pvp

[oblique sundial]

/w people with ez and free when you win and flag every game

Why play better when you can make everyone else play worse

[mystic elbow]

Theres actually a laby going around doing that rn

Actually they flag mid match n whisper u

[oblique sundial]

[fiery lion]

Woofles#2341 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mystic elbow]

[oblique sundial]

Didn't even get to read it lul

[mystic elbow]

[oblique sundial]

[mystic elbow]

I hope you get stuck in a never-ending cycle of quitting and playing elsword

[oblique sundial]

I still have not reinstalled

Unfortunately though I installed tekken and now I hate myself even more

[solid socket]

ive fought a laby that kept throwing down the banner even when i killed her but

i didnt get whispered

[lethal echo]

I get it's reset and all that but this is getting kind of ridiculous the sheer number of fake afkers

[oblique sundial]

Bro just don't get oneshot

Thought we've been over this

[lethal echo]

Even my main isn't have luck... keeps finding people deranking without Undying equipped so if I win, I gain stupid high%

Main is also extremely low D rank too

Although now I notice it, a lot of the fakers are in the same guild... and the same guild has people flaming in PvP

[mystic elbow]

Probably the same laby tbh

But my friend got whispered

[celest ore]

wym im the one who wants etw tips from you 😭

[plush adder]

thoughts on rekindled fire title?

[mystic elbow]

Its ok for trolling

I personally stopped using it because I felt slow and it’d feed mana

[marsh plume]

AD is just a 2023 Elsword character

Think of the environment that sorrounds her

[empty ore]

Feed

The fact that you have to get 3 buffs for the optimal effect is a real waste of time.

One of which requires you to be hit. So you better hope you get that effect last

Then you have 20s to try and do something with it.

The attacking fire proc also feeds too much. Easily 100+.

[abstract yacht]

is she the same as this

.

[solid socket]

yes, actually

LOOOOL

[abstract yacht]

[solid socket]

i was like "that banner looks familiar" and scrolled up when it happened to me

[abstract yacht]

yeah idk why she does it

[mystic elbow]

Ah yeah same Laby my friends dealt with

[knotty kraken]

i can try to help :)
what you need

[loud wadi]

flagging is fun

[mystic elbow]

Sure if you’re weird

[loud wadi]

it's only weird if you make it weird

[solid socket]

i flag my guildies when they die in abyss

if that counts

but pvp i dont rly flag

[oblique sundial]

lightning shower flag teleport away

:)

[echo tangle]

how do you go about playing AeS in pvp I am thinking of starting it with her

[empty ore]

Understand that you are 100% passsive. You do not need to engage first with the opponent for resources.

[echo tangle]

oh I wait for them to come to me while I charge mana

[empty ore]

Yes, but do keep in mind no one is just gonna let you charge

So move,

XZ em

Then once you have those resources, You can catch with chain fireball, Circle of Elements if they are being aggressive/ panic button.

XZ is your best friend in neutral. hard to for the enemy to punish and SA.

[echo tangle]

oh I see it being used a lot and what do I usually for a combo when I finally catch someone?

[empty ore]

X looping with >>ZZ(X).

Platforms you can >>vX sweep

[mystic elbow]

You’re basically just playing to bait

By charging and using meditation you force people to interact with you

Without you really having to interact with them

They will try to bait you into wasting mana so you’ll have to recognize when its a bait and when it’s them actually tryna attack

[loud wadi]

aes the s tier of the century

[sonic mortar]

tl;dr nuke AES

[heavy spear]

lightning shower makes me go 😦

[heavy spear]

i'm beginning to understand what you mean by this statement

[dull forum]

Stack copious amounts of mpr and start the game with 4 tenacities

[dull forum]

Adrestia

Is a 2023 character

2023 characters are designed to

Cover weaknesses old characters have

Eg. Genesis has air mobility while the other ELBOYS don't

Eg 2 adrestia super armor is rarted compared to the other 3

She's designed to be this

Unstoppable entry duelist

To win interactions

She wins most matchups against melees

And also has great matchups against ranged characters

I'd say she's like close to the perfect melee character

[heavy spear]

yeaaaaaah

i see what ya mean

she's so good that almost all of my wins feel undeserved with her

[dull forum]

In 2s if ur good at the character

U raw Superman

Like

Ur presence in the map is everywhere

[dull forum]

Yeah she's a Micky mouse character

[dull forum]

However u gotta se that unfortunately class disparity is VERY prevalent in Elsword

See*

Most of the 4ths are the broken characters in pvp

Only like neutral or bad 4ths are like opferung, overmind, surya, Morpheus is kinda meh in 2s

[loud wadi]

can i be a 2023 character

[solid socket]

Felt

Time for me to jc to and become a 2023 character

[mystic elbow]

I want to be a 2023 character too

A good one please….

[solid socket]

I just wanna be mo because he's cute... he just happens to be a 2023 character 😔

[quasi sphinx]

Is there any way to like.. get into pvp in this game, it feels a little daunting

[knotty kraken]

honestly just go for a match

get your first non bot win

and thats the start of your pvp main life

[quasi sphinx]

Any recommendations for how to like

I guess that’s More a character by character thing

Figuring out which commands are important, and what skills work best

[knotty kraken]

well the commands are whatever give the most SA and pressure (good range/low commitment)

and most characters skill bar will be actives and tenacities

skills you can throw out fast with little mp

and then your nukes

[quasi sphinx]

Is OM any good at all in the current pvp scene?

[knotty kraken]

Cassian (or any add mains here) could probably answer it better than me but to me he isnt the worst choice

mid commands but lots of utility in skills

[quasi sphinx]

I see

I’ll try to figure it out !

[mystic elbow]

Im not an add main

I just like the color

[mystic elbow]

OM is the worst add

DoM and DB are the really good ones

MP is just okay

[quasi sphinx]

Oh man

No overmindillion wins on OM for me then

[mystic elbow]

Thats not to say you cant win on OM

[quasi sphinx]

Overmindillion wins are back on the table

[mystic elbow]

You just have to play to nuke

[quasi sphinx]

With defib right?

