I forgot you updated that, and only the oddball ones don't work now
#Mod Development Discussion/Help
paper spade
hollow pewter
guess what i mean would be a checker between the mod's current version and a newer version of the mod at the initialization of the game, then prompts the user with a menu stating which mods are out of date and need to be updated, which if setup by the modder could be either a link to the mod's page or a prepackaged zip that the modloader would replace
paper spade
left grove
tying again to force dealer spawn
hollow pewter
guess what i mean would be a checker between the mod's current version and a new...
now that i've properly typed it out, it does seem like a lot actually
and would require a setup by the modder too
left grove
tying again to force dealer spawn
got one!
paper spade
I wish we had a way to enable and disable mods more easily, but that can wait 
neon yacht
now that i've properly typed it out, it does seem like a lot actually
it's one of those things that sounds really cool and totally possible. But i know that's just because i haven't tried it yet.
hollow pewter
lmao fair
left grove
its uh.. acting wierd lol.
setting the 225 to force spawn has forced ALL of them to spawn
hollow pewter
it's one of those things that sounds really cool and totally possible. But i kno...
i've seen it with the modloaders of other games, but i guess it would require a decent bit of work on your end, as well as a change to the way the modders handle their mods (which i suppose wouldn't be too much of an issue as you are using your own custom modloader, which is totally up to you how you want it to differ)
paper spade
if the self-updating was mostly slick and just using an in-built function of the modloader with like link pointing to the updates location, then that'd be easy enough for the average approaching modder to pick up, but anything more than that is probably gonna melt brains
and by probably, and brains, I mean it will and mine
hollow pewter
yeah that's fair, and that's pretty close to how i envisioned it to work anyhow
paper spade
like
func.Updater(latest: "link-to-latest-tag-on-github-orsomeshit.com")
or something
hollow pewter
something like that, the main issue i see is checking the version differences, but im sure there's a possibility on how
paper spade
at least that level of simple for the end-user, I can only imagine it's orders of magnitude more complicated for Za'krin's end
hollow pewter
yup
paper spade
something like that, the main issue i see is checking the version differences, b...
I'd imagine just adding a like version.txt with a line that has like lastest = vblahblah could be enough for the modder's side for diff checking
that of course, ZKYLoader would have to deal with
sorry Za'krin
hollow pewter
I'd imagine just adding a like `version.txt` with a line that has like `lastest ...
i suppose for cases like BLI where there's multiple mods, the version.txt file could contain the versions and pointers to every mod in the github, and the modloader already uses a package for unzipping mods so it could always rezip the necessary folders after downloading the full package and patch the installed mod(s)
neon yacht
yeah, i imagine the actual version checking would be quite easy, the hard part is downloading and replacing the mods without blowing up your computer if i make a funny mistake.
hollow pewter
i suppose the neat thing about github is that downloading the main zip is pretty consistent
paper spade
yeah, i imagine the actual version checking would be quite easy, the hard part i...
dank memes moment
neon yacht
it's soo good
unironically, if anyone wants to see new features, let me know. It's a loader for your mods after all
hollow pewter
lmao
neon yacht
i think that one's gonna stay fantasy for now
paper spade
it's a half joke but if ZKY could just brute force handling IoE it'd be gorgeous for everyone involved but Za'krin
neon yacht
so, i have half an idea on how to do stuff like that
paper spade
i think that one's gonna stay fantasy for now
And I cannot blame you, nor will I bother you about it 
neon yacht
actually, hev, this might pertain to the wiki somewhat
paper spade
I know you mentioned priorities for individual files earlier right?
hollow pewter
actually, hev, this might pertain to the wiki somewhat
i'm all ears
or, eyes, given it's text
neon yacht
i'm going to look into making a (probably not complete) list of the loading order of every file in the game.
that way mods can properly choose where in the order each component needs to be loaded
and theoretically, basically anything (barring direct code conflicts) should be compatible
hollow pewter
i see. i think that shouldn't be too hard to deal with, albeit a lot of info to sort through for both your and my ends
but yeah i'd be down to help with that, i can see it being very useful
neon yacht
yeah, i mean hopefully it won't be too bad for you, once i figure out how to properly make such a list, reformatting and whatnot should be fairly easy
paper spade
i'm going to look into making a (probably not complete) list of the loading orde...
Idea, wild one, but could this maybe be something Koder could put in as like a verbose logging option for the game it's self?
like have the log print out the load order of the game files it's self?
hollow pewter
yeah, i mean hopefully it won't be too bad for you, once i figure out how to pro...
i'm down. i'm going to jinx it by saying this, but it cannot be as bad as the achievements list
neon yacht
i'm down. i'm going to jinx it by saying this, but it cannot be as bad as the ac...
i thank you for your sacrifice 🫡
neon yacht
if i had to guess this is probably built into the engine actually
paper spade
Godot is playing 7-D chess 🤯
hollow pewter
i have no idea what i'm looking at. please may i get a beatdown on what is going on lol?
paper spade
there's already a verbose logging option that displays the files being loaded in the order they get loaded in (I assume)
just missing a convenient number order with it
hollow pewter
ohh, i see now
i've never used the terminal to display the logs, so it's sorta new what i'm supposed to see
interesting however
neon yacht
there's a couple issues with just grabbing this list directly
so i need to come up with some (likely very simplified) way of determining a true dependency list
but yeah, that's just at the idea stage right now
hollow pewter
hm, i would suggest seeing if a mod could work it, but mods do get loaded somewhat lower down and may not be able to see the full picture, but idrk
paper spade
could maybe write something and put it in the game its self and then recompile and run it with that to get the list out
cause yeah, I'd assume mods would get loaded too late in the process to be able to get the full load list
hollow pewter
i have tried recompiling once before, to no success sadly, but i did use a different version of GDRE tools then
neon yacht
mods are actually initialized very early, and most of the starting stuff kinda doesn't matter in terms of load order
paper spade
mods are actually initialized very early, and most of the starting stuff kinda d...
oh, neat
neon yacht
for example, the translations are the very first thing to be loaded, which can be added or changed at any time without conflict
hollow pewter
interesting
paper spade
that makes sense
neon yacht
and the load order here is kinda not the same load order we care about
paper spade
does that mean in theory you could have ZKY do something like this but for the load order we care about for the files?
neon yacht
since these are just the files being loaded into the game, while we care about the scenes themselves being loaded
neon yacht
does that mean in theory you could have ZKY do something like this but for the l...
that's exactly the idea
paper spade
I have caught up to the same page 
neon yacht
i already have the ability to check for and automatically override files
i just need to figure out a way of determining the priority of all of them
(if the mod is not sensitive to load order changes, this script already works)
left grove
the kinetic drones push the rocks away. so i have to go chasing lol
paper spade
I've made it into a Clarkson, May, and Hammond Era Top Gear meme, MOM GET THE CAMERA
neon yacht
the kinetic drones push the rocks away. so i have to go chasing lol
(they're literally just slamming into them at full force)
left grove
thats fair lol
paper spade
the angriest tiny punches you've ever seen
neon yacht
i actually had to give them a damage multiplier so that you could break the rocks without just yeeting them away
paper spade
it's funnier that they hulk smash
neon yacht
paper spade
So, Za'krin, I know the loader is obviously still subject to change, but how likely do you think the modmain format is to change again(not that it even really changed a huge amount this time), barring maybe the addition of new functions that can be used as they're added to the loader?
neon yacht
well MOD_PRIORITY is vanilla, so that's sticking around.
