THE SILKSONG IS REAL

[autumn kettle]

oh

no

not the ||bilewater one||

||i was asking if there was one at bilehaven||

||closer to the huntress||

[inner fog]

Oh mb

||no||

[autumn kettle]

so i didn't have to take this long-ass route every time

pain-peko

[elfin ravine]

oh I see it now
||but that requires double jump, which I don't have yet ||

guess I'll just leave this place for later, and go progress more

[autumn kettle]

unfort

||yeah bilewater doesn't need wings, but it sure fucking wants em||

||i'm surprised the mist is so wingless-accessible||

[elfin ravine]

back to ||Blasted Steps|| I go for now

[autumn kettle]

oh fuck

don't tell me

||is the mist fucking randomized?||

oh my god it is

[elfin ravine]

oh no

[autumn kettle]

oh, is it not and i just don't have something that i need?

or is there like, a trick/secret that i've failed to discover

||the needolin didn't seem to do anything, and while i've noticed recurring room exits they haven't corresponded to any entrances||

at least as far as i've noticed

oh, ugh

i wish that was signposted better

[elfin ravine]

||Last Judge|| is kinda annoying

||I don't like the move where it spins close, feels very hard to avoid when I'm next to it||

also the run-up doesn't help

[autumn kettle]

damn, ||phantom|| goes hard

still annoyed about

[rose granite]

Turns out there was a faster path to the boss in ||blasted steps||. Went from 1min37s runback to 20s or so.

[autumn kettle]

hey what the fuck was that finisher

that was peak?

[autumn kettle]

oh fr?

where is it?

i did that runback every time

[elfin ravine]

got their ass

oh btw topple, are you still searching for craftmetal?
there was one in ||Blasted Steps||, don't know if you had that one

[autumn kettle]

I DO NOT

THANK YOU

where

[rose granite]

Yeah, when you jump upwards there's a small tunnel on the left side that if you take lets you skip a more difficult parkour section and two mobs.

[autumn kettle]

need metal

[rose granite]

Which means the only guy you actually need to fight is just the fly at the start.

[tacit wadi]

What do you need metal for, exactly?

[elfin ravine]

down here

[tacit wadi]

Beyond trinkets from that forge lady

[rose granite]

Since that fly is positioned in such a way as to make jumping past them really awkward.

[autumn kettle]

on hornet or the pin?

[autumn kettle]

seekrit

[elfin ravine]

||there's a little downward section under the bells, leading to a craftmetal down there||

[elfin ravine]

on the pin

[tacit wadi]

Fajr

[rose granite]

Yeah, tbh I've got it almost but am getting caught in the corner at times which is difficult to get out of.

[autumn kettle]

||tools from forgedaughter and also tools from the twelfth architect||

[rose granite]

The ||charge|| feels like the only difficult part of the fight to me at this point.

[elfin ravine]

I got them now, through liberal use of tools and using skills on the stagger

[autumn kettle]

much appreciated

yippee

[drowsy moss]

legitimately: how in the everloving fuck did ||the phantom|| make it through playtesting

there's "challenging", there's "overtuned", there's "bullshit", and then there's ||LITERALLY 10 MINUTE RUNBACK||

[prisma pewter]

anyone been to the ||snow area|| yet

[autumn kettle]

?

i second tried them, and also ||there's a bench in the exhaust organ||

they were cool, but not that difficult

[autumn kettle]

also, yes

||MOUNT FAY IS SO FUCKING RAD||

||I LOVE THAT ZONE||

||I LOVE THIS GAME||

||what an incredible platforming section||

||fucking adore it||

[prisma pewter]

i got to ||the bench but didnt have enough money|| so im gonnna ||run some errands for the courier guys||

[autumn kettle]

||the bench didn't cost money||

||unless you mean the one at the bilewater bellway||

||but that's not the bench i'm talking about||

[prisma pewter]

||the greyed one||

[autumn kettle]

ahhh

sorry i didn't look at the name of the person posting

so i saw your post and thought you were googroker

[elfin ravine]

||Underworks|| once more proving that capitalism is the true evil

[autumn kettle]

who mentioned a ||"ten minute runback"||

[elfin ravine]

||single use benches|| is evil

[autumn kettle]

IT'S SO BAD

THERE'S ALSO ||A CONFESSION BOOTH THAT COSTS EVEN MORE MONEY||

||AND IT JUST PLAYS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE THAT TELLS YOU YOU'VE COMMITTED AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN||

||AND TO GO WORK DURING REST HOURS WITHOUT EATING OR SLEEPING FOR AN ENTIRE SHIFT||

I KNOW WRITERS WHO USE SUBTEXT

AND THEY'RE ALL COWARDS

[elfin ravine]

I also kinda love that ||all the bugs down there drop like no rosaries||
||because they are poor af||

[autumn kettle]

OKAY THIS BOSS IS SO COOL

[green bone]

Made it to ||Haunted Bellhart||

[elfin ravine]

Nice

[green bone]

Im so bad at this game lmao

[elfin ravine]

It's a hard game tbh

[green bone]

also never found the map for || Greymoore||

[autumn kettle]

||the first sinner||

||is so fucking cool||

[drowsy moss]

where????

am i just blind?????