[mystic elbow]

Yeah

[abstract yacht]

OM can be annoying at best

[quasi sphinx]

Any recommended classes for a new pvp player?

[mystic elbow]

Depends on what you want out a class

You play Add yes?

[quasi sphinx]

He’s my favorite

[mystic elbow]

Its good to stick to what you already know

[quasi sphinx]

I have an MC dom and om

[fiery lion]

BELIEVE4LEAVES#1663 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mystic elbow]

So for Add I’d personally play Dominator

Oop

[quasi sphinx]

What did I even say

[mystic elbow]

DB is just as boring as OM

Idk

[quasi sphinx]

I tried to say ‘not that mc matters in pvp ‘

Maybe evil curse word typo

[mystic elbow]

MC does matter in pvp

MC gives access to better stats

[quasi sphinx]

Is it because of master artifact

[mystic elbow]

And stats are just as important in pvp as pve

[quasi sphinx]

That brings my next question to mind

Pvp erp? I know it’s different, but what is it prioritizing

[mystic elbow]

Yeah the artifacts and having a 3rd passive slot

So in erp you want to do MP cost -> HP -> ERP -> Max MP

And if you have anything left over then probably Skill Cooldown

In terms of actual stats

You’ll want 120+ Action,Movement, and Jump Speed

600k or more HP

40% or more dmg red

Would it help for me to try to get an Add player here to show you their gear?

[quasi sphinx]

It might I’d appreciate it

[abstract yacht]

me with element resistance erp:

[mystic elbow]

Its all about whats a priority to you

For me personally, defense stats were more important because I can play fine without MPR

Uh hm. Okay @quasi sphinx Do you want to join the pvp discord

You can get better help there

They might be a little rude depending on who you’re talking to but someone will be able to answer in better detail than I can

[quasi sphinx]

yes ill join it

it sounds useful

most pvp scenes are a little pissy and mean thats just the result of a competitive environment

[echo tangle]

ooh I didn't know there was a pvp server

[mystic elbow]

I’ll dm it

[empty ore]

You watch pvp videos of the character you want to play

[mystic elbow]

Just once again, fair warning, they can be unnecessarily rude

Don’t take it to heart

[sonic mortar]

Ok you can be opferung

[sonic mortar]

I've only seen geared OMs do good

Good pilots can work him well but it's basically like playing base add

[mystic elbow]

[sonic mortar]

He's not terrible in 1s

[mystic elbow]

M’not rly interested in playing a character I can only play in 1s

[abstract yacht]

hm yes, PvP players in a nutshell

[mystic elbow]

You’re not excused from my statement

Neither am I though

[abstract yacht]

we're in this hell together

[mystic elbow]

Im only rude to idiots

Or the purposely mentally impaired

[loud wadi]

OM...

hes not horrible but hes not good either

[solid socket]

pvp is scary 😔

I can't pvp for long otherwise I become the rude one

[mystic elbow]

Pvp isnt what makes me rude

Ignorance is

[heavy spear]

pvp brings out the worst in people :^)

if azoth isn't as strong as the other aishas, is she still good by herself?

[mystic elbow]

Shes pretty ok

[mystic elbow]

Forgot to add that for me personally

Her only downfall is she’s the most boring character in the game

[oblique sundial]

shes fun in pve at least

[loud wadi]

LA is pretty good in 2s

at least from what I've seen

[oblique sundial]

1s she's just base aisha with melting point and ^x

Boring as hell

[bright echo]

Hello, I have a question, what equipment would be strong for pvp? Is the base pvp set good?

[echo tangle]

sparring equipment/armor is good yeah

[bright echo]

Is there no other equipment superior to that?

[echo tangle]

don't think so

I think some people use 2 pieces of some rigo armor set that can be used in pvp

tho I'm not sure if its strictly better than just using the sparring set

so I'd just use the full sparring gear

[bright echo]

I get it, and should I improve it to the max? What stats should I put on each piece? And what should I prioritize when it comes to magic stones? Sorry if there are a lot of questions, I really want to improve in that area xD...

[echo tangle]

the equipment already comes +9 I wouldn't enhance unless you're prepared for when it breaks

or have a scroll

for stats HP, red damage, speeds, mp cost reduction are what you want

[bright echo]

And does crit damage look good in orange?

[marsh plume]

the most effective armor you can get is duelist/current sparring

violet rigo is good also but you'd need to reforge to a point where it's not worth it

[abstract yacht]

effects are few that are relevant

Orange:
Command dmg if your class is one that purely does dmg out of cmds and has no good skills
All skill damage if your class' cmd sucks but has nuking skills
Critical Damage if your class can do dmg with both skills and cmd

Blue:
MP cost decrease

Red:
whichever is your nuke skill

[dull forum]

My bad bro

[mystic elbow]

as long as yall know 😩

[dull forum]

Bro to be honest

Whenever someone posts questions

I troll

Mans be like, critical damage or asd for duelist

I say mag %

[dull forum]

Regen enough mineral

[mystic elbow]

I mean idm trollin at all

its all in good fun

[loud wadi]

if you aren't doing flat attack then are you really building right

[dull forum]

Add dng

DMG**

🥶

[loud wadi]

me personally i do attack spd

[dull forum]

The z$1 duelist set...

Have u seen it chen

[loud wadi]

yes 😭

[dull forum]

Man's has

A piece for everything

[loud wadi]

i thought mine was bad before i fixed but his is just

something else

[dull forum]

1hp 1 CDR 1 defense 1 mpr

Like boy WHAT THE EJLLLLLL

[loud wadi]

the 1% cdr but it's not really 1%

[dull forum]

I wonder how pvp would be

If they didn't nerf duelist

[loud wadi]

you see the state now?