MOD_NAME makes sense to me, no complaints
var modLoader = false this is probably the only thing that would really change, i'm not very happy with how it's done. But ideally those changes don't touch the mod side (and if they do it'll be like one word)
those are really the only things that the modloader even interacts with besides _init()
paper spade
Nice nice, well that sounds pretty solid and means I have a better chance of actually finding the motivation tomorrow to scoot all my mods on over to the newer format just to make them sliiiiiightly cleaner
I'm sure my Autopilot could probably be done in a cleaner way, but hey, it worked
ERM-420 my beloved
neon yacht
yeah right now, the modloader is basically the same, except with the functions I use all the time baked in
(and if anyone wants something added lmk)
paper spade
yeah, which were always basically in everyone's modmains anyway cause we all basically went "Hey, that looks good, I'll use that"
I love the evolution of things, it's great
neon yacht
any future big changes will probably be related to the whole per-file-priority thing, at which point all bets are off
since i don't even know what the structure of that will look like until i get some working example
paper spade
if there's modmain changes required for that, it's for the better
left grove
if there's modmain changes required for that, it's for the better <:KEKW:1190131...
your MPU is printing drones yeah?
paper spade
I haven't played played yet with the new loader and everything
mostly checked menus and the simulation to sure nothing was off
left grove
ok im playing but my RA MPU isnt printing
paper spade
did you turn your MPU off by chance?
left grove
nope
priority for BR mod is 2 or 0. but it might need to be loaded before the advanced drones to work idk
just a guess
paper spade
mine I think loads after it, and I don't think it's been an issue
neon yacht
you redownloaded the mod right? did you reconfgure it to print again?
paper spade
ohhh yeah, I didn't redownload at any point
I didn't even think of that 
pretttty sure BR by default doesn't print
left grove
must print true?
paper spade
No worries
neon yacht
you are all good man
left grove
The Titan was jacked before. But now it's a money printer lol
paper spade
any future big changes will probably be related to the whole per-file-priority t...
the idea of this gets me excited, if it all pans out even close to what I'm thinking, should really mean fairly minimal effort stuff to get IoE working with everyone else's stuff without a huge re-structure for them
paper spade
The Titan was jacked before. But now it's a money printer lol
The goodest chunkiest money bags
give it your MPRs and it's sporty as a MF'er too
it's disgusting
left grove
I basically only use mpr now lol
paper spade
the titan, sporty, who'da thunk
left grove
I made a god thruster lol
paper spade
I use 'em on the titan XL cause like, that thing can get stuuuuuupid heavy, so you kinda need at least the bottom fully detune end of the power it offers
mid range and up is pretty overkill, but like, it's fun and fine, who cares
paper spade
it's foul how nimble the titan is with the MPRs, like really, it's gross
bullying K37s is not right
left grove
The OCP I ran before modding was hitting 800k and struggling. So I was like. F it. We mod now
paper spade
able to chase them down at over 100m/s like it's a walk in the park
dodge ringoids
hold aim
ezzzz
left grove
Lol
paper spade
when you're not mining and eating for re-mass you can actually burn through the remass pretty quick
one of the MPRs uses a decent amount of fuel tbh
left grove
Oh I also tweaked my MPU drones to refine remass lmao
The "MTR" rcs chugs remass
And heat
paper spade
like it's not awful fuel economy, but when you're like chasing a ship down to kill it and slowing down and speeding up a bunch in the process, you can chug a fair amount of fuel down
if you're mining and minding your business, gas is non-existent
it's battery gang time
"do I have power generation to cover my goobery ass right now?" is the primary question at that point
I actually ran out of propellant in my TitanXL with the MPRs, de-tuned a lil bit, and ended up geting SAR'd because I didn't mine anything on that testing run
I was trying to find a life pod, cause I had never seen the drones bring one in, but it's real, and I have no clue how it does it and I'm mad cause if I did I could possibly figure out the rest
left grove
XD
paper spade
I just can't understand enough of the matrix when I stare at it
I get lil bits and pieces here and there, but enough of it is just non-sensical to me that I'm lost and useless
like if it were just as simple as "click the different types of things you want in the collision mask section" I'd be good, the Godot editor and GUI has my back on that but having to figure out where in the scripting makes the thing go boom, makes my brain go boom
left grove
i just learned that changing the game from balanced to peaceful during a dive doesnt do anything lmao
went to the bathroom. came back to a red CPU and reactor
red ???????? ship chasing me
hollow pewter
bug report perhaps?
paper spade
TitanXL so offensive not even peaceful can save you
left grove
MPU test confirmed my dumbass fault
left grove
Today i learned that the AuxSlot for Aux power generators runs on the ThrusterSlot.gd file. i assume because the game treats the Aux generator as a thruster that burns fuel with no force behind it.
neon yacht
a shocking mount of stuff in this game is either a thruster or notathruster
left grove
lmao
if it works it works
after about an hour of trial and error. i have accidentally learned how to preinstall an aux generator into a hidden equipment slot and have it provide additional power on top of the primary aux generator.
i have no idea what i will do with this new power. but it will probably be broken as frak
i shall now sleep and ponder this new knowledge
left grove
so if im extending a section of a script, is there any fancy formatting (aside from the normal gd script formatting) that i need to worry about?
if i just throw in the code i want changed, it should detect the changes, put it in the right spot and work right?
paper spade
your extended script just needs to have extends "res://path-to-script/scriptyouwanttoextending.gd"
and then of course whatever contents you intend to have it being doing
paper spade
I melted my last brain cell yesterday trying to understand things
Fried it so bad I repeatedly had dreams last night about different hair brained ideas to do the thing I wanted to do, but ya know, it was dream shit on 12 pounds of copium, where dream brain understands all and real brain is like 
left grove
XD yeah
i really just love when the game decides to plop me down without a single ounce of PT and FE nearby for drone print testing lmao
@paper spade that drone printing speed looks faster to you right?
paper spade
nah, not really
hollow pewter
it looks somewhat faster to me, but not by that much
left grove
hmm
paper spade
I think it "looks fast" because it's not actively fighting drone usage
it's just full drone print
hollow pewter
might be
paper spade
but that doesn't look like it could outpace 4 drones worth of usage
left grove
i shall modify the code then
we want stupid speed right?
like. "as broken as the titanXL is" broken speed ?
