NTCED Parts Pack

[hasty venture]

dying noises

[round roost]

downloading

loading to test. and break my wallet

[hasty venture]

lmfao

did you see it?

[round roost]

i saw them yes. loaded it into godot to take a peek lol

[hasty venture]

LMFAO

[round roost]

is this one supposed to not drag anything in?

[hasty venture]

Simulation will not do anything but in a dive it does work

[round roost]

ah ok

[hasty venture]

idk why it doesnt work in the simulation but yeah

[round roost]

well time to break the bank and test the milspec first lol

100dps variant

[hasty venture]

massive jump in price ngl lmfao

I await to hear how you enjoy them

did you load it with the other mods?

[round roost]

also good news your mod loads on priority 5. yes i did

[hasty venture]

awesome

you can now move and mine

:3

best combo wombo

[round roost]

ngl the milspec miner class... kinda lettin me down rn

[hasty venture]

ah?

explain

[round roost]

vimdeo

[hasty venture]

hmm I may need to tweak tug power or something

[round roost]

idk if i was spoiled with the deca hauls or not lol

[hasty venture]

probs lol

I need more testing ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[round roost]

its not bad. it definitely feels like a vanilla

[hasty venture]

thats the point

[round roost]

and check the drone storage. that doesnt look like 100 drones per sec

[hasty venture]

it has more power than the normal one but not crazy yes

[round roost]

oh yeah its got more power for sure. i normally have to go about 10m/s im running 19 on this one

[hasty venture]

well, for sure when you have 4 of them you will see it

[hasty venture]

wait till fucking going 25m/s with the highest class

trust me, you will only want 2 or else no power

[round roost]

i have to sell a ship to afford the highest class lmao

and id still probably be short lmao

[hasty venture]

if you want, you can edit it to try it out but ngl, its so satisfing

I cant spell

[round roost]

the most expensive one right?

[hasty venture]

Ye

[round roost]

ill go find and edit it to test lol

[hasty venture]

just crank that power up

so you dont just drift

[round roost]

ill just throw on my bigblock lmao

5KMW a second should be fine right?

[hasty venture]

but maybe dont and see the fucking power hungry motherfucker

uh

[hasty venture]

it better be good enough

try 4 of them at once :3

[round roost]

lmao

[hasty venture]

that would be the true stress test then

if it can't handle 4, its not enough

[round roost]

you are EST right? do you not work tomorrow lmao. its almost 5am for you

[hasty venture]

I work nightshift but i got a hard time sleeping but im getting sleepy

[round roost]

225mw x4 is only 900 lmao i think even a town class can handle that?

[hasty venture]

who knows lol

I know whatever the Titan comes with stock is uh

yeah not enough

[round roost]

stock titans never enough lol

i think its the MPD5035 stock

townclass can handle 1500MW without a twin turbine.

or more i think

[hasty venture]

we'll see lol

[round roost]

ok so its the PEXTMU

at 5mil each right?

[hasty venture]

yes

I had to shorten it

[round roost]

np just confirming

[hasty venture]

I shorten it and also made sure it made sense

[round roost]

for testing purposes. im gonna keep the town class.

[hasty venture]

[round roost]

see if vanilla MPDG can run it

seems good. sometimes feels like they are all working on the same chunk tho

[hasty venture]

yeah that's vanilla for you, for now will have to deal with it until Za'krin or maybe me down the line figure out a better way

[round roost]

zakrin did that tho lmao. the multi drone mod has anti target stacking in it somewhere last i heard.

not sure exactly where maybe the patch

[hasty venture]

hmm

weird then

[round roost]

for 5mil tho. it feels a bit underperforming ngl

just based on vanilla performance

[hasty venture]

I may need to up it then lol

[round roost]

4 of them are doing a good job having the swarm follow me. but feeding is incredibly slow for the amount of drones used

[hasty venture]

hmmm

this is the problem, balancing

[round roost]

oh i know. im trying to NOT make an OP MPDG. lmao

thats why the first one i made is an underperformer, entry level model for new saves

[hasty venture]

I just don't have a point of reference ngl for metrics

[round roost]

well dont use 1km/s on the haul speed. i think i proved that one today

[hasty venture]

Im using nm for referance

[round roost]

1000 haul speed in that case

[hasty venture]

if its m/s then fuck idk what it is

is 1 velocity unit equal to 1 m/s?

[round roost]

i assume it is. cause thats what ripped me apart earlier today?

i might be wrong tho

[hasty venture]

I know what 10px is 1 meter

[round roost]

the conversion for MW is what i was basing my speed estimates on. since 1000 is 100MW maybe i was only doing 100m/s?

so you might be doing 20ms if its at 200

1000 tug force is the strength of the pull and that was doing really good work tho.(too good)

[hasty venture]

hmm

its at vanilla default since I didn't know what it did

I foucsed mainly on shove and haul

[round roost]

ah ok

tug force is the KN force the drones have on the chunks

[hasty venture]

it doesn't matter if it stops, its how much to push and pull is what I care

[round roost]

the haul drones use the tug force according to zakrin

[hasty venture]

well good to know

lol

[round roost]

since a tug drone is half the job of the haul drone they share that stat.

a tug just stops the chunk.
a haul stops it then brings it in.

[hasty venture]

I have alot to make sure that Im above vanilla is my problem

[round roost]

i get that

especially now that i know how to mod stuff lol

im gonna record another video with that test drone i made with you. i set ONLY the tug force to 1000
or i would but the mod seems to have frozen my game lmao

[hasty venture]

mhmm

im chilling rn

sleepy af

[round roost]

huh guess im not doing that. the example drone wont load even without your mod in there.... gonna have to trouble shoot that

[hasty venture]

uh oh

[round roost]

i was so tired i didnt even type that correctly lmao.

the example drone mod just doesnt work. at all. game freezes on loading lol

[hasty venture]

And you have the drone patch?

I can look at it tonight if you like to see what's wrong

[round roost]

i did indeed have drone patch

but its ok. you are the drone dealer 😛 im going to look at MPDGs for now. might branch out to THICCs later

[empty crystal]

@hasty venture just noticing but the version up on your repo doesn't have the ProcessHandler.gd with it

I assume that version doesn't actually include any multi-drone stuff yet and just the single drones and the updated plant.patch.gd?

[hasty venture]

Yep, the dual drones will one in v1 release

[empty crystal]

ah

[round roost]

I suppose i should also make a github for my own mod XD. maybe even a post in the workshop so i can stop bombarding others channels >.>

[hasty venture]

lol

[round roost]

i assume a public repository is the way to go for this..?

