Mechanic Brewery Season 6 Contest!

[primal swift]

The best part of this template not just that Typst uses modified Markdown. it's that it can load JSON files, including LCPs.

[tribal radish]

Like I haven’t checked in a few days but as I remember the four Tort alts posted in here all have something about ramming

[tough chasm]

Cqb ram is an appealing niche to fill

[tough chasm]

I didn't even submit mine

[tribal radish]

Does it have something about ramming?

Can always try the classic “fuse it with a kobold/barbarossa”

[primal swift]

This is most of what the Tortilla license in the PDF looks like in Typst format.

[sour fable]

speaking of Naming scheme, the Corpro is submitted my mech from has a Dog based/Breed Naming scheme

[tough chasm]

Of course

[primal swift]

Just super simple.

[sour smelt]

I used to not like Rangertail either, but it has some neat things going for it when you read into it. The problem is that you have to read into it really fucking hard to get there.

[shut path]

I'd probably lean into a different angle and make it more aux spam focused tbh.
really lean into the fact it's made for gunslinger, even give it an intergrated range 15.

[tribal radish]

Makes sense with the pfp

[sour fable]

Black Shuck is a Bri'ish urban legend

[shut path]

...this is totally not because I like going for oracle smgs whenever I make tokugawa.

[tough chasm]

Ironically enough, while her name is Ram she is a goat

[shut path]

range 30 oracle smgs will never not be funny.

[tough chasm]

I just like ramming

[sour fable]

Outsnipe the Sniper

death by Lancillion D3s

[shut path]

Nifty!

[tribal radish]

Surprised it took me this long to see somebody make a “dog name” manu.

[sour fable]

fun fact about Black Shuck, in its lore, its essentially a remake and Modernized version of a chassis called Labrador

also currently drawing it's art rn

[tough chasm]

Ooh

Do share

[sour fable]

A Horror template based counter sniper

aka, the farther away it is, the harder it is to hit

[tribal radish]

I went and crammed drawing all 20+ of my pieces for the project into 2025 and then realized I probably need to also make the PDF for it to really catch on so I feel a tad foolish. But hey. At least all the mech art is done.

[sour fable]

the weapon i'm drawing Old Shuck with is it's LL3 Sheavy

[alpine moth]

the art is done and we have at least two corebook-style entires complete! Sure makes adding the rest in easier when we have a template.

[tribal radish]

Damn that’s a big pistol

[sour fable]

a Particle Accelerator

based on the Beam Magnum

[tribal radish]

Fair choice. Those are cool.

Just built one recently as part of a kit.

[sour fable]

“Devil’s Gaze” Particle Accelerator
Superheavy Cannon, AP, Seeking, 4 Heat (Self)
[Range 20] [2d6+4 Kinetic]

After an attack with the Particle Accelerator is resolved, you can’t make attacks with it until the end of your next turn.```

[alpine moth]

Beam Magnum is a Unicorn thing, did you get another PG when I wasn't looking?!

[tribal radish]

Two corebook style entries? If you mean the lore blurbs then I think we got more than 2 done considering all of them are done.

[sour fable]

https://tenor.com/view/mobile-suit-gundam-unicorn-gundam-unicorn-fire-rifle-beam-gif-6164730

[tribal radish]

I mean. Recently can include 3 years ago.

[alpine moth]

no I mean like the whole formatting thing we did for the contest

we can just copy those whole-cloth into the pdf

[tribal radish]

Oh well I gotta clean those up to fit better into the page.

[tribal radish]

Oh the lengths we 3rd party creators have to go to just to say “this shoots through walls.”

Cool gun.

[bitter turret]

Is the interaction with UNCLE here intentional?

[sour fable]

"Ah yes my favourite Breaching tool, a whole Particle Accelerator"

[sour fable]

as in?

the Interaction with UNCLE?

[primal swift]

You can't use UNCLE on a Superheavy.

[sour fable]

can UNCLE even fire Sheavies?

ah just making sure

[primal swift]

Believe me.

[sour fable]

phew

Evil Uncle Nailgun Drill combo

[primal swift]

lmao

That's actually not something I've thought of yet.

[tribal radish]

I have had so many designs semi-ruined by “uncle breaks this” or far more annoying “prepared action breaks this”

[primal swift]

Though you can attack with it at neutral with Autostab or some other source of accuracy.

[sour fable]

the last line of DG was so you don't Spam it every turn/limiter

[primal swift]

Shouldn't 4 Heat (Self) be enough?

[alpine moth]

we weep for Stump/Hund's old Beheading Axe profile

[sour fable]

i mean it has a technical 3 space wide Line

[tribal radish]

Though I’m surprised at the Secondary Clause about restricting firing. I think on average it hits about the same amount of targets as Siege Cannon does for less damage and with essentially a far more restrictive loading. I think it could be buffed actually, two cents.

[tribal radish]

It was such a clean design… simply keywords to convey the entire idea and identity of its usage… but now it has to be two profiles and a whole quick action because of prepared boosts.

[sour fable]

with the way the first Clause is, that its range is being treated as though its a Line and then some (being able to attack adjacent spaces) that can be extended with Range modifiers

[tribal radish]

-# I am seeing that, but that’s only with Siege Stabilizers which is setup or The Monarch Mod which adds ordnance, always a big detriment to line weapons.

-# But, this is all hypothetical. Fortunes know how much play testing will reveal the truth about a thing…

-# If you have play tested it and found this a proper solution, then fair fair. If you haven’t well, hell I’ll volunteer to participate if you ever set something up for that.

[formal loom]

Mechanics and playability and understanding of game mechanics was my number one decision maker for me, as far as how we voted, with lore being a secondary but still recorded concern, we just didn't factor in names or artwork at all into our decision making.

, with a second for this go around of the MBS6, I ultimately picked the grayling since our players/friends Spoke up that one the most, with it being tied with another option we considered, the Dragon, (the alux was third place.)

Obviously there wasn't quite a lot of expressive wiggle room for either the Dragon or Grayling since they're core manufacturers, but i decided to go with Grayling as a name just because i liked the name, thought it was a nice mouth feel for a Non-heavy Artillery frame, and i enjoyed our Heavyweight Mechanic, and i figured that i might go all in with putting it up since i thought that an artillery controller that got Both sides of its role out of the same category of actions would be neat, since it doesn't prove restrictive or behold to one specific pattern and has a lot of internal and external versatility and synergy, while still being very strong in its ability to both attack/deal damage and gain a lot of unexpected juice out of its trait (like being able to lock on -> Ram and having that ram inflict slowed, or being a great tech attacker with, or without Hacker 1 juicing its lock on consumption, and i felt really proud of the fact that it has obvious Tech synergy despite no tech stuff in license, and an unexpected melee synergy in its traits

and tbh i just like the idea of turning Aiming Down Sights into an actual mechanic with interactions

[sour fable]

Snoipin's a gud job m8

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-sniper-tf2-meet-the-sniper-team-fortress2-gif-23137486

[formal loom]

yeah

[sour fable]

challengin work, outta doors

[formal loom]

i dont know the rest of the video unfortunately 😔

but yeah just went "Yeah i'll make a hunting frame and put some concerning implications in all the flavor text"

[tough chasm]

you have any particular favorites overall?

[formal loom]

among all the submissions?

[tough chasm]

yeah

[glacial dust]

Honestly

Now that the Bayou is sitting there under scrutiny

I suddenly have thoughts about minor tweaks it could do with

Note that I had none of these thoughts until after it was submitted

May be the anxiety talking there lol

[tribal radish]

I’m still sitting here thinking I may have played it too safe with the Richard. I love the Richard and think it’s one of the cleaner licenses in the whole project but it doesn’t have any giant new mechanics or anything.

[formal loom]

Aside from my own? The Arkalos, chimera, Wolpertinger and Flies, as the most immediately memorable that i generally enjoy and voted for, in terms of mechanics lore and game understanding and execution.

[tribal radish]

I really liked the Simo and the Komainu

[shut path]

I'm curious what others thought didn't work about the Clovis. It is by far my most playtested homebrew frame, with two campaigns under its belt by this point.

[slow tangle]

I went with the peppercorn cause its kinda the face of the project to me - it was the founding mech (in a meta sense) and is the one I've done the most polish on

It's also the one where i really solidified the idea of one of the key mechanics for RPC being this sort of underdog feel, and this focus on manuevering, positioning, movement, directing the flow - with its quick step dine and dash.

Its the RPC's Nelson, Ghengis, Black Witch, Goblin (in a narrative/perspective sense)

[north quartz]

Well, I tell myself that "writing is rewriting" constantly so the desire to rewrite things on further scrutiny is understandable. That said I think people also need to recognize that a lot of what is on offer here is clearly the result of lots of consideration and effort on that front already.

[tribal radish]

Yeah I should’ve gone with my projects “face” in the Nobel cause I think people really like knockback mechanics and its art was the first of the published ones to get larger positive reception. Though maybe I just didn’t want more omnitrix jokes

[tough chasm]

it almost seemed like an everest to me, which i really enjoyed

[slow tangle]

Everest is also a bit of a counterpart in some ways, yea. The face of the field, you know? Definitely more specialized, speedy, a bit more fragile.

[north quartz]

Thank you very much! I did likewise choose what I believed to be the best-liked of WA's offerings among my playtesters, so I think it's a good decision to go with what you believe has an established and comprehensible identity.

[tribal radish]

I’ve come to really enjoy “support/striker” designs.

In spirit, if not in literal designation.

[slow tangle]

Lemme check what the RPC currently has...

[shut path]

support/striker is a fun niche to play around in.

[frozen vine]

I also wonder if I should've submitted one of our other homebrew frames. The Cochise is probably the least standout thematically / flavor-wise, but it was also the most popular among my playtesters since it was really fun to play

[shut path]

I...have an unhealthy obsession with it, but that might be because I'm obsessed with the idea of a violent murder thing inspiring its allies from the front.

"man, you killed that guy so good I feel motivated."

