#š„ļø±curseforge-support
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What stages of the malware does the CF scanner detect?
first and second
Stages 1 and 2 I believe if not 3
i think
I love how this is happening on the same day as the 1.20 update. yahoo
Should be right.
it could be 3, tho idk if 3 doesn't delete the stage 1 and 2 files
If it gets to stage 3, will it still be detectable through older stages?
I used to have certs but they don't matter as much anymore
that's a question i asked too
CISSP?
Is there any way to scan for stage 0?
It won't detect it if it is dormant. Requires you to run a file affected so that it can create the needed directory, I believe. Could be wrong.
Got my CISSP 5 years ago I stopped maintaining it
This. It won't detect stage 0
So itās possible that I could have the virus on my PC for however long unless I donāt uninstall every jar file on my pc?
In my opinion, I would just delete all files that are possibly affected. Since it can spread to other .jars, I just deleted all of them after I checked to see if the malware was active.
If the directories are not made then the infected jar file was not run yet.
Or none were infected kind of a toss up given ongoing investigation
I mean Iāve run every modpack I have and the directories were never created, luckily enough I donāt usually play premade modpacks
For me it was enough to just reset my PC completely and reinstall everything (except any Mod Launcher for now). Will stop playing for a while now
Are only Jar files targeted?
I feel like thatās a bit much lol
i don't think it should be there
Safe to say so long as you don't download any new ones until confirmed they are sage you should be okay but be on the lookout
where is it located tho, i would look for myself
From what I know. They mention that the malware is inserted into .jars that are viable candidates for the malware.
Itās also pretty safe to say that if you didnāt download any of the compromised mod packs/ mods (mostly lunar pixel projects) yesterday you are in the clear. There were some misc malicious mods circulating for the last 2 months but I donāt think they picked up a ton of downloads.
Stage 0 can't execute mainly because the C&C is offline, which could change
What is c&c
its a file in my desktop that i could see after turning off hide windows protected folders
Command and control server. Essentially the server being used to infect the machines and extract the info
It's how it "phones home" so to speak
I am hoping the way I did this works.
Could stage 0 mods be activated at this point though? Considering the server was taken down by the server provider
Itās annoying how this all came up the day of an update when everyoneās gonna want to play new mods 
So I have to run the detector once in a while, just in case.
Nothing stops them from trying to put a different one up
Was probably planned like that
Yeah, lots of traffic? Perfect day to spread malware.
Thats very unfortunate but what can we do now? Just wait a bit until its settled
Wait, does the mods on Modrinth have malware or is it just on Curseforge?
Yeah just donāt install anything for now and keep an eye on the infected directories if you run anything
O shit it's the seventh 1.20 is coming out
aight, after some research im pretty sure it only means that jar for that file was once in desktop
Be wary of any mods origin.
Its out
My PC is reseted. I dont have anything in the first place
Ok so nothing is safe atm
Zamn
okk thank so much
Do we have the tools to scan for stage 0 yet?
Stage zero requires examination of obfuscated code. Unlikely it will ever happen
What's the difference between stage 1,2 and 3?
If the current scans say youāre in the clear, then just wipe your mods as a precaution and wait until mods are confirmed clean once again to download them back.
Stage 3 is bad stage
You might not feel a need for it, but I would just take a torch to your installed mods if Stage 1 hasn't activated.
Should remove all possible malicious files.
Exactly, folks only need to worry if the current scans come back positive.
Excuse the language but this so fuckedā¦..
Ikr
Stage 3 is the point to where your credentials could be( or depending on timeframe) have already been stolen. Stage 1 is establish persistence(infect the other jars)
Malware and viruses as a whole are, but people suck so weāre stuck with them.
I think that I am going to play FORTNTIETEHGH (Jk, gonna play some tf2)
It is a pretty good shot by them. This was the perfect time for a malware attack considering the 1.20 update.
Stage 2 is when it runs on startup and leaves the files that the current scans find.
This has been going on for a bit already, it just happened to be found around the same day as 1.20 launch
Did they put the detection tool out already?
All it took was one slip-up with a high profile account lol
3 of them
Detection tools are out
Or it was intentional. Who knows
Check 'em out.
Where can I get them?
What @sterile kestrel said
News one has the one deved by CF. The hackmd has some scripts that were developed last night as it was discovered
I think that they wanted it to happen at the same time as the 1.20 update because of the fact that a lot of people would begin to download mods when the update would launch, which allows a very easy source of creditionals for the hackers to take
Since itās been out for a few months itās likely that the increase in modding with the update just produced enough traffic for it to be found.
Really shows the need for code signing tbh. Apparently CF tried before?
More people watching leads to a higher likelihood that itās caught
Correct and correct
Oh wait so it has been here for more than one day, and Curseforge didn't notice it?!
It was highly obfuscated and wasn't noticed because CF wasn't compromised, only some high profile mod accounts
Itās unknown if the malware creator edited timestamps but supposedly the last 4 months are questionable with an increase in the past several weeks.
Anyways i can download overwolf right
Even then it wasn't actually noticed until lunar went wait a minute that's not us who logged in lol
how do i update curseforge profiles from 1.19.4 to1.20
Thatās why CF is scanning all of the mods on their site now since itās not an issue on their side except maybe security.
really dumb question: do we need to have curseforge downloaded (since i mainly download from the website) for the tool to work or
Nope
is it safe for me to launch my modpacks?
aight thanks
Have you run the tool since downloading them and have they been run?
its safe for download and update mods ?
what tool
how do you use the detection tool?
No problem. When it comes to cybersecurity no question is dumb
Check #š¢ļø±news
Step 1: scan. Step 2 (if no malware): delete your mods and wait until all clear. Step 2 (if malware found): wipe everything and you should clean install windows to be 100% safe.
i thought that was just some mods and that the team already removed them
its not that ?
Nope, there are more
The list is ever growing. More mods are being found
They removed the mods they knew about but not every mod is known
We just don't know which ones.
As mentioned, just torch all the mods if Stage 1 has not come to pass.
download it and double click the file
it just opens
Essentially the way it works is it infects other jar files you have on your pc with the phase0 malware, which is mostly important to modders because they don't notice. This basically makes the malware spread like wildfire as people would then be uploading their updated mods online not knowing it had it in the first place after getting it elsewhere
Do NOT take the risk of using any modpack that is possibly affected by malware.
