like, not functional
#pvp
sacred niche
Me as well when I actually see people who do combos, sometimes I just let them take the win if I was blown away with their tricks.
But of course, this is a rare case nowadays since almost every people in the Arena are boring MP tank to 1HKO hitters anyways, and you only see peeps who actually do combos are on spar areas, but they're also a rare case.
oblique sundial
I can combo, I choose not to because some dude will just oneshot me the second I drop
noble pelican
But of course, this is a rare case nowadays since almost every people in the Are...
Very true
Combos are so fun, but man. I feel bad ‘cause of all the noise my keyboard makes
mystic elbow
I can combo, I choose not to because some dude will just oneshot me the second I...
Same
😐
versed knot
Dude I sure wish my character can combo
mystic elbow
Heheh spar ppl r funny
They use to see ravens do zzxx ^x rinse repeat and say the player is fancy
But if mr larry (bol) were to do zzzx rinse repeat he’d probably get kicked
versed knot
That's why I never join em * ^*b
abstract yacht
if they rebalanced the mp gains on mini gun, she could work without it
but also because mp drain would still exist even if changed, it'd just make PO a lot worse to deal with
noble pelican
Y’all don’t use the in-game recording program, right?
My game gets so bad when I use it 🥲
willow mural
the in game recording is so bad
still stuck in 2007 💀
i remember the video i made with it
the original file was huge 🤮
it was an avi file
signal wagon
in-game recorder have 0 issue with good pc, but it drops frame HARD with a toaster for some reason
there's no between lol
willow mural
tbh i still wouldnt use it
just get like obs or something
or use the built in recorder for windows so you dont have to deal with the dinosaur file type
empty ore
it was an avi file
That okay!! We still lubs you X3
noble pelican
Didn’t realize avi files are old. I’m just here like, “default means it’s acceptable”
Should’ve known ‘cause Elsword itself is pretty old
noble pelican
or use the built in recorder for windows so you dont have to deal with the dinos...
I used it before, but having the windows overlay would actually cause internet issues for me
Or like…I remember people escaping my combos back when I left the overlay on
mystic elbow
Y’all don’t use the in-game recording program, right?
i use shadowplay
knotty kraken
They use to see ravens do zzxx ^x rinse repeat and say the player is fancy
same people who consider ara's ^x loop a 'fancy' combo
glass echo
That's like the most barebones thing any Ara could do 💀
But vx?
Now that's fancy
🤡
willow mural
TO THAT MTM I JUST BEAT IM SORRY
IK THAT WAS DIRTY AS HELL 😭
I HATE REVENANT IDK HOW TO COUNTER WITH DEM 😡
celest ore
the ingame recorder is borderline unusable i would recommend no1 use it unless for memes 💀
i would rather use fraps fr
abstract yacht
it was an avi file
This is a bug
Idk why it happens but it just happens
it happened to me before Laby released
which was annoying cuz I recorded a hacking MtM with the ingame recorder at that time
but file was literally 2gb size
2 MINUTES VIDEO
so I couldnt upload it to YT without waiting HOURS of upload
and had to tell the customer support a big ol' "source: trust me" (they did thankfully)
but when Laby was released I redownloaded the game see if it would fix it cuz srsly I wanted to record Laby stuff
it actually fixed it
ingame recording files were no longer dumb heavy
willow mural
what a strange bug
abstract yacht
btw, recording options werent changed nor before nor after redownload (I never bothered with it cuz I dont understand the options lmao not a tech guy)
knotty kraken
basically the only one that worth using is MP4V
knotty kraken
me using obs
knotty kraken
<3<3
abstract yacht
I downloaded obs
didnt understand crap for a whole 10 minutes
gave up
closed it
kept using bandicam L M A O
willow mural
@lavish socket gg btw
i just watched a tutorial
skipped to like the middle cuz all of these videos for some reason feel the need to have 5 minutes of intro
knotty kraken
so i cant even get MPEG/MJPG to work on my video player
ARGB is laggy for some reason
VV12 and MP4V are your best bet for ingame recording
noble pelican
These are good tips!
willow mural
why are they still so thicc
knotty kraken
MP4V was good with 9 seconds and 9MB
the other 2 were less than 10 seconds and around 500MB
this is the RGB24 video
blurry cause of the compression
celest ore
this is the RGB24 video
who put the video through the paper shredder
celest ore
why are they still so thicc
just super old codecs with like no semblance of good compression
probably the equivalent of just taking a screenshot every frame
knotty kraken
this is the shredded video size
they are all in Avi files for whatever reason
even the mp4v lol
abstract yacht
blurry cause of the compression
"blurry"
bro that looks like my TV when I was 5 years old 💀
knotty kraken
youtube VHS tapes be like
i recorded with RGB24 for 2 mins and got the file size to 15.7GB
celest ore
kog should prob deprecate the ingame recorder or remove some of the useless settings at least
itll never be good but cmon what is this
knotty kraken
ded again?
celest ore
im also pretty sure the ingame recorded records using your cpu on the same thread elswords running on
which is
i mean theres quite literally not a worse thing it could do
knotty kraken
me recording a cool elsword momentTM: 😎
my pc's cpu: 🔥 🔥 🔥
celest ore
☠️
willow mural
everything about this game is poorly optimized
celest ore
i know why kog still has it tho
so if they need to tell somebody to record in customer support they dont have to recommend smth 3rd party 💀
willow mural
I WAS SO CLOSE TO BEATING THIS GUYY
AND THEN THE GAMES DECIDES TO LAG
IM SO MAD LMAO
celest ore
😔
celest ore
LOL
willow mural
these lag spikes are so annoying theyre actually ruining the game for me 💀
celest ore
its frame lag or just internet?