[empty crystal]

yep

[hasty venture]

yepo

[round roost]

this was probably a mistake, i barely understand using github to download lmao. would have been easier to just upload the files in a workshop channel XD

@empty crystal im yoinking your readme.md and changing the info in it lmao

[empty crystal]

it's a perfectly valid approach to take, github just makes keeping track of versions slightly easier

it's not like it's anything but standard markdown formatting with some goobery words in it, so go for it

[round roost]

fair lmao

me when i almost accidentally some cursed wording on a readme file for a game mod...
https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-shook-shocked-gif-13010143

(I almost said "The Final Solution")

[empty crystal]

I'm a firm believer in the whole "if you're modding, everything is fair game so long as you give credit where it's due", I don't really bother with licenses or anything like that

[round roost]

a fair way to look at things.
rena helped me out big time lastnight so i added her NTCED company to the lore for my largest MPDG

[hasty venture]

[round roost]

did you even notice it lastnight or were you too brain fried? XD

[hasty venture]

No I noticed it cuz you litterally screenshotted it and I said Wow

[round roost]

i couldnt remember lmao

[hasty venture]

I don't mean scarcasm, im just dead on the inside

[round roost]

i was beginning to enter brain fried last night as well so i just had no clue XD

[hasty venture]

I was up for like

20 or so hours tbh

[round roost]

yeah that will do it XD

[hasty venture]

probably same thing again this time aorund

its been a whole thing this year for me

[round roost]

ahh i see.

[round roost]

github made,
workshop made.
and off they go into the wind 😄

[empty crystal]

so what does currentTargetBias do when enabled, and was does tweaking the value do?

[prime flame]

it makes the drone prefer targets it already has. Basically, the system scans everything in range and scores chunks on how much work they need to get to their desired velocity. If currentTargetBias is enabled, the drone will multiply the score of its previously targeted chunk by that bias, effectively making it more desirable to keep working on the same chunk instead of switching targets.

[empty crystal]

Ahhh, so messing with that would potentially result in less situations where a drone starts to feed me and then fucks off for another target before it's actually got it on the proper path to my mouth?

[prime flame]

potentially, but it goes both ways, it may lead to it sticking with targets that are already dealt with, instead of the be flying off into oblivion.

[empty crystal]

I think I've found my bliss

2 PDT-Lasers cranked to max power and frequency

2 10x drone launchers, 1 doing 0-500m the other doing 500m-1000m

4 monocargo containers

[prime flame]

I generally don't like drone mining because of how slow it is, but the multi-drones genuinely make it so much more fun.

now it doesn't make it more balanced...

[empty crystal]

meh, that's Koder's problem

[prime flame]

if everything is op, nothing is (:

[empty crystal]

my ship weight 2.1gigatons and has the power of 3 suns inside of it, but that's really not my problem

It's glorious. So much power usage, so much ore, so much destruction

MPU cannot cope

[round roost]

XD

im not even gonna try touching MPUs yet.
My next goal might be a new ultracapacitor though. to pair with my MPDGs XD

[empty crystal]

disturbingly quick money

I hit a hell of a Tungsten vein

[round roost]

niiice

i think my fave loadout for the titan is 4 mono, and 1 THICC. plus a decadrone. and 2 PDLTs gotta use the AP to hold course but it holds so much its great

[empty crystal]

2 lasers cranked to max power and frequency, 2 decahauls, and 4 monothiccs, 3 of them for tungsten 1 for Be cause papa is fancy

[round roost]

XD

idk why but the PDLTs at max power and 6hz feel faster to break rocks

and saves on the durability i think

[empty crystal]

lower frequency imparts more boom on the rock when it cracks, so of course it's faster

but it imparts more energy on the ore

[round roost]

with a decadrone who cares about speedy ore tho XD

[empty crystal]

so Be rockets off at low freq, is pretty chill at max freq tho

[empty crystal]

Cause my filtering starts at 3K, so I want those pieces of Be to not be rockets

[round roost]

ah fair

[empty crystal]

you'd be surprised how quickly you can fully overwhelm 20 drones

[round roost]

when im titan mining with the MPU i dont filter

[empty crystal]

I filter to save on drones cause printing them is ass, and anything under 3K is usually just not worth the drones spent for me anyway

[round roost]

hmmm, i suppose

oh thats what i can make.. a drone storage to pair up with renas drones lol

[round roost]

i dont need to load as placeholder for UpgradesUI.tscn correct?
i have not been doing that and its worked fine so far. just trying to troubleshoot a nanodrone storage not populating into the shop list

[prime flame]

what size storage are you trying to add?

they have the same limitation as reactors/turbines, where the ship has a limit built into it.

[round roost]

75k

Started at 500k and worked down. Trying to find the sanity limit

[prime flame]

unfortunately, without replacing the ships or doing some code, the 50k storage is already the largest the ships will allow.

[empty crystal]

yup, 2 lasers, 2 deca drones and 4 monocargos is foul, and I love every second of it

[round roost]

ah dang. ok ty. is there documentation anywhere for this info or just something you know from experience

[empty crystal]

from experience if I had to take a bet, there's not much in the way of documentation about what dV is doing within Godot

[round roost]

gotcha

and yeah that looks like an amazing dive haul lmao

know the dive time?

[empty crystal]

Could have been faster and probably similarly profitable had I just done all 4 cargos for Tungsten

[empty crystal]

was at least 1 real world hour, probably closer to 2, but that was cause I was gooberin around at different points

[round roost]

thats pretty good tho

even with gooberin

[empty crystal]

this makes me really want to try and apply multi-drone's approach to my lasers to get 2x versions, 4 lasers across 2 slots with that setup would be very very very pleasing to me

[round roost]

lmao

and then give them an extra pivot on the joint, so each one on it could rotate to a target?

[prime flame]

yeah, it's all experience, I've been modding dV for maybe about a year and a half now? Unfortunately I'm pretty much the closest thing to documentation for this game right now lol

[empty crystal]

even if I end up having to settle for some lore fuckery explainery for why it's a multi-beam weapon instead of multi-mount

[round roost]

well thank you for leading the charge!

[empty crystal]

Za'krin out here being 70% of the modding community

[round roost]

i got DV almost a 6 months ago, fell in love with it from the start, 1 month in i was like. "this would be greater with mods." but i still love the base game.

[prime flame]

it's genuinely a great game, I'm just happy more people are getting into modding recently, it's been great to see.

[empty crystal]

I was just genuinely surprised there weren't any mods to re-enable achievements or a mod that put any form of a PDT-Laser in the game

so I said fuck it we'll do it live

[round roost]

yall have helped me learn modding so quick its great, i feel like i can contribute to a game i love. even if its indirectly with mods lmao

on the subject of modding limitations.
is it safe to assume that modding the THICCs and THIMCCs is roughly the same as making a ship mod?

[prime flame]

well, depends on what you want to do, but they are technically ships so...

[empty crystal]

Yeah, and like MPUs and ships, I wouldn't really call those a modding limitation and more just a "how the game did things determines how some stuff just has to be done" thing

just happens that they way some things were originally done means more leg work when you want to mess with it with modding

[prime flame]

yeah, technically there are no limitations on modding, you have full unrestricted access to the engine. You could literally just make a different video game, and package it as a 'mod'

[empty crystal]

dangerously unlimited modding, execute arbitrary code on the host machine unlimited

the sky is in-fact the limit, for better or worse

[round roost]

yeah i dont want to go that far i think XD

i was looking at trying to make a THIDUOContainer 45K storage / 2 ores.. or just a broken 540K variant of the THICC with all ores at 90K lmao

[empty crystal]

I had the thought about doing a Duothicc earlier

[prime flame]

the duo one isn't possible without a pretty good chunk of coding, ships just aren't set up to handle it (I already made a custom implementation that supports it if you want it though). But just cranking up the cargo capacity is pretty easy.