paper spade
well ideally tweakable to preference, scaling from "as fast as you can do normally (aka 0.001) to much faster than normally"
like I really just want to give the drone printing more of a fighting chance to keep up with drone consumption of vanilla stuff
well at least 4 single vanilla mounts
those eat pretty damn fast, and the lowest print speed still cannot keep up
paper spade
I mean, as long as you don't like hardset a variable that determines the speed, that can't be changed without breaking things, you should be fine
like BR, you can tweak that, but it's not like it has a specific fancy config for it, you just tweak the values in the script
hollow pewter
imagine you get one that can process something crazy like a tonne every couple of seconds
paper spade
I mean, hell I'd be fine with them being outpaced by drone usage but just not take 5+ minutes to print 5,000 kg of drones
left grove
we will find out soon ish
paper spade
though I will say, modifying print speed is kinda un-needed if you just fiddle with the drone weights since the consumption rate comes down and gives the stock drone printing a chance to actually try and keep up
left grove
true but if i can do this. i might be able to make those drone factory modules lol
paper spade
neat, this works out with no issues, now I can sliiightly better manage "disabling" mods
(literally not doing anything other than manually moving zips from one folder to the other, just glad to know it doesn't cause any wacky issues)
hollow pewter
ooh, seeing your folder structure gave me an idea for the ZKYloader: the ability to toggle mods on and off (probably easiest to do so by adding and removing a .disabled extension to the filename, and requiring a restart of the game every time ofc)
paper spade
I had the rough concept idea for a "mod manager" that would add a menu to the main menu, where you could "enable" and "disable" mods where it just moves the zips from one directory to the other and whatnot, and then have it yell at you to restart the game afterwards
hollow pewter
the restart code does exist for DLC, so it likely wouldn't be as hard to implement
probably the hardest thing would be listing every mod for it to work
paper spade
yeah, I just had the rough idea for it, I don't have any clue how to go about actually doing it, and it involves moving files on the system which I would probably fuck up massively if I tried
paper spade
probably the hardest thing would be listing every mod for it to work
I don't even think that would be the hard part, ZKY can already list the mods and their load priorities
hollow pewter
true, but it might be harder with a UI element to it, and you'd also have to handle the .disabled files too, but im sure it's possible
knowing Za'krin though, it's probably not as bad as we're making it out to be
perhaps i'll sketch something when i get home to help it
paper spade
yeah, for him it's probably not too complex
I'd throw my head through a window trying to figure it out
I'm honestly surprised I got Achieve/AcheetaDeez to work without Za'krin straight up doing it for me
he helped me to realize I was doing a dumb and doing a "both of these have to be met" check instead of "ignore that one, check this one" cause I was just not having brain work, but that's been the extent to my understandnig of any script related stuff at this point
left grove
ooh, seeing your folder structure gave me an idea for the ZKYloader: the ability...
legit same idea in my head lol
i doubt its complex at all. he already made the save edit mod which has its own UI.
making a new UI for a mod manager menu seems somewhat doable
paper spade
oh it's doable
left grove
Also about 5 minutes ago i realized some of the code i was using was from IoE.
so this code was never going to work in the first place lmao
paper spade
It's really just down to familiarity with everything, Za'krin has well over a year of experience digging around and playing with the game's guts
we're over here with like a week
left grove
XD
paper spade
I started 16 days ago, Rena started probably like 14ish days ago
left grove
XD
paper spade
space (IoE) has been around for several months though with their mod
paper spade
Za'krin out here being a proper veteran and basically the wizard in the tower with the orb of knowledge that he ponders
left grove
lmao
so its a bit different for me
anything in godot visual editor
anything about code
paper spade
I can handle most stuff that just involves re-working and adding in new stuff that is just base-game stuff, and anything that involves GUI support in the editor
but when the script hits the fan, i cri
left grove
yeah
my script is hitting the fan
and the ship turbine
my rcs is firing the script
paper spade
yeeeah, most of the ideas I've had that I've just not done anything with are ones that involve scripting
the other ones are just big tedious projects that I have not got the energy or patience or focus for right now
and like all of the bite sized ideas I had I either covered or have been covered
so I'm just kinda big chillin sittin on the bench cause I'm outta my element now Donnie
left grove
lol
ok so i know printing is working at a default level..
now to figure out why its not working with my script on top
paper spade
I watched someone try to use gpt or something similar to make a factorio mod and it was tellin them to do things that were very wrong a lot of the time
left grove
XD
paper spade
sometimes it can figure it out and gives you something usable out of the box, and other times it'll give you something that's like 90% of the way there, and other times it's just giving you garbage that "looks" right
left grove
left grove
the basic MPU script with anything NOT drone printing removed.
then variables added to make setting the script speed as easy as changing the numbers in the top area
im mor curious as to why my game spawned an enemy ship on peaceful
it has the escape pod radio whitenoise
paper spade
red UIO's in peaceful are just pirate drone pods yeeting through the rings
left grove
the UIO ransomed me
paper spade
left grove
yeah i kinda wanna go look lol
so its a pirate K37
my game reset itself back to fuckin balanced.
paper spade
left grove
and also he is currently running away through the rings dodging rocks.
meanwhile im chasing him, and the BLI lasers are busting rocks apart in my path like some eldritch horror
paper spade
yeah and that's all you'll be doing
paper spade
paper spade
unless they show you their reactor for an ungodly long time, it'll just harrass the hell out of them
left grove
i already hit him twice with the torch
and several 5+ seconds on the reactor with all 4 lasers. (which i know aint much)
paper spade
maybe I'll make a combat version of the Bootleg PDT at some point when I'm feelin it again mr krabs
left grove
maybe I'll make a combat version of the Bootleg PDT at some point when I'm feeli...
untill that day
the new and imporved "fuck you mr pirate" mod for the titanXL
left grove
with emp
left grove
"hold still and wait for the flash"
left grove
lmao which part gonna kill me
left grove
the aim is to kill them lol
paper spade
yes, I get that
left grove
so ill drop the arm
paper spade
but you're gonna make them go kaboom reallllll close to you
paper spade
just make the arm longer and then you can make them suffer and only damage the arm in the process and not your whole ass
left grove
leme just... save the current version safely lol
oh its absolutely a sleep paralysis demon now
paper spade
just give it 8 arms and the Tail and make it a true Eldritch Horror
left grove
paper spade
paper spade
what
left grove
you probably arent running 60 mpu drones lol
paper spade
well no
left grove
this is a fraction of my drone power
i can still drain the ultracap
anyway. now back to working on the mpu mod while i wait for a red ship spawn lol
i randomly clicked on the dive screen to take me somewhere.
i got within radar range of obo4
hollow pewter
very big disparity with the ultracapacitors here lol
left grove
very big disparity with the ultracapacitors here lol
oh yeah. im just pumping out so much MW that its not gonna drain unless i do something stupid lol
deft bane
i started like... 8 days ago or something
After me lol
left grove
what faction is the racer with...
cause i might just set them to hostile IFF and test this dumbass mod out lol
hollow pewter
i think they're under the racer faction if i can recall properly for once
left grove
nice
gonna remove the arm. obviously goofy addition. the PDMGW can stay since it cant be modified to anything else, and cant be turned off. it just acts as a rear defense turret, so its not useful for mining.
nah removed it.
might take a few days break from modding lmao. my ideas are just getting into the absurd level range
just enjoy the game for a bit
paper spade
that's basically what I'm up to, just about to run through Advanced Drones real quick and tweak it to how I had multi-drones, but give "my" deca drones the yeet protocol addition
left grove
oh lol
so you could set up a new drone in the shop that is yeetdrone. and then the others stay stock
paper spade
the only thing advanced drones is missing for the perfect drones is pulling bodies and other anomalies
paper spade
so you could set up a new drone in the shop that is yeetdrone. and then the oth...
I could, or I could just make my drones do the yeet too
left grove
I could, or I could just make my drones do the yeet too
fair lol
ah i see. you turn off the ores you dont want
very nice
paper spade
Soooo, how does the Yeet Protocol work exactly? cause it seems like it wants to push them suckers for a good long while
I assume it's related to the max range on the drones?
left grove
i think so yeah
i made my yeet drones a new version. and set the max range on them to 400m
they only push up to 400m
deft bane
.>
paper spade
they only push up to 400m
mine seem to be pushing way further than the 600m max I gave them....