willow mural
game will drop frames for like a minute or two and then come back
its not mmy internet
celest ore
oh
knotty kraken
its funny to watch
lavish socket
<@260271458163490827> gg btw
thx dude
willow mural
maybe its discord but idk
oh oh
quannix how do u set cpu priority to stuff
i read that that might help
celest ore
uhh i forgot lemme check 💀
lavish socket
even the mp4v lol
dude the best way to record something is thru ur CPU
celest ore
also ben you could try turning hardware acceleration in discord off but it prob wont do much idk
celest ore
🙏
willow mural
i wanna match up with that guy again
celest ore
if your discord starts lagging too much for you to handle just turn it back on
willow mural
that was a goo dmatch
celest ore
i wanna match up with that guy again
idk if you played back then but pvp used to have f8 to rematch request
it was cool
willow mural
lerne talks about how he wishes pvp was like it was in the past
idk what that was like but i want it so bad
celest ore
so many minor things have changed over the years its hard to pinpoint any one thing to mention to explain
its the same game but
different
willow mural
i want to get rid of this mp decrease meta tbh
i wouldnt even mind if they nerfed my mana gain
the thing i dont like the most about current pvp is that its who can gain enough mana to one shot
celest ore
its been a thing at points in the past but its really exaggerated now
willow mural
i was able to get to 28.7% before
willow mural
that shouldnt be possible
noble pelican
I want specializations back. Maybe reworked, but I just miss the fun builds
The nuke meta is rough
willow mural
its just not very fun
noble pelican
with giga mp gain + mp reduction + character with strength nuke
Elsword PVP summarized
willow mural
theres this person in q who keeps beating me
and its cuz im so easy to read 😭
ik i can beat them but im just not built like that
knotty kraken
i have 4.9% mp cost ;-;
celest ore
this is something i feel for both pvp and pve and a lot of people may disagree, thats fine,
i think the ability to stack loads of skill damage was a design mistake that dropped sometime around 2016-2017
knotty kraken
judgement time :)
mystic elbow
Rn mpr makes things a lot more fair imo but if they wanted to take mpr out of current meta they’d have to give a fixed amount on how much mp nukes cost + nerfing a lot of characters mp gain
celest ore
agree
willow mural
yeah i wouldnt mind that
nobody should be able to get enough mana to cast a skill that does 3/4 your hp in one skill
mystic elbow
I prefer nukes over drawn out matches but I get not everyone feels the same way
I dont think nukes are an issue in this game
Most classes have a skill to flat out avoid a nuke especially if its a bravery nuke
Nukes costing like 90mp for some characters is where the problem is
Some nukes do wayy too much dmg
But in general I believe part of being good at pvp is being able to avoid nukes and read your opponent
Obviously in 2s its harder to avoid nukes but in 1s the game mode is so linear that losing 1st n 2nd catch already has u on your way to losing the match
But yea mpr rn isnt rly an issue for me at least
I just couldnt imagine playing a bravery stack character without mpr
And having to fight characters that have command dmg on top of strength nukes
Or ones that have tenacity/active nukes
willow mural
i woildnt mind if some of those got nerfed
also pls give cat a way to reduce kd 😭
innocent is also pretty fun if i utilize sniper mode, but its still kinda clunk
willow mural
yknow how sometimes if u awk at the same time or both attack keach other at the same time
how come some people do it faster
ok i beat the person who was clapping me earlier
i knew i could do it, its just that im move too predictable
i was unpredictable this time >=]
ok no more pain
knotty kraken
i cant find it anywhere saying it cancels/freezes mb
and ive had plenty of people mb out during the latter half of the combo
abstract yacht
I want specializations back. Maybe reworked, but I just miss the fun builds
specialization showed why its bad to have "unique" stats
on one hand gauge inc and gauge red on elsword
on the other
an additional 25% mpr for chung and free healing chance on ara 💀
abstract yacht
for me
the best era of PvP was about 2018-2020
after they started nerfing stats on pvp to be 40% effective + wep enh pvp readjustment and before duelist addition
huge dmgs were visible but never a one shot, not from my experience save for very few exceptions that were added mid way like mod BP during 2018 new mod release but got tuned to stop one shotting few months right after
but those very few buttons aside, between this gap in time I never really saw a one shot like before (2016 and earlier) nor now (2021-2023)
even an apollyon only really did
at best, 60% of my HP and I only rly saw one CT do so, any other CT was like 40% or less which was tolerable value
there was some hiccups during reboot release (like a certain bugged sword skill and a web + active cough)
but after few months everything went back to tolerable levels again from my experience
then everything went down in a snap with duelist, I started seeing one shots once again
abstract yacht
FP casually having a base 37% mpr in pvp
Im kidding you not
before they nerfed ERP to only 40% effective on PvP, I managed to have shooting star on 96 mp cost.
not only that
this was also the time when they still didnt display a separate PvP value
so yay ~12k% dmg shooting star at the cost of a tenacity l m a o
Specialization was
the most
ridicule era I ever lived as an FP
knotty kraken
that setup with something like triple shot prob in the active mp range
abstract yacht
my erp was only 76 at that time too btw so I couldnt make full use of the 25% mpr erp (before it was nerfed to 20%)
mystic elbow
Idk bout that there was a huge gear wall in those times
abstract yacht
well, dunno
either I never met smn who gapped my gear by much and mind ya I didnt rly even have foj or vos at that time (legit was on void still when mr released)
but that was my experience in those times
mystic elbow
abstract yacht
which is odd cuz I've consistently reached SSS throughout those years
and never meeting smn who gaps my gear does sound odd
but ig never an impossibility
still, that was purely my experience and the era I've considered the best
mystic elbow
2018 was pre rigo which meant u had to be at least +9/+10 elrianode which isnt awful if u had money
abstract yacht
Uh
my elrianode was the biggest joke of gear Ive had through history 
abstract yacht
+8 elri and very mid tears lol
mystic elbow
Anyone who was geared or high rank in pvp had that
abstract yacht
I never got a 40% asd
btw
mystic elbow
Ok
abstract yacht
mystic elbow
2020 post rigo u definitely had to be 10/11 rigo
Everyone was insanely tanky
People were still being picky with Rosso
Which also had to be a +10/+11 weapon
Idk compared to then
Now is soooo much more fair 😭
You can be +9 duelist +9 foj and rocking ppl because everyone does so much dmg
And isnt stupid tanky
abstract yacht
I think I was still using elri in those times
at least for pvp
cuz I didnt find rigo useful for pvp
at least, not MY rigo (ceru) cuz it lacked aspd effect which I felt so horrible without
My matches didnt seem that rough still
idk, Im lucky finding ppl of my own gear lvl at high ranks I suppose??
mystic elbow
Idk?