[empty crystal]

Kinda ironic considering it can do 1 ore or all ores just fine

I love goofy quirks like that

[prime flame]

yeah, it has three modes

• 1 ore
• all ores
• variable amount of all ores

that's kinda all the choice you get

[round roost]

ah. maybe just the cranked up cargo to start would be best for now. unless the custom implementation is just a patch file i can slap in, i might end up breaking it lol

[empty crystal]

2 ores? Illegal, right to jail, 12 months hard labor

[prime flame]

it is slightly more than a patch file right now unfortunately

[round roost]

ahh ill pass on that for the time being lmao. still in the baby modding stages and all that.

am i modifying the cargopods in the ships/drone folder for cargo cranking?

[prime flame]

so, there's a scene for the cargo container, and then there's a scene for the container + the cradle arm

you probably want the one with the arm

[round roost]

ok cool. ty

and thats a weaponslot upgrade ui if im not mistaken?

[prime flame]

that would be for adding it to the enceladus menu

unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean

probably the easiest way to find it is to open weaponslot.tscn, find the container, and click on the 'open scene' button

[round roost]

just trying to figure out what tscn it pairs with.

so far everything i have done is with upgrades.tscn and auxslot.tscn

[round roost]

i didnt even know i could do that lmao. ive been searching the hard way for everything

[prime flame]

yeah it's a useful method for finding equipment/thrusters/whatnot that are all grouped in a scene like that

[round roost]

ty ty

so if i did 90K with divided it would be 90K for each ore right?

[prime flame]

correct

[round roost]

cool didnt want to set it to 540K for each ore XD. that would be insane

as is i have no idea if these pods can even move that amount of ore with stock thrusters lol

and amorphic is the variable geometry hold to allow some ores to overtake other slots capacity right?

[prime flame]

yep, that's the variable cargo

[round roost]

tyty

time to go break something XD

@empty crystal the titan might break in half with these pods im cookin

[empty crystal]

I already make the Titan make concerning sounds when my cargo hold and containers are full

so it'll be fine

[round roost]

XD

[round roost]

oh yeah, im loving this setup i got XD. new thrusters tested wonderfully. a bit crazy on the thermal draw but otherwise very stronk, so i think its a nice balance on them.

[prime flame]

good name for a titan

[round roost]

oh i know! i had to buy her when the name rolled

ok i may have just made racing engines by accident lmao.

[hasty venture]

@round roost heyo heyo, so after using the 4 varients, what do you think needs to be changed/feedback

[round roost]

the speed was lacking.
it seemed to crowd onto a single chunk at times
it was more focused on close range chunks and basically never used its max range

[hasty venture]

well, speed was lacking for all of them?

[round roost]

it felt like it yes. though that might be cause of the deca drones spoiling me

[hasty venture]

probs

damnit lol

[empty crystal]

I mean, nothing beats 10+ drone streams on 1-2 mounts especially if those drone streams are stronger than vanilla

[hasty venture]

oh lord

I feel this is starting to get complex

[round roost]

oh?

[hasty venture]

im try to make it one to one

with the on Za'krin did but uh

idk if there's going to be conflicts

idk if im doing this right or not

ahhhhhh

ugh this feels to forgien to me on how they did it ahhhh

[round roost]

i found out today that what i was doing. (making multiple tscn files for each variant) is ONE way to do it. but you could just reference the drone plant.tscn multiple times in the weaponslot.tscn and have all of the changes be there instead lol

which is how zakrin did it

[empty crystal]

So multi-drones bases it's drone variants off of that multi-drone-plant.tscn, and puts it's variants into the WeaponSlotUpgrade.tscn instead of Upgrades

[round roost]

let me triple check that

i may have spouted the wrong file it uses

[empty crystal]

so any multi-drone variants you want to do you'd inherit from the multi-drone-plant.tscn and you can either do it the way Za'krin did via the WeaponSlotUpgrade.tscn, or do it the way you've been doing your drone variants

Za'krin's method is a little bit more elegant

[round roost]

this one. weaponslot.tscn. (mine has been reduced to ONLY the decadrone)

[empty crystal]

ah yes, WeaponSlot.tscn as well, his does WeaponSlot.tscn and WeaponSlotUpgrade.tscn

[hasty venture]

will the weaponslotupgrade.tscn overwrite my other ones or no?

[empty crystal]

I think if you mix the two structures it might, but I'm not 100% sure

[empty crystal]

I do think it results in load order issues with other mods depending on which is loaded first, so mixing the two methods of adding equipment in the same mod might cause some issues

[round roost]

thats all he did for the slotupgradeui

with this system name.
SYSTEM_DND_DECAHAUL

[hasty venture]

ok so don't do it?

cuz then I gotta redo everything

ughhhhhhhhhhhh

this is giving me pain

idk what im doing now

[empty crystal]

my brain is too frazzled to explain things now, but if you want tomorrow I can do up a quick version that adds Za'krin's example the way your drones are already done, so that way you don't have to try and wrap your head around exactly the same method Za'krin used

[hasty venture]

wait do I even need the multi-drone-plat.tscn?? im looking at weaponslot.tscn and it looks like its not needed

[hasty venture]

oh okthanks then

[empty crystal]

like really you'd just be making your new multi-drones using the multi-drone-plant.tscn instead of drone-plant.tscn

[hasty venture]

cuz im just confusing myself

I'll just igrone it and do it how I been doing it then?

in this case I just inherited the multidrone scene?

[empty crystal]

you can ignore the way Za'krin added the multi-drone variants yes

the important part is that you base your multi-drone variants off of the multi-drone-plant.tscn and have the ProcessHandler.gd

[round roost]

yeah dont worry with what i said. your way works just as well

[empty crystal]

like you can definitely reference multi-drones as it is to get an idea of how the multi-drone stuff works and what needs to be set and all that, but ye, don't need to add the drones to the game the same way he did

his method is more streamlined and elegant, but no sense in switching structures part way through lol

[hasty venture]

do I need anything else more or

this ok

[empty crystal]

you may need to reload the project, so save any open scenes you have that you may have changed and want to make sure get saved

and then go up top and click the project button I think, there should be an option to reload the current project

that should fix it I think?

Sometimes godot gets weird about stuff it's imported or something? duno

[hasty venture]

more like me copy and pasting lol

yeah seems ok

idk

I feel like either im missing something or just keep going

[empty crystal]

Yeah, I think godot just got weird about the file being imported to the project

as long as you have the files from Multi-drone, you have everything

and you technically don't even need WeaponSlotUpgrade.tscn except for at most some reference

[hasty venture]

ok just keep doing what I been doing

[empty crystal]

yep, just use multi-drone-plant.tscn as your inherited scene for your multi-drone variants and add them the way you have been and you'll be good

when you get to the part where you want to set how many drones your multi-drones have, it's just a simple change of a script variable in the editor for "Drone Amount"

[hasty venture]

gotcha

[empty crystal]

Ye, Za'krin made it really really simple and really approachable to work with

he just also happened to showcase a mroe elegant way to add equipment to the game that you could use in the future if you wanted to

the way he did it though, does come with the need to be loaded before mods like yours or mine (which isn't a big deal, nor is it even an issue you need to worry about, cause you aren't worrying about how Za'krin added them to the game, since the way you add to the game is perfectly valid too)