So no, it's not only some mod teams
hello i had a question. does anyone know a minecraft server hosting site were i can host a free modded server for me and my friends?
Aternos
Stage 1 is what spreads it among all of your .jar files so if you got 1 that had the malware (even if we donāt know it does yet) they could all be infected.
What does it say? A screenshot may prove useful here
so how do i use the tool
yea i know but the mods i wanted to play got deleted from that site so do you know any others?
Open and run. Keep in mind I haven't run it I'm on linux
idkk where to download it
its just a folder inside it
it didnt say on the link in #š¢ļø±news
It's the third link in the news channel btw
if i downloaded a worldedit 7 days ago would i be safe?
and theres no exe in the folder
this is the exe
Not necessarily it's been around since may possibly April
Stage 2 is when youāre past the point of no return and it allows stage 3. The scanner only scans for stage 2 so delete all mods anyway.
Check to be sure
is worldedit infected?
Oh good we got it ran š
The new tool scans for stage0 now as well
Oh does it? What's it look for?
Just any known infected mod?
Idk but that's what the tool was specifically for. If you read through the thing they explained how to search for stage1 &2 and they were making the tool to detect stage0 which is now out
If thatās true that thatās great
Huh I thought it was the other way around
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Hi does any one know why Iris is crashing my minecraft? I use a curseforge launcher
Now I'm rethinking that it makes sense lol
But is it now?
According to turtle it does so
I'm working(on lunch) so do not have alot of time to absorb new details since last night
Alright good
could go to the github and take a look at the source code
That's what it says in this https://hackmd.io/B46EYzKXSfWSF35DeCZz9A
Which is the nekodetector people have been using
Wait if I havenāt touched my craptop since may 16 Iām safe?
Just run the tool to be safe best not to assume
Oh nice
I cant run it for another 3 daysā¦
Looks like the tool appears to be complete. I'm on linux haven't found directories but will run then
They said scan anything from the last 4 months
The ones I've been referring to were the scripts and CF. I knew this was in dev but didn't know it was complete
Yeah yeah the scripts were for 1 & 2
I believe this was finished recently
I will have to run it when I get back home in 3 days. I gotta go through an 8 hour flight in 64 hours
I ran it a couple time and it came back clear luckily so seems like it never was on my pc
If I never had any of the directories is it safe to say that the virus at least hasnāt gotten past stage 0 if itās on my pc
When an IT community get riled up on security, shit gets done lol
Yes, delete all mods though
Yes. The nekodetector though should detect stage 0
If it hasnāt been detected on first stage, it wonāt be on other stages
How long is this going to last?
how informative!
However long it takes to conduct thorough review of the mods on the site
Yeah Iāve deleted all Jar files that ik of, from both curse and modrinth, idk if maybe thereās some somewhere Iāve missed tho
Yeah, torch your mods to be safe I would think, even with a detector for St0.
Does anyone know who did the hack?
Nope
Hmmm assuming months or weeks then based on your response
Theoretically if it detects nothing of stage0 would that mean those mods on your pc are safe and don't need to be removed out of curiosity
I think thereās suspicions rn but no answer
Indeed.
Ik before it was better to because we couldn't detect 0 only 1 and 2
You canāt skip stages, it must go through stage 0
CF claimed everything could be scanned in around 12 hours
To get to next stages
If we can reliably detect stage 0 then there isn't a need to torch the mods if it doesn't find anything
Is anyone working on a scanner for stage 0?
That's actually kind of impressive that's a lottttt to scan in only 12 hours
Stage 0 scanner ^
I saw that, just dk how to run it
Does the curseforge one scan stage 0?
No
It's it's own jar(ironically)
It depends on what you think of as reliable. I still torched my mods, but this is a new detector. I am just a rather safe than sorry person, though, so I think that's just me.
Oh absolutely. I ain't gonna fault you š
Does the cf scanner look for anything past stage 1?
Yes, S2
To run it though just open cmd and run java -jar scanner.jar 4 C:\
So cf scanner scans stage 0, 1, and 2?
May need to include absolute path to the jar file
Cf does 1 and 2. The neko detector above does 0(perhaps 1 and 2? Not sure on that)
Alr thanks
What if itās on stage 3, would it detect s2 still or is it untraceable after s3
CF does S1 and S2. From what we know, Neko detector does St0
Stage 3, I don't know.
Is there a video or step by step guide on the neko scanner?
No clue.
is it safe to play sky factory 4 currently?
Define safe
No mods are safe atm. Use the detector beforehand if you are going to go ahead anyway.
And after ^
how do i download this nekodetector? github is too confusing for me
I am currently trying to download the Detector Tool from both GitHub and the CurseForge Support site, and both locations I am prevented from downloading due to the file saying "virus detected". Is there a fix for this?
Browser security settings most likely
There are no releases of the detector for me just yet.
Turning off the browser security still didn't allow the download to proceed
so do i download the ZIP or what
how do i use the detection tool?
i can't download nekodetector guys there is no option in the github
Click the < > Code
i did, what i do after that?
then do you just run the cmd prompt?

gradlew.bat
says windows protected my pc
You can turn off your windows anti virus temporarily if you feel safe enough to do that
so like can i download any mods like security craft, scp overload, scp restoration and mrcray mods without getting a virus? or are they also unsafe?
Means windows defender blocked it
Usually there is an instance of run anyway on expand
i did that
Iām dead
and it installed what do i do now
Until further notice NO MODS are safe to download
You do so at your own risk. If you MUST download then you should run the detection tools before and after running them at minimum
What about mobile
what now?
Why can i load Fabric/Vanilla minecraft but not forge?
it gives me an error code when i try to
if i have not updated a mod can i play it?
pretty sure this just builds gradle, doesn't run the detector lol
i keep getting this error code when i try load up forge minecraft why is it?
what do i do after that?
I think it may have to be built to run it. I can't test right now unfortunately
Apologies but may ask someone else because I am currently working and responses will be slow
yeah oops forgot to mention that was the start š
hackmd has the rest of the tutorial
Pretty sure the detector is not done yet and they still need to compile it before everyone can use it
would get it if opera wasnt slow as shit
Can someone help me please
Hello. I have question about these malware mods.
I uninstalled CurseForge and then ran detection tool. It said there is no any malicious files, but I have doubts if I did something wrong.
