Squadron 303 new ship brainstorm | Kodera Software | Page 4

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 7:24 PM

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hm

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I didn't download the right files, right?

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 7:25 PM

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looks like the old ones yeah

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should look like this

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oh yeah I removed the ones with a -1- and replaced the normal ones again, seemed to work this time . Maybe I should've mentioned that

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 7:26 PM

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thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 7:28 PM

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It feels wrong to be angry at technology and yet here I am .

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 7:29 PM

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no worries, I'm too 😛

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how would you feel dropping them directly to git?

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 7:29 PM

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Should be fine I think

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 7:46 PM

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okay, how does that look?

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transparency check:

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 7:47 PM

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Imo looks quite nice 👌 (absolutely no bias to speak of)

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I'll be back in about 10 minutes, gotta make a call

vestal idol Jan 28, 2023, 8:01 PM

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I like that. The pebbled texture on the metal seems pretty rough and deep-cut.

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 8:01 PM

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Ok I'm back

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On second viewing it almost looks like one of those uhhhh

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bent swords with like blades made with carbon steel

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Emergency space machete

urban aspen Jan 28, 2023, 8:05 PM

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I'm getting "portable CD player" vibes. Might I suggest oval/teardrop shape buttons, recessing them, or making them silver?

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 8:06 PM

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@thin furnace could you make that strut bended?

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 8:06 PM

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What angle?

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or just like a joint to connect 2 in any way

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 8:07 PM

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I was thinking about something that follows this curve

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 8:07 PM

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ooh alrite

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 8:08 PM

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context: I want to put a pivot here and rotate it down when it's powered down

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https://tenor.com/view/zooming-in-percival-de-rolo-iii-the-legend-of-vox-machina-magnifying-lens-taking-a-closer-look-gif-27455251

Tenor

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 8:10 PM

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something like this? [ignore the thing on the right]

brave knoll Jan 28, 2023, 8:10 PM

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yeah perfect

thin furnace Jan 28, 2023, 8:11 PM

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Alritey then 2 mins and I'll send it

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in the cloud as HUD-strut-bent

vestal idol Jan 28, 2023, 10:00 PM

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I'd personally put a visible screw securing it to the plate.

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But, aesthetic decision. Kinda like, "Fancy branding detail" crossbred with "fuck it, it works, this isn't a fricking Lambo."

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You know . . . there are VR lenses that I saw in development that claimed they could work with a projector embedded in that plate. The image originated from the edge of the lens.

rotund pasture Jan 29, 2023, 1:10 AM

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I love the way this HUD is shaping up. It looks really Unique and special

proper lagoon Jan 29, 2023, 1:55 AM

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same

shy lichen Jan 29, 2023, 10:15 AM

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Has the ship been put in the dealership yet, or do we still need the ship file?

thin furnace Jan 29, 2023, 10:16 AM

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Experimental has it at the dealer

shy lichen Jan 29, 2023, 10:17 AM

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Ah, aight

royal parcel Jan 29, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Don't get me wrong, i like the concept, but i can't help but think: If the new HUD is literally a HUD - as it uses physical, transparent displays - where do the other game HUDs come from?

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As in: How are they physically displayed? HAL is clear of course, it has classic displays, which makes it technically not a HUD, but anyways.

thin furnace Jan 29, 2023, 4:00 PM

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The OMS is supposed to be a separate screen, but the HUDs are just the ship's computer's overlays over the drone feed

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...as far as I know

royal parcel Jan 29, 2023, 4:01 PM

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Hmm...

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So we have a screen in the cockpit that shows the drone feed and is invulnerable to EMP, most HUDs are just displayed on the same screen, but HAL and this one need distinct displays?

thin furnace Jan 29, 2023, 4:04 PM

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My personal theory is that the drone feed screen is wholly separate from everything else (has its own battery, all components are completely shielded apart from the antenna), but then you also have a transparent display on top that shows the HUD elements, and that's connected to the computer

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Either that or it's literally on your helmet I suppose

royal parcel Jan 29, 2023, 4:06 PM

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Yeh, i guess you can explain it that way

thin furnace Jan 29, 2023, 4:07 PM

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So the lifepod display is just analog (needs to be sturdy more than it needs to be fancy) and this ship's folds in so that it doesn't shatter when you crash or something 😄

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This is all just my theorizing By The Way

royal parcel Jan 29, 2023, 4:10 PM

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Would that be so bad? It's a physical display, it would still be there on Enceladus. (Same for HAL) Should be behind the menus of course but i can see that working.

languid cliff Jan 29, 2023, 4:16 PM

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HUD powered down and visible behind the menus wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion.

shy lichen Jan 29, 2023, 4:24 PM

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The NCDI has issues with gimballed thrusters on this ship (Pressing E rotates it as normal, but pressing Q causes it to switch between counterclockwise and clockwise rotation rapidly).

This issue however is not present on actual autopilot, so I'm wondering if its a bug with the fly-by system

brave knoll Jan 29, 2023, 4:26 PM

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royal parcel Would that be so bad? It's a physical display, it would still be there on Encela...

Looks bad, tried it with HAL

royal parcel Jan 29, 2023, 4:33 PM

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Aw. :( Would be much cooler though if the screen won't vanish mid-dive when the computer is offline.

shy lichen Jan 29, 2023, 4:34 PM

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shy lichen The NCDI has issues with gimballed thrusters on this ship (Pressing E rotates it...

Apparently the fly-by wire system in general is having issues, as the EIAA autopilot has the same problem

warm zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:06 PM

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The EMP effects are switched. An EMP would definitelly kill a remote video feed via it's jamming effects, probably damage the entire comm system unless properly protected, and would have a harder time disrupting stuff that's inside the ship's metal hull, especially if it is purposefully shielded. I'd propose switching the effects, lose the video feed and keep the data that the computer gives you and attitude control. You keep lidar and see where the stuff that's around you is, but the computer doesn't tell you what each thing is. Comms, drone feed and enceladus feed are lost, maybe permanently until you come back to make repairs. Add a comm system to upgrade.

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Would this be worthy of a new community ideas thread?

royal parcel Jan 29, 2023, 5:13 PM

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warm zinc Would this be worthy of a new community ideas thread?

Yeah, def out of scope for this one. Cool idea with some issues though, i think, worthy of its own thread.

dawn crag Jan 29, 2023, 6:26 PM

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Maybe the drone feed comes via optical link?

vestal idol Jan 29, 2023, 10:50 PM

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royal parcel So we have a screen in the cockpit that shows the drone feed and is invulnerable...

Imagine the HUD comes with its' own console and interface. The AP is the software, the HUD is the keyboard, mouse, monitor.

thin furnace Jan 29, 2023, 10:55 PM

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I like to imagine that the K37 HUD is literally just a laptop running a custom Linux system with a very raw and specialized DE

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||~~would also explain why the hacker crewmember can disable ships with simple Linux commands over... Radio ssh(?)~~|| < crew quirk spoiler inside

rotund pasture Jan 29, 2023, 11:00 PM

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lol

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In the Future Everything Runs Linux XD

vestal idol Jan 29, 2023, 11:00 PM

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Almost everything. <glares at the EIME>

rotund pasture Jan 29, 2023, 11:02 PM

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We speak not of that Abomination

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 12:24 AM

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That abomination with the very attractive engines…

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also I think the OCV rn is actually better than the EIME

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it has a massive cargo bay that can easily fit tons of stuff, has two high stress points for arms

and of course it can accept the fusion torch drives

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 12:50 AM

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It doesn't really use the ARMs well . . . and anything can fit fusion. The OCV has a lot of quirks and awkwardness, though. She's gonna take some getting used to. She might be a beast I have to fly on manual, only using autopilot for stability.

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Some refinement is still needed, I think.

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 1:19 AM

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vestal idol It doesn't really use the ARMs well . . . and anything can fit fusion. The OCV ...