[green bone]

Also huh ||Memory Locket slot expansions are per Crest ||

[hot mango]

What’s y’all’s favorite Act 1 boss? Mine personally is ||Widow||

[green bone]

||Lace||

[autumn kettle]

HOLY SHIT

I DID NOT EXPECT THIS BOSS

TO BE SO FUCKING INCREDIBLE

[autumn kettle]

||widow or the last judge||

[autumn kettle]

yeah

[prisma pewter]

theyre super frequent drops

[hot mango]

||Last Judge was fun to learn but I found her attacks to have a bit too short a window between being telegraphed and being thrown out. Plus the double damage felt a bit excessive||

[autumn kettle]

||enter the main room, top left||

[drowsy moss]

i actually fucking hate this design pattern

[hot mango]

||Still really fun- even with Moorwing having its issues I’ve not really capitalized D disliked a boss thus far||

[drowsy moss]

of ||critical path to the left, item that critical path is excruciatingly difficult but technically possible without to the right||

[rose granite]

Done with my lil early game boss finally lol, again don't game on a cold. Once I figured out the runback it became rather pleasant to do beyond the fly at the start.

[autumn kettle]

i mean, that's a metroidvania classic

"hey, you can do this thing...but it'll be easier if you find an item!"

the important part is signposting the existence of the item well

[drowsy moss]

there's a difference between "easier" and "missing a fundamental quality of life feature"

[autumn kettle]

like your assorted "here's [x mobility tool signpost]" traversal sections

[hot mango]

Define “fundamental quality of life feature”

[autumn kettle]

for mantling, dashing, grappling, samus's morph ball, etc.

[drowsy moss]

respawn points, maps

[hot mango]

Cause movement abilities do not fall under that category personally and that’s all I’ve found so far

[autumn kettle]

yeah, what item are you talking about?

[hot mango]

That does kinda suck but it sucks in a fun way personally

If that makes sense

[green bone]

oh wow I really did do most of it without the map

[rose granite]

Btw @autumn kettle here's the part of the runback I was talking about that I'd missed. Might've been obvious to some, but took me a moment to realise that I could actually use it for the runback. That little tunnel right there saved me a good minute if not more of time, and made the run a ton smoother.

[rose granite]

many such cases.

[autumn kettle]

ohhhh, i kept taking that direction and wondering if there was anything interesting there or if it was just runback bullshit

just runback bullshit

[rose granite]

indeed

[autumn kettle]

damn, still haven't found that fourth simple key

[rose granite]

Yeah, I was wondering why it was there for a bit until I realised that exact fact lol.

[autumn kettle]

or an ornate key...

i wonder where the fuck the latter is

it's been like

10 hours since i found the ornate lock(s?)

(i swear i remember two)

[rose granite]

Have you asked a bird expert? I suspect an ornateologist may know.

[autumn kettle]

wonder if i missed something in ||whiteward||

[rose granite]

(Yes that is a stretch of a pun, but I am still proud of it)

[autumn kettle]

oh damn

i've progged the flea quest again

||but i need to find a new location!||

[rose granite]

Also, I've got a mere 450+ screenshots of the game so far.

[autumn kettle]

||interesting||

AHA @inner fog

SOMEWHERE IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING ZONE

AND I THINK I KNOW WHERE

okay nevermind my bad

guess it's somewhere fuckin else

[elfin ravine]

I hate that one fly

it's so in the way

[thorny bear]

@hoary tulip how many masks do you have where Multibinder is healing 5? I have seven masks and it still only heals 4

[hoary tulip]

gonna be real chief

I may have suffered a gas leak on that one

[elfin ravine]

made my way up to ||Choral Chambers|| now

damn, this place is big

[autumn kettle]

which boss?

[elfin ravine]

on the way to ||Last Judge||

I'm past it myself, but it was so annoying

[autumn kettle]

ah

still looking for this fucking key

so confused

[unkempt heart]

im having a lot of trouble with ||Sister Splinter||, any tips? the main thing tripping me up is the ||minions she summons after the first stagger|| ive got the rhythm for the rest of the fight down

[autumn kettle]

if you've got the metal for it, try grabbing hornet's needle mines

they're good for that

[unkempt heart]

from the smith vendor right?

[autumn kettle]

yuppers

[unkempt heart]

nice, ill go check that out then

[elfin ravine]

Sting Shards have been serving me quite well yeah

currently using those and longpin

[unkempt heart]

yeah just tried one last attempt without them because my coocoon is stuck in the arena and its absolutley the ||minons|| , im just finding it very difficult to attack them in the right windows

[autumn kettle]

i've been swapping between ||cogflies||, pimpillos, curveclaws, flintslate, and sunny d

[autumn kettle]

you should also have access to HEGAAAALE by then

which works wonders

[somber smelt]

I'm a couple hours in and having a very good time

[unkempt heart]

isnt it locked behind the ||bird arena?|| thats also been fucking me over, might just be because ive been slamming my head against these fights for a while rather than taking any time to rest

[somber smelt]

Made it to ||greymoor|| and getting rocked by some fuckass birds

[elfin ravine]

the fucking birds

[unkempt heart]

the weirdist thing is that i can consistently parry one of them but i just cant deal with the others

the runback to that bit is also annoyingly long

[autumn kettle]

i swear i had it by then, and used it there

but i might've used curveclaws instead

those are goated too, you should check em out

[elfin ravine]

IIRC yes

[unkempt heart]

i think it should be available to me but idk

[elfin ravine]

||the bird arena activates a bunch of balloons all over the zone, which let you bounce to higher areas||

[inner fog]

Oh no right track actually

[autumn kettle]

OH

HEY BUDDY

[unkempt heart]

that is a very cool mechanic

[inner fog]

||remember those grapple points by the pinmasters house?||

||in the blasted cliffs||

[autumn kettle]

