#STELLAR VIRALOGIX INDUSTRIAL: A TOUR INTO THE RED

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prisma zenith
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but for real this time

mortal birch
radiant hound
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no lancer for you

prisma zenith
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roll20 link if you guys wanna set stuff up

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you'll be defending the Straussian Outpost for 5 rounds: try not to die

dull beacon
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A holdout, you say! Excellent.

prisma zenith
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also @dull beacon @mortal birch @dark cedar @quasi yacht @gentle willow new lcp live on my itch page. here are the noted changes happening

AQUARIUS
Reworked Deadman’s Grip
*Now called “Painted Deck”
*Increases maximum Hand size by 2
ORION
Waster Shotgun
*Was erroneously labeled a melee weapon in comp/con

VIRGO
Boostkick
*Reworked to activate via protocol
*Now costs increasing heat costs to activate
*Increased Heat cap by 1
Urbanite Transverser Kit
*Reworded to compensate

PLEIADES
Feedbacker
*In comp/con was labeled to deal 2d6+1 explosive. 
*Corrected to deal 1d6+3 explosive.

FAVOR FROM THE INSIDE
*Reduced a bunch of the SP costs for each of the unique exotics to align with the document.```
mortal birch
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btw how does Electric Cage work???

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do i just always have 3 overshield???

prisma zenith
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Oh

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I still haven’t changed ECage

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Oops

mortal birch
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whats it supposed to be???

prisma zenith
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2 SP, Unique
At the beginning of any scene, or any turn you did not take damage since the start of your last turn, you gain +1 ARMOR (up to 4) until the start of your next turn.```
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its basically like

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autocooler

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but with armor

dark cedar
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I live

prisma zenith
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she lives!

dark cedar
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But oh well, lcp downloaded and installed

dark cedar
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Another sad thing happened MeiCri

prisma zenith
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Fucked I’m

prisma zenith
quasi yacht
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@prisma zenith What is this about a Wastter Shotgun? I don't see it in the orion license

prisma zenith
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exotic core bonus

quasi yacht
prisma zenith
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i would like to see some aquarius gaming

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it and sagi are stuff id like more data on

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and nautilus

quasi yacht
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wtf is happening with the aquarius...
I'm ALL IN

prisma zenith
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it's so awesome

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fav mech of all time

quasi yacht
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Casino Approved Suite says that blackjack is an invade option, but it is labelled as a quick tech and says to make a ranged attack roll...

prisma zenith
quasi yacht
prisma zenith
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theyr eboth qt actions

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for me anyway

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they're not invades

quasi yacht
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The NHP for the aquarius also does not show up in available systems to install

prisma zenith
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oh

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im so stupid

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blackjack used to be an invade option lol

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jimbo is also like 4 sp i beleive

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that may have something to do with uit

quasi yacht
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5 SP available

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prisma zenith
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that is so strange

quasi yacht
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i don't plan on using it here, but it does seem to be bugged in a way i have encountered when making lcps but i don't recall why it happened

prisma zenith
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that's so strange

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haven't happened before

quasi yacht
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WAIT

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I'm the Dumb one here

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I forgot to add the Lesson of Shaping Core Bonus before trying to add the Jimbo on top of Sisyphus

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@prisma zenith Well IDK If you'll love or hate this, but here we are anyways.

[ LICENSES ]
  SVI AQUARIUS 3, HORUS Pegasus 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  FAVOR FROM THE INSIDE, Universal Compatibility
[ TALENTS ]
  Iconoclast 3, Technophile 3, Leader 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:20 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:7 EDEF:7 SENSE:15 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: VARIANCE BLADE
  FLEX MOUNT: Autogun
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Unstable NHP, SISYPHUS-Class NHP, Eye of HORUS, PAINTED DECK, “BIG MIKE” P. MACHINE x4, Type-I Flight System, Personalizations```
prisma zenith
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i love it

quasi yacht
mortal birch
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In 3 hrs yes???

prisma zenith
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4

mortal birch
gentle willow
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I just got home

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Can anyone remind me how long till game?

dull beacon
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~1 hour, I think.

gentle willow
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Much obliged

prisma zenith
gentle willow
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Thanks

full geyser
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o7 good luck yall

prisma zenith
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15 minute warning @gentle willow @dull beacon @mortal birch @dark cedar @quasi yacht

mortal birch
prisma zenith
gentle willow
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share code for final version J23FLT

dark cedar
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The void is alive (again)

prisma zenith
mortal birch
prisma zenith
dark cedar
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Random idea, might be too op: Make feedbacker increase S.T.Y.L.E by one

prisma zenith
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https://forms.gle/Rf4xRqt6xD9xWXEw5also @dull beacon @mortal birch @dark cedar @quasi yacht @gentle willow if you guys have the time and memory of the playtest id ask if you could fill out the form here

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so i can get some extra data and all

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thanks!

dark cedar
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Gonna do it in a bit

prisma zenith
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swag

dark cedar
quasi yacht
prisma zenith
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oh sorry

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link broke

dark cedar
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Done

prisma zenith
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Thankz

gentle willow
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done

prisma zenith
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thankz

quasi yacht
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Done. Sorry it took a minute

prisma zenith
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thankz

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@radiant hound im gonna kill you again

radiant hound
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no you would never do that

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you are a nicey and killing me would be pretty meany of you

prisma zenith
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how about being nicey and sending me 20 usd for sushi

radiant hound
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👎

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no

prisma zenith
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??? bitch

radiant hound
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gonna send it to you with a carrier pidgeon so you get it in like 3 weeks

prisma zenith
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pidgeon???

