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mystic elbow
@hollow carbon na ca needs to be gutted
hollow carbon
<@895831263942946867> na ca needs to be gutted
REAL
oblique sundial
depends on the luciel, dia styles on people the other three are kinda basic
hollow carbon
ITS THE PLAYERS
I can agree dyb isnt that broken its the players
hollow carbon
that gurlie nukes at 100~ mp π
i hate her frost arrow the most
once she cast ik im ded an i rage a lil
mystic elbow
i hate her having an active that makes her arrows cost nothing but still gives her mp!
hollow carbon
dyb just makes me so madddd espically the trash ones who just spam freeze arrows after x spams
lilac merlin
I can agree dyb isnt that broken its the players
Nah sheβs def broken π
You realistically can only play her without a loss of damage / potentially messing up by doing the x loop until u freeze and nuke. Itβs just the safer option
oblique sundial
that gurlie nukes at 100~ mp π
so kill her before she reaches 100 mp
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dusk dock
When are revive titles going to be PvE only π
oblique sundial
just use the raid acc lel
hollow hound
There is an specific DaB player that I decided to avoid at all cost because there is nothing I can do about it.
Btw, I fought a MPx with an interesting gameplay. They use Moonlight Breaker to bring me near to them. I don't know if that's a bug on the skill hitbox or not but is kind of cool.
:0
I have never seen someone playing DaB like that. So fancy.
oblique sundial
Every character has the potential to do cool stuff
It's just that 90% of the time the cool stuff is so far away from optimal that it's a waste of your time
hollow hound
Yeah, not always.
oblique sundial
Some characters just do obscene damage with normals
hollow hound
Not all chars have a DS.
oblique sundial
And have good oki
hollow hound
Or crazy cmd dmg.
oblique sundial
Ye normals
hollow hound
Yes.
oblique sundial
Dia in 1s is funny
hollow hound
Β¦-Β¦
hollow hound
So sad.
oblique sundial
They're bq but somehow not as edgy
abstract yacht
Not all chars have a DS.
absolutely every char has a deva strike tier of dmg skill for pvp.
only exceptions would be like
Oz or EtW
but even those have smth just as absurd to compensate
even CEs got nuking skills
Genocide Ripper deals a good chunk and because of how quick it is, ppl dont expect it to mb asap
mystic elbow
Dev strike is a nuke that cant be manabroken so no not all characters have those
hollow hound
Like you said, there are exceptions. That's why I said that not all of the characters have a DS.
celest ore
abstract yacht
I only rly looked at the dmg for comparison hence I said "absolutely everyone has DS dmg tier"
if we come to non-mbable, sure
although classes that dont, generally have skills that are nearly as quick you wouldnt normally react fast enough like mod geno ripper as I said, as well as new unmod BP
so it can... kinda count ig?
oz nullifying you from mp and disabling u from skill because for some reason everytime u get up they always have phantom breathe ready to screw u (like srsly wth is that CD.)
that her kit as a whole may as well count as not letting you mb π
or Chatter being mbable but PR can just drain ur mp to hell without KD'ing u π
hollow hound
That's true.
hardy pike
do we have the new AeS/DaB with this Lithia's skill? π€
glass echo
Haven't hopped on Els in months and just from that skill icon I'm going to guess it's a homing skill
willow mural
ding ding ding
noble pelican
It has impressive tracking + It lingers for awhile
hollow carbon
HIII COSMO
buoyant folio
wwhere's wanda
noble pelican
HIII COSMO
hiiiiiiiii
buoyant folio
noble pelican
too many options to choose from. understandable
hollow carbon
nah
buoyant folio
MP
hollow carbon
nah
hollow carbon
i dont wont to learn laby or add
buoyant folio
π what
knotty kraken
racist
noble pelican
i just play aisha, so i say any of them π
hollow carbon
yea i might learn tw
if not tw then uhhhhh
all characters have movement
so this is a hard decision
noble pelican
what about elboi?
noble pelican
rocky stone
so this is a hard decision
Honestly, if you're unsure on who you want to play, you can always just watch PvP videos of characters and then decide whether or not you'd like to play them.
Either that or you can try them out individually and see if their playstyle fits the type of character you'd like to play
In the end you're never hardstuck to one character. If you're halfway through learning one character and begin to think it's boring there's no harm in changing your mind
hollow carbon
Honestly, if you're unsure on who you want to play, you can always just watch Pv...
yea this what i did an i want to learn TW
Hey, @potent abyss what should my pvp skills be for tw
potent abyss
Hey, <@409942969697697803> what should my pvp skills be for tw
I run fatality, bfs, briar, seed trap, mod icicle, furious engage , delayed fire and butterfly
hollow carbon
also by any chance you can get on ?
potent abyss
Sure
potent abyss
U want tw or raven
empty ore
In the end you're never hardstuck to one character. If you're halfway through le...
To add on to this. playing multiple characters can give you valuable mu experience.
abstract yacht
Haven't hopped on Els in months and just from that skill icon I'm going to guess...
lingers longer than a mb + unique obteneration
hf with that info.
mystic elbow
@celest ore yer so squishy π
celest ore
IKR π
celest ore
i got yote on a sandstorm π
mystic elbow
π β
buoyant folio
Yote'd yer yee's
mystic elbow
I didn't think that would kill u
celest ore
you know my rose could probably oneshot me...
mystic elbow
all the ppl who can only one shot in SS today 
celest ore
nvm my rose is even squishier
mystic elbow
LOOL
buoyant folio
get squished
glass echo
lingers longer than a mb + unique obteneration
Why is KoG so incompetent?