...fuck

i interacted with them

but i didn't see anything above them, and they didn't seem to trigger anything

did i just

miss something

A G A I N

[inner fog]

yeah they take you to the crust zone

[autumn kettle]

ough

[unkempt heart]

imagine i managed to find an image where it has the speech bubble at the top

[autumn kettle]

also, for anyone who's cleared more of the citadel, has anyone found ||all three cogheart pieces?||

i've only gotten two

gonna finish this last bit of prog and see if it's over there, but

after that it's figuring out which goddamn rooms i haven't entered, or have but forgot to clear

[inner fog]

I got em but uhh forgot where 💀

Oh wait I got the last one in the ||memoriam/zoo area|| I think

[autumn kettle]

nah, i got that one

and one in ||the choral chambers||

or wait fuck

did i get one in ||the vaults...?||

hm

[green bone]

Deeply clueless to where Im supposed to go now, exploring ||Shellwood|| doesnt seem to lead anywhere

[rose granite]

It did make me think of a mod that literally just removes or moves it lol

Also ||going from Sinner's to Blasted to Underworks has been an experience||

Which speaking of, regarding a certain tool from the last of those ||do you at any point have to use the drill to dig stuff? I sincerely hope not||

[gleaming reef]

Team Cherry: Make a Gruz Mother joke again I fucking DARE you

What if the big fly boss was actually the hardest

I hope this game has a boss rush mode at the end

Hollow Knight's pantheons are whatever for me

I feel like I could perfect Silksong's bosses like I do for Sekiro

[rose granite]

Kudos to whoever completes the Pantheon of Pharloom only to get got by the obligatory secret boss at the end

I know my limits, and that is mine.

[autumn kettle]

not that i've seen

[rose granite]

Oh thank god.

Ended up looking up where to go, and as I suspected it turned out to be the last place I hadn't yet gone to.

Which at that point was just a confirmation that the tool wasn't necessary ;p.

[autumn kettle]

i love how hornet is just obsessed with petting soft things

oh my god

this is so fucking silly

[brave flower]

WHAT

[autumn kettle]

hornet lore...

waow

[brave flower]

||awwww||

[pine niche]

Sigh
As much as I wajt to like this game, I can't.

Why have they done what they've done

Why double damage to chonky enemies, why long runbacks, why bloodborne-esque grind for consumables, just, whyyyy

[brave flower]

i feel like all of those were the case in hollow knight too

[tacit wadi]

damn ||Mount Fay|| got hands

[brave flower]

its just that the game got really mapped out so it was easier to find everything

[pine niche]

Idk, not my experience with it

[autumn kettle]

having just replayed hollow knight like three times, that was def the case

well

not two-mask enemies

basic enemies and traps didn't really do two masks

but bosses did

[pine niche]

Rarely, and in the decond half

[autumn kettle]

i've also literally never had to grind for shell shards, if that's what you're talking about

[autumn kettle]

true, but that included every boss that wasn't like

chump change?

all of the dream bosses, pv, radiance, nkg, uumuu's dickhead jellies

oh, none of the nailmasters did two masks and they were pretty respectable

[pine niche]

I think bosses with double damage were...

Champion, Tyrant, NKG, Pure Vessel and Radiance?

[rose granite]

I think it's just a bit like in bloodborne, where it largely became an issue when you're struggling which coincidentally is also gen it's frustrating for folk.

[autumn kettle]

that would make sense

[rose granite]

It is a way to try to get people to do something else, but mixed results there in whether it lessens or causes more frustrations.

[pine niche]

I personally been in a situation where my shards ran out a couple of times, and kinda no way to replenish

But honestly, the main issue is the enormous damage everything deals

[rose granite]

It does remind me funnily enough of cuphead, in that I do think an easier mode would probably be warranted for a fair few folk.

[pine niche]

Gods I hate the last judge

[autumn kettle]

last judge was the longest i got walled on a boss, yeah

[pine niche]

You got ganked in the corner - sucks to suck, hope you like going from 6 masks to zero in 3 seconds-

[autumn kettle]

took me like eight tries

maybe ten

with long runbacks too

[pine niche]

I personally just got my ass kicked, and only funny floor spikes with poison helped

I personally hate high damage everything deals, how fat everything is, and how there's almost no damn way to deal more damage

[rose granite]

Oh the runback there can be made easier if you take this tunnel up, I'm case you haven't already

It is a frustrating one tho yeah

[pine niche]

(Except poison charm)

[pine niche]

I found that, yeah

And I beat the Judge

But it's definitely a boss where I said "fuck thos game" more than once lmao

[rose granite]

I do hope that the game has a breather area soon lol

[pine niche]

Lol, lmao

[autumn kettle]

poisoned tacks were ridiculous against it, yeah

[pine niche]

I hoped it too

The only way I could've done shit really

Too much damage and too fast attacks to be up close and bonk with nail (and so called damage upgrade did fuck off nothing it feels)

[autumn kettle]

lol

[rose granite]

Still haven't gotten those even if it became quickly evident that they're likely really good against bosses.

[autumn kettle]

the damage upgrades are definitely good

[pine niche]

Idk

[autumn kettle]

oh, i haven't used tacks too much

they're good but a lot of bosses have aerial mobility

[pine niche]

I made a 1st upgrade, enemies who tool 4 hits... still require 4 hits.

So damage upgrade is small enough where it literally doesn't matter

[autumn kettle]

depends on the enemy

[green bone]

The cocoon mechanic also pulls the incentive in the complete other direction too so its weird

[rose granite]

I do wonder how different the game would feel with 6 masks at the start

[rose granite]

It is

[pine niche]

Not much

Everything kills you with 3 hits anyway

[rose granite]

6 masks means that your first health upgrade goes to 7

[pine niche]

I run with 6 masks now, and it's frustrating as fucks

[pine niche]

Probably should've not make every enemy deal 2 masks of damage tbh

[rose granite]

Which would coincide with the time around where most bosses start dealing 2 hearts.

