pvp

[mystic elbow]

Kinda like how I feel about the entire guild of [NBK]

[lilac merlin]

See that’s an instance where I’m like maybe you should’ve just mb instead of complaining, like you have the opportunity to get out 😭

Just mb, it will not hurt you

[mystic elbow]

He does mb 😭

He mbs instantly actually

[lavish socket]

oof

[mystic elbow]

But expects u not to

[lilac merlin]

Bruh

[mystic elbow]

Even if hes FP and bullet blitz

[cyan quail]

Idk man, your weapon seems to have a glowing effect, let him bring out the wedding skill to even things out

[mystic elbow]

There was one time his lightning chain messed up his own combo so i broke out

[lavish socket]

^ that why I dont use that no more

[empty ore]

Nobody should use lightning chain

Garbage force

[mystic elbow]

And he was like “bruh” so i said “your lightning chain messed u up” and he was like “yea but you capitalized on it.”

As if I wasnt supposed to 😭

[empty ore]

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

[mystic elbow]

I didnt tell u to wear that garbage force

[lavish socket]

bruh u messed up deal with it

[mystic elbow]

He wanted me to let him continue comboing

[gilded slate]

I hate combo-brained people dude.

Pretty sure thats the same dude who called me boring for doing Lithia infinite.

And I was like yeah? Its supposed to be boring, its efficient lol.

[lavish socket]

tbh if you dont wanna do combos just whale for a +12 SoA

lol

there u dont need combos no more

[cyan quail]

GB/AV are still not doing combo damage with a +12 SoA

[lavish socket]

ahh rip

didn't knew

[cyan quail]

You're gonna need +13 next raid weapon and full wind procs for that

[buoyant folio]

Couldn't you argue you're playing the wrong mode if you find it boring to play pvp though

[cyan quail]

Some classes just aren't meant to do command damage

[fiery lion]

divine_scholar has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[kindred frost]

MAN REALLYT

[empty ore]

They gotta stop making the X commands too good

[cyan quail]

To detention you go

[buoyant folio]

make x commands worse

😤

I find it weird how some x commands are faster than some ppl's z commands

lmao

Like x is heavy attack hello?

[empty ore]

I find it wierd that projectile commands are supposed to be a 0.6 modifier.

Or did they forget about that

[lavish socket]

that cuz attack speed is hella broken

[buoyant folio]

Nah I mean

[cyan quail]

Heavy attack lost its meaning, as much as character difficulty did at the character select screen

[buoyant folio]

Let's assume everyone has the same attack speed

some ppl's heavy attack speeds are still faster than normal

[lavish socket]

so 140%?

[gilded slate]

Like idc if people wanna be like ooo flashy combos, but if its not safe and youre losing because of it, 100% you should just go back to reliable loops. 💀

[buoyant folio]

100%

also 30% is cap

130%*

[lavish socket]

nah that soft cap

[buoyant folio]

You're a soft cap 🙄

[mystic elbow]

Same i dont think ppl should complain about optimal gameplay when theyre choosing to play unsafe

[lavish socket]

?

[mystic elbow]

BUT THIS PLAYER DOESNT EVEN PLAY FANCY

[buoyant folio]

?

[cyan quail]

Meanwhile some characters can reach 160/170% aspd last I checked

[mystic elbow]

HES OPTIMAL FP

[lavish socket]

yea

[cyan quail]

Very cool

[buoyant folio]

FP 🤢

[mystic elbow]

Wheres the anti chung poster

[buoyant folio]

Uhh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429394428784803850/1241506166694215711/Anti-Chung_Campaign.png?ex=665a4438&is=6658f2b8&hm=877b0ac105d21f1981018e3c627f8f8e3b6ed5bcabfc6f2d91cb7bbdfe2790ef&

[cyan quail]

[buoyant folio]

y'all should spread the message

fr

have it leak into KR even

😤

Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign Anti-Chung Campaign

[kindred frost]

WHEW

i finally one a 2s matcg

ive been on like a 5 lose streak bro

[lavish socket]

congrats

[mystic elbow]

Imma turn it into a sticker

[buoyant folio]

real

I'm nitroless so I can't use it 😔

[kindred frost]

its just been some bull today man

and ty

[cyan quail]

Now win another 6

We don't end on a loss

[mystic elbow]

I need to continue practicing 2s but my CS being foj makes me angry 😭

[buoyant folio]

get that free vos frfr

[mystic elbow]

Games thrown because my nuke aint nuke

I could be soa tbh

[hollow hound]

I like how I entered sparr, beat him, leave then he called me a coward, then I came back and fight him again thrice, twice and left because I was tired and called me coward again and then him left.

Amazing.

[buoyant folio]

You're a coward to him

no matter what you do

😭

[hollow hound]

Hahahaha.

[cyan quail]

Just press it against a wall broooo it's a 9k% nuke brooo

How dare you complain with a 9k% nuke

[lilac merlin]

Fighting CA makes me feel like a masochist

[mystic elbow]

Oh it nuked then 💀

But even with splash it didnt kill otherwise

[buoyant folio]

Fighting CA makes my brain explode

I

[mystic elbow]

Foj is NOT it

[buoyant folio]

am like

coupled w a CA player rn

and we fight a lot

I can't tell if I'm learning CA by fighting her

😭

[cyan quail]

Nah it also procs title shield a lot too, it's a lot more unreliable than it seems

People just look at numbers on elwiki and assume it's unconditional

[mystic elbow]

Have u tried, becoming the CA

[buoyant folio]

No

LOL

[mystic elbow]

Oh i can tell, when I saw it wall when it shouldnt have on banthus room

And it missed bc the curve acted as a wall

[buoyant folio]

Lmao

[mystic elbow]

I felt bad for that CS player

[buoyant folio]

curve moment

[kindred frost]

ayye to wins in a row

[lilac merlin]

Almost beat the CA, only for them to res and heal 😭

Felt like crying

[buoyant folio]

^

[mystic elbow]

Are yall fighting each other..