They nerf skills that had those same traits
Oh but when they make a new character
They suddenly forget all the things they had to nerf on other characters and add those nuances to the new characters
Actual monkeys
buoyant folio
because they want everyone to bandwagon
mystic elbow
^
mystic elbow
n it works every single time
buoyant folio
It does
mystic elbow
so no sense in not doing it
glass echo
Tragic
glass echo
Right down to the dev team
mystic elbow
nah just KR!
buoyant folio
not enough people who think with their brain
mystic elbow
I HATE KR ELSWORDIANS
glass echo
Woo racism π
buoyant folio
mystic elbow
FACTS
buoyant folio
cass rn
buoyant folio
Woo racism π
OLmaoo
But yeah being fr
if we didn't have so many meta chasers
the game would probably be better
and KoG prolly wouldn't keep on repeating their mistakes π
mystic elbow
yea but that wasn't even racism fr! korean isnt a race
and i say that cuz
they're the whole reason
our game is the way it is
buoyant folio
Yeah ik it's just funny to say it that way π
but yeah that's true huh lol
What I find funny is how there were so many ppl who critique'd saying NA players wouldn't have better suggestions than Korean players
but korean players are quite literally the reason why elsword is the way it is
Quite literally don't knock it until you try it
Idk why ppl shoot down ideas rather than ever giving it a try
So closed minded and ignorant
mystic elbow
I can't say much cuz sometimes I do the same 
buoyant folio
I mean
mystic elbow
some ideas r pretty good though like spar weap
buoyant folio
I won't disagree because like I've said before
mystic elbow
others are...
buoyant folio
there's a lot of stupid ideas
But I think if people were to genuinely discuss, and come together as a community properly right
Popular ideas would typically be a good choice because bad ideas would be shot down immediately
It's not like we're asking ONE person to decide on these things
mystic elbow
Yea that's true
buoyant folio
it's always important to get your information from a majority
mystic elbow
I think one issue we have is a huge disconnect between endgame ppl and midgame
even in pvp
what ppl who arent considered "top players" any idea they have will prob just get
shut down
by ppl who are
buoyant folio
That's why you don't listen to just your "top players"
mystic elbow
if it puts them at a disadvantage at all
buoyant folio
because most of the time your top players aren't actually the best players anyways
and
"top players" are mentally unstable
so π
They got there for a reason!
mystic elbow
I feel like in terms of kog
they're more likely to listen to endgame
n top players
buoyant folio
Of course
mystic elbow
than ppl who are midgame
buoyant folio
and honestly
everytime a company only listens to their "top players"
the game ends up bad
mystic elbow
case in point: ELSWORD
buoyant folio
It's crazy because there's so many examples out there
yet somehow
all these companies
?? Do not learn from mistakes from other companies
π
Like
It's not the same type of game/genre, etc.
but if it's online and generally has grinding right
bosses/raiding
mystic elbow
they rly got the same mindset
buoyant folio
The IDEA isa the same in the end
mystic elbow
as long as its still making money
buoyant folio
Yeah
The funniest thing is
If they were for example
to treat their game right
their players fairly
they wo uld make
quite a lot of money LOL
LIKE
IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT IDEA TO PROCESS
It's been time and time again proven that, games that are good make a ton of money
π but these companies take the easier way out,
celest ore
but korean players are quite literally the reason why elsword is the way it is
me thinking about how global maplestory2 was the best version of that game
buoyant folio
Like
buoyant folio
these ideas they pump out
are short-term
not long
Although unfortunately elsword h as somehow stayed as long as it did
Only bc gamers are stupid
mystic elbow
y am i fighting laggy ahh TP π
glass echo
y am i fighting laggy ahh TP π
Deport them
mystic elbow
i should
buoyant folio
any normal person thinks that way
I've had this very same mindset since 2014 π
the people I've argued with were like
π€ KoG is a company, they've got to make money
Yeah of course they do
buoyant folio
However the concept of "good game make good money" isn't difficult to think of
buoyant folio
I mean
Yeah
However they made more than enough money
HOWEVER
the money doesn't go back into elsword
mystic elbow
im agreeing w/ u
buoyant folio
KoG doesn't invest on Elsword
they've bene investing
into trash like kurtz pel
LMAO
LIKE
C'MON?????
WHO ASKED FOR THIS π
mystic elbow
yes they need to make money but if they keep making everything cost like $40
celest ore
It's been time and time again proven that, games that are good make a ton of mon...
oh yeah i've been ranting about this for a while now, i mean i don't expect anything to ever come of it but it's an interesting conversation to have
mystic elbow
it much limits who can pay for it
celest ore
na would most likely make more money with some adjustments
buoyant folio
Yeah true
Like I've played games with superior systems
that elsword can benefit from
but by gods implementing it is a nono because their top players said so! 
ooh it would be soooo bad if everyone benefitted from turning elsword into a better game π€ !!
mystic elbow
yea lets take our game that makes the most money
and pour it into a game no one plays!
buoyant folio
Fr...