Hey guys, how to run the detection tool ? there's no .exe
I think you have downloaded it from git hub. Try downloading it from curse forge website.
ok
if i downloaded mods like last week and now deleted them and if i would delete curse forage for some time, am i safe?
@teal trout please avoid using slurs
I think you should check it with this detection tool
Yes
alright
sorry
but like i deleted them so like they should be gone right
Hello, I've run detection tool, manual check and also blocked the IP that was giveen (just didn't edit host files), yet, i cannot find "%LOCALAPPDATA%\Microsoft Edge"
So, should I have CurseForge installed to use detection tool?
Good
Thank you, going to delete the files now
I was worried about it. Hopefully I don't have malware :)
just wondering is mods rn on the platform are safe or not
you need to keep searching for malware until your results look like this
Found nothing
wen did this start? i ran minecraft with the mods 2 days ago
and if i have been using some mods for a while am i able to get ratted ?
Hey! Question, was the modpack "Fabulously Optimized" affected?
this morning GMT i think
Yet, my only doubt is, servers like Aternos are safe? Like, should I reset the server after all of this setles?
How long this scan should last? I pressed scan button and it instantly said "NO".
WHy do i keep getting this when i try to load up Forge Minecraft
results are pretty fast, it was instant for me too
Ok, thanks for help
It's instant
is the tool safe to use?
I think yes. I scaned with malwarebytes and put into virus total and no results.
Yes
wait wont windows protection just locate the virus?
not always, it usally cant detect them
Wheres the actual bug detector file?
what are these ?
is there any way I can get curseforge to install mods that are on my computer already?
help someone please tell me are those virus?
most probably yes
no lmao, windows files.
Either windows files or viruses
a mod please answer
ntuser is user files
seems russian to me lol
please do not give people advice if you are not knowledgeable
is it safe to play a modpack i made a few weeks ago?
can we ping a moderator?
why? I already told you what you posted is not malware
ive already ran the tool and didnt get the virus, is it still safe to use curseforge or not yet?
i need to know if they are virus or not
It's not
It means im right?
I'd say currently your ok
i also run the code and didnt get anything
Can't figure out the nekodecector
if youre that concerned run your anti virus to scan those files
It wouldn't help much even if you had an anti-virus as this is not detectable yet.
russian spyware, delete immediately
bruh fuck off
are you serious ?
how do i use the detection tool, i downloaded it but dont know how to run it.
bro thats russian
no he's joking :\
im confused, please dont joke about thing
is it fixted
@young sedge are you russian?
How do I run the neko detector ā¹ļø
Which os do you use?
no,
Windows 10
i had russian folder before i guess
if you know those folders they're fine, ntuser files are user files so they're also fine, did you run the detector program?
i hope my warenty covers a reboot
uuuhhhmm... okay maybe you might be infected with a different virus then, install an anti-virus like malwarebytes
Bro I think u got more malware than just this, unless u know those folders
I wouldn't reboot right now if you are infected
i dont have any issues right now
yeah that's the point of some viruses, you're not supposed to see it.
yep looks normal
how do i run the detector?
is launching atm8 safe rn on curseforge?
The world is a magical place isn't it
@calm plover Am I not supposed to input the given command into powershell? There's no .exe
I am hoping someone can help me, I am getting an Exit Code: 1 when trying to load a 1.19.2 Forge modpack Cottage Witch version 1.19-1.14.9 . My GeForce driver is up to date, I just updated my Java yesterday. I have included screen shots of the drivers I have for both (incase I made an error somewhere) along with my latest.log file. I am out of ideas and would appreciate any help I can get. Please let me know if there is any other info I can provide to help you help me ā¤ļø
Paste created of latest.log, uploaded by Fade_Alchemist.
never heared of neko detector sadly
how to fix it
Is it possible to get detector tool for Mac os as well. I know it wasnāt targeted but still, java is cross-platform
i think i know what those russian folders are, i know a bit russian and country i live in use russian as second language,
guys
they said that the virus only detects if you use Windows or Linux
why is there no Litematica in minecraft mods?
So is the curse detection tool 100% accurate?
No, but its a good start
How to fix it?
Also check the registry for an entry at HKEY_CURRENT_USER:\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
why does it not say what to look for
where Do I put that command?
i haven't downloaded anything from curseforge since i last formatted my pc, am i ok?
If you downloaded and or excecuted any mod since may this year, maybe not
every mod i downloaded from the site i checked on virustotal
Well the last modpack I downloaded was Seaopolis 2 a month or 2 ago. Hopefully I'm good
thats right?
As far as I know, it's not detectable by antivirus yet. Try to use the check up virus script that was given, and or check manually for any weird folders from the link given in news
yea, and what would the bad bit look like
like if u was infected, what would be there
If you follow this website, the team is constantly updating with helpful info https://hackmd.io/B46EYzKXSfWSF35DeCZz9A
the virustotal check for the detection tool shows that the file communicates with an IP that contains malicious content
I just play downcraft with my friends last week is it save?
you can block said ip through windows firewall
Assume not, check your files following the instructions given on the link I provided (https://hackmd.io/B46EYzKXSfWSF35DeCZz9A)
yo i'm trying to use gradlew.bat to scan my pc but it always closes should i be worried
you're not running the scanner
that just builds Gradle
what scanner
where do i get it
Here: https://prismlauncher.org/news/cf-compromised-alert/
This one's a bit easier to follow
Malware is being distributed through Minecraft mods and modpacks mainly through CurseForge
when can i use curse again
Don't know, did you use the script or checked for the registry entry?
is it the website or the app?
I would wait until they finish the full scan of the site before downloading anything.
hopw to run the new tool?
When they say its safe. Uninstalls all jar files
I scan it when i hear this problem ,it shows green word that mean i'm save or not
does deleting and reinstalling windows system help
fuck
that is the source code
If it said that there was nothing, just block the IP on the firewall (link https://prismlauncher.org/news/cf-compromised-alert/) and don't use moded minecraft for the time being
it's ok, but don't play minecraft modded right now
So it's ok to play 1.20 server with none mods?
Yes
I don't have the knowledge to tell you if it's safe right now
e everything save, there is also a issue iwth plugins btw, so dont use them
i hope creator of that brutally killed and tortured
Official Prims Launcher Page
Is allthemods safe?