[hasty venture]

would need to be heavily reworked then

[empty crystal]

yeah, it's not worth trying to switch to how he did it at this current point imo

you have 90% of the work done for what you wanted already in your mod

[round roost]

^ ye

save it for the next mod you make

[empty crystal]

5% is doing the multi-drone variants you want to do, and the other 5% is the translation files additions for those

blam, done

[hasty venture]

yep yep

I need to get v1 out then worry about a balance fix then reworking

[empty crystal]

Could just part out the "Parts Pack" into "Drone Parts Pack" and then like "Cargo Container Parts Pack" too so if in the future you want to change the structure, you don't have to go back and rework the drones structure

cause again, ain't nothing wrong with the way I taught you how to do things

gets the job done the same, just with a liiiil bit more work, and a liiiiil bit more file size

🤣

[hasty venture]

yeee

but uh

[empty crystal]

but it's dV mods, they're fuckin tiny as it is

[hasty venture]

now I can't rename the folder

[empty crystal]

🤣

[hasty venture]

so im fucked

[empty crystal]

huh

[hasty venture]

I can't rename my mod folder

[empty crystal]

try closing the editor and then renaming it via the file system and then boot the editor back up

or maybe it's angry if you have any of those scenes currently open in the editor while trying to rename the folder they're open in?

I dunno

[round roost]

if the file folder is open in explorer it does that

i also found out that for some reason when i rename my mod folders it seems to break a file with the "unexpected end of file" error. dont know if that is just me or not

[hasty venture]

yep fixed it now

[empty crystal]

I think it has to do with inheriting things and those paths changing unexpectedly

[round roost]

yeah probably

[hasty venture]

oh fuck

FUCK

I can't open weaponslot.tscn

reee

wait

saved it via VSC

file pathing issue

no idea if I should be concerned or not

it wasn't like that before

[round roost]

idk what im looking at

[hasty venture]

its this but that super small

[devout peak]

that is weird

[empty crystal]

maybe you were just zoomed hella far out?, or maybe changing the folder names and stuff made it angry?

I'm not very useful 😅

[hasty venture]

maybe? but idk

would it be affected? cuz I mean, it doesn't show on the ship anyways

its like hidden

[empty crystal]

It does show on the ship, they're just generally mounted in spots that aren't super obvious, especially on the titan

[devout peak]

the fact that the zoom scaling has a difference of only 11 or so percent between the two screenshots would make me think it's an issue with the scaling of the drone hub

[hasty venture]

oh boy

[devout peak]

i don't really look at equipment tcsns much, is there a scale value that might be affecting it?

[hasty venture]

no, and the rest of the models are ok

just this is like

ded

[devout peak]

bizarre

[hasty venture]

uh

yeah idk

why its doing that

[round roost]

my version doesnt even display that model in game

[hasty venture]

huh

something happened with region

well its fixed now

right I think its ready

[round roost]

wooo

[hasty venture]

testing now

also rebalanced along with tug power

I think I need to change here

cuz its only doing 1?

[empty crystal]

you set it here

[hasty venture]

Ah

[empty crystal]

in the drone's script variables panel

but yes, you set it to the number of streams you want it to have

you don't need to use Multi-drone-plant for drones you only plant to have do single drone streams though

[hasty venture]

ofc ofc

hmm do I need to patch current target bias

@empty crystal have you tried it?

[empty crystal]

so as Za'krin explained, and I'm probably going to explain worse

the target bias is basically how likely it is to stick to a target it's working on when it re-scans for another target

so if you don't patch that it, it's just regular 'ole vanilla behavior

if you do patch it in, there's a value you can tweak up higher in the script variables panel

[hasty venture]

ah yeah no thats not good

[empty crystal]

it's defaulted to 5

[hasty venture]

I need to patch it then cuz its hitting the same

[empty crystal]

nono

not at all what that does

[hasty venture]

OH

[empty crystal]

Sanbus prevents them from targeting the same thing as it is

Target bias is basically how likely it is to stay working on a single piece of ore instead of retargeting another piece of ore

[hasty venture]

gotcha

[empty crystal]

so it has the potential to prevent the drones from slipping off of targets they otherwise might, but it also has the potential to cause the drones to not go after targets you'd otherwise expect, because they're busy working on something deemed more important by the bias

you definitely don't need it though, since default behavior for drones doesn't include it

[hasty venture]

right right

[hasty venture]

https://github.com/Nishikawa-Technologies-Corporation/NTCED-Delta-V-Mod/releases/tag/1.0.0

preview release is up

[empty crystal]

pogggg

[hasty venture]

ok, im open to all kinds of feedback, atm I will work on rebalancing later on after hearing how it feels

[empty crystal]

I'll probably give it whirl tomorrow, but my personal suggestion to you, balance it how you want it to be balanced

end users are almost always going to have some level of differing opinions on balance, so it's best to start with what you feel is best for it, and then if you find that there tends to be a general consensus with users of your mod on a particular point of tuning or whatever, you can work off of that

at least that's kinda my approach to balance with my stuff anyway

[hasty venture]

atm, I opened some points I want for rebalancing which is the mass

and I need to find the velocity converation value

[empty crystal]

I've been rocking like 300-400 haul velocity, with like 30 tug power, and the drone weight halved, which has been really enjoyable

I'm not sure what the exact conversion is, but I assssume 300 is 30m/s

might be off on that

[hasty venture]

gonna see and all

[empty crystal]

the important thing is to not crank tug power and haul velocity too hard, go too far with it and the drones become incapable of actually gathering ore in a stable way, as Kadaire already found out 🤣

also on the note of balancing, I think personally, balancing it through power usage and drone consumption is probably the better route instead of worrying about Mass, I'd probably just do the same mass as the rest of the drone options, or like 100-200kg heavier, but nothing crazy in extra weight

[round roost]

1000 is too much

250 is borderline good

a tiny bit janky but doesnt drift much

[empty crystal]

30-50 is probably more reasonable for lower tier options that are still better than vanilla, gives them way more ability to tug on heavy ore, and combined with like 300-400 haul velocity, they move around pretty quick too, without creating a ton of dangerous projectiles

[hasty venture]

still need to figure out tug power conversion value :v

[round roost]

i think its Kilo newtons

so 100 might be 10Kn

10 would be 1kn

[hasty venture]

hmm

and not newton meters?

[round roost]

its a measure of pulling force

not distance or speed.

[hasty venture]

ah

well I can wait and see waht Hev says

[round roost]

no worries

[hasty venture]

Imma have a referance page on my repo

[round roost]

niiice

[hasty venture]

its in my issues so ye

[hasty venture]

also you know newton meters is mesure of torque right? So I thought Nm was meant torque force

[round roost]

XD i was not thinking on force for that no.