I don't understand their mindset
it's so insane how little they invest into Elsword
mystic elbow
RETURN ALIVE!!!
celest ore
i mean i gotta admit
return alive is scarily high effort for a game nobody asked for...
buoyant folio
Dude I remember opening up Return ALive's discord chat
the people in there actually liked the game π
But I couldn't stand playing it
it's so boring
Who asked for this game?
WHO IS THIS GAME EVEN FOR LMAO
There are other games that do what Return Alive does
but BETTER
SO WHO
SI THIS GAME FOR
celest ore
i dont think its bad but like idk why kog made it
buoyant folio
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AN IODIOT TO PLAY IT π
celest ore
i dont think its bad but like idk why kog made it
you could play any number of games of the same genre that run way better with infinitely more content
mystic elbow
i rly think
buoyant folio
If they properly invested into Elsword
It could be a lot bigger than it already is
buoyant folio
This game really needs some serious balancing and revamping
mystic elbow
but no one asked for her
buoyant folio
and honestly I might sound crazy for this but
I also believe we need more advancements
mystic elbow
and I also rly think they could bring more ppl in by shining on pvp
buoyant folio
People LOVE the class stories from what I could tell
buoyant folio
and hell, if they invested into specific class stories I think that could take off in a unique direction
mystic elbow
watching
buoyant folio
Oh yeah definitely
glass echo
People LOVE the class stories from what I could tell
I don't care about the stories I just like looking at a hot new Ara
buoyant folio
PvP Streaming was extremely popular
especially compared to PvE
Like who wants to watch
some dude
raid the same raid they've done
12903809128390128903812903890129 times
π
PvP can be unpredictable, and unique
Like sure, there's nukes, etc.
but it's still built different than PvE
celest ore
i mean im honestly surprised kurtzpel is even still up but
mystic elbow
"Watch me farm Ran!"
celest ore
i digress
mystic elbow
yea.. im def watching that..
buoyant folio
I don't care about the stories I just like looking at a hot new Ara
Fair enough
Designs was also the other popular part about advancements
Sometimes they'd downgrade
sometimes they'd upgrade
mystic elbow
oh yea the designs in this game
buoyant folio
ppl would be mixed up but in the end, people would generally enjoy them
buoyant folio
fr
glass echo
Yeah
buoyant folio
Honestly I can see us getting another advancement eventually
glass echo
Only thing about this game I still like
buoyant folio
I just hope it's not something like trans/master
because those were insanely underwhelming and boring
glass echo
Yeah I hate trans people too
mystic elbow
π
buoyant folio
celest ore
Extremely unique
but yeah just to talk on this, it's a bit interesting isnt it?
kog started with games that aren't quite like anything else but these days have their faith placed in the games that are exactly like everything else
buoyant folio
Lol yeah
Clearly their good devs are gone from the team
If.. we could even call them "good"
iirc
right
I heard they lost a ton of workers that knew how Elsword's coding worked
Which is pretty bad for a game like Elsword bc it shows how limited they are.
Like sure they can learn, but they won't be high-quality
not until they become really good at it
celest ore
not surprised tbh
buoyant folio
yeah it makes sense imo
At some point Elsword stagnated
I think maybe around 2018?
and then it started picking up again at some point
hard to tell the exact dates but y'know
buoyant folio
It's why
Some ppl bring up the idea of "Elsword 2"
but genuinely I think people just want Elsword to have a modern engine
buoyant folio
with everything being the same, better if possible of course.
celest ore
leaked image of elsword source code (2022, colorized)
mystic elbow
nvm pre-laby
buoyant folio
Honestly I loved Elsword the most when the community was bigger
mystic elbow
i forgot she was in the game in 2020
buoyant folio
Because there was actual people to meet
π
and now it's the same 10 ppl
π€
buoyant folio
mm laggy tps βΊοΈ
celest ore
with everything being the same, better if possible of course.
elsword 2 is always gonna be a double edged sword, as much as i would also find it to be an interesting thing to happen
buoyant folio
Oh it definitely would be a double-edged sword
celest ore
it would be nice to get new technology that doesnt run at 5fps in dungeons etc.
BUT, here's a big but
celest ore
i truly genuinely 100% believe that if kog made an elsword sequel on a modern engine it'd be designed for multi platform e.g genshin
buoyant folio
Considering how horrible Kog is as a company
they would fail
lmao.
ew god no
Multi-platform Elsword π
they would have to downgrade so many system if they did that LOL
celest ore
i don't agree with it i'm just saying what would happen π
celest ore
yeah
like hypothetical modern elsword sequel is most likely gonna be vastly simplified in numerous areas
just so its easy and streamlined to play on anything from a terminal keyboard to a phone screen
and i hate it but thats just where the money is
buoyant folio
fr.
abstract yacht
They nerf skills that had those same traits
a reminder that shooting bind was so broken on transcendence release because recasting it stacked the delay effects to a point that you had 5 SECONDS OF DELAY TO WORK WITH
got nerfed after 2 weeks
then they released Ain
to which RT's still lenze had a 3s delay on release.