I wonder if they need something like a "Max Energy To Target" patched in to tell it to stop pushing them once they're pushed up to enough energy that ensures they're yeeted but not pushed absurdly long
left grove
hmm dunno
left grove
I wonder if they need something like a "Max Energy To Target" patched in to tell...
remember how you said the titan was stupid nimble with my MPR thrusters?
she a lil bit less nimble now
left grove
for sure
since i cant figure out printing drones faster i went with. "just glue more storage tanks on"
so the hull itself now holds up to 300K drone parts
subject to change 😛
left grove
yeah but thats not a part of my ship mod
im talking about the ship itself. i might give it an internal tank of 100K
maybe just 50K
idk
paper spade
this guy has been staring me down for like 5 minutes.....
paper spade
charged at it, spooked it into flying away from me, and then I mined some rocks, and threw a bunch of junk it's general direction and it promptly said, yup I'm out
left grove
lmao
paper spade
siiiiiiiiiiick I finally finished up one of the quests, I now have alllllllllll the titans
left grove
noice
idk which mission i just started lmao
sister on station. go to station, its blown up.
go back to the station that told me where to go and let them know it was blowed up.
tight beam from sister, now on random mining ship to some new location
left grove
oh lol nice
left grove
i learned my pc doesnt like anything over 60 launchers.
anyway. im gonna head off to get some food
dark pike
just give it 8 arms and the Tail and make it a true Eldritch Horror
I wonder how hard it would be to mod the ARM to move things according to same pattern haul drones use. Then you could mount them on the sides and they'd pitch stuff forward.
Not to mention the ARM in general needing less babysitting.
paper spade
I can't imagine it'd be too difficult, though I do imagine it's out of my current reach
dark pike
Off-center mounted arms could be effectively used, then, too, without mucking around with the details.
dark pike
this is a fraction of my drone power
Honestly, having the ore teleported around just feels unreal. I think I'd prefer drones that can pop rocks but still prioritized and moved chunks.
Not that the way you want to make the game has to be the way anybody else wants it. Just two cents on the table, take it or leave it.
paper spade
I think with Advanced Drones you can technically make it so they can break rocks and haul ore in, but not act as MPUs
dark pike
Mod name? I don't see it listed.
paper spade
Advanced Drones, it's not like a fully officially released mod, but Za'krin posted it in here last night
paper spade
#1252866978075512863 message
ah, I was too busy digging around to see that you found it
dark pike
And when used, the game just doesn't start. Huh.
paper spade
ah, yeah you very likely need ZKYLoader
dark pike
Dependency mod?
paper spade
#1252866978075512863 message
Za'krins supplementary mod loader he's working on
it basically contains the common functions most of us have been using from Za'krin's modmain setup
so the modmains can be cleaner
and the eventual goal is to have it help handle the load order of individual files so that conflict resolution between mods is easier (of course barring any direct conflicting code changes)
mods directory ends up having ZKYLoader being loaded by the base modloader, and then the mods folder contains the mods ZKYLoader is loading
it also contains compatibility for loading most mods that do not contain the most up-to-date modmains/functions
dark pike
Scratch the complaint, it was just me being dumb about something.
paper spade
Huh, so dones still try to target life pods that the Arm is holding on to?
Ah... yeah.... Yeet Protocol doesn't seem to play nicely with an arm holding a Life Pod
if you leave unmarked on, it grabs it from the arm and feeds it to the ship
if you turn unmarked off, it yeets it from the arm and pushes it away
left grove
ah interesting
left grove
Honestly, having the ore teleported around just feels unreal. I think I'd prefer...
nah i get that, my "in lore" reason was something along the lines of.
"the drones are dispatched out to the rock where they break it down into nano particles that are then brought back to the ship along the drone control path, these nano particles are then processed by the MPU near instantly due to the smaller scale" which is just my semi lazy way of explaining it off in my own head lol
i do fully understand if its not to someones liking.
which is the reason my entire mod library is a pick and choose system, if someone doesnt like a something i have made they can ignore it, its not a required part of some other mod.
paper spade
this guy has been staring me down for like 5 minutes.....
Another one of these goobers showed up and started doing the same thing, and this time it got testy and tried miking me, so I gave 'em the 'ole whatfore with 4 lasers at 187mw each and 28hz pulse rate
big kaboom
left grove
lmao nice
i am definitely going to need to update my lasers to the ones you are using.
3mw at 48hz aint gonna do jack lol
paper spade
I don't know why you did that to yourself, cause they were never 3mw lasers
their default average power output is 220mw
hollow pewter
even microwaves have a lowball power output of 25 MW
paper spade
even the actual piddly PDT-Laser the base game has in it's files can do a max of 125mw
left grove
i was trying to lower the ultracap power draw lmao
cause 4 of them was killing my at the time MPDG
paper spade
shoulda just max detuned them instead of knee capping them
you can run 4 of them with vanilla power gen without problem
left grove
not to worry i will just redownload them lmao
left grove
well im sure its fine now. cause im running a big block AND a town class lmao
dark pike
Mmm. Kinetic drones don't respect range limits. That's a thing.
Let me go back and make sure the tuning took.
left grove
I dont think Zakrin finished the mod fully. just got it into a "it works now and does the thing" state.
most of the work was on the MPU drones, the kinetics were a late addition
dark pike
Understandable.
paper spade
I am just now realizing I can see the ore in the cargo bay via reflection or whatever depending on where my camera is positioned
left grove
loool
dark pike
Is there a release for the bootlegs? It's not clear to me how I'm supposed to try those.
left grove
@paper spade
paper spade
for mods that have pre done releases you grab them from there
for the mods that don't
there's further instruction on the repo
dark pike
Ah, the instructions that tell me to start by clicking the 'code' button aren't visible if you follow a link to a specific project. 🙂 I see it.
paper spade
Ah yeah, that instruction set is to just download the whole repo folder so you can then zip up the individual mods and drop those in
I really need to go through and clean some stuff up and prepare some release zips for everything to make things a bit easier
dark pike
You should link all projects to that same main page, since the links to each project are also there.
hollow pewter
maybe it's a good idea to add the zip download hyperlink to the second part, after the Download Zip instruction as well
something like this: Click "Download ZIP" (or use this link here [insert link])
might make it a bit more obvious as i kinda read past the previous instruction to do the same
paper spade
the instructions include a link to the zip for the whole repo, a link to the releases section, and a link to the Tags section (since I use tags to differentiate releases for different mods and their version numbers)
Other than yelling some more and adding in some screen shots, I dunno what else to do
hollow pewter
fair enough
i only saw the instruction for the linked zip (and the blue text for that matter) on my third time reading it, ADHD go brr
paper spade
Plus no matter how one structures their github, there's always gonna be some users who get confused by it anyway
hollow pewter
true
paper spade
Github just isn't the most friendly place to host mods....
And ya know, now that I think about it.... maybe it's time one of us submits mods to Nexus and get a category rolling for dV
hollow pewter
perhaps lol
paper spade
cause then it's just "Download the thing from nexus, drop that zip in the folder, party"
hollow pewter
i've never used nexus before, so might be a trip, plus with how there's two ways to currently use mods it may get confusing to those not in the know
paper spade
well the fun thing, is standard modding instructions can still apply to everything that isn't explicitly using the new ZKYLoader modmain format
hollow pewter
true
paper spade
aaaaaaand if you're using ZKYLoader, everything can just get chucked into mods/mods anyway, since it handles loading all older modmain style mods, barring ones that use like 2 obscure functions I've not seen used
hollow pewter
i suppose ever single currently active modder does use ZKYLoader in some form, so it is pretty standard to begin with
paper spade
Za'krin pretty much already made it as painless as it can be to add in a supplementary loader
hollow pewter
yup
paper spade
i suppose ever single currently active modder does use ZKYLoader in some form, s...