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mf is gonna die of smoke inhalation or death by hawk

dark cedar
radiant hound
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:[

dull beacon
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Sorry for the delay as well. Feedback submitted! Thank you for the chance to test things out, like what I'm seeing!

prisma zenith
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Thankz

prisma zenith
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this is the current version 2 of the balatro frame

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prototype phase of course

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this one functions via point system rather than playing for specific/unique hands

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this is so the frame functions more intuitively

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so players are rewarded for playing for high tier hands overall

prisma zenith
full geyser
prisma zenith
prisma zenith
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AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND

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dark cedar
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No game today?

prisma zenith
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Exams

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And reworks taking a lot of brainpower

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Last game showed a lot of fundamentals being off

dark cedar
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I see

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#BuffPleiades

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/j

prisma zenith
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reworked the Aquarius a bit

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been on a jjk kick fir a little bit so i reworked the core active to be like that

gentle willow
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Can we expect a new playtest round any time soon?

prisma zenith
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exams are pressing down on me atm

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probably in the november break maybe

gentle willow
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Btw I didn't ask if my feedback on the virgo was of any use

prisma zenith
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both you and gork played similarly

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i got the gist that boost kick was kinda weird

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i overestimated virgo's power

gentle willow
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I feel bad that I barely used any of the license

prisma zenith
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gork used enough of it for the both of you lmao

gentle willow
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Lol

prisma zenith
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acutally you know what

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fuck it

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playtest for this week sure

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if i get the reworks out in time for the post

gentle willow
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oh this week? I might not be there for it

mortal birch
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im down

dark cedar
gentle willow
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I'll be free this weekend if you want to run something

prisma zenith
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Nah

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Too busy

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Soz for the bait

gentle willow
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no problemo

dark cedar
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Evil

gentle willow
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either way, I made this new virgo. I think it outperforms the other one I made but there's a serious issue with heat management

[ LICENSES ]
  SVI VIRGO 3, HA Genghis 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
  Executioner 3, Technophile 3, Black Thumb 2, Pankrati 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENSE:12 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  AUX/AUX MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
  MAIN MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: GRINDBLADE // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Armament Redundancy, AGNI-Class NHP x3, Explosive Vents, Personalizations, C.T.R. PLATING```
full geyser
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but that sa lot of talent investment: this already manages heat pretty well

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10 heatcap, agni

gentle willow
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it also techno thumb for heat management

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but it generates a whopping 6h/turn!

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it doesn't need exe so I could use nc in lieu of it but then I might as well stabilize every other turn

prisma zenith
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Sorry for the pause in development

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Life sucks

radiant hound
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Dont worry about it, I doubt anyone will be upset over you putting your personal life over your homebrew project

prisma zenith
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Well I am

prisma zenith
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aquarius

dark cedar
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Gurl, its oke

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We are here for ya too if you need

prisma zenith
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SVI will be undergoing a name change

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itll now be called SEAL. or Stellar Entertainment & Armament LLC

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or maybe SEA

dark cedar
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Nah, seal is cuter

gentle willow
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I hang out with way too many furries I have a n endless supply of cute seal gifs

prisma zenith
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Hell yeah dawg

full geyser
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But it also sounds goofier

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It only works if the logo is a seal (and I like the current logo)

prisma zenith
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hello gamers

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Virgo has gotten the billion rework now im happy with it

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it's an artillery/striker with some funny turn order/cover stuff going on

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it's pretty cool!

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prototype stuff

mystic flax
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why's it got an aux-heavy mounting when it doesn't have any in the license

prisma zenith
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superheavy nonsense

mystic flax
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fair enough

dark cedar
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oooh

full geyser
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hmmm

gentle willow
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Lol that's so different from the one I played

prisma zenith
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it was like. a consession between what i wanted and what i could feasibly think of

radiant hound
prisma zenith
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hey menace

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i have a proposal

radiant hound
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Yeah?

dark cedar
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U gonna propose to her???

radiant hound
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yeah no thats what it is, me and her are wives now

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/j

dark cedar
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I ship it

prisma zenith
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hi gamers

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its been a little while

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university and all that will do that to a person lol

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in any case im still working on SVI. but this is about the Aquarius specifically

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so if you have anything you want to add its open

dark cedar
dark cedar
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btw, happeh new year

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luv y'all

dark cedar
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a

granite haven
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Yo I came across this and this is really cool

prisma zenith
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Thanks

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Current on hiatus because of like

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My fixation moving somewhere else

grave oar
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yo, do you got any tips on writing a story that keeps in line with the lore of lancer?

prisma zenith
hardy fern
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imma going to test leo

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sitreps are cooked I am bringing Malorian Arms 3516 out there with overpower and nanocomp for canonic wall piercing powers (and lesson of shaping on LL6 so I can grab both Byakko and Canto 6)

prisma zenith
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lmk how that goes

hardy fern
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yep

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currently i am at LL5

hardy fern
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damn this mech is lit

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not the easiest to piilot for sure

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you have so many things to do

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but REALLY DAMN interesting

hardy fern
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not particularly happiest that to get both canto 6 and byakko i have to get lesson of shaping but its gonna be worth it i hope

hardy fern
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but ig that has its purpose

dense trail
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So how do you build Aries?
It has a very distinct playstyle and I have some trouble finding fitting talents for this one. I may go full universal talents like Grease Monkey/Walking armory. The only one that really does add something to the playstyle is drone commander 1 and I don't feel like it adds a lot
I think there is also some synergy between Walking armory Jager and Executioner rocket but that's it