Yeah I’ve been using manual for ore collection with the arms

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Works pretty well actually

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 1:50 AM

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The ARMs like to throw things across the opening of the bay, missing it entirely, if they're too close. And this happens often, unless you close up every time, because anything not going directly in across the center likes to 'roll' along the inner wall.

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Need tweaking so they aim for center.

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 1:53 AM

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I mean sometimes they go for the center when they have two at the same time

languid cliff Jan 30, 2023, 8:27 AM

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vestal idol Need tweaking so they aim for center.

Could also be a interaction between the awkward position, a small margin of error and damage resulting in bad accuracy.

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I am not entirely sure, because I usually end up with damaged arms as they are expensive to repair.

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:18 AM

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@thin furnace could you get me that strut as a variant in plastic material and smoothed?

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:18 AM

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Sure thing 👍

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@brave knoll separate sprite or replacement for the earlier one?

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:24 AM

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separate, I want to mix and match them

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:25 AM

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uploaded to cloud :)

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:28 AM

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if you have spare time, you can work on the design of the circual dials we put on these blinds

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:28 AM

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I'll have time in about an hour, in class now 😄

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:29 AM

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https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/classes/class_textureprogress.html this is what we will be using

Godot Engine documentation

TextureProgress

Inherits: Range< Control< CanvasItem< Node< Object Texture-based progress bar. Useful for loading screens and life or stamina bars. Description: TextureProgress works like ProgressBar, but uses up ...

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some vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5poF352bDsQ

YouTube

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Progress bar, texture progress and circular texture bar in Godot!

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:29 AM

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Fill clockwise will be very useful

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:29 AM

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we are using this already on Prospector HUD

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thing to note - this one doesn't have normal maps; might require additional sprite in the background

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the TextureProgress itself will just represent the raw readout image

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:30 AM

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fair fair, so let's say something like a solid color for the readout, then something like a bulging glass pane to be overlaid on top?

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maybe bulging is the wrong word 😄

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This sort of Thing

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:34 AM

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yeah, something like this

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You probably want to make the bulge really pronounced so it catches the light right

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:34 AM

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👍

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Then I'll get on it as soon as I'm home (since rendering on battery power isn't the best idea)

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concept drawing speedrun

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:41 AM

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I was actually considering putting everything important in 4-6 circles we already have.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:41 AM

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ohhh ok fair fair

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so all circular then?

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 11:42 AM

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they fit a square text block pretty well, with some space for headers and misc data on the sides

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:55 AM

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maybe some things could be color-coded, like speed (every 50m/s, the color gets closer to red)

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(things like DeltaV would be the other way around, getting redder the lower they go, maybe even with a gradient)

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hmm, how "smart" could those be? since stuff like DeltaV would vary a lot, (IF we want a gauge for it) would it be possible for the meter to adjust itself as such where the transit reserve is at the halfway point?

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hmmm, or maybe have 2 textures for it, yellow for remaining deltaV compared to the initial value, red for transit reserve

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and the latter would be overlaid on top with like half opacity

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 12:19 PM

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hmm gradient looks quite nice I think, more agnostic as well

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 12:25 PM

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I don't see the bumpy plastic fake skin texture on these normal maps

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 12:26 PM

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ohhh ok I thought that by "smoothed" you meant a smooth plastic without the bumps

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my bad my bad

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 12:26 PM

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nah I meant not this:

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 12:26 PM

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yeah that's fair 😄

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corrected and uploaded :)

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 12:58 PM

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How's this?

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I'll have to make the increment bars procedural so I can adjust how many there are but that's the concept

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 1:01 PM

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are you sure this will be visible at all?

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I mean it looks fine, but you'll probably just register the outer band

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 1:04 PM

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well, presuming a 128x128 res, it should be at least somewhat noticeable I'd hope

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the main part the player would be interested in is the glowing part and the 2 text boxes

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The rest is kinda just flavor 😄

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the actual functional part (not counting text) is like uhh just a circle essentially

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then you have this overlaid

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Actually maybe looks better without the bars 🤔

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alternatively, we could place them on top of the gradient so it kinda feels more stepped

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Uploaded for testing as gauge-meter and gauge-overlay

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 1:30 PM

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It would be very cool if the "severity" stripe around the gauge that dynamically adjusted to benchmarks relevant to your configuration, like remass's red mark being at your transit reserve.

Bonus points, one more thing to flicker to life and adjust itself from zero as the computer boots up.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Yeah, I'd like to make a few color variants specifically for that purpose :)

And by a few I mean like literally a yellow circle and a red circle

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Might also be good to combine all the final gauge textures into a spritesheet so there's fewer texture calls

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:07 PM

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thoughts?

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:08 PM

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ooh I like that

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:08 PM

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:08 PM

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will it fold underneath the larger one? That would be really cool

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:08 PM

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inter-transparency is challenging

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:08 PM

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Fair fair

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looks nice either way 👌

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:08 PM

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I mean - can be done, but it requires a higher GPU load

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Not worth it for a single effect I think 😅

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especially one that would only ever be relevant when turning the thing off or on

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BUT I like how that looks!

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:11 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/TU4RyUg

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OCP-209 unfold

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:11 PM

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Beautiful 💖

urban aspen Jan 30, 2023, 2:12 PM

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smooooth

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:12 PM

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if you could adjust the strut so it has the same curve as the glass, it would look even better

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Separate sprite or replacement sprite?

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:16 PM

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replacement

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:18 PM

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Updated (the plastic ones at least)

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metal coming in a sec

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:19 PM

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I don't think we'll use metal. It's too bright.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:19 PM

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Fair enough, in that case done 👍

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:21 PM

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thin furnace alternatively, we could place them on top of the gradient so it kinda feels more...

for this sort of effect

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Or This

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:27 PM

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I think these might be too small to put numbers inside

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https://imgur.com/a/ndbTjpT

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OCP-209 Boot

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Okay, need feedback on both visuals and layout

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I'm concerned that this will end up too big

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https://imgur.com/a/WnpEwXG

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OCP-209 small resolution bootup

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here is this HUD in the smallest possible resolution

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I'd like to point out that if we use 4 of these it will most likely cover the entire screen

torpid canyon Jan 30, 2023, 2:30 PM

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brave knoll https://imgur.com/a/WnpEwXG

that's clearly too big, even with the transparency

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:33 PM

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Yeah that's quite a chonker

torpid canyon Jan 30, 2023, 2:33 PM

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making the displays a bit more luminous would help too

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:36 PM

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how's this?

torpid canyon Jan 30, 2023, 2:36 PM

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the upper one seems reasonable

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:38 PM

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probably out of scope, but having an option so that people could personally determine the size of their hud could be a pretty good idea

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:38 PM

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shy lichen probably out of scope, but having an option so that people could personally dete...

Options -> UI scale

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already there :)

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:38 PM

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thin furnace Options -> UI scale

Well I mean I wasn’t wrong 💀

torpid canyon Jan 30, 2023, 2:38 PM

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but ship / HUD specific?

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:39 PM

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though I wasn’t thinking the whole UI, just the ship hud

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:39 PM

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torpid canyon but ship / HUD specific?

ye

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Further simplified gauge, I think this should be quite clear

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[not shown: glass dome on top]

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:40 PM

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thin furnace Further simplified gauge, I think this should be quite clear

That looks like a fuel gauge

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green for full

red for empty

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:40 PM

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That will be one of the color variants :>

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:40 PM

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oooo nice

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ngl I’m loving how the ship performs rn 💀

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:41 PM

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My plan is make one overlay
which is this

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and then a few variants of this for various readouts

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Oooo, I see

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:42 PM

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torpid canyon the upper one seems reasonable

both present the same scale on different resolutions. Topmost one is on deck-like display, the second one is on fullhd

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We need to iron out this shape before I commit to making more displays, just to conserve the work

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Very fair very fair

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FWIW I think that scale is perfect

shy lichen Jan 30, 2023, 2:43 PM

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same

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:44 PM

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@thin furnace try downloading the full HD one and put that dial of yours on top of that - just to peek on how the scale would work

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:44 PM

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👌

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Should've turned on bloom so it blends in better Oh Well 😄

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looks alright to me :) let's say 3 per major circle should be a-ok

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Also depends on the number of major circles but You Know what I mean

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:51 PM

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here

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:52 PM

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ooh Alrite

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Then they could be at half the current res it seems

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Not number friendly anymore though 😔

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brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:55 PM

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that was my point

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but it might be good to represent things that you need to see at a glance, like fuel and capacitor power left

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Fair, fair

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 2:55 PM

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I do seem to recall you suggested icons?