Yeah, and for the ones that aren't using some form of his modmain, the loader handles loading anyway, stroke of genius
hollow pewter
yup
oh and that reminds me, i was gonna do a mockup of how the mod handler could work for it
paper spade
I'm not sure there's a single mod that still currently functions that his loader can't handle right now, which is awesome
hollow pewter
true, only thing the loader (and pretty much anything else) has been unable to handle is IoE with other mods
left grove
shocking no one lmao
paper spade
which is a byproduct of how IoE is structured/is completely overriding slots and injecting it's own
hollow pewter
shocking no one lmao
abso-fuckin-lutely lmao
left grove
so its it the structure that makes ioe not friendly. or the adding slots
hollow pewter
which is a byproduct of how IoE is structured/is completely overriding slots and...
it's basically it's own loader at this point, as it was SPDX's way of making their life easier
paper spade
why any luck though, if individual file priority pans out, IoE in theory should only have to add in some stuff to point to which files need to be loaded when and blamo, compat
hollow pewter
only a matter of time
i suppose in some respects it's neat that an issue like this came about so early on, as it basically means that this issue can be ironed out early on in the game's modding history
paper spade
it's basically it's own loader at this point, as it was SPDX's way of making the...
It's not even really that stuff, it's really is just mostly down to how the forcing slot overrides was done
which I do fully understand was done for the sake of Space's sanity, and the fact that there wasn't really much in the way of other content mods to worry about compatibility with
hollow pewter
true
paper spade
a restructure of it, using Za'krin's method of messing with slots would allow it to continue to do exactly what it does, while giving it wayyy more compatibility with everything else
because at that point it really is just a matter of load priority
all without it being as much leg work as the way I tend to add things is
the way I tend to add things is more tedious, but seems to result in the most compatible end product
all my mods can load a default 0 with no issues with each other, and most other mods, only thing that really throws a wrench into that is Multi-drone/Advanced Drones (needs to load before my mods), or Kad's Titan, which seems to need to load after most pieces of equipment do
hollow pewter
a restructure of it, using Za'krin's method of messing with slots would allow it...
imagine when space comes back to the modding scene to find that IoE has been completely restructured to work flawlessly with other mods
paper spade
If I get bored enough and have a moment of hyper focus I will prooobably fork it and restructure it, if someone else, including space doesn't get to it before then (or if Za'krin cooks up individual file priorities and makes a full restructure not needed)
hollow pewter
true
i suppose, looking at the list of other major content mods right now having similar stuff to it, it's totally possible with what you and others are capable of, i guess even more so if a collab is done specifically to make it compatible
paper spade
though I think if IoE were restructured it might also gain the side benefit of no-longer hard tainting saves in a "You can't un-load this mod on a save ever" way
cause I think a large part of why IoE breaks saves when you remove it is because of how it's handling slot replacements
hollow pewter
true
i've actually never tried to load a save with the content of a different mod still on the save without it being enabled yet, does it do a similar thing to IoE where it straight up crashes you or smth?
paper spade
I don't think I've ever tried loading a save after removing IoE, I've always done a specific cloned out save for IoE and then yeeted that save when I've removed IoE
but as far as my mods go and most others, they don't seem to destructively break the save when you remove them
at most it seems like you end up with a phantom entry of the no-longer existing equipment in your save. Which will display as slots with nothing in them when you load the save if those pieces were equipped
but all you have to do is swap to a valid piece of equipment and you're good to go
hollow pewter
i see, and i'm assuming a similar case is for ships too
paper spade
Seems like Kad's ships can be pulled out "safely" I assume a similar situation happens, phantom lingering entries in the save, but you can just swap to valid stuff and you're fine
so it might result in save file bloat at worst really
hollow pewter
i see, push comes to shove that just results in a slightly longer wait time for the fleet
paper spade
Which is all what points me in the direction of thinking that most if IoE's woes stem from the way the slots were handled
hollow pewter
i see
i always assumed that the game couldn't handle invalid entries for equipment/ships, but now there's a good set of less-intrusive comparisons it makes more sense
paper spade
That's the major thing about IoE's structure that stood out to me when I was looking at it
it basically adds "SlotType2" for each existing slot, and overrides the existing slots with it's slots that are setup with it's equipment
hollow pewter
interesting
paper spade
which seems to result in nothing else being able to work with it, because it's changes result in nothing anyone elses mods do, actually sticking, because they're throwing out the slots that the rest of us use
hollow pewter
i see
and i guess that results as to why 'porting' it would be a bit difficult, as it'd be a basic build from the ground up again
paper spade
Honestly, I don't even think it's that hard to restructure it, mostly tedious because you'd have to go back through and A) Make sure the paths to most things are still correct, and then B) re-do the slots stuff, but in a more compatible manor
dark pike
the instructions include a link to the zip for the whole repo, a link to the rel...
The problem is that I clicked a like for lasers, so I didn't go to this page, I went to the lasers page.
paper spade
Ah, yeah I link directly to the current release for each mod in their dedicated mod threads here, so that way it's always pointing to the current version
dark pike
That's why I said you should link there from all your projects, not to the lasers page, since this also has a link to the lasers page.
paper spade
The mod threads will always point to their specific mod releases
dark pike
Then you may want to duplicate directions there.
hollow pewter
yknow, this issue has kinda brought out a few new ideas i have for an addition for the ZKYLoader
also might help if that mod had it's own page almost
paper spade
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything, but I'm genuinely struggling to understand what the issue is with the current instructions or linking is
the mod threads, link directly to the releases for the mod said thread is about
the general repo contains releases for mods, tags for mods, and individual repo folders for the mods.
Which is really about as good as it's going to get with Github. It's not really a convenient one stop shop for mods, it's mostly for keeping track of development and changes between commits
dark pike
The instructions directing you you click the code button to begin require you to have already clicked the code button to view the instructions, if following your link.
left grove
Seems like Kad's ships can be pulled out "safely" I assume a similar situation h...
good to know. i dont think it would have any lingering issues.
its just an inherited titan scene with more weapon slots
paper spade
The instructions instruct you to check the releases tab for pre-done Release Zips
the secondary instructions are for the mods that do not have release zips, and can be ignored if the mod has a release.
If it doesn't, the Blue code button, literally links to the zip for the repository as per the instructions
The green code button, is on the same page as the instructions are
I'll just re-do it and provide release zips only on a seperate repo and leave my development one to me
dark pike
Don't know what to tell you. I followed a link to your work, and the instructions to use it weren't found until after I followed the first step of the directions, clicking code.
Not trying to be a jerk, just started out trying to offer the simplest solution possible.
paper spade
What link did you click that landed you in such a confused state?
I'm genuinely struggling to understand what the confusion was or is
dark pike
Either the lasers or the autopilot. The page described the mod, but didn't have the instruction set.
Popped a question into chatGPT, since I'd never had to download one of these that didn't list a release, went to the code button, found the directions.
paper spade
Laser and Autopilot both have release zips, and the links on the threads point to the release zips
dark pike
Honestly, I went to the top, and saw a git embedded link that was so eye catching I started there, where I couldn't find a release link. So maybe I went the wrong way. But I'm away from my computer and getting ready for bed, so I can revisit it tomorrow and let you know where I ended up, and probably what link took me there.
paper spade
No worries, this is honestly why I brought up the topic of it probably being time to get a category spun up on Nexus Mods or another similar mods hosting website
Will be much easier for end users to navigate and figure out where to download things.