cue to RH's mod Maximum Dive was so broken because it's a hitscan teleport and with the massive delay it had it was a 100% confirm button that not even lag would save you
so broken they removed its delay entirely as well as removing any vertical hitscan
proceeds to release AD with the same exact concept of a skill
THEN PROCEEDS TO GIVE A MOD FOR GENESIS AS WELL BUT WITH EVEN MORE RANGE
like, KoG has shown they don't learn and always reintroduce things that have clearly shown them it's not good to have in the game
abstract yacht
***THEN PROCEEDS TO GIVE A MOD FOR GENESIS AS WELL BUT WITH EVEN MORE RANGE***
I'd also like to point out they released EtW's smash which is also a teleport skill with a hitscan
but this one is actually not broken at all compared to the peak of AD's, GS and RH's versions
because smash is actually terrible lol, it has a long animation before actually hitting as Laby appears next to you but has to dive down to hit, and the delay wears almost as soon as she starts diving giving you a timeframe to escape if you're mid-air or if there's a slight bit of latency (and the why the mod version is just 100% better.)
knotty kraken
ive had people get out of unmod smash just by running towards me
buoyant folio
I'm going to run towards you
knotty kraken
π
mystic elbow
ive had people get out of unmod smash just by running towards me
as they should
buoyant folio
knotty kraken
it does scan 2 platforms up and down tho
heres a suggestion
have lowe preform some simple commands
walk/run/jump/etc
like how SSBU does
buoyant folio
Super Sonic Brother Universe?!
knotty kraken
South Side Beach University
abstract yacht
like, KoG has shown they don't learn and always reintroduce things that have cle...
oh yeah, Laby having massive hitboxes
ppl: this is insanely stupid.
KoG: okay, we've learned, we release Noah
LB doesn't seem to have all that much dumb hitboxes so far
proceeds to release CL and his enormous 5 platform tall >>^XZ command
like who thought that was okay
knotty kraken
for SSBU you can make the cpu in training:
Stop: basically what lowe does already (stands still unless needing to recover)
CPU Level: makes the ai behave relative to what the ai level is (1-9)
Walk
Run
Jump
Neutral Special: B button when standing still (ie. could be like using a specific skill in els)
Side Smash: A button when either holding left or right (ie. one or a set of commands in els)
and Control which you couldnt really do in els
abstract yacht
At least
they have not reintroduced BQ's 3rd job release passive...
a shield in which negates a one hit dmg in which would've exceeded 10% of your HP...
imagine tossing your P.Bullet and the class just so casually says lmao
mystic elbow
for SSBU you can make the cpu in training:
Stop: basically what lowe does alread...
have ai w/ character weights
knotty kraken
fr even just that would work
or just like normal knockback and kd
would help a ton
versed knot
Honestly I can see us getting another advancement eventually
Collection will go craaaaazy
versed knot
That whole thing was painful to look at
mystic elbow
he's the only one in queue so im done for tonight
this is +12 laggy ahh CC bruh im good
buoyant folio
He's from Australia
mystic elbow
how non-NA players consistently pick the best characters to lag on is crazy
knotty kraken
i mysteriously have 6% aspd with everything off
well 11% because DA collection
ok so 4% of it is from fountain
so 2% mystery
mystic elbow
i still need AP but do i even want to keep queuing
celest ore
how non-NA players consistently pick the best characters to lag on is crazy
unironically wonder about this sometimes
oblique sundial
i still need AP but do i even want to keep queuing
just play in S rank for free ap lul
oh no you got too high? derank
even more free ap
mystic elbow
yea cuz there's no way its "i like _" its gotta be "I like _ and I like making ppl want to uninstall"
youre right
mystic elbow
i cant do that on this char she has like nothing
knotty kraken
so i have everything else nailed down where it comes from except for these two
2% command dmg
2% aspd (5% collection/4%fountain)
i genuinely cant figure out where these come from
oblique sundial
catastrophe doesnt have anything either
just do absurd amounts of damage iwth commands lul
knotty kraken
the command dmg MIGHT be from Kog being stupid with EtW's collection
2% command instead of 2% double attack
knotty kraken
yuh ik
but i have that mystery 2%
with no gear on
i was thinking that kog did something and made etw's collection register as command dmg instead of double attack
somehow
mystic elbow
ohh
knotty kraken
like this is my collection
yes ik its alot
id have to see someones collection without etw to verify
if kog messed up
abstract yacht
well 11% because DA collection
me having 27% aspd without socketing one single bit:
because of normalization jumping to 30% after 20%
27% is actually 43% aspd in raw
π where do I even get that much without even socketing it one bit
those 2% can probably come from pet mayhaps
or synergy maybe
knotty kraken
i have neither equipped
LMAO
at 86% aspd
the hit from mod mont blanc desyncs with the visuals
and this is just painful to watch
knotty kraken
i want to get even lower aspd
anyone know of any accs that lower aspd
besides moa
im not gonna spend 119m on a joke lol
knotty kraken
yea thats what im wearin
got it down to 86%
ik harco can lower it by another 20%
so im theocratically could be at 66%
61% with moa
abstract yacht
most of -aspd% sources are debuffs than equipment
so if you wanna go omega slow you'd need like, 7 other ppl to be willing to waste time in sparring room
and that they are actually cooperative and not some person that wants to like troll
knotty kraken
oz + fog would get me pretty far already lol
abstract yacht
there has been a video of an EtW going omega slow in sparr though, though i've never been able to find that video again
iirc it was smth like, -460% aspd?