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 2:56 PM

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Lurkily suggested them, and then I made them :)

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Should be buried in here somewhere one second

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Here they are

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There was a third one I think but I can't find it >:|

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Well not like it's a hard thing to make anyway 😄

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something along these lines then?

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well I suppose for the capacitor it would be this

languid cliff Jan 30, 2023, 3:09 PM

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brave knoll how's this?

is this at max HUD size?

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 3:09 PM

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Doesn't look half bad, not sure about the readability

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important: do we do a reference to the game's logo

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 3:17 PM

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also looking for ideas for placement and content of the rest of hudscreens

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I feel we could mirror this one in the bottom-left corner, displaying cargo bay and...?

solid sorrel Jan 30, 2023, 3:20 PM

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I'm loving the idea of a "fuel gauge" what about a small indicator light that comes on when you dip below your transit reserve limit? "gas light"

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and maybe even a ding or something to go along with it

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 3:22 PM

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brave knoll I feel we could mirror this one in the bottom-left corner, displaying cargo bay ...

Maybe it's a boring suggestion but one could display the cargo bay and the other could display processed cargo

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That way the bay could take up all the real estate on the circle

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 4:19 PM

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 4:28 PM

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I like that :)

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I think this looks better without the green

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New Files uploaded btw, also as a spritesheet since they're all for constructing the same thing

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 4:52 PM

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 4:54 PM

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ooooo that's noice

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Will the processed cargo be in the "inner" ring? Like between the cargo hold display and volume

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 4:55 PM

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thin furnace New Files uploaded btw, also as a spritesheet since they're all for constructing...

Also just realized I should've reversed the order on the spritesheet in case I wanna add more icons . Whoops

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I'll update that soon

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 5:01 PM

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brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 5:01 PM

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thin furnace Will the processed cargo be in the "inner" ring? Like between the cargo hold d...

outer ring, I think

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https://imgur.com/a/SCifbGz

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OCP-209 Cargo Hold Display

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Just as good 😌

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oooo that's really nice

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if a bit distracting 😄

dawn crag Jan 30, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Marqueeeeeeee

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 5:32 PM

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thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 5:40 PM

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That's very nice 👌

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Does that space itself to fill the circle evenly?

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If so that's really cool

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 5:49 PM

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brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 5:49 PM

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thin furnace If so that's really cool

spent 15 minutes making that

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 5:50 PM

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incredibly good job 👌

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When this thing gets released I'll be turning it off and on again like every 20 seconds just to see the animation

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 5:54 PM

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I'm actually considering slapping flight params into one corner, the OMS in the second, and calling that a day

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resolution check:

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 6:02 PM

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brave knoll I'm actually considering slapping flight params into one corner, the OMS in the ...

Honestly would work quite well imo - put them inside the circles, [optionally] slap some gauges around for the most important things and then that's like already a pretty functional and good looking hud 👍

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Especially if the flight params utilize the circular text as well

warm zinc Jan 30, 2023, 6:49 PM

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Circular text is hard to read, I'd reccomend separating the top of the circle and the bottom of the circle as two separate lines, and displaying the lower text inverted so that it is upright. It's not unreadable, but you do have to lose focus on other things and look at it for a second or two.

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 7:03 PM

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warm zinc Circular text is hard to read, I'd reccomend separating the top of the circle an...

Well get to that feedback stage when you have hands-on on the HUD yourself; much looks different live

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OMS

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@vestal idol you want to take a jab on the HUD description? I'm trying to wrap it all up today for initial exprimental release

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 7:26 PM

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@thin furnace @vestal idol this would probably be the final one of the panels. Now we can put dials in there

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res check/small screen:

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 7:32 PM

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Bit crowded on the small res but Not more than the K225's HUD so it gets my gold star of approval

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I put some dial sprites up in the cloud for testing, not sure if that's the final look we want but it's Something alrite

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 7:58 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/frodo-baggins-its-over-its-done-lotr-gif-12920799

Tenor

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That was one hell of an epic. And I'm pretty sure there will be a lot of balancing and polishing things, but I close the issue 4486 now

urban aspen Jan 30, 2023, 8:04 PM

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it's... really not more crowded than the K225?

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 8:30 PM

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@thin furnace I'm spent for today, so I won't be testing any of the gauges - but you can grab some screenshots and try to figure out good placements for them. We have about 9 places for gauges and 3 to 6 for warning lights (and some gauge space can be taken by the controls). No need to fill them all up, I would assume these should go for the things that you really often need to see at a glance.

Everybody is welcome to chip in to this, of course.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 8:40 PM

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No problemo, no rush :)

I'll take a few glances when I have a free moment, and a bit more tomorrow - I'll also get some graphics for the warning lights and whatnot

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 8:59 PM

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solid sorrel Jan 30, 2023, 9:05 PM

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please gas light 🙏

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 9:05 PM

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A few suggestions:

dangerous velocity (above 150m/s?)
dangerous acceleration
low remass/capacitor
less than X% overall ship health

solid sorrel Jan 30, 2023, 9:05 PM

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high reactor temp?

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 9:06 PM

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ooh perhaps

solid sorrel Jan 30, 2023, 9:06 PM

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would these lights be having sounds going along with them?

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I would like to see like more of a "ding" for certain warnings instead of the full alarm

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different sounds for different things

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and lights to go along with that is perfection

dull warren Jan 30, 2023, 9:07 PM

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thin furnace A few suggestions: - dangerous velocity (above 150m/s?) - dangerous acceleration...

processed cargo storage full

young spoke Jan 30, 2023, 9:15 PM

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shitters clogged

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:15 PM

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brave knoll I'm concerned that this will end up too big

Can you rotate the second one on a second hinge, counterclockwise? It'd look like it's SUPPOSED to overlap when folded, but you'd never see it, evading the cost.

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 9:16 PM

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vestal idol Can you rotate the second one on a second hinge, counterclockwise? It'd look lik...

Isn't this what we have now?

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:18 PM

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thin furnace Further simplified gauge, I think this should be quite clear

What about painted-on icons inside the gauge, and a needle or indicator without numbers, just zero to full.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 9:18 PM

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That's the new idea :)

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we have uhhh

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3 icons (For Now), a blank gauge and a few color variants for the indicator

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:19 PM

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Sorry. Still catching up.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 9:19 PM

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no worries, no rush

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:20 PM

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brave knoll Isn't this what we have now?

The only animation I saw had both swinging in as a single unit. If that's changed, cool.

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 9:20 PM

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oh, they are hinged, but since the hinged one is tied to the main, the movement is sometimes hard to pinpoint

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see here? https://imgur.com/a/ndbTjpT

Imgur

OCP-209 Boot

▶ Play video

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Is this in the beta build? Could be nice to handle it before doing the description.

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 9:21 PM

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It's up in experimental for everybody

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Cool.

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I see it.

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This looks pretty cool, judging from a cell phone screen.

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:24 PM

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brave knoll res check/small screen:

Dials not yet implemented here?

brave knoll Jan 30, 2023, 9:25 PM

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nope, at this stage we need to figure out what dials to put and where

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then again, it already has HAL HUD features

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 9:41 PM

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I would say remass, speed, and heat are what I like to have quickly available.