Meant to take a screenshot with the address bar but jinxed it
Ah, it's said that is the malware origin IP, so blocking it serves as a deterrent: "@PandaNinjas has reported:
use your firewall to block outbound connections to 85[.]217[.]144[.]130, and modify your hosts file to include 0.0.0.0 files-8ie.pages.dev On linux add that line to /etc/hosts, on windows add that line to C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts"
Letās go to the ownerās house
Wascurseforge hacked????
It explains the origin.
And I believe not since it seems to be offline
Yes sadly
What does that mean if I have curse forge????
Is allthemods safe from the malware?
No mod nor modpack is safe for the time being. Abstain from playing modded minecraft until it's safe
Something for the modpack devs I however run my own server and am not finding my arm8 modpack compromised
Any minecraft or just curse forge??
Only the mods have been compromised, not the app
Refrain from downloading, updating, or otherwise running any mods for the time being
Should also note that atm8 is being very nonchalant and just saying "don't cry wolf" which irks me but thats neither here nor there
Alr thanks
wdym
i didnt touch app for the past two days
Any modded mine raft or just curse forge?
Unninstall all your mods
Doesn't mean anything. Infected files have been found to go back to april
All moded minecraft, no matter the origin of the mod
i cant use my computer rn
I should uninstall all mods?
Noone said that?
Correct
?
If the malware was found, should I reset passwords and stuff
Something is getting lost in translation. You just said your computer was unusable...
This applies if it hans't activated stage 0 as far as I understood
question, if i use a modpack on curseforge which will not automatically update, and none of the mods are infected, would it still be safe to run said modpack
Safe than sorry. Enable 2fa etc
i meant i am away from it
?
Theoretically yes, but you'll want to be extra cautious if you do. We don't know full scope
It should be safe, but it would be better to wait this out.
are those malware?
Also, run the detector and antivirus before and after you play the modpack
is that the scanner tool
Im not even gonna open my computer til this gets solved
have done that
Possible but hard to tell. I'm not seeing the ones it would normally find for it here
malwarebytes
free or premium
you need to run the mods for getting infected ig
i've run my antivirus + both detectors currently available just to be safe, and i did it right after the modpack started again, planning on doing it when i close the modpack just to be safe
would virustotal detect fractureiser if i were to say upload a mod jar to it?
free
Wait so I can't even uninstall??????
Here @digital roost
the only thing i downloaded since april is dawncraft
i decide to delete windows and reinstalled it
Change your passwords right after if at all possible
So what am I supposed to do right now?
you only need to do this if you've been infected with a stage after stage 0
and really only at stage 3
but you should be cautious regardless
I would cry if my account got stolen
The only way i found out about this is from AT Launcher, do they not have any warnings on curseforge?
change all your passwords now
Personally, I am changing my passwords anyway. I don't have the malware, and I am fairly certain I have gotten rid of all possiblle infection points.
Not to be paranoid or smth but what if the scan itself is a virus made by hackers that hacked the admins discord accountl
Itās not lol
What if they did though?
What if i dont have any of the mods installed that were infected
The admins still have access to their account
You should still be careful of playing MInecraft Modded
just dont run any mod till the devs say its safe
I use lunar normally to play mc
The list is growing. Download at your own risk.
That doesnt matter: Stay away from Modded Minecraft until this Issue is resolved its for your own safety
If I didn't run minecraft am I safe?
Pretty funny one too
I barely play modded MC as is but ill stay away from mc but what if its running in the bacground like in my taskbar
yep
If you downloaded or updated any mc mods through forge the files would be on your computer, you donāt have to run it
Aoght might just play fortnite until they say it's safe ngl
What if curseforge is running in the back ground
It should be fine
May 20th???? I did play at may 20th modded minecraft
It wouldnāt automatically be downloading anything unless you downloaded or updated any mods. Just having it open is fine
I played modded after may 20thā¦
manual install supremacy tbh.
I am so glad CF is manual install
Yāall just run the checker, itāll solve your worries !
I play modded MC every day...
But the detector said there was nothing
Is the checker safe?!?!
the checker is a bomb
this good right?
Then you should be fine
All the detectors provided by the CF team are safe.
I think I did
So i should run the scanner
Yes. If you play anyway, run the scanner afterwards as well
Last i played was RL craft and its like 1.12
Ah alright thank you I was scared (also just to answer the question the modpack was pixelmon)
Wait am I not 100% safe from "stage 0" (idk what it means)
how do u run it
The detector cannot catch St0 mods, only S1-2.
Stage 0 is the dormant stage of the malware.
can we still play our old ones?
how do i download the checker
where do i download the malware scanner?
Head to #š¢ļø±news
So should I run it every few minutes ??
Also what am I supposed to do if it gets to stage 1 2 or 3
I just heard about the mods. Before this was announced, I found 68 corrupted file on my computer. Which was odd because my mod list didn't change. I had to completely wipe my computer. However it is possible I still have the corrupted files in my external hard drive. I would like to speak to someone about investigating these files. I suspect that the corruptions were installed through an update.
Personally? I just run it before and after. I loaded up MC and immediately did a scan to ensure my game didn't launch with corrupted .jar
Stage 1, 2, and 3, I do not know. I am not an expert, so I can only offer my opinion, which should be taken with a grain of salt.
So stage 0 is what is hidden in the mod or plugin. It connects to a random server that is at the moment not online. This means that stage 1 can not be executed on your computer right now. It is however possible that the server comes back online eventually. So I would refrain from playing recent mods at the moment
i ran the gradlew thing on nekodetector. how do i actually tun the detector?
From what I know, it is not actually complete.
Doc has been changed they recently tried to stand up a new C&C
can someone send me the link to the scanner
ok,thank you.
As long as the provided scanner says that there's no stage 1/2, I'm good to delete any of my installed my mods, right?
Yes but the C&C is for stage 1 and stage 2, since the IP adress that is taken down was hard coded in stage 0
Thankfully
That's what I did. I torched my mods once I checked for stage 1-2
can you send me the scanner?
I did....
Aight, bet. I ain't gonna get caught playing with fire āļø
who do you use neko
time to torch mods and curseforge
CF itself is fine. Just the mods atm.
So they're not stealing my information in stage0?
That happens in S3
Nope
Just torched all my mods and deleted all backup profiles and mods
St0 is the dormant phase, where it waits to be executed.
S0 evokes S1; S1 evokes S2 and S2 evokes S3. In S3, they steal your data
does the malware scanner detect the malware in all stages
No, only stage 1-3
i ran the scanner and it says nothing was detected
and stage 0 is wahts within the mods befor theyre ran in jvm?
nothing was detected for me so i destroyed my mods and mod packs
does that mean im safe to use the mods i have
I recommend to torch the mods for now.