[dull forum]

Yk like the unnerfed 16% max mpr u could get

[loud wadi]

imagine that nuclear bomb vs screaming babies

[dull forum]

Instead of today's 8%

[loud wadi]

that's basically what it'll be LOL

[dull forum]

Bro it would push build variety 😭

Everyone rocking 35% mor

Mpr***

[loud wadi]

ah yes i do love a below 100 mp deadly shot splashing on me mhm yep

[dull forum]

130mp swordfall

[loud wadi]

i think theoretically

below 70 mp moon shard

nvm we good let's do that

[dull forum]

If they did that u can put CDR into the mix

[loud wadi]

i already have

roughly 10% cdr if not 9%

now make lost child cd lower and we'll be onto something

[solid socket]

I need more mpr mines like 80mp ish atm

[loud wadi]

RF and/or MR combo

[solid socket]

Oooh gotcha, gotta wait a bit before I can invest that much but noted

I think I'm only at like 22% mpr tho

[loud wadi]

i have 30% without using those combos

[bright echo]

Ohhh Thanks so much!

[bright echo]

Gold information I usually vary too much between crit damage and skill damage, I thought I was making a mistake tyso much

[solid socket]

Should I join Noah tourney or should I continue to be scared

[abstract yacht]

join and then be scared

[mystic elbow]

Join for 500 kc

[echo tangle]

joined but I signed up on CL

[solid socket]

i dont have a mo if i joined itd be on my main

but idk if id even get far enough to get any kc

because im bad

[echo tangle]

same

I'm kinda too lazy to attend even tho I registered

[mystic elbow]

iirc u get banned from future tournaments for no-show

[echo tangle]

looks like i'll be attending!

[mystic elbow]

if u dont want to do it then drop out

I don't think u get banned if u let them know

[echo tangle]

oh how do you drop out is there a page you go to or do you need to message them personally

[mystic elbow]

you can probably message raiden

[willow mural]

should i upgrade indomitable will or get els aspiration for fl? 🤔

[abstract yacht]

not gonna lie

what is the purpose to el aspiration

why ppl actually take it

so slow
no dmg
easy to dodge

long CD
trash proc rate

[willow mural]

idk, i just see a bunch of ppl with it
like if i have low resources and it does proc

free catch

but i do see what u mean

[abstract yacht]

I've never been caught by one nor has it ever worked to zone my options either personally

[willow mural]

id rather have something thats a guarantee then rng

i already gotta deal with enuf of it as is

[mystic elbow]

Els Aspiration

Even if it doesn’t hit them, it applies pressure which is good for melee characters

[abstract yacht]

the many characters with thousands of aerial options be like:

[mystic elbow]

When it does hit them they’re forced to either mana break to avoid a potential catch and the chunking of their hp

If they were to get caught by it while having little mp or none it’s a good advantage for you

Also some will have to use up mp just to try to avoid it

[abstract yacht]

considering a lot of maps are decently sized

I never seen that thing work because so easy to outrun and maneuver around the big maps without being zoned

on wally rooftop ig it can do something

[mystic elbow]

Ok

[abstract yacht]

cuz map is so small

[mystic elbow]

Matches def go differently for me than you I see that now

[abstract yacht]

but also 180s CD

like assuming you manage to proc that early on thats like

2 procs at best per match if the match even lasts that long

[mystic elbow]

120

[abstract yacht]

My point still stands considerimg matches these days are over in like a minute

[mystic elbow]

Then why would the CD matter

[abstract yacht]

in the fact that it doesnt see light more than once

if u even manage to proc it in the first place

[mystic elbow]

That once can change the game pretty easily

[willow mural]

i hate revenant

[empty ore]

Its something that forces you to react. Its only a negative if it does not proc.

[oblique sundial]

rng option select

no reason not to have it, especially considering the less than stellar alternatives

[mystic elbow]

Thank yall

[abstract yacht]

if the way I react to it is the way I would've reacted anyway without it proc'ing then I dont see a threat
most of my cases its been procs while being combo'd
and my natural reaction is to mb and run away (cuz I suck at instantly picking fight after a kd)
if they proc it in a combo I mb and run away, not much difference

[willow mural]

holy cow

probably my longest combo to date

i did everything right wth 😭

[abstract yacht]

the fact that you didnt just instantly counter iron body with iron body

but used ZXXX's armor into dodge n slash THEN iron body

[willow mural]

Idk why i didn't use iron body but thats probably a good thing

She has to wait like 10s before she can use it again

[abstract yacht]

honestly it was a good play
popping an iron body instantly after someone else does it already gives you some advantage as theirs will end first
but that also means the enemy can catch you offguards with an extended super armor when theirs finishes to ocntest the extra short time you have (which BQ has)

popping it later makes it harder to contest

[abstract yacht]

does the total league show a compilation of all seasons into a single data or does it simply just show your best season?

I forgot

but it's nice to see that all my data in Total league are all positives

well, except for these
and rightfully so, I hate these 2 maps lol

[rich quail]

Yeah, it’s your total data from the day that character started PVP onward, while also recording your single highest rank.

[harsh parrot]

Tru

[dusk dock]

real

[willow mural]

YAAAAAY

[dusk dock]

@willow muralhello old friend

[willow mural]

hiiii

[dusk dock]

heyo tbh

[oblique sundial]

Chung

[dusk dock]

fake news

[charred pine]

Buff chung indeed

[mystic elbow]

No

[knotty kraken]

why doesnt groggy bring people out of SA

like 90% of the time

[abstract yacht]

heavily depends on the move.

some will some won't

coding, ig.

[knotty kraken]

dumg kog

[abstract yacht]

it's consistent.

so if you see it not working in one move
don't bother trying it again against the same move

[knotty kraken]

wouldnt have noticed that

[prisma surge]

My soul hurts

[knotty kraken]

hey kog wheres my one shot huh

[mystic elbow]

[knotty kraken]

everyone else gets one so why cant i

[mystic elbow]

bc you dont need it at all

n neither does the other laby

[knotty kraken]

yes but i want it

i can already chunk people with commands

but chunking with a skill is a whole different feeling

[mystic elbow]

pick a struggle

[abstract yacht]

play BlM
you will be able to chunk with commands and skills

but ppl will die so fast to your disgusting cmds that you won't feel satisfied by the skill one shot

[fiery lion]

chen#0009 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[loud wadi]

huh

weird

[loud wadi]

what i was tryna say was- im super late but join if you want

[mystic elbow]

Registration ended

[loud wadi]

shrug if they joined they joined if they didn't that's fine

[prisma surge]

I hate myself

[oblique sundial]

Good

[prisma surge]

I give up

[oblique sundial]

Equally as good

[loud wadi]

understandable

[empty ore]

Alright who hurt you, which one was it

[lethal echo]

One day I'll get this title... in the future at least when I am back in the mood of dipping lower and lower in PvP

[empty ore]

Get a friend, afk in 2v2 quie

[dusk dock]

^

I have the title.