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Though, not speed so much, if it doesn't provide numbers. Remass, heat, and power balance or supercap capacity.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 10:23 PM

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oh also since those displays look pretty fancy, maybe with the description you could go the route of like uhh

Much like Obonto Habitats, the OCP's HUD and interface combine combine luxury and utilitarianism. Something something comfort something something ease of use

languid cliff Jan 30, 2023, 10:27 PM

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warm zinc Circular text is hard to read, I'd reccomend separating the top of the circle an...

not really. take a look at it in game yourself.

dull warren Jan 30, 2023, 10:32 PM

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thin furnace oh also since those displays look pretty fancy, maybe with the description you c...

Those plastic trim pieces that look like they came out of a 2004 Honda Civic are not exactly what I'd call luxurious...

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 10:33 PM

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Hmmmmmmmm TRUE

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Buuuuuuut there's not much fossils in space . Maybe plastic is now a highly sought after and rare commodity

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 10:34 PM

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Any particular reason the mineral readings rotate?

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 10:34 PM

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You roll up to the party wearing Crocs and your friends are like "Holy smokes you can afford RUBBER????"

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 10:36 PM

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Honestly, it's a bucket excavator, not a sports car, I'd rather not characterize it as luxury equipment.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 10:43 PM

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Fair fair

vestal idol Jan 30, 2023, 10:46 PM

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A pip indicator for what is the current autopilot "Forward" for your cargo bay, so that you have a frame of reference for shifting cargo?

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Or rotate the whole display - not the text, but the scanner output. Positioned like this with the excavator closed, rotating so the gate is 'up' when it's open.

thin furnace Jan 30, 2023, 11:10 PM

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I gotta admit I do find it very funny to imagine a luxurious plastic interior being marketed

"Modeled after genuine vintage trucks from the 2010s"

Kinda like how vulcanized rubber used to be in everything but nowadays it's called "Ebonite" and they put it in luxurious stationery

rotund pasture Jan 30, 2023, 11:20 PM

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vestal idol Jan 31, 2023, 12:03 AM

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The imperfections are looking right, I think.

brave knoll Jan 31, 2023, 10:06 AM

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there are two displays that could be flipped or swapped - they currently have the glass edge on the outside. This would make the HUD a bit more transparent. Yay or Nay?

vestal idol Jan 31, 2023, 10:08 AM

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The only problem I see is that the flourish on the upper left display has the largest round spots where dials would have the most visibility.

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 10:09 AM

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I'm a yay on this one but also considering if I should make more variants for the braces; with all the sizes being the same it makes the thing look a bit weird I think

vestal idol Jan 31, 2023, 10:09 AM

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Other than that, all for the flip. Transparency is nice.

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 10:09 AM

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thin furnace I'm a yay on this one but also considering if I should make more variants for th...

That and it would allow for a variant with more space for dials - which we could put on the OMS circle for example

brave knoll Jan 31, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Finished is better than perfect.

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This didn't upset anybody when we did HALHUD

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I should be able to get to work on the flip in about 4 hours

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 10:59 AM

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Fair enough !

brave knoll Jan 31, 2023, 10:59 AM

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then we'll see what dials do we fit and where; if there is a reason to have another brace, we can do that.

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One possibility is to have these two up there square-ish? less space wasted

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with rounded exposed edges?

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as long as the size will be the same, implementation will be pretty tame

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 11:01 AM

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Fair fair, I think we'd like 3 next to the counters for capacitor/remass/temp, then some lights on the other ones and maybe some more dials (if we come up with some good ones) or lamps next to the OMS

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 11:01 AM

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brave knoll One possibility is to have these two up there square-ish? less space wasted

Could be nice, I'll see what I can do

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Presuming we want them to be thicker in the same direction that the strut goes in?

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 11:03 AM

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brave knoll as long as the size will be the same, implementation will be pretty tame

No worries about that, I'll adjust them to the original and won't move the glass 👍

languid cliff Jan 31, 2023, 11:39 AM

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thin furnace I'm a yay on this one but also considering if I should make more variants for th...

That would be nice

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It is not high priority in my opinion, but it bothers part of me

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Just a heads up, the new gauges and braces might be a bit later than expected

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Spending more time recording today than we planned

vestal idol Jan 31, 2023, 6:44 PM

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Had a thought, while considering this vs the K37 HUD.

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I imagined a gauge that had a needle for velocity, as normal, but also a pip for the AP-set velocity moving along the outer edge of the gauge as you issue AP commands.

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 8:03 PM

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I like the idea :)

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Also, too tired to do the sprites today, apologies 😔

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We were supposed to have a quick recording session but due to some technical difficulties we spent 5 hours in the studio

brave knoll Jan 31, 2023, 8:10 PM

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no worries. take care of yourself!

thin furnace Jan 31, 2023, 8:24 PM

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Thank you! Tomorrow I'm having a free day so I'll have more time for those

vestal idol Jan 31, 2023, 11:44 PM

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The stock HUD of Obonto's Orbital Construction Platform is an unexpected juxtaposition of style, economy, and utility. The interesting folding structure, circular displays, and branded, curvy styling are a bit at odds with the inexpensive plastic and utilitarian design. The extra physical hardware is less convenient than a digital HUD, but independent power and control systems give them a degree of redundancy that a digital overlay cannot offer.

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 10:16 AM

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@thin furnace do you have ETA on updated graphics?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 11:21 AM

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~2-3 hours

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Might be less but I don't want to overpromise 😅

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:13 PM

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simplified design for the smaller braces

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:15 PM

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vestal idol ```The stock HUD of Obonto's Orbital Construction Platform is an unexpected juxt...

~~I would kill for you to add "inspired by the interiors of vintage trucks of the 2010s" to this description~~

vestal idol Feb 1, 2023, 12:17 PM

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Vintage trucks of 13 years ago? 🙂

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:18 PM

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Well, the joke is that in-universe, the 2010s were over a century ago

vestal idol Feb 1, 2023, 12:18 PM

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Feels kind of out of universe. But I'll take a look when I get home. Probably more like later 20th or early 21st century.

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:19 PM

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Also works 👌

vestal idol Feb 1, 2023, 12:19 PM

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Not sure I've seen a lot of trucks look like that, though the plastic texture is kind of a universal among vehicles, period.

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 12:30 PM

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thin furnace simplified design for the smaller braces

you want to adjust these to lose the Obonto branding? Also, I was expecting the squarish one.

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:31 PM

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Hmm, I might add the swoop back but not sure if it's as important in the tinier braces 🙂

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Also, what do you mean by squarish? 90° angles or a bent rectangle?

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 12:32 PM

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rectangular screens to represent the OMS and Flight Params data

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 12:33 PM

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brave knoll there are two displays that could be flipped or swapped - they currently have th...

these two

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:33 PM

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Ohhhh ok !!

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Then I'll keep this one in case we want it for the gravimetric drone and I'm getting to work on the squares

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256x256?

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or do we want it larger for those

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How about this sort of shape?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 12:59 PM

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@brave knoll uploaded a few new gauges and the braces :)

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let me know if anything needs adjustment

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:00 PM

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how about we lose that part?

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we'd get the "exposed glass corner" just like for the circle ones

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also, this will need a L-shaped strut to rotate on

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:03 PM

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Sure thing 👌

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:11 PM

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brave knoll how about we lose that part?

Done and uploaded 👍

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Might be a bit small so if we need it at a higher res let me know

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:12 PM

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512x512?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:12 PM

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256x256 😅 but that's a clear signal that it is a bit small

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:13 PM

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the previous one was 256x256?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:14 PM

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yeah the circles are 256x[256 + brace]

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That doesn't sound right 🤔

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I might've borked something up

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:15 PM

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256x256 will do fine

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:16 PM

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Alright then :)

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in that case HUD-1 is large circle, HUD-2 is small circle, HUD-3 is square

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There's also -3-squished for squished square purposes

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:17 PM

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previous are 512x440

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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Hmm, if the large ones are getting replaced with squares, the other ones won't take up than a quarter of a 1080p screen each I reckon, should I make them smaller?

