I'm just losing my gourd here
#THE SILKSONG IS REAL
granite hedge
||Like. What do you MEAN Pharloom is ruined. What do you MEAN we get to go to the Abyss. What do you fucking MEAN the enemies are now infected with Void Silk and now deal 2 masks of damage while also gaining new attacks.||
aaaaaa
my gourd is lost
inland wave
The suffering of wanting to look up OST and fearing what the internet will instantly show me
umbral canyon
I'm clicking not interested in every YouTube and reddit post about silksong I see
inner fog
God
@autumn kettle btw, you find all the masks yet? I’m missing one but don’t have a lead
inner fog
which ones? cause my last two masks where also from wishes
autumn kettle
<@156213425859592193> btw, you find all the masks yet? I’m missing one but don’t...
have you grabbed the ||secret one inside mount fay?||
||that requires super jump||
inner fog
have you grabbed the ||secret one inside mount fay?||
Ah, no. Where is it roughly?
autumn kettle
which ones? cause my last two masks where also from wishes
gilly and shadow blobs
autumn kettle
Ah, no. Where is it roughly?
||the pinstress gives you a hint, says there's a legend of a crystal cave inside the mountain||
inner fog
I’m guessing it has to do with the cave ||pinstress alludes to||
inner fog
For one last hint, which direction do you enter it from?
autumn kettle
it'll be somewhat conspicuous
uhhh i think you can get there pretty easily ||from the east||
but i came from the other way
and also it's relatively obvious imo once you know it exists
inner fog
not obvious enough for me apparently lol
on another note, I just wanna say ||the path of pain equivalent (I assume) was pretty rad, though not as difficult as I expected||
More juicy lore too
autumn kettle
||path of pain was post-launch||
||so this was just like...white palace or some shit||
imagine what they'll do later
inner fog
oh good heavens
We already got ||Delicate Flower 2: There’s 8 of Them Now, Featuring The Lacquer of Sisyphean Torment||
inner fog
there’s probably a memento for doing all the deliveries I imagine
elfin ravine
I've tried doing the unique ones so far at least
The Rasher was still the worst one so far, for also being timed
The other deliveries you can at least take your time
That one and the Queen's Egg are the only ones I've done so far
Largely bug fixing, with a few early-mid balance changes
Two early bosses getting nerfed it seems, and the worms in Steps going down to one damage
Also benches and bellways getting a bit cheaper
autumn kettle
other than sister splinter, all of this is nice
elfin ravine
I'm ambivalent on Splinter changes
I didn't think she was that bad, but I don't mind either
wanton bone
I wonder what the changes are. Probably just a bit of health getting cut?
elfin ravine
That's my assumption
autumn kettle
hopefully nothing more drastic
elfin ravine
But we don't really know
autumn kettle
i found splinter to have a pretty small health pool in the first place
wanton bone
Might be some movement tweaks. ||Moorwing|| double tapped me once or twice with a lunge into the ||claw attack||
elfin ravine
Maybe her contact damage won't be two anymore
autumn kettle
oh, that could be it
that i wouldn't entirely mind, since she can hit you while falling
elfin ravine
Getting hit by the stagger animation was pretty annoying
autumn kettle
yeah
umbral canyon
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1030300/discussions/0/595159519774039622/
making the benches cheaper is definitely the right move, yeah
a second ||savage beastfly|| has hit the tower
umbral canyon
the fuckin ||tarmite|| air juggle man
elfin ravine
those things suck, yeah
umbral canyon
once you have the uh ||needle dash|| are you kind of in the late-midgame early-lategame? or am i way off about how much stuff there is in this game?
autumn kettle
once you have the uh ||needle dash|| are you kind of in the late-midgame early-l...
you have not yet hit the late-game portion
umbral canyon
yeah i still see some things that need a proper ||double jump|| to access so i'm definitely missing that
somehow i got this far into the game without realising you could bind in midair btw
autumn kettle
lol
brave flower
I BEAT ||MOORWING AND SISTER SPLINTER|| BEFORE THE NEEEERFS
autumn kettle
i find the boss nerfs a bit silly, but i'm happy for the people that will be happy with this
granite hedge
I KNOW I AM
umbral canyon
i'm fully on board with the rosary cost nerfs, i don't think the boss nerfs are strictly necessary but i'm not complaining
brave flower
honestly the correct ||splinter|| nerf is making those fucking adds deal 1 damage
umbral canyon
it's a 'ooh i kill my own minions' gimmick fight, which this game seems to like quite a bit
brave flower
oh i didnt even realize that was what you were supposed to do
umbral canyon
yep ||her slam attacks kill the adds||
brave flower
i just saved my silk to oneshot the minions
brave flower
it's a 'ooh i kill my own minions' gimmick fight, which this game seems to like ...
the problem with this is she frequently spends like a minute fucking around and not doing slam attacks after spawning adds
umbral canyon
the....caramids or whatever? aren't too aggressive IME but yeah a ranged tool like the traps makes that fight a lot easier
lapis siren
you can go back but theres no reward other than satisfaction
brave flower
btw in case yall were wondering HOW strong the spike traps are, at tool pouch lv2 theyre about the same damage as a silk spear
stronger if youve got polyp pouch
umbral canyon
spike traps are crazy but they're kinda unreliable against lots of enemies ime
the heavy spear is my old reliable
autumn kettle
my favorites are probably grenades, the infinite power of zeus, and drugs
primal cedar
I don't have the brain capacity for tool juggling mostly, so I'm almost pure nail
Maybe I should experiment though
umbral canyon
the fire nail thing seems pretty solid if you're into that playstyle
autumn kettle
charcoal pine resin is also a good one, yeah
brave flower
yeah theres a bunch of install type tools iirc
umbral canyon
i haven't tried the ||flea brew|| yet, i get too much anxiety over the limited reserves
brave flower
btw is there enough craft metal to do everything with craft metal?
autumn kettle
yes
brave flower
im interested in the ||cogflies||
autumn kettle
wait, do you not have enough upgrade mats per playthrough in sekiro?
without hitting ng+
deranged, i thought i just missed some
and never bothered to find more
brave flower
today i will inflict poison one fucktillion timesp
brave flower
Hungry fuckers, but very fun
im planning to use ||architect crest|| so im likely to spend a lot of time farming rosaries just to get shard bundles lol
rose granite
Being able to spam those guys is why I've been 100% fine with increasing the amount of shards that drop with a mod, to 2x, even if you do feel the game not fully accounting for you having 4 of them out at the same time.
But on the other hand they are my babies and I love them dearly.
They sing with you :<
autumn kettle
a secret in ||the top-right corner of the zone||
hot mango
||Reaper|| crest has become such an unexpected favorite to me. When I initially tried it and saw how it worked I thought it wouldn’t have clicked for me and I would’ve hated it. Now I use it for most challenges (tho I still swap around because I find different crests work for different challenges for me)
autumn kettle
of ||Whispering Vaults?||
yep
tacit wadi
cool, wioll look
rose granite
it's a 'ooh i kill my own minions' gimmick fight, which this game seems to like ...
And yeah, I've noticed that too which I have mixed feelings on. The irony is that usually it's not worth trying to play clever and get the boss to kill its minions, since it's oft a specific attack, this making bursting them down yourself more effective.
Then again I think it depends on the minion.
Fun to think about from a design perspective.
autumn kettle
i think beastfly's version of that is well-designed
because the minions are just annoying enough to warrant a boss instant-kill, but immobile enough to not be a nightmare to avoid
and beastfly's kill-move is something it does three times with high telegraphing, so you can lead it to the adds pretty easily
but you don't have to do it at all, you can just
kill them with tools
rose granite
because the minions are just annoying enough to warrant a boss instant-kill, but...