So technically if you destroy everything mod related and run the scanner you should be fine.
can i just quaranine my mods? (none are infected)
At the moment, since stage 0 is dead (temporarely?). But, I would not risk it if you have have recently updated any mods
does torching them mean deleteing the mods and removing them from my mods folder completely? and deleteing them with reclying bin
Yes
I haven't launched curseforge for a while, and uninstalled it & all mods when i heard of the situation
also ran the script and detected nothing, am i good?
ive recently installed some, but dont update mods ever unless theres an issue with them
i executed the detection tool and everything seems fine, i haven't downloaded a mod from curseforge from at least 1-2 months ig
How do you know if they're not infected. If I was you, I would have taken a screenshot of the mods you have so you dont forget them, delete everything and reinstall em when everything will be fine.
Yes, but only (that we now if) once it infected the system
ran them in a vm, plus theyre 2+ months old
just unistalled curseforge
ive installed two mods recently, the curios api and the one probe (1.18.2)
Curseforge is actually safe.
Then you should be fine, but If you want to be absolutly sure, just wait with playing until the storm has cleared
well for the time being just to be safe i uninstalled
All traces of mod files need to be completely annihilated in order to minimize chances of infection, in my opinion. As long as they are not in an active state, you have your chance to torch them.
yeah i understand you
so delete the mod folder completely?
ik, thanks!
is DetectionTool-0.0.1.exe the one that im supposed to download?
When you download a mod yesterday but detector says clean
Safe your worlds, and delete the .minecraft folder. That's my advice
Might as well. CF will create a new directory once a mod is downloaded.
Which big modpacks had the sht mod UltimateLevels?
other than those two i havent installed any in a while, does the detection tool scan the mods you have downloaded or is it just looking for issues from them?
Yes
When virus
fuck my Worlds ill delete my whole thing
yea fuck dat im deleting it all bro š
It scans for a fake Microsoft Edge directory that the malware creates, and another one which I am not sure about.
why cant antivirus programs detect this tho
It scans for when the malware has succesfully executed, but it can not detect at the moment if your mods are infected
But there is also a script you should run, and a bat file.
what is that
Is the virus stuff affecting Forge, Fabric, or both?
Both
it says there was no malware but should i still be wary
Both, from what I heard
Look at #š§±ļø±mc-other-help, there is a .bat file
It checks the startup programs in the local appdata folder
Yes
okay i ran it and it said there was nothing
Yeah. The malware creates a fake directory within the folder. A telltale sign of whether you have it is if the 'Microsoft Edge' directory has part of the name as 'Microsoft Edge'. There is no space between those in the official directory.
I just wanna say that we should all thank our devs for the work they're doing, but to stay 1000% safe, you should delete everything that is mod related and run any antivirus possible.
also, my minecraft launcher icon changed, is this because of the 1.20 release? or is it an effect of the virus. this is the launcher that curse forge opens, not the default one since the other one(the one with bedrock) was worse
There are actually 3 tools to scan if you have the malware.
I think so, there is no sign that the malware changes the icon
oh the default one cahnged to
The malware shouldn't affect vanilla MC or the MC launcher.
i also dont have the MicrosoftEdge directory without the spaces
bro you should immediately factory reset your computer
so microsoft edge is a fake?
MicrosoftEdge is safe. Microsoft Edge is the problem.
They are unsure, the code shows that stage3 tries to inject the same payload in vanilla. But if it works
only type of microsoft edge i have is a shortcut bc its my main browser
woah wtf
Yikes. Did not know that.
Is this message from Curseforge or a mod?
What does stage 0 is dead mean?
The servers to run stage 0 are actually off
Which big modpacks had the sht mod UltimateLevels?
I cannot run Curseforge, what do I do, it says "Seems like we would not load Curseforge."
St0 atm is not working as the server is off
Why it began in April, it's still stage0 now?
wdym??
The servers hackers use to run the virus dont work
what would the fake microsoft edge look like?
cause i have one thats programdata and one is a onedrive
So, stage 0 is what is inside the affected mod. It tries to connect to a server, like as you would call a phonenumber. But, at the moment the phonenumber is dead (i.e. server is dead). So there is no communication
If the file directory has a space between 'Microsoft' and 'Edge', it is not the official directory and is part of S1 of the malware.
hey not related to minecraft, im having problems loading curseforge for other games, it just gets to here and sits (mspaint over stupid advertisment)
dont run curseforge
if the issue is only related to jar files then why?
guys this is the updated link for the guide
CF is fine.
If I didn't downloaded a mod for a big while, am I safe?
Download the scanner and check.
Btw, for those intreseted, the second C&C is dead
i can the scanner and it still says i have no malware
Perfect
I did and it says I'm good
i was about to ask if links were allowed so i could send this lol
Oh lmao
whaat is that link?
Fractureiser is the name of the malware, this page explains in basic terms what is going on
Is it sure the scanner can totally discover the malware?
It discovers malware in S1 and S2.
all the guide you need
But now is S0, how does the scanner work?
What does that mean exactly? The author canāt tell the installed malware to execute or sum?
are Macs currently affected by the malware?
Mac is safe
great, i just won't touch CurseForge, other than i delted the modpacks that i recently installed to be safe
The scanner searches for two directories created by the malware. This is how to determine whether you have reached S1.
C&C means command and control
So, the malware needs a server to communicatie to. C&C means, command and control. When this server is gone, the malware doesn't have anything to communicate to.
Ty lmao
So does that mean the malware is still present, just canāt send info back?
Yes
Just deleted it all and shut down my computer completely
Yeah. It is why I deleted every single mod file.
guys soon devs will give us tools to delete the malware completely
Which will be amazing.
So is there away to stop mod packs being updated for now?
it was discovered yesterday, give em time to learn more about it
So there is no way the virus can get higher than stage 0 rn?
So if it's in S0, the scanner can't find the malware?
They are manually updated, not automatically.
So i'm assuiming its still not safe to boot minecraft right?