[buoyant folio]

They need to force reset

Eve healing

[cyan quail]

Didn't you know, once the CA resses that's when the real match starts

[buoyant folio]

on res 🙄

like??

[mystic elbow]

Naw CA healing balanced trust, they nerfed it

[buoyant folio]

Lol. Lmao. Jaja.

[mystic elbow]

Oh ya

[lilac merlin]

I was fighting u know who

Her cmd damage is absurd

[buoyant folio]

trashseng

[kindred frost]

G---g?

[cyan quail]

Idk how anyone finds playing CA fun

[lilac merlin]

Yeah

[hollow hound]

Gigi.

[hollow hound]

It's fun when YOU are the CA.

[lilac merlin]

Real

[mystic elbow]

He said that to me because I flagged him nine months ago

[cyan quail]

I'm doing it for the bros in 2s + got funded for it

But unironically playing it and getting an ego for it is just so LOL

[hollow hound]

That person holds grudges for a long time.

[mystic elbow]

Ego from playing the best char in the game is crazy

[cyan quail]

Saw some CA start bming by stomping someone's corpse in a 2s sparr room once

[mystic elbow]

I am 102% with a 2% margin of error sure that was gins-

[cyan quail]

Then this person was flagging vs some CEs/CS as a CA

[kindred frost]

3 win streak!!

noir blessed me

[cyan quail]

2 more and then u can sleep

[hollow hound]

That person hates me because, like 1-2 years ago, we were in sparr (they where CE that time, and was called Sap-----e) and I attacked them.

[mystic elbow]

They do the same thing..

Ill be vibing in practice talking to hotissue and theyll come and kill me

Apparently they blocked my Shakti

I dont ever remember talking to them on my shakti

I mustve said smth crazy tho

[hollow hound]

Oh no, not 🌶️ ...

[mystic elbow]

Hottie issue

Y whats wrong

I only ever see her in practice

[cyan quail]

[kindred frost]

I lost :C

im just tryna get my sss back

[mystic elbow]

U can take mine

[hollow hound]

Ok, try taking a rest.

[noble pelican]

I talk to it them too. They let me practice my silly combos

Very nice

[hollow hound]

Let them be bonked by higher ranks.

[kindred frost]

he must REALLY hate me

im okay, im not upset or anythnig

[lilac merlin]

Whenever I think about the certain CA, I just recall when they told me they hate Pve that’s why they went back to CA from CE

[cyan quail]

You can take a break, Q itself won't change but you yourself can make a difference

[lilac merlin]

And I was like dang I know that’s a lie

[mystic elbow]

Yes yes shes very nice

[mystic elbow]

Oh diff player

[hollow hound]

They could not bully with CE, so jc back to CA.

[mystic elbow]

Not gin-

[kindred frost]

oh okay

[mystic elbow]

Their CE is a thousand times easier to fight

[cyan quail]

I'm going to hell

[mystic elbow]

[cyan quail]

LOOOOOOOL

[hollow hound]

Yep, more bearable.

[lilac merlin]

Yes because they cannot run across the entire map for no reason

[mystic elbow]

They also dont have slap as a button

[hollow hound]

Since CE does not have the tools that CA does.

CE is not unga bunga like CA.

[warm hornet]

^

[mystic elbow]

I played her like that in 2s n Ay said I was annoying

[gilded slate]

They already know. 😂

[mystic elbow]

If I had more mpr im sure i coulda been more annoying but they didnt know what to do against oberon shield

[hollow hound]

I have never seen them jc to mag Eves.

[mystic elbow]

Where did all the funny spar ppl go

Why leave such annoying ones

All we’re missing is the two other egotistical add players

[hollow hound]

So we got... Ummm... N, G, Ak, ummm, which one is the other Add?

[mystic elbow]

hat-

awai-

Cant even say the hatc- new name now cuz its two letter

He’s a GS player now too

And a scammer.

But they act EXACTLY alike

[cyan quail]

Dang has S not done any talking lately?

I remember their old unbreakable combo stalling and emoting in the middle of it

[lilac merlin]

He’s egotistical for like no reason though it’s actually funny, because it’s so easy to mess with him back 😭

[mystic elbow]

Havent seen em

[mystic elbow]

I just call him a monkey

[hollow hound]

What about Master Class?

Are they ok?

[mystic elbow]

Hes unproblematic

My bf is good friends with them

[hollow hound]

Okay.

[cyan quail]

I've seen em flag but they haven't said anything

But honestly they were valid for it

[mystic elbow]

I remember S mp burning to do ritz dance as youre contemplating turning off the game

[kindred frost]

sometimes I wonder what people expect out of me when Im in 2s

like the ph I was with was like "what are you doing"

I was just trying not to get hit

like it was an oz and libra on our team

[cyan quail]

When they wore the horse mask it was actually hilarious

[hollow hound]

Is there another toxic Eve player besides ehem?

[cyan quail]

A shame they're a rare sight nowadays

Yeah, me

I'm toxic

[mystic elbow]

Idk if im sad to see them gone but its better to see them than mutant

[cyan quail]

Fair enough

[mystic elbow]

Not that ik of

Oh wait.

CodeMu

[cyan quail]

That's R

[mystic elbow]

Yea

The Aisha/CA player

[cyan quail]

Yeah

[hollow hound]

Code🐮

[mystic elbow]

Whispers if u lose and if u win

How u whisper after winning to salt me

[buoyant folio]

wait wdym

are they using the flag? ☺️

[gilded slate]

If only.

They got the hate down right tho.