Two out of three are immobile, but the other beastfly can be very disruptive in its patterns and the main cause for concern there.
autumn kettle
or poke them with the reaper you can pick up before it
tacit wadi
||Is the secret in the same room with the silkworm?||
rose granite
But I just left that fight for later and didn't mind it too much afterwards, even if it also didn't excite me either before or after. It was largely a fight.
tacit wadi
trying to find it
autumn kettle
i don't remember where it is on the map
if you want specific directions, gimme a sec
lapis siren
wait, do you not have enough upgrade mats per playthrough in sekiro?
Nope lmfao you're required to do two play throughs to unlock every tool
tacit wadi
would appreciate it
autumn kettle
I'll boot up
tacit wadi
thanmks
lapis siren
each lapis upgrade requires 3 lapis and there's 6 lapis each play through
hot mango
I think a point has been reached where most things people are spoiler tagging are act 2 and beyond stuff so I think it’s probably time to stop clicking on spoilers assuming I got there already lol
autumn kettle
thereabouts, yeah
lapis siren
that means of the four final lapis upgrades each run you can only get two
lapis siren
now, to be fair to sekiro, I think they wanted to try and get you to do the second run without the bellcharm
autumn kettle
yeah that's a from staple
i wish more of their games had fucked up ng+ changes
like AC
autumn kettle
specific map display, big spoilers for that map
if you want the room itself, i can show you that as well
lapis siren
It is very funny though
All the lapis comes from entirely optional bosses and quests too
tacit wadi
specific map display, big spoilers for that map
I'm looking in that area and can't find anything
lapis siren
so it's very possible to play the entirety of sekiro and acquire zero
tacit wadi
I don't know if I'm dumb but
tacit wadi
Here
lapis siren
compass is a scam
autumn kettle
||higher||
autumn kettle
severe swift
Those who have beaten the game, how large is each section compared to one another?
The vibe Im getting is ||Act 1 is larger than Act 2 is larger than Act 3||
autumn kettle
Those who have beaten the game, how large is each section compared to one anothe...
||acts 1 and 2 are both massive, i think i would say act 2 is larger by a decent margin||
||act 3 is smaller than them, but it's not like...40% 40% 20%||
||i would say it's closer to 35% 40% 25% than that, but that's just an off-the-cuff guesstimate||
severe swift
Awesome thanks.
autumn kettle
||maybe 35 35 30?||
severe swift
Also is the patch out yet?
near lynx
rose granite
I fully expect her to die but it ain't going to be on my watch.
umbral canyon
||acts 1 and 2 are both massive, i think i would say act 2 is larger by a decent...
shit ok, i figured with ||white ward and cog core and bilewater|| i had most of act 2 unlocked but it sounds like that's not nearly the case
autumn kettle
shit ok, i figured with ||white ward and cog core and bilewater|| i had most of ...
yeah, there's also ||mount fay, and the sands of karak, and the putrefied ducts, and the high halls, and just a smattering of bosses across earlier areas||
although i suppose ||the sands of karak|| are more of an act 3 area than act 2
dreamy scarab
I fully expect her to die but it ain't going to be on my watch.
https://bsky.app/profile/notquitereal.bsky.social/post/3lyeo36neb22e unexpectedly, Sherma uses he/him
rose granite
https://bsky.app/profile/notquitereal.bsky.social/post/3lyeo36neb22e unexpected...
There I go for assuming
dreamy scarab
his little guy energy is off the charts
autumn kettle
yeah sherma is a dude as per one of the songclave wishes
also, shoutouts to the green prince
||the gay, possibly incestuous mantis king||
severe swift
https://bsky.app/profile/notquitereal.bsky.social/post/3lyeo36neb22e unexpected...
Source? Oh topple just said it
brave flower
his song seems to calm the frenzied pilgrims
when he left pilgrims rest in far fields the big pilgrim he was talking to became hostile
autumn kettle
:(
dreamy scarab
it's also in an old team cherry blog https://www.teamcherry.com.au/blog/hk-physical-late-anniversary-celebration-silksong-mini-update (grain of salt, they changed several characters' genders in HK between their initial concepts and final appearances, but since there's in-game confirmation...)
autumn kettle
||the gay, possibly incestuous mantis king||
genuinely unsure ||whether this is intended to mean that they were brothers lmao||
||but they were definitely dance partners and romantic partners, and co-rulers||
autumn kettle
it's also in an old team cherry blog https://www.teamcherry.com.au/blog/hk-physi...
yeah no grain of salt needed, there's a sherma fetch quest in songclave that refers to him
rose granite
Can I take the grain of salt and hand it in for the food quest?
autumn kettle
alas, no
rose granite
Fuck
autumn kettle
the butler does not believe in seasoning
rose granite
when he left pilgrims rest in far fields the big pilgrim he was talking to becam...
Second saddest thing to happen in the pilgrim's rest.
Saddest being ||that if you break open the door the beetle invades the house and they try to prompt you to kill the poor innocent thing 😔||
All it wanted to do was to be free and terrorise the local populace.
dense grove
https://bsky.app/profile/notquitereal.bsky.social/post/3lyeo36neb22e unexpected...
fandom based forcefemming
dense grove
Okay I would have 100% beaten ||sister splinter|| if it wasn't for the adds
brave flower
Okay I would have 100% beaten ||sister splinter|| if it wasn't for the adds
yeah the adds are the hard part of the fight for sure
autumn kettle
remember that you have access to ||threadstorm and splinter shards or whatever the fuck her shrapnel mines are called||
||which are incredible anti-chaff tools and can each individually take out the adds while damaging splinter||
autumn kettle
many such cases
i think a lot of the early-game silksong difficulty stems from forgetting that you're not the Knight
dense grove
I don't
autumn kettle
and have a fistful of random bullshit to throw at every encounter
brave flower
i realized how much damage the sting shards did and went "you mean to tell me i have a thing that does the same amount of damage as SPENDING FOUR SILK ON A SPEAR and it doesnt cost me anything until i sit down at a bench?"
wanton bone
i think a *lot* of the early-game silksong difficulty stems from forgetting that...
Tbf, I think a lot of early game Hollow Inight struggle is not being willing to lead with VS.
autumn kettle
that too
dreamy scarab
i realized how much damage the sting shards did and went "you mean to tell me i ...
I ran into (Hunter's Reach) ||savage beastfly|| last night and it's been teaching me how good tools are. ...unfortunately I found it when it was late, and I was tired, so I burned through most of my shards and haven't beat it yet 😅
brave flower
i need craft metal
hoary tulip
me too
dense grove
Okay so boss spoilers ||if I kill one of the adds fast enough if they're in a pair she can just go 'fuck you, have a third'||
brave flower
i need craft metal
nvm i have one
brave flower
Okay so boss spoilers ||if I kill one of the adds fast enough if they're in a pa...
save your silk for spears imo
the boss herself is easy to dodge
brave flower
no seriously
if you can keep the arena clear of bullshit youll basically never get hit
dense grove
Does silkspear go through blocks?
brave flower
so using silk on spears to keep the arena clear of bullshit is ideal
brave flower
Does silkspear go through blocks?
it goes through the vines yes
dense grove
No that's not what I mean
boss spoilers ||my only problem is the shithead spinny guys||
||Can the spear go through the block they creat while spinning||
dense grove
I literally said I'm doing that the source of my current struggle is I am killing them fast enough that her AI decides to summon another one immediately lol
hoary tulip
Do you have any skills other than Silk Spear?
dense grove
silkstorm
rose granite
You'll generally want to just kill them with silkstorm as they spawn.
Otherwise it gets weird trying to dodge. Easier said than done tho.
But you've got this.