It's very to fun to use when you are just deranking.

[prisma surge]

@empty ore I got rejected by a girl :/

It hurts. More than I thought it would.

I also have that title. Would use it if they buffed it a little.

Imo I think we need to update Titles in general.

[pale wigeon]

ive never seen this before

[sonic mortar]

Wait till you see me in queue

[abstract yacht]

aight guys

time to abandon PvP

genesis just got a chasing prey as a mod of his rushing tenacity skill

now both siblings can be just as equally obnoxious yaay

[loud wadi]

you'll be aight

[empty ore]

Whats crazy is that the range is bigger than Prey

[willow mural]

with 4th path, i can do a new synergy setup

• agile!

still no titan slayer >=T

[willow mural]

Thinking of going wind iv on my wep to synergize w oath of ruin

[solid socket]

@willow mural

finally got ss again and finished my guild quest i stop for now

[solid socket]

o also i think u can do
PR DaB AN FP CL TB
should give u blessing of spirit mag spec agile titan slayer and 2nd path which might be better since its kinda the same but ud trade fist fight for titan slayer but youd also gain the 2nd path asd

[willow mural]

i got work in 30 min so i gotta golol

ooooo

lemme jc my cent

[solid socket]

ggs on the matches too~

thats what i wanna do on my cl but i dont have pr fp or an mc

i have them all i just havent mced them 😔

[willow mural]

gbye pikachu

fun fact: my chung used tto be an fp before i jc him to cent

[solid socket]

goodbye cent u will be missed

i still dont have a cent but i got a fp hes just not mc

i needa stop being lazy with collection

[willow mural]

awesome! tysm!!

[solid socket]

yw~ :D

i was trying to figure out synergies for myself too and since we're both 2nd path mag itd work for u too

[willow mural]

i love wind iv

using it with oath is super fun

[willow mural]

omg...

oath + wing/infernal is a death sentence

[abstract yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440636785068998678/1101709415230492774/IMG_0871.gif

OH HEEEEEEEEEEELL N O

GS UNDISPUTED TOP 1 PVP 💀

[willow mural]

lmao

they better nerf that

chasing pray is still too broken too

and this is just that turned up to 100

[mystic elbow]

idk they can keep it for Aisha, Rena, Eve

and

thats it

[abstract yacht]

that thing has large X and Y range too not just Z

This just automatically gives GS the win

like its just as dumb as chasing prey

but with even MORE range
you're basically never out of his reach, run all you want
he's always gonna get you

neutral? whats that
press mod 11/10 skills

reaches even offscreen
you think you safe cuz he's nowhere near ur vision? nah
slap

[oblique sundial]

im glad i dont play this game

[loud wadi]

i think it's more of as long as he can see you

very dumb especially if he plays wide screen

[willow mural]

very dumb

hopefully they nerf that

[abstract yacht]

no, it has a fixed range like everything

https://youtu.be/yfmgQUYDQOI?t=60s
timestamped

[dull forum]

Just read jt

[celest ore]

DA oneshot jumpscare

[willow mural]

huh??

[mystic elbow]

LOOOOOOOOOOL

[abstract yacht]

It seems to you the game considered him dead for whatev' reason

but for him, his title proc'd

[mystic elbow]

I wanna see what happened on his screen

[empty ore]

I've had that happen before

super annoying

Also you have that map unbanned? God bless you.

[abstract yacht]

well
its more tolerable than Cargo Airship or the Winter map 💀

[willow mural]

why only 2 maps

silliness...

[mystic elbow]

I have cargo n tree bot banned

I can deal with blizzard ruins

[celest ore]

tree bottom and blizzard for me

[loud wadi]

blizzard is a goofy map so i like fighting on it

[abstract yacht]

it's 2 because it's also accounting for banned maps from your opponent

with only 10 maps available
if u meet an opponent who also has banned maps but not the same as yours, that's almost half the options banned

[dusk dock]

cargo banned? real

blizzard as well tbh

[heavy spear]

i banned garpai after fighting a minerva that was laggy to the point where i would see only 2-3 frames per second from her

it became clear that neither of us could combo each other so she camped at the top platform and tried to hit me with >>^xx whenever i approached

i won that match but it was the last straw

[celest ore]

elsword moment

the annoying part is that people who struggle with poor connection will naturally gravitate toward characters that work perfectly fine in lag

[knotty kraken]

im pretty sure that if i geared a CA and capped my framerate at 1 i could still win at least half the matches

[mystic elbow]

You don't even need to gear her up

[knotty kraken]

level 80 +0 SD gear youre so right

[loud wadi]

I've went into queue not knowing CA commands with spar weapon and won most of my matches

[abstract yacht]

?

I just went to a PvP, there's this FL who was deranking

had eclipse title on though

when I killed her she immediately died
where's the 3s invincibility from eclipse...?

[abstract yacht]

3 deaths I legitimately suck in 2v2s

my mindset works better when on my own

[mystic elbow]

you're also probably too squishy

or do no dmg

[abstract yacht]

no my dmg is fine

I just get really stupid

[mystic elbow]

idk about that

unless u have 11 foj or 11 vos its probably not fine

[abstract yacht]

I have a +11 vos.

if I recorded that you'd see by what I mean with I get really stupid

I did make a lot of mistakes and I'm aware of them

it's just I'm not really used to

having 2 enemies

[loud wadi]

2s is honestly having match awareness

knowing when to save your teammate

when to let your partner have the combo

etc

[abstract yacht]

I seriously hate oz.

[oblique sundial]

one of several reasons to not play this game!

[dusk dock]

real

[celest ore]

im giving away jellmatis again just ask overflowing my storage

[mystic elbow]

may I have

[celest ore]

yep ign?

should i mail you or trade

[mystic elbow]

Are you able to mail? I’m not online

IGN is Haiqu

[celest ore]

ye i can mail thats fine

i spammed your mailbox to death sorry

feel free to drop any other igns if you want more tho

[mystic elbow]

Thank you!