Github honestly sucks for the average user until they become familiar with it over time, as far as just grabbing downloads/releases
hollow pewter
@neon yacht finally got round to making a sort of demo UI design for a handler for the ZKYLoader. i semi-derived it from the equipment screen (for the layout), but it pretty much works the same. a mod can be selected by pressing anywhere on it, and it displays info about it (provided by the modmain or another text file required by the mod, or uses info found in the modmain if it cannot find the info desired), and if a suitable link to the download is found where the current mod can be compared to a new one, it also provides a check updates button. the radio buttons on the right of the mod names effectively act as a toggle, and if any toggles are changed when the menu is attempted to be closed, it prompts a restart if you want to go ahead with the changes
left grove
nice
paper spade
does that load at the main menu or in-E?
left grove
so you made a mod manager and update checker
paper spade
well a demo UI
hollow pewter
does that load at the main menu or in-E?
i would say that it would be accessible only in the main menu, but it likely wouldn't matter given it needs a restart and would just save the game and restart for it to work anyway
paper spade
Right I was just asking because of the "Derived from the equipment screen" bit, and figured a mod manager should probably be a main menu thing and not an "In E" menu thing
hollow pewter
yeah, what i meant by derived from the equipment menu was the layout
shoulda clarified
paper spade
Although that now makes me think of an In-E screen for "Modded Equipment" that just plucks all the mod added content right in that menu, in addition to it showing up where it would normally show up
hollow pewter
lmao that would be something
hollow pewter
true
i mean, currently there's a good dozen or so separate mods going around, so it would def help
paper spade
Yeah, it'd already be useful now, but it's not critical cause there's few enough mods that it shouldn't be that hard to remember/find the new content
but it'll definitely hit a much more "needed" QoL point in the future if there's a ton more mods.
That's my thought on it, mostly like a "no one should rush and kill themselves trying to make that one happen"
I'd rather see the mod manager first
hollow pewter
yup
neon yacht
<@367512738521415680> finally got round to making a sort of demo UI design for a...
looks pretty good, and i'll put something together for that for sure. This kinda brings us back around to https://discord.com/channels/426287934870781952/1252515597250596915 though, and needing a proper format for mods. Just something to think about before i get to making that.
hollow pewter
absolutely lol. that was so long ago i forgot that post happened
perhaps something to do would to have a separate post related just to your loader, then i suppose the ideas could be more centralized, at least in relation to it
neon yacht
eventually™️
neon yacht
there's a lot of busywork i need to do with mods, writing readmes, setting up githubs, etc.
hollow pewter
fair enough. it'll be ready when it's ready in all it's glory
paper spade
Ye, no need to rush
it's great seeing things moving again with mods stuff though
I was very un-sure of the state of modding when I first got into the game and it almost seemed like there was none, or it was over and then I stumbled on to what did exist and then was like "I should probably join the discord now and see what's up" lol
now there's even more stuff and recent discussions and all that, nice to see
neon yacht
yeah it's nice to see, pretty sure this is the most modding that has happened, except maybe the first mods on the gitlab
paper spade
yeah there's more than a dozen now if I'm not mistaken
neon yacht
and i'll be honest, most of the stuff i modded was never intended to be used by others lol
deft bane
yes
paper spade
I've done like 4, Kad's done a good handful plus, Rena has her parts pack, IoE's nuts as always, plus all the old stuff that still works
paper spade
and i'll be honest, most of the stuff i modded was never intended to be used by ...
meanwhile you were holding Turn N Burn and M is For MPU hostage in ZKY 
those two are great, and I had to yoink them out when I saw them
hollow pewter
yeah it's nice to see, pretty sure this is the most modding that has happened, e...
at this point, pretty much every modding thread currently active has probably at least the same if not more content for mods than the entire gitlab, and it really goes to show what's been done
which reminds me, i need to complete the list of mods on the wiki and actually start writing dedicated pages for them. least i could do for what's been done
paper spade
at this point, pretty much every modding thread currently active has probably at...
and in the last 2.5 weeks too, it's been a pretty insane little boom
hollow pewter
absolutely lol
i'm not gonna do it right now of course, i don't want to hate myself even more in the morning
paper spade
and to think I got to be a part of it all because I really wanted to earn achievements with mods
hollow pewter
lmfao
i think i tried doing that once but never got my head wrapped around modding. good for you
neon yacht
meanwhile you were holding Turn N Burn and M is For MPU hostage in ZKY <:kappa:8...
yeah, there's a lot of neat stuff in there
paper spade
was one of those things where I was just like "I can't believe this doesn't exist yet" so I asked where it was being done in the files, and off I went
hollow pewter
and now look at what you've managed to pull off
paper spade
yeah, there's a lot of neat stuff in there
yeah, I was really tempted to try it out on it's own, but I was already in deep with over a handful of mods and I couldn't be bothered
hollow pewter
and now look at what you've managed to pull off
@paper spade i say it like that because the bootleg part of your modding never really dies
paper spade
and now look at what you've managed to pull off
I'm most impressed with myself for figuring out the autopilot
paper spade
<@118807387162411010> i say it like that because the bootleg part of your moddin...
I am the jank
hollow pewter
indeed
hollow pewter
I'm most impressed with myself for figuring out the autopilot <:KEKW:11901310351...
absolutely, even Koder has stated that the ship-ctrl.gd file (or whatever it's called) is a mess
paper spade
should see my versions of Turn N Burn and M is For MPU compared to ZKY's, looks like a shotgun hit it
hollow pewter
i do need to get around to trying it. i can't write an article for something i've never done
paper spade
absolutely, even Koder has stated that the `ship-ctrl.gd` file (or whatever it's...
MPUs and Autopilots are honestly insane and I can't believe Koder deals with it
left grove
I've done like 4, Kad's done a good handful plus, Rena has her parts pack, IoE's...
me omw to make more mods
paper spade
like no wonder there hasn't been any new player pilotable ships in a little while, man's gotta tweak every single MPU to the shape of the ship by hand
hollow pewter
MPUs and Autopilots are honestly insane and I can't believe Koder deals with it ...
if there's ever a documentation project for this codebase, bet half of it is gonna deal with that specific file
paper spade
left grove
like no wonder there hasn't been any new player pilotable ships in a little whil...
YUP
paper spade
me omw to make more mods
I was hawkin your wares in #delta-v a little while ago
left grove
lol nice
paper spade
if there's ever a documentation project for this codebase, bet half of it is gon...
man I wish I understood more of the actual what's goings ons in the scripts shit so I could actually be of use if something like this ever started up
left grove
oh god lol the kitsumo
paper spade
right now I can really only help document partially how the achievement checks are done for mods/cheated and then like, I can maybe document how you do a little bit of the auto pilot
and like maybe a basic workflow for the most annoying way to add things to the game
annoying but compatibleTM (one day it won't even matter )
neon yacht
oh no
i just had that moment where i realized it's possible
it can be done
but am i strong enough to make it happen
okay, rubber ducky moment:
the basic gist of the concept for the modloader is this:
-
Scan every file in the mod for files that exist in vanilla
- This is easy, I've actually already done that
-
Construct a full priority list
- This is one of those things that sounds possible, but idk how
-
Load all of the files in accordance with the priority list
- Again, simple enough to do
until now, that second step was somewhere between pipe dream and endless suffering
now i know it's possible, the issue is coming up with a system that can scan and sort the priorities for every single file in the game
i think it would actually be trivially easy if there was a single file that had every other file as a dependency, but that's not how it works. that 'file' doesn't exist, but is rather the game as you play it.