Beyond that ofc remember that the vines can be destroyed with your attacks; took me a few tries before I even realised that was possible due to being used to fights where it's not.
hoary tulip
Yeah, use Thread Storm and nuke them
autumn kettle
||Can the spear go through the block they creat while spinning||
yeah
dense grove
fun
Okay I'm gettin it I think
||is her second phase of summing a whole bunch of vines halfway or more?||
||If it's a third of her health and she has two-thirds left I stg||
dense grove
GET FUCKING OWNED, BITCH!!!!!!!
OH MY GOD
My last run was a minute tops
I speedran that shit
I kept it locked the fuck in
autumn kettle
congrats
proud cobalt
The youtuber am watching got to ||Savage Beastfly|| and decided they were done for the day after dying a few times, they were struggling that video tbf so they were quite frustrated by the end and decided, smartly, it's time to take a break.
rose granite
The youtuber am watching got to ||Savage Beastfly|| and decided they were done f...
Yeah, fights like that do well with getting back to later once you have a few more upgrades.
Otherwise it's easy to get overwhelmed.
rose granite
is the most hateful area i have ever seen
I found it to be relatively tame tbh.
||Sinner's|| alone is much worse.
elfin ravine
is the most hateful area i have ever seen
the most hateful you have seen, so far :)
brave flower
I found it to be relatively tame tbh.
"oh hey theres a path off to the side here, i wonder if theres a bench--" WRONG. BOSS FIGHT GUARDING AN AREA YOU DONT HAVE THE MOBILITY TO ENTER YET.
rose granite
"oh hey theres a path off to the side here, i wonder if theres a bench--" WRONG....
I did go there basically last admittedly, because I couldn't find a path anywhere else and had missed a bit earlier.
brave flower
Why Does The ||Floor|| Deal Two Damage
wanton bone
Why Does The ||Floor|| Deal Two Damage
Upcoming balance adjustments change that at least.
inland wave
Hungry
brave flower
i hereby sentence the entire area of ||blasted steps|| GUILTY of seventy counts of ||aggravated asphalt||
inner fog
"oh hey theres a path off to the side here, i wonder if theres a bench--" WRONG....
I was able to get to the reward immediately iirc
brave flower
I was able to get to the reward immediately iirc
did u have ||grapple||
brave flower
oh ok
autumn kettle
||grapple is necessary for progressing through more of what that area leads to, but there's still a reward||
inner fog
Yeah, just gotta do some careful air dashes and avoid gliding against the wind too much
brave flower
oh shit okay then
elfin ravine
||I didn't know that each crest also has a different needle art ||
autumn kettle
YEP
THAT'S THE THING THAT I WANTED TO GUSH ABOUT A FEW DAYS AGO
IT'S REALLY FUCKING RAD
elfin ravine
||until a friend told me ||
spark ether
wait wut
autumn kettle
||wanderer's is a flurry, beast's is a fucking yeet yourself forward giga claw, hunter's is two slashes||
spark ether
like ||the needle model changes with what crest you have||?
autumn kettle
||witch's is a spin attack that you can repeatedly press for follow-up attacks!||
brave flower
||reaper's is Block This Overhead Lmao||
autumn kettle
like ||the needle model changes with what crest you have||?
||nah, your needle art is what this game's equivalent of great slash is called||
spark ether
ahh I see
brave flower
||architect's|| is exactly what youd expect
autumn kettle
||heaven-piercing giga drill||
||reaper's is funny, because it's an almost purely vertical swing||
||contrary to the rest of its kit||
||its needle art gets to be a huge anti-air crescent||
brave flower
wait does ||reaper get a comfortable antiair|| oh baby
brave flower
||its needle art gets to be a huge anti-air crescent||
to be fair it also has dash attack
||that dash attack is AMAZING btw, so good at poking enemies and immediately being 10 miles away||
elfin ravine
wait does ||reaper get a comfortable antiair|| oh baby
||friend told me it's like a 180 degree swipe above you ||
autumn kettle
i can confirm it is that
||more than 180 degrees, though, prolly more like 220||
for some reason, dash attacks seem kinda buggy for me
i'm not sure what i'm doing or not doing
but their trigger condition is...awkward
which is a shame, because my favorite crests' dash attacks all go crazy hard
foggy cipher
holy hell ||widow|| is running my shit
hollow elm
Recently ran out of shards using one tool often through tough areas, good lord shard farming manually is slow unless you're just paying beads for packs.
foggy cipher
yeah it’s a strange decision
foggy cipher
tools already have limited uses per rest and that’s good enough
hollow elm
It seems mainly to make you consider spamming tools less across a short time, but that makes me wonder why Shard Pendant doesn't magnetize shards for faster farming.
I'll see if later areas drop more shards, or if beads for shard packs is the intended way.
elfin ravine
I haven't noticed later enemies dropping significantly more shards
brave flower
tools already have limited uses per rest and that’s good enough
the problem is that ||they dont with a certain crest||
foggy cipher
oooooh
brave flower
its so funny, shards are a completely baffling mechanic until you get ||architect crest||
autumn kettle
||yeah, i think the shell shard system is, at least in part, present specifically so that they could do things with the architect's crest and possibly similar dlc equipment||
||it's something that doesn't really make a ton of sense until you get to the tool that makes you understand why it needed a resource framework to play with||
||and we'll probably see more stuff like that||
elfin ravine
waiting to see if someone makes an infinite shard mod
there is one to restock tools, but that's not what I want
thorny bear
ah, yet another episode of "spend an hour attacking every inch of wall within a square mile to no results"
thorny bear
oh dang, my longshot guess was right
i knew that fuckin ||statue|| was up to something
tacit wadi
I don't know what to do
aside from beat the ||Bilewater Boss||
I think I've done literally everything else
autumn kettle
show map
tacit wadi
gimme a moment
autumn kettle
one area and then prog yeah
tacit wadi
which area?
inner fog
Uhh ||putrified ducts||, you get there from the roof area of the ||memorium||, one of the wishes in ||songclave|| leads you there
thorny bear
there's a place you can get to from either ||bilewater boss|| or ||memorium||
inner fog
Uhh ||putrified ducts||, you get there from the roof area of the ||memorium||, o...
oh no wait the entrance is in the ||memorium||
thorny bear
and there's a place you can get to from ||blasted steps|| but it doesn't really have anything for you yet
autumn kettle
Uhh ||putrified ducts||, you get there from the roof area of the ||memorium||, o...
oh sorry two areas
the other one is ||the sands, like serval was alluding to||
thorny bear
though i'd say it wouldn't hurt to do more story progression at this point
autumn kettle
and there's a place you can get to from ||blasted steps|| but it doesn't really ...
it does have ||the crustnut, a charm and a red tool!||
tacit wadi
where do I get to the ||Sands||
autumn kettle
||pinstress hut||
tacit wadi
gotcha
thorny bear
oh i forgot the nut is there
autumn kettle
autumn kettle
oh i forgot the nut is there
||and also the spell electrifier!||
brave flower
which route into act 2 gets me ||closest to the underworks||
||phantom or last judge||
autumn kettle
||judge||
||phantom takes you to the totally opposite side of the citadel||
iirc at least
hollow elm
I'll see if later areas drop more shards, or if beads for shard packs is the int...