Lol
Doesnt rly matter though
Looking at it realistically todays meta is much more fair
2018 may have been more fun
No laby, no 4ths and no noah
But in terms of gear today is definitely better
Im pretty sure 2020 still had oz running around terrorizing ppl with dark web
FL too was terrorizing ppl
Pre- hitstun/action speed patch
abstract yacht
well if everyone can one shot then ig sure thats more fair
when everyone is op then no one will be
-some guy in a black suit
but is still so ugh of a situation
like they said above
its just a race of who gets mp first
mystic elbow
Thats basically my logic yes
Everyone has the capability to one shot
Everyone does insane dmg
mystic elbow
Yea i believe thats where the problem starts at least
Esp when u have rena awking for mp
(Not op btw) - says a certain rena player
And u have aisha clocking mp
abstract yacht
not 120
ES casually slapping a ~1.7k% tenacity that btw is also a gale skill that always lands with crit and ignores guard effects: 💀
celest ore
💀
abstract yacht
and also refunds half the cost if you miss w h e e z e
mystic elbow
Id rather characters do dmg than no dmg
I hate drawn out matches that are caused by the person doing no dmg
celest ore
i mean cause of the refund
i often use critical dive as a bootleg teleport
cause it freeze people in place for surprisingly long too
abstract yacht
I just want pvp to like
yknow
actually feel like fighting smn
and see ppl who actually have an understanding of the game and character and not just
ooga booga I messed up but I can still flip it with my one shot hurrhurr
mystic elbow
Go play 2s 💀
Youre never gonna find that in 1s
Tho even in 2s some people know nothing of their char but I’d like to think its better than fighting DELAYED RV
celest ore
naked a ranks on their way to be more fun to fight than almost anyone else
knotty kraken
new pvp meta
take off your weapon
abstract yacht
I still say in terms of dmg, forcing a fixed eq (as a whole) would let them balance the dmgs better
no disparity of gear means they could actually check who underperforms or overperforms as a character in on itself and with pvp having its own modifier they can entirely dedicate patches to PvP alone revolving entirely on such fixed gear than them only looking at whales and entirely kill a character for every player who used the same class
but any other problem would still remain like mp burns, dumb infinites (ara ^X^X^X or Laby >>^Z) and such
so eh, whatever.
noble pelican
I hate drawn out matches that are caused by the person doing no dmg
Must’ve been annoying to fight me before I got the foj 😔
noble pelican
new pvp meta
take off your weapon
Did that in spar with someone. Those matches took so much longer
If gear wasn’t an issue, I can see Elsword being similar to regular fighting games
noble pelican
I still say in terms of dmg, forcing a fixed eq (as a whole) would let them bala...
Would be nice to see them take the time to fine-tune PVP
abstract yacht
would be nice indeed
but alas they dont care about pvp anymore 😔
buoyant folio
We should make them care about pvp 
mystic elbow
Must’ve been annoying to fight me before I got the foj 😔
It was fine
noble pelican
We should make them care about pvp <a:AA_Hamster_Knife:642728947812925471>
I second this!
empty ore
2018 was pre rigo which meant u had to be at least +9/+10 elrianode which isnt a...
or really lucky with blacksmith
buoyant folio
I second this!
wait are you that cosmo aisha I fought in pvp before 
oblique sundial
I HATE REVENANT IDK HOW TO COUNTER WITH DEM 😡
You don't
Either you time them our trying to avoid constant super armor that you have literally no way of countering
Or you die
empty ore
oof
While i never got a 7->10 7->9 was good enough
Until duelist came out I never +10 let alone +11'ed any armor set
noble pelican
wait are you that cosmo aisha I fought in pvp before <a:cat_gocrazy:962763198090...
Ye. Hello!
I’m the chkn
buoyant folio
noble pelican
wait are you that cosmo aisha I fought in pvp before <a:cat_gocrazy:962763198090...
Unless there’s another Aisha running around as a red chkn…
buoyant folio
Nay
noble pelican
Considering there’s better suits out there, I’d be super surprised
I enjoyed our matches, though! Good games
hollow hound
Oka.
mystic elbow
and im guessing they're queue 2s and 1s
noble pelican
You were p hard to fight so I won't lie, I did a bit of cheesing
It’s all good! Didn’t even realize you were cheesing anything
As long as I can combo, I’m content
buoyant folio
oh ic
empty ore
Another day another hacker
hollow hound
💀
mystic elbow
glass echo
As are many things
sacred niche
The fact that it's a CA, plus doing hacks, man... How far deep low can you get.
warm hornet
it makes me wonder if it's that easy to hack elsword.
sacred niche
Man, reminds me of a time I faced some Elboy who only hacked HP, MP and one skill on 0 cooldown which was Roll.