[slow tangle]

-# copypaste

Peppercorn - Skirmish Mixed Potshots (Artillery/Balanced)
Saffron - Lock on Parrying (Defender/Striker?) 
Vanilla - Knockback Pull Conductor (Controller/Support)
Cinnamon - Burn Cover Bouncer (Controller/Defender?)

Here's what I've got so far - varying levels of complete - peppercorn is done tho.
I plan to have 8-10 to start with i think

[tough chasm]

what do their core bonus's look like

[formal loom]

i thiiink i have 1 striker support but its an alt of the frame we submitted last time lmao

wait no i have the lich alt

[tough chasm]

i love striker supports

[autumn ibex]

striker supports are goated

[formal loom]

im medium on them, i think?

[autumn ibex]

As a big paladin/skald/bard player, striker supports are simply a way of life

I feel the same way about striker/supports as a lot of people feel about striker/controllers

[sour smelt]

Striker/Supports are nice. It's a little rough to make them super interesting though, at least in my opinion.

Though not everything has to be, so eh

[autumn ibex]

Give me the biggest heavy weapon I can get, and I will use my extra quick to bolster or hack every time

Its basically how I play my Balor lol

[slow tangle]

I haven't actually figured that out yet - i think core bonuses are one of the hardest things to figure out actually

I know there's gonna be a movement themed one of course

[tough chasm]

interesting vs balanced is the hardest damn thing ever

most people seem to err on the side of interesting

[autumn ibex]

I mean, those things aren't really mutually exclusive

[sour smelt]

It depends, really. It's really not that hard to do both, it's mostly a struggle of people wanting to overshoot on the fantasy or getting too fucky with it.

[autumn ibex]

Yeah that's a large part of it

[tough chasm]

they arent

[sour smelt]

It's how you get sequels of Orochi-length core passives, for one

[autumn ibex]

you can make something thats both interesting and balanced, but a lot of "interesting" things are very hard or impossible to balance properly

because they usually bend rules in a lot of ways

Like, I have a frame that lets you be in two places at once

getting the rules down to make it not a complete nightmare to fight against was quite hard lmao

[glacial dust]

Oh? Link me?

[sour smelt]

Depends on the type of rule bending but with you trying to do literally two you's in one place, no wonder you went through... how many revisions was it? Like 5?

[autumn ibex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dHAaQOgTc8xF8m0uN8Cyba1Af2ZCAi4dgEvT1t1xUMk/edit?usp=sharing

A lot lol

and even after all that people still like The Fool more
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlNNYgL1iSc97-nBRnUF4yX_Gv-HRRsATJRrsYp2EYk/edit?usp=sharing

[sour smelt]

Pixel has a thread somewhere here if you want to check out the full manufacturer. Magician is a very fun looking like creature.

[slow tangle]

Making sure you mean the core bonuses not the core powers right

(Similar terminology my mortal enemy)

[autumn ibex]

which, to be fair, The Fool is goated

[tough chasm]

ya

[autumn ibex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/146tcZeYxynJS5FaywFjtK-nUQtHU7KEvCV7IJoRLsuU/edit?usp=sharing

[formal loom]

The main reason i ended up not submitting the Dragon is because i thought the "Phase through solid objects and create a zone of no collission detection" would have fried too many brains

[glacial dust]

I've an alt frame that has two bodies, so seeing how others have made the concept work is very helpful for refining the brick of wording that is the Boxer

[slow tangle]

From here the other ones I want to do are

• nutmeg (alt mech Mace)
• paprika
• tumeric
• fennel
• [restricted access] Silphium

And then like probably one more license that I haven't decided on yet

• I think the last one I was going to do was Asofetida

I know turmeric is going to be using some inspiration from Grace and Io from hardvac blues by @gloomy kettle with permission, specifically their usage of Mark mechanics

[tough chasm]

nutmeg my beloved

[slow tangle]

Nutmeg and mace are specifically alts of each other because they come from the same source

[tough chasm]

thats cute

[slow tangle]

Silphium is a restricted access mech because it is a plant that doesn't exist anymore as far as we know, was rumored to be some kind of super spice, with extremely potent and intense flavor and tons of medicinal purposes. the Romans basically as far as we understand drove it into extinction, it wasn't really able to exist in captivity, and there have been many research projects to try to potentially find it - it was kind of potentially similar to some hybrid of fennel and extremely intense garlic and asofetida.

So it's kind of the "secret project" of the org

I think every org should have a secret project

I think it's important for the flavor and story and mechanics - it's a good place to put one of your more esoteric game design ideas

[tribal radish]

Okay I gotta ask since it’s the full manufacturer name is PTI it may just be a coincidence. Is this one’s name a Mr. T joke?

[tough chasm]

i concur

[slow tangle]

Honestly speaking of support strikers, and how cool they are, maybe I will figure out a way to make the silphium a support striker

Taking inspiration from both how the Romans kind of razed it and made it go extinct, but also how it was some kind of wonder herb that was some kind of cure for everything and some kind of god tier spice

[tough chasm]

you got a whole lcp for any of these yet?

[frozen vine]

So sad I cant share more of my and QA's supplement yet

[tough chasm]

why not

[formal loom]

secret projects are always a fun one, yeah

[tribal radish]

This whole thing is really just pushing me to redouble my efforts towards finalizing the pdf and start the secondary round of play testing to ensure the most refinement possible for the probable release in the coming months.

[frozen vine]

It's still a work in progress and we're trying to get it into as polished a state as possible before sharing. I'm also obviously not at liberty to share the things he made

[frozen vine]

It's a lot of work but it can be good fun. Best of luck to you

[slow tangle]

Nope, I would like to have at least a draft for all of them before I buckle down and work with my spouse to figure out an LCP

Because I'm also going to need to be able to figure out if the LCP editor alone works, I'm going to want to work with him to optimize the LCP because I know the LCP editor makes pretty unoptimized files, and I might need to see if there is stuff we're going to need to do by hand because there's certain third party things that can't be done just with the editor

[tough chasm]

the optimization stuff is not acutally all that hard (or impactful) but the editor itself isnt super intuitive

[tribal radish]

I’ve already finished the actual lcp of it, and all the art and writing. I just didn’t realize how much people clamor for a pdf of it so I’ve had to expedite it a whole lot. I think I got fixated on succeeding here because it would be a “lucky break”

Good luck to yours as well.

[frozen vine]

Thank you :)

[tough chasm]

got a link to the lcp?

[autumn ibex]

God damnit

IT'S TAROT CARDS

IT WAS A COINCIDENCE

😭

[tribal radish]

its not?!

Oh I get the cards

But it is in fact the “Pity the fool”

[autumn ibex]

The Fool sounded cooler than just Fool

[tribal radish]

Sorry for hitting you with that.

[cedar path]

you should hit him with it again

its funny

[tribal radish]

Its probably annoying

I pity you for dealing with it

[tribal radish]

That would be this one.

https://logez.itch.io/puddlestompers-guide

[autumn ibex]

I can never escape it

[tribal radish]

I’d link my thread as well in this forum but linking threads within threads goes a bit wonky so it’s under the same name if you wish to check it out. I need to post more in it so a lot of pdf WIP “stuff” is coming

[tribal radish]

The ultimate finale to the joke will be Dragonkid including a clip of “I pity the fool” in the video if The Fool wins its block

[tough chasm]

oooh

puddlestomping

[tribal radish]

I’m slightly fearful if I’m about to learn that term has a wildly different reasoning than why I chose it.

[tough chasm]

what do you mean

[alpine moth]

as in we don't know if "puddlestomper" is a euphemism for something

[tough chasm]

not as far as i am aware

as far as i know it means nothing but stomping in puddles

[alpine moth]

Well, until such a time as one is created or we're approached by someone fluent in a language we never thought our material was going to reach, Puddlestomper's Guide it is.

[tough chasm]

to be honest i was more asking what puddlestomper was MEANT to mean

[alpine moth]

oh!

[left bloom]

Look, sometimes names don't need to mean anything. They can just sound cool or have the right vibes. 😛

[alpine moth]

That's cuz the whole thing started out as a homegame!

[tough chasm]

love all the puddlestomper art for sure

[alpine moth]

We were set on a planet with tons and tons of crater lakes, and so Lancers like us who traveled the planet were called "Puddlestompers!"

[tough chasm]

ahhhh

thats cute

[alpine moth]

@tribal radish Which planet was Minor Turbulence on, specifically? I know the name has changed between then and now

[tribal radish]

It was Originally just “the pockmarked oasis” but it’s now Lazarus-4 Ningyo, with the Pockmarked Oasis now becoming the Pocked Lakes region, centered in which is the capital city you played in, Iris Oasis.

[left bloom]

It's fun to have in-universe reasons like that for the names. I know the reason I did Demonworks for my own manufacturer was because the homegame where it came from had Union mechs initially being considered demons... so building their own mechs later was, well, making their own demons.

[tribal radish]

And now that lore has expanded exponentially because of the third portion of the project, which you of all people know about Vulc.

Kinda need a giant history and lore to properly format a campaign module.

[tribal radish]

That was also back when the system would totally sunder its own planets but now it’s more a light roasting.

Outside of Set. Which uh. Used to be bigger.

[fierce lion]

Four posted, but I know of three more Tortugas, all of them are into ramming people.

[tough chasm]

yep

liscence with the most ram support and no dedicated ram mech

(caliban doesnt count)

[frozen vine]

Caliban's the ram mech with no ram license support lol

[autumn ibex]

I mean, you don't really need to ram when your weapons have knockback 10 billion

Hit them with the Walking Armory Flayer Shotgun

[shut path]

caliban with enough agi investment is horrifying tbh.

[inland cloud]

wait where are the pulls?

[hushed marlin]

The poll is pinned, results may be freely viewed after voting

[inland cloud]

Dawg, I'm up against the queen mary... I'm never getting in....

[autumn ibex]

still my favourite part of The Fool's stat block on compcon

[alpine moth]

Damn we really should have put the Seimei in here…

[tribal radish]

It won't go well.

I stand by its design but it'd be like trying to teach somebody footsies before teaching them quarter circles.

[alpine moth]

Perhaps, but at least then we could find a way to out-jank the jank.