Exactly
I doubt I have anything the scan came up clean and malwarebytes said there was nothing there
I donāt believe I ever had the malware, never showed up in my system. But imma still run whatever software they make to get rid of anything I maybe missed
It only detects s1 and s2
malwarebytes :D
soon a tool for that will be released
Goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
So if I run the scan and it says no virus I'm 100% safe (for now)
how do i turn off those annoying things
the superreacts
Still gona play Valhesisa 5, also rip the new life smp lol hope those famous minecrafters are aware of this problem, this virus might ruin that
aint it that nekoscanner jar? last i checked, it was still being made
can optifine also be affected by this
lmao you cant, that why we pay for nitro
Yep. It acts as a sort of trojan horse, and requires you to execute a jar file in order for it to spread. This, in turn, creates the fake directories
Remember, I am not a professional. Take my words with a grain of salt.
Does the virus go progress at the same time for everyone with it installed? If the C&C was up like would the hacker āpress a buttonā and progresses it to stage 2 and so on
no, the scanner can only detect stage 1 and 2
for you to see them lmao /j
šš
can i redownload my mods from modrinth and it would be completely safe?
well then fuck off with them theyre annoying
BUT if you go to the github page of HackMD, you will see that a new stage0 scanner is being built
lmao
Nekoscanner can detect stage 0
I know. I was just explaining my idea as to how St0 progresses to S1. That is why it can be found.
go study cybersecurity so i can take it with a pinch of sugar 
there are 5 uses per week
c++?
Happily, friend!
Being a professional hacker for like the FBI or sum would be a sick job Ngl
like a whitehat hacker?
these shellscript things in the fractureiser info thing, do i run this by just copy and pasting them into powershell or something?
nah you'd probably sit on a chair for 12 hours straight and pointlessly stare at a terminal
GUYS DOES MALWARE AFFECT FABRIC MODS?
Putting on a suit and tie to go hack some poor sod
All mods, anything, every single one them
You can see it as a burglar scenario. There are 4 burglars (stage 0, stage 1, stage 2 and stage 4) and one boss (C&C). Every burglar invites a new one, by calling them. At the moment there is no communication between burglar 0 and burglar 1. So burglar 1 can not be called. However, burglar 0 is still in your house and we don't now if he will ever be able to communicate again with number 1. Burglar 0 is however stupid and won't do any damage. If all burglars are however inside your house, they communicate with the boss and steal things. Right now also that communication is broken (but has been reinstaded again in the past), so they can't steal anything.
burger scenario
burg
Who "killed" the server the hackers or curse forge? And can the hackers turn it back on?
love the simple explanation. wish this was pinned fr.
The server host, so not the hackers
Alright thabks
ik this is probably already been asked but if i havenāt used curse forge in a week or two would i be fine?
still wondering what this is about, and how to use these
I love how i started a youtube series on a minecraft modpack, and now i can't even play it š¦
aight thank you!!
So I should use the scanner before unloading all mods or after?
request to update #š¢ļø±news with this link š
ok
why is it called fractureiser?
If the malware is in S0, after I unload all mods, am I safe?
its the name of the account that spread the malware, among other accounts
Yes, but delete them
gotcha
Thank u guys very very much
how do you run the scan? all it gave me was a gradle.bat file and some other weird stuff
the things here, in this screenshot from that fractureiser investigation page, seem to detect s0 stuff, yes?
how do i run those then
^
I don't think it does. If you have not found any malware just delete all mods
there needs to be something to fix this, i spent awhile setting up that modpack and i dont feel like doing it again
And for the scan, go to https://discord.com/channels/428228256236306434/525372338653626389 where you can download it from CF
i did that scan, i read that it only detects s1 and onwards
so if they arent infected, i do not plan on removing them
It will take untill tomorrow until CF has scanned al mods, so nobody know atm how many mods are infected
It is at your own risk
that is why im asking about how to run the things in there, as it seems to have some kind of s0 detection
does the scanner scan all files?
the cf scanner checks for s1, it does not scan any files for s0
im still trying to wrap my head around that s0 detector. it feels like a file or two is missing.. maybe wait for a proper release?
Both scripts are .sh (I think those are the ones you mean?), and these are made for Linux. Running them on windows is advanced and you should google it. Both scripts however warn for false positives/negatives so it should not be trusted
what if i use fabric?
Fabric mods can also be affected
how would the issue get fixed btw?
so they are for linux. thanks for the clarification!
like what would be the solution?
All infected mods will be deleted on CF, and maybe CF will mass auto-update infected modpacks. But the only other solution will be deleting infected files, so there will probably a warning or something on the website
And a tool that deletes the dangerous files for users who have no clue about these things :p
alright alright hopfully will be fixed soon š
does malware spread only when the game is launched?
I'm curious if it's even safe to open minecreaft thru CF
Is curse forge minecraft icon supposed to be a Ghost faced creeper?
Avoid it if possible. Even Vanilla.
It will only infect a computer when the game (mods) are launched. It can however after that spread even when MC is closed
app is really slow, all resources on my pc look good, internet is good I have tried restarting it 6 times now
ty !
hopefully everything is fixed soon and we can all get back to gaming 
im fine then
iāll still check when i can tho
are texturepacks safe?
is cursed forge safe to run
Yes
man. staring at CF longingly rn
their app is so slow.....
also i still cant get it to open for other games
let alone minecraft
cursed forge lol
I Downloaded the scanner and can't seem to run it, everything opens into notepad?
Am i safe if i reinstall windows xd
might be something going on with CF. try rebooting your pc :)
i did recently, but have since gotten it to work finally
did you download the script?
is it safe to run a mod pack??
something is going on with cf rn, its happening to me too
if yes then run this command: powershell -executionpolicy bypass -file "%UserProfile%\Downloads\check_cf.ps1"
Maybe if I come back later it will be resolved. I hope......
in win + R
this isn't a very complicated question I know, but how do I disable auto update?
if youve already been running a pack since atleast last night, and used the checker and it says nothing, then is everything fine to go again?