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I also want to check out arquebus voidbeam, but it is superheavy so action economy gets very tight
I presume it would look good on Engineering builds but I can't afford that rn since I expect our DM to hit us hard - thus I went full Hull instead. I think it's best to pick up later, LL6 or even LL9 to have Heatfall Coolant System core bonus to make Overcharge kinda free

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Sorry for kinda pinging you out after a couple of months, but I'm curious
How did this build work out for you?
I presume you didn't go full on Balteus rockets from his passive

radiant hound
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I believe the way the core passive rockets work/get deployed has changed a bit since I played her. I honestly didn't end up using the stuff from my build that much as I popped the core power and ended up devoting a decent amount of my action economy and the sort to that

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Prometheum greatblade was quite fun though

dense trail
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That puts it into perspective. Thank you

radiant hound
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Drone commander and hydra 1 are obviously very strong with the rockets

dense trail
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Is version in docs the latest one?

hardy fern
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well yeah i just got the same question too

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edition on the document looks kinda interesting - different, but interesting

hardy fern
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and at the same time i've got a question - what does a limited to on a cyberdeck?

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prisma zenith
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The purpose is (or was) to encourage 2 paths of playing

hardy fern
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hmmm i see i see

prisma zenith
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Using the ai slots is that kinda idea

hardy fern
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hmmm understandable

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also me and my friend got other questions, hope you can answer them too!

prisma zenith
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I’ll be sure to in a bit

hardy fern
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👍

prisma zenith
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so while stabilizing (and egtting a ton of other effects) you get missiles

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in addition to generally spamming saves

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since the missiles act as +1 difficulty hammers

prisma zenith
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im currently on hiatus due to uni so i haven't gotten around to it

dense trail
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I've updated Aries in lcp file. May I post it here?

prisma zenith
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of course!

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i appreciate your interest in my work

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do you have any thoughts on what you like/dislike/want to see more/less of?

dense trail
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I like transfer to stabilize for sure, though change of energy cage was a bit of a downer

hardy fern
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well seems like i'll be transporting leo changes too

prisma zenith
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if you're looking for aries synergies i would recommend controller tools

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and grenade-like weapons

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see: Aquilla

hardy fern
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also may I yet again ask, how does limited function for cyberdeck in its current version?

prisma zenith
prisma zenith
hardy fern
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for how long?

prisma zenith
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that's a good question

dense trail
prisma zenith
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i haven't decided myself

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but i would say End of Next Turn

hardy fern
dense trail
hardy fern
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(not sure if i'll use it but whatever, thanks for clarification anyway)

prisma zenith
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do lmk how balance/good it feels if you use them

hardy fern
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okay!

dense trail
dense trail
hardy fern
prisma zenith
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if i may ask what specifically do you find interesting/intriguing about these frames specifically?

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im assuming it's the psuedo-simulationist aspects of "playing balteus" or "playing V Cyberpunk"

dense trail
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I'm a huge Armored Core 6 fan. It's actually the very thing that made me curious about trying out Lancer.
And with Leo... Well, when W1nter7 showed me 'BLACKWALL' on his Canto-6 cyberdeck he wanted to bring in my campaign, as a huge Cyberpunk 2077 fan as well and huge Canto 6 and Blackwall fan in particular, I knew instantly I want him to bring it into my campaign

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The campaign itself is Cyberpunk-ish as well so it fits really good

dark cedar
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o^o

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Buff pleiades for maximum style

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/j

dense trail
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So you could say we joined for the vibes and stayed for the gameplay. W1nter7 loves Leo and I feel, as a huge Iskander/Goblin fan, I'm going to love Aries too

hardy fern
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I havent played cyberpunk tbh (mainly due to device being too weak) but I REALLY love the aestetic and know a lot about that game and would LOVE to play it someday, so Leo naturally got my interest, HOWEVER, I really enjoy gameplay of Lancer and Leo seemed really peak becides references. Huge variety of avaliable playstyles, ability to mix them without any trouble, and it's just so peak that you can do so many different things, on one frame, while being 1/2 size spawning it whenether you want and just fighting mechs while being smol guy with some really fcking legendary weapons.

dense trail
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...and the whole mech being just an extension of your body is cool :P

hardy fern
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YES

hardy fern
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and byakko too, even tho it words differently, effect is eventually the same

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OOOH WAIT

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haven't touched chrome trait because felt like thats unneccesary

prisma zenith
dense trail
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Our sessions got a bit delayed, but I've just finished a mission so I will share my thoughts now. First, here is a build i've ended up using. The main idea was to spam swarm missiles every turn and reload 051ANNR if I was brave enough to overcharge and use it after using swarm missiles

-- SVI ARIES @ LL4 --
[ LICENSES ]
SVI ARIES 3, SVI CYGNUS 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
PANIC BUTTON
[ TALENTS ]
Ace 3, Stormbringer 3, Drone Commander 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:6 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:0
STRUCTURE:4 HP:24 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:7
TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+0
SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:6 SENSE:15 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: 051ANNR
HEAVY MOUNT: PROMETHEUM GREATBLADE
[ SYSTEMS ]
PHALANX TWIN SMML, EXECUTIONER ROCKET x3, ELECTRIC CAGE

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I want to emphasize that this wasn't the easiest of missions, there were a lot of tough enemies - I ended the mission with 0 Rep cap left, 6 hp and 1 structure

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Panic button. I had access to it every fight since I got Structure damage every fight, but I've found it difficult to use without damaging my allies. Burst 3 area on Size 3 mech is a lot. But even then it was incredibly satisfying to land it in the end and +1 Repair cap literally made the difference between my mech getting destroyed and remaining on 6 hp