[alpine moth]

Meanwhile I’m out here exclusively picking a character that specializes in Tatsus because Fireballs are too hard :(

[tough chasm]

7 in everything is really funny though

[tribal radish]

You can't expose me like this.

[tough chasm]

except the TWELVE system points

[tribal radish]

Well yeah. There's 12 zodiac animals.

[alpine moth]

That’s because you have so many systems to use!

[tribal radish]

Now this is game design.

[tough chasm]

i mean, it is busted

but its really funny so

no complaints

[alpine moth]

Actually, even Seimei is surprisingly balanced.

[tribal radish]

Not as much as you may believe. It's timing on whenever it can do its busted stuff is hyper specific and it can never do it preemptively nor can it prevent bad things. Simply punish them.

[tough chasm]

somone shoots you once and you can stun them for a turn

repeatedly with no limits

also this kinda stuff is really strong

[tribal radish]

Certainly, it is competing with a lot of very good support tools scattered about Lancer and is limited. Though I hesitate to discuss the Seimei's "absolute balance" much as it has had some playtesting but I feel like it can always have more.

[tribal radish]

In exchange, you are hard locked to a strong support, but completely passive support, and with low defenses (squishier than a goblin), if somebody hard commits to it they will probably take a structure off of you which feels like a fair trade. It is an art piece of a mech and a toolbox support license to assist support playstyles and I simply cannot bring myself to bring it in line to the realm of sanity.

As far as I can tell, grenades are the only way to get around its pacifism. But they are grenades.

Not really breaking the balance over its knees with Hex charges.

[tough chasm]

i mean, if its just meant to be art and not balanced thats sort of a different ball game

i can respect that

[tribal radish]

But the Seimei, Solomon, Koschei, and Stumpp/Hund are the 4 I am completely okay with admitting are broken.

[tough chasm]

not everything has to be fair to be fun

[tribal radish]

I don't believe unbalanced, but fundamentally interact with a core piece of lancer in an unintended way that still is completely allowed within base compcon/

[tribal radish]

bout the gist of it

if you really want a headache thats the SWMG core bonuses and Autocon talent are for.

[tough chasm]

if a player tried to bring it to my table i think id send them to the duat

[tribal radish]

I fully believe in a GMs right to veto any homebrew specifically. I even included that as a part of Autocon. Just straight up "warn the GM you are about to turn into a car."

[tough chasm]

huh

[south moth]

That's so funny

[alpine moth]

LMFAO

[tough chasm]

YOU NEED TO PROMISE

this is absolute peak

is 15 credits a lot? what do they do?

[tribal radish]

I still think Quota filler is the best joke I will ever make.

[alpine moth]

Listen, if you want more nonsense, come to the Puddlestomper’s chat

[tribal radish]

buy goods and services

[alpine moth]

We can at least contain it

[tough chasm]

i must agree actually

[tribal radish]

Every homebrew needs the difficult terrain CB

[alpine moth]

#1454687572839235918

[left bloom]

...is that typically a pattern? I have to say, I haven't noticed that.

(But that's probably in part because I haven't done one myself.)

[tribal radish]

It’s a sizable majority at least of the probably over 20 Vulc has sent to me.

Of the ones that have CBs.

[left bloom]

Huh.

[autumn ibex]

Interesting

It's gonna be hard competing with Kai Bioplating or All-Theater in that regard

[tribal radish]

Well it’s not competing. It’s so broken I had to ban it preemptively.

Hence the un-takeablity

[autumn ibex]

Truly

[left bloom]

Guess Nelson 1 is banned. 😔

[hushed marlin]

A 1 SP 1 LL system being "so broken that it had to be banned" as a Core Bonus is a bit unbelievable tbh

[left bloom]

Presumably that's part of the bit.

[cedar path]

ive seen ignoring difficult terrain be a small part of mobility focused core bonuses a few times i think

[hushed marlin]

Ah it was a bit

[cedar path]

yeah it was a bit

[tribal radish]

Yeah SW//MG started out as my trash can to put all of my nonsense ideas while making SO-S, the actually normal manufacturer but I got too attached to all of my problem child in it that I started putting real effort into realizing all of their ridiculous concepts and it sort of turned into a loving parody of in universe third party manufacturers taken to the extreme.

All of its core bonuses are realized bits, with Quota Filler being the only truly gag one.

With the joke being the comparison to SO-S who by all means is a perfectly normal manufacturer with very normal core bonuses (outside of Ettin-Class mods)

[primal swift]

I have difficult terrain ignoring as a mech trait.

[hushed marlin]

Weathering stonks

[tribal radish]

holy shit a free core bonus thats busted

[primal swift]

My core bonuses:

• Link two weapons on a mount together
• Invades are Threat 3, Reliable 1
• Mines and grenades are AP
• Extend sensors for Lock On, Scan, Search, and Bolster
• Bonus damage when you spend Repairs
• You're tough

[hushed marlin]

hah imagine writing core bonuses

[hushed marlin]

Also: reliable 1 Heat?

[primal swift]

Yes.

[unkempt hollow]

Fascinating

[autumn ibex]

coke bonus

actually it would just be easier to post this lol
https://docs.google.com/document/d/146tcZeYxynJS5FaywFjtK-nUQtHU7KEvCV7IJoRLsuU/edit?usp=sharing

[left bloom]

Oh, are we sharing our core bonuses? I have some more for GMS and the Big 4, but these are the ones I went with when building my own theme.

Ignore the fact that it took me, like, 3 full rewrites.

[south moth]

Core bonuses are indeed the devil

[urban patrol]

not gonna lie, some of these are pretty craycray

[autumn ibex]

Which ones stand out to you the most?

[cedar path]

i don't think i've ever made a single core bonus i've liked

[urban patrol]

Unison v4 giving you a flat +1 on your attacks is probably not actually as strong as I think it is, but it feels soooo strong.

Upright_ReversalV4.1 also feels like the kind of core bonus someone would solely dip 3 LL's into to acquire.

"Yeah, the target is behind hard cover, and I've been crush targeted, but this HMG of mine is only gonna have to deal with 1 difficulty."

[autumn ibex]

Ah yeah, the usual suspects lol

To be fair, the first difficulty is the most impactful

[urban patrol]

You're absolutely correct.

[autumn ibex]

From what I've seen Unison is kinda just fine, the biggest thing is +1 to attack rolls but even that's not soooo crazy

but yeah it is good

[bitter turret]

the extra two diff is very non-impactful, yeah

+1 to attack rolls that can proc brutal is very impactful

[autumn ibex]

10% brutal chance is goated

[bitter turret]

importantly, even in non-brutal, +1 stacks with accuracy in a way that gives more EV than a second accuracy, so it's an almost mandatory buff for snipers

[spark crypt]

There’s the easy way to make a cool CB

Cheating

Just make a trait you like and shove it in there

[sour fable]

when i was submitting my mechs for the Brewery contest, these two were the other options that i had considered in place of old shuck

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Go8eq2GghoQwLh2IHwFqZ4cMPBqa7PrR365vL5id6CM/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4BKidC3JK2OTW9fiCChEbpSquFoEG3fDmkc0bLo0pg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[north quartz]

Yeah I likewise found the Core Bonus to be an interesting area to design in. WA had two in particular of which I was fairly proud:

• Modular Armor Coating: Choose Kinetic, Energy, or Explosive Damage. Take 2 less damage from the chosen damage type. This reduction is treated as Armor. The chosen damage type can be changed upon Full Repair.
• Unarmed Combat Doctrines: Gain +2 on all Grapple, Ram and Improvised Combat rolls. This increases by +1 for every Destroyed or unequipped weapon mount (not including integrated mounts).

[magic void]

Shout out to Option One: The first one I love that invade

[glacial dust]

I'm not 100% confident in most of my core bonuses, they're works in progress and a few might even end up being scrapped and redone

The exception, of course:

[slow tangle]

this is peak holy shit

[pulsar oracle]

//Watchful-Eye V2.1

[abstract rapids]

Submitting the Liger Tail, a striker/support mech that combines Rams and Loading weapons with support abilities.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dEbY9uwPk8ZnD4bTBsj1Csqeh_95QpurNwPBHYBjiNc/edit?usp=sharing

[primal swift]

Submissions are already closed.

[abstract rapids]

Ah, rip

Oh well, it was good practice to put something from my LCP into a document, though I don't think I'll be doing that more

[tough chasm]

Halfway through voting at this point lmao

[crimson trellis]

There should be a side thing in between seasons where he covers homebrew NPCs.

[oblique briar]

I misunderstood the contest and thought you couldn't nominate your own creations. Oh well.

[tawny orbit]

There's always next time maybe

or host your own

[sour smelt]

Nothing will ever beat my homie NETZACH 🙏

best core bonus ever frfr

[deep bough]

my tiphereph technophile nhp is in shambles rn...

[glacial dust]

I just discovered my spreadsheet had the alt categories numbered backwards

how did I do that

w/e, is fixed

[spark crypt]

lol

[glacial dust]

man the Arkalos is really cool

I think I might actually like it better than base Gilgamesh, actually

very good work

[tawdry tiger]

Quick question on the LSR Collie, if I may ask. When it says it has the AI tag and can hold an additional AI, does that mean it can hold a total of 2 or three NHPS, counting the integrated one?

-# I know it is a bit back there in time, I was just curious.

Also Tiresias - the blind prophet🗣️

[inner rampart]

Does anyone have a number on how many for the ssc empress

My queen shall rule

-# I'm simply an empress fan

[tribal radish]

Think you can check if you click “see previous responses” on the doc after voting

[inner rampart]

Nauuurrr

It's 20 votes behind

But congratulations on the cyclops tho

20 is a huge gap

[unkempt hollow]

Dragonkid did say that they would likely have a few honorable mentions, iirc

[inner rampart]

That exciting to

I wonder which mechs will be mentioned for it tho

Do you have a mech in?

[unkempt hollow]

I do, the HORUS Jötunn

In Block 6

[inner rampart]

Oh woah

It's a full mech

I've mostly seen variants

[unkempt hollow]

Ye

I've been working on it for over a year now I think

Along with a few other frames and things

[inner rampart]

Idk if its rude to ask, bit my brain is fried from prior stuff. Do you want to tell me about it as your the creator and all

[unkempt hollow]

Yeeeeeeees

What would you like to know?