[kindred frost]

yall is this true? I really dont feel like itr

the person wasn t being toxic they were giviung advice

people been telling me sometimes I play too fair

[mystic elbow]

Yea start playing like scum

U do have a lot of tools to counter aisha

Like Aisha if she loses neutral against u then she completely loses

Unless u mess up

[kindred frost]

okay

[mystic elbow]

Mine photograph stops any running

Slap stops any super armor they try

I missing a skill

Or several

But i think those r the main offenders

Your neutral is also pretty oppressive against Aisha

[empty ore]

Wait this is an aisha

Opinions discarded

[mystic elbow]

😭

[empty ore]

Mod slap is super funny against Aisha tho. Basically stops their teleport.

[kindred frost]

it was oz

[warm hornet]

the diffrence of a CA fighting a Ashia to a CE is that most aisha's game plan is to charge up every opportunity they can or it's a fight less in their favor. CA can easily gap close and constantly be in threat range safely with little to no problem. Meanwhile CE has to figure out the little wiggle room and spacing to fighting CA.

[kindred frost]

I wonder if im just

approaching all this wrong

I should watch more ca vids i guess

[warm hornet]

nahh, you're fine.

[kindred frost]

if i stream would yall help me see what im doing wrong?

[warm hornet]

objectively, there's no wrong way of playing as long as it works.

[mystic elbow]

Maybe tmrw

[cyan quail]

You just need to respect Dark Ring/Phantom Breathing for Oz and the cloud active for LA respectively

They need to respect you for existing

[warm hornet]

^

pretty much

XD

[cyan quail]

Do note to not just throw yourself at them though

Bc they do have options

[mystic elbow]

CAs the demon king

💀

[cyan quail]

Even if you can't beat out their options you can simply have the luxury of not interacting w them to begin with

[warm hornet]

meanwhile CE's options VS CA is usually not so great or very risky.

[kindred frost]

is not working ;_;

[mystic elbow]

Tries to ZZXX CA as CA just slaps u with a command n gets to ignore the ZZXX

😀

[kindred frost]

alright imma jsut try really really hard

to be play like a scum bag

[warm hornet]

for CE, sometimes it acually spins around the oberon slashes the other way.

[mystic elbow]

Pretty sure it was ayaka i was fighting but ZZXX was working on them when it rly shouldnt have

M’not lucky enough for that to happen

[kindred frost]

like 1v1 im p decent

[mystic elbow]

It depends on how far youre into the command actually no?

[kindred frost]

but 2s idk

well actually im not even that great in 1s

I get bodied in the higher ranks

[cyan quail]

Best way I can put it is you don't look at the 1s you're doing once you have a combo

You start looking out for what their partner is going to try to do to save

And if it's your partner stuck in a combo then it's you looking out on how to save

CA is not a nukebot so you're forced into setplaying and getting a combo interrupted is the equivalent of missing your nuke

Gotta capitalize as much as you can from them

[kindred frost]

I think I really drop my combos too much

I need to work on that honstly i just get nervous like

cause ca launches for loops and i get scared my combos gonna get lost in a freeze framew

idc how busted ca is

I HATE CC STILL

[warm hornet]

at lease for CA, she can plow through his grenades.

[hollow hound]

You are a CA, you can play agressive against them. 😈

Don't let them breathe.

[mystic elbow]

that CA player said ggs to me

im turrfied

[mystic elbow]

CC doesnt have grenades

[hollow hound]

But Cent does.

[mystic elbow]

i hate that char

[hollow hound]

Very annoying.

Thank God not many people play him in pvp (at least from my my experience).

[warm hornet]

my bad

[mystic elbow]

yea just that one laggy cent is-

[hollow hound]

And Nintendo64.

[mystic elbow]

thats who i was saying

[hollow hound]

Oh.

LOL.

[mystic elbow]

but that guy has the luck of a main character

kinda like zeemoney

[kindred frost]

im streaming rn t -/morrigan_thaumaturgy

[hollow hound]

I won against him once but was pure luck.

Luck was on my side that match.

[mystic elbow]

it doesnt help he uses dark attribute

i wish i had Angelina as a tenacity

@kindred frost u should get 2/4 Flos if u can

n is your violet +10/11 r21

[kindred frost]

no

[kindred frost]

whats flos?

[mystic elbow]

violets not worth wearing unless its r21 +10/11

flos magica ib combo

it'll take up mouth face acc and supp unit

where u have the bubble gum and demonic eye

it gives 3% mag/phys attk power

[kindred frost]

its +11 jus tnot r21

[mystic elbow]

can u get it to r21

[kindred frost]

i can try yeah

I have no more ed so no

[mystic elbow]

t

put it on a list

doesn't have to b now

[kindred frost]

I hate this reforge system

[mystic elbow]

same

[kindred frost]

is it just my gear?

[mystic elbow]

well no

i haven't been able to watch much since im tryna do spar 1s

but

your white box doesn't do a lot..

and i think there's times where you're trying too hard to contest w/ sm1

and u end up using up all your mp in the process

when u should just jet jump

a lot of it seems like

u make some unnecessary movements n decisions

that is either getting u caught or making u lose a lot of mana

tryna maintain that decision

[kindred frost]

when I play too safe, people say im not abusing CA

but when I try to abuse CA, im too aggressive

[mystic elbow]

you have to know when to switch on and off

CA is both

she's can easily be aggressive and easily be passive

thats smth u can only get thru recognizing your patterns

whats getting u caught, whats making u lose all your mp tryna maintain a catch, whats messing up your partner

i think eli said it before but u should rewatch your matches

its easier to see whats going wrong when youre not in the heat of the moment

[kindred frost]

thats something I really gotta do

idk why i avoid that so much

[mystic elbow]

i avoid it too 😭

this game is NOT REAL

must this keep happening

its so trippy

[kindred frost]

it truyly is

[warm hornet]

i can pull off something simular without the revive title/effects.