Now that I think about it Bullet time could be a better choice. Even if I didn't need to teleport, lock on could be useful for extra damage and some synergies with Drone commander

One could argue that I should've taken Favor from the inside to get access to Arquebus Voidbeam but with 6 heatcap I couldn't quite use it safely

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Ace 3. Now, one thing that was going my way is the fact that we were fighting in space. My built in hovering abilities and built in EVA helped me out a lot and it was fun to use Ace every now and then to use my fast allies at the start to get into the fight quickly

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I haven't used Stormbringer 3 because my action economy was too tight to include usage of Prometheum greatblade. And when I did at the very end I forgot I had Stormbringer 3 :P

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Drone Commander 1 was useful to get around enemies and make missiles hit sooner

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Also the fact that we were in space meant I wasn't taking 1 heat every time I used my Ace since flying doesn't cost heat in space

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Now to the swarm missiles themselves. Yet again, Burst 2 explosion was very nice to hit a lot of enemies but it was as effective in hitting my melee loving teammates. I really had to get far into the enemy ranks to make sure I wasn't hitting them.
1d6+2 feels justified since that is potential 2d6+4 per turn in Burst 2, which is a lot, but in my experience that was 3-5 damage per missile swarm to single enemy (that is if they didn't dodge), which feels kinda meh compared to my allies hitting 10-20 damage per turn on single enemy
Maybe AOE aspect of it makes up for it, but i'm not sure. It's not really a weapon so you can't add extra modifiers to it like Overpower caliber or Nuclear Cavalier and others
Having 12 Save target felt bad as someone who constantly asks for Saves. I think this frame could benefit greatly from having baseline 12 Save target, the same as Iskander.
There also was a weird interaction in Space. My DM told me that you can't get knocked prone in space, which means enemies could dodge swarms indefinitely. In the end he decided to be a nice guy and just eat the damage itself.

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Core power.

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It was incredibly satisfying to spawn 6 swarms to destroy enemy Bastion, force structure damage on enemy veteran elite commander sniper and damage their scout as well. Absolutely love it.

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051ANNR isn't part of Aries kit but since it's loading and I reload loading every turn it was a very nice addition with nice damage for cases when swarms were not an option

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Prometheum greatblade. Since my only option to gather excess thermal energy was to force prone on enemies and that wasn't an option entirely since we were in space... Well. It is still a line weapon with nice damage, can't complain at all

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Phalanx twin smml. At first I thought I get to use it every time I spawn swarms but then I realized that my frame trait isn't technically a system or a weapon. Maybe drones themselves are an integrated system, I haven't thought about it until now

hardy fern
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There also was a weird interaction in Space. My DM told me that you can't get knocked prone in space, which means enemies could dodge swarms indefinitely. In the end he decided to be a nice guy and just eat the damage itself.
Not exactly, more like "someone flying can't be knocked prone". And essentially in zero-g everyone is considered to be flying.

dense trail
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I ended up using them with executioner rocket and... Well. My enemies just passed the saves and nothing happened. Low save target strikes again

dense trail
hardy fern
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Yeah

dense trail
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Electric cage was borderline useless for me. I was deep in the enemy ranks so I was getting hit constantly, which means I had 2 Armor for the whole battle except for the 1-2 turns at the start, when I had 3 Armor

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And that concludes my commentary. Honestly, despite the battle itself being clearly not favorable to my mech, I still had a great time and I'm looking forward to using it in the future.
I admit that this wasn't the way to play this license, perhaps you want to be your party's backline and it requires a certain party too since you might find it difficult to not hit your allied melee combatants

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Here is the build I'm going to use next
-- SVI ARIES @ LL5 --
[ LICENSES ]
SVI ARIES 3, HA Sherman 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
BULLET TIME
[ TALENTS ]
Ace 3, Stormbringer 3, Drone Commander 1, Grease Monkey 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:5 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:22 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+1
SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:6 SENSE:15 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
FLEX MOUNT: TRI-GATLING
HEAVY MOUNT: PROMETHEUM GREATBLADE
[ SYSTEMS ]
PHALANX TWIN SMML, EXECUTIONER ROCKET x4, Redundant Systems Upgrade x2

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I'm not sure about the talents, but everything else stays for sure

hardy fern
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interesting thought: prometheum REALLY fits leo with daemons because one of daemons is basically spammable +accuracy+damage option which easily stacks TE

sage marsh
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sorry to ask, but which is the most currect lcp, the one winter posted or the one elbort posted?

prisma zenith
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firstly the burst 2 explosion only applies to enemy characters; allied characters are perfectly fine in the explosive radius

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secondly the missile's purpose is closer to having 2 uses of puppet master or free main damage

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in that you can push enemy characters where they don't want to be in

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i.e. next to your melee friends. away from squishy allies. into traps. mines. etc

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and thirdly (and counter-intuitively) you want the drones to stay alive

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they act as +1 difficulty mods to your saves. boosting your effectiveness with save-based weapons like executioner rocket and phalanx twin

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though it's a little difficult so i'll probably move that part into a separate trait

prisma zenith
prisma zenith
prisma zenith
prisma zenith
sage marsh
prisma zenith
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i may rework electric cage

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but we'll see if we just revert or make something new

dense trail
prisma zenith
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you might be confused with panic button

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panic button is everyone

dense trail
prisma zenith
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yes

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the push effect isn't capped

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you could hypothetically ping between 2 drones forever

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but the intent is that you can chain swarm missiles together

dense trail
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So the mark of swarm-missiles acts as +1 Difficulty just by itself

prisma zenith
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yeap

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so long as the targets dont have cover from your position

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which since you're size 3 and constantly flying is usaully never

dense trail
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And during my turn swarm missiles may fly up to their speed towards any marked character

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Huh.