[celest ore]

👍

[abstract yacht]

goes into PvP
Does weeklies
About to remove certain accs as usual before changing eq page
checks duelist gear

was using my main's duelist armor
it's meant for FP
I'm currently a DA
my DA's duelist sitting in my inventory

[charred pine]

Remove that W Skill

Siege does its job better since it also reduces KD.

[abstract yacht]

why do you think I have both.

It's also not rly like I use it a lot but occasionally

I also dont rly see any better option
like, I already got all the actives w/ me
and in special actives..
I mean, brave cover ig but also kind of no, not much for 1v1 at least which is what I play most- or rather, what I play only
I was just going on a test in that 2v2 how I'd fare

and because 1v1 queue was ded.

[abstract yacht]

also little rant here
ngl DA's command gameplay is kind of very scuffed, I don't like it
having too much aspd can break some commands, but this is very notorious on DA
aspd from duelist set itself + 15% permanent multiplicative aspd out of DA's passive already kills few of my commands and it's annoying
add to that another 15% from GoE and then a lot of cmds straight up stop working
w h y
why KoG

[mystic elbow]

Use like

BnW instead maybe?

[abstract yacht]

implying I have it

[mystic elbow]

You have 11 VoS and not BnW?

as DA?

[abstract yacht]

I literally

became DA

with this JC

[mystic elbow]

Oh yes I definitely knew

You should go get it though it'll be

pretty easy

as DA

[abstract yacht]

I mean I've shown and said b4 I'm FP

[mystic elbow]

You could've bought jc or something geesus stop.

[abstract yacht]

nah I dont cash
I cant even cash

[charred pine]

No like u just need 1 or the other. Preferably siege. Ya can replace that skill with atonement or dread chase.

[abstract yacht]

.

Dread Chase is a CeT skill

Atonement freeze is very short by itself not including that ppl have 500 water res

[mystic elbow]

some DAs figured out how to work with it

even with the shortness

idk any of the skill names tho so I'd prolly have to ask my fren

[abstract yacht]

I dont feel like using glory legacy to make atonement last longer

because both are 100mp

if I got mana to toss both glory and atonement
then I rather toss riveret crest which is 240mp

and a nuke skill

and not feeling like switching to shadow descent just for this either

[mystic elbow]

u dont need descent

[empty ore]

Maybe he meant shine chase?

Idk DA skills

[abstract yacht]

I still dont see it worth use
200 mp for 1.9k% and easily mb-able
over 240mp riveret crest 3.9k% one single hit with the size of a nuclear bomb and also lingering hitbox

[dull forum]

Skulfly

You can do unbreakable loop with atonement

And scare chase/glory legacy

[abstract yacht]

sounds like a lot of work over just doing ZZZX into nuke skill

[dull forum]

@tightpanties this is your playerbase?

[abstract yacht]

Idk who that is
ping didnt even work
but I dont associate with anyone or anything.

[mystic elbow]

dont u get mp while doing the loop for your nuke anyway

the unbreakable one

[empty ore]

Dont talk about Liberate Crest

(I call it that cause korean phonetics make it sound like such)

[visual horizon]

How do I fight Adrestia lol

I've never faced her in PvP before and now I keep running into the same one over and over and.

Ow.

Quest: "Challenge of a Champion" win 6 PvP matches
Adrestia: No.

[oblique sundial]

Simple

You also play adrestia

[visual horizon]

Woah, wait. Why does everyone I fight have a VoS...?

Is VoS in PvP just the new standard??

????????????????????????????????????

[mystic elbow]

Yeah

They gave out a free VoS so just about everyone who was there for that event has one

[abstract yacht]

You dont

thats the most annoying part.

she can just spam dive and she's 24/7 safe with it.

and then if she catches you
1 or 2 ZZX and she already has like 100+ MP so even if u mb early
she already has mana to use chasing prey when u get up

[visual horizon]

Why does she have two different skills that can inflict Wound??

Me: I should play lots of PvP to figure out how Morpheus works against other players!
Adrestia and Dius Aer: Let us introduce ourselves.

[heavy spear]

oh i think you were facing me

Corsena

i'm not going to deny that adrestia's hideously strong but one thing you can try is to counter my superarmor with your own

see if you can predict where i'll be diving, and try to catch me there

i've been losing to a few eves that way today

[abstract yacht]

I've done that and they still dont get hitstunned somehow and can follow up with the diving stun active to counter the super armor back

[mystic elbow]

im sorry that just

doesnt work

in neutral

😭

[abstract yacht]

Only times I managed to counter is because of ppl who underrestimate hold-able super armors

where they think they caught me and do ZZX but I was still holding the armor so I just
hit back

[heavy spear]

yeah i feel like the reason i get caught most of the time is by being dumb and not protecting myself with all the stoic i have

there's not much you can do other than kite and hope for the best

what's vos and how do i get one? i'm using a type-void so my damage is feeling low (aside from ZZX which really should not be doing the amount of damage it does)

[mystic elbow]

Vestige of Soul weapon

You get it by running Berthe

[visual horizon]

Oh that was you?

To be fair you're not the only Adrestia (or Dius Aer) that I've met.

And honestly.

[oblique sundial]

tekken making me wanna reinstall this dumpster fire

[visual horizon]

Don't.

Also, is it just me or is Morpheus' super armour like... like, it takes relatively long to get into?

[charred pine]

Return to monke world

[visual horizon]

Celestia has >>^XZ and even LB has >>^ZX that can quickly coat themselves in Super Armour.

But all of Morpheus' SA commands only apply SA at like the very end of his combo save for like his XZZ, which is quite fast and doesn't last a while?

What do you guys say is his best source of sustainable SA, if any?

Morpheus has a lot of lingering projectiles that can catch, but that really doesn't do much in the face of SA that lasts longer than the time I migrated to EU so ?????????????????

What do.

[heavy spear]

i also die to a lot of big and/or lingering AoEs

if you have those then that's something you could try

[visual horizon]

I forgot how painful it is to fight IM.

