I felt like it wasn't a big deal. Its just a few synergy really well with it.

Would have been easier to just nerf the specific characters

[clear chasm]

@versed knot how do i check 😭

[mystic elbow]

yea only like

surya,oz,hr,po,dom,mpx

run dark

[knotty kraken]

but yea since a niche set got nerfed being the best thing in the patch is kinda 💀

[mystic elbow]

any1 else?

[twin pawn]

po gets u with a dark proc and ur out of mp for the entire game

[knotty kraken]

shows how much they care

[mystic elbow]

well cent can which is disgusting tbh

[knotty kraken]

TP can

[mystic elbow]

im confident TP could run anything and it would work

[abstract yacht]

CeT gameplay with dark:
X .... X ..... X ....
.... X .... Magnum Shot .... X ....

[mystic elbow]

even light attribute

[knotty kraken]

fair

[abstract yacht]

[knotty kraken]

lmao

GN

[abstract yacht]

or even just siege spam.

[knotty kraken]

maybe

[twin pawn]

genesis is fraudulent just bc hes genesis

[mystic elbow]

if there was more ppl in 1s and more ppl using dark attribute anyway it would be a bigger change

idk how annoying dark is in 2s

[knotty kraken]

theres prob more countermeasures in 2s

[mystic elbow]

i miss techdevi

😩

[knotty kraken]

but ig it could still work

[abstract yacht]

MN with dark still ends up positively feeding you in MP

.... but theres just smth about MN getting 100 MP in 2 X....

n o t h a n k s

[mystic elbow]

ik it works on HR cuz of how his skills work

gonna work on Oz cuz well its Oz

[knotty kraken]

i love how MN can use a boom or awk

[graceful nexus]

You basically only run dark if you have kind of meme full drain build in 2s from what ive seen.

[mystic elbow]

it doesn't work great on Mpx cuz his whole thing is completely stopping u from mbing

[knotty kraken]

and its 99% a free catch

[graceful nexus]

like how HR's kit works

[abstract yacht]

Oz casuaally having -250 ele res on her black hole skill 🛌

I meant phantom breathe not ruin

[twin pawn]

oz presses ruin on 2 people and they die immediately

bc a splash skill + a 100% ignore defense passive is broken or something

[mystic elbow]

nah that skill is insane

[twin pawn]

it needs a dmg nerf

and that stupid passive also needs a nerf

😭

[abstract yacht]

splash dmg has been KoG's favorite child lately....

[mystic elbow]

i wouldn't mind splash skills if they only did dmg w/ splash

[graceful nexus]

theyd be useless then

[mystic elbow]

good?

[graceful nexus]

theres nothing inherently wrong with skills doing more dmg if you position them well.

Alot of the issue with elsword skills is

theyre too big

[twin pawn]

i think ruin shouldnt be able to 100-0 u just bc u proc'd the def ignore

[graceful nexus]

im shocked that passive still exists after all these years

[twin pawn]

it has no pvp tooltip either

its the same value in both pvp and pve

20% chance to proc or something

[abstract yacht]

I mean...
DyB casually holding a 100% def ignore w/ 15% chance that procs per hit individually

whichh is kind of funny considering Oz passive used to work like that but somehow hers was deemed too op so they nerfed it to proc per skill cast

[clever sigil]

Make it three. I wanna see if my name is on the list

[mystic elbow]

your name is not on the damn list bro

why would it be on there

😭

[clever sigil]

the world may never know~

but ye, I'm curious on how big that list looks

[mystic elbow]

not that big sense its pretty old

[versed knot]

"Aw dang I hate mitsu so much, he's god awfully nice. He even complimented my sick combo the other day. Curse that guy!"

[mystic elbow]

grrr

🤬

[clever sigil]

Bit....surprised on some names, But ye. does look old. Some names that I havent seen in AGES

[mystic elbow]

which names

[versed knot]

Vaffle

[mystic elbow]

Vaffle pt2?

[clever sigil]

For anonimity sakes, I'll say it's just two.

[mystic elbow]

just say it and I can explain better

[clever sigil]

but i'll leave it at that(at least for the publicc)

[mystic elbow]

SAY IT.

[summer merlin]

What a mystery

[versed knot]

It's the funny state

Havent seen ya in a while

[mystic elbow]

Smile

[summer merlin]

Well that's to be expected I haven't been that on in here, it good to see you

[empty ore]

He only got one air dash relax.

Homie already has >>^XZ for neutral and a 700k nuke*