Running into a new enemy that drops a lot of shards (I think around 100-ish?) ||in exchange for a pinata-like fight||.
inner fog
If they eventually add a Pantheon/godhome equivalent to silksong they should make ||Groal’s|| fight include the entire runback as a joke 
hollow elm
Already feels like Pantheon tier in many cases
autumn kettle
If they eventually add a Pantheon/godhome equivalent to silksong they should mak...
that would be fucking hilarious I'm not gonna lie
I'm so down
||groal is the entirety of bilewater but with path of pain sicko hazard positioning||
||and then also has the arena||
open stratus
guess ive got ||one hell of a runback to map out||
||If you're facing the Judge, there's a shortcut above the second platform after the sacred bench. Jump to the left and it should be visable.||
hollow elm
by the Pale King, all these flying enemies are making it painfully apparent why Shaman Stone Soul Blast was goated.
inner fog
that would be fucking hilarious I'm not gonna lie
That or a reverse Tiso, where you fight ||the missing snail shaman||
autumn kettle
hah
autumn kettle
by the Pale King, all these flying enemies are making it painfully apparent why ...
i sorely missed abyss shriek, for sure
threadstorm is strong, but it's more committal and less Direct Fuck Everything Above Me
inner fog
You also got ||Rune Rage|| if you got a big opening (or just love gambling‼️ )
hollow elm
Threadstorm is alright if I can get close, but I'm increasingly getting better with ||straight pin|| to snipe
hoary tulip
oh wait yeah nevermind
autumn kettle
||rune rage is absurdly cool but it's really slow, and didn't really mesh with the crackhead needle lunatic playstyle that i prefer||
hoary tulip
it is gambling to try and do that shit without a huge opening
hoary tulip
||rune rage is absurdly cool but it's really slow, and didn't really mesh with t...
||Rune Rage + Shaman Crest + electric skills = ???||
inner fog
yup, flying enemies love moving two centimeters out of the blast
autumn kettle
the fact that it literally gives you ||pure vessel's attack, though, is so goddamn cool||
hollow elm
(Act 1 end) ||I'm incredibly greatful I picked Phantom instead for Cross Stitch counter.||
hoary tulip
||Weavelight for best results||
inner fog
still helped a lot in the ||coral tower||
autumn kettle
||Rune Rage + Shaman Crest + electric skills = ???||
i don't even know what ||shaman crest does to buff spells||
hoary tulip
straight up increases damage
hoary tulip
||Shaman Crest + Pale Nails + Electric silk + Weavelight is also brutal||
autumn kettle
"okay but this needle moveset fucks"
and then unequipped all of them to not misinput
so I used that on the final boss
hoary tulip
the needle moveset is for generating Silk back so you can obliterate everything with spells actually
autumn kettle
with barbed bracelet + longclaw
inner fog
the needle moveset is for generating Silk back so you can obliterate everything ...
I will say though, the slow attack speed can end up leaving you with little silk to spare if you’re not careful
hoary tulip
||Moonlight Greatsword fucks though||
hoary tulip
I will say though, the slow attack speed can end up leaving you with little silk...
this is what ||Weavelight|| is for
hollow elm
I've been increasingly getting practice with Hunter style, the i-frames after landing the dive make it worth practicing.
autumn kettle
mods, give this bug a TRUE
have any of y'all fought the final boss yet?
it's so fucking fun
inner fog
this is what ||Weavelight|| is for
It should really say in the tooltip that it ||gives a bonus silk heart tho||
brave flower
||If you're facing the Judge, there's a shortcut above the second platform after...
i have yet to make it to the second bench
hoary tulip
I've been busy boondoggling and doing quests lol
by the fucking way
can I just say
brave flower
straight up increases damage
oh my god its fucking ||SHAMAN STONE||
hoary tulip
the quest system being fully fleshed out and good in this game is the best thing ever
inner fog
Also, any lategamers know what the deal with that random outcast Skarr in the far fields “target room” is?
inner fog
ohhhh
autumn kettle
OH?
hoary tulip
hah
hoary tulip
just because you have every tool doesn't mean ||you got every tool upgrade||
autumn kettle
STOP, STOP, MY NEEDLE CAN ONLY GET SO PALE
inner fog
Oh also uhh, is there another one of those Heracles beetle guys in act 3?
inner fog
yeh
brave flower
im in hell btw
autumn kettle
lam fao
brave flower
||blasted steps|| is evil and hateful
||sinners road|| is evil and hateful
||hunters reach|| is evil and hateful
inner fog
in far fields iirc?
||Well the one behind the gate by pilgrims rest is ded in act 3 💀||
hoary tulip
found the hard regions did we
autumn kettle
kek dub you
autumn kettle
||Well the one behind the gate by pilgrims rest is ded in act 3 💀||
nah, not that one
brave flower
found the hard regions did we
i guess i fucking did
autumn kettle
||there's another bitch that's void-possessed||
hoary tulip
I think maybe the most iconic thing about Silksong is that it starts out as Metroid
and then goes "hey welcome to Dracula's fucking castle" in the middle
autumn kettle
basedbasedbasedbasedbased
hoary tulip
need diemonster.wmv for Silksong tbh
autumn kettle
god i want them to make harder content
hoary tulip
the little ghost couldn't talk but Hornet can
hoary tulip
please, the fandom can't handle it
autumn kettle
give me crackhead lunatic mode
brave flower
honestly i hope they add postgame stuff thats just utterly brutal
hoary tulip
also there is a steel soul mode if you want to go nuts
autumn kettle
that adds an extra apeshit murder phase to every boss
autumn kettle
also there is a steel soul mode if you want to go nuts
yeah but I don't want deathless, I want to be utterly overwhelmed by a difficulty that i can see the fucking end of but seems insurmountable for hours until it clicks and i lock the fuck in
hoary tulip
real
brave flower
you want path of pain
hoary tulip
despite getting tilted at a few Very Hard Parts of this game I would say that most of Silksong has been completely reasonable?
autumn kettle
yeah
brave flower
thats my stance so far
autumn kettle
a bit too reasonable for my tastes, mostly
hoary tulip
like, the money thing is, you know, how about you adjust to the way the game is instead of trying to play Hollow Knight
brave flower
the game is frequently cruel but never unreasonable
hoary tulip
every time I've gotten checkpoint starved it turned out I was having an exploration issue
inner fog
Even at the most “unreasonable” part for me ||Groal||, my breakthrough was simply going to bed and trying the next day, and simple playing more cautiously instead getting hit trying to eke out more damage/silk
hoary tulip
that fight is literally a patience check and I hate it
all you have to do is slow the fuck down
hoary tulip
yeah?
thorny bear
but the spindash attack with the enormous hitbox that homes onto your location and does 2 damage is really really frustrating
hoary tulip
run under it
thorny bear
except the only consistent way to avoid every other attack she has is to be waiting on the wall between her attacks
thorny bear
yeah, i guess the main thing is just keep trying and practicing
autumn kettle
but the spindash attack with the enormous hitbox that homes onto your location a...
honestly i think that attack is super necessary as part of her moveset
thorny bear
but the runback of fighting a dozen enemies every time is tedious
autumn kettle
because otherwise you can kind of just Solve Every Attack with the same spacing
i agree that the arena fight beforehand adds nothing, though
autumn kettle
i like some of them, but that one just
isn't very difficult, but takes a bit
also, where's that far fields ||target room?||
||i don't remember it, so idk if i ever found it or just forgot entirely||
autumn kettle
gotcha, thanks
wanton bone
also, where's that far fields ||target room?||
Is that the one with ||the two ants and the thing hanging in the middle?||
thorny bear
also i wish charge attacks were good in this game
autumn kettle
they are
thorny bear
for most of them the attack animation is about the same length as just. attacking twice.
and attacking twice gives you two silk instead of zero silk
autumn kettle
they're conditional
but good
||reaper's, witch's, shaman's, and apparently architect's are all really strong||
||dunno about the last||
||that's secondhand||
hoary tulip
||I think Architect has the best Needle Art in the game and it isn't close||
hoary tulip
Yes
autumn kettle
hoary tulip
||So far, I've gotten one other, which is Trobbio's mirror becoming|| ||Trobbio's mirrors plural||
brave flower
||reaper's, witch's, shaman's, and apparently architect's are all really strong|...