Bro went effin dark souls roly polys man.
lilac merlin
What is with CAs and just being downright rude in pvp!!
willow mural
did u win
willow mural
yeah just ignore them
ca is really priviliged
good super armor, can heal themselves constantly
i have no idea how to beat them as an, but i just let them do their own thing
charge as much mana as possible
lilac merlin
The heal is annoying
My only way of beating them was waiting them out, then they got mad 💀
real viper
at least they nerfed the v key healing down to 2 ticks
willow mural
they should take away healing in general
real viper
healing is fine to me
it only start becoming unfair when it's easily to abuse
buoyant folio
Real
But tbf healing has no place in pvp
nor do homing attacks
and 500 year long super armor commands/skills
willow mural
no more rev >>^xxx
still the corniest cmmd in the game
they nerfed adre but not rev
thats so confusing
real viper
most healing skills I know required absurd amount of cp scaling and in pvp, even with high cp it's barely meaningful with the mp cost you spent (that is if you somehow able to get that amount of cp in arena)
or a certain condition
I once underestimate SH's healing potential when I got her hp low (or I was barely remember about that passive at the time) and start tanking
by the time I look back, her hp went back up to half of the bar
but it's my fault so I don't blame 
there's also DA getting heal per 2 skills he use but I doubt it can get out of control cuz the amount of skill it have to spam for it (I think?)
abstract yacht
most healing skills I know required absurd amount of cp scaling and in pvp, even...
friendly reminder the first real healing skill made you absolutely immortal and infinite of mp
looks at release blatt blume
hollow hound
I find it funny that, when I was a CA, I was constantly harrased in pvp by salty people, no matter if I won or not. But when I jced back to CE I have never been whispered again.
mystic elbow
Interestingly enough I was whispered more as SH than I ever was as CA
mystic elbow
they nerfed adre but not rev
ADs didnt rly change anything ngl
She’s still unbeatable in neutral
Or rather you shouldnt be beating her in neutral as well as losing neutral on her
buoyant folio
Real
noble pelican
4th paths just get a lot of bad rep tbh
KOG gave them all the good stuff while old classes suffer
oblique sundial
he tried ig
glass echo
Yeah he tried his best 😏
abstract yacht
yeah they got 1 shots but the neutral is dog
at least Surya doesnt have an active that lasts for like a whole eternity
and possesses hitstun FOR AS LONG AS IT LASTS all the while she charges mana safely at the center of them 💀
oblique sundial
did better than he did when he didnt go for the oneshot ig
abstract yacht
where only a projectile char would be able to go through that
abstract yacht
thats just like iron body u can run away from that
abstract yacht
Surya gains nothing forr chasing you
Aisha gets rewarded for zoning herself from you 💀
mystic elbow
so u can use it as soon as someone gets up
oblique sundial
seems like you just hate aisha
oblique sundial
understandable but like la is dog lmao
mystic elbow
and get a catch of it
She's ok but rly shines in 2s
mod convert is just gonna win u any and all trades
abstract yacht
me playing a class who can outSA convert/ironbody for equal or less mana:
but honestly at least SU requires some resource to be doing that
if ur class is melee purely
LA can just start recharging mana by using that candy skill with less than 40mp
and she gains more than what she wastes by the time that skill is gone
mystic elbow
FP?
convert is a 30 mp skill
similar to normal convert it obviously takes your energy
but unlike normal
u dont need 6 energy
to gain SA
u get it automatically
which means w/ full energy she can have near perma SA
and she gets energy faster than any other ara
LA charging into melting point is like
her only gimmick
which wouldn't even work well against SU
abstract yacht
from what Im reading in wiki it does use energy for longer durration
if u wanna use it at base cost (30) thats only 4s
and uhhh
4s...
FP can still win that with the same cost of mana lol
mystic elbow
only 4 seconds that u can loop with full energy
he's not winning against a loop of SA
n i said it uses energy just like normal does, but u dont need energy to get the SA
while normal requires 6 energy to gain SA
mod is op bc it doesn't need the energy to gain SA
u gain it no matter what
abstract yacht
I have outshined Iron body
without much mp cost either
all thanks to a skill thatt lasts about 2.5s for literally no cost
and a CD of about 3.5s lol
funnier when headshot mod can be chained into it and is chargeable
mystic elbow
you're comparing 5-7 sec iron body to 4 sec loopable iron body
not to mention convert is cheaper than iron body
a skill that also has mp cost reduction as a trait
abstract yacht
I have a no cost spammable super armor
its essentially just about who drains who first
and FP still plays it safely in the trade cuz of mod trick shot and stun shot
mystic elbow
if we assumed that FP wasn't smart enough to back off
SU is winning the trade
y is she also possibly winning the trade?
cuz of this funny little button here too
steel body is normally kinda 
(not in a good way)
but it does help w/ winning trades sometimes
guarding charm also has mpr trait
abstract yacht
ngl I've had cases of thatt skill somehow missing at point blank
I'm down to fighting that skill lol
mystic elbow
yea cuz the skill is like
garbage
but when it works it works
but thats y I said possibly cuz the skill is iffy
n so are ppls connections 💀
noble pelican
LA and Suruya giving you the side eye.
LA, maybe. Suruya can at least fight back. LA’s there for her cute homunculus + mod melt point
empty ore
seems like you just hate aisha
Nono hes spot on about Aisha
its why no one likes fighting her
noble pelican
Same
😭
If I see LA, I’m automatically thinking you’re just getting your weekly fighters
empty ore
Sounds about right
Speaking of Aisha, please give me another jc so i can play around with AeS
noble pelican
Love jc tickets
buoyant folio
he tried ig
This guy derp dives too much
Annoys me personally cuz of how long the super armor is within it
oblique sundial
This guy derp dives too much <a:cat_gocrazy:962763198090580019>
i just move out of the way until they get frustrated enough to play the game normally
oblique sundial
inno can clock so maybe im just playing the right class
buoyant folio
Most likely
I can easily counter that cclass
Unless the raven
literally spams that 24/7
Skills got my back but that costs mana lol
oblique sundial
nah ill straight up time out raven mains
i feel nothing
raven, anyone running an mp drain build, and noahs tbh
willow mural
@buoyant folio after im done with henirs spar me
i wanna try out a cool move i saw
actually no i need to finish my art
mystic elbow
@willow mural
willow mural
that was so clean what they did
it was a dodge n slash platform convert
im stealing that
willow mural
ooh cool =D
abstract yacht
I find it hilarious how all aishas are mild in PvE save for LA but have some level of absurdity in PvP that makes them all a pain to deal with
AeS with a now uncancellable meditation with exceptionally low CD for what it does and a skill with the size of a skycraper that essentially allows her free dmg and mp regain with 0 risk
Oz with a nearly unapproachable command that can also win a trade even after dropping it due to bats moving so slow and a spammable black hole that doesnt even benefit you from being hit by cuz it drains a good chunk of the mp you were gaining due to curse
MtM with 3 pulling skills in which quite literally the strongest one is a 40mp active that contests nearly everything in the game because besides its thick hitbox is not just a pull but also lifts, taking you off the ground shortly which cancels a fair chunk of SA commands and force any dash attack/skill from reaching MtM
and LA having a wall of an active where she can safely regen mp against a lot of classes
definitely not impossible to win against and not the dumbest classes to exist
I just find funny the contrast of her pve being meh yet in PvP she just got these 1-3 tools that makes you question if bother fighting or vibe with your bg music
empty ore
Kog hates Aisha
sacred niche
Meanwhile Arme from the sister company game GC: First time?