At least I won though??

[echo tangle]

do it and teach me aisha pvp

[visual horizon]

Dude.

Why does one of Adrestia's command chains take out like a third of my HP.

[heavy spear]

that's ZZX and it does too much damage

[visual horizon]

Also I literally went from S rank to A rank and now I'm going down to B rank.

So.

Yeah.

Woohoo.

[heavy spear]

i have dropped into A three times today

[abstract yacht]

The only thing that annoys me of MO is the fact that he has an active that keeps a sphere hitbox around him for quite some time or until it impacts an enemy on the way kind of like CeT's siege shield
took me a while to understand what was randomly hitting me and it was that

[visual horizon]

It's also similar to NP's "Lost Child".

It's practically a carbon copy of it actually, just... better.

[oblique sundial]

charge mp -> use skill

[abstract yacht]

AD has some nice dmg buttons like thunderhead and Catharsis

but she mainly does dmg through commands cuz her values are absurd

[abstract yacht]

specifically: ZZX and >>^ZX

[visual horizon]

I'm getting my lunch handed to me over and over again.

[oblique sundial]

get better at dodging random bs!

[visual horizon]

Y'know what.

I don't wanna play PvP anymore.

LOL

[heavy spear]

what weapon are you using?

[visual horizon]

Void.

[heavy spear]

same

[echo tangle]

but im terrible at dodging

I'm not use to moving with Aisha

[oblique sundial]

then get better at it

[heavy spear]

i was wondering why you weren't doing much damage to me

[visual horizon]

I just don't know how to play PvP anymore I guess.

[echo tangle]

its like using tank controls

[abstract yacht]

You'll want to drop PvP when 4th path mods arrive

Genesis with the gigantic tracking chasing prey mod he'll get is ridiculous

[visual horizon]

throws Morpheus off a cliff

Dude I already want to drop PvP.

I'm legit taking beatings from Adrestia.

[oblique sundial]

please do its not worth your sanity

[visual horizon]

And Dius Aer.

...Mostly Adrestia atm though.

[echo tangle]

i already dropped pvp when i played CL

not risk the sanity

[visual horizon]

I used to main LB in PvP.

It was... something.

[heavy spear]

i dropped PvP when CrA lost access to Leap, Rushing Sword, etc

[abstract yacht]

Dius Aer is such a roller coaster of emotions

you can be beating the dude

but if you don't kill him he'll one shot you with a skill of the size of the map

[visual horizon]

Dius Aer makes me want to pick up Minerva again.

[oblique sundial]

DA pvp is only one emotion

rage

[echo tangle]

is DA the new top 1 of PvP 1v1s?

or is it still CA or one of the laby

[visual horizon]

Genuinely playing PvP with Minerva for me makes everything easy mode which is exactly why I don't want to play her so often, so that I'm not just getting free kills. But. Gods. Do DA and AD make me want to start PvP maining Minerva.

[abstract yacht]

DA is like
old case of CC

take a beating then beat back stronger

[visual horizon]

If I run into another Adrestia today I'm throwing my match tbh.

[heavy spear]

if it makes you feel any better

[abstract yacht]

main BlM

fight fire with fire

[heavy spear]

i'm being gatekept from S by this CE who i can't xdrop because the connection between us is terrible

[abstract yacht]

absurd dmg vs absurd dmg

[heavy spear]

best thing i can do is stoic and ZZX her summons down but she still outdamages me because i'm undergeared :^)

[oblique sundial]

AD is probably better than DA in a vacuum but DA is probably more aids to fight

[visual horizon]

BkM in PvP...

Chain Powder... Silver Bullets... ahaha...

[visual horizon]

At least you're close to moving up to S.

I'm actively being pushed down to B rank purely by losing to you LOL

[mystic elbow]

CA

[visual horizon]

(Also, C:Es gatekeeping S rank is a new one to me. Usually I hear C:U rankblocking)

(That... or just... any Chung)

[abstract yacht]

Chain Powder Silver Bullet and then XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

already take 70% of HP in 5 seconds

[visual horizon]

Dude what is it with C:U and being able to spam Illusion Thorns every other command attack.

[abstract yacht]

a m a z i n g

[visual horizon]

I genuinely want to know.

Like... how.

[abstract yacht]

its a tenacity

[mystic elbow]

She gets refunded the mp

if she hits u

with it

it's a very very cheap tenacity

[abstract yacht]

the stupid part about that skill is the fact

that the slow field can still proc her core

like
?????

[mystic elbow]

yeah it can basically proc her core twice

once if it already hits u

and again if u for some reason

awk in it

or stay too long in the field

[abstract yacht]

it's so stupid

[visual horizon]

Morpheus 🤝 Nyx Pieta
Animosity and Lost Child

Both of them are free approaches that are Active skills that maintain a spherical AoE around the character.

[mystic elbow]

Personally I prefer using her mod illusion thorns

[visual horizon]

The difference is that Animosity lasts longer, while Lost Child has Super Armour built into it.

Honestly I miss Nyx Pieta PvP.

[abstract yacht]

cuz more area?

[mystic elbow]

it has succ

doesnt feed

and more fun to use

[abstract yacht]

I never seen NPs use that skill

although to be fair I legit have only fought 1 NP these entire years

Zwui

who mainly spams aerial commands

[visual horizon]

I see NPs using it all the time, myself included back when I was an NP main.

[heavy spear]

finally back in S

[visual horizon]

Honestly Dance of Silent Night (the active with the spheres rising up from the ground) did disgusting damage for an Active skill from my memory.

Idk if I'm crazy or if people I fought just didn't have HP but I remember being surprised at the damage.

[visual horizon]

gz

I switched to PvE so I can finish levelling my new Divine Phanes.

And also because I want to avoid PvP lol

[mystic elbow]

eh i still enjoy pvp

until I get S rank even though I won all my matches..

[visual horizon]

I enjoy it too, though not when I keep running into the same person and I keep losing to them.

[mystic elbow]

well

why are u losing

[visual horizon]

Adrestia.