[inner rampart]

Right now i see the traits being helpful to hackers friends

But idk it's whole style

[unkempt hollow]

So, it's whole shtick is playing around with heat in interesting ways

I wanted to make a mech that really played with the idea of using cold and heat as a weapon, and using the frame as a battery of sorts to store and redistribute heat

[inner rampart]

Oh I see the redistribution it Hella cool, or collish hell

[unkempt hollow]

For example, you could sap heat from an ally and then deliver some of that heat into an enemy

[inner rampart]

-# I'm sorry for the bad joke 😢 😭 😿

[unkempt hollow]

(It's okay, I chuckled a bit)

Conversely, if you know a particular enemy benefits from being in the Danger Zone or otherwise having high heat, you could sap their heat to deprive them of that advantage

[inner rampart]

Aswell as burn and overshield to

The incident options in the mech would be so good for conbos

[unkempt hollow]

Mhm. It's systems are meant to be useful offensively against enemies as well as situationally defensive for allies

[inner rampart]

So many of the submissions I just wanna combo

[unkempt hollow]

Yeah, a few of my playgroup buddies are helping me playtest some of my stuff, and one player took blow/chill_0.util on an Emperor with a bunch of overshield-related systems

[inner rampart]

Dude I'd love to playtest and combo it with me and my friend's submission

We've been looking to playtest for a while but so far we did it with our Gm

[inner rampart]

Emperor is so good with it, especially stacking it with its invade effects

I just love the Ranged shredded option

[magic quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/drug-anime-girl-gif-26426197

how nice..

[inner rampart]

Bro got the zaza, no widow

[unkempt hollow]

The Jötunn's part of an .lcp that I've been working on in private for a while. It's basically a grab-bag of stuff that's been rattling around in me brain since I started playing Lancer. If my frame gets enough attention I'm planning on posting my project in the 3rd-party forums for the public to playtest, and eventually I want to publish it on itch.io

I don't care if I win this contest or not, I'm just happy for the opportunity to get eyes on it

[autumn ibex]

i probably shouldnt be too worried about clean lines since im still figuring out shapes and learning how to draw robots lmao, but a few extra segments aways feels nice

i need to take more inspiration from knight armor I think

[inner rampart]

Dw bro i got my eyes on it, because i wanna see more offense hack options, especially in melee

[unkempt hollow]

I love the orbs orbiting the chest, reminds me of prayer beads

[autumn ibex]

You're not gonna believe this

[inner rampart]

Are they electromagnetic?

[autumn ibex]

Tada!

[inner rampart]

Ough

[unkempt hollow]

Nice

[inner rampart]

Oh my Ra 15 range

This bro a sniper?

[autumn ibex]

It's complicated

lmao

[unkempt hollow]

15 range is surprisingly high for a Nexus

[autumn ibex]

It's got a little bit of everything

[inner rampart]

YOU MADE THE FOOL!

RAdamn

[autumn ibex]

I did lmao

[inner rampart]

You got so many votes

[autumn ibex]

Nice

I haven't really been checking for my own peace of mind lmao

[sour smelt]

For a reason, Pixel knows how to cook some gourmet shit.

[autumn ibex]

ty ty

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlNNYgL1iSc97-nBRnUF4yX_Gv-HRRsATJRrsYp2EYk/edit?usp=sharing

Balanced Role Frame
Look Inside
Support/Controller in disguise

[unkempt hollow]

Wise man. Unlike me lol

[inner rampart]

Woah, I thought reposting the mech was allowed

Or is it

Idk the regulation in competitions like this

Ooo

It's a full mech

[autumn ibex]

Uhhhh I don't think there's rules against posting your mech again as long as you're not like, spamming it?

I could be wrong lol

[hushed marlin]

The situation with Queen Mary must be driving you nuts

[unkempt hollow]

Ha.

Haha.

[inner rampart]

I'm reading it right now

Wait wait

Reading freedom//confinement

Doesn't the Pegasus have something like this?

[autumn ibex]

Sisyphus NHP yeah, similar

[slow tangle]

Ive been talking a bunch about what peppercorn does, what it gets, its lore in bits and pieces over the past few days

[autumn ibex]

The Fool only gets 2 dice per scene, while Sisyphus can keep activating it

[unkempt hollow]

Listen, I'm glad to be keeping up with a frame with some pedigree while not having any art or written lore yet

[sour smelt]

Pegasus has Sispyhus which makes you roll 2d20s and you can use one of those two dice to replace the roll as a reaction. The key differences for the Fool are that it doesn't cost an action and the roll is set in stone because fuck you Chronotaurus and Voice of Authority

[unkempt hollow]

But ffs it feels like Nascar with how neck-and-neck it's been

[inner rampart]

I guess it's good

[sour smelt]

I honestly don't have much to say about Krait because it's just... mech that eats Lock On. It has a ton of synergy regarding that at least

[inner rampart]

Just concerned on copying direclt to other mechs

[sour smelt]

but I caaaan show a recolour that Karidyas did of it, hold on

Troomf Krait

[autumn ibex]

to be fair there are only so many ways you can do fate altering stuff in Lancer lol

Twist of face adds difficulty or accuracy

messing with D20s is always good

[sour smelt]

Twist of Fate feels crazy at just 1 SP tbh

[hushed marlin]

The action veto is another one, although very high impact

[autumn ibex]

I thought so too but it used to be 2 SP, and a lot of people felt like it was too high

[sour smelt]

Honestly? Makes sense. Held Image does have all the Lock On interactions going for it.

[hushed marlin]

We get some crazy 1 SP systems sometimes

Webjaw is 1 SP, Pinning Spire is 1 SP, Caltrop Launcher is 1 SP

[sour smelt]

We do live in the same system that has Flash Lock tbf

[unkempt hollow]

SP balancing is hard sometimes

[inner rampart]

Looking at the core systems, looks like it's using is probability in critical moments all the time

I'm lost the fool has cattletrops?

Ough

[sour smelt]

No, it's comparison for other 1 SP systems that are pretty solid

[unkempt hollow]

Spicy Legos

[inner rampart]

I'm looking back at the jötunn rn

I just like thermo shit

[inner rampart]

Question does the frozen tomb go all the way to the whole mech

I'm inaging the scene in avatar

Where the water benders life a whole boat up

[unkempt hollow]

The idea is that the mech is encased in ice, yes

Condensing evaporated coolant and water vapor and flash freezing it to immobilize a mech and keep it from using it's weapons, or to shield an ally from enemy fire while they cool down and stabilize their mech

[inner rampart]

Ooo this would be so good against a big leviathan creature

Tho idk about massive monster in lancer stat blocks

[unkempt hollow]

There are NPC classes for that sort of thing

There are also ways to reflavor existing NPC classes to emulate megafauna and the like

I think one of the traits you can pick for the Exotic template makes the NPC Biological

[inner rampart]

Hellla yesss

This would open so many gates for monster hunter like games in lancer

[unkempt hollow]

You should read the fluff for the SSC Atlas sometime

[inner rampart]

Though I'm excited to combo frozen tomb and invading megafauna

[inner rampart]

Oh I do that's why I'm excited for it

[unkempt hollow]

Yeee

[hushed marlin]

I need to go write more fluff...

[unkempt hollow]

I don't think you can effect bio characters with tech actions though

[inner rampart]

Nanana

I have a method

[hushed marlin]

I have my own Kaiju/ship hunter mech and it's just Not Fluffed and I gotta go fix that soon

[inner rampart]

May introduce you to a mech that can hack biologicals

😎

[hushed marlin]

The humble Lock On/Scan:

[unkempt hollow]

Those are the exceptions I think

Lemme go check

[inner rampart]

Dw

[unkempt hollow]

It's more for my own sake, I like to look up rules I'm not sure about so I don't forget things

[inner rampart]

Oh yeee, for me

I love being reminded because its my first game

Or like full game

[unkempt hollow]

Ah, okay, found it

Biological characters don't have Heat Cap, are immune to tech actions other than Scan and Lock On, and can't take tech actions unless specified

Also if they would gain Heat it instead gets turned into Energy damage

I know that last part from memory because it was part of the calculus for when I was designing the Maser Cannon

[inner rampart]

Ooo that extra damage to biologicals is good actually, now i have more tactics against them with the Nosoi mech

[unkempt hollow]

A few of my frames have systems with special interactions vs. Biological characters

But it's not like, a major focus of those frames

[inner rampart]

Id say the nosoi has the gate way to biological targets, and the damage can go across an army of biologicals if set up right

[unkempt hollow]

I have not taken other homebrew content into account when balancing my stuff, but I'm always amused by fun or interesting combinations

Is the Nosoi one of the frames that was submitted for the contest?

Ah, it is!

[inner rampart]

And one of that i have the honour of drawing

[unkempt hollow]

Oh shit, nice

[inner rampart]

Should I post the link?

[unkempt hollow]

I like the body-horror stuff going on with it's art

Nice work

[unkempt hollow]

I don't see why not, but it's already here in this channel if people wanna search it

Plus there's the pinned master list of all the docs that have been submitted

[inner rampart]

Hell yeah >:3

[unkempt hollow]

I'ma have to take a look at it after grabbing some grub

[inner rampart]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18WPxivvfyJc22wQ7IyFsKkr2jRAzXSef38SMZu9eErI/edit?usp=drivesdk

[unkempt hollow]

Danke

[inner rampart]

Enjoy the food 👑

[tawdry tiger]

Oh hey I know that mech!

I helped make it.

Magus did a very good job on the artwork.

You should see the other stuff he makes... That artwork is low on the list of quality.

Lower quality compared to some of the other artworks he makes, but man, that doesn't mean it is bad.

[spark crypt]

awesome but its a little difficult to see what im looking at here

[inner rampart]

Id say the compendium entry explains it very well >:3

[tawdry tiger]

I didn't do that good of a job, hold on-

Don't put this all onto me

[inner rampart]

I still love it ehehhehehe

[tawdry tiger]

I gotta practice.