dull forum
Gut Aisha pvp :3
oblique sundial
just make the staff functional and give her normal movement instead of a weird float
and while theyre at it make noah less boring lmao
air dash spam into zzzz loop very fun and interesting gameplay
empty ore
Noah had to be boring because laby broke the game too hard
Thats why he carries so little momentum
abstract yacht
yeah but remember
they gave CL a crescent swing the size of 4 platforms on release
as if Kog was saying: you thought we couldnt make a hitbox worse than Laby's?
solid socket
air dash spam into zzzz loop very fun and interesting gameplay
i feel like this kind of statement applies to a lot of classes in the game sadly
knotty kraken
silly man incoming >:)
hollow hound
https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750
Ahhh, yeah. I remember that crescent. I always suffered with that those days but nowadays I have not seen many Noahs in pvp, mostly NPs...
willow mural
silly man incoming >:)
what is that 💀
noble pelican
just make the staff functional and give her normal movement instead of a weird f...
I Love her float. I like being able to sike people out. Staff commands gotta change, though
Some are so 😭
noble pelican
yeah but remember
***they gave CL a crescent swing the size of 4 platforms on re...
I stayed outta PVP when Noah was released, but I remember seeing videos
Like, why even make it that big for PVE or PVP 🥲?
mystic elbow
Noah and Laby release traumatized me
I’ll never forget the Laby who was calling ppl 🫏 because they were losing 😭😭😭😭
hollow hound
🫏
abstract yacht
I stayed outta PVP when Noah was released, but I remember seeing videos
luckily that never reached NA
it got nerfed on KR and came to NA already nerfed
or at least I remember it like that
abstract yacht
I’ll never forget the Laby who was calling ppl 🫏 because they were losing 😭😭�...
Pulling effect Whirlwind kick
honestly the pull effect made for good combos, but yeah it was stupid to contest against during neutral.
and now cuz of it being op
with it nerfed you cant even properly combo into it now 😔 the skill is so wacky without the pull lmao
rich quail
Eh. Other characters have literally unusable skills, too. That flying pink thing will be fine.
abstract yacht
as smn who enjoys combos and considering the flexibility Laby has for such
I felt like she lost a lot of potential with that skill gone useless
empty ore
i feel like this kind of statement applies to a lot of classes in the game sadly
Reboots dumbed everyone down a notch
I remember seeing Ravens ZZ looping and that was cool because it required some effort
Now its just ZZXX^vX
every time
solid socket
LOL
honestly ravens doing that was one of the examples i was thinking of when i made that statement
empty ore
Noah combos are also meh. I play Nyx sometimes and doing zzzz over and over makes my brain smooth
Celestia kinda changes it up. But you can just XX loop till you horary.
Morb got birds, but he can also just XX loop into neverending night for infinite.
solid socket
Noah combos are also meh. I play Nyx sometimes and doing zzzz over and over make...
as a nyx main that's felt
i sometimes loop zzzz and xxzz just to spice it up because i get bored
hollow hound
Well, who needs combos when you can just charge mp and oneshot.
noble pelican
Well, who needs combos when you can just charge mp and oneshot.
Spar mains would like to have a word with you
sacred niche
I still remember the old Raven ZZ loop where it was supposedly ZZX<<>/>>< where it requires for you to cancel the X quickly with movement keys. Now they made it slightly easier where you can just do it ZZ + Movement keys w/o the X requirement, but it became leaky and unnecessary now on Raven's command kit.
abstract yacht
Reboots dumbed everyone down a notch
spamming commands everywhere became way less riskier so ppl go ham at it thanks to reboot speeding things up and have endlag end way earlier than the command animation does
so players dont feel the need to strategize when and where to throw commands
just go monke
smash that keyboard
👍
marsh plume
a lot of chars' optimal looping r boring if you enjoy movement
then again having your loop be somewhat optimal and allow you to have some movement freedom is more of a luxury/privilege nowadays
empty ore
@marsh plume I see you still stylin on BL in star rank
oblique sundial
i am once again asking for more map bans
im not going to get it so theres no point in asking
but im gonna ask
knotty kraken
all they need to do is move blizzard to team
oblique sundial
nah cuz then i gotta choose between cargo garpai and eternal winner
mystic elbow
Just lower the ceiling on eternal winner n that map becomes one of the best ones
real viper
S.Ar buff can be both safest and deadliest to yourself
Earlier I got 1 of the juiciest moment in pvp
A SU (won't mention the name) buffed S.Ar up and I started throwing x2 a.spear + spear burst
Bye bye hp
solid socket
The age old you enter super armor and Shakti unloads an entire night parade on you
knotty kraken
did that to a CC with kapow once
abstract yacht
for some reason mod burning punisher backfires on super armor
if u toss mod bp on a normal enemy
all cool
delayed then hit to death without being able to mb
toss it on an SA unit
they can move as soon as they get hit and even mb or use a skill to iframe the rest
ig cuz they get hit the game considers removing the delaay off them but cuz of the SA they cant be hitstunt???
but that is weird cuz it doesnt happen with other skills by that logic 
i also find weird that the delay also cuts off if you get hit by some random projectile from the opponent that was moving slowly or smth when you use mod bp
lets say you use mod bp and the opponent used haunting spirit at the same time
because you get hit by the haunt spirit after the mod bp animation is done, it cuts off the delay from the opponent and they can pre mb before the bullets shoot
eh?
oblique sundial
Just lower the ceiling on eternal winner n that map becomes one of the best ones
maybe but then you still gotta deal with dyb and fp cross mapping you with normals
clever sigil
idk if you played back then but pvp used to have f8 to rematch request
I want the rematch button back.