i could theoretically have the mods load in real-time as the relevant parts of the game load, but that sounds like a terrible idea for many reasons
it also sounds like a terrible idea to check every single file in the game for dependencies, but that's something that could probably be cached, and only rescanned when mods are changed
because for example, this is a recursive check for just the OMS.tscn
and here it is with the relative priorities
i have however noticed a potentially fatal flaw
i don't think it's seeing placeholders
okay but is this an issue
since placeholders are quite literally not dependencies until they are instanced
so long as we modify the placeholder scenes properly before they are instanced, will it pull the correct data anyway?
okayyyyyyyy
we might still be cooking
you can still modify placeholder scenes after the scene that they are placeholders in
since placeholders aren't actually loaded until they are manually on runtime
neon yacht
i have however noticed a potentially fatal flaw
so this is not an issue, and maybe even a benefit
(thank you placeholders, i always thought you were weird, but i understand you now, i'm sorry)
okay, i'm going to stop here for now, but soon™️
when i get the time to properly tackle this, it will be a glorious day
may i die an honorable death in battle
hollow pewter
wow. just woke up to see all this. you really are amazing Za'krin
paper spade
wow. just woke up to see all this. you really are amazing Za'krin
same, holy crap
left grove
Zakrins ability to hyper fixate onto a code problem and make ton of progress is terrifying lol
paper spade
Zakrins ability to hyper fixate onto a code problem and make ton of progress is ...
You'd be the same way I'd imagine, if you had the same level of familiarity and experience with dV modding
left grove
I've already been staying up till 2 or 3am working on my stuff lol
Last-Night I was working on my pilot zoom mod. And just about gave up when zakrin popped his fix version of it in the chat Lol
paper spade
I'm going to work on getting a Nexus page spooled up for DV mods, already started working on it
left grove
Nice
paper spade
Oh lovely... Submitted my laser to Nexus, got an error about not being allowed to do something
So I went back through and tried to submit the mod again, cause there doesn't appear to be any where for me to check on the status of that apparently submitted one.... aaaand it told me a mod with the name already exists in their database
thanks Nexus
left grove
Lmao
It probably reserved the name before the uploading failed.
It might release the name in a few min idk
paper spade
Knowing Nexus they probably have some dumbass rule about "if you've never uploaded a mod before and it's a mod for a game that doesn't have a category yet, you can go kick rocks cause that's my purse and I don't know you"
hollow pewter
in the meantime, it's back to restructuring the github lol
paper spade
Nah, it's time to get the mods on to a centralized platform meant for distributing mods
Discord is trash for that, and Github can really only be made so streamlined, and I'm not about to go through and make a new repo for each individual mod that I then have to maintain separately each time I update anything
Which is why I'm irked that Nexus just screwed me over
hollow pewter
fair
only thing i can think of would be a file server where packaged mods are placed, but that has it's own complexities
hollow pewter
true, or just use another github repo
paper spade
there's no reason to do that, just use one the already established mod distribution sites
hollow pewter
fair
if they weren't throwing a fit of course
pretty much all the mods i use for other games use either curseforge or github, so i suppose curseforge is also an option
paper spade
Github has already presented as a bad choice, it leaves too much room for confusion for end-users
Something like Nexus or any of the other established mod hubs would just be the simple "go there, click the mod, download it, drop it in the folder, you're done"
without any confusing "Why is there's 5 folder, 12 releases and 7 tags"
or "why do I have to go to 6 different github repos to download one mod"
hollow pewter
fair
imma check if curseforge works for DV, then i suppose that's always an option too
hollow pewter
i've never used it for creation of mods, and i don't know how to create a new game's page for it either so it's a no-go from what i can see
any luck with nexus yet though?
paper spade
any luck with nexus yet though?
nope, not a single message, notif, email or anything about anything
and I'm really not very keen to re-type everything out for a 3rd time to find that it's still fucked
hollow pewter
fair enough
honestly it would be so much easier if github let you download a specific folder of a repo instead of taking it from the whole thing, and that would likely fix a load of the issues with it
granite robin
honestly it would be so much easier if github let you download a specific folder...
Sadly no suhch thing on github page but. https://download-directory.github.io/
hollow pewter
huh, i guess that works
paper spade
the thing is that github is a repository management tool, and it functions wonderfully for that purpose
and it's already about as friendly as it can be with having the Releases section.
The only thing I can do to reduce confusion as far as my repo is concerned is to just do pre-done zips for everything on the repo.
and then at that point, if you've managed to stumble into a random part of the repo that isn't the releases section, that's on you
paper spade
well, ERM-420 went better than Bootleg Laser
and there we go
DV is officially pending to be added to Nexus with one mod already queued up for it
now I just need to go back and see if they're still holding PDT-Laser hostage in their database
ohhhh siiiiiiiick, it did create a pending page for the Laser.... it just wigged out, and it's stupidly complicated to re-find
niiiiiice
hollow pewter
heck yeah
deft bane
ohhhh siiiiiiiick, it did create a pending page for the Laser.... it just wigged...
Ye I uploaded a mod on Nexus before for RoN
left grove
ron?
paper spade
Ready or Not
left grove
ah
paper spade
Okay, looks like I've gotten both the PDT-Laser and ERM-420 into pending states. Not entirely sure about PDT-Laser's status right now, but ERM-420 definitely shows as pending
So I'll check back in on it tomorrow/monday and see if anything has moved, I'll update everyone once it's live, and then we can begin the great Nexusing
interestingly, there's apparently a mod that's already been sitting un-published on Nexus for DV for some unkown amount of time
the game was already a listed option when you search for games to upload a mod for in their interface
I wonder who at some point tried uploading to Nexus and never finished the process
paper spade
Yeah I'm not gonna start looking into that until the change hits the main branch. I only work off of the main branches
and it should be easy enough to diff check 1.59 and the latest version when it happens
with any luck it'll just be going through and extending the script back with the old script's contents for that particular bit
left grove
maybe lol
paper spade
"Yes yes, drink limit, well and good, but lets just pretend like this is the before times, okay?"
left grove
go into the bar.
bar tender be like.
i already served your crew one!
holds up infinite beer pass
^ mod name ?
paper spade
I'm more curious if Koder made it a straight up one drink per dive limit period
or if it's one drink per dive per location that serves drinks
cause fun fact, there's 2 places that serve drinks in-dive
hollow pewter
i think he mentioned one drink per visit
although i'm yet to check, but currently the G4A station only does once per dive
i'll do that rn
paper spade
right, but when I asked about it I didn't ask if it's one drink per location per dive, or if it's one at each location
hollow pewter
true
hollow pewter
i'll give it a check, im running the latest experimental version rn anyway so shouldn't be too hard to test
paper spade
although i'm yet to check, but currently the G4A station only does once per dive
this will be good info too, cause I don't think I've tried to do multiple drinks with them yet
Might be worth expanding the scope of the mod to including un-limiting drinks at G4A too
hollow pewter
i haven't been to the G4A station at all since the last release patch dropped, but i'll give it a try anyway
paper spade
^ mod name ?