[mystic elbow]

can u not

😄

[kindred frost]

I need to like, implement days where I actually practice

like days where I practice movement, catching

my nerves

cause me just queing at night, isnt doing anything

imma start doing that tomorrow

maybe I can use my emotionla nature to my advantage

[versed knot]

Ay say less fam, make the room and I'll be there

[kindred frost]

this trashy oz main

whispered me "how do you lose as CA with gear"

idk cause I dont have a free black hole skill

[graceful nexus]

you lose by being human and not a robot

[versed knot]

Is that the ryxx?

[dark wind]

o.o;

[oblique sundial]

Does their name start with a t and end with an a

[mystic elbow]

[cyan quail]

Funny, G said something similar

Also I logged off before I could reply but sure

[kindred frost]

LIKE FR RIGHT

And why was they even taking it that seriously, I wasn't even mad I was just trying to figure out now to beat the class

I think they got mad cause I was able to dash out of their phantom breath loop?

They snickered, flagged, and whispered like an actual psychopath

[kindred frost]

Nah it wasn't them

[kindred frost]

YES

[mystic elbow]

Oh theyre always like that

They have a crap ton of alts

[versed knot]

I have no clue who's that :x

[heavy spear]

man i must be too low rank to be getting these salt whispers

[graceful nexus]

I dont either

[dark wind]

they all happen in s or ss as far as I’m concerned lol

[kindred frost]

The slums

[mystic elbow]

Yall know who it is

[mystic elbow]

Its ^’s Oz

[kindred frost]

Ty for always consoling me, sorry if I seemed snappy last night I was just tilted ;_;

[mystic elbow]

Yer good

[oblique sundial]

Yeh dude started /wing me for losing when I was playing dem lmao

It's alright just make a magic notepad file and get a funny firewall

[buoyant folio]

We love PvP

[dull forum]

What class y'all hate the most

I hate Aisha in general

[empty ore]

Thats a character

CC, CA, Laby the character, Dab

[graceful nexus]

[empty ore]

GN, Oz

There are some others

But there kinda niche

Like Herrscher, only one guy plays him at a high enough level to be a problem

100-0 Gotts and mp drain for days

[buoyant folio]

That's a difficult one

I hate Aisha/CA/Chung/Laby

and then specific LuCiel classes are just stupid broken for no reason

[noble pelican]

Ravens and Labys for me

[noble pelican]

Not my magical girl

[graceful nexus]

Fighting every iteration of MTM has always been antifun by her design.

[buoyant folio]

I think

the only thing I find annoying about Raven

are

1. Core
2. Shadow Step
3. Low MANA gain when he attacks, he can literally infinite you and gain more than you ever would from him 😭

[mystic elbow]

Everyone.

[buoyant folio]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-sniff-bunny-gif-11821975

[rocky stone]

Everyone who isn't playing the same class as me 👍

I can't be mad at my own because that's just friendly fire 🚶

[dull forum]

Broken statement

[empty ore]

Tbh, she was a fine character before energy ring got revamped.

Infact I loved her a lot more when energy ring wasnt stupid.

I was doing this active stacking double attack build at the time.

awk energy ring awk energy ring was so nice

[graceful nexus]

[buoyant folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/850874928949493770.webp?size=160&quality=lossless

[heavy spear]

i remember before she came to elsword NA

everyone thought DW was going to be the new most op character because of how well she was doing in KR

then when she arrived, she turned out to be hideously lagsensitive

[graceful nexus]

wat do you mean

she came here and proceeded 1 shot with energy spurt

who cares about zzz

[heavy spear]

well she had that too but aside from that she had lag problems

[graceful nexus]

The notion that mtm had lag problems because of a zzz loop issue when she had a whole ^^Z loop that people just didnt wanna practice.

[empty ore]

"she had a whole ^^Z loop that people just didnt wanna practice."

[graceful nexus]

[versed knot]

Lol forgot they also got that teneb name

[clever sigil]

I Don't hate most classes.... anymore. every character has their share of shenanigains in this game. Some more or less than others.

Just not a fan of two things: Long range heavy-hitting Homing, And Summons.

Homing- Straight lockdown where it's counterable with either a planned Manabreak, or a time special active. Both are iffy to nail unless you got a idea or case of how certain palyers play their classes(situational awareness). But if the homing skill is a long linger time (say: Takeoff, Some of HR's Special actives, AD's Breeze, Guided Arrow(not the worst offender these days) ), you're in a rock and a hard place.

Summons- Either have a good amount of HP and MP so you can shred them ASAP with a skill, or if you dont' got the MP and you're zoned-out with a hp difference while taking chip damage from summons, you're once again: In a rock and a hard place.

To be honest, Summons is why i keep a nuke, or a large-dmg dealing skill with long range handy. It's my weakness for a period of time. Free Mana? Yes. But I do not want to take DMG or have my defenses shreded if i can help it.

[graceful nexus]

so you hate

[clever sigil]

don't forget

on a Serious note, No. I don't hate them with a raging passion Anymore.
Especially with AYS & Policies throwing hands in a interesting fashion.

Now did I used to hate em? no doubt on that. that is mostly skill issue and hard-headedness..

TL;DR: I don't hate them but used to dislike fighting them.

[dull forum]

[clever sigil]

terrible answer/reply?

[dull forum]

nah

it was good

i just dislike charging chars

[oblique sundial]

Aisha is annoying but she's not the worst thing tbh

Noe Chung

Afk simulator character

What am I supposed to do, attack him? He wins every hit trade

Every character/class post-ain spends the entire match in the air in a game with negative anti-airs so cross them off too ig

[heavy spear]

i've always struggled against labys regardless of what characters i've played

[empty ore]

Guys how much would you pay for divinity 5/5 these days

[versed knot]

Depends on char but I'd pay 2-2.5b

[empty ore]

Ravi

[versed knot]

I bought mine for 1.5 plus hangers just this feb

[empty ore]

That aint bad

[versed knot]

Not too bad at all

[mystic elbow]

I got mine for aisha at 1.5b no hanger

[versed knot]

Prolly cus only ryxma is playing aisha

I jk pls dont kill me

[heavy spear]

oh yea and i can still do zilch against an aes who knows what she's doing

[graceful nexus]

tbh most ppl cant do anything against an aes that knows what she's doing atm.

she has 2 whole "you can not play the game" buttons she can loop

[knotty kraken]

anyone got tips on how to be better

cuz clearly i aint doin somethin right

[mystic elbow]

u try wearing the correct stuff and actually using forces?