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:18 PM

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if you use another size than 512x440 I'll have a shitton of work adjusting that all

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:19 PM

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oop, nevermind then

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:19 PM

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it needs to match the interior viewport

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:30 PM

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90° strut added

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:32 PM

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it will go here, that sharp 90' on interior will not look good.
also: 512x512, or the different resolutions will make the textures look bad

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but RN I need HUD-3 in 512x440

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:38 PM

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Got it !

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uploaded 👍

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New strut uploaded as well now

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 1:49 PM

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glass bevel size mismatch 😛

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 1:50 PM

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Forgor to adjust it for the higher res 💀

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OH WELL quick fix

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Updated :) should be just above a pixel thick now

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:10 PM

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here we go

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TBH I'm not sure about this

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we have overlap on the smallest screen:

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:13 PM

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lower right looks pretty good, top left feels too large

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too much empty real estate

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:14 PM

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I wonder if we should make these screens 4:3 or 16:9?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:14 PM

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🤔 perhaps

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I'll see how that would look

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4:3 will look pretty good I think

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:21 PM

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yeah, I think so

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:21 PM

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Uploaded :)

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:22 PM

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4-3?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:22 PM

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yup

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:26 PM

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however:

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:27 PM

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Oooo that's very nice 👌

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also introduces a nice short puzzle that tests the player's deduction skills

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Maybe the struts could be a bit thinner though, they look a bit out of place

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:34 PM

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the L-struts are much thicker than the curved ones

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okay, this might work

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the problem with physical displays is that I can't make them grow when the content grows

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:36 PM

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Updated them to be thinner :)

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:36 PM

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brave knoll the problem with physical displays is that I can't make them grow when the conte...

Hmm yeah that's fair

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Let's say this is the last physical one for a while 😅

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:39 PM

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I need to go in 5 mins

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trying to upload a patch with this

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:42 PM

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I should go soon as well to cook dinner

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Might make some more gauges and icons later today

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 2:44 PM

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there are no gauge spaces on the new sprites, right?

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also, we need to figure which gauges go where

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 2:45 PM

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Hmm true

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I was thinking a little bar either on the top or bottom of the screen where a few indicator lights and like 3-5 gauges would go

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Not sure how well that would fit though so that's still in the air

languid cliff Feb 1, 2023, 2:58 PM

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brave knoll however:

Suggestion for solution: scrolling up and down automatically.

warm zinc Feb 1, 2023, 4:16 PM

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The length of the oms list correlates with the number of mounts a ship has in use. Would it be a bad idea to have a different oms screen asset for ships that have more mounts than the OCP?

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 4:38 PM

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That's called "the dedicated HUD". It has custom assets already.

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:14 PM

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@thin furnace how are these gauges meant to be assembled? 🤔

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 PM

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these parts with the gradients (or solid colors) go underneath (and they're meant to be the part with texture progression

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Then the sprites named "overlay" go on top of that to obscure most of it

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:15 PM

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okay, but the sprites are not transparent?

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:17 PM

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Let me check, one sec

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They're transparent alrite

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the intended effect is this

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Optionally an icon in the middle

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and just for layering reference here they are combined in GIMP

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:21 PM

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the raw texture

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gauge overlay

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 PM

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Odd, lemme double check the textures in the cloud

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 PM

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light:

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I'm going to check the shaders

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:24 PM

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cloud sprites look right 🤔 that's really weird

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Unless it's the AO map?

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 PM

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no, shader settings

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but I'm not really sure that this looks right

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:25 PM

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Yeah there does seem to be some weird artifacting

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:26 PM

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thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:26 PM

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Good news is the giant blot of darkness is right where an icon would obscure it

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:26 PM

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Okay, I probably imagined this different

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:27 PM

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I'm open to suggestions :)

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:27 PM

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what you seem to have here is an opaque hemisphere with a cutout that shows the gauge underneath

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I was thinking it will be a glass copula, with a dial beneath.

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:29 PM

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Quick to do at least 😄

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Wondering how to make the dial look right though, do we want for example a needle pointing at a scale or something like above with a circle that fills?

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Also just a heads up I'll be working on a short film with some other people right now so my responses might be delayed

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:32 PM

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the in-game look

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:32 PM

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hmm yeah doesn't really blend with the vibes well

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:33 PM

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thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:33 PM

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Does capture the "2004 Honda Civic" vibe at least 😅

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:33 PM

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thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 PM

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But alrite I'll remake them soon

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how do we feel about needles?

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 PM

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not for this hud

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 PM

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Alrite

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 PM

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I mean - cool, but a lot of work, while these I have ready

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 PM

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then a circle with a radial fill?

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:35 PM

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note this here is actually transparent

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we should probably use these under/over textures to make the gauge look right

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:36 PM

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brave knoll I mean - cool, but a lot of work, while these I have ready

I mean if they share a center then the [pseudo]code for the needle would be like uhh

self.rotation = degrees(current_value/max_value * 300 + 30)

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:36 PM

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this would help with that section here, that looks just transparent

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:37 PM

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Got it 👍 I tried to rely on as few textures as possible to reduce the number of calls 😅

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:37 PM

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the circual readout is 98 loc

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:38 PM

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Ok, so just to recap,

under - just a metal circle probably
gauge proper
over: glass dome (maybe opaque middle part?)

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do we want dividers

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:39 PM

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do note that these textures don't actually have normal maps or anything, so we should probably put that as "dark"

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:39 PM

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ohh ok that changes things a bit

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:40 PM

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this would solve that this part would look like a dial already

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:40 PM

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though makes them easier for me so I'm all for it

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:40 PM

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then we put over it a sprite with transparency that acts as a glass "copula" that catches lifght

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:41 PM

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ok, so then the plan is the gauge proper remains as it is, then an "over" texture that will give it some shape (maybe some variants for stepping it), and then just a piece of glass to make it look nice

brave knoll Feb 1, 2023, 9:41 PM

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so, as far as the geometry goes, I think the rim needs to be much more shallow, it catches too much light. And the dome... just go for hemisphere at the start, we'll see how that looks

thin furnace Feb 1, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Got it 👍 I'll do them first thing when I get home tomorrow

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 10:11 AM

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Any empty/mid/full markings?

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Painted on like the icons?

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:20 AM

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Not sure what do you mean, could you rephrase?

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

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clock-dial-empty-mechanical-watch-face-arrows-numbers-hour-marks-vector-set-realistic-mechanism-244129945.jpg

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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ah, we are not at this stage

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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...yet 👁️

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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right now we want to make these to look like there is a glass cover over the dial

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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Okay, so just a not yet be thing.

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 AM

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the dial design is a separate thing

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FWIW the dials will probably end up looking like there is a small OLED that is covered by a glass pane.

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:26 AM

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I mean I see no reason not to make some for later :> When I get to work on them today I'll make some scales too MAYBE

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:26 AM

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@thin furnace you have ETA? Not pushing, I just need to schedule my work accordingly.

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Like, no sense for me to open a pull request and just stare on the cloud waiting for files 😅

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:27 AM

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I'll be home in ~2 hours so like 3-4 hours from now? Depends on what I have for lunch 😄

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:27 AM

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@vestal idol If you have an idea what kind of dial should we put where, that would be most welcome at this point.

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:27 AM

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brave knoll <@463341777412292609> If you have an idea what kind of dial should we put where,...

actually, this applies to everyone who wants to chip in on this.

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I'm asking for stuff like this:
1 propellant
2 capacitor
3 reactor temperature

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 10:29 AM

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Heat, remass, and speed is what I'm most often looking for in a quick glance.

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:30 AM

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vestal idol

oh also, keep in mind those things will be TINY so I'm open for suggestions on how to make those somewhat visible 😅

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:35 AM

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thin furnace oh also, keep in mind those things will be TINY so I'm open for suggestions on h...

that's easy. just make them part of the glowing display

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Fair enough 😄

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:36 AM

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a horrible mockup:

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Should work, I'll make some variants with red emergency regions like speed

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do we want them 360°?

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 10:36 AM

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Oh, to make the ~~poops ~~ pips more visible.