[hasty venture]

lmfao

[round roost]

its also 2am >.> and im working on 5 hours sleep lol

[hasty venture]

fair enough

I been rested so im just here

doing things

[round roost]

noice

[hasty venture]

now to foucs on expanding lore stuff :3

[hasty venture]

probs good now to be added to the main wiki of the game

[hasty venture]

idk if its just me but something funky going on with the dual drones

they aren't collecting as much as I thought

[hasty venture]

Feels like I'm missing something on the dual drones

[empty crystal]

I mean put 2 single stream drones on the ship, watch it only collect 2 piece of ore at a time

then put the dual drones on, if it grabs 4 pieces of ore, then well you know it works

[round roost]

I do feel that sometimes. I think the sanbus is slowing it down to avoid fighting over chunks

[empty crystal]

I feel like anything less than 10 drone streams is just underwhelming and wack when you've experienced 10+ drone streams

What I do is run 2x deca drones

and I set one of them to do 0 - 500m

and I set the other one to do 500-1000m

that makes it so 10 drones focus on the feeding and immediate surrounding area, and the other 10 drones focus on the further out stuff.

It's prooobably slightly less efficient for the feeding side of things, but with 20 drone streams, that part is less of a problem

[hasty venture]

Well like I said, feedback pls

[round roost]

Unfortunately I feel like the decadrones are just spoiling us lmao

[empty crystal]

4 individual vanilla drone streams was my benchmark on a titan, 2x dual launchers feels the same to me tbh (which is useable, but slow especially if you heavy mine an area and have a ton of ore around), 2x quad launchers is a wee bit better

but 2x Deca launchers, really does, tickles that brain, so many drones, so much ore capability

I've kicked around the idea of trying out the "Dodeca" launcher I setup which is 20 drone streams, but I haven't been able to bring myself to do it, for fear I will not be able to go back

[round roost]

i admit the same

but i was looking at 200 or 250 drone systems

[hasty venture]

Y'all two been spoiled

[round roost]

absolutely

[empty crystal]

indeed

I think the lowest I could go without feeling underwhelmed anymore is probably 5 drone streams per launcher

at least if I'm limited to only 2 drone mounts that is

if I only have 2 slots for drones, I really like them being 10x, if I have more slots to work with for drones, I can vibe with lower drone streams

[hasty venture]

ye

we need more ships

very more

[round roost]

idk if i can do "more ships". i can probably do "more ship variants" tho

[hasty venture]

ye I mean that

make a bigger and modded Titan

do what the british did

[empty crystal]

have you used the current TitanXL?

[empty crystal]

it's glorious

[hasty venture]

K-Tech Industrial be like

[round roost]

lmao

i actually named my "Big-Block" MPDG series after the chevy Big-Block XD

the smaller versions were just "Lore excuses" for the naming scheme

and also because the early game has some power gap issues

[hasty venture]

what is it, British?

[round roost]

lolwhat?

[hasty venture]

the company lol

[round roost]

oh no. but they are based on mars. so they constantly have to hear the nonstop droning of Elon interstellars "accomplishments"

[hasty venture]

but uh

how does it feel with my v1 mod?

[round roost]

i havent even loaded the game today. im writing lore lmao

[hasty venture]

imma cook lore next week

[round roost]

go for it. you worked hard af on the stats.

ive spent most of the day writing lore and stats.

[hasty venture]

I need to expand on company lore ngl

also markdown is a pain in the ass to work with sometimes

[round roost]

i dont even know markdown. im just copying some of the stuff yall have been doing lmao

[hasty venture]

lololol

[north wigeon]

i have a slight problem, the drones barely work, they only do something if its in like a 10m radius of where its installed and tuning does nothing. am i missing something? i have tested without all other mods except save edit

[round roost]

@hasty venture

[round roost]

she might be at work, i will pop the mod on and test it as well.

which drone system was this with?

[north wigeon]

any of them

the vanilla drones worked fine but not the modded ones

[round roost]

ok. i will test as well. i never personally used this mod but rena is good so i trust she will fix it asap

[hasty venture]

which did you adjust

[round roost]

was this with V0.5.0 or V1.0

[north wigeon]

V1.0

[hasty venture]

ngl, should've made V1 lastest but its a preview build

[north wigeon]

what do you mean?

[round roost]

about to load up and test it

[hasty venture]

Was it the deacceleration radius or the proximity?

[north wigeon]

the general range

[hasty venture]

I found that if you max deacceleration to the highest, it has a stroke and does nothing

[north wigeon]

it did not send out drones until it was very close to the actual drone sending thing

[hasty venture]

if lowered it works but it sounds like its not doing great at all

[north wigeon]

no i didint tune it at all

[hasty venture]

oh huh

hmm

I may need Za'krin to help on this one

[round roost]

i will post video of my test as well to assist

[north wigeon]

tell me if u would need a vid from me too

[hasty venture]

thank you

[hasty venture]

it would be helpful yes

I'll investigate it, I thought something was off....

[round roost]

running TWO of the the top end 5M model

[empty crystal]

Are your non-multi drone variants using the drone-plant.patch script Za'krin cooked up? Cause that might be why they aren't working if you didn't

[round roost]

they seem to be fighting over which ore to go after?

i did ZERO tuning to these. whatever its stock install is what its using

also what tug power did you use? im guessing higher than 200 based on how the chunks are jerking around at times

just found an interesting... bug. buying the 5M costs 5M but switching back to empty only refunds 250K

same with the 3M.
i suspect the other variants also only refund 250K

[north wigeon]

what do yall use to record? my clip became almost 300mb xd

[round roost]

i use OBS in very short bursts of 15 to 20 seconds

[north wigeon]

geforce experience uses about 30mb for a 15 second clip at the lowest settings

[round roost]

ah yeah let me see... try lowering the bitrate in the geforce settings.

i have not used Geforce experience in ages. but that might do the trick

[north wigeon]

it was at the lowest

[round roost]

oh dang

uhhh

[north wigeon]

imma try obs

[hasty venture]

I didn't mess with the refunding thing, I gotta fix it

[round roost]

what resolution is it recording at

[north wigeon]

720

[round roost]

dang thats crazy file bloat lol

have you used OBS before?

[hasty venture]

tbh, I thought I did

[north wigeon]

barely

[round roost]

if you need help getting it to record DV let me know

[north wigeon]

it kind of works but only in a straight line now

[hasty venture]

the milspec should be pulling super fast ngl with the adjusted tug values

[north wigeon]

o

[hasty venture]

its powerful but also not too powerful-

don't do mkv

then we need VLC to watch it lol

do MP4

[north wigeon]

ok gimme a sec

[hasty venture]

or MP4 hybird idk

sorry, at work so im just like AHHHHHH

[round roost]

DHMOD is using multi drone plant.gd
DHHC is using multi drone plant.gd

EHCDRONE is using drone-plant .patch.gd
XLEHCDrone is using drone-plant .patch.gd
PMDrone is using drone-plant .patch.gd
PEXTMDrone is using drone-plant patch.gd.

[north wigeon]

it only works in a straight line

sometimes

[round roost]

oh that is weird

[north wigeon]

i got 2 of them too

[round roost]

its prioritizing dragging chunks into the bay over pulling in distant chunks.

try closing the bay?

[north wigeon]

nothing happens when i close it

[round roost]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-15819456627234943636

also for using the KTI titan

[north wigeon]

only if the chunk is basicly touching my ship

[round roost]

❤️ XD

[north wigeon]

yeah the kti titan is a beast

[round roost]

hmm. let me see if this is a mod load order conflict

[round roost]

.> casually watches everything in VLC....

so the titan loads in at priority 9. the drones load in at 0. that should be fine.

which version of the drone did you run south? i wanna test it again with the same module

[north wigeon]

i use more minerals and realistic minerals if that affects it

[north wigeon]

the XLE harvester

[round roost]

oh hmm. i wonder if it does. i will have to grab those for testing

if its not a bother can you send the mineral mods here?