[knotty kraken]

yes

and no

forces are gross

[mystic elbow]

if youre not willing to use everything at your disposal then how do u expect to get better?

[knotty kraken]

ive never had to use em

and that aint just gonna make me do better

by having things i wont use

[hollow hound]

Using forces can help you.

[mystic elbow]

having more tools to use does make u better tho

[hollow hound]

Yeah, and learning to use them at the right moment too.

[knotty kraken]

with every season i just get worse

like im now having trouble with people in high S

[warm hornet]

force actives doesn't look so bad if everyone haves it.

and in most cases, they're not that broken.

[knotty kraken]

like i can barely keep people up anymore

[warm hornet]

Casting the ThunderStorm Force Active on Add's "Void Field" feels so satisfying.

[knotty kraken]

cant >>^x loop

just getting worse

[warm hornet]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SlipperyPoisedCheesecakeAllenHuhu-2b9EEddogGgWiWyB

this is just me randomly using all my ranged options.

thunderstorm just ended being my last ranged option in the heat of the moment. then procceds to drop the combo

[celest ore]

shattered earth clutch force

[knotty kraken]

good im back to SS

n im ready to off myself

maybe its my pc

cuz now im laggin in free training

[graceful nexus]

1st step to getting better is looking at what you're doing and thinking about what you're doing wrong. If you can't actually tell what you're doing wrong then that's probably the first issue. which is why recording gameplay and going over it or showing ppl helps

[knotty kraken]

well i cant record

it chugs the game

[graceful nexus]

if you can't record you gotta put yourself in a situation to be in a place where someone else is recording (like stream sniping) or just fight someone specifically that wants to help.

[knotty kraken]

id rather not pvp look like this

[graceful nexus]

honestly

could be a pc issue

[knotty kraken]

really

wouldntve guessed

[graceful nexus]

I just mean your issue as a whole

not the picture specifically

[knotty kraken]

atp its just the usual

i just stay the same as everyone else gets better

happens with p much every game

i have no skill and it eventually becomes a problem

[graceful nexus]

How often do you watch pvp videos of your character

Being good at games isn't actually easy. There's a method to it. Once you figure out the method then you can kinda start getting good at any game. It just it takes a while to learn if there isn't anyone talking you through it.

Part of it is recognizing what needs to be improved.

But if you aren't sure you need an idea of what a better version of yourself would look like.

Which is why watching other people play has some positives.

Can see what theyre doing vs you.

Because elsword specifically has alot of technical aspects of it you can't always 1:1 mimic what someone else is doing but if thats the case you just have to look at things you can mimic.

[knotty kraken]

theres basically none that arent 2s

[graceful nexus]

ya

thats the issue with vods nowadays

[knotty kraken]

all but one vid is from over a year ago

[graceful nexus]

everyone makes 2s videos

Old footage can be helpful though it all just depends on what you're looking for.

[knotty kraken]

of the past year

2 1s vids

3 2s vids

like yea

thisll help

[graceful nexus]

is it EW

[knotty kraken]

yes

[graceful nexus]

Most EW footage dropped off because of people finding the other jobs more interesting to use but I think the basic gameplan of the class hasn't changed too much. So even if you dip back more years the footage is probably still decently relevant.

Laby is an awkward character to learn though

because of how much flexibility she has with how she moves so I can see how learning can be confusing.

[knotty kraken]

ive been playing her for atp 5 years now

i figure ive learned all that i can

[graceful nexus]

When I think about Elsword PvP I usually split it into 2 learning processes which is Learning your character and Learning PvP itself.

Laby one of those characters where if you don't understand the PvP part even if you know how she works you can't utilize it that well.

Which might be what ur experiencing

when in doubt play more characters

[knotty kraken]

nah

etw is the only fun character

everyone else i just get bored of

[graceful nexus]

Perspective changes a lot. Because it teaches you the value of some tools and how they should be used.

[knotty kraken]

i already know how most everyone plays

just from match experience

[graceful nexus]

Theres a big difference between fighting something and playing it though.

[knotty kraken]

even in dittos

i cant remeber the last time i won

against a ditto of the same rank

[graceful nexus]

find someone that can record

[knotty kraken]

seein myself play aint gonna help

im already seein enough rn

[graceful nexus]

its not for u to see urself play

its for other ppl

cuz an outside perspective

can shed light on some things

[mystic elbow]

players better than u can tell u what to work on

even if u decide to watch it youself, its much easier to tell what went wrong when you're not in the moment

[graceful nexus]

elsword is hard to learn because a lot of the game is memorizing patterns and situations that until they get put to muscle memory are hard to turn into habits.

Because a situation in a match might happen so fast that you dont realise it even happened.

[mystic elbow]

doesnt even have to be better ngl, but others can notice things that u haven't noticed.

[graceful nexus]

and then it effects the rest of the game

[knotty kraken]

ur tellin me like im new to the game
cuz i aint

[graceful nexus]

Ya you don't always need someone as good or better than you to analyse footage. Just someone that understands what theyre looking at.

no offense but

if u've been playing multiple years

but cant tell why ur bad or not as good as you want to be

you're basically the same as a new player

[knotty kraken]

^^

like i said

[graceful nexus]

ya but

why

[knotty kraken]

thats the question

aint it

[graceful nexus]

thats what I mean

[knotty kraken]

it aint just els

quite every game i play

this is where i stop

no progress being made

practicing as hard as i can

[graceful nexus]

It might just be you're not sure of the progress.