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That's a lot to think about

prisma zenith
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lot of moving parts with the drones

dense trail
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I suppose mark expires when swarm missile explodes or dies

prisma zenith
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they don't

sage marsh
prisma zenith
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yeahg

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.lcp editing is a pain and elbort & co have graciously done so for me

dense trail
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That kinda makes sense with low save target but it also sounds a bit insane. Okay, my understanding of this frame has been turned upside down

sage marsh
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got it, thanks again!

dense trail
sage marsh
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ah, ok then. well i guess ill just have to keep an eye on here for whatever become the "official" one

dense trail
dense trail
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Several things I noticed:

  • Pleiades seems interesting. Explosion of overpump shotgun can be dodged in game, but it's a just a tiny funny thing
  • Nautilus was a hell to check for updates
  • Compcon supports integrated systems now, so I tried to update Aquilla accordingly
  • Aries changes are welcome, thank you
  • Virgo got reworked in several places, it was an interesting surprise
  • wth is Aquarius, I won't pretend I understood even a half of it when I've read through it
  • In my file it's Ursa major MK II, not Ursa major Prime. That might be a mistake on my part
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And one more thing. I did the update with LCP editor and I haven't properly checked it yet. There might be mistakes.

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For example, there should be an undeletable weapon profile for Malorian. I'll try to fix it manually in a sec

hardy fern
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The only way to fix it for me was just to create a totally new version of it

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And delete the previous one

dense trail
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LCP editor is buggy as hell and that's exactly why I hate using it. But it is fast.

dense trail
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Anyone is welcome to point out any disconnections from main docs. I'll fix them if needed

prisma zenith
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should be noted the cyberdeck is listed as a Protocol

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but i'll be removing it and replacing it with something else down the line

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probably going to bring back the mk. 6 but we'll see

hardy fern
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cant wait for it ngl

prisma zenith
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the alternative is the mk.6 gets its own dedicated frame

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the netrunner frame vs. the sandevistan Leo

hardy fern
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that would be insane

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really looking forward to that (and tbh i got really interested in cruelty squad mech when read that beta)

full geyser
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Aries to me is alla bout "forking" the enemies into really bad decisions

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My main theoretical builds were weither about rapidly accelarating the missiles at enemies and stopping them from dodging the blasts via prone n stuff

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Or drone commander/ferrous lash for more a focus on general control

dense trail
hardy fern
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but yeah here is update with fixed leo

dense trail
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Nice. Thank you, I was exhausted after work 😮‍💨

hardy fern
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(and also now sinner shotgun does not have trigger as if it is a reaction)

hardy fern
prisma zenith
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incredible

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tysm

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also

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Leo alt is in the works

hardy fern
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nice, my friend is surely gonna love it (even though most likely I am still staying on the original with sandevinstan)

prisma zenith
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do you prefer Old Leo or New Leo?

hardy fern
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havent tried new one yet, but cooking something with half aries license

prisma zenith
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new Leo is more versatile. able to be used more frequently/is more flexible

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but doesn't have the teleporting utility of Old Leo

hardy fern
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surely gonna feel lack of that fnuuy effective core power and teleports with 6 speed, but yeah it is surely feels more flexible, and you are... kinda able to pop off a lot more often than the older one I feel like

prisma zenith
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in a sense you become a psuedo gorgon

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crossed with an everest

hardy fern
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caffeine addict frame

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also apogee feels like a lot better option now

prisma zenith
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Apogee makes Leo even more flexible

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and also just turns you into Everest

hardy fern
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jevil from deltarune ahh frame

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wait literally you are jumping around teleporing and definetly can do anything

prisma zenith
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you are Free.

sage marsh
# hardy fern ive done it faster hehehehe

sorry but does this also contain the fixes for the aries? im trying to keep everything organized in my downloads so i dont open up the folder in a month and be like "wait which one is what here?"

hardy fern
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as far as I know, this file is essentially the most recent version

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and as far as I've seen my friend doing it

# 
[ LICENSES ]
  SVI LEO 3, SVI ARIES 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  FAVOR FROM THE INSIDE, Improved Armament
[ TALENTS ]
  Nuclear Cavalier 3, Hacker 3, Duelist 2, Scrounger 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:3 ENGI:3
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:16 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:4 EVA:9 EDEF:12 SENSE:15 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  FLEX MOUNT: BYAKKO
  FLEX MOUNT: TRI-GATLING
  HEAVY MOUNT: PROMETHEUM GREATBLADE
[ SYSTEMS ]
  GET CHROMED UP – A LION’S HEART, ELECTRIC CAGE, BASIC DAEMON PACKAGE, CYBERDECK x4, APOGEE```
one of the variants I cooked. this frame can literally do almost anything.
sage marsh
hardy fern
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(even tho i thought abt changing some levels here and there for engi 3 for melee instead of byakko in improved arnament)

hardy fern
hardy fern
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so getting some funny engi melee seems like a better choice

dense trail
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I don't mind updating LCP file from time to time - I'll just have to know what changes are there. Reading through the whole docs and comparing everything with lcp file was a hell of a commitment ngl, but I'm glad I did it. I don't feel like doing it again though 🫠

prisma zenith
prisma zenith
hardy fern
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kinda surprising ngl

hardy fern
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@prisma zenith is Algol in the document a final version of it or there are some changes you'd do?
my personal thoughts... ehehehe... I am not really sure if I have any advices, but probably will test it.