[pine niche]

And put starting HP at 3

At least it would've been more fair

[pine niche]

Isn't it started at 2nd and became the norm from 4th forward?

I think Leith was the last boss who had more 1 mask attacks than 2 mask attacks-

[autumn kettle]

wot

[pine niche]

Hm?

Literally every boss deals 2 damage on hit or uses combos to hit you twice

(Or have some attacks that area deny with projectiles or additional mobs so it is kinda the same damage multipliers but even worse)

[thorny bear]

silksong kinda reminds me of Shadow of the Erdtree

where they had a wildly successful game that a lot of people praised for being challenging

so when following it up they went too far in places and made it more punishing than it needs to be

[brave flower]

maybe over the course of development they got too good at the game so they overcorrected

[pine niche]

Idk

But I personally just straight up didn't have a good time...

...before enabling cheat engine.

What do you know, double the HP and damage actually makes it really fun

[gleaming reef]

Silksong feels like a very good difficulty curve for me specifically. I die to something a bunch and the pissbaby in me goes "That's sadistic" and then I notice a tell or a position I can go to and I suddenly understand how to beat the boss

[thorny bear]

all the inevitable "people who think silksong is too hard just have a skill issue and need to git gud" discourse everywhere is sure going to be fun

[tacit wadi]

Yeah

[gleaming reef]

But yeah I think an easy mode that like, gets rid of two damage attacks would be good for normal people

[autumn kettle]

i've yet to find anything excessively difficult or unfair

[tacit wadi]

Im enjoying it but theres definitely going to be a lot of people being obnoxious about silksong, in both ways

[autumn kettle]

but yeah easy mode would be fine to have

[tacit wadi]

(Which isnt to say criticism isnt allowed, but you know what I mean)

[pine niche]

It is very ironic considering I personally beat P5 and steel soul-

[rose granite]

Yeah, it's the classic thing of raising the difficulty due to being in a conversation with both your own and the more elite part of your community in terms of skill, and forgetting the value of breathing room (though the latter is less of an issue with Erdtree due to those open fields)

[pine niche]

But Skong is just too fkn brutal to the point of it being just annoting

[brave flower]

i feel like the games gonna get 10x easier when everythings mapped out and people'll be able to go look up where to get stuff to get stronger

[pine niche]

Well

[rose granite]

I don't mind it too much, think only the passive hurtbox stuff is something where my preference has shifted over time, but I have approached it with a fair few breaks to not get burnt out.

[pine niche]

I think I scrounged every part of the map... but I haven't found a single charm to get stronger

[brave flower]

well yeah

[gleaming reef]

I dunno this isn't like Elden Ring where you can just like

Back off from the bosses

[pine niche]

I also kinda hate how bosses just don't reward you with anything

[gleaming reef]

The bosses take up all their real estate

[pine niche]

Well, you kinda can, but only kinda.

[brave flower]

there isnt much in the way of raw numerical upgrades in hollow knight
theres like, nail upgrades and 1-2 charms

[pine niche]

Worst part is that there's kinda not really anything to get better

[brave flower]

mostly theres New Stuff You Can Do that makes avoiding things easier

[rose granite]

There have been a fair few I've fought who haven't, so it varies. Big ones do, smaller ones have an attack that might bug tend to deal damage through several smaller instances instead.

[autumn kettle]

i would love for more tools from more bosses, yeah

[rose granite]

It'd be neat.

[pine niche]

New spells, charms aren't in a greay abundance, but stuff like Mark of pride is kinda hard to miss and it's actually makes a difference

[severe swift]

There arw a lot of really baffling design decisions in Silksong. Like why not have bosses drop tools and items?

[pine niche]

A lotta charms with different and sometimes pretty neat effects

[severe swift]

Instead of 90% of that stuff being in a shop

[gleaming reef]

I'm digging the reaper crest

[wanton bone]

And pretty much without exception those numerical upgrades are the best charms - I can see why Team Cherry was more careful with stuff like Fragile Strength or heart.

[pine niche]

Meanwhile in Silksong the best shit imo is rosary magnet, faster run for silk, and damage protection on heal

Like, why

[gleaming reef]

Feels very natural to the gameplay unlike the other two crests I've found so far

[autumn kettle]

i disagree emphatically

[severe swift]

Why gatekeep any benches behind rosaries

[pine niche]

But why have they made everything so damn tanky AND flying

[pine niche]

I love act 2

[gleaming reef]

Damage protection on heal is not that good

[pine niche]

Where you have to pay 15 bucks for every use of bench-

[autumn kettle]

that's...exactly one area

[gleaming reef]

You still lose the heal if you get hit

[pine niche]

Yeah, but what else do we have?

[autumn kettle]

exactly one part of one area

[severe swift]

Like genuinely what is the purpose of this? Why would that be the case?

[gleaming reef]

Silk on getting hit is what I use

[pine niche]

Too slow to be of use imo

[autumn kettle]

where it's a deliberate narrative decision to suggest things about the world

[gleaming reef]

Oh wait no now I use ||poison berry||

[pine niche]

I personally run with rosary magnet, compas and faster run

[severe swift]

Is there any other soulslike game where you have to pay for bonfires?

[gleaming reef]

I forgot I just got that

[rose granite]

At this point I think it's worth cooling off with the discussion for now/drawing a line here, because it is getting rather heated

[pine niche]

Worse yet, benches are a lie often.