[knotty kraken]

just to do basically nothing

[mystic elbow]

just cuz other players are getting better doesn't rly mean u haven't

[graceful nexus]

ya

[mystic elbow]

being pessimistic about it isn't gonna help u get better either

[graceful nexus]

everyone learns at different paces and everyone also practices the game and plays at different amounts

1 guy learning 2x the speed of u wouldnt mean ur not learning

[knotty kraken]

i mean if the bar is on the ground from others lowering it
and im still fallin

then its only on me

[graceful nexus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mystic elbow]

idk what u want help w/

if u aren't gonna listen to the help

[graceful nexus]

Honestly

the first step for u is probably just being more optimistic

LOL

If you think ur at the bottom and don't believe that anything is changing then nothing will ever change.

[heavy spear]

they sound like theyre just in their head rn

[graceful nexus]

thats all it is rly

But everyone goes through that at one point

like me whenever I think about playing again

[heavy spear]

yea even i get tilted and in my head when im on a loss streak

[knotty kraken]

yea here i have a vid for yall

[heavy spear]

speaking of, there's a DA and PR in high s queue rn so i'll take that as my cue to get off

[knotty kraken]

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh

wait

i cant

send it

[heavy spear]

upload to streamable and send here

or smth

[knotty kraken]

never heard of it

[heavy spear]

you can upload short videos there but they expire after a while

[knotty kraken]

https://streamable.com/7qqkoi

id love to know what i couldve done better here

[buoyant folio]

the fact

that some classes can triple revive

revive CD when? lol

Literal garbage mechanic

[mystic elbow]

where's hang on mod

that entire match u didn't use esc skill either

[knotty kraken]

yea cuz

id just immediately get caught

by teh funny lazers

[mystic elbow]

u wouldn't if u mb'd or used esc way sooner than u did..

or even having mod hang on woulda helped a lot there too

[knotty kraken]

ive tried hang on

it doesnt work for me

cuz 3 seconds for 75 mp isnt good

[mystic elbow]

i cannot imagine a world where an iron body active doesn't work for someone

[knotty kraken]

id rather spend it on aurora

or galaxy

[mystic elbow]

[graceful nexus]

is one of those cursed characters whose matchups are setup where if you get caught at all vs him on most classes you basically lose unless your class can 1 shot him or do over half of his health with a skill he can't break out of.

After getting caught you made good attempts at trying to avoid him after starfall came up so he can't keep getting mp for more stall falls but eventually you just got caught. This is fine though since its highly likely this is what happens at that point.

The issues in this match weren't what happened during all of the starfalling it was the fact that at the start of the game you didn't respect his space enough and the threat of what he can do to you if you get caught first.

Like that >>X you went for was crazy

[mystic elbow]

and where is bang bang

[graceful nexus]

costed you the whole game

if you would have played a bit more passive aggressive and grazed a few more hits you were gunna have inner aurora anyway.

but you went rly aggro and threw the match

[knotty kraken]

dang if only i had played better

bang bang for the same reason

well not the same

[graceful nexus]

its just about realising how you can play better and where the issues were.

[mystic elbow]

i cannot imagine a world where an iframe active

does not work out for someone

[knotty kraken]

i have a hard time confirming back

[mystic elbow]

I wish i had an i-frame active

just press x and she rolls down

99% success rate

[graceful nexus]

honestly bang bang is basically a button to avoid things from what ive seen people use it for.

[knotty kraken]

and thats usually enough time for them to use a skill

[mystic elbow]

not from my experience

[graceful nexus]

its not often I see people use it for confirms

[knotty kraken]

or just walk away

• i only use like 4 of those skills anyways

aurora mystique dududu

and sometimes glaaxy/thunder

[mystic elbow]

what are u using instead of mp goggles

[knotty kraken]

all the rest are just filler

uhhhhh

bio mask

[mystic elbow]

idk what that is tbh

[knotty kraken]

dungeon acc

one from laby 3-1

[mystic elbow]

can u get mp goggles

at some point

[graceful nexus]

Its much easier to make decisions on what to do if u see people's mp.

[mystic elbow]

whats the point in taking laby thunder if you're oor gamer btw

[knotty kraken]

idk ive nothing better to wear

🤷‍♀️

i take thunder cuz theres nothin else to use

[mystic elbow]

bang bang, hang on mod

i dont think thunder is worth it if youre oor cuz the skill unironically lasts like 6 seconds

[graceful nexus]

I dont think having laby thunder on the bar is a bad idea

[mystic elbow]

it wouldn't if they weren't using oor imo

the skill lasts too long to use it

[knotty kraken]

its about the worst skill to use at any given time

[graceful nexus]

oor lasts like 8 seconds

[knotty kraken]

like zzxx does more in a shorter time

[graceful nexus]

thats more than enough for most of the skill

[mystic elbow]

laby thunder lasts.. a really long time

and how likely are u using it at the 8 sec mark

[buoyant folio]

use OoR if you got +13

😌 +14 dmg fr

[mystic elbow]

use ann's gift if youre +13 atp

😭

[knotty kraken]

like by the time that u notice oor has procced

and use awk if you can

its already down to 4 seconds

so basically everything after 5 sp is worthless

and just feeding mana atp

[graceful nexus]

laby thunder lasts like 6 seconds.

if its the full thing

you can fit it in

most people dont use oor anymore just because of how easy it is to socket nearly 100% crit though and because the awk titles are better.

but it can still work.

its just like a poverty pvp title at this point

[knotty kraken]

this is the bio masks stats btw cass

[mystic elbow]

gurl

go get mp goggles

😭

[knotty kraken]

dont really have nothing better to slot

[graceful nexus]

wait 100 defense kinda crazy

but ya

mp goggles

[mystic elbow]

the fact that DoM went off grazes and had enough for starfall bugs me

[graceful nexus]