literally took like 4 minutes to take off from screw driver
And when she did she just went flying lmao
abstract yacht
cuz apparently she's not coded to travel a fixed distance
she's coded that for as long as she's casting it, she'll keep rising up
so with -400% slow you pretty much just keep going up l m a o
knotty kraken
whelp heres the result
86% vs 130% aspd
it travels both farther forward and up
and significantly slower
and another mont blanc desync with 130%
fiery lionBOT
jj2201000 has been warned
onyx epoch
MASS EMOJI
onyx epoch
Devi:
Anyway i guess ill just type it out, RM, IM, GS, AES, RV, CA, CU, CET, FP, DA, DB, HR, Nisha, TP, LB, and CEL all have unbreakable nukes too
Oh forgot ab ele n rose, BQ, FL, MN
oblique sundial
Cata has two if you count ambush as a nuke, inno has shadow bolt
hollow hound
So closed minded and ignorant
Well, is not a surprise coling from a place where people have the mindset of "be the best of the best". Don't get me wrong, NA is competitive too, but in KR the situation is worse. If you don't have at least a +12 you are like a loser there.
:c
hollow hound
Oh no, he is in my guild.
oblique sundial
Koreans said YR was fine for how long
They also deal with a lot less lag on average
To the point where it can look like a completely different game
lilac merlin
He's from Australia
This explains why every time I queued against him I couldnβt land a single thing and heβd go through it π
Playing AN against people who arenβt from NA feels like literal hell thanks to the lag
buoyant folio
Lmao
mystic elbow
This explains why every time I queued against him I couldnβt land a single thing...
Tbf u were also lagging out of majority of my attacks π
mystic elbow
Nah not me never
willow mural
maybe the real lag was the friends we made along the way
buoyant folio
Buff FL #2 (Cassian) is known to proclaim to not lag, despite having the internet of one from the Boonies. Their connection speeds are thereby as told:
0 mbps Down
0 mbps Up
mystic elbow
Sounds like an episode of Dr Phil
clever sigil
into trash like kurtz pel
hot take:
if they balanced out the costs of the classes , Didn't rip out the OG story content, continued to build off of that, added in some Gacha pity, had more active/experiemntal balancing(versus waiting a good while) and improved the progression for the currency instead of focusing on KP The i believe that KurtzPel would've been in a great light, or even one of KoG's greatest games.
It has-No, had that potential: neat fight system, comboing and dueling (might be because I liked Continent of the Ninth Seal's combat, but this had more balance in comparison)
PVE and raiding was there, and the Raid rewards(though RNG) wasn't the worst thing, it was neat doing the raids too.
I solemnly believe that Kurtzpel has that glint, But they messed up by:
Removing a majority of the story content(and killing the bond cutscenes post-fight), cutting down the amount of exp and currency you could earn(or was it increasing the amount you need for leveling along with other items to make it a slog), being competitive in pvp required a massive grind( iirc one of the skills needed a massive grind to acquire it). They did make the class aquirement dirt cheap, but the cons outweigh that Pro.
Thus, you got KurtzPel being a Zombie game.
hollow hound
ΒΏOG story content?
buoyant folio
I'm ngl
I didn't even play kurtzpel that long
but bygods the half hour I played it felt so bad π so Idk anything about it
clever sigil
and.. to add on, As Degenerate as KutzPel's customization and fashion can get(or even be, but hey, FREEEDOM YO) It's customization was bangers for what it was
clever sigil
ΒΏOG story content?
by that, I'm refeering to when they had cutscenes and story quests if you had the character's perspective class.
Say: if you had Blazing Fist, You would play Jin's story quest(which i should be calling a Interlude), containing dialogue, cutscenes, fights ,etc. Then you'd have a bonding system with that char.
after the changes: That didn't exist no more.
Idk if KoG brought it back in 2024( 2023 to be exact) but it's a yikes in my book, and one of the game's nail for it's present coffin.
matter of fact, I don't even know if they can even revive that game( Prove me wrong if you're Reading this, KoG)
clever sigil
whelp heres the result
Slow ETW Meta When?
onyx epoch
Cata has two if you count ambush as a nuke, inno has shadow bolt
I forgot ab that
onyx epoch
U just like tagging me for no reason huh <:yikes:1069532583131627580>
It is a reason, i h8 when ara is seen as an innocent balanced char when devi and shakti exist
knotty kraken
It is a reason, i h8 when ara is seen as an innocent balanced char when devi and...
etw is fair and balanced too
onyx epoch
Now we overdosing
No laby is fair its just one is less broken slightly than the other
glass echo
Any AeS players who can tell me if Magic Missile is still in the game?
Who's an AeS I can ping here for an immediate answer
willow mural
Any AeS players who can tell me if Magic Missile is still in the game?
it is
glass echo
Gotcha tyty
abstract yacht
it is but also sucks nowadays
buoyant folio
Sounds magical
heavy spear
i remember when items were in arena and i got stunlocked by a magic missile after eating a giant's potion
buoyant folio
this reminds me of a certain someone in here
buoyant folio
π€ !>?
empty ore
Any AeS players who can tell me if Magic Missile is still in the game?
Sup
Just ping me next time lol
Anywho its cause KOG couldnt let it go
glass echo
I was just looking through chat to see if there were any Aisha players here but I only saw Arnold and he was offline
empty ore
Its still an alright button, even a solid confirm with the hitstun changes.