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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the the what

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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let's focus on the dome first

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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Pips. Pips. Dammit.

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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we need to have that ironed out, with perhaps a black circle background; when that's done we can put icons and dials inside

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:37 AM

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Sure thing !

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as for shapes, I think we can also achieve that with the Over texture obscuring the dial, that way we could have the dial textures deciding on colors, while the overlay decides on the shape

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and then glass dome on top for flare

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:39 AM

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yes, the "under" texture should be "unlit dial", the progress "the dial that shows stuff" and the over texture "the shape of the thingie"

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:39 AM

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👍

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:39 AM

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we are putting the dome over it just to have that "this is physical dial" feel, instead of "this is a perfect OLED display"

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:40 AM

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Then all is clear I think :)

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:40 AM

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the dial itself needs to be, unfortunately, perfectly flat perfectly difuse material

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:40 AM

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Gotta go for a bit, my turn to record

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 10:40 AM

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I mean - I could probably write a custom shader for it, but I'm not sure it's worth it

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 10:50 AM

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Yeahh I think that would be a case where the juice is not worth the squeeze

young spoke Feb 2, 2023, 12:08 PM

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How about a little fan on the hud

young spoke Feb 2, 2023, 1:06 PM

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When your reactor runs hot it jumps in and spins till you cool down 😄

warm zinc Feb 2, 2023, 2:02 PM

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brave knoll <@463341777412292609> If you have an idea what kind of dial should we put where,...

These are actually the ones more apt for a small dial that shows only proportion and no actual numbers. Capacitor proportion is immediately useful. It would be nice if reactor temperature had notches at the lower and upper operation limits. Same with reaction mass, a notch at transit reserve would be nice.

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Will there be six of these? Consumables like nanodrone components and mass driver ammunition could also be useful.

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 2:21 PM

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Ooh that's a nice idea

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I think I know how I'll do the drone icon

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Also! Home and done with recording so time to get the sprites going ! Incoming in like half an hour

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a little FTL reference with the drone icon perhaps?

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 3:51 PM

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Can't figure out where this artifact is coming from and it's making me frustrated . What's it doing there !

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 3:54 PM

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get me the blend

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 3:54 PM

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Fixed at last

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oop

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 3:54 PM

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fixed already?

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 3:54 PM

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it was just the glass IOR being funky but since sprites won't care about bending light I just set it to 1.0

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Bit of a janky solution but hey it works

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 3:55 PM

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you use glass for this? I'd mix transparent with specular

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it does output glossy on the map, right?

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 3:56 PM

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yeah I set it so I can switch between a translucent shader and a glossy one on the fly :)

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All the glass parts in this HUD use this material, for reference

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would this work as a mass driver ammo icon?

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 4:02 PM

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for ammo questions, we should ask Americans

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:05 PM

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this was supposed to be drones but I think I got carried away 😅

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Kinda hard to imagine how they look apart from "ball of iron with mirrors and a hand"

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or not a hand but a tool I suppose

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Don't know where the hand came from

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Drone :)

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 4:12 PM

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I can offer no guidance today

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:12 PM

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No worries about that, just posting those for "like/dislike" feedback :)

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and to document stuff I suppose

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:17 PM

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vestal idol

would this kind of thing work?

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 4:43 PM

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the dome doesn't really catch all that much light

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what is the 3d shape of that?

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also, in-game

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I think you just can't see them

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:51 PM

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ah dang

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:52 PM

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brave knoll what is the 3d shape of that?

semi-flattened hemisphere

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 4:52 PM

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go for full hemisphere, I think

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:53 PM

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alrighty 👍

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 4:53 PM

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this kind of looks good already, but there is a weird blip at the centre

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also, could probably use some glass imperfections

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...and probably bigger in scale? This thing is pretty small

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oh icons - do them all white; we can re-colour in-engine

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 4:57 PM

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Fair point fair point

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:00 PM

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brave knoll ...and probably bigger in scale? This thing is pretty small

Which part specifically? Or do you mean like higher res for everything

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ohh wait the overlay ok that makes sense

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Updated and also I might just redo the overlay completely but figured I'd upload these since it's faster

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Dome should look better and have no bump hopefully

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:08 PM

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doesn't really have much going on on the normal map

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I meant to scale these up, on all xzy

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also, try half that many ticks

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:11 PM

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👍 currently in the process of making this procedural so I can adjust their number on the fly

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:11 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/designer-funny-boss-gif-13151052

Tenor

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:12 PM

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brave knoll doesn't really have much going on on the normal map

this is weird though, should look like this. Not sure if it's an issue with the cloud again or something else

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Either way I'll update it soon

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This HUD is way more frustrating of a design than I anticipated oughhhh that's on me though so can't complain too much 😅

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 5:18 PM

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thin furnace would this kind of thing work?

I would have a large notch at 1/2, smaller at 1/4 and 3/4, and 4 small notches (five markers from 0 to 1/4, including 1/4).

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:19 PM

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Alrite then I'll make 3 iterators of various sizes just in case we'll want different scales

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This one part is a bit miffing, can't rely on the visuals to convey the end result well

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Hopefully shohuuld work well though

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Since it's not a circle, 1/2 is easy to judge by sight, but 1/4 isn't, so mainly the quarters should be clear, and any ticks between that just give you a scale between ticks.

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:22 PM

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scale the noise texture up, and give it more displacement. You need at least 8x8px blob to be visible at all at this scale

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:25 PM

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More like this?

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:26 PM

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ooh, this one should be visible, yes!

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:26 PM

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Uploading !

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Them's some deep grooves alrite

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Do we want a few variants or is this something that shouldn't matter much on this scale? Maybe rotating it a bit would give enough variety 😄

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:28 PM

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let's see if one will be noticeable

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I suspect that this will be hidden by the light angle

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:28 PM

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ohh fair fair

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:28 PM

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also, you'd be surprised how much you can hide with rotation.

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we have ||three models of the big asteroids||, and it looks like much more

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:28 PM

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Trust me I'm aware 😄 One of the keys to working fast is being lazy

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:29 PM

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brave knoll we have ||three models of the big asteroids||, and it looks like much more

Yeah it's amazing how much you can do by just rotating and scaling something a bit, especially when doing sprites from a 3D model

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 5:30 PM

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I got updated -m on cloud, but not -c and -n ; perhaps it's a server timestamp issue or something? could you touch them?

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as in - unix command

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:31 PM

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not completely related but the -n on my end is like 5 versions behind I just noticed . Weird

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:34 PM

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brave knoll I got updated -m on cloud, but not -c and -n ; perhaps it's a server timestamp i...

I'm still having trouble with the nextcloud desktop so not sure if it will let me :[ But I can try

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oh also I didn't update the -c since it's the same flat color as earlier

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But maybe that could encourage the server to cooperate 😄

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 5:39 PM

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thin furnace I'm still having trouble with the nextcloud desktop so not sure if it will let m...

No luck, same issue as earlier; won't even let me sync and idk how (or even if) I can touch something on the server itself

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Man I should probably catch up on linux sysadmin stuff huh . Bought a book for it like 2 years ago and it's just collecting dust 😅

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 6:10 PM

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in better news I made a geometry nodes setup that lets me instance any number of lines on a circle so that's nice

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Hopefully I'll use it more than once 😄

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And there we have it, gauge overlay with customizable numbers of long and short markings . Nothing like spending an hour automating something I could do manually in 10 minutes

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 6:25 PM

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unfortunately, I still don't see the files updated :/

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 6:25 PM

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oof :[

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That's unfortunate

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worst case scenario I can always just zip them up and send through discord or something

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One moment, I'll render some gauge templates and then we can look into what to do

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 6:30 PM

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you could upload them through the web interface

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also, nexcloud exposes dav, I think linux should support that

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 6:33 PM

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brave knoll also, nexcloud exposes dav, I think linux should support that

yup, supported natively in the file browser :)

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I'll just need the data to set up a connection but that's probably better for DMs 😅

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 6:35 PM

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you can find it on web interface

sacred orchid Feb 2, 2023, 7:22 PM

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vestal idol ```The stock HUD of Obonto's Orbital Construction Platform is an unexpected juxt...