My writing skills have much to be desired.

[unkempt hollow]

I know how you feel

I usually have to go through like a half dozen drafts before I feel satisfied with something I've written

[south moth]

i feel you there

writing is way harder than you initially expect

[tawdry tiger]

You would think that hanging around a published author and helping him write and edit his book would make you a better writer.

Apparently not...

[unkempt hollow]

I find that learning to write better helps make you a better editor, but not necessarily the other way around

[tawdry tiger]

...Dang.

Time to practice writing.

[unkempt hollow]

Yuuup

[tawdry tiger]

Starting with a third short story for my Lancer character!!!

[unkempt hollow]

Hell yeah

[tawdry tiger]

As if my backstory, multiple ideas, and two previous ones weren't enough...

Once you play as a DM/GM for TTRPGS for... pushing a decade you tend to not lose the drive to create.

[unkempt hollow]

Burnout is a bitch

Especially with AuDHD

[tawdry tiger]

Indeed it is.

I have no clue what to write. My GM told me to slow down on character ideas and what not but like... I hunger to create

[unkempt hollow]

No harm in just jotting stuff down and coming back to work on it later

[tawdry tiger]

I don't even have any ideas for things to jot down...

[unkempt hollow]

I need to remember to do that more often meself

Even just stream of consciousness stuff

[tawdry tiger]

I made a very shoddy for a backstory for a character...

Not much to work from.

I have so much experience DMing... I would have hoped that a LITTLE transfered over to actually being a player.

But NoOoOoOoOoOo

[unkempt hollow]

Lol, yeah. I feel that, but in the reverse direction

[tawdry tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-niko-the-seal-seal-silly-seal-cute-seal-gif-4785359782626124167

[unkempt hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

I really like the Nosoi's concept

The mechanics are really interesting, if a little poorly-phrased in places

[tawdry tiger]

Oh I know.

[unkempt hollow]

It's got my vote

[tawdry tiger]

It is only a first time homebrew between me and Magus.

[tawdry tiger]

Thank you!

Did you submit a mech for this event?

[inner rampart]

LESSS GOOO

[unkempt hollow]

I did, the HORUS Jötunn

In Block 6

[inner rampart]

HORUS TWINN

I voted yall

[tawdry tiger]

Yoooo, the Jotunn!

[inner rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-emma-wiggle-emma-emma-watkins-the-wiggles-gif-20698325

[tawdry tiger]

Where can I find the Jotunn..? I tried searching for it to refresh myself but can't find it.

-# Also sorry about the lack of the umlaut above the o. I can't type that on laptop rn.

[unkempt hollow]

It's fine lol I have to copy + paste it whenever I'm on desktop

[tawny orbit]

#1466615504301981903 message

[tawdry tiger]

Danke!

[unkempt hollow]

Oh, thanks!

I was just looking for the post so I could link to it lol

[tawdry tiger]

Let me just go check something...

I did vote for your mech! It was really well designed.

I particularly liked it.

[unkempt hollow]

Thank you! I'm pretty proud of it so far

I was torn between submitting the Jötunn and a couple of my other frames, but this one felt like it was the most well-baked out of the lot

[tawdry tiger]

I also like the name reference.

Big giants in Norse mythos, right?

[unkempt hollow]

Ye

I had to go with a mythological/D&D creature name that wasn't copyrighted, so Jötunn made the most sense, since there are both frost and fire giants mentioned in some of the myths

Given the whole Fire and Ice theme

[tawdry tiger]

Makes sense.

Me and Magus chose "Nosoi" for its ties to plagues and disease.

Pandora's box being? Awesome.

Especially since the plague mark almost functions as a pandora's box, opening and releasing bad things >:3c

[inner rampart]

Who knows, maybe theirs more yet to be released

[tawdry tiger]

-# Spare me

[slow tangle]

i'll resend my baby boy, why not

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jYn1LCHwJlbmT_CdkFdRJEOW0DkW2qauC6yOWtlmWlY/edit?usp=sharing

[unkempt hollow]

The spice theme is really fun

[sour smelt]

I don't wanna resend my child for now so I will send the SYU Simo cuz I love that thing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QCj5TkyU3VVFnqj1HgUbMnVb6lqEHj_2uG2tZq6LNmc/edit?usp=sharing

[sour meadow]

Y'know theoretically you could do Gunslinger shit with the LL3 item lmao

It would be phenomally bad but

You could do it

[sour fable]

technically 3 but Mechanically 2 for certain things like Iconoclast

[tawdry tiger]

Ah, I see.

Sorta

[formal loom]

sometimes life tells me to look at my artillery frames and say but it can stab, too and tyhats how i spend 90 minutes making the platonic ideal of the artillery, hacker, and melee on the same build.

[sour smelt]

Someone looked at my Krait that way and it ended up with them taking a weapon from another HRF license, which is just a big Fold Knife, and making a build that with Mount Retrofitting, Hunter 3 and Skirmisher 2 can move like 11 spaces off of a single Skirmish

You cannot stop the little Lancer girl from slapping a main melee with Thermal Charges on a mech

[formal loom]

oh i didnt go that far off in one particular direction i just wanted ot make something that could do all three better than average and it worked out, more or less

[sour smelt]

It does enable some nice fuckery, yeah

These kinds of hb mechs made me enjoy Lock On interactions a lot more with how many build options it opens up, ngl

[formal loom]

yeah, for me the fun part was doing it without including any of the Heavy weight talents or other sources from the manufacturer or anything outside of crb, ideally, just the license itself and the base game, and it turns out? "Lock on and hit them to make them slowed" can carry 3 different kinds of playstyles all at once

as long as your Speed isn't bad

its just a good combo, really, (also fits in a Fragment signal without having to fragment signal)

[sour smelt]

It can do Centimane crimes, Crack Shot 2 fuckery, DC2 gaming, Stormbringer crimes (Prone + Slow wowie), melee punching (cuz everything can tbh), condition stacking with tech actions, save-based crimes and then consuming the Lock Ons with Tactician to still get the Slowed benefits, probably some other stuff

honestly turning Grayling into a weird grenadier with Blackspot spam could be interesting

[formal loom]

you could indeed, (the manufacter eitself also has more heavyweight tag synergy stuff so it lies elsewhere there, too.)

the build i made in question was just nuclear cavaleir and combined arms to boost everything, and then stormbringer and hacker 1, because hacker 1 also works with this

So you can just lock on and invade someone and in addtiion to the grayling traits and whatever option you pick, you also slow them and they are possibly impaired

and you dont even need systems investment since you are consuming lock on for this

[sour smelt]

budget free frag sig, wowie

Honestly I could see you needing it even less if you can squeeze in Scanner Swarm. Having a whole 2 Acc on a hack with +1 base is huge

[bitter turret]

I made a nefarious and evil "superheavy" melee build with this

[formal loom]

i was tempted to make a a "superheavy" build with this once but then i got distracted by the prosect of heavy firing the rail rifle with a mod and then i adhd'd myself into the hypothetical "Melee/Artillery/Tech Attacker" build

[bitter turret]

as one does

[sour smelt]

classic ADHD blunder 🤝

[golden mason]

we love a good nefarious and evil build, of all stripes

[formal loom]

sometimes you just gotta Chop, you know?

the nicest part of a melee build is having an easy to use long range self supporting gun on there jut slapped on

[golden mason]

yeah definitely, especially as someone who is not very melee minded in this game lmao

[formal loom]

never underestimate the power ofbeing able to just slap someone at range 10 without having to boost or spend resources

[golden mason]

its just not the same to me if i don't have a good "fuck off" button at stand off range

full melee doesn't click

[unkempt hollow]

HORUS Archon in Block 10 is the first to reach 100 votes!

[formal loom]

for me if im going full melee my minimum is the above range 10 minumum plus having enough hp to comfortably face tank like a sniper or something without feeling the need to brace.

[gloomy kettle]

Seems as good of an occasion as any to resend it in case anyone here wants to take a(nother) look
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F0f8709wRK4H72XD749QqU4h2mB3GHAQMuKH0BlkNzU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[proud matrix]

this is why i made the Fu as wierd as it is. Just let you use your melee weapons as 10 range [pick your weapon type] and rebound them all over the map
It was from playtesting that I decided to shrug and let people use speavies with its license gear because why not

[formal loom]

its always a nice/fun time, yeah

realizing I did a bit of unintentional license favoritism with all the weapons having politely mundane but specific discriptions and the non weapon systems being, well

everyone loves a bit of chatter from the spotting drone or legal jargon

more systems should talk to the pilot directly, you know?

[golden mason]

i'm still getting used to the idea of people talking about my mechs period lmao

weird feeling to be perceived

[formal loom]

real

actually reading over the grayling lore over and over again im learning and realizing i wound up more subtle than i thought about some of the implications i made,

[gloomy kettle]

Yeah it's been very surreal

[golden mason]

does give me the kick to try and get price of war sorted though and pushed out

[formal loom]

nice!

i am suddenly realizing that there is a minor spelling error 😭

oh well too late now

[golden mason]

minor spelling errors my beloathed

it doesn't help that i use british and american spelling indifferently

[formal loom]

if im consistent and trendy enough with it then it stops being an error

[gloomy kettle]

God so many tiny LCP updates to fix typos

[golden mason]

real and true

[golden mason]

fixing typos or incorrect capitalisation because i just copy paste text from my docs straight into my notepad 😔

[left bloom]

Simply choose not to be, obviously. 😌

[formal loom]

google docs my beloathed

[golden mason]

i've been mostly put off trying to finish PoW by the daunting proposition of "trying to make a fucking pdf"

[left bloom]

(But also, yes, it's both affirming when people talk about stuff but also "...wait, no, let me just lurk here, thx.")