I mean

he got a hit a few times

and then a whole confirm

Id be shocked if he didnt have it at that point

[buoyant folio]

Yo

I pulled out plague built

just for that DoM

bc he switched builds and playstyle to be more disrespectful 😭

x spam w his skill switch

that thing has 0 kd

[graceful nexus]

lol

[buoyant folio]

lol

[knotty kraken]

https://streamable.com/xz7z43

[mystic elbow]

that CE destroyed your computer

[knotty kraken]

the training room destroys it some days

[buoyant folio]

So

I just learned

I can use plague on summons 😭

that poor CE LOOL

[knotty kraken]

can yall see past 1:16 btw

[mystic elbow]

Yea

[knotty kraken]

the vid is destroying my pc too ig

[graceful nexus]

I saw the whole game

[knotty kraken]

it wont buffer past for me 💀

https://streamable.com/9xg09e

[buoyant folio]

Homie cursed your game fr

[mystic elbow]

oh its paper

[knotty kraken]

?

[mystic elbow]

lets see if he's still on college wifi

[knotty kraken]

hmm now this one wont even load

[graceful nexus]

The CE game wasn't that bad. You're also being super aggressive in that match (nearly got you caught) but its CE so you got away with it.

The biggest issue im seeing is... you just don't use ur mp for offensive purposes rly. Like I was wondering if you would have ever pressed Inner Aurora or Galaxy but you had the idea that you're just going to jump around the whole game. You're laby so this is fine but this is kinda a situation where if you can see the opponents MP then you know when you can start tossing stuff out for catches.

You resorted to only hitting buttons

when you got hit

as a panic option

to win trades

[mystic elbow]

paeq do u ever refrain from using skills because of your pc

[knotty kraken]

ok that last vid wont even load for me

hmm i try to use em

[mystic elbow]

does it freeze your pc sometimes

[knotty kraken]

30:70

[mystic elbow]

paper's such a lagger bru 😭

[knotty kraken]

also whenev i get hit

it crunches the game

discord is being silly rn

cant even watch teh MP vid

[buoyant folio]

Real

[graceful nexus]

the mpx match was good but I think the mpx only dropped the combo cuz you were recording and maybe lagged

[mystic elbow]

my guy turned 18 and decided he wanted bad net when he grew up

[graceful nexus]

combo drops are just things you practice more so I dont think it has to be mentioned

for your own gameplay atleast

only like

really dangerous thing is

[buoyant folio]

Nah that MP lags

[graceful nexus]

oh

[mystic elbow]

they both lag so it cancels out no?

[buoyant folio]

Homie has that natural time space distortion as a buff

Sure

[graceful nexus]

honestly could have been a bit of both

[buoyant folio]

😭 LOL

[graceful nexus]

LOL

[knotty kraken]

for the ce
im looking back and there was only really one time where i wasnt in an animation wher i couldve hit a skill

[graceful nexus]

its less about

well its more like

[knotty kraken]

they were always at a bad angle or off screen

[graceful nexus]

Not putting yourself in situation to hit the skill

rather than

it not being usable

Like

If you position yourself on the map so that

you cant use ur buttons

then u wont end up using them

its something alot of ppl are hard at doing correctly

cuz its not something to think about

cuz like

alot of ppl for example

after combo ends

they have a comfort zone

or a sequence of things they do

like for you

its usually to just retreat to the middle of the map usually at the top and jump around

but while doing so it eliminates the pressure you put on the opponent a bit.

basically you let them move around for free

as a laby player

u can sorta get away with doing this

cuz laby is so crazy

but on another character just letting ppl stroll around is almost as bad as getting caught

[knotty kraken]

theres nothing i can really use to confirm back into pressure

besides a recatch after getup

i cant just sit ontop of them

my skills dont allow for it

[graceful nexus]

they do actually

its just

[celest ore]

fellas, are is this me and effective movement underrated

[graceful nexus]

its alot of like option selecting getup options...

this is the part of Laby thats actually

[mystic elbow]

[graceful nexus]

complicated

tho

laby awk is nerfed

so willingness to be aggressive like this

is less important I think

[knotty kraken]

i also cant not be aggressive

[celest ore]

should have seen me when i used to pvp with dancing flame weapon cause i didnt have reaper

"why opponent hav 600mp"

[knotty kraken]

i dont have the range nor the skills

[mystic elbow]

💀💀

[knotty kraken]

to play passive

[graceful nexus]

Thats the thing

vs some characters

you have to be aggressive

[warm hornet]

you can poke with X

[graceful nexus]

so how you play is fine

[knotty kraken]

not really

[graceful nexus]

but there are some characters that its like

if no1 gets a catch

until you inner aurora

[knotty kraken]

x has a horrendous end lag

[graceful nexus]

theres not alot of characters

that can get a button before u get that

[celest ore]

dfw is actually hilarious i recommend it as troll/challenge title

[graceful nexus]

so u can afford

to not be aggressive

SOMETIMES

[warm hornet]

but it's a decent pressure tool in my book.

[mystic elbow]

Against CE

U definitely can

[warm hornet]

:v

[knotty kraken]

yuh

for them to pressure me

[graceful nexus]

Like against CE you can just run at her she cant do much...

[mystic elbow]

😭

[graceful nexus]

but if ur fighting like BQ or something

u dont wanna stroll into the wrong hitbox...

[knotty kraken]

i cant even do that to CE

[graceful nexus]

run at her is not like

[mystic elbow]

U can actually

[graceful nexus]

a literal sense

its more like

[knotty kraken]

if theyre spamming >>zx?