I dont care if i drop to F- rank. I want it back.
(And for queue sakes , sure put a limit of best of 3 at max)
celest ore
same
abstract yacht
I dont
I mean queuing and getting matched to the same guy happens almost everytime so rematching makes the same thing but faster
but
idk
to me it always felt like rematch was a mockery especially when the levels of each player were so clearly different
like I always felt bad rematching smn who I just beated with a sneeze
but they wanted the rematch and it was like
u h h h h h h h h
celest ore
go on
press f8 on gaff
Vaff
Phones go hard
I used to rematch fights that weren’t close sometimes if I think I see the ending
💀
buoyant folio
oh man
I completely forgot the rematch button exist
that was perfect for attempting to get revenge
LOL
glass echo
Totally forgot about that
buoyant folio
fr
noble pelican
If you can toggle accepting/rejecting rematches, I’d be up for bringing that back
More than likely, you’ll end up seeing each other again anyways
Especially when the queue is quiet
noble pelican
like I always felt bad rematching smn who I just beated with a sneeze
but they w...
That’d be an AP farm at that point
abstract yacht
That’d be an AP farm at that point
no cuzz they'd quit after the 2nd beating l m a o
oblique sundial
making ambush look fair and balanced tbh
oblique sundial
and restraint is a tenacity
mystic elbow
active > tenacity
oblique sundial
it only costs like 30 more mp
they really gotta make ara fall at a regular speed
oblique sundial
prophetess existing is just a sin ngl
oblique sundial
dont forget the infinite air camping
buoyant folio
Yeah
she doesn't even need to try to win
I'm guessing you'ev been fighting the same rena as I
oblique sundial
yes
buoyant folio
No matter what tactics I used
I couldn't win against her
I could camp
nah she would use arrows from a thousand miles away
I would run into her
oblique sundial
if i get close i can kill her
oblique sundial
but that involves getting close vs heavy hitstun cross map projectiles that can just turn into a super armor dive at any time
so lol
i lose and theres nothing i can do except pray she messes up something as basic as an input
buoyant folio
Also jesus
Are the servers laggy today
or is it just me
It's late at night, and tmobile towers are usually their peak speeds during the night
So there's no way I'm lagging rn
oblique sundial
i was lagging out earlier in a spar room but i was on my server tower so i just assumed someone was uploading something
sister and a school assignment or smth
if the game is being bad though lol kog moment ig
buoyant folio
Nah
everyone I fight
is having hardcore delay
which usually means that I would be the one lagging
But it's hard to believe since my connection has been constantly stable throughout this entire month
and it gets even better during the night
I've done speed tests and everything
Still in the +80~200 download and 25 upload speeds
Which
a game like lesword
Shouldn't require such heavy speeds regardless
Well
at least I won
revive titles are so toxic
oblique sundial
real
the other inno in queue almost cheesed me with it
still lost to them most of the time on account of them being a better player
damn though at least let me get one w :(
buoyant folio
god
I would do anything for kog to do a proper revamp
and put back focus on balancing pvp properly
without attaching stupid nerfs from pve into pvp
oblique sundial
i doubt theyre going to anytime soon
oblique sundial
and itd probably require making a few changes to some normals
oblique sundial
cuz like nukes are cool and all but damn i hate 2019+ character design
buoyant folio
Honestly
I'm probably going to suggest something insane
But I think each skill type should have a damage ceiling
oblique sundial
it gets really annoying trying to fight flying character number 15 when you dont have any way to knock them down
buoyant folio
it gets really annoying trying to fight flying character number 15 when you dont...
This too lol
oblique sundial
i honestly dont mind the oneshots
oblique sundial
rather die in 45 seconds than spend 5 minutes getting setplayed by an oz
buoyant folio
I could be getting someone down to 1% hp
and just because they decided to press a button
in a middle of a combo
they won
That's not what pvp should be lool
buoyant folio
rather die in 45 seconds than spend 5 minutes getting setplayed by an oz
Genuinely
kog could just add in a tighter timer in pvp
People love to run around and mess around tm imo
just get into the fight 
but i guess that could reinforce people to lower your HP and run until the timer ends, but it's impossible to avoid something like that
oblique sundial
i think the timer is fine honestly
buoyant folio
Unless they add in mechanics to reinforce behavior that forces people to stop running away constantly
oblique sundial
like i time out people with mp drain builds
if they make it 3 minutes or something damn i might as well time out everyone else while im at it
buoyant folio
But that's a very niche example to use for the timer
and generally mana burning should be deleted from the game
or completely nerfed
buoyant folio
So you're telling me mana burning adds in spice to the game?
oblique sundial
like unironically
buoyant folio
oblique sundial
wakeup in this game is god aweful
oblique sundial
no
mystic elbow
buoyant folio
No breaks allowed
keep working foo
Okay then
can I see your reason why mana burning should stay the way it does?