[north wigeon]

sure

[round roost]

i dont have them saved

ty

[round roost]

tyty

[round roost]

if those MTR thrusters give you trouble try the "MPR" instead

loading with mineral mods to test

[hasty venture]

seems right and its using Za'krin's updated patch

[round roost]

so the DH and DHCC are not supposed to be using the plant patch?

[hasty venture]

yeah, cuz they are the multi drones

[north wigeon]

heres the ingame simulation

[hasty venture]

you know, Dual Harvester and Dual Hybrid Harvester?

[hasty venture]

tbh, the sim idk why it doesn't work but in a dive it just works

I have no idea about the sim tbh

unless someone got a anwser and I overlooked it

[round roost]

i will check on the sim thing in a moment

[hasty venture]

ngl, I doubt I would be able to work on it tonight, I might crash after work since im on red bull and lack of sleep

and I fucking cut myself on a few metal stuff reeeeeeeeeee

[round roost]

its a compatibility issue with the minerals mods

@hasty venture

[hasty venture]

oh shit?

maybe there is a patching issue with it

[round roost]

the drones only pull minerals when they have "unmarked" checked off

[hasty venture]

hmm wierd

[round roost]

with this setup the drones will only go after chunks in the loading zone. and VERY close.

if i turn off unmarked for the drones, they just dont work

[hasty venture]

wowie

that's something I didn't foresee

well tbh, you would think it would work normally even after adding more ores

does the mod affect the drones in any way?

[round roost]

im not sure tbh

i will have to delve into the gd files for that

[hasty venture]

yeah ok

yeesh, well, there are a few issues then, both normal and other compatitiy stuff

[round roost]

ok so that upload broke...

0 seconds for anyone else?

[hasty venture]

no it works

[round roost]

odd

but ok

[hasty venture]

discord being discord

[round roost]

yup

[north wigeon]

how u got so many lasers?

[round roost]

what version of the titan do you have?

[north wigeon]

kti, but are they modded or vanilla lasers

[round roost]

right i never put a version number on the thing lmao. one sec

[empty crystal]

#1290521990834163753

[empty crystal]

if you want the fun party lasers Kad's using

[north wigeon]

adding that mod immediately

[round roost]

new version of the KTI titan dropped this morning on my github which fixes the arms tucking stuff into the cargopod zones. and should have the 4 laser mounts

[round roost]

they are power thirsty. i suggest my bigblock MPDG mod on github as well lol

[empty crystal]

you can also de-tune them, they still work pretty damn well a lowest power, and if you run 4 of them you're only drawing ~450mw or so

but ye, they're spicy

it'll pull closer to 900mw with default tuning though

at least with 4 of them

[round roost]

so anyway @north wigeon sorry to say the drone mod is currently not gonna work with the more minerals and realistic minerals mods for now

im going to test if thats the case for any drone mod in a moment

[north wigeon]

yeah its unfortunate but i think i'll remove the mineral mods and see which mod i wanna go with for now

[round roost]

her drones work pretty solid with normal minerals

my first testing video was using that and they did a decent job. not super crazy but much longer range than default

unfortunately @hasty venture your drones mod is the compatibility issue for more/realistic minerals

[empty crystal]

did you try tweaking load priorities?

[round roost]

not yet. thats my next test

minerals mods at -10 -9. rena is loading at 0.

actually i might not need to.
my drones are loading at.. -50 its a load order

@hasty venture load your mod at like -1000 lol. that should prevent issues with minerals mods

[hasty venture]

Womp womp

[round roost]

check newer

lol

[hasty venture]

Oh-

My eyes hurt

[empty crystal]

it's a simple load order deal

you're good dawg

[north wigeon]

still does not work even without the mineral mods

[round roost]

im about to retest with the NTCED pack

[hasty venture]

Sweet Christmas, I swear something funky is going on

[round roost]

the fu... can we get a full mod list from you? im gonna have to do a ton of testing to see if its something of mine not playing nice

[round roost]

ok so everything i have except the ERM420. nice

[north wigeon]

erm is there

[round roost]

wait that says parts pack 050

your NTCED is the wrong version

[north wigeon]

i might have downloaded wrong

[round roost]

https://github.com/Nishikawa-Technologies-Corporation/NTCED-Delta-V-Mod/releases/tag/1.0.0
get this one

@hasty venture change that prerelease on your github lol

south was using V050

[round roost]

have you ever modified a mod priority before btw?

[hasty venture]

Wil ldo lol

[north wigeon]

no

i have v1.0 now but the drones dont show up, only vanilla

[round roost]

now that. is ODD as hell. im using 1.0 and they show...

I will do a short tutorial its simple to change mod loading order

[round roost]

it might be a loading issue. let me test it again

by default the NTCED pack loads at 0 priority. so its first to load. the titan loads at 9 in the list.

im going to set mine to -50. and see if it loads properly

testing first. exactly as the mods come. to see if i have the same issues with them not spawning

load order priority is fun to trouble shoot 😄

[north wigeon]

what are these 2

[round roost]

the top one is Digitalbarritos Lasers that he linked you earlier

the second one is a mod that reduces the eagle grinder noise

[north wigeon]

o i meant better refining sorry

[round roost]

Better refining lets you tweak how ALL MPUs run in the game with a text editor

for example my basic rusatom MPU is running at 190% efficiency on minerals and remass. AND prints drones

[north wigeon]

thats insane

[round roost]

absolutely is. i use it for testing

you can change the efficiency % in a text file in the mod itself

[north wigeon]

190% remass is bonkers, i am good around 20 to 30%

where can i download it

[round roost]

i was doing some stupid things with my thrusters at one point 😛

better refining is... let me go find it

https://gitlab.com/Delta-V-Modding/Mods/-/tree/main/mods/BetterRefining?ref_type=heads
this one is confirmed to work.

there are other mods on there that may or may not work

they are all super old.

[north wigeon]

thank you, will play around with that in a while

[round roost]

no worries. you will need to modify the files inside that zip file tho

just so you are aware of that

i cannot find the reason your drone mod is not loading D:

[hasty venture]

Nani

[round roost]

south cant see your drones loading

at all

[hasty venture]

How the hell

[round roost]

here #1290925501250273343 message

[hasty venture]

Weird, cuz I downloaded mine right from GitHub and works fine for me directly, I made sure 100%

[round roost]

same for me

even with all my strange mod loading orders

[round roost]

did you remove your modding wiki corporation entry?

[north wigeon]

thing is if i add the 0.5 version with the 1.0 the drones show up but 2 times

[round roost]

so the 1.0 only loads if the 0.5.0 mod is in the folder with it?

[north wigeon]

yes

[round roost]

why is that even a thing lmao

not blaming you.

[hasty venture]

No?

Why do you ask?