Delta Vomit: Rings of Alcoholics
left grove
lol
hollow pewter
thats a good one
i might have to wait before testing, something came up that i have to deal with first
left grove
no worries
paper spade
i might have to wait before testing, something came up that i have to deal with ...
yep, no worries, drinks testing is not critical at all
deft bane
@paper spade btw is there alot of mods on Nexus or no?
paper spade
Rena... I already uploaded 2 mods dawg
deft bane
I can make it happen
deft bane
ah
paper spade
paper spade
there's apparently 1 mod that was partially submitted to the DV game category at some point, but the author never finialized publishing it, so the game category never actually got sent to Nexus for approval
paper spade
now that I've submitted 2 mods for dV though, they should be taking care of that by Monday at the latest I would think
they say it's usually 24hrs, but it's also almost the weekend
paper spade
well these are apparently the 3 different author names for the mods contained on that Repo
dunno who actually made the repo and uploaded those there, nor do I actually know who attempted to Nexus at some point and never finished
paper spade
it's fine, /1/ will just always been an unpublished mod for DV
/2/ and /3/ will be my mods
paper spade
I've still gotta throw up my other stuff on it, but I figured I'd just get the ball rolling with ERM-420 and PDT-Laser, since those are the two most appealing ones imo
AchieveDeez should probably get put up though.... that one is a handy lil one
paper spade
I don't need to wait if I don't want to, I can just keep throwing mods at Nexus until they go "Okay shheeeeeesh we get it there's 20 mods for this game we haven't added yet, shit hold on dawg, god damn"
deft bane
oh yeah
I'll do it when im home
whenver that is
ngl, I wanna find a artist and commision something from them
left grove
define artist. what we talkin bout here?
paper spade
I assume for custom sprites
left grove
that was my first guess yeah
paper spade
I just need to know whatever Koder and the gang uses to make their assests for the game and get it in the right format and all that jazz and I can probably start cooking custom sprites
2D art stuff is usually not too challenging for me, 3D is where I really start to struggle
left grove
the hulls seem to be png so photoshop probably
paper spade
used to be a big pixel art nerd for minecraft back in the day
hollow pewter
i believe they use blender then take a top-down render of it
left grove
ahh
paper spade
i believe they use blender then take a top-down render of it
I would assume something liket that yeah
left grove
that would make sense actually since the dealer seems to be 3d
paper spade
yep, and they have materials layers that need to be added to them and whatnot
might have to start slamming my head against the blender wall again
it's been a long long time
left grove
i know some of the super barebones basics of blender lmao
paper spade
everyone knows how to get rid of the default cube
the highest quality mod page you've ever seen
left grove
lmao
left grove
everyone knows how to get rid of the default cube <:kappa:885462325728006144>
nah i mean like applying textures to a model, modifying the nodes, adding new sections and a little bit about bezel
paper spade
I know, I was just shitposting, implying the barebones basics of Blender is the first hurdle: Figuring out how to get rid of that damned cube
paper spade
Everyone's first "what the hell" when they pickup blender without a tutorial
"Why is this evil fucker refusing to leave, WHAT DID I DO TO YOU CUBE??!?!?!?!??!?!"
left grove
paper spade
Also that fun bug that was in blender for like 10 years where the View Port was off angle by like 0.003 degrees
left grove
i cheated and made a project that i deleted the default cube camera and sun, then i saved it
hollow pewter
ok so apparently the G4A station and the space bar work differently. the G4A station gives you one drink per dive, while the space bar is once per visit
granite robin
ngl, I wanna find a artist and commision something from them
LIqvo where are you?)
paper spade
ok so apparently the G4A station and the space bar work differently. the G4A sta...
I'm confused on what the difference is?
granite robin
ok so apparently the G4A station and the space bar work differently. the G4A sta...
So to keep drinking all I have to do is astrogate to different location?
paper spade
like "once per visit" can mean multiple times in a Dive? or
paper spade
So to keep drinking all I have to do is astrogate to different location?
Yeah, that's what it seems like based on that description
which just means Koder went "no more arm hopping for drinks"
and went "Gotta leave and come back and pretend like you're a different crew cause no one IDs in space"
hollow pewter
like "once per visit" can mean multiple times in a Dive? or
yup you just have to revisit it in a dive
deft bane
I assume for custom sprites
For a small lore book pdf I planning to do
paper spade
yup you just have to revisit it in a dive
Huh, so not nearly as aggressive as a change as I thought it was
hollow pewter
yeah
paper spade
One Per Visit is a lot more reasonable than One Per Dive
hollow pewter
i think i might file a bug report about that not being the case with the GA station
paper spade
miiiiiiiight just change the scope of that mod to "Make G4A like Space Bar" and allow 1 per visit
hollow pewter
that too
paper spade
i think i might file a bug report about that not being the case with the GA stat...
might be intentional?
deft bane
LIqvo where are you?)
Wha
paper spade
though it does seem weird that G4A would be 1 per dive, while the bar is 1 per visit
hollow pewter
might be intentional?
i'll ask, push comes to shove it is
paper spade
And just like that, your discovery has resulted in the oven being turned on for the cooking of expanded space bar and drink consequence mechanics instead of a drink limit
deft bane
And just like that, your discovery has resulted in the oven being turned on for ...
oh shi?
paper spade
#experimental-feedback
ye
#realtime-development-updates-bot message
also it's a whole actual open issue now
which is why I say the oven was turned on
deft bane
oh shit
paper spade
he's gonna make G4A behave like space bar, and space bar is gonna have consequences instead of limits
very good
deft bane
did it go through through?
deft bane
sometimes its faster
paper spade
and since it's thursday, almost the end of the week.... for a niche game....
paper spade
I don't expect quick results
deft bane
lol
paper spade
deft bane
Start the flood
paper spade
What part about "Nexus needs to approve the game category first" have you been ignoring
deft bane
What part about "Nexus needs to approve the game category first" have you been i...
I snorted 2 redbulls ok
paper spade
I've submitted 3 mods in like 2 hours dawg
it's already started
just have some patience
deft bane
When you are up on 20 hours on end, time is nothing
paper spade
it'll either be up tomorrow, or by monday
deft bane
reee
left grove
think of this way rena
we have plenty of time for polishing out the bugs while its pending
@neon yacht i dont plan on claiming that pilotzoom mod as my own cause you did all the work lmao. toss that baby up on your github
deft bane
we have plenty of time for polishing out the bugs while its pending
true true, I mean I kinda cleaned out the bugs so yeah, also idk how powerful the Milspec drones are now after fixing it 
neon yacht
<@367512738521415680> i dont plan on claiming that pilotzoom mod as my own cause...
I really hate setting up that sort of stuff, I'd rather spend the time making more mods lol.
left grove
lmao. ok ill post it on mine but you are getting full credit for it XD
left grove
when the nexus is ready yeah
for now. so others can find it easily. ill host it. like the olympic flame XD
deft bane
lol
paper spade
I have no mouth, but I must feed
left grove
I have no mouth, but I must feed
deft bane
What am I looking at
left grove
titan has no mouth and must feed
deft bane
all the ores spilling out
left grove
most likely
paper spade
I need to stop picking up life pods
Yeet Protocol makes it impossible to actually use the arms to hold them, cause the drones will always try to grab it and pull it in if unmarked is on
and if it's off, it'll always push the pod away
paper spade
If anything I think Yeet Protocol should be tweaked so that it doesn't Yeet things like life pods
neon yacht
big things are happening
deft bane
oh shittt
deft bane
big things are happening
I see you using my old drones still lol
neon yacht
it's whatever i had in the mods folder, i think i was checking the stats on those for you
neon yacht
i'm now going to attempt what we call a "bad idea"
and throw every mod from ktech, ntced, and bootleg industries all in at once
deft bane
Its time to cook
paper spade
and throw every mod from ktech, ntced, and bootleg industries all in at once
oh, that's fine actually