[formal loom]

on the bright side, i did enjoy the evolution in writing the lore for the grayling because it lead me on a many years long adventure to come to a frightening realization about machine minds in lancer

[golden mason]

google docs i can at least wrangle to some extent

[proud matrix]

no cause tell me why everytime I look at Dante 2.0 I find another minor spelling error or issue
The worst is when the editor decided to be funny and add "DDCA_Neutrino_model_star" everytime I had the word "start" in the LCP. for no reason

[golden mason]

i have no idea where to start with a PDF

[left bloom]

Oof. PDFs...

There's a couple resources to make out-of-the-box PDFs here, I think?

[formal loom]

i always write in vsccode so at least the mistakes are my own

[left bloom]

(I can wholeheartedly recommend not creating from scratch in Scribus.)

[formal loom]

but i very recently found a major descrepency ni a monarch alt i madew where the document Core power and the C/C core power were not the same 😭

[proud matrix]

uniornically, i just pasted my 3 or so docs into one tab seperated by header and then did convert to pdf before just slapping a cover on the front page which i had left blank in my cohesive google doc
I had it make a table of conents and the headers almost work properly, save for some gaps because google docs is stupid

[gloomy kettle]

I've been poking around with Valk's Word template for mine, and it's worked well enough for me

I however have extreme patience for getting my formatting exactly how I want it to be, so your mileage with Word may vary lol

[formal loom]

but yeah i was thinking about it and smart weapons in lancer and you know? reading the page on machine minds i really am just like "huh, wow, that's a lot of brainpower and unspoken implications for a gun. why is gandiva learning from its own actions. What is she learning?"

[gloomy kettle]

Girl's getting her PHD

[golden mason]

a couple but they're usually

• confusing for me to wrap my brain around properly
• (reasonably) cost money, of which i have a total 0 disposable income

so in the end I am probably going to say "fuck it we ball" and make up my own formatting

[formal loom]

so anyways smith shimano made a platform that's really good art getting all your different computers to work together to think long term, learn and adapt to its environment and ensure its own survival while being easy to cycle. and then they put a bunch of advanced computers in there."

was this a good idea? Who knows.

Works, though

[golden mason]

Squad Kits was a nightmare enough that i kinda realised trying to make everything fancy-lancy like is nice but a level of effort i would struggle under

especially seeing i noticed i yap a lot about mech descriptions and so they don't fit on pages well

my bad, honestly

[formal loom]

yeah..

i work with libre office and the formatting is,

😔

"You are asking the wrong question. you should be asking why someone gave a gun a body to begin with."

"Okay. Why?"

"Because everyone loved it."``` comedy, truly.

[proud matrix]

honest to god this is why I am prolly gonna get an editor when I have funds because I can't edit for shit and I don't have the patience to finangle graphics 😭

[golden mason]

i alas have a 0 dollar, euro, and pound budget

[formal loom]

real

[golden mason]

i gotta roll up my sleeves if i want this done

[formal loom]

and yeah, same

[golden mason]

same reason i have no art

just mental images

[proud matrix]

yeahhh same

[unkempt hollow]

ditto

Thankfully the community seems to appreciate good design more than anything, which is heartening

[left bloom]

...well, in that case, maybe you'd enjoy fighting with Scribus. 😛

Tedious as all heck to do anything, and don't get me started on making linkable tables of contents, but it does give you all the power. (Especially if you're not planning to do a 200+ page book like me.)

[magic quiver]

The Mastercall mostly came up as a gift to a friend, funny enough

The song that inspired it is his favorite from the album

[autumn ibex]

One day I'll finish the art for all my mechs

I just have so many now

we're getting places though

[golden mason]

tbh i've always enjoyed the scribbles you've done over time

[autumn ibex]

I wish I had more time to scrible, cuz I genuinely enjoy doing art

But between courses and new jobs its been hard

im also still in the process of even learnin how to draw robots lmao so its a hard one

especially since I need a unique style for PTI and I cant really copy a manufacturer's vibe

[golden mason]

i mostly do pixel art nowadays - i did some other scribbles but i realised i lack the proper co-ordination to make a tablet look right on a screen (i'd need a screen tablet probably, and those are expensive)

[autumn ibex]

honestly doing pixel art of my mechs would be cute, but I'd at least wanna have a finished drawing first

[south moth]

that's a mood

[golden mason]

i did a tiny Demetrius recently and thats like the closest i've gotten to depicting anything out of FGK&PoW

(its for my player token in a lancer game im in)

[autumn ibex]

true lmao

thats nice tho

shit I still have to draw my CAIN character too

Aaaaaahhhhhh

[golden mason]

so many things

so little time 😔

[autumn ibex]

Truly

and I can't really doodle while taking courses cuz I do in fact want to pay attention

maybe I just go back to doing everything with a mouse lmao

nah for the final product I do want the clean line arm

im trying to imitate the lancer style but im torn between aliasing or not

Cuz, you know

Pixela7e

Honestly im most excited to draw Chariot and Empress

I have pretty strong ideas in my mind for how they look

Empress will let me draw more auxiliarry missile pods and will have a lot more space for detail, heavy armor, and cool robes

and then Chariot will ahve a bigass hardlight sword I can put words on

[sour fable]

https://tenor.com/view/solaire-of-astora-dark-souls-gif-16398825725103438207

The Sun

[autumn ibex]

S u n

honestly more mouse-only doodles for PTI would be fun

maybe a bit more detailed than the hierophant lol, but you know

[spark crypt]

I pray that one day I shall see an PTI ftame hitting an MJ point

[autumn ibex]

The fool has been grey so long that it might be its canon colour now tbh

[spark crypt]

Also. Where’s the fool’s little hardlight hat thing

[autumn ibex]

I'll figure that out later

lmao

[hushed marlin]

Would feel weird if it wasn't grey at this point

[spark crypt]

Perhaps the clone is the hardlight?

[autumn ibex]

The Fool can just do that

honestly I do want to take more inspiration from knight armor for the shape of the armor plating

so grey might be the play tbh

with some splashes of the PTI Indigo

all the colour will come from the hardlight and the funky tech effects

[spark crypt]

very GMS of you

[autumn ibex]

truly

[inland cloud]

A FREE SSTUN??? EVERYH TURN???

AS A QUIOCK TECK?>??

[hushed marlin]

I'm fairly sure that this is not a serious frame

... NVM this is apparently serious

[tough chasm]

its more of an artistic statment apparently

[south moth]

The supplement that's from is half serious homebrew and half "I want to break this game in 200 different ways"

[hushed marlin]

Understandable sometimes I too get the urge to break lancer over my knee

[frail bane]

Yosei Mushi is the weight upon the other end of the scale. Even so, a guaranteed Stun is bonkers.

[frozen vine]

I am content losing to the Lafayette and Jinn

The Lafayette seems really cool and I fw its art

Meanwhile the Jinn is a godly shitpost, I cant even get mad being second to it

[real remnant]

YO who did the other diamondback

[pulsar oracle]

According to my sources, that was hyponumangel

#1466615504301981903 message

[pulsar oracle]

Currently engaged in a duel to the death with the Simo, it's been three days where we've been either in a tie or 1 to 2 votes away from one

[solar canyon]

OH MY GOD ITS THE BOY
uh
shit
my LCP is not yet finished do you mind if i send you the 0.7 ver

i can speedrun at least the extra 4 mechs and uh

expect a lot of uncompleted and "void" mechs (as in, licenses that are basically empty minus the mech)

also there are no images sowwy

[pulsar oracle]

Submissions have been closed for a bit now, voting started three days ago, I'm sorry

[solar canyon]

aw

oh well this means the LCP (when it releases in full) is gonna be good enough for the channel

GIVE ME A FEW YEARS >:3

(also thanks for he headpats :3)

[fading kindle]

i just put it in there to jumpscare dragonkid11 it should not be doing this well 😭

[olive copper]

It is a amazing shitpost lmao

[fading kindle]

im curious as to if anyone else was able to see what i did with the windows on the artwork

[cedar path]

god did you put loss

you did

[fading kindle]

yep :3

[proud matrix]

both diamondbacks are so good full honestly, they're bangin

[glacial dust]

y'know an interesting statistic? 332 total responses, but the highest number of votes any single block has is 223

meaning roughly 1/3 people have skipped at least one block

[formal loom]

uneven number of responses in each category as well, by large amounts

[real remnant]

Partially I wanted to know so I could praise the author of the HRF, but I also wanted to affirm that no, I did not read the HRF Diamondback before making the SSC Diamondback

I just so happened to make the exact same license 😭

like not even just in name, looking at both (minus the flavour) they are quite similar mechanically, but the HRF has cooler art and I see how it won over my art-less frame

[pulsar oracle]

Some blocks I voted for all but one frame, some I voted only for one. Just voted for the ones I vibed with.

[proud matrix]

similar naming schemes happen all the time, I remember when I wrote another frame I debated on the name geist and ultimately chose "nar" because so many frames probably had that name
But also I read SSC Diamondbacks traits and core and I actually laughed with a yo this shit is fuckin cool
Like both diamondbacks, fedrick, and archon are dope as hell
(I'm the gal who made Fu)

[tawdry tiger]

@hushed marlin The Jackalope is winning!!

[inner rampart]

Let's go plague brother

[tawdry tiger]

Plague brother salute

[inner rampart]

[tawdry tiger]

[hushed marlin]

Plague bros! 🫡

[sour fable]

Werewolf being neck a neck with Bullfrog

[pulsar oracle]

There could be more

[vast nimbus]

two wolves is not a sustainable population, we will be airdropping more wolves soon

[autumn ibex]

Airdropping 500 lycans into the SITREP

[empty tundra]

Hello everyone, not sure if this is the right place to put it, but after seeing how much attention the Chamber is getting within its block, I got around to making an LCP file for it, for those who are interested. Thanks to everyone checking it out, especially since I'm pretty much a nobody around here. Now I just need to learn how to draw or find an artist.

[polar hollow]

That reminds me I recently updated my own pdf and lcp file for the Gram because of small updates I'd brought to it before submitting it here

[autumn ibex]

we love LCPs
https://pixela7e.itch.io/paracausal-technologies-institution

[hushed marlin]

Black Prince reached 100 votes!
Following Cheese's lead, it be repost time.

[autumn ibex]

Woag

honestly I didn't know knockback was affected by difficult terrain

[pulsar oracle]

me neither until a few weeks ago, and it made me very sad.