[thorny bear]

yeah those are all not especially useful, but the best you have for a while

[pine niche]

Well, not super often but often enough

[thorny bear]

it took me a very long time until i actually had to make decisions about which charms to equip

[autumn kettle]

it's like twice

[thorny bear]

they definitely seem less useful than hollow knight

[pine niche]

Like the trap bench (whyyy) or the one requiring parcour in the maggot place so far

[gleaming reef]

To be fair, I detected that one was off immediately I just didn't understand how to disarm it

I was expecting to get kidnapped like in HK

[tacit wadi]

||I got sent to jail due to an enemy in Greymoor||

||literally||

[pine niche]

I personally got a funny surprise and had like 1 hp and somehow barely dodge

But my point being... almost all benches are either paid for or a lie of sorts.

[gleaming reef]

Death is pretty low stakes in Silksong

[pine niche]

So... they're not as relieving as in Soulses imo

I see a bench and I think
"Oh fuck what do I have to suffer through this time"

[severe swift]

Im having fun with it in general tho! Anyone got any tips for the ||bigass fly?||

[pine niche]

Only really painful part is not having rosaries if you got gotchaed on a way back

[pine niche]

Have you found the ring of string spell?

[severe swift]

I havent got any spells at all!

[thorny bear]

it's very optional and the reward is hit or miss

[pine niche]

Try it when thing is right after attack (and spam the fuck out of the spell trigger)

[gleaming reef]

Yeah so ||when it charges horizontally it'll go as far you go, make it hit the wall to build up stagger. Best time to heal is right after it does the three vertical floor slams. Floor slams kill the minions if they get caught in it||

[rose granite]

And yeah, again let's move on.

[pine niche]

But yeah, I personally just wanted to went a bit about ky frustrations with le game.

[rose granite]

I get that, but it did become too much.

[pine niche]

I love the artstyle and music and just running around and xploring... but man, I feel like combat is unfun (for me) ~.~

[severe swift]

Ohhhh good call thank u

[autumn kettle]

does anybody know how to get into this unmarked room?

i absolutely know that there's something there

because this is right above it

i just can't figure out how to get in

sigh

nevermind

[tacit wadi]

Find it?

[autumn kettle]

3/4 to mask 9

yippee

[tacit wadi]

If so, was it in an obvious spot that you overlooked because it was too obvious?

Been there myself

[autumn kettle]

yes

[tacit wadi]

Oof

Sorry to hear

Ive done that multiple times so far lol

[autumn kettle]

it was ||of course, in the empty room directly underneath, with a trapdoor that was invisible but very obviously going to be there||

and i just kept ||checking the sides instead||

[rose granite]

Been there

I do wonder how much I might've missed in some areas, because on one hand it doesn't feel like a ton aside from the obvious "come back here later!" stuff, but on the other it'd be fun to know.

[prisma pewter]

||DOUBLE JUMP|| ACQUIRED

[autumn kettle]

NICE

ISN'T THAT ZONE SO FUCKING AWESOME?

i adore ||mount fay...||

[prisma pewter]

YES I DEFINITELY WASNT RAGING AT ANY GIVEN POINT

||the monster at the top is so cute i want to take her home please please please||

[tacit wadi]

||is there only the bench near the mantis lady, or is there other benches on the climb?||

||Still trying to climb atm||

[autumn kettle]

lmfao

i was actively overjoyed ngl

[autumn kettle]

||there are four total, but the fourth mostly doesn't count||

[tacit wadi]

Gotcha

[autumn kettle]

||wait sorry my map says three||

||i think i was misremembering a shortcut or something?||

||dunno, but i could've sworn there were four||

i've found a new least favorite enemy

GOD DAMN, GIRL, WHAT A MERCHANT UPDATE

oh damn

[prisma pewter]

HOLY FUCK THERES A ||MASK MAKER||

[autumn kettle]

yep :)

dunno what to do with this motherfucker yet, though

[autumn kettle]

:D

[gleaming reef]

Did you beat em?

[hollow elm]

Not doing great at Silksong combat, but exploration skills really let you get places.

[autumn kettle]

jeez, that's all of em?

ooh

that was a fun and clever platforming section, too

OH THAT'S FUCKING MEAN

RIGHT AFTER LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT INTERACTS WITH THESE ENEMIES IS OVER?

THAT'S FUCKED

I'M ROLLING

[tacit wadi]

lmao

[autumn kettle]

okay.

time to look for ||cogheart|| piece 3/3

god

this is gonna be annoying

||memorium, choral chambers, and vaults i think?||

[tacit wadi]

yes

[autumn kettle]

||the vaults one i got might've been a spool||

ough

hmm, got this piece of shit

which i think was a spool

time to see if someone on the internet knows

pain

[severe swift]

I just got reaper... holy moly this makes the game easier

[autumn kettle]

okay, did i not get the thing ||in the spa?||

||fuck, maybe i didn't||

oughh

i can't find the room where i thought i got a piece

nevermind, here it is

goddammit

aight, i'm fucking desperate

can anyone point me to the three ||cogheart pieces||

||i swear to jod i've checked all three locations i thought had them like eight times||

[hollow elm]

I'm pretty sure parrying in Silksong cancels out the entire swing now for both sides. Massively more usable than before.

[autumn kettle]

OUGHOUGHOUGHOUGHOUGHOUGHU

I GOT THE WRONG THING

FROM ||THE MEMORIUM||

[prisma pewter]

im at ||lace 2|| now

[autumn kettle]

O H O

||TRUE ENDING PATH BEGUN?||

[brave flower]

[tacit wadi]

||How'd you get this?||

[hollow elm]

I am rapidly approaching Sekiro/Sifu after learning more about Silksong parrying

[tacit wadi]

Also, how do you get the ||oil for the needle?||

[autumn kettle]

NO FUCKING CLUE BOSS

i just checked in after ||finishing cogheart and putting it into the second sentinel||

but i don't know if that was the trigger

it wasn't lace 2

but i'm not sure what it was

[thorny bear]

one thing I really like about wanderer is how often you get pregnant just from spamming attacks

PARRIES

HOW OFTEN YOU GET PARRIES

THANKS AUTOCORRECT

[tacit wadi]

Wanderer is my favorite personally

[fathom willow]

After getting used to Beast I can't use anything else

[tacit wadi]

what's the benefits of Beast?