ive seen a clip of pollip pouch + ||architect (buzzsaws, cogflies, tacks|| killing ||karmelita|| in thirty seconds
brave flower
that shit is VERY STRONG
autumn kettle
tools break this game wide open
i'm proud of doing everything basically nail only
does anyone know where i can find some of these in act 3?
clearing out my journal rn
autumn kettle
wait
is hornet gonna get a fucking water run
in dlc
that would slap
it's vanishingly unlikely
but
it would slap
thorny bear
i think it's just establishing character
umbral canyon
act 2 (?): is ||the mist some kind of infinitely repeating area or am i losing my fucking mind||
thorny bear
that all her observations are tuned towards finding ways to develop new useful gear
wanton bone
Would be a sick ass Isma replace.
autumn kettle
act 2 (?): is ||the mist some kind of infinitely repeating area or am i losing m...
||there's a trick to it that i didn't correctly assess because i did what it wanted slightly too far away from where it wanted me to||
||the trick is|| ||playing music near the firefly things so they show you which entrance to go through||
i found him again :D
elfin ravine
i have a feeling there are so many little tools and bits I missed in random side rooms
umbral canyon
um, hey what the fuck where are my ||spool upgrades||
elfin ravine
did you die?
umbral canyon
do the fucking ||ghosts|| steal them or something
umbral canyon
did you die?
yeah, is it held in the coccoon or something and i never noticed?
rose granite
Yeah, took me a bit to figure out that myself
Also, finally got me ||double jump.|| Now to finish up ||Bilewater, the mist which I just came across, and the boss in Sinner's.||
sinful stirrup
Flintflame fliers are really rough
lost brook
||Widow,you gotta wake up VERY early in the morning to try and catch me with the Grimm dive dash
That shit is ingrained in my brain deeper than the blink reflex||
brave flower
||Widow,you gotta wake up VERY early in the morning to try and catch me with the...
oh theyll catch you with it alright
but not in the way you expect
sinful stirrup
Hmm, new traversal tool acquired, not sure where to backtrack with it
rose granite
Hmm, new traversal tool acquired, not sure where to backtrack with it
Story of my life in this game lol.
hollow elm
I've been using markers tons for areas to check later.
sinful stirrup
I should probably get them
rose granite
I've been using markers tons for areas to check later.
Same, but even then it takes a bit to check them all
Even got a system for specific markers representing specific things.
Etrian Odyssey and my love for categorisation serving me well
autumn kettle
Anyone know how to trigger ||Trail's End?||
do you have every map?
||and everything else from shakra||
tacit wadi
||every map yes, currently buyingevberything else||
||I think I need to do that||
ok done
now uh
I guess I wait for it to trigger or something?
nope, still hasn't triggered
I'm not missing anyhting am I?
thorny bear
i would assume you need to get the dreamers
autumn kettle
oh wait
yeah you probably just don't have citadel maps
i assume you're missing high halls and/or core
autumn kettle
you gotta take better map pictures lmao
thorny bear
is it just me or is ||crust king|| bizarrely easy for where he is in the game
i suppose it's an instance of getting to him being the actual boss
it took me four or five tries to reach him, but once i did i think he was the only boss in the game besides moss mother i beat first try
autumn kettle
is it just me or is ||crust king|| bizarrely easy for where he is in the game
yeah, he and his tower were really kind of a joke
it's...unfortunate
considering he was also a backer boss
brave flower
dw the dlc will contain ||nightmare crust king||
autumn kettle
genuinely hoping
as well as steel assassin sharpe
and the other steel enemies
who got cut
when sharpe was a backer boss
brave flower
wait did ||sharpe not make it in||
autumn kettle
correct, sharpe did not make it in
at least for now
possible dlc content
probable, unless they worked something out with their backer
brave flower
if hes a backer boss he'll prolly make it in
team cherrys not gonna just Not Put A Backer Boss In The Game
tacit wadi
yeah you probably just don't have citadel maps
Didn't work
thorny bear
if you're sure you have all of them, i would assume you need to get the dreamers
tacit wadi
yeah, gonna try that
autumn kettle
if anybody can tell me where to find these three enemies in act 3, i would appreciate it
been looking for splinterhorns, but no luck
brave flower
been looking for splinterhorns, but no luck
are there none in ||shellwood|| anymore?
autumn kettle
there probably are, i just don't know where
there are the base versions, just dunno where the horned ones might be
brave flower
ahh
autumn kettle
okay, got the elder pilgrim
inner fog
wonder if we’ll get a ||coral forest memory area, akin to verdania|| in a possible dlc
autumn kettle
still no idea about the other two, though
autumn kettle
wonder if we’ll get a ||coral forest memory area, akin to verdania|| in a possib...
i would love a more permanent ||verdania and coral tower|| for sure
inner fog
||Hornet uses memory time travel to bring them to present day|| or somethin, they’ll figure it out
proud cobalt
I don't understand why the ||Spool Fragments|| (Do I need to spoiler that?) look like that.
gusty storm
okay so what all lore is there about ||grand mother silk||
fathom willow
I just beat ||Groal|| and I feel like that and the surrounding area was way harder than everything else I've done so far lol
umbral canyon
man, they're just really casually making you do some path of pain shit in ||cog core|| huh
hoary tulip
It gets worse
inland wave
so like leave and it'll come- yeah
i only have so much 'smack every inch' patience and want to stop being here
gusty storm
also wrt loretalk
I do love how Pale King now in retrospect looks really benevolent and like an actually well-intentioned ruler when contrasted with || Grand Mother Silk ||
hollow elm
increasingly aware of how huge Hornet's hitbox is compared to Ghost facing flying enemies
dreamy scarab
Craw Lake question. I think I pogo'd too close to the sun and got somewhere early, then died somewhere I can't get back to. I pogo'd off some birds ||above the halfway house|| and died above ||a grate I opened with a lever, with no pogo balloons that I can reach from the near side||. (Second picture from below there, I'm giving up for the night and don't want to deal with pogoing back to the top half)
As far as I can tell, there's no way back up there with the upgrades I have right now ||silkstep, drifter's cloak||, am I missing something or should I just kiss those rosaries goodbye?
hollow elm
(Act 1 Tools) ||Weavelight's extra Silk Heart|| really makes silk skills more usable for damage, especially when paired with ||Barbed Bracelet's extra needle damage||.
wanton bone
Craw Lake question. I think I pogo'd too close to the sun and got somewhere earl...
Could try and repeat the pogo. But otherwise yeah, I think it’s lost.
In other news, I can say I beat ||pre nerf Moorwing!||
sinful stirrup
Craw Lake question. I think I pogo'd too close to the sun and got somewhere earl...