[spark crypt]

congratulations!

[unkempt hollow]

Oh, I didn't know that either.

Hm, I'll have to update the Jotunn's Cryo Projector later

Been thinking of tweaking it anyhow

[formal loom]

yeah there's an interaction there but it's honestly never something I've thought to much of

[unkempt hollow]

I like to cover all my bases when I can

[north quartz]

I would suggest that while that is valid to say pushes and other involuntary movement would be affected by Difficult Terrain, it would certainly cause some weird interactions with, for instance, hitting Prone targets, or trying to move a Prone target with Grapple, so I don't believe anyone I've played with handled it that way.

[formal loom]

it doesn't really cause thaty many issues with trying to move a prone target you are grappling because, chances are, you are also being affected by yhat difficult terrain

it would only be weird for the brief instance of you stepping into the zone sicne otherwise, moving with grapple is just "the losing character moves with the big one, mirroring the movement"

[unkempt hollow]

The forced movement from Cryo Projector could potentially break a grapple the slipping character is a part of if it moves them to a space that isn't adjacent to the other participant

[north quartz]

Well, the problem is that prone characters treat all terrain as difficult.

[formal loom]

thats not a problem because again, the prone character is not spending their movement,

the winning character isn't affected by moving a prone character through difficult terrain unless the winning character is also moving through difficult terrain

[north quartz]

Yeah, that would be my point too, the fact that it's involuntary movement should reasonably be said to override the idea that one character is in a state the other is not.

[formal loom]

im lost about what point you are trying to make

[unkempt hollow]

The Black Prince's Bruiser frame trait, I think?

[north quartz]

That involuntary movement effects generally wouldn't consider difficult terrain.

[formal loom]

Oh, no tyeah that's where i would disagree then, because grapple's movement interactions are unique

[unkempt hollow]

If you are not restricted by difficult terrain, then your grappled target wouldn't be either

[formal loom]

ie puppet systems would not get to ignore difficult terrain, nor would ferrous lash,

[unkempt hollow]

Correct

Unless the target is hovering or flying, I think

[formal loom]

if they're flying and losing the grapple they would be grounded

[unkempt hollow]

Right, but if they weren't grappled they would ignore the difficult terrain unless they were forced to land as part of the movement

We might be getting into the weeds a bit here though

[north quartz]

I'm not sure how the grappled movement interaction is unique in the sense that, per grapple wording "the smaller character becomes immobilized but moves when the larger party moves, mirroring their movement." suggests involuntary movement that otherwise doesn't seem to behave differently than other involuntary movement.

[unkempt hollow]

Not that I think this is a discussion that's not worth having

[formal loom]

The difference is in the "moves when the larger party moves, mirroring their movement" part, which is unique to grappling. also turn off @ mentions in your replies, please.

[north quartz]

Certainly, apologies.

[formal loom]

other forms of difficult terrain specify a number/do not have the clause about mirrored movement, with the few exceptions of non-mirrored movement that does not specify a number, which is exclusively the realm of teleports, which would avoid the difficult terrain clause, anyway

for the purposes of the actual "number" as it were, the losing characters "speed" for moving into things in that way is effectively infinite,

if the thing grappling moves, they are automatically moved, as it is a property of being grappled,

[north quartz]

Yet the text refers to the party itself moving, under specific circumstances, which yes override general ones, but this interpretation is creating an arbitrary exception for why a prone target would get to move at the speed of its grappler without respecting difficult terrain where we are suggesting otherwise that involuntary movement would have to respect difficult terrain.

I think it's the interpretation of the interaction is correct, mind.

But then it raises a question about why that interpretation applies in this case but not others, in situations where prone targets would have to deal with both involuntary movement and treating terrain as difficult when it normally isn't.

[formal loom]

because those tkinds of things happen, exceptions in rules just exist

[north quartz]

Right, I'll mull this over a bit later.

Thanks for hearing me out, of course.

[unkempt hollow]

It's good food for thought

[inland cloud]

tHEN AGAIN... it can only target stuff that targeted it.

Lol... My thing is NOT getting in....

I'm up against the queen mary 😭

[bitter turret]

just take camus's razor

it's incredibly broken the second you take anything that redirects attacks to it

pump hull, ips-n core bonus, stun the enemy team if they even think of attacking anyone near you, gg

[tough chasm]

worse, jotunn

[unkempt hollow]

Oi

[inland cloud]

yeah............

[unkempt hollow]

For what it's worth, I think your thing is neat

I'm pretty sure I voted for it earlier

[left bloom]

I know this is a competition, but comparison is still the thief of joy.

[autumn ibex]

I've simply refused to look at the results lmao

better for peace of mind, and honestly losing doesn't automatically mean your homebrew is bad or whatever

people vote for different reasons

[spark crypt]

I voted for everyone because all homebrew is good

(Lies. I voted for myself and choice few others)

[proud matrix]

A healthy way to think about it is think about in terms of people in a room. 20 people in a room going "YOOOO" at something you've done
Plus being a good learning expierence too to oneself to continue forward and using it as encouragement/inspiration

[sour smelt]

Comparison is the thief of joy and the only thing that should matter is other people liking what you made

All these numbers mean little compared to the feeling of watching someone want to main your mech because they enjoy what it has to offer

[spark crypt]

Shit. This is perhaps what we all live for

[formal loom]

i do admit i think the combo of multiple choice voting that can be changed later + visible live updating results probably does exacerbate the feeling a bit, i like to image that those who take the time to read the grayling would like what it has to offer a lot

[north quartz]

So far I can say that's true of basically all I'm reading, in one way or another.

In the sense of liking something on offer.

[slow tangle]

The grayling is REALLY good, i quite enjoyed it and voted for it

[inland cloud]

it is?! :D

what di you like about? 📓

[inland cloud]

Me personally? I think mine never stood a chance since:

1.) it has barely been play tested.
2.) It's kinda OP and dumb.
3.) It's competing against the queen mary lol

I think it has the lowest E-Defense of ANY Horus frame too :P

[autumn ibex]

I mean, again

doesn't mean its bad

cuz lets be real, most frames havent been playtested lmao

[inland cloud]

I just play test them against myself B)

[formal loom]

oh thank you a lot!

[inner rampart]

Does anyone know how long until the close for votes 😢 😭 😿

[inland cloud]

Wait the Grayling?

isn't that part of a larger thingy mabob?

[inner rampart]

Like by the hour

[inland cloud]

I remember seeing it in a larger LCP I downloaded one time.

[formal loom]

yeah, MPAL

[inland cloud]

IO LOVE IT

did you make the whole thing?

[formal loom]

im actually getting around to (yet another) lcp update because ive been getting more regular about updating the lcp (i think the last update was in december or januarybut i might be wrong

Yeah!

[inland cloud]

**I

LOVE

The night witch

the night witch was actually heavy inspiration for the vibes of the Poltergiest

as far as like

intended power level and weird wank ass support

[unkempt hollow]

I'll have to give it another look in a bit, I'm currently preoccupied

[inland cloud]

that no other frame can do.

[inland cloud]

No worries :)

[formal loom]

oh thank you!!!!

[inland cloud]

I'm just devastated taht the funny 15 range nexus has inaccurate

I REALLY wanted a longer range alternative to the HMG for using Heavy gunner

to like... use heavy gunner on stuff from out of line of sight and just BANG BANG BANG BANG

[formal loom]

all you have to do is shoot it once and then you etither hit something or its not inaccurate its a win win every time you shoot the gun

[inland cloud]

Not if you're using Heavy Gunner... since that switches targets

[formal loom]

i think acvtually this is the first time ive really ever had someone bring up the night witch at all to me actually

[inland cloud]

I wis hI could like... "perma mark thing, this is what you can only shoot on your turn" or whatever

but that would be too much text.

[inland cloud]

It's abilities are VERY strong

like CRAZY strong

but I love them

I really like the vibes they has

it doesn't feel like a frame made by a human

it feels like a frame made by an NHP

and that... ios something that I adore

also, "Get +3 accuracy on the next attack ifyou miss" is hilarious to me.

[formal loom]

sometimes you need the insurance

[inland cloud]

I did something similar on my own frame

where itg's like "a nat roll of 20 or 19 on the d20 is always a crit"

Also, I find the "you can't roll above/below 10" to be frankly REALLY funny

all you have to do is get 11 evasion and then that enemy can't touch you >:3

[formal loom]

sometimes you just gotta decide "Actually no im the only one who gets to touch the probability calculator"

[autumn ibex]

Since people were posting their stuff again earlier, I think its a good time to post mine
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RlNNYgL1iSc97-nBRnUF4yX_Gv-HRRsATJRrsYp2EYk/edit?usp=sharing
https://pixela7e.itch.io/paracausal-technologies-institution

The Sherman of PTI

[fallen prism]

may follow suit myself as well
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1384291798918107388

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yO6q8fG4d24gl_2i3Uow4Xl2qBs0NYtvHPihwziKVQ/edit?usp=sharing

Still so bummed out my buddy I comm'd to draw the frame art for it doesn't share his socials; asked him multiple times 😔

[unkempt hollow]

@inland cloud Looking at it again, I'm really digging the telekinetic/technopathic theme, very Spooky Action At a Distance. I love the weapons as well, I do like me some weapons with extra utility. The tech options are also interesting, having a beneficial Quick Tech bundled with an Invade option is a neat idea. Thermal Tunneler in particular caught my eye as it's eerily similar to the Jötunn's main shtick while doing it's own distinct thing (why didn't I think of that?). I do think the frame is a little overstacked when it comes to frame traits and the sheer number of tech actions though, despite most of them being mechanically interesting. With a bit of streamlining and honing it's theme a bit more, I think the Poltergeist has serious potential.