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(I ask because as far as I see it's an alt so just inputting it will most likely be fiiine (even tho there is no favor exotic yet)

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at the end of the day depends on "am I willing to be more versatile and agile in my build, or am I balling with hacks primarly"

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also, question 2 about it: leo's heart is appliable to it, right?

prisma zenith
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I may have a brainwave and change it but atm this is the most complete version

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Save the flavor and lore

prisma zenith
hardy fern
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thanks nonetheless!

prisma zenith
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I think it would be funny to just give the player a second black wall opening

hardy fern
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DAEYUM

prisma zenith
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Or maybe some sort of hyper-focused version

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Kill [1] important guy

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100%

hardy fern
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how that important guy will react when his little mech gets entire power of a god damn blackwall:

dense trail
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Im ready to cry as a DM

hardy fern
prisma zenith
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if you have any balancing concerns do lmk

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as a gm myself i understand the pain of homebrew

prisma zenith
# 
MK. 7 Canto
0 SP, Unique, Exotic
When you use Soulkiller to make an attack from another character's position, you increase the Life die by 1. You also gain the following alternative use for Open Blackwall Gateway.
``````FOCUSED DAMNATION
Core Active (1 CP), Full Tech, Efficient
This action is only available when the Life die is at 6; it is also Efficient, refunding 1 CP at the end of any scene it is used. With this action you target a Damned character within sensors; you focused all [REDACTED] onto the target. 

The target is instantly overwhelmed and vanishes from this plane of existence until the end of your next turn. When they return, the strain of the journey deals 8 Heat to them. If they;
- Are in the Danger Zone: They take 8 AP Energy damage.
- Take Stress Damage: They take 8 AP Energy damage + Are Shredded until they next Stabilize.```
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@hardy fern

hardy fern
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Damn.

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It looks really cool.

hardy fern
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doesn't really fit atm but if given the opportunity, will most likely get it as a core bonus later

# 
[ LICENSES ]
  SVI LEO 3, SVI SAGITTARIUS 2, SVI ARIES 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Improved Armament, HELLFIRE ROUNDS
[ TALENTS ]
  Nuclear Cavalier 3, Hacker 2, Duelist 2, Scrounger 1, Vanguard 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:4 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+5 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:14 SENSE:8 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  FLEX MOUNT: Plasma Sword/Rifle "Muramasa"
  HEAVY MOUNT: SUPER NAILGUN
[ SYSTEMS ]
  GET CHROMED UP – A LION’S HEART, CYBERDECK x4, BASIC DAEMON PACKAGE, Personalizations, CORRECTIVE BOOSTERS, TRMPNG TECH, ELECTRIC CAGE```
will be trying this little build
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(essentially rifle-sword is funny thing which is mix of both, fnuuy for narrative and great as a backup weapon because I would be kinda afraid to use super nailgun each turn)

hardy fern
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tested this build its peak

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i barely used short circuit, my teamates dealt enough damage for me to have need in it
overall it may not be the most optimal build but it IS very cool

prisma zenith
hardy fern
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not the biggest nuke I could do but it did stress on ultra, forced him into not the best turn, and finished off seeder

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and they died right after.

prisma zenith
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Did the timing thing throw you off?

hardy fern
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so yeah it did pretty neat impact ngl

prisma zenith
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Or was it not an issue

hardy fern
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also timing is good in fact that you can doom more targets during that downtime

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yes, some may die, but you can get more

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without much issue

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also super nailgun was pretty strong, will hellfire it is basically "i either deal some normal heavy mount damage or annihilate them and my reactor'

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didn't really get to test murasama, never got the timing for that

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even tho it is not from here

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but felt like it is kinda reduntant so will replace it, most likely with favor

prisma zenith
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Nail gun is perhaps one of the most powerful weapons I’ve made

hardy fern
prisma zenith
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It’s also the most boring

hardy fern
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wdym overkill x6((((

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prisma zenith
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The peril of the cookie crumbling

hardy fern
prisma zenith
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Additionally. The general premise behind short circuit is just like a flayer shotgun type thing

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Since you’ve got only (1) heavy mount

hardy fern
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yeah makes sense

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just simple weapon in case you need it

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also, trmping was REALLY fun

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i basically crossed entire sitrep by running on the wall

prisma zenith
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Good to see someone using it

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I think Sagittarius license has a lot of cool goodies

hardy fern
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yeah, it is really interesting

prisma zenith
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What is this

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Some sort of discord bot?

hardy fern
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we're playing on owlbear with witchdice integration

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and it is basically witchdice discord bot who sends rolls and stuff

prisma zenith
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Oh shit

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I had no idea that it could do that

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Is there a tutorial somewhere on how to set that up?

hardy fern
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others will guide you better on this thing

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like Elbort xd

prisma zenith
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Lmao

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Fair

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Maybe I’ll prod them

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Also. Is there a specific game you’d like to see made into a mecha

hardy fern
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hmmm

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there are plenty of games I would love to see tbh

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but to play as a mech...

prisma zenith
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There are some limits

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As like. Stardew valley or factorio

hardy fern
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Deus Ex would not be that cool because there is already mech which is an extention of human body...

prisma zenith
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It already heavily overlaps with Leo yeah

hardy fern
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i've got an idea

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Kind of maaaaybe an overlap with Asterism thing with cryptocurrency but... The Finals?

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just a random idea

prisma zenith
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Never heard of this one

hardy fern
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it was kinda hyping before, mix of various shooters in some sense with unique features
narratively - virtual gameshow where contestants shoot each other in VR for money
gameplay wise - really active shooter with tactical side (kind of a mix of movement and shooting from Apex with tactical possibility from smth like R6S) with INSANE destruction capabilites and kit building...