She got better to press tho
glass echo
Gotcha, I just wanted to know if it still existed
empty ore
Ahh you just wanted to know if it existed.
glass echo
Yep
oblique sundial
I was just looking through chat to see if there were any Aisha players here but ...
im never actually offline i just go offline so that i dont get spam dmed by people who want to play overwatch
noble pelican
I remember this happening somewhere: magic missile > memorize while enemy is hit stunned > magic missile loop
glass echo
I think we all remember that
Another painful memory: LuCiel running and using nothing but Soul Sigil
Stuff like this used to gatekeep me from S rank back in the day lmao
oblique sundial
Another painful memory: LuCiel running and using nothing but Soul Sigil
I preferred running for spectral spear back in the day tbh
I miss noblesse 8 mp/s in pvp :(
hollow carbon
Man I need really some dmg red
What is these little tricks people be putting down in PvP
Like this on DB I was fighting he was getting +4 mp from this little circle thingy
empty ore
Like this on DB I was fighting he was getting +4 mp from this little circle thin...
Wander Marchen 4/4
Summons a thing were you get 1%mp/s
He can get 4mp
I would get 5
versed knot
I remember seeing a vid of a CL stacking max mp and would clock mp with natal and WM 4/4
empty ore
Yee its why they were all goin for as much mp gain as they could
TIll natal got nerfed anyways
glass echo
π
rich quail
Except thereβs no numbers change, so youβre just taking a mod to lose 120% damage in PvE, 100% damage in PvP.
abstract yacht
Newbies coming in and seeing mod: wait what exactly is changed?
KoG:
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
mystic elbow
Ara has wayy too many mods that change nothing but add a effect
abstract yacht
at least theres a difference
now this one is just plain nothing 
same animation
same hitbox
no new effect
absolutely 0 difference
oh but you lose dmg
mystic elbow
might as well get rid of it
glass echo
KoG having a brain speedrun:
buoyant folio
KoGuette
rich quail
might as well get rid of it
yes letβs delete shadow blast again and make an actually good transcendence tenacity skill for asura / shakti with a real mod
glass echo
Fr
Also why did SH's brav buff get nerfed for party members?
10% hardly sounds broken to me in PvE
abstract yacht
is actually 15% cuz of final enhance
post nerf is 10%
but yeah
big yikes for Shakti
abstract yacht
kinda
yeah
glass echo
Then I guess I know nothing
rich quail
Is already a bad enough deal that Shakti doesnβt get picked for raids as a buffer. So theyβve made it even worse.
abstract yacht
good numbers are usually 15-20%
30% is like getting broken
10% is m e h
glass echo
Now how am I ever going to get taken into raids as a beginner PvE Shakti????
They nerfed my only support skill!
glass echo
We do?
glass echo
Oh right
Reason enough for me to never be a sheep and switch off of SH if I wanna do PvE
Thank you!
rich quail
Nope still couldnβt get picked as a supporter for defense shred even with suppression specter.
glass echo
mystic elbow
they do another balance patch in another 2 weeks
so who knows they might fix some of this
glass echo
It's okay, eventually people will get so strong that they'll take literally anyone in raids to afk while they clear
rich quail
4/6 physical Berthe party. βLF>Supportβ. Apply as Shakti. βLF>Chungβ.
glass echo
That's when I'll make my debut
People don't need supports anyways
Just play better and stop begging
π
buoyant folio
https://tenor.com/view/stickydacat-gif-26502121
hollow hound
Ummm guys. I got a question...
mystic elbow
?
hollow hound
A friend have fought a specific DaB but there is nothing he can do. If he stays close, DaB will catch him, if he stays far away, DaB will charge mana. So, since he can't do anything, even if he try hard, he decided to d/c.
What should he do?
mystic elbow
well what class is he
hollow hound
A CE like me.
mystic elbow
the prob w/ dab is that once she uses hunter's steadiness she doesn't consume mana by using x commands
hollow hound
I don't know what to tell him since I struggle with DaB too.
mystic elbow
as CE you're constantly having to play safe but i believe if she's just shooting arrows at u the whole time
it means she's not charging
which is good
so you could just keep making her shoot arrows and fly around
you'll be gaining passive mp
she'll also be gaining passive mp but i think its at least a better game plan
simply bc CE has no ranged commands and no super armor
even though dab has no sa she can easily just keep shooting arrows
which means CE has no real way of approaching her
besides cheesing
mystic elbow
yea she does
oblique sundial
ces got a grenade or smth right
mystic elbow
does she π
abstract yacht
DyB: has like 3 mp gain passives, NF and extra mp gain when proc'ing NF on commands (including the fake NF proc)
KoG: yeah lets give her an active that removes costs on projectiles
mystic elbow
yayyy balance!
oblique sundial
does she π
yes
there ya go, thats your matchup
pray you can hit a grenade and get a catch off of it lul
literally the exact same thing that i do with luciels
glass echo
Because KoG is run by monkies
empty ore
This is the mod skill you know they just added to fill a quota and say
"Hey guys we added 3 mods HeRe Ya Go!"
versed knot
Is CE's fayne + core not a thing anymore
abstract yacht
2011 image rly but man
Im surprised they havent updated that passive's icon lmao
versed knot
Inb4 they'll do an icon revamp overhaul
dire granite
DA is defintely not easy to go up against
buoyant folio
DA should be deleted.
mystic elbow
Chung*
buoyant folio
true
buoyant folio
Huuuuuuuh
hollow hound
Guess the player.
abstract yacht
Features I wish made a comeback: clashing projectiles
so, for some reason, Rena's arrows have this feature in which a melee attack can actually make it disappear
like.. Rena's arrow specifically (not sure about TW's twigs though).
but also only old characters are capable of clashing her arrows with a melee command, Ik for certain Chung and Elsword can, I've done it (more on chung cuz ofc I play him more)
I know Raven was capable of doing so as well.... but I don't know now because KoG revamped his ZZZZ so I'm unsure if current ZZZZ can still do so for Raven...