Very colorful description, it was a treat for my autistic brain to translate. Thank you.

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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okay, this os looking really dramatic in the preview now

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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Hmm yeah that does look really uhh

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Battle tested

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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Someone got real frustrated at the readout let me tell you

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 7:52 PM

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thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:53 PM

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Though I have to say I kinda like the way the grooves look, I should probably make them shallower BUT they make the thing look like a resin cast

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Updated, now it should be a bit more subtle

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 7:56 PM

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light can obscure the value. good or bad?

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:56 PM

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Also, feels a bit dark. Is there a way to make the gauge proper a bit brighter/emissive?

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Oop nevermind it's like he read my mind

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:56 PM

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brave knoll light can obscure the value. good or bad?

I think that's ok, happens irl, happens in-game 😄

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 7:56 PM

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let me work the dials on the shader...

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:57 PM

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Also, I added a few variants for the new gauge graphics, they can be made faster (since they're made with math) but they're also 360° (since that made the math easier)

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the benefit is that if we need a new one with a funky scale I can make and render it in about 15 seconds :)

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 7:59 PM

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thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 7:59 PM

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ooh that looks nice and clear

brave knoll Feb 2, 2023, 8:00 PM

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I'm going to call it a day for today

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it's a good progress, but I need rest

thin furnace Feb 2, 2023, 8:00 PM

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dials a bit small but hopefully the new ones will be clearer

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no worries, I feel like you definitely deserve the break 😄

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~~let's say that this is the last physical HUD for a while~~

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I think I'll call it for now as well, automated most things that would take time so any new adjustments should be very quick and easy

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 9:35 PM

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sacred orchid Very colorful description, it was a treat for my autistic brain to translate. Th...

Thank you!

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I personally feel like light obscuring the value probably doesn't seem right. Even on a real vehicle, if your gauges need to be small, you just have extra reason to use glass with high clarity. (Or displays bright enough to shine through it.)

The diffusion of the reflection I see on the close up looks reminds me of aging plastic instead.

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royal parcel Feb 2, 2023, 10:17 PM

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Agreed, real life has anti-reflex coatings. Maybe reduce the diffusion and reflexivity a bit to get a similar effect.

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You could also add a sort of glare shield that blocks light coming from the side.

vestal idol Feb 2, 2023, 11:56 PM

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I don't mind the glare THAT much - but it shouldn't be so matte and diffuse, and the displays can just be a bit brighter to shine through.

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brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 8:40 AM

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there are technical limitations to what these shaders can do

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while it's possible to write another one just for this, I don't think that's wise

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@thin furnace I think you broke the colour mapping on these, let me just do a quick check...

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 8:52 AM

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Ah dang

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 8:52 AM

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either that, or I'm using a wrong file

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 8:55 AM

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I'll take a look soon, presume it's gonna get fixed 😄 my guess is i might've uploaded my backup file yesterday instead of the fresh-out-the-oven one

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 9:11 AM

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@thin furnace @vestal idol how's that for the final aesthetic? Should we get greenlight on that, I'm rigging them to the engine.

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:14 AM

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I quite like it! Feels much more coherent with the rest of the HUD than the earlier versions

Not so sure about the icon size but I guess there's not much we can do about that, here's hoping those designs are good enough to be readable at this scale 😄

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 9:24 AM

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I'm afraid you can't see the drone icon at this scale

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what was the third here supposed to be?

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:26 AM

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I was thinking propellant, but I'm open to suggestions

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:26 AM

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brave knoll I'm afraid you can't see the drone icon at this scale

RIP my FTL reference

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Adding "simpler drone icon" to today's to-do list 🙂

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:27 AM

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thin furnace I was thinking propellant, but I'm open to suggestions

(that way all the "storage" gauges would be in one place) [alternatively ∆V could fit there too]

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 9:28 AM

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@thin furnace I don't see an icon for reactor temperature?

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going to suggest dv_radioactive

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:29 AM

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👌 I had three drafts for that one and forgot to render any of them 😄

But at least I know which one to choose :)

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 9:29 AM

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...and for the temperature we need a gradient pattern that's red on low and on high

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:30 AM

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There's also a K (but I feel that's boring) and a thermometer thing (but that looks too similar to the ammo one imo)

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:30 AM

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brave knoll ...and for the temperature we need a gradient pattern that's red on low and on h...

No problemo, quick to make

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Half an hour and I'll be on it 🙂

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Just gonna finish cooking

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 9:45 AM

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We are actually these two graphics away from having it ready

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unless you want to add another gauge

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 9:52 AM

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Those 2 are now uploaded :)

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Still thinking about the drone icon though, not sure how to represent them in an understandable but readable at a glance way

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Also updated the glass overlay maps just in case

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How about this for drones?

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:06 AM

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we still have one slot empty

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it can remain empty

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:07 AM

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Velocity perhaps? Scale from 0-200m/s

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:08 AM

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thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:08 AM

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Or from 0 to whatever the autopilot max V is set to 🤔

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:08 AM

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that's not something you need to see at a glance

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:08 AM

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hmm fair point

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:09 AM

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technically, dV; but that will pretty much duplicate what the propellant gauge shows 🤔

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cargo mass?

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:09 AM

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ooh could be, maybe percentage of filled up processed storage?

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:10 AM

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we also have the "overall system health assessment", it's visible on EIME

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:10 AM

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ohh that sounds really nice actually

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That's my vote

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:10 AM

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so, a + icon?

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:11 AM

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oop, also the capacitor should have its colors flipped

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I think

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:11 AM

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brave knoll so, a + icon?

sure thing 👌

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uploaded

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Icon design speedrun (2 rectangles)

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:15 AM

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thicker, methinks

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it seems usually made of squares

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thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:16 AM

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Thickened 🙂

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:17 AM

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brave knoll it seems usually made of squares

ooh alrite thickened a bit more then 😄

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:18 AM

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are we keeping the drones?

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I'm tempted to call it done

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:18 AM

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Not sure really, I can't come up with a better way to represent them that's understandable; a circle with some squares jutting out doesn't quite cut it 😅

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and this gives us a nice little reference to FTL Faster Than Light

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at a cost of being slightly unreadable

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Good Enough For Me though

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 10:19 AM

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merging then

vestal idol Feb 3, 2023, 10:26 AM

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Bullet icon looks kind of brickish. But with a quick Google, most ammo icons rely on the casing to be clear.
We don't have casings.

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Maybe a triple lineup? Would that be indistinct at this size? There's no primer or casing so the gaps in these icons don't make sense, but even without them it might resemble icons gamers to are familiar with, and be less one big chunk of color.

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 10:29 AM

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Yeah that was a consideration, but faced with a choice between "understandable for gamers" or "understandable for an in-universe operator" I went for the latter

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They'll figure it out 😄

vestal idol Feb 3, 2023, 10:30 AM

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More of an aesthetic thing than a readability thing.

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Battery could use a little definition, same way. Cell phone icons probably have some help.

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Overall health assessment feels a bit odd. Makes sense for the EIME, but here it feels like the operator's expected to want to know what's broken and whether they can ignore it.

Did we decide against a DV gauge?

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A Tesla owner might bring a car to a garage for a check engine light, but a forklift operator will probably open the hood for ten seconds and say "she's fine."

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I see bullets, drones, 'health', heat, and capacitor, but no speed/dv, which are a big part of most dashboards, and things I commonly like to see at a glance.

Koder mentioned a propellant gauge?

royal parcel Feb 3, 2023, 10:55 AM

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Propellant gauge should be the top one on bottom left. The one with the drop icon.
The cited issue with the dV gauge was that it would just copy the propellant gauge. But maybe it doesn't need to. dV depends on mass as well, so maybe define 100% on the dV gauge as "dV at dive start".