buuut tbh without playing it it's hard to grasp the entirety of it.

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so not the greatest idea

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hmmm imagine FAITH: the Unholy Trinity mech lol

prisma zenith
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Faith? I think NewBlood also made that game

hardy fern
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yeah theyre the publisher

prisma zenith
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Sacrifice literally has you kill people to appease the stock make key

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Market

hardy fern
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true

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so that's why I said "may be overlapping with asterism"

prisma zenith
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I think I see tou

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I’ll look into faith

hardy fern
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hmmm ty

prisma zenith
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The issue being that sometimes there’s not enough to work with

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Since it’s a boomer shooter in the vein of like. Doom

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Quake

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Etc etc

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The reason there is no AC6 Raven frame is because the game has no clear gimmick

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That isn’t already done

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But I’ll watch some gameplay see if I can extract some gimmicks

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Maybe just “holy shotgun” would be cool

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Wait no I thinking of a different game

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No yeah faith is that horror one

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I think I could make it work

hardy fern
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yeah FAITH is horror

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and a really cool one

dense trail
# prisma zenith Maybe I’ll prod them

It doesn't work for me as a DM. I don't know if I messed up my npcs somehow, but no matter how I rewrite my npcs witchdice has some problems with them. Compcon sees my npcs just fine...
Anything else works great though. Its a great addition for players convenience

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And as a DM I can say that everything seems balanced. There are some strong options, sure, but they are not too crazy. You can definetly build something more broken by far using only core lancer content
Even when I gave Winter a powerful talent made specifically for them, I can't say that they outshine others by strength. As a DM, I couldn't ask for more

dense trail
# prisma zenith Etc etc

Some suggestions. Titanfall 2 (that's what introduced the genre for me), Into the Breach mechs have a lot of gimmicks which sometimes translate well into Lancer
If we go further I think some Warframes could be interesting concepts behind mechs

hardy fern
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khora would go hard ngl

hardy fern
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cyberdeck in its new variant isn't particularly the strongest option avaliable

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but it is definetly great

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defencive mode is situative but offencive

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really pricy but can easily overheat someone with some attention

prisma zenith
hardy fern
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why is there a guy which casts fireball

prisma zenith
prisma zenith
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working on a noita frame

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had concepts in the brainpan for a little while now

hardy fern
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damn peak idea

dark cedar
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wew

hardy fern
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okay so in one or two weeks I will be playing Aquarius at LL2

hardy fern
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hmm i've also got the question

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how does Lucky function with stuff like Roland?

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if I for example get to 0 ammo and then immediately reload some with overkill, does Roland activate or not?

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because weapon kinda becomes unloaded but then loads itself

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if I have 1 ammo and then reload to 3 with stuff like stabilize, do I get Roland?

prisma zenith
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the "On Overkill" wording says you gain rounds. not reload the weapon

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Reload here is treated as a keyword

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it's mainly for balance that you don't have a weapon that can trigger roland an insane number of times per round

hardy fern
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hmm makes sense

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thank you!

prisma zenith
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hopefully Aquarius shakes out for you

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i had a lot of fun making it

hardy fern
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I am kinda unsure tbh but I still do want to play it, even tho I am kinda afraid of simply getting unlucky... but as one guy said, you don't go hunting tigers without expecting to get in their jaws

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forgetting about stable combat performance is difficult

prisma zenith
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in the few playtests i managed to do the "unluckiness" one may gain is just like

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not really a factor

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since you get to stack your hand twice before actually using Luck of The Draw during your turn

hardy fern
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hmm I see

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with reaction and with attack

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also, can you luck of the draw excess cards? for example, do high card with 3 cards who have no combination

prisma zenith
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yeah

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similar to using high card in balatro to dump your hand for shit you dont like

hardy fern
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makes sense

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ty

prisma zenith
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np

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if u have any questions lmk ^^

hardy fern
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okay so I am back for a moment with algol adventures

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and dm reportedly used involuntary movement up to speed move while i had correctives from sagittarius still online

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(its funny)

prisma zenith
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lmao

hardy fern
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hmmm i have got more feedback on algol's core power
it's... situational in a normal way. not something you can or will press each fight just because sometimes everything may go too fast

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but when you got time to do it - yeah it's going to cook ur enemies

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also chaining doomed targets is SOOOO COOOOL

prisma zenith
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glad to hear u like it!

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do you think the durability and stuff are alright?

hardy fern
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durability isn't particularly the best, but considering the fact that I can potentially attack with melee weapon in like 20+ tiles just chaining sensors damneds, and EVEN in like range 8, imo its fine

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heatcap could probably be bigger for cyberdeck

hardy fern
prisma zenith
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having some art done by the illustrious fugo

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for the Noita frame (Draco)

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stay tuned!

dark cedar
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yey

hardy fern
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great!

prisma zenith
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semi-finished prototype for the noita frame currently

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flavor not yet finished

prisma zenith
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art by the illustrious fugo

dark cedar
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Wew

prisma zenith
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This has replaced phonoglyph

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Effectively double trigger spark bolt

full geyser