I don't know which was the last character to have been given this feature, I think Ara was also capable of clashing it?
but newer characters for sure can't do it, Ain Laby Noah Lithia don't have this coded to them
and I'm unsure why it was only given to Rena's arrows and no one else's projectiles
noble pelican
Imagine doing that with Roseβs bullets!
Cutting bullets with a sword would be so cool
kindred frost
I feel so trash at 2s 90 percent of the time
rich quail
I'm pretty sure that, rather than forgetting to add it to new characters, they just adjusted Rena's arrows to be unclashable. The only ones that still have that property are Amelia and Lime since they're still basically Launch Rena.
abstract yacht
I'm pretty sure that, rather than forgetting to add it to new characters, they j...
doubt so considering I clashed Rena's projectile fairly recently
which is why I got reminded that that feature even existed lmao
celest ore
probably just something lost in one of the many director changes
abstract yacht
I mean even then why was it just Rena
Aisha also existed in that director's same time period
Eve too probably
but their projectiles cant be clashed
pallid parcel
Deadly Chaser heavy attack being parried
what a past
and theres Glory's Statue being a menace reflecting all projectiles in PvP
oblique sundial
i miss soggy
buoyant folio
Soggy what
glass echo
Soggy bread
warm hornet
glass echo
i mean i guess thats why you put milk first.
empty ore
I mean even then why was it just Rena
Aisha also existed in that director's same...
We used to have a lot more reflect.
Never forget Rune Slayer's rng reflect passive
abstract yacht
We used to have a lot more reflect.
no this isnt reflect
its using a normal melee command
to literally yeet the arrow out of the game
like if u time the melee cmd to hit the arrow the arrow just go poof
empty ore
Yes, you are talking about arrow clash
I was lurking for that
Im just talking about the latter half. Where you mentioned other chars projectiles.
And the answer to those was reflect.
abstract yacht
Yeah but rena can be clashed AND reflected
why only hers
why cant u cmd a fireball to remove its existence too
or FP bullets or Eve electroballs
empty ore
From a dev standpoint. I feel they didnt want Rena's arrows to be too unnapproachable. Because the melee's didnt have as much speed, super armor, or range as they did now.
Rena was one of the original 3. So she was made with that clashing thing in mind. By later on with shooting chaser and deadly chaser. They probably realized it wasnt worth the effort.
abstract yacht
empty ore
Old fireballs were big and slow ngl.
hollow carbon
Hey @noble pelican you want to 1v1 again
noble pelican
Hey <@271879556313382914> you want to 1v1 again
Sorry! I didnβt see until now
You still on?
hollow carbon
You still on?
yea
hollow carbon
Summoning all Aisha players
Okay so
I was informed Aisha can see from far away
This was the description I was giving
They'll use their gfx card interface to force wide-screen mode
So that you can see the enemy further away and have more time to react
versed knot
Yeah pretty much that
Works with anybody really, not just aisha
When laby takes 11/15 loses
versed knot
Just buy a wider monitor
versed knot
What is enough-
Dang I'm over here playing 1920x1080
Honestly you dont have to see the opponent, just gotta hear em
hollow carbon
Dang I'm over here playing 1920x1080
Nothing wrong with that
versed knot
Yeah I'm just saying, you'll prolly be ok with with that res
hollow carbon
I donβt get how I canβt do it
Or if I can
I need any advantage I can have in a fight
willow mural
im on 1920 too
hollow carbon
My main problem in PvP is Iβm not learning from my mistakes thatβs all it is holding me back
On top of character knowledge
versed knot
Just take a breather after each match and think about how you did that game, win or lose
Things like How'd you get caught, How'd you catch, just sort it into Do's and Dont's
noble pelican
Dang I'm over here playing 1920x1080
1920x1080 squad!
noble pelican
My main problem in PvP is Iβm not learning from my mistakes thatβs all it is hol...
You can record your matches if your PC can handle it. By all means, Bandicam, OBS, etc. will work
Whatever wonβt eat a lot of resources βcause it can make your game lag, stutter, and whatnot
hollow carbon
π @noble pelican please get on later and teach me LA loops
Iβm losing sm
Damage
From not knowing them
noble pelican
ππΌ
hollow carbon
ima record my gameplay this fight @versed knot
versed knot
Heck yeah
mystic elbow
We had this convo earlier with Mona
abstract yacht
So that you can see the enemy further away and have more time to react
this iss not aisha specific.
mystic elbow
I gotta find the screenies later the diff between widescreen n 1920 x 1080
abstract yacht
its just how game does not adapt well with resolution so bigger resolution ends up giving more vision
example.
empty ore
They'll use their gfx card interface to force wide-screen mode
Ah yes this nonsense
As someone whos just tryna vibe in 1920x1080 Anyone who uses widescreen can go politely jump off a building.