[graceful nexus]

you can just go at her

[knotty kraken]

they just out SA me

[graceful nexus]

in general

[mystic elbow]

No they dont

[graceful nexus]

this is where understanding the other characters

comes in handy

you gotta know what attacks are super armor

and which arent

Because on Laby unless ur hitting delays and skills to make things easier you basically have to open yourself up to being in striking distance of most things when you go towards ppl.

so if u dont know what normals are super armor and what arent

u dont know when to actually go hit them

[warm hornet]

it's like this: if you try poking with X, just guess what they might do after.
they ether go around it (under or over based on character and platform position)
SA dash into it.
or avoid it entirely.

[graceful nexus]

well its not that simple but thats an okay example

tho pawk doesnt seem like the poke with X type

[warm hornet]

then you just react or make a guess when things happen.

[graceful nexus]

they seem like the poke with random air hitbox type...

[knotty kraken]

yuh cuz its farr too slow

i try if theyre off screen

or i know theyre in a vague direction

but its much easier to approach

than to risk an x

[celest ore]

ive been meaning to ask do you really not use forces at all?

[knotty kraken]

no

[celest ore]

or just like the basic ones

[knotty kraken]

i recently got grandma

[celest ore]

oh nice

[knotty kraken]

cuz of testing

so ive been using that

but others

no

[graceful nexus]

what level is your haunting spirit

[knotty kraken]

dont have it

[graceful nexus]

wait

what forces are we using...

[celest ore]

ive never seen paeq use it 😭

[warm hornet]

hey, i try to zone peeps with my slow moving "mid-range" electron ballz and it at least makes peeps trade a skill to avoid a hitstun or just get caught from it. (and then it follows up with my lightning chain force actives)

[knotty kraken]

what of it?

[graceful nexus]

oh naaaaaaah

[knotty kraken]

i sold haunting

when i got it

[graceful nexus]

Bro its time to get Fog and Haunting Spirit

[warm hornet]

got get it

[mystic elbow]

Ok but can u put obten on the bar

[graceful nexus]

😭

[knotty kraken]

i wouldnt use it anyways

[mystic elbow]

In that match against the dominator it wouldve helped

[knotty kraken]

i dont even use HA

[warm hornet]

non-leathal ranged options are nice pressure tools.

XD

[knotty kraken]

its there

but unused

[graceful nexus]

The main upside of haunting spirit is because when its unique it forces ppl to expend resources to move around unless theyre a double jump class. Or if they dont wanna do that it forces them to be unable to move around if they get hit by it.

[knotty kraken]

same with drain and obten

[graceful nexus]

Which makes it easier for you to use skills against them.

[warm hornet]

it can lead up to your opponent to having a disadantage state. (by a fair chance.)

[celest ore]

i just like it for the whole

[knotty kraken]

🤷‍♀️

[celest ore]

"opponent sees haunting spirit coming and tries to react to it" aspect

[graceful nexus]

ya it also

[warm hornet]

^

[graceful nexus]

makes them change their movement

so it has alot of uses

[warm hornet]

or trade with super armor to avoid hitstun.

[mystic elbow]

Watching them run is kinda funny

I just stand n watch it happen

[knotty kraken]

i just power through haunting

or circle back for a catch

[mystic elbow]

Crazy

[graceful nexus]

Just laby things.

[knotty kraken]

doesnt really effect my movement

[mystic elbow]

Buff

[warm hornet]

then i might expect you to circle back and get into position for you.

[knotty kraken]

wow

brain power being used

in pvp?

[mystic elbow]

What a chess move

[graceful nexus]

This is what i meant when I said like playing other characters teaches you the value of tools.

[buoyant folio]

Y'all ever just

get one shotted

in the middle of a combo

☺️ !!!!

[mystic elbow]

No

[buoyant folio]

Yeah well it happened to me just now

[warm hornet]

for me, no. (tank build)

[knotty kraken]

https://streamable.com/8axbka

[buoyant folio]

Some KE called Exquisite

[mystic elbow]

In 2s i normally get hit by random aoe nuke cross map

[knotty kraken]

lets see if i can watch this one

[mystic elbow]

:/

[buoyant folio]

💀 like.. aight?

Sure buddy

getting a single accidentally skill in but successfully killing me due to it

really deserved!

this game

severly needs skill ceiling damage caps

[mystic elbow]

Y did u inner aurora to jump into the attack

Dududu wouldve worked there

[knotty kraken]

cuz im an idiot who cant hit skills fast enough

[mystic elbow]

Nvm

U didnt have it

But u would have it IF U HAD MPR

[celest ore]

+12 release cra

[graceful nexus]

bro really just jumped into add ^Z

[knotty kraken]

7.04% mpr

[graceful nexus]

honestly alot of that match was good

[knotty kraken]

:)

[buoyant folio]

I deserve a one shot skill

☺️

[graceful nexus]

only glaring thing was

[knotty kraken]

but again

[buoyant folio]

The worst part is how

[knotty kraken]

i dont use skills

[buoyant folio]

I perfectly caught that KE 5 times in a row

[graceful nexus]

not knowing what to do when getting stigma'd by an add with maximum strike up.

[buoyant folio]

and all it takes is spamming a key while in the middle ofa combo

awooooga

awooogiiiii

[warm hornet]

for playing a low teir character, my best bet is looking for player habbits and then pray i can react or reposition in time. (or at best, trade)

[celest ore]

i fought paeq a few times i think they're real good

strong yolo energy

but that might just be how laby is

[knotty kraken]

things is

any other etw

is at least 2x better

[graceful nexus]

The only thing id say is other EW's probably have their confirms off >>^X a bit more down pact. It seems like sometimes you try to do too much.

[celest ore]

what other etw

[graceful nexus]

But I dont play laby so I cant comment

[warm hornet]

same.

[knotty kraken]

thats also the thing

0 etws

[graceful nexus]

Yea most EW players became TPs

[knotty kraken]

confirming off >>^x is soooo much of a pain