[fathom willow]

A good chunk of bonus damage and range after using 'heal', and you get a little jump of extra height and range on the downward air attack

[thorny bear]

it's a bit of an old monster hunter situation

[rose granite]

It's funny that I mentioned needing a break after some tough areas, because the start of ||Choral Chorus up to the first(?) boss has so far been very chill.|| It's a nice change of pace.

[thorny bear]

where knowing the difference in damage would really do a lot to let me know which style I prefer

[fathom willow]

Plus you make feral animal noises while attacking after using heal, which is the most important part

[autumn kettle]

you are a crack fiend cosplaying hornet

[tacit wadi]

nice

[rose granite]

It is fun how the various styles do feel like proper sidegrades.

I'm a little curious about how many times certain attacks may be able to damage a foe across various styles, but suspect it's just 1 per style.

[rose granite]

Tbh I've just been assuming they all deal the same amount of damage per hit.

But feels like one of those things that one could data mine.

[thorny bear]

yeah I assumed that, but people were mentioning different damage

[hollow elm]

Wanderer Crest already pulled me in with the swing speed, but I've been rapidly learning about it's quirks.

[rose granite]

Mm I saw folk doing so, but without sourcing I just assume they're wrong for now.

[fathom willow]

Beast definitely gets a damage boost after heal, but the only data I have is certain 3-hit enemies dying in 2 hits instead, and I think 6-hit enemies dying in 4

[rose granite]

Wanderer is one I want to try to get good with, but fuck me if the down air of reaper ain't nice.

[fathom willow]

So I don't know exactly what the boost is

[hollow elm]

Wanderer Crest dash attack ||bounces off enemies if it hits something mid-swing, and has a divekick followup attack right after. Keeps running mid-swing to enable more aggro gap-closing||.

[elfin ravine]

||Grapple|| acquired now

[thorny bear]

ah, soon you will be able to obtain your final form

[prisma pewter]

i have no clue what the use case for that ability is

[thorny bear]

I don't understand the confusion

[brave flower]

||lowers your hurtbox||

[thorny bear]

is the video not displaying properly?

[brave flower]

by like a lot

||hornet is really tall normally||

also it looks really funny

[hidden flame]

Aura farming, presumably

[prisma pewter]

holy fuck ||lace is hard||

[hollow elm]

||Painfully apparent when wall-clinging near spikes, compared to Knight's small frame.||

[hidden flame]

||Satisfying, though||

[autumn kettle]

okay i uh

never actually looked at what this did

what the fuck does this mean, game

...fuck. i'm missing a lot, aren't i?

hm.

||that can't be the moss druid, can it?||

[hidden flame]

I know exactly who that is

[dense grove]

I do too and I technically just spoiled myself XD

[autumn kettle]

damn, my memory is a steel cage filled with water, so i don't

[hidden flame]

Do you want me to tell thee?

[autumn kettle]

i'll go to the next couple goobers i'm thinking of first

then maybe

[prisma pewter]

is ||barbed bracelet|| worth it?

[autumn kettle]

only when you're goated

[hollow elm]

If you ask, probably not

[fathom willow]

||I think it can be quite good vs a lot of bosses, generally no for everything else, I'm gonna have it on 100% of the time anyway||

[autumn kettle]

||okay, eva had some dialogue, cool||

[hoary tulip]

Someone tick up the Sewer Level counter

[rose granite]

Y'know, if nothing else this game has made me learn about where I'm happy to use guides in a game, because employing it for mask shards and other collectibles in areas that I've progressed past (for the time being) has felt quite fine.

[prisma pewter]

drop elo rn

[hoary tulip]

REAL

[autumn kettle]

||snare setter get, no moss goober though. hm||

[rose granite]

Turns out I missed like, 2

[autumn kettle]

||time to wrack my brains for wizard bugs||

[hoary tulip]

Okay so having played the game for like 25 hours I feel really good about this movement and difficulty

[dense grove]

topple have you ever played Skyward Sword? If so, would you like a hint in the form of a Skyward Sword gif? <XD

[hoary tulip]

This is good. I’m in the rhythm of controlling Hornet, and she’s the fucking best to control

[hollow elm]

The number of hidden collectibles/areas I've stumbled into with exploration focus is wild.

[autumn kettle]

i have, and it (along with the edge chronicles) informed much of my undying love for sky islands

[dense grove]

As a person new to HK but who has a general idea of the lore, specifically around Hornet and her whole... thing

[autumn kettle]

i would not quite yet, but

[dense grove]

What's her like

[hoary tulip]

Little Ghost truly is a fuckin doinky, sluggish, weak creature compared to the Princess of Hallownest

[dense grove]

specie-al

deal???

[autumn kettle]

i only have a couple goobers left to check

[dense grove]

She's named Hornet, but makes silk

[autumn kettle]

daughter of the Pale King and Herrah the Beast (more on both of them)

[hoary tulip]

She’s half-spider, half-god

[hidden flame]

Spooder-Wyrm, raised by bees

[dense grove]

I mean I know the Herrah & Pale King part

[autumn kettle]

the Pale King is a Wyrm, a god-thing in the hollow knight setting

[dense grove]

Oh so her name is just

a cultural adoption thing

[hoary tulip]

Wait was Hornet raised by Vespa?