[proud matrix]

might as well do the same
https://redxiy.itch.io/field-guide-to-dante
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIJRLYTBQfaCgpr2CEbOrpnCk4nML7-YsqXrO5o2TKQ/edit?usp=drive_link

[unkempt hollow]

Eh, monkey see, monkey do: #1466615504301981903 message

[left bloom]

Monkey see, monkey don't. I refuse to repost my stuff out of contrarianism. 😛

[autumn ibex]

Ah yes, my ploy worked

[magic quiver]

im not reposting because i dont really see the point

if you're bottom of bracket you're bottom of bracket, if you're top you're top

enjoy the poll for what it is

[autumn ibex]

You'd be surprised

[magic quiver]

i can to an extent appreciate the transparency of telling us which submission is by Kai Tave but at the same time i wonder the effect that has on votes

does it become a popularity contest?

does it suck all the air out of the room?

The Black Prince would say otherwise, so my answer is i dont really know

for any future viewers this was me just speaking my mind aloud. In hindsight it came across as rude and i didnt really mean that. Have a good one.

[magic quiver]

i mean i wasnt going to have any supplementary stuff ready in time, like art, so

i figure i just let people see what they enjoy

probably still draw somethin anyways

[bitter turret]

there are two Chimera frames. they have to be differentiated somehow

[magic quiver]

sure, but then, wouldnt the Fluff Blurbs suffice? are they identical mechanically?

[autumn ibex]

I mean, you'd still have to differentiate in the polls

[magic quiver]

ah for the label

i see

[celest bloom]

considering neither of my alt frames are winning the bracket they're in, I'm not really sure what the point of litigating this is tbh

[magic quiver]

hmm i suppose that is difficult

[proven coral]

I'm not sure how else do I differentiate them otherwise really

[celest bloom]

like you could label it "Chimera (Suldan)" but okay that's basically kicking the can down one degree of separation

[autumn ibex]

cuz also, I don't think having everyone's name next to their entry would have changed the results much, most people voted for the mechs they already knew from what I could gather

[magic quiver]

speculation. I dont really know you or care. Rude of me to think aloud, probably. And for that, my apologies, but. I've no other motive

[magic quiver]

ah is one from Suldan? i couldnt remember

[celest bloom]

Okay, respectfully if you can identify that it's rude for you to do this sort of thing out loud with no other motive, maybe you could have used that as a guidepost for whether or not to make a public callout post or not

[proven coral]

it probably also 'helped' that there's like literally almost a 100 options, so people are definitely just going to go off from their memory

[magic quiver]

yeah that was shortsighted and im owning up to that being kind of stupid

thats my bad

[celest bloom]

tbh I didn't really think the Suldan Chimera was going to get the nod because frankly Suldan has been around for years now and I imagine people are more interested in seeing new and different stuff covered

[inland cloud]

ye. I love the ideas behind it!

Definitely OP lol.

The thought of the quick tech + invades were meant to be "the good thing for you is inverted into the bad thing for the enemy"

[magic quiver]

is Suldan inspired by a particular time or place in history? I always fancied historical fiction

[inland cloud]

fun fact, I've run this thing and it needs to use stablize nearly every other turn if you're full going it lol.

it generates... SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much heat.

[celest bloom]

Suldan is a mix of things but not inspired by any one particular time or place, no

[inland cloud]

OH, by the way, I had the idea for the abilities before i came up with the name. :P

[unkempt hollow]

The name's a good fit for it

[glacial dust]

I crave someone actually going "yeah I want to main that mech" but if it has ever happened with something I made, nobody has told me about it.

One day, I hope

[formal loom]

I figure i might as well repost little old Grayling, has links for the entire manufacturer at the bottom, working on a little bit of an update for it. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vhkKb0jtMPE7S-ouB5RGQVFAa1-5TeHw021c0CSpWCA/edit?usp=sharing

[urban patrol]

I definitely wouldn't mind some feedback on the Galapagos. Given he was kind-of thrown together without any playtesting, I really would appreciate more eyes on what could be worded or phrased better for overall understanding.

[uncut cosmos]

re phrasing for untenable momentum I'd look to ramjet or titanomachy wording wise.

Vanguard 3 for watchdog co pilot instinct (being more specific re overwatch than provoking reactions as that could lead to some weirdness with say vorpal guns).

And blackbeard grapple cable for Causality breach (re ramming at range).

(also a mispelt tortuga at the top, but typos crop up all the time)

[urban patrol]

I did intend for Instinct to be able to provoke any reaction, rather than exclusively overwatches, but there really aren't many reactions other than overwatches that teleport movement specifically avoid, is there?

Or perhaps "teleportations that begin or end within range 3 of the galapagos do not ignore reactions"? That way it's not able to be read like "you can trigger any reaction you want"?

[uncut cosmos]

If you remove teleportation's ability to get around triggering reactions, it still counts as moving only 1 space which gets around some abilities (e.g. heavy gunner). So I'd suggest make a list of the reactions you want to have apply, and then see how broadly you need to phrase it.

[urban patrol]

That's a good shout. I'll see what I can do when I get home from work!

[magic void]

Instead of "an additional point of knockback" it should just say +1 knockback, or 1 additional knockback
Like

The Galapagos' rams deal +1 knockback
I'm not sure if you need the 3rd clause on Singularity Suppression? I think its relatively intuitive that you can just teleport to a target you rammed successfully
Also with Causality Breach you can do the nanowhip thing of repositioning yourself on the opposite side of them, which is funny, but may be unintended

I have some more structural feedback, but, I'm not sure if you want that

[urban patrol]

I'm very interested.

And yes, you 100% can be teleporting to the opposite side, and at the moment I'm not sure if this is a feature or a bug

[magic void]

Its funny, you get to literally go "Teleports behind you"

[urban patrol]

The original draft had it that knockback was equal to size, and you could teleport to the nearest spaces to your origin point, with the first part specifically just to make room for a fomorian mech so it wouldn't face a situation where it couldn't teleport into the space it just made, as it were

[shut path]

it has been a frustrating, and eye opening experience to have to redo most of my mechs again post laptop theft.

A lot of ideas I thought were good, weren't, and a lot of the redo ideas were good, but not as good as I thought.

The clovis is pretty much the only frame I don't think I'll do much more work on though, unless additional feedback makes me wanna rejigger some stuff.

It's about as good as the idea can get under my stewardship at this point, which...is a shame, but, perfection is the enemy of done.

[magic void]

The structural feedback is that I'm not sure the tortuga license actually cares about ramming, it has seige ram and cathammer, but cathammer is not a particularly good Duelist 3 carrier as its loading and threat 1, so you'd need to OCloop it and get really close

Decksweeper is just a good VG3 carrier
Daisycutter doesn't strictly fill defender fantasy other than stopping people from bunching up near you, which is fine, it just means that you don't build a mech around daisy cutter (Though the core has some neat synchronicity, proning a cone 5 then getting accuracy on shots, so good work there)
Throughbolt is similar
And HDA turns your teleport off and you generally won't benefit from it, as Tort wants to get resistance to its heavy gunner targets

So the Galapogos only really cares about 1 system, and that 1 system destroys terrain and deals some chip damage

You could make it care about decksweeper if you changed the last trait to "when you make an overwatch, you may instead ram" or something similar, but that doesn't really fix the HDA, Throughbolt, or Daisycutter issues

[glacial dust]

On the topic of feedback, question for folks who didn't vote for the Bayou: were there any specific bits that made it unappealing, or was it simply a case of liking other things more?

If there's actual problems to address I wanna note them down for after

[magic void]

I honestly think that Throughbolt and Daisycutter may kind of be intended as fixes to Tortuga's speed problem, as if there is a large LOS blocker you could clear it with daisycutter, punch through with throughbolt, or just get the range extension from the latter

[shut path]

Ramtuga has historically been kind of an odd space, because the ideas are usually really nice, even though the license itself has, what, 1 piece of supporting gear?

I'd be more behind it if there was synergy with it and it's much greater focus on CQBs, likely just gutting its tech attack and sensors in favour of skewing its priorities towards that playstyle, but, it's hard to consider doing that when the caliban also exists and does the whole thing more justice.

[magic void]

Thats a good TL;DR yeah

[shut path]

to be clear, I don't think anyone is wrong for making ramtugas, I voted for two tortuga alts during this competition, both ram centric, but there are other avenues of exploration that could have more harmony.

[urban patrol]

So, while I agree that it only has 1 system that directly benefits from ramming, the ram also provides additional mobility which is good for all of its kit. It also let's it more easily both knock people into formation, and also position your daisy cutters to hit multiple targets.

It also let's you get your vanguard 3 into the middle of the fray, which is something that the Tortuga does struggle to do

That being said, if you're exclusively trying to just siege ram and nothing but siege ram; yeah, it's not great.

[shut path]

Man, throughbolt on Genghis would be funny....

[pulsar oracle]

Clovis and Bayou were two frames I enjoyed reading a lot, very fun stuff

[magic void]

Extendo plasma thrower!

If you post the Clovis I'll take a look at it

[pulsar oracle]

Here's the link while I have it on hand https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FHLKfN9YN6nRTRVxsstDI8mg8pAOj_lO/view

[magic void]

Do you issue 1 command to all drones, a command specific to each drone (nonrepeatable) or a command specific to each drone (repeatable)

[urban patrol]

Also, apropos of nothing: gutting it's tech and sensors is explicitly what I did, with the in-lore being that "all it's processing power is going into making sure that when you go into the blink, you also come out"

[shut path]

you issue specific commands to each grognard drone, so you can mix and match what you want each one to be doing per round.

the plan being that you spread your groggies about and have them do a little bit of support while you sit in the back and keep them in LoS so you can affect people with your support actions, or, if you build into it, tech attacks.

[magic void]

Makes sense

Why are the drones 8 eva/edef instead of 10 or sharing yours?

[shut path]

So they're easier to kill.

players always take drone commander with Clovis, so the grognards end up with a lot of HP anyway. Being able to actually able to chew through them with attacks is kind of important for counter play.

they also don't matter much, resource wise, over a mission, so them dying is just gonna affect the battle state of the sitrep.

you're meant to have them die in droves.

[magic void]

Hmm I suppose

But they dont scale with tier, so at T3 they become like nothing

[inner rampart]

Hello how much time do we have laft for the polls?

[shut path]

Truuuuu...

[hushed marlin]

3 days ish