Because I see that build adding 0 value to pvp
aside from trolling
And let's be real, trolling I feel has no space in the game's pvp
Not unless it's practice mode or something silly
oblique sundial
infinites existing is plenty reason enough to leave mana breaking in the game
oblique sundial
wait
oblique sundial
OH
buoyant folio
LMAOOO
oblique sundial
OKAY THATS WHAT YALL MEANT BY NOT READING
buoyant folio
WHAT
oblique sundial
I READ MANA BREAKING
buoyant folio
to begin with
mana breaking
is
half-of the time a punishment for yourself
or a way out
because some CLASSES are so spoiled with lingering skills
that last an entire Earth lifetime
and/or you get sucked in immediately
Without a choice
and then we got escape skills
oblique sundial
giant lingering ball of garbage that also succs
buoyant folio
but by gods do I hate escape skills
buoyant folio
yeah lol
meanwhile
my character has 3 suction skills
but they all DROP most of the time
oblique sundial
inno has one
buoyant folio
Void Impact, Neutron Bomb, and Dimension whatever
oblique sundial
but it feeds 900 mp and full awk
buoyant folio
void impact is such low mana usage
but man
75% of the time it'll drop
neutron bomb
does almost no damage
also there's a delay
can easily be escaped
Dimension whatever
void breaker idk what it's called
also.. doesn't do a lot of dmg
can easily be escaped too iirc
oblique sundial
meanwhile if i get on oz i just get to play an unskippable cutscene if i win first neutral
buoyant folio
ugh
this game's pvp destroys my braincells
Like I spent a lot of time practicing
and improving my skill w my main since 2014
and then you just get some dude who joined 5 hours ago beating me with DA
lmao
I love this game™️ help me
oblique sundial
i play oz for the sake of farming ap
buoyant folio
I play MP for depression
buoyant folio
real
it does have that 20% hitbox extension trait or whatever
enhancement
but it's also easy skill to cancel
just jump out of it quickly
use a stun skill
or use a skill that is longer than it
a skill with so many weaknesses for no reason
real viper
Tfw HSS doesn't KO opponent
real viper
hollow hound
prophetess existing is just a sin ngl
Finally, someone who understand my struggle.
hollow hound
lmao
2023 Elsword PVP Summary:
Player 1: Actually doing great combos and combinations
Player 2: Manabreaks with 1% of HP and 300 MP
Player 1: Calculates how to catch Player 2 again
Player 2: Get near Player 1, press awakening key then press skill buttom
Player 1: Gets oneshot and dies
Player 2: Ez win Summon flag
mystic elbow
we are having completely diff matches huh 💀
mystic elbow
they usually use shockwave for me
real viper
well in here, apparently they sometimes HSS instead
mystic elbow
like
the HSS can get eclipse/fss shielded and now u just fed the other person a full bar of mp
real viper
||mama mia the tide turned, you are ded cuz my mp bar is full||
real viper
rly
mystic elbow
yea
real viper
real viper
but escape skill can't
mystic elbow
300mp skill vs 200mp
it can also get heavily clashed
so yeah I'd just not use it 😭
would rather use shockwave if I was ever held at gunpoint to play raven
real viper
but I mean...
probably just low rank prefer using HSS instead
mystic elbow
i mean sure
im just the type that doesn't like using nukes like that unless
i knew it'd kill
cuz getting reversaled for smth not killing is cringe
mystic elbow
the only thing HSS has over shockwave is that it can't be mb'd
but the risks outweigh the benefits imo
eclipse, it not killing, and getting clashed
all those can obviously still happen with shockwave
but if we say the FB has full bar of MP
and he uses HSS and one of those things happen
he's out 300mp
if he uses shockwave and one of those happen
he's out 200mp
and is able to just use shockwave again a little later if he wanted to
mystic elbow
real viper
my point is that I find it funny when they use HSS but it didn't KO
which usually end up a reverse tide against them
don't you think?
knotty kraken
HSS would def be better used in 2s
celest ore
my point is that I find it funny when they use HSS but it didn't KO
raven proceeds to eat two penetrating bullets
i wish es had a real nuke fr
when i get too much mp as es i just become unbelievably annoying
which is fun in its own way
knotty kraken
its sad when triple is considered a nuke
well maybe not a nuke
best damage button
celest ore
triple IS a nuke but it doesn’t work consistently at all
the damage comes from people getting knocked up into the hitbox continuously
basically gg lag
real viper
isn't ES often use D.Blade as nuke instead?
or Jug.Buster?
celest ore
juggernaut buster is many things but its not a nuke
mystic elbow
for the exact same reasons I put
real viper
but yes I don't often see ES using skills to nuke
mystic elbow
yea but with the way 2s works u rly don't want to use skills with too much risk
celest ore
we mainly use juggernaut cause like
its just a comically broken hitbox
celest ore
you press it and people get sucked right into it and you can easily follow up
celest ore
but yes I don't often see ES using skills to nuke
honestly most of our damage comes from critical dive skills wise
well, most es players anyway
real viper
honestly most of our damage comes from critical dive skills wise
yes I know, I was saying a fact
hench why ES commonly found using shadow decent + wind IV (I think?)
knotty kraken
hmmm so i found something
the recent change to unmod super laby bomb
where it does damage while not moving
doesnt apply to pvp
it still uses the past way where it only starts to deal damage while moving
abstract yacht
the HSS can get eclipse/fss shielded and now u just fed the other person a full ...
me always having Undying flame on: imagine.
abstract yacht
nah you can't clock cuz heavy flinch prevent
err
u can actually clock mod BP mid way
knotty kraken
i do this with but with charged galaxy
mystic elbow
me always having Undying flame on: imagine.
What does undying have to do with it 😭
noble pelican
What does undying have to do with it 😭
I was thinking that Undying kills people after their eclipse/revive proc
I like to carry it for that reason…but also speed
mystic elbow
It does but thats not what i was talking about
Eclipse and freed shadow have shields that give u like 99% dmg red
So it makes u take like no dmg
If FB used HSS and the shield procs
U would basically keep all your HP and also be fed mana
noble pelican
That’d be great
I can see now how undying wouldn’t really mean much in the scenario
mystic elbow
Ye
noble pelican
I need to pvp again. I am very rusty
I will constantly complain about this: I wish they’d change Lowe in the training room
Or at least add the other characters’ models considering some fall differently from each other
knotty kraken
lowe is too small
celest ore
i dont think theres any character in the game thats quite like lowe
could just be the lack of latency though idk
lowe is very different from players
warm hornet
it's both.
noble pelican
In a perfect, connected world, PVP would be as smooth as training room
noble pelican
it's both.