[mystic elbow]

that's not what I meant

I mean what happens in the match that is causing your loss

[visual horizon]

Dude, I legit don't know. I get caught in a combo once and then suddenly I hear the words "Red Prison" and I'm dead.

[mystic elbow]

You're not mbing?

[visual horizon]

With what mana??

I'm dead before I can even reach 100 MP??

And if I somehow manage to reach 100 MP and mana break, I just get caught again anyways??

????

[mystic elbow]

what's your hp and dmg red..

[visual horizon]

Not high enough.

Very clearly.

[mystic elbow]

can u

actually answer

[visual horizon]

The solution here is to just not get caught but ofc, I can't do that.

lemme switch to my mo rq I've been in the middle of running Behemoth.

Like we just took down Karis, give me a sec.

PvP gear? We dunno her.

Okay I'm immediately going back to my Divine Phanes because I genuinely.

Have nothing to change. Because there is nothing to change into. This is all I own.

[abstract yacht]

I feel this takes more into consideration your last rank rather than how many wins you get before getting a rank

[mystic elbow]

I didn't have a rank b4

[abstract yacht]

although you only need 1 match to regain rank after a season restarts if you did have a rank in the prior season

oh then that's normal

[mystic elbow]

and you have 466k HP and 21% red dmg

pls

get more

of both

because that's not sustainable at all

[abstract yacht]

I've never seen a 5 consecutive wins give SS ever before

[mystic elbow]

You need at least 600k

and 40% dmg red

[abstract yacht]

S is like the max u can get on a fresh PvP char as far as I'm aware

[mystic elbow]

well im SS now

so it doesn't rly matter anymore

[visual horizon]

I have the resources to get like. Neither.

[heavy spear]

huehueuh i'm undergeared too with 22% red

i need to gear up

[visual horizon]

Gelmatis? Arena Points?

I am short of both.

Btw Cassian, what Add do you main in Arena??

[mystic elbow]

Do you have Noah alts that also pvp

None

[visual horizon]

I'm like hyper curious because all I see nowadays is MPx.

[mystic elbow]

I just like the color

[visual horizon]

Then who—

[mystic elbow]

I'm an Ara main that's sub maining MtM

so im on MtM rn

[visual horizon]

...The way I thought you were actually Add.

[mystic elbow]

I'd

never

😭

Add is just not fun for me

[visual horizon]

I was gonna ask "have you ever played Overmind in PvP, what's he like"

[fiery lion]

Woofles#2341 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[visual horizon]

Add is like omega fun??

[mystic elbow]

brub

[echo tangle]

artifact armor is a nice way to boost red dmg

[abstract yacht]

everyone thinks Cassian is an add

[mystic elbow]

yeah artifact is a good way

[abstract yacht]

because man refuses to have its main color

[mystic elbow]

Orange is ugly

[visual horizon]

Please turn Orange.

[echo tangle]

its ok I play Aisha because i like the color purple

[mystic elbow]

N MR accessories are good for getting more HP

[visual horizon]

I'm trying to find an emoji from this server that's equivalent to "omegalul".

[mystic elbow]

I think the highest roll u can get on MR acc is 11k HP?

there u go

[visual horizon]

That's not.

From this server.

[mystic elbow]

[echo tangle]

[mystic elbow]

does it have to be

[visual horizon]

I said "emoji from this server"
"equivalent to"

Yes, I'm broke.

[mystic elbow]

[visual horizon]

Nitro? We dunno her.

[mystic elbow]

That's ok im also broke

that's why

I have nitro classic

n not the better one

[visual horizon]

I'm too broke even for Nitro Classic.

[abstract yacht]

[visual horizon]

We are not the same.

[mystic elbow]

I play Ara cuz I like her combo potential

X sweeping

is fun

But Aisha is fun rn cuz I like bonking

annddd SS queue is dead

[abstract yacht]

Nice combo potential but then you see 99% of the aras just spam X ........ X ......... X.......... X ......... X ^X^X^X^X X.... X....

[echo tangle]

it is fun

[abstract yacht]

[mystic elbow]

I'm the 1%

[echo tangle]

I'm exposed in arena

[mystic elbow]

who does not do that

[echo tangle]

I can't spam teleport like i can in pve so I'm forced to learn... movement!

[abstract yacht]

but I get ya, kinda the same reason I love Laby who has a dumb amount of combo potentials

but then everyone who plays her is just like, oonga boonga

[mystic elbow]

Plus I've been seeing more and more Ara's do more

I'm sorry but atp

Laby combos

don't impress me

[oblique sundial]

just v step

people fear the aisha that moves like an s2 raven

[echo tangle]

that sounds SCARY LOL

imagine fighting an aisha thinking she's going to teleport but then she v steps everywhere and catches you with a ^z

[oblique sundial]

i suck at it so i just circle step

[echo tangle]

hoenstly

I want to learn to v step on aisha

ill practice

[oblique sundial]

just remember to stop hitting one button before you hti the next one

[mystic elbow]

I can't v step fast at all

[abstract yacht]

I don't V step I just fly DA moment

[oblique sundial]

cool

[heavy spear]

well that's enough pvp for today

just got back to where i started at like 40% into S

[visual horizon]

Me like 20 minutes ago lol

Playing DA in PvE makes me really curious how to play him in PvP.

Like, I can't wait to become 3rd Job.

[abstract yacht]

uhhh

random bull[redacted] go

he doesn't have much of good commands, he just have tools to impose dominance

[heavy spear]

well when i fight them they mostly use their big lingering AoEs

[abstract yacht]

like, >>ZX is not that amazing of a command

but

it has super armor, so it kinda impose some authority that the other opponent has to respect

unless they know how to counter it

so , other than that he kinda just toss random stuffs and pray something hits

[mystic elbow]

Yay after 600 clicks

[abstract yacht]

^XZ bubble ball doesn't even travel that far and it moves so slow, but it's a lingering hitbox so it makes opponents not want to get near you while that thing is there
His chasing game is not strong he just has things that make you reconsider approaching him

[mystic elbow]

I finally got one MPR slot to go up by .05

[abstract yacht]

getting 2nd best value:
skipping from a low value to max:

having 2nd best value honestly sucks, cuz then you know you'll take an eternity upping that thing LOL

[oblique sundial]

aight time to reinstall this

"game"

[visual horizon]

Please don't.