[hidden flame]

Yee

[hidden flame]

Mhm

[autumn kettle]

at the very least she was extremely close to them

[hoary tulip]

Fuckin neat, missed that lore beat

[hollow elm]

That would explain the divekick a lot

[autumn kettle]

||upgrade your nail more :)||

[dense grove]

also this is mostly a 'what is the weapon taxonomy of Hollow Knight' question, but

I know the Knight, Quill, and the Hollow Knight have 'swords' called Nails

Hornet's weapon is called Needle

Is Needle also a Nail

[hoary tulip]

But yeah, Hornet is part spider, part god, trained to fight by bees and pure death to anything that wants a piece

[wanton bone]

I’d honestly recommend the Hollow Knight rpg for that

[dense grove]

Or is her weapon a Needle

[autumn kettle]

nails and needles seem to be different veins of weapon

[hoary tulip]

No, Hornet’s Needle is a Needle

[hidden flame]

No, it's a needle

[autumn kettle]

there are other needles

[dense grove]

Huh

Cool

[hoary tulip]

Needles, Pins, and Nails are all types of melee weapon

[hidden flame]

There are also Pins

[autumn kettle]

pins aren't necessarily a melee

[dense grove]

I take it

[wanton bone]

There’s also a bunch of NPCs with Tusks as well.

[dense grove]

Lace has a Pin

[autumn kettle]

it seems to be like

pin (knife), nail (sword), needle (polearm)

because there are a lot of throwing pins

of different types

[hollow elm]

The length of Hornet's weapon stands out to me, while Nails usually have a small-ish grip, and long/wide blade section.

[wanton bone]

(Big heavy clubs. In addition to all the other clubs.)

[autumn kettle]

and also melee pins

[rose granite]

You can also use your fists if you want to I suppose.

[hoary tulip]

Pins are piercing weapons, Nails are for cutting, Needles are like a halberd

Or a swordspear

[hidden flame]

Hornet throws her halberd, because dope

[autumn kettle]

polearms of a sort

lance, swordspear, pike, halberd

[wanton bone]

Needles I think are weird. Kind of rapier, kind of spear.

[hoary tulip]

Hornet is literally build different and can use her needle as a flail if you make her mad enough

[dense grove]

hornet has like

'what if a bug liked the idea of a nagamaki'

[hidden flame]

But yeah,
Pin is a rapier
Nail is a broadsword
Needle is a Greatsword

[hoary tulip]

It’s most like a lance but with a cutting edge really

So I guess a fucking zwei

Yeah

Hornet fights with a twohander like Giantdad intended

[hidden flame]

Wait

[wanton bone]

Yeah. Hornet’s weapon is weird.

[hidden flame]

Is she halfswording the zwiehander?

[dense grove]

I do like Hornet's design and etc but her silk being biological makes me a little sad in one, very specific and ultra nerdy way

I like when like

[hoary tulip]

Nah I’ve realized it

[wanton bone]

Again, the Hollow Knight fan rpg has a lot of this.

[dense grove]

man-portable cable/grappling systems

have winches

[autumn kettle]

oh okay, still not who i was looking for but apparently important for gubbins anyway!

[dense grove]

That make that high-pitched whine sound as they reel the cable in and shoot it out

[hoary tulip]

What do you think those silk spools are for?

[autumn kettle]

O H

[dense grove]

...fair

[fathom willow]

Just had a real funny moment where I posted a clip of myself beating act 1, and a friend who was several hours into act 2 did not recognize the fight I was doing

[dense grove]

A lot of hemming and hawing over 'pointy stick' taxonomy? XD

[hoary tulip]

Look

[hidden flame]

So Act 2 is real?
I thought that would be DLC, lol

[hoary tulip]

Big ole sharp pointy piece of metal

Stabs and slices equally well, can be wielded in either a piercing fashion or as a wide area-denying blade

It’s a zwei.

[hidden flame]

Yeah, Hornet would use a zwei

[wanton bone]

Not all that much, but a bunch of classes with different weapons seen in the games.

[brave flower]

huh???

[dense grove]

also I love that a fanmade HK rpg like

exists

but I also am like 'man does it really need that'

[autumn kettle]

YEAH UM

THIS IS NOT WHAT I EXPECTED

WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR NPCS

[brave flower]

||did it... take you somewhere?||

[wanton bone]

It’s got some interesting bug building stuff but is really lacking in like… NPC rules and layout.

[brave flower]

||or give you something??||

[hidden flame]

||I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going||

[autumn kettle]

YES

[autumn kettle]

YES

[brave flower]

WHAT

AND WHAT

I MUST SEE

shit i might need to play skong

[brave flower]

👁️

alr i am in fact gonna play skong

[fathom shadow]

IT TOOK ME AN H O U R TO KILL THIS MOTHERFUCKER.

HE IS SO FUCKING DIFFICULT

[tacit wadi]

I was stuck on him for a while too

[autumn kettle]

holy shit this sequence was cool

[brave flower]

HOLY SHIT

[fathom shadow]

I really like that there are movesets in this game
I only have the reapers crest so far, but it feels nice to use.

[autumn kettle]

okay

[autumn kettle]

i would now appreciate at least a hint of who i'm looking for

because the first person i went to was correct, but for a different part lmfao

and the second DID SOME FUCKED SHIT

[hidden flame]

https://tenor.com/view/were-going-back-to-where-it-all-began-were-going-back-driving-strolling-where-it-all-began-gif-14531747

[autumn kettle]

ohhhh right

the other npc over there

cool, thank

hmmmm

i also know that guy, thankfully

[hollow elm]

I'm very eager to unlock more, though I've already gravitated towards ||Wanderer|| as soon as I got it.