[round roost]

i dont see it up there

[hasty venture]

Uh what

[round roost]

https://delta-v.kodera.pl/index.php/Modding#Mods_&_Repositories here right?

or am i stupid lol

[hasty venture]

OH, YOU MEANT THE GAME'S

Yeah no Hev said they didn't have time

[round roost]

ah gotcha

[north wigeon]

tried validating the files for if it would help

🙃

[round roost]

i mean. go for it i hope it does

i cant find any reason for the mods to conflict or not load

[round roost]

I even tried the mineral mods again. and it loads fine

[prime flame]

i haven't specifically tested it, but i cannot come up with a reason why the drones would conflict with the minerals

[round roost]

its a load order issue. they need to load before the minerals

then they work fine

my guess would be.

the drones load after the mineral mods.
this overwrites what ores are in the list.

the drones load before the minerals
the mineralmods add themselves to the minerals list.

[prime flame]

the drones don't care what minerals are

[round roost]

odd then

all i know is a -50 mod load priority works.
a 0 priority doesnt

[north wigeon]

imma try ONLY this mod with saveedit

[round roost]

hmm good idea.

[prime flame]

save edit literally only affects the main menu

[north wigeon]

no drones

no drones again on a fresh save

[prime flame]

saveedit + NTCED

[empty crystal]

Are you downloading the release zip or the source code zip?

[north wigeon]

i do that one

[empty crystal]

yeah, that's incorrect

[north wigeon]

whats the correct then

[empty crystal]

https://github.com/Nishikawa-Technologies-Corporation/NTCED-Delta-V-Mod/releases/tag/1.0.0

go to that link, and click this link

and then drag and drop that zip file you download into your mods folder

You've been downloading the entire repository as a zip file and dropping that in your mods folder

[north wigeon]

thank you!
seems that was the problem, it even fixed the drone behavior

[prime flame]

the drones require a specific file path

and using the wrong zip prevented it from finding that file

[hasty venture]

that explains alot

[round roost]

thank you digi. im out here crying as i painstakingly modify EVERY weapon slot on ALL my ships

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[hasty venture]

lmfao

im home and sane

[round roost]

almost there. just got this slog to go through

[north wigeon]

so are raw files good or is it the same kind of link i need to click on

[hasty venture]

don't download the raw files since it won't have the correct pathing

you gotta download from the release and all it is, is drag and drop minus modifing load order and you are good

[empty crystal]

and most of the time you don't even need to touch the load order

[hasty venture]

most of the time

[round roost]

this is ALL a mod should look like inside the zip file

single folder that holds the mod

side note. this is why i uploaded my mods as the actual zip files instead of the loose folder.
since it downloads the mod clean and ready to throw in the mod folder

[empty crystal]

well the releases section for Rena's and my repo have the "just click the button and get the drag and drop mod" thing going on

it really is just down to how familiar end-users are with using Github tbh

[round roost]

fair i suppose

[north wigeon]

ye i rarely use github

[empty crystal]

some people have only ever experienced repos where you just download the raw files and you're good to go, others have prepared releases, others do zips you grab as raw from within the repo structure

it all varies

[round roost]

im a github noob. i only recently learned how to download stuff from it. so i uploaded in a new to github friendly way XD

[hasty venture]

tbh, this is my professional repo/org

[north wigeon]

where do i download your jet lab and shipyard mods, i can only find the button for raw file

[round roost]

https://github.com/Kadaire/K-Tech-Industrial-of-Mars/tree/Main/K-Tech Industrial Jet Propulsion Labs
each mod is the zip file at the top

https://github.com/Kadaire/K-Tech-Industrial-of-Mars/tree/Main/K-Tech Industrial Shipyards

the folders can be clicked to open. OR the blue text will lead to the page

then just click the zipfile you want

i guess i made my github just as hard to use as everyone elses XD

[north wigeon]

then?

[round roost]

odd it doesnt do that on my end. one moment

[round roost]

im dumb. lol.

right click the zip file.
"save content as"

[north wigeon]

thank you!🙏

[round roost]

np

but yeah all my mods are packed separate so you can pick what you want to install. no need for a huge single file mod that doesnt work with others

[hasty venture]

well, at least no bugs... yet besides resale

[round roost]

yeah even my main torch and RCS resale is wrong. gotta fix that. not sure how yet

[hasty venture]

probs has to do with the repair value

cuz its at 250,000 so yeah

[devout peak]

i'll get to it soon i promise!

guess i don't have too much going on i'll get some of it done rn

while i'm at it, i'll start with this package since it was mentioned

[devout peak]

ok added this and K-Tech

[round roost]

oooh ty

my company lore is stupid barebones. but ty ty anyway

[devout peak]

i've only added a basic description for the time being, but certainly will write an abridged version when it's more complete

[round roost]

sounds good

i might try making some cheaper entry level nanodrone storage. cause damn the jump from 1k storage to 5k is crazy

but maybe not we shall see

[north wigeon]

i kid you not on my morning commute i was so tired i did that microsleep thing where you close your eyes n you dream or sum, in my dream i was playing DV, AND MY FUCKING DRONES WERE NOT WORKING

[hasty venture]

LMFAO

[hasty venture]

@prime flame whenever you aren't dead, the multi drone patch should prevent x number of launchers from targeting the same ore correct?

From my gameplay, it seems to be that they are targeting the same ore instead of separate ores

Maybe I'm blind

[prime flame]

they really should not target the same ore, but i'm not sure what version you're using

though, as far as i can recall, every version should have independant targeting

(except repair drones, which only ever have one valid target)

[hasty venture]

I used your lastest one you gave out

[prime flame]

which one is targeting the same ore

[hasty venture]

I think my dual haulers labeled as DHMOD and DHHC

I might need to clip it when I can

[empty crystal]

I think I need to go through my mods and not test this with 30 other things cause they straight up don't want to act like drones at all

[hasty venture]

Yeahhh

[prime flame]

quick glance indicates that you have the minEnergyToTarget parameter set to 100, when vanilla haul drones are at 1

basically they never activate unless there is an extreme velocity difference

[empty crystal]

now is there any paticular reason this would make Godot angry? because I can't open a single file from this... and I literally just downloaded it from Github

I'm still waking up, take it out of the nested folder probably?

[prime flame]

try removing the top folder layer

yea

[hasty venture]

OH

WEL THATS A OVERSIGHT

Time to hot fix it with 1.0.1

Thank you Za'krin

[hasty venture]

https://github.com/Nishikawa-Technologies-Corporation/NTCED-Delta-V-Mod/releases/tag/1.0.1

Hotfix is now out

[round roost]

😄

[empty crystal]

turns out a value of 100 for min to target makes drones suck, hard

[hasty venture]

yep, very

[empty crystal]

and now that I think about it, I think that was part of what I kept changing in my working copy of your mod when we were trying to figure out why it wasn't working originally too, like before multi-drones were added in

I think it had the same value of 100 and I tweaked mine to 1 and it was working, but I didn't realize that was something I was doing differently at that time

[hasty venture]

yeeeeee

massive oversight

[empty crystal]

it's all good

[hasty venture]

ngl, imma start cooking on 1.1.0 rebalance and cook 1.5.0 equipment addons

[round roost]

good luck on the turbines and AUX modules.