You are missing an upgrade from shellwoods
hoary tulip
Act III main quest spoilers: ||I found an extra heart???||
spark ether
||savage beastfly rematch starting its charges fucking off screen is making me lose my goddamn mind||
I've realized the ultimate source of all the problems I have with this game (despite my enjoyment of it)
its not just that its difficult, its that its actively hostile to the player / player experience
hollow elm
||savage beastfly rematch starting its charges fucking off screen is making me l...
||I turned the music and Hornet's noises off for that fight, can still hear it's windup at least.||
spark ether
||I turned the music and Hornet's noises off for that fight, can still hear it's...
ooh very good idea, thank you
spark ether
Welp I just burned through over 1000 shell shards on that fucker and nearly ripped my controller in half, so I think I'm gonna go take a break now
thorny bear
i'm curious how you're intended to damage phase 2 ||Nyleth||
the obvious answer is just to pogo on her, but then you physically do not have enough time to get away from the giant explosion attack if she does it
i was able to beat her without too much issue by just dodging everything besides the explosion and outhealing it, but that probably isn't intended
i'm also very curious about the lore connection between her and White Lady
umbral canyon
man, it would be nice if there was a homeward bone type item. i realise saving and quitting accomplishes the same thing, but having it be a bit more seamless would have been cool
elfin ravine
There is something semi like that in act 3
umbral canyon
uhhh, just to make sure i'm on the right track: Accessing the ||upper level of the cogwork core with the song|| needs the ||double jump|| and i shouldn't bother poking around that area until i have that, right?
sinful stirrup
Fuckin, miniboss at the end of an arena, boo
elfin ravine
uhhh, just to make sure i'm on the right track: Accessing the ||upper level of t...
||You don't strictly need the double jump, though it does help. You can climb up CoCo with just the Grapple ||
sinful stirrup
Oh I made it most of the way up without double jump
umbral canyon
huh! ||do you need to bounce off one of the large silk guards|| to get there? I've tried the two jumps on either side of ||cogwork|| and had no luck with it
sinful stirrup
It's zipping around on thr brass rings and bouncing on cops mostly
elfin ravine
If you mean getting to the upper bit at all, you need to circle all the way around on the bottom
There's a door that takes you up
Do also recommend getting the ||double jump|| regardless though
It just comes in very handy
umbral canyon
mmhmm. should i keep looking in the citadel for that or elsewhere please?
hollow elm
Welp I just burned through over 1000 shell shards on that fucker and nearly ripp...
It's a wack fight for many reasons, hope later tries clear quickly.
hoary tulip
Got the true ending
Final boss very cool.
Very cool ending.
I’m tired, this was a 70 hour metroidvania experience in JUST the base game
Gonna take a break then come back for 100%
Also now that I have a moment to reflect on the game and speak on it as an experience
This is maybe the best metroidvania game for one thing that I think lots of games from this genre struggle with
Which is making different zones feel distinct to exist in, move around, and fight in
I can’t think of a single bummer map area in Silksong that felt mechanically mushy and uninspired in the way that frankly a handful of areas did in Hollow Knight
Not to mention the atmosphere, art direction, and music were always on point
umbral canyon
I think you also want the ascenders latch
yeah i just got to the upper half of ||cogwork core|| and doing it without the latch seems like it would be uhhhh problematic
umbral canyon
hmmm, are there any ways to boost your innate silk regen besides the ||silk hearts||? i would really like an extra one for ||mount fay||
rose granite
hmmm, are there any ways to boost your innate silk regen besides the ||silk hear...
Isn't there a blue tool that also boosts it?
umbral canyon
is it, uh, ||wavelight|| ? it said it only boosts 'regen' so i wasn't sure if that was the amount gained or what
or the speed at which it regens although tbh that would also be useful here
also seems like a good place to run Reaper crest maybe. hmmm
rose granite
Though I didn't have a ton of issue with silk in that location, since ||all the enemies you harpoon also give you silk on hit||
Did it yesterday after feeling that maybe I didn't want every ascending platform challenge to be a struggle
hollow elm
is it, uh, ||wavelight|| ? it said it only boosts 'regen' so i wasn't sure if th...
||Weavelight gives an unmentioned +1 bar regenerated too, is really nice when using skills often.||
inland wave
||so that's where my extra went||
rose granite
||Weavelight gives an unmentioned +1 bar regenerated too, is really nice when us...
I was wondering about that one, because I'd noticed the difference but thought it might've just been very poor wording.
solar elbow
can someone let me know if ||there is more than one real bench in bilewater?||
||i beat groal. fuck you team cherry||
granite hedge
||groal SUCKS. Quite literally||
umbral canyon
crazy how ||mount fay|| goes from being the single most forbidding area in the game to a chill movement playground
i''m kinda scared though, team cherry know what they're doing, they would not give hornet this much movement without intending to make you sweat for it lol
hollow elm
can someone let me know if ||there is more than one real bench in bilewater?||
||I've heard of another, but it may be hard to find.||
umbral canyon
oh man, ||deep docks|| has a whole thing inside it when you go back with all your movement abilities sorted
wonder what the deal with the ||diving bell|| and the ||flintstone pile|| are
tacit wadi
Anyone know what to do with this character?
I just beat Trail's End as it finally spawned as well
autumn kettle
the obvious answer is just to pogo on her, but then you physically do not have e...
you do, you just specifically have to be harpooning away
autumn kettle
also, posting this interactive map here https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom so i don't lose track of it again
proud cobalt
I hate how good flying enemies are at staying just out of your attack range, they feel better at that then they were in Hollow Knight.
dreamy scarab
yeah, they trip me up in a frankly embarassing way
a big part of managing my loadout is "okay, do I have an option for making flying enemies suck less"
proud cobalt
While I have not played the game I watch it vehemently (No devices that can run it) and ignoring the fact my tired headache makes me a little irritable, the person I'm watching is stuck in the... ||big red ant and flying spear ant encounter|| and it's so good at being just outside of reach.
autumn kettle
they're definitely designed to be solved either by being godlike at the game or...with tools
because you have tools
proud cobalt
They run Fleabrew and Longpin typically, and keep forgetting about Longpin.
Should I spoiler those?
proud cobalt
Oh, haha, they ran out of fleabrew so they swapped to the 3 pins and said they are just gonna spam ranged tools.
autumn kettle
Oh, haha, they ran out of fleabrew so they swapped to the 3 pins and said they a...
oh nice, they are capable of learning!
people really gotta adapt
to tool use
there are so many
and they're all so fucking strong
proud cobalt
We're used to Hollow Knight, probably.
dreamy scarab
IMO spoiler tags are a nice courtesy (I'm pretty far behind most of the people in this thread), but they kind of need context to be useful. (it's also probably not worth stressing over, like, a pretty generic name like "longpin" versus something like a story spoiler)
proud cobalt
Fair.
autumn kettle
some boss names, too, are pretty like
impossible to get anything out of
like nyleth means literally nothing until you interact with them
but ||clover dancers|| would be a big spoiler
for anyone who hasn't encountered them (in act 3)
proud cobalt
Everyone am watching is currently act 1.
autumn kettle
okay?
proud cobalt
What? Just saying is all.
rose granite
I hate how good flying enemies are at staying just out of your attack range, the...
A decent chunk of them have a rather clear AI pattern to them I found of stepping back in response to you jumping.
Made it really easy to abuse said pattern for when you need more room to navigate against one or more flying enemies.
wanton bone
My personal worst foe is the (very early game) ||pilgrim with an acid spit and a jump back when you approach. Miserable pre dash and not super easy post.||
rose granite
Made it really easy to abuse said pattern for when you need more room to navigat...