Not a problem.
cause i would like to get back to something, that i have been running for every day for the past like 4 days
thought i did add two mods as of just last night
mentioned earlier, Curios API and The One Probe
Have you run it already with these mods? The pack?
yes
This just does nothing for me
It should be fine, but again it is at your own risk
@outer sable can you help him, I gtg
It pops up a screen and then dissapears
is your default thing for opening exe files changed or something? idk why it would open notepad, mine didnt open noteapad
It brings up the screen to open in certain apps
Which scanner have you downloaded?
ok i might be being dumb but like, what does the virus actually fo
well when i run the thing, it opens this
Thatās the tool, you just click scan
You should download the CF one, as SEV did
I downloaded it from the github link from #š¢ļø±news
The github is not an .exe, so you can't run it
I think the GitHub is just open sourced so people can see what it is
There is a .exe link on that same page, not the github one but the CF one
if you downloaded whats on the github, i think that is just the source code of the exe
so you might have to do some kind of process to change it to being the exe file, maybe just changing the file type?
or just redownload it lol
I downloaded it from the prismlauncher site and it worked
No it needs to be compiled, but that's what the website already did for us š
Thanks
yeah i assumed something more was needed
lunar safe? as in can i run lunar or will the virus get inside lunar idk
Nothing is totally safe
I canāt really speak for lunar but if you say, downloaded infected files from curse forge and then added those files onto lunar I donāt think it would be safe
I would not risk it tbh, untill CF confirms it's alright
don't you just hate when you wake up wanting to play minecraft with mods and it gets hacked? i hate when this happens
so is the safest thing playing nothing?
I can't believe people don't go to prison more often for stuff like this
Theoretically yes
have you found other infected jars ? (im part of the investigation team)
what if i play fortnite?
In the case you're not kidding, Fortnite is okay
well you can play minecraft, but first you gotta scan your pc using our tool
im not if i cant play minecraft at least ill play something
pvz garden warfare 2 is better
Yeah you're fine to play other games. I don't really know if other games even have .jar anymore I think only Java games do
doesnt it cost money
that's the bad part of the better
See what free games are on Epic, they get a new free one every week it sounds like you have Fortnite so you already have the epic launcher
lmao
yea ill check it out in a bit
It's a horror game right now, but tomorrow there is diffrent one
is it only the new mod files that have the malware
nvm ill wait for tommrow then dont really like horror games
updated mods if im not wrong
Depends on what you call 'new', and there is also a new season of Rocket League as of today
Curseforge keep loading the old launcher instead of the new one
curseforge please fix yourself.......
Little problem with forge mod loader, it always crash with or without mod
This problem append to me a long time ago and still now (1 week ago so the hack problem in #šļø±current-issuesš is not the problem)
Hey, pls send a launcherlog into #š§±ļø±mc-other-help
Don't have one with me but when the issues with curseforge is finished i while get one
okay I will remember your name^^
How do I change which launcher curseforge launches into
Please fix your app š¦
is that something i can do myself or
can i get malware from a server which has bukkit plugins, but is hosted on aternos/apex etc.?
Sorry I was talking to the curseforge devs
Im sick and tired of seeing a loading screen for 3 min then this https://i.imgur.com/ZdDEyvr.png
Depends on if youāre using curseforge to play said server
so playing with vanilla launcher its safe?
Yes
i used the original launcher and the plugins were not installed client-side
This issue only applies to the minecraft mods on the curseforge launcher which everyone seems to be completely overlooking
So ur using the vanilla minecraft launcher? If thatās the case idk much else, thatāll be something for a professional to answer lol
am I able to use fabric mods without having to worry about the melware?
How do you use the github maleare detection tool
Again theyāve stated the important stuff in the announcement
ugh and when it does load, the mod install button does nothing
If youāre not using curseforge minecraft then you do not need to worry. And you can still download and use the detector if u want to be safe
try reinstalling
hello curse forge api is free ?
tried that
is there a way to update a modpack to a newer mc version w/o having to reconstruct it from scratch everytime?
on curseforge?
yes
No. Different versions are 99% usually incompatible code wise between changes to Minecraft and changes to modloader code
sad
Curseforge is free but it isn't good time to download it
Well it's an opportunity maybe to make the new one different:D
Again curseforge isnāt affected, Minecraft on curseforge is
No API. You misunderstood
But still not using it is better for a few weeks
There is a website submission form for applying to get keys to use the CF API - but yes
My bad
Please don't spread that with no understanding of what is needed to rectify the issues
Multiple workings of the issue are being worked on fast
how much time to get response
Unknown. Customer service usually pretty fast
You have to agree to use it for legitimate reasons under their specific terms
do they offer api for minecraft mods only
hmm . Is it legal to generate income by building a website with this api?
See the terms that are published for it.
thank you
wheres the scanner that can detect stage 0
this might or might not be helpful
so if i am infected i would delete the files from the folder right? and what else should i do?
Although i haven't found anything I'll reboot my PC at a computer service
Don't risk anything and change your passwords , i did mine
Stage 3 takes your account and stuff like that right?
sure ig u can say that. detectors says iām fine and AV too. iāve removed client.jar already, im going to reinstall windows though even tho it says that
i think stage three injects itself into other mods
İt is the safest solution
i ran the scan and looked through my files, no malware was found in both instances. does that mean i am safe?
You should be if I'm not wrong
i deleted client.jar but i donāt feel safe so iām reinstalling windows. if the provided stage checkers says ur good then ur prob fine. it says iām good but iām paranoid so i donāt want to take any chances
İ can't stop being nervous about that, also i wanted a reinstall before my warranty run out
ok, thank you! im not very tech-savvy so all this is very new to me
Welcome, did you do everything as in website? Show hidden folder and other one
does curseforge support the """new""" launcher? (that one that supports minecraft windows)
CF does not use the Windows store launcher. It is exactly the same as the other game launcher.
https://support.curseforge.com/en/support/solutions/articles/9000228509-june-2023-infected-mods-detection-tool/#What-to-do-if-the-detection-tool-says-I-am-infected? if this is the only test ive done, should i assume im safe? (Malware not detected) but i see ppl doing all types of hidden file stuff and what not
yep
İ used Malwarebytes to find virus folders, it is free
Bit defender is also free
mods and modpacks from feburary are safe right?
I think the only things Iāve downloaded in the past several weeks are shaders. Do they have .jar files that could have been effected? I also got some resource packs but Iāve only heard about mods with the malware.
It can effect any .jar file
Thanks
So I am in another server for the Scape and Parasite mod and I guess their java programmers were poking around on it, apparently the malware can escape virtual machines
So I guess apparently don't do that
i have a registry entry that says microsoft edge, but i think it is the real one. It is msedge.exe, is this one the good one?
IT CAN WHAT?