[hasty venture]

how much of a pain were they

[round roost]

ships seem to have a hard limit on top end power output

[hasty venture]

womp womp

[round roost]

the big-block is the highest output i could get to work

[hasty venture]

Titan and OCP special then

[round roost]

ship variants?

go for it

[hasty venture]

well no but rather breaking said limits

there's probably soemthing to up the limit without making a variant

[round roost]

if there is, i couldnt find it

[hasty venture]

I will use more redbull to find it

[round roost]

ship capacitor looks to be hard limited in the ship files

[hasty venture]

Im abusing redbull now, my B12 intake is gonna be highhhhhh

[hasty venture]

and you try changing it?

[round roost]

im gonna. soon

as a test

i wanna change some other stuff first. then i need to make a new mpdg at a higher output to test it with

[hasty venture]

oki

if we can override vanilla ships with their modded vanilla caps, then it works

tho then it sorta breaks other ships tho

oh no

[round roost]

if im right. stock ships just wouldnt show the item purchasable. but idk

once i finish fixing some stuff i will test the capacitor thing

[hasty venture]

oki

lmk how it goes

[sweet grail]

Tinkering with this. The dual haulers seem to have a VERY close targeting range regardless of any other factor.

Like, I think it might even be engaging only with the proximity buffer around my Titan (120m), it's that close.

[hasty venture]

hmm, just the MOD one or

[sweet grail]

That's the only one I tested just now, though I had a long range system highlighted for a moment, and didn't immediately see an effect. It was noticable in the equipment sim.

[hasty venture]

have you tried it in a dive?

ngl, Im so hyped to get the 950m dual haulers and just nom all the ores

[sweet grail]

I did.

But the sims are showing the same behavior. Though in fairness, I threw the bootleg industries mods in at the same time to test stuff. Let me rip those out and see.

[hasty venture]

weird

only Bootleg I got is the lasers

cuz DHMOD it only goes to 400M

with slight adjustment of power, pull force, and other values to make it slightly better but not too crazy. Maybe it's not that noticable?

[sweet grail]

Yeah, even alone, it's so close range it can push some things toward that collection spot in front of you, but it won't reach out to pull them back.

[hasty venture]

weird :/

I do recall that we were gonna leave default vanilla SANBUS just for ease

idk tho

[sweet grail]

The SANBUS did just get an update . . . ooooooh, to make drones and companions respect the SANBUS if you were using the GOT drone. Let me switch drones.

That didn't fix it.

Huh.

[hasty venture]

wait, you on experimental branch or no?

[sweet grail]

Yeah.

[hasty venture]

ik im on experimental branch but mod was built on the release branch

or main branch

hmm

lemme see a video of what you are talking about

[sweet grail]

They're both the same thing, essentially, experiemental is just a vew updates ahead.

[hasty venture]

right right

I know 1.62.xx has the new drone behovior but if anything, that means it gets applied to the modded drones

or it should I think

you are on 1.0.1 right?

of my mod?

[sweet grail]

Huh. I swear I downloaded it this exact morning, but the filename says 1.0.0.

[hasty venture]

oh weird

cuz I released 1.0.1 which is a hotfix which makes it work properly

idk what time your morning is lol

could've been before I uploaded my hotfix

[sweet grail]

Would have been 12 hours ago, ish, so after the 17 hour release date. Just a tired old man shaking his fist at the clouds, I guess.

[hasty venture]

XD

all gud

give it a whirl with that and lmk

also open for suggestions and all of that

Got a rebalancing update I plan to do so any feedback on that is gud

[sweet grail]

Yeah, looking better.

My drone suggestions are usually around the same veins of thought. Hardpoint-based manufactory, voyager alternate. Drone based ice breakdown.

A manufactory, dual drone launcher, and drone icebreaker, and you can fully drone the rings.

Sometimes I want to modify the drone haul pattern to eliminate the deceleration zone, since I prefer not to use it and it can't be reduced to zero, but that seems like a complex task.

[round roost]

i tried the manufactory thing but didnt get anywhere with it

out of my skill range currently. but i love the idea

[sweet grail]

I'd like to say ice-moving drones, actually. Eliminate the 'devour things' part of the pattern for them. (Treat the excavator as always closed.) It's ridiculous to imagine that drones could significantly move ice. But grinding ring ice apart against other chunks of ring ice is just fun-sounding.

Just a physics toy.

[empty crystal]

The yeet protocol function of Advanced Drones makes for a really fun improvised kinetic physics weapon/mining tool

[sweet grail]

Yeet protocol is using the ARM to throw things it's set not to accept, yeh?

At least, that's what I once heard it described as. Loooong time ago.

[prime flame]

how do you imagine the targeting to work, how would you want the ice to be moved?

[empty crystal]

Yeet Protocol is the drones throwing away anything in it's range that doesn't pass the filter check

it's glorious

[sweet grail]

Honestly? Same way ore is moved. Just move the crush zone a little further out. As ice hits each other, begins to break, ore drones try to yank the ore out.

Icemover like that, some ore drones, a manufactory hardpoint, and the rings become a playground. 🙂

( by a little further out, I mean probably 150 meters further out.)

(Which I THINK is about a 300M range.)

[prime flame]

yeah, all the tools for that are there pretty much. Would basically be combining kinetic drones targeting with the haul drone desired velocity.

(minus slamming it into your ship)

[sweet grail]

Also, no loading protocol when you open the excavator. Only problem is the kinetic push from drones would need amping.

Not really a problem, just a number, but it is a detail.

[hasty venture]

nani? I thought you could make it 0m in tuning

[prime flame]

vanilla drones can actually push around the smaller chunks a decent amount, but for the larger chunks for sure

[sweet grail]

Nope. You can ALMOST eliminate it, but there's always a little spot just outside the proximity buffer. Sometimes you can get rid of most of it with a small buffer. But with a titan's 120m buffer, it's noticable.

As for kinetic drones, they'd be more useful if they respected max range - don't want to free all the ore at the very limit of ore drone range.

[hasty venture]

ahhhhh

[sweet grail]

I usually modulate the deceleration zone to minimize it. But with large buffers, it's always big enough to notice. The opposite option is to max it out, so all the ore is slow, but at least it behaves uniformly around you.

It starts where the proximity buffer ends, so you can't really overwrite it.

[sweet grail]

Maybe a ramp-up in power, as drones 'saturate' it and begin pushing harder until the propellant is exhausted? Just so you aren't slinging the small ones around like bullets.

[sweet grail]

Ah. There's a UI issue.

[hasty venture]

for the MIL-Spec?

[sweet grail]

Yeah, the length pushes the minimum value off screen.

I made a bad selection that doesn't actually show that clearly though.

[hasty venture]

OH

Yeah ok, might need to patch that with a slightly shorter name

[round roost]

yeah i truncated my item names to K-T Industrial "thing name here" and its still pushing it.

i might have to truncate down to KTI "thing name here"

[hasty venture]

@round roost how alive are you today

[round roost]

50/50

whats up

had a biiiig dinner

[round roost]

?

[hasty venture]

Ah, working on trying to see where the cap of power is on the vanilla ships

[round roost]

the bigblock was the highest i could go

[hasty venture]

theres gotta be a thing where it has the caps

[round roost]

eh?

you mean the adding an NDAP to the MDGP

[hasty venture]

if each ship has a max power generation, there has to be either a script that involes it or something

[round roost]

ohh that

yeah idk

[hasty venture]

wait

I think I found the script

im looking through it now