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hrgmmrjjj

prisma zenith
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may make a second one that's less tech/drone oriented

hardy fern
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ECHO SHARD TECHNIQUE

prisma zenith
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double bomb stuff :))

prisma zenith
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cleaned up the taurus

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i think its good for launch aside frmo like

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lore

radiant hound
hardy fern
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got opportunity to finally try out aquarius

prisma zenith
hardy fern
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it feels kinda strange but also pretty straightforward

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you want some combination? you can definetly fish for it (as I did in ultra fight with deadman's hand)
you can do legit anything, even tho melee combat is bad because your stats are ass, balanced by the deck

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definetly an interesting experience

prisma zenith
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Do you have any suggestions or confusions regarding the frame?

hardy fern
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hmmm nah not really

prisma zenith
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Any particular low or high notes?

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Stuff you liked/didn’t like/thought was too good or bad?

hardy fern
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damage capability is prety occasional while absolutely great, one turn i was dealing somewhat 8 damage and the other straight up 3d6+3d3 nukes straight into the enemy

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which is funny but aligns with the frame's intent ig

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so not really an issue

prisma zenith
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Do you think it is too strong or too weak?

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Also how long were your turns? I had a few people saying in the designing of the mech that the internal mechanics would slow down the game

hardy fern
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faster than ally pleiades when he did the overpump

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maybe the thing is that I am lowk pretty fast and quick with calculations

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and oh my god! even s m a r t

prisma zenith
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That’s what I found in my initial playtesting. It has a learning curve but becomes easy to manage

prisma zenith
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Did you think the frame/license was easy or difficult to build around?

hardy fern
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nah it's quite balanced and i made the simplest thing i could with it

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i made it a sniper with lucky

prisma zenith
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Interesting

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Could you post your build?

hardy fern
# 
[ LICENSES ]
  SVI AQUARIUS 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  N/A
[ TALENTS ]
  Crack Shot 3, URBAN FIGHTER 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:14 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:4 EVA:7 EDEF:7 SENSE:15 SAVE:12
[ WEAPONS ]
  Flex Mount: LUCKY
  Flex Mount: Plasma Sword/Rifle "Muramasa"
[ SYSTEMS ]
  “BIG MIKE” P. MACHINE x3, Armament Redundancy, Personalizations, Custom Paint Job, Expanded Compartment, Air Cycling System x4```
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air cycliung is exotic for clearing heat, muramasa i just one custom weapon from our DM, name speaks for itself

prisma zenith
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Fascinating!

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Do you remember what hands you fished for?

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Or did you cycle through “junk hands” until you got Deadman’s

hardy fern
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i just cycled with clearing heat and supporting allies with some overshields until deadman because we were fighting veteran ultra and had extra objective in destroying some object on the map, so getting that extra structure damage was nice

prisma zenith
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Makes sense. Did you find the other hands useful?

hardy fern
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also during another combat i got four of a kind and fcking missed.

prisma zenith
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Or did the situation just not call for it

hardy fern
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that was peak gambling

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you win some you lose some

prisma zenith
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C’est la vie

hardy fern
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three of a kind useful in the beginning of the sitrep, in other situations - meh, not exactly the best
straight - maybe, but haven't felt like it's the best
flush - maybe, but because I was sniping did not utilise it
full house - 12 range is usually enough

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four - really useful overall

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straight flush - if you have a heavy hitter definetly can fish for that if opportunity presents itself

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royal flush and deadman - the best hands

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so with the sniper build because you get a lot of heat via lucky and generally stay far enough it is best to cycle through cheap hands, clear heat off yourself/give some overshield to allies in the frontline, guarantee hits with two pairs, maybe pull of middle hands if nessecary and try to fish for any of the big hands

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beginnging from four of a kind any works

prisma zenith
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Fascinating! I don’t think I need to change much from the design already here

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Maybe just cleaning it up a bit I think

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Any changes you would recommend? Card-related things you’d like to see?

hardy fern
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hmmm... maybe change hold'em because I don't really know in which way but not a fan of it. maybe change the order to bid - roll - showdown/fold

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but idk

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this does not seem likable for me eithre

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also one kinda small thing, it does it's things on its own and at the end of the day it sorta feels like playing solitaire, but i suppose its just sniper playstyle thing overall, where you don't interact much besides doing damage

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so also not really a complaint

prisma zenith
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You aren’t playing an active role as you are managing your own mini game

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Is what I can guess ur saying

hardy fern
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yeah

prisma zenith
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I see.

hardy fern
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i guess this is also sniper playstyle thing

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if i would be going in melee range and slapping em i suppose it would be a lot more interesting and interactive

prisma zenith
hardy fern
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buy in?

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idk because almost always you can do 99% buy in, if for example guy with accuracy attacks demolisher bro will almost always hit, so you can easily bet on that one

prisma zenith
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True. Maybe making it better if you have a more narrow win potential?

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Scaling with more upside if the check is more likely to fail

hardy fern
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hmmm a possibility indeed

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maybe limit the amount of cards you can play in the buy in hand the lesser chance were there for success

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as an idea

rancid quiver
#

getting around to looking at this, and I've fallen in love, just on a pure concept for some of them, especially in how tongue-in-cheek some of these are (the Aquarius requiring a 52 card deck to function, the Asterism having it's software designed to mine bitcoin, the Sagittarius and it's rocket jumping) it wears its inspirations on its sleeves, and it's really fun to see how you've designed these licenses. I do got a question as to what is the 'current design' is for each mech, is the lcp up to date, or the google doc?

radiant hound
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afaik google doc takes priority over lcp in case of any discrepancies

prisma zenith
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the "current design" is whatever's on the documents