With that being said, yes as long as you have a nvidia card you can force widescreen settings.
Infact hold on, I have the documentation for it.
celest ore
as long as you're in fullscreen elsword will obey your monitor's resolution
but there are also numerous ways to lie about what your monitor's specs are
you don't even need nvidia
plush adder
you can do that by setting a custom resolution which worked for me but my frames suffered so I went back to 1920
hollow carbon
With that being said, yes as long as you have a nvidia card you can force widesc...
I need to do it
mystic elbow
I need to do it
U rly dont π
mystic elbow
But when u realize that a lot of the ppl u fight
buoyant folio
yes
celest ore
most of the vids i see of pvp in kr use it too
mystic elbow
Ofc Zal does it
celest ore
most of the vids i see of pvp in kr use it too
they literally use widescreen and squish it back down to 16:9 for the video
mystic elbow
All 2s players cept maybe Yasu use widescreen
hollow carbon
Elsword becoming more take advantage of anything you can when it come to PvP
empty ore
Yes, that's true. For 1vs1s you don't need it. 2v2s moreso especially if everyone else has it
hollow carbon
Anything can be an advantage on your account
βOn your accountβ π why are you like this
Arkieeee
Where you at
π get onnnn
hollow carbon
So how do I do it
mystic elbow
Think about all the things u can get on an account
mystic elbow
U have to change the resolution on your monitor
hollow carbon
I forgot stretch res even existed ever since my Fortnite days
hollow carbon
U have to change the resolution on your monitor
To wha
buoyant folio
1 x 10,000
mystic elbow
Youre trolling π
buoyant folio
I am not
mystic elbow
Idk start by 3440 x 1440
mystic elbow
βΊοΈ
celest ore
thats my monitor's resolution
mystic elbow
Not yet rly
buoyant folio
3440 is not 4k
mystic elbow
3440 x 1440 is what I use
buoyant folio
3840 by 2160 is 4k
mystic elbow
Its not completely widescreen but it does give a little bit more of the map
mystic elbow
Well thats the resolution i play at without playing in full screen
Thats windowed mode
Cuz full screen is gey
mystic elbow
I played it for like 3 matches cuz full screen for me is widescreen
But then I got annoyed tryna go back on discord n went back to windowed
hollow carbon
Lmao
mystic elbow
Id do widescreen if I could have it like that in window mode
hollow carbon
Why elsword donβt have borderless
buoyant folio
because kog is cool
mystic elbow
I cant so 3440 x 1440
buoyant folio
2k00l4sk00l
hollow carbon
I want to try stretch res elsword
Iβm sure thereβs a way I can get my hands on it
celest ore
Dang π my monitor is 2560x1440
get a custom resolution of 2560x1080
lavish socket
I want to try stretch res elsword
Technically you could put 1080p ultrawide
2560Γ1080
celest ore
^
hollow carbon
1080p feels trash after 1440p
celest ore
it's just adding black bars to the top and bottom to make elsword wider
lavish socket
I'm over here chilling with my 1440p Ultrawide
celest ore
I'm over here chilling with my 1440p Ultrawide
real
hollow carbon
I'm over here chilling with my 1440p Ultrawide
Iβm one monitor size away
lavish socket
Technically if you have AMD you could force the game into any resolution by forcing AMD super resolution
hollow carbon
I have nvidia π
lavish socket
I've done that before
I forced the game into 8K but I was running in like 5 FPS
LMAO
lavish socket
I think Nvidia has an option like that just Google it
oblique sundial
I'm over here chilling with my 1440p Ultrawide
Saeem
lavish socket
It's probably as easy as Nvidia where you just click on a button somewhere to do it
hollow carbon
Is it upscaling
lavish socket
Possibly
lavish socket
Cool
You just have to remember forcing a resolution can greatly impact your performance
hollow carbon
lavish socket
Depending on what resolution you put it in
For me it was just activating the super resolution and then go inside Elsword to put the higher resolution
celest ore
if it lets you put custom do 2560x1080
hollow carbon
Yup
lavish socket
Oh yeah just let you know once you force a resolution elsword is not going to like that
hollow carbon
Have a heart attack?
lavish socket
Some UI elements might have artifacting
buoyant folio
ya els doesn't like 4k
hollow carbon
π omg
buoyant folio
nor wide-res
lavish socket
nor wide-res
I wish someone told me before I buy an ultra wide
lavish socket
My character model looks like it gained weight in some UI elements
hollow carbon
Iβm so glad I went nvidia
buoyant folio
fat rose
celest ore
the updated uis are fine on widescreen
celest ore
Iβm so glad I went nvidia
even intel has that π
lavish socket
Yea
hollow carbon
lavish socket
No
buoyant folio
lavish socket
Lol
lavish socket
Congrats you have ultra wide
hollow carbon
thats crazy lmao
i can make any resoultion
ouuuuuuuu
ima try watching anime in 8k
lavish socket
ima try watching anime in 8k
Yeah and then watch your computer turn into an airplane
hollow carbon
π surely me pc canβt handle it right
lavish socket
As it dies trying to make 8k resolution
lavish socket
I can oc my monitor
Not in Elsword
hollow carbon
Do hz even matter in elsword
lavish socket
Do hz even matter in elsword
Nope
celest ore
elsword caps at 80fps
lavish socket
It's locked at 80 no matter what you do
lavish socket
ALSO WHY 80