I don't think it works against all flying enemies, but I did notice it.
autumn kettle
My personal worst foe is the (very early game) ||pilgrim with an acid spit and a...
the trick there is that ||you can break their projectiles||
||with needle strikes||
wanton bone
the trick there is that ||you can break their projectiles||
Ah fair. ||That arc though is just a perfect anti-air.||
brave flower
yeah thats the trend ive found witb ||projectile enemies||, you can basically always ||block or deflect their projectiles||
rose granite
the trick there is that ||you can break their projectiles||
Even then if one was zoning a jump it could be a bit annoying, if not insurmountable. Luckily enough there are only two such instances in the game I think, and one you can hit from below whilst the other you meet after ||the dash|| usually.
brave flower
otherwise theyd all be completely miserable to deal with bc their ||projectiles are quite fast||
wanton bone
Yeah. (Hollow Knight but related) ||It was technically in hollowknight as well, but only for a few random projectiles I think.||
autumn kettle
Ah fair. ||That arc though is just a perfect anti-air.||
oh for sure, it's fucked
proud cobalt
Primal Aspids, my beloathed.
autumn kettle
it's just less fucked if you know the trick
okay!
one more motherfucker to find
and then journal is done
finding these bastards in act 3 is a challenge
dunno where they spawn
proud cobalt
Suffice to say, Team Cherry learned alot from Hollow Knight. You can feel how different the game plays.
dreamy scarab
and sometimes that means doubling down on parts of Hollow Knight's design that were deliberately high friction. a lot of the Dark Souls influence is, like, somewhat trolling the player
proud cobalt
The ||Trapped bench|| was pretty funny.
autumn kettle
yippee
proud cobalt
Oh, that enemy looks like they have the ||Godseeker's Helmet||.
umbral canyon
ok, ||groal|| is the first runback that's pissing me off for real lol
fathom willow
Just kinda nice with it (spoilers for ||The Slab|| boss)
autumn kettle
parrying in this game does feel pretty slick
umbral canyon
hey can you actually get past the ||putrefied ducts|| from the ||bilewater access|| or is it one of those 'open the path from the other end' situations?
autumn kettle
the latter
umbral canyon
ok thanks, i have had my fill of poison swamps for the moment anyway
brave flower
Just kinda nice with it (spoilers for ||The Slab|| boss)
holy shit ur sick with it
lost brook
sherma is not myla
sherma
is zote
tacit wadi
How do you get the second sentinel boss to spawn? Cause I have done literally everything else, including the dreamers, at this point
brave flower
sherma is not myla
sherma
is zote
no sherma's too friend shaped to be zote
lost brook
a weak little bug in over his head
who despite all of his manages to make it through pharloom because we keep clearing the obstacles and bosses for him
and he thinks that instead of us,he is progressing because of his song
autumn kettle
How do you get the second sentinel boss to spawn? Cause I have done literally ev...
find them twice
autumn kettle
a weak little bug in over his head
who despite all of his manages to make it th...
sherma makes it to far fields and blasted steps before hornet
and his song does, in fact work
tacit wadi
find them twice
Don't I need the quest first to do that
Sorry I'm just, getting frustrated at this point
autumn kettle
at least one pilgrim is non-hostile until he leaves
autumn kettle
Don't I need the quest first to do that
no, you get the quest after meeting them twice
tacit wadi
gotcha
autumn kettle
go through the citadel and find them
tacit wadi
gotcha
brave flower
and his song does, in fact work
sherma's song works on the player too
bc its adorable
and makes the people playing the game go "i will protect this whimsical little bug with my life"
pine niche
Okay. I just beaten Silksong.
As in, the secret and final ending.
...I love this game but man, do I feel like I want to end someone at some places-
green bone
dreamy scarab
the patch is still just on the beta branch, right?
elfin ravine
yeah
pine niche
I will say though, I'm personally unsure I'll bother with Steel Soul
HK felt hard but fair, and Skong is kinda bs half the times
green bone
inland wave
Truly, Hallownest mostly had like. The problems actual Kingdoms had. Pharloom being ||fraud from top to tip|| has me like 'i see why Dung Defender was so passionate'
open stratus
Hallownest was a place where people lived lives. It's king did very bad old school king things that get him remembered as either worthy of worship, a hated but honorable enemy, or a fool.
But Pharloom ||is an engine, not a place. Bugs go in, bodies, toxic waste, and eternal, unthinking devotion comes out.||
fathom shadow
Hallownest was a place where people lived lives. It's king did very bad old scho...
The Pale King was terrible, but he gave his people a civilization and tried to save them from becoming mindless zombies.
Also he gave his people free benches (mostly).
elfin ravine
Silksong once again proving that capitalism is the true evil
fathom shadow
I don’t think its really capitalism.
You pay everything in rosaries.
The rosaries are a physical measure of faith.
Not enough faith, no rest for you.
Push further, get higher, gather & kill.
At the next checkpoint, if you survived, you have earned your rest. Paid for in your devotion and persistence.
brave flower
the evil fusion of catholicism and capitalism
inner fog
||there's another bitch that's void-possessed||
Could you tell me where?
autumn kettle
unfortunately no, it was a one-time spawn and i didn't take note of where it was
||i believe it was somewhere in the act 3 exclusive section of far fields, but i can't be sure||
fathom shadow
I don’t think its really capitalism.
You pay everything in rosaries.
The rosar...
Something I find interesting about Pharloom (and hallownest, to an extent) is that the very shells of bugs, their bones are used as a crafting resource, and as building materiel. Its everywhere. And its fresh, recently gathered, and abundant.
Even hornet uses it.
Hallownest uses Geo, which are shells fossilized into the stone. They are precious pseudo metals, mined for and understood as a common and standardized currency with set values based on type. But thats all they are, just a currency.
dreamy scarab
Not just that, but shells are frequently a building material
elfin ravine
There is that whole plaque in the Marrow
How the shells of the fallen should provide the fundament for the Citadel
fathom shadow
Not just that, but shells are frequently a building material
Yea. The first few quests in Bone Bottom (which is an apt name for the location) is building stuff using shells.
autumn kettle
it's to the left of the bellway
was it, in fact, in ||far fields?||
inner fog
Yup
autumn kettle
good good, glad i wasn't misremembering
inner fog
Standing over some ants campin
autumn kettle
gotcha
dreamy scarab
Yea. The first few quests in Bone Bottom (which is an apt name for the location)...
that too! but I was thinking of how often the tunnels and hallways of both countries are carved through or built on top of giant, ancient shells
tacit wadi
I think Hollow Knight and Silksong (at least from what ive seen) are also completely underground
inland wave
I believe so, ||Loam|| references 'getting to see the grand rooves above' or something along those lines
also justice for ||Loam||
pine niche
Meanwhile I chose to continue playing and went to get the last pale oil
Oh my god
How tf can I beat these dam events
autumn kettle
How tf can I beat these dam events
pogoing and dodging were fine for me, but the juggle made me crash out a bit
pine niche
Juggle is so bad-
elfin ravine
Juggle is the one I have left still
the dodging was already aggravating though
but maybe also mainly because I missed it by one second once
pogo was fairly easy once I swapped to Reaper
fathom shadow
that too! but I was thinking of how often the tunnels and hallways of both count...
Its also a neat way of showing the age and brutality of the world of Hollow Knight.
The very ground is made of the dead.
pine niche
pogo was fairly easy once I swapped to Reaper
I personally hate that there's no way (that I know of) to turn off the floatation when stick points down
Just
Ugh
autumn kettle
I personally hate that there's no way (that I know of) to turn off the floatatio...
they're removing that
pine niche
Yuppie
But, yeah. I really love the game, but then there's the moments like this stupid fkn carnival and you have to make it to get the last weapon upgrade
Just ugh
brave flower
im struggling really hard with ||blasted steps||
brave flower
it feels like an area designed in such a way that all the enemies are easy to run past once
so then if you mess up the parkour at all, the enemies are all suddenly in positions that make the area 10x harder, leading to taking more and more damage
its exceptionally punishing
doesnt help that the floor is out for blood
i have yet to make it to the second bench
assuming there even is one
elfin ravine
there is one further up
brave flower
thank goodness
the worst part tbh is the fact that ||every so often the sand obscures my vision||
pine niche
i mean, it's hard, but it's not necessary
Enemies are super damaging, super fast and kinda hard to get wtf they're doing
I wanna do a clip of the 'awwww' scene after final boss, but they keep beating my ass so badly
brave flower
it feels like an area designed in such a way that all the enemies are easy to ru...