I’ve been told this, and it’s probably why people advise just using sparring rooms w/ others to completely test combos
I just go straight to arena
abstract yacht
Lowe has..
a much higher knock back and knock up value than any other character
he gets pushed and knocked up way more than a normal player would
warm hornet
from my experience, lowe get's pushed when core lazer hits him. he get's pushed depending on what side he faces.
real viper
from my experience, lowe get's pushed when core lazer hits him. he get's pushed ...
he get pushed mostly when atked from behind
hollow hound
Ahhh, yes... that guy...
sacred niche
In the future, I just really wish they'd make a Force Active exclusive to PvP when activated, it reflects 100% damage back for (insert ''plausible" second/s here) to counter those 1 hit delete users tbh.
glass echo
While yes, I get that, I'd also wish it never existed
As I wish force actives never existed
oblique sundial
nah
oblique sundial
ignite is aids but obtene and accel are a necessity
oblique sundial
need my wakeup options
glass echo
Erp means nothing 😎
mystic elbow
1v1 me berthe raid
mystic elbow
IF ONLY (id rather play raven pvp)
knotty kraken
ignite is aids but obtene and accel are a necessity
smh i dont use any force skills
warm hornet
i can tank that at least once.
warm hornet
In the future, I just really wish they'd make a Force Active exclusive to PvP wh...
make it were the user unable to dash, attack, jump, and use skills (you can still walk). they would still get hit stunned while redirecting the damage for the duration. (i'd say 50% damage dealt would be mitigated and reflected to the dealer be good enough.)
tier 1 would be 1.5 seconds of mitigating 20% of damage taken and reflected to the opponent and 2 seconds of very limited movement/actions.
teir 2 would be 35% 2 seconds and 2.5 seconds of debuff.
teir 3 would be 50% with 2.5 seconds and 3 seconds of being debuffed.
and the last thing for it to not being exploitable is that it'll remove all of your active buffs when you activate it.
and the debuff you get from the force active can not be removed until the duration ends.
oblique sundial
smh i dont use any force skills
you play laby so its okay
warm hornet
the counter play is just minimize the amount of damage dealt during the duration as the dealer right?
mystic elbow
why punish people for putting in the work with their gear
just because their opponent doesn't want to
warm hornet
how about if the the person that uses the force active gets no MP gain in the duration and reduces knock down rate received when they ge the debuff.
mystic elbow
that didn't answer my question
why should there be a force that punishes ppl that put the work in for their gear
it doesn't matter if there's a drawback
the initial force active idea is a bit to me
abstract yacht
In the future, I just really wish they'd make a Force Active exclusive to PvP wh...
you'd still lose
because you die first from that interaction
warm hornet
^
abstract yacht
I also want to note that out of every reflector mechanic in the game that has existed
Obten and Elrian c a n bypass the reflected dmg.
and I wouldnt put it pass them to code it the same way for such force
so chars with delayed nuke can just elri or obten and still one shot u without taking such reflect
warm hornet
You can't use it like you use elrian clock.
Then it over all becomes a gimmick force active that majority of the players don't want.
:v
There will be a fat reflect icon on the user.
sacred niche
make it were the user unable to dash, attack, jump, and use skills (you can stil...
Hmm, this is actually okay though, but I guess still keep it on high damage reflect value: Tier 1: 50%, Tier 2: 80%, Tier 3: 100%
For the activation mechanic, probably would want it to be activated anytime even when an opponent uses special active or awaken timestops ~~at least it'll give no brainer ooga booga 1 hit deleters (insert tier second/s duration of active here.) ~~ some time to think before they do 1 hit deletes.
But I also realized that RH for example, can awaken (x) times depending on how many awaken beads they have and can closely bypass the duration and just wait to time it out before using their 1HKO.
celest ore
i mean i personally think forces and the game subsequently having to be balanced around them was a mistake in the first place
regardless of pvp or pve tbh
what is the actual gameplay purpose of having to swap head hunter aside from being awkward
real viper
Not sure how well that would work according to your plan but I can see it potentially used as an exploit for many other things
Mainly team fight or PvE
And if following by what you said, it's gonna be a force passive in order to work
oblique sundial
you could just read the oneshot
mystic elbow
you'd think right ...
most characters come with a skill that can either backstep with i-frame or simply clash the bravery
real viper
you could just read the oneshot
They're mostly mad about after trying so hard but still end up getting one shot
mystic elbow
with a tenacity
real viper
We all understand that frustration
celest ore
my problem with oneshots in the first place is
that video that started this whole conversation
press escape skill
mash nuke
never feels good
oblique sundial
i assume that thats what every rh player is going to do ngl
celest ore
i mean yeah that is what they do
mystic elbow
i assume every RH, LiB and OM
celest ore
LOL
mystic elbow
is gonna do exactly that
warm hornet
I go for those one shot reads. Half of the time, I avoid/survive those one shot 50% of the time.
(25% I'll lose the fight anyways)
oblique sundial
like i have 700k hp, im still gonna get oneshot if i dont try to read it
celest ore
yall have 700k?
mystic elbow
he's LuCiel
oblique sundial
luciel priv tbh
celest ore
lmao
oblique sundial
if i +11 all my stuff id probably be at like 800k
real viper
Still, some pepega socketed + specialize duelist and can get ~650k hp or more
My alt chars pretty much hopeless against them
mystic elbow
I had like 605k til I switched off MR acc
but thats bc im full mpr specialize on duelist
celest ore
mystic elbow
💀
mystic elbow
mood