Save yourself the headache.

[mystic elbow]

Nah reinstall

I need someone to hate crime

[oblique sundial]

invent a slur thats specific to me and only me

[visual horizon]

Okay Teleporting Aisha.

[mystic elbow]

They play LuCiel

[oblique sundial]

sir

[visual horizon]

Oh.

[oblique sundial]

or maam

[visual horizon]

Wait was that Mocaff.

Who was talking about not V-stepping.

[mystic elbow]

Mocaff is Aisha

[visual horizon]

L O O K

[visual horizon]

Please wear the colours of the characters you play.

[oblique sundial]

oh sick i got on right on time

12th anniversary promotion cube

or whatever it is

free ib set lul

[visual horizon]

Isn't it a free Promo costume.

[oblique sundial]

if it is im gonna mald

[mystic elbow]

Nty

Orange is ugly

[visual horizon]

Isn't it a free perma promo costume??

[heavy spear]

yea but it has no stats

[visual horizon]

Is it wardrobable?

[heavy spear]

i probably have a lot of PvEing to do before i can get to the point where i get a vos

and yes, i'm wearing mine rn

[visual horizon]

All I needed to hear lol

[mystic elbow]

If you can get to 1.425m CP

then u can do berthe

[visual horizon]

I'm only PvEing long enough to figure out how the new 4th Paths work. I'm going back to EU once MO releases in EU.

Bro even if I keep losing in PvP with him. MO is genuinely so fun.

He just throws dark spheres everywhere.

And also. Birds.

[heavy spear]

i'm at the end of varinmyr / beginning of rigomor, master road

[mystic elbow]

I just

made a DA

[heavy spear]

don't even know if there's any other weapon i should work towards after void / before vos

[mystic elbow]

rq

I'm so dead

[visual horizon]

The FoJ?

[mystic elbow]

Nah u can skip FoJ

[mystic elbow]

What's your highest CP

[heavy spear]

328k

[visual horizon]

You want them to go to Berthe with a Void weapon?

[fiery lion]

Woofles#2341 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[visual horizon]

At 328k?

[mystic elbow]

oh

[heavy spear]

see that just sounds like such a bad idea

[mystic elbow]

They can

if they can get to 1.425m CP

they can skip FoJ

and just go for VoS

you'll be a freshie so ppl will take you anyway

as long as u dont like

grief the party

💀

[heavy spear]

i probably will LOL

idk what my gear progression is at this point

[mystic elbow]

It's kinda hard to grief the party now

[visual horizon]

Do you have Rigo gear at least?

[heavy spear]

i'm in elri blues for pve

[visual horizon]

Or are you in—

[mystic elbow]

Go get rigo

crimson set

[visual horizon]

What's your ERP level, exactly?

[heavy spear]

uh

100

so low

[mystic elbow]

oop

are u new

[visual horizon]

They might need a stepping stone FoJ.

Like, honest to the gods.

[heavy spear]

i have not played since before transcendence stuff so if you count that new

[mystic elbow]

You're new yes

There's a few things you can do from here

[heavy spear]

before 3rd job

[mystic elbow]

u can wait for an event

[visual horizon]

Old person...

[mystic elbow]

that'll just give you FoJ and Rigo

or you can go the long way

and get rigo then VoS

I believe u can get to 1.425m CP

based on rigo

whats your erp in

[heavy spear]

i went for attack power / element resistance

i mean if those free rigo/foj events come often then i could wait for one

i'll just keep myself occupied with other games

[mystic elbow]

whyyyyyyy

pls

never

EVER

go for attack power

[heavy spear]

i thought it was a bad idea lol

oml that reset scroll is expensive

[mystic elbow]

Yeaaa you'll want MPR, HP, Elemental Resist, and then lastly MP +2

For pve you'll want ASD, Pol, Boss Dmg for CP boosting

then Adapt iirc gives the most

[heavy spear]

mpr = skill mp cost decrease?

ew that extra page is even more expensive

[mystic elbow]

yea

I rly need you to get your ERP up

to at least 200

[heavy spear]

do events typically give reset scrolls?

[mystic elbow]

Nop

[heavy spear]

argh

[mystic elbow]

geesus SS queue is dead

[heavy spear]

i'll pick one up if a free rigo/foj event comes by

[mystic elbow]

they might do one for the summer

u might be ok with just FoJ cuz you're AD tho

[heavy spear]

lets say hypothetically i wanted to go the long way

where do rigo pieces drop from

[mystic elbow]

Rigomor

actually what you do is

[heavy spear]

i only did the first dungeon from that like twice

[mystic elbow]

you do your weekly and daily and then you can craft one piece

[heavy spear]

is there, like

a guide out there for this sort of thing

[echo tangle]

not sure but to put it simply: do rigomor daily/weekly to get material

then use that material to craft rigomor armor pieces

after you get all the pieces you can move onto the next step of reforging

[abstract yacht]

It's straightforward, just kind of gatekept cuz it's a daily thing and not something u can farm for hours

[heavy spear]

well

i suppose i have other things to keep me occupied until an event comes along

[mystic elbow]

Yeah there is a few guides

If u need help u can always ask tho

reforging is the expensive part

[abstract yacht]

I just find it weird that

they said they wanted to make a way to make pvp players not need to progress in PvE to be strong in PvP

and they gave duelist armor
granted
it was successful

but

weapon replacement where...?

so in the end you still have to PvE to be stronger in PvP

[mystic elbow]

with rigo u didnt rly need to pve anyway

u can just buy your way there

compared to rigo

duelist is an infinitely better option

[abstract yacht]

still you need to go into Berthe and stuff to get stronger
FoJ can do but that's also still PvE requirement (as easy as it may be)

[echo tangle]

they'll make a pvp raid where you'll fight a difficult PvP npc

[mystic elbow]

they gotta make money somehow

[abstract yacht]

DoSi release flashbacks

I mean tbf PvP isnt that big anymore

most KR players are PvE so

but ig gotta drain everyone huh