it feels like a puzzle that im missing the solution for
one of the most evil parts is the first ||judge|| in the first room
autumn kettle
that one's a good pogo target
brave flower
one of the most evil parts is the first ||judge|| in the first room
who runs up to the edgr of their platform if you run past them, making the jump insanely tricky if you fuck up the platforming and fall back down
i think i just gotta get more used to the reaper pogo
autumn kettle
yeah
brave flower
reaper's so good as an exploration crest btw
autumn kettle
it's got a little bit of initially downward momentum
but then it's fucking enormous
so it's all about spacing
brave flower
silk refund post heal, straightforward pogo, big swings
elfin ravine
the only part of Reaper I dislike is the upwards attacks
dreamy scarab
I just found reaper last night, but I'm in love
autumn kettle
i had to get used to em, but they're not as bad as i thought they were initially
brave flower
the only part of Reaper I dislike is the upwards attacks
||nail art|| fixes that iirc :)
dreamy scarab
the only part of Reaper I dislike is the upwards attacks
Co-signed, but the dash into kick is super stylish
autumn kettle
especially because the forward/neutral aerial hits above her
elfin ravine
||nail art|| fixes that iirc :)
it does help yes
autumn kettle
so it's kind of quietly the "real" anti-air attack
elfin ravine
I've mostly gotten used to Hunter now
elfin ravine
||Witch || has a great moveset, but I don't like not being able to heal normally
dreamy scarab
I'm missing hunter's down air a little for boss fights, it's nice as a sort of down dash
brave flower
i had to get used to em, but they're not as bad as i thought they were initially
yeah its basically like a trade off, you sacrifice horizontal flexibity for not having to commit to as high of a jump
do ||multihit attacks regenerate multiple bars of silk?||
elfin ravine
only missing the last crest now myself I think
elfin ravine
do ||multihit attacks regenerate multiple bars of silk?||
I believe yes
for the crests that do them
brave flower
followup question: do any of ||architect's drill attacks multihit?||
elfin ravine
||I believe Witch d-air does gain two pips of silk at least, unless I'm misremembering||
elfin ravine
followup question: do any of ||architect's drill attacks multihit?||
they do if you charge them IIRC
brave flower
HELL yes
autumn kettle
i unfortunately haven't really paid much attention to silk gen
elfin ravine
haven't used that crest much though, so I can't say
autumn kettle
i mostly just beat the shit out of things
hoary tulip
followup question: do any of ||architect's drill attacks multihit?||
yes and yes it does what you're hoping for
just hold down the buttom
brave flower
haven't used that crest much though, so I can't say
yeah i cant blame you, its a weird one
elfin ravine
if I didn't have to worry about shards, I might give it a try
hoary tulip
the only crest I got zero use out of was ||Witch||
elfin ravine
the only crest I got zero use out of was ||Witch||
I like the attacks on it quite a lot, but the different bind kinda makes me not want to use it
lots of blue slots is also nice
btw topple
|| when do I get Shaman crest? I've been assuming once I bring them the hearts||
autumn kettle
btw topple
|| when do I get Shaman crest? I've been assuming once I bring them t...
seekrit ;)
for a specific answer, if you want one knowing it's a secret: ||it's in their house||
||you have to soar at the little idol to the east of them||
brave flower
OH RIGHT
i have 2 ||upgrades to the tool pouch|| right now, the game says there's 4, are the rest in later acts?
autumn kettle
one is|| from collecting all fleas||
elfin ravine
one pouch was for a wish, but I forgot which one
I think I only bought one from a shop
brave flower
oh wait i got ||tool pouch and crafting kit mixed up||
i think i have no ||tool pouches right now||
only ||crafting kits||
autumn kettle
huh
i believe at least one tool pouch is from a craftsman vendor
probably forgedaughter?
brave flower
i think thats a ||crafting kit||
def got that one
||crafting kit = tool damage, tool pouch = max # of tools||
elfin ravine
there's one from a vendor somewhere, but forgot where
brave flower
iirc its ||pilgrims rest||
elfin ravine
and then one was from a wish, and one was from fleas IIRC
brave flower
basically im gonna run around doing stuff today
and then throw myself at ||blasted steps||
and maybe ||sinner's road for the tacks, but that area is evil||
rose granite
||crafting kit = tool damage, tool pouch = max # of tools||
Learning that they're not the same thing did help me a ton lol. I know that the description does describe them, but I just judged based on their shared icon ;p.
Also midgame boss spoiler ||The first sinner may be the most beautiful boss so far because their dress is gorgeous||
pine niche
Hmmm
Should I try to Steel Soul or fk that? 🤔
On one hand, game is fun. On another hand, it's pretty tough
autumn kettle
Also midgame boss spoiler ||The first sinner may be the most beautiful boss so f...
||she's one of my favorite bosses, too||
||her moveset is so fucking cool||
||not super tough, but really visually impressive||
pine niche
I won't lie, the only thing that made me saddie is that thing we get still silk-based... which I get why but still
brave flower
I won't lie, the only thing that made me saddie is that thing we get still silk-...
?
elfin ravine
Also midgame boss spoiler ||The first sinner may be the most beautiful boss so f...
I still haven't found her somehow
autumn kettle
have you found (unavoidable area spoilers for where she'll be) ||the apostate key||
pine niche
Also, speaking of the lore and worldbuilding, I really like that ||the Abyss seems to exist everywhere... the world is build in corpses which themselves are slowly drown into nothingless||
rose granite
and I thought I cleaned out ||Slab|| but must have missed her somehow
||She's behind a second Heretic door, in a room with a chest||
||on the ceiling there's a very small space to jump up to. I found it a little tricky at first, but could do a wall jump into a double jump to get there||
pine niche
Also, question. Is there a channel where we can talk spoiler stuff without hiding the text?
I can't hold my happiness over ||seeing little Ghost saving Hornet||, it's such an 'awwwwwwww' momenf-
dreamy scarab
you could make a second thread for spoiler stuff
proud cobalt
Person I watched is now exploring everything they can before fighting ||Widow|| to ||open the Cathedral gate.||
inner fog
does anyone know how the heck to get into this little shellwood room in the blasted steps?
I keep seeing it in maps online
open stratus
its exceptionally punishing
Welcome to holy struggle, pilgrim. Harshness weeds out those weighed down with sin, such that only the truly righteous may cross through the Great Gate. 🙂
tacit wadi
what was the last thing that pushed it over for you?
realizing I had to fight Lace :V
tacit wadi
yeah
brave flower
i have made it to the ||last judge||
people are saying the runback has a shortcut?
what is it
autumn kettle
it's not really like
a shortcut
it just cuts out one of the platforming bits
that little top-left vertical segment after one of the floating platforms
thorny bear
honestly i think it's a little disappointing how much silksong is an exact one-to-one recreation of HK's structure.
You start in a pit next to the starting town. Then you get an offensive spell that lets you advance to the area with the dash where you fight your acrobatic rival. You make your way to the wall climb ability, from which you go to the big city area through either the obvious entrance or a sneaky backdoor route. Three places are marked on the map that you need to get to in order to access the final boss. Two of them are guarded by challenging fights. You unlock another horizontal movement ability, which lets you get the double jump. ||If you fight the final boss right away you get an ending where you directly replace them.||
autumn kettle
this is a super fair criticism but it didn't affect me negatively in any way
i adored hk and adore ss
i'm fine with them recycling the like, "tiers of progress" formula that they used
thorny bear
yeah, it's the sorta thing that doesn't really have a direct effect on my enjoyment
autumn kettle
but i do understand it being disappointing from a creativity standpoint
thorny bear
it's just sorta "huh, it would've been nice if they mixed it up a little"
open stratus
It's a solid structure for a game