This is what I am finding on the github, it's run by a few java modders
nah a compuer virus is alive now wtf
doki doki ahh vibes
i dont think there has been a virus this bad
There have been a few, there was one Windows had a while back that was actually so bad that the NSA involved itself
well i wonder how far this one will go
should i be concerned abt this VM stuff even if i donāt have a VM
i honestly wonder how long until things will be back to normal again
No, basically what that means is people try to run the virus on a virtual machine to like, see what it does, or do whatever tests
Most likely a couple days
well damn i finnaly have some time off and i wanted to spend it playing modded minecraft there goes my weekend
yea, i guess gmod for the week
anyupdates on the fix?
They said at midnight EST, or roughly 7 hours ago for me, they were going to scan all the files on the website
there are so many mods on curse forge this is gonna take forever
Hi, recently I tried to use the newest version of the Minecraft create mod, but when opening the game it told me that the mod requires forge 40.2.4 or above. How would I update it?
dont š
Yall!! This modpack is safe right??
thanks man
I downloaded it before all this!!
For now it's a good idea not to but since this will all blow over this is how
if you dont run the modpack you will be safe
Actually you may even need to just redo the entire modpack since you said you're on 40 versions, but you should hold off
Any ETAs when itll be safe again too play MC normally then??
nah, i came here for that too
is it safe to launch mods already installed and that I haven't updated to a newer version?
got a issue were its loading at 99 percent and doesnt continue
can anyone help me find out why i keep getting a code 1 error my all the mod 8 client keeps crashing it self when i try to staart it
i tried so hard and even wiped my enntore PC to see if it was mods confliting but it wasnt
At this time, no. Not until we have full confirmation things are safe.
Malware
like i got infected by it and thats why its getting knocked off or its just preventing me for saftey?
What does it mean by escaping virtual machines?
If you run the virus on a virtual machine it can get onto your computer and not be on the virtual machine where you can just terminate it
So like if I am a Mac running windows through boot camp?
I actually don't know what that would do
I heard it doesn't do anything on MacOS but idk if it's really worth trying
I aināt touching it till itās fixed
My pc started up with the windows 11 setup screen⦠could I be comprimized?
windows 11 virus
No thats because you accidently updated to Windows 11
How long will it take till they fix the curseforge mods and is modrinth safe
Ok lmao I'm an idiot
Hell all I got an question like can u still open the game with mod if the detectiontool detect nothing?
As of right now I think we've been told not to use it
Can a virus scanner find the corrupted files from the hack?
I don't think so, you have to use the program they provided for the time being, it's in #šļø±current-issuesš
hi, does anyone knows if FTB packs were affected?
Ty Iāll check it out when Iām back on my pc
can I still download shaders and texture packs?
well I play it yesterday (cuz the virus warning been publish today) and the dectectionTool detect nothing so I think there no malware no?
yes you can
are there new tools used to detect the malware on jar files?
not yet
there only detectiontool-0.0.1 for now
okay thanks
There is the neko tool as well. That one detects stage 0
neko tool?
thanks
The downside is you have to make the jar file yourself using the source code
oh well I'm not well versed in java and even with the source code so i'll just hope that nothing else is infected
i deleted like all dat shi
Will deleting and reinstalling windows operating system destroy the virus
Yes
idk how to do that also i dont want to lose all my games and shi ive installed
In a magical worldn asshole created a virus to make numbers of people mad
the asshole should kill himself š
Visit a computer service, that asshole need a brutal torture
im too poor to do that š¦
Sorry , my warranty hasn't end yet , i can only delete windows ,have to pay for windows again
i got my computer on amazon and have had it for less than a year so idk if i got a warranty
I bought mine last summer July 15
I downloaded Better MC [FORGE] - BMC3 in May, but after I used the scanner, it says no malware
does the scanner really work?
the one curseforge detector that i got doesnt scan any mods, it just sees if youre already hacked or whatever
idk mightve changed
Curseforge only scans 1 and 2(at that point you are infected). If not found then you are not infected
Do not run the modpack if you think the mods might be infected though. I dont think the scanner detects it when it's still dormant
Hello, I have heard about the issue that has happend recently. What exactly was affected and how can we tell if loading a pack is safe or not?
- Mods
- Technically none, but we have tools to detect
- https://github.com/fractureiser-investigation/fractureiser/blob/main/README.md
what can I use to find the walmare when it's dormanting
fractureiser is a novel self replicating virus that infects Bukkit plugins, Forge Mods, Fabric Mods, and vanilla Minecraft JARs. Infected JARs, upon being loaded, will run as normal, but silently download a series of payloads that steal login tokens, stored browser passwords/payment information, and cryptocurrency. After a computer has been infected, every applicable JAR file on the compromised system will be infected such that if they are shared and run on an another computer, the infection will spread. Compromised Curseforge login tokens were used to gain access to large mod projects and distribute infected JARs to users.
https://github.com/fractureiser-investigation/fractureiser is the best source for info
I believe this should work, though you're better off just uninstalling the modpack for now (making backups of your worlds first if you care about losing them) and reinstalling it once CF gives the all clear
https://github.com/MCRcortex/nekodetector
Can i still run and play my own modpack? or is that still not safe
Github links are posted. If you are decently versed in java, the neko detector tool can be used after you make the source into an executable jar
As in one you specifically made? Not necessarily, if the malware was on one jar it will attempt to infect all others
What mod was it that is infecting others, if it is known
There are a few known in the github page for it, but that's only the known ones
@slow valley how do I use this jar scanner
is their like a list of mods or something I can add to a modpack to make it perform better?
I already uninstall all mods, but I know the walmare create a hidden file(Microsft\Edge) in my computer. Can (1.https://github.com/fractureiser-investigation/fractureiser 2.https://github.com/MCRcortex/nekodetector) these two find the hidden file?
curseforge's detector can spot that hidden file and is effectively hard coded to identify it if it exists, it will tell you if it's there or not. If it comes up with nothing then you weren't infected
How does the known infected mod list update btw? Is it just updated every time a mod gets found or does it update by interval?
You open JarInfectionScanner.exe
then scan any folders containing .jar files
Scan your minecraft directory and any folders containing other minecraft mods
The scanner will also scan sub-folders so don't worry if they're seperated by a bunch of folders within, etc..
okay cool thanks
ohh you can browse it didn't show that option at first launch thanks
Yes, you can also look for it yourself, you just have to turn on view hidden files from file explorer(view > show hidden files)
i can't browse it on windows 11 bruh
Just remember if doing it manually look for the one with a space in it. Thats the fake one
it's either Microsoft Edge or MS Edge right