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That way it would combine mass and propellant into one gauge.

vestal idol Feb 3, 2023, 11:05 AM

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Ah, a drop. Resolution. I thought that was a bullet.

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Most consumers (me) like knowing what's in the tank and making their own judgement, but a crew would probably benefit more from a "how much workcan I do" gauge.

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 11:07 AM

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next order of business for @thin furnace is a cleaned-up model and a ship paint template for Tales from the Rings.

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 11:08 AM

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The former is already underway :)

vestal idol Feb 3, 2023, 11:14 AM

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One reason I like icons with more definition is that fields of color in a shape tend to blend. The gap on the inside of a battery icon defines the shape, and also makes the anode (?) stand out, though, for instance.

But if these visuals can be updated at leisure, it's probably better to make it work, and address this later. The only functional thing that bugs me is that I had hoped to distinguish this one with a DV reading instead of a propellant reading.

On the positives, the thicker gauge is a real boon for visibility. I like the way they're shaping up.

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 11:15 AM

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we can re-iterate once you have a chance to see them hands-on

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I should be publishing expierimental with them soon

warm zinc Feb 3, 2023, 1:28 PM

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vestal idol Bullet icon looks kind of brickish. But with a quick Google, most ammo icons rel...

I imagine firearms are still a thing in-universe, so the silhouette of a cased bullet would still be a generic symbol for ammunition, even if mass driver ammunition is caseless

vestal idol Feb 3, 2023, 1:29 PM

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Good point. Bullet/casing/primer gaps would be enough to add definition and clarity.

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Easier mod that the triple set.

warm zinc Feb 3, 2023, 1:41 PM

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I'd recommend a silhouette of something like a 22 short. It's stubby so it fits a circular gauge better, and the rim protrudes outward instead of being a recessed channel, so it's a simpler shape to make for such a small icon

glad nacelle Feb 3, 2023, 3:42 PM

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I would assume that in the future we would be using caseless telescopic ammo for firearms. but if you just ignore the telescopic part. Some caseless ammo looks quite similar to ordinary cased.

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I agree with zitzahay though. a 22. short is definitely identifiable as a bullet but something more akin to 9mm parabellum is probably more immediately identifiable. I would be hard pressed to find someone who had not seen a bullet icon like this

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 3:55 PM

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I'm pretty sure you won't be able to tell the difference on that screen

glad nacelle Feb 3, 2023, 3:59 PM

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You're probably right. In that case 22. short is probably the way to go If you're looking for something easily recognizable as a bullet/ammunition. But considering how small the icons are you may want to consider some kind of colour coding even if it's subtle. Maybe something like the icon flashing when the resource is being used so the player can identify the gauge as being ammo/fuel/drones

languid cliff Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 PM

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warm zinc I imagine firearms are still a thing in-universe, so the silhouette of a cased b...

we still use a floppy disk as a save icon

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 4:49 PM

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Floppy is like ||Jesus. Died and become icon of Saving||

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 5:22 PM

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brave knoll next order of business for <@328254104176427009> is a cleaned-up model *and* a s...

Cleaned up .blend done, uploading soon; in the meantime important question: how does the paint template differ from the color map? Should I just make it brighter?

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 5:23 PM

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you just map the cd from 0..15 to 0..255

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so, 16x brighter

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Ok makes sense 🙂

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 5:23 PM

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this is actually purely a convenience feature for the players

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the shader will divide that back by 16

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Figures 😄

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ooh hold on isn't the bay door mirrored in-game?

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Maybe something that needs addressing before we go ahead with the painting template, I can see that introducing a bunch of confusion especially since it's half of the largest space for painting

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 5:30 PM

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the easy one is: prepare it, paint with numbers, drop into game data dir and check 🙂

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 5:30 PM

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Sure thing 👍

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Where to put the viewer .blend btw? or just With Everything Else 😄

brave knoll Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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yep

thin furnace Feb 3, 2023, 5:40 PM

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alrite 👍

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Uploading the viewer .blend into the Obonto ship folder

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and the custom into Obonto Custom folder

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Gonna go for a bit, need to make some food :)

vestal idol Feb 3, 2023, 11:10 PM

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glad nacelle I agree with zitzahay though. a 22. short is definitely identifiable as a bullet...

Honestly, just cut a couple of stripes through the icon behind the curve and near the base, shrug when people ask you what caliber it's supposed to resemble, and call it a day.

glad nacelle Feb 3, 2023, 11:11 PM

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vestal idol Feb 4, 2023, 1:02 AM

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I think the glare may need reducing; it seems to be the #1 complaint against the HUD, and I can't say I disagree. When the dials are that small, anti-glare coatings are that much more important.

vestal idol Feb 4, 2023, 10:39 AM

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It doesn't help that there always seems to be upper-right-corner glare, where they oscure the spot many readings like to sit at.

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I would move the cargo hold value estimation just under the words "cargo hold," since they overlay visibility of the MPU mounting.

thin furnace Feb 4, 2023, 10:59 AM

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I wouldn't go the anti-glare coating way but rather just masking that source of light out if possible

The HUD is supposed to be overlaid on a screen, and canonically you're inside that ship rotating around, right - it doesn't make much sense for an off-screen light source to illuminate those dials (especially not from a constant angle)

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Checked in Godot and doesn't seem to be easily doable 😔 (unless I'm just blind) moving my vote to anti-glare

brave knoll Feb 4, 2023, 11:39 AM

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we can have shadows. they carry some performance penalty.

vestal idol Feb 4, 2023, 11:53 AM

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thin furnace I wouldn't go the anti-glare coating way but rather just masking that source of ...

Anti-glare doesn't have to mean NO glare, just not as bright, or more easily overwhelmed by the lighting from behind the glass.

thin furnace Feb 4, 2023, 12:23 PM

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Fair fair

terse kernel Feb 4, 2023, 9:36 PM

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brave knoll

been a whiiile since i checked this thread. i loooove the hud

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wow ok there's been so much discussion i don't think im gonna bother scrolling up so much

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i looked up to the circular cargo bay on the display and that looked super cool

vestal idol Feb 5, 2023, 3:45 AM

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Honestly, I just don't use the circular cargo readings. They spin enough that I just check cargo when I have occasion to open the OMS.

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Not a conscious choice, I just find myself ignoring them rather than scanning them to find the right one in a new place every time.

shrewd rapids Feb 5, 2023, 3:17 PM

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could you all by any chance add the ability to toggle whether the ocp rotates when opening the cargo bay door when using the autopilot in the tuning section?

brave knoll Feb 5, 2023, 3:22 PM

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shrewd rapids Feb 5, 2023, 5:04 PM

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Ok thanks

thin furnace Feb 24, 2023, 10:06 AM

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Estimate of your ship's overall health :)

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You'll see it fall if/when components get damaged

acoustic bluff Feb 24, 2023, 4:27 PM

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What about a ship that can fit 4-8 small manipulator arms, and/or 4-8 portable docking bays for THIC's?

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Call it The OCTO.

languid cliff Feb 24, 2023, 4:36 PM

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acoustic bluff What about a ship that can fit 4-8 small manipulator arms, and/or 4-8 portable d...

we got the K225 that can hold three on each side plus two low stress hardpoints in the front to mount other tools

acoustic bluff Feb 24, 2023, 4:37 PM

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languid cliff we got the K225 that can hold three on each side plus two low stress hardpoints ...

Yes... but what if it had no main cargo bay? Its only means of holding cargo is the THIC's and the arms.

languid cliff Feb 24, 2023, 4:42 PM

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a worse K225?

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also this ship is already done so it would be best to make a new thread

acoustic bluff Feb 24, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Oh! I wasn't aware the 303 was done.

NM me then. :-P

languid cliff Feb 24, 2023, 4:44 PM

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acoustic bluff Oh! I wasn't aware the 303 was done. NM me then. :-P

the OCP is the 303 ship

acoustic bluff Feb 24, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Ooooh.

#Squadron 303 new ship brainstorm