[hollow elm]

I like that Hornet's moveset feels different from Knight's, but at the same time, I yearn for more speed.

[autumn kettle]

there's a speeb trinket

[hollow elm]

*attack speed in particular

[autumn kettle]

that'd be wanderer

[gusty storm]

how do you get to do this?

[autumn kettle]

||tool from the twelfth architect||

wait...

i just noticed

there's an achievement for all crests

[gusty storm]

is it the ||"scuttle-brace"||

[autumn kettle]

and i don't fucking have it

[autumn kettle]

yuh

[gusty storm]

what crests do u hav

(out of curiosity)

[autumn kettle]

||hunter, reaper, wanderer, beast, witch, architect||

||which means there are at least seven||

[gusty storm]

waow

[autumn kettle]

okay, so far

||Widow, Phantom, First Sinner, Last Judge, and Trobbio|| have been my favorite bosses

they're so fucking cool

[tacit wadi]

just finished ||Mount Fay||

||Was that a fucking bird||

[autumn kettle]

I THINK SO?

IT'S A BUDDY, EITHER WAY

[gusty storm]

like... a ||non-arthropodal avian bird, with an endoskeleton and feathers and a normal-bird-shaped beak for a mouth and everything?||

[tacit wadi]

||Yes||

[gusty storm]

?????????? crazy fuckin lore implications

[autumn kettle]

FREND

ooh

||second sentinel was a bit too easy, probably too many nail upgrades for that point||

[elfin ravine]

||Cogwork Dancers || was a very fun boss

making my way around ||the Citadel||

[brave flower]

ok the ||bell beast|| was immediately an excellent fight

it hits like a truck but has very clear Windows To Hit It In in order to show you that this is the kind of game where you need to play patiently and methodically

[inland wave]

officially tired of benches costing rosaries

'we made it harder to save' what a fucking cunning game design decision

[inner fog]

holy fuck the ride never ends

[autumn kettle]

yeah, they were really like

[inner fog]

Oh you found ||first sinner!||

[autumn kettle]

a puzzle boss

it was super neat

[autumn kettle]

yeah she was so fucking cool

absolute joy of a fight

[inner fog]

perfect fight for ||beast crest||

[autumn kettle]

i hope there's a boss rush

so we can get a crackhead superjuiced ng+ version of her

same with basically all of those bosses

but even moreso ||second sentinel||

||who was kind of a punk because i had needle 4 and a bunch of other gubbins||

||i didn't even use great slash or any spells/tools||

[inner fog]

oh btw any sign of the green ||prince|| after the ||dancers||

[umbral canyon]

man, the shard cost for tools gets annoying i gotta say. seems like it discourages good old-fashioned beating your head against a wall

[spark ether]

I'm with yeah there. I'm still playing, but at about 15 hours in I can firmly say I'm having much less fun with this game than HK because of decisions like this, and ultimately I think it's fundamentally worse game for it.

[autumn kettle]

not yet for me

okay, finally got enough money to buy all of the ||flea locations||

so time to see which ||fleas i didn't naturally collect!||

i was holding off until i could get em all

and see how many i was missing

one! ah-ah-ah

two! (fucking somehow) ah-ah-ah

[inner fog]

Never had trouble with bench rosaries tbh, always had the pocket change or a necklace I could break

[autumn kettle]

three! ah-ah-ah

yeah same

and four!

ah fuck five

okay i missed five

not terrible though

[autumn kettle]

unfortunate, i'm rating silksong as like

10/10, easily top five games ever

can't say if it'll be top three until after the New Game Holy Shit Silksong Is Out high is over

[inner fog]

Yeah

[autumn kettle]

oh lmao

[dense grove]

repaer's quest is fun

[autumn kettle]

there we go

[hollow elm]

Seems more taxing for builds/fights that unload tools too, I've been running just one and nearly full all the time.

[autumn kettle]

yippee

these have been very fucking obvious

once i know they're there

and i feel very embarrassed

[inner fog]

I will say some of the runbacks are quite obnoxious, though I do appreciate and get what they’re trying to do by making you use hornets cool movement

[prisma pewter]

THERE IS A ||SUPPLY RUN FROM BELLHART TO THE MASK MAKER||

[severe swift]

I appreciate the advice but by god is he hard.

[inner fog]

the real stinkers I’d say are ||Moorwing, since it’s just running a flat plane|| and (act 2 spoilers) ||Groel in bilehaven, who sends you through a Poison Swamp™ and enemy arena||

[severe swift]

Like, as soon as he summons buddies I just cannot move anywhere and die

[hollow elm]

I've been using ||Sting Shard|| for that kind of situation, though I hold when it's just small enemies floating around.

[autumn kettle]

e x c u s e m e

[wanton bone]

I feel like if they go for the classic arena adjustments of removing the floor in the Hall of Gods Ascended version of ||Moorwing||, it will become the Markoth. But worse

[autumn kettle]

is it a quest or one of the random ones?

and how much does it give?

also, ough, missing two memory lockets and apparently an entire other fucking crest

i hope that one comes fully filled out

because otherwise i live in fear

of all the bullshit i will need to scour the world for

[inner fog]

which do you have?

[autumn kettle]

||reaper witch beast wanderer architect (hunter 3)||

do you have a different one?

or all of em

[prisma pewter]

quest + 360

[inner fog]

Nope, got all of those, only missing one locket though

[autumn kettle]

damn.

[inner fog]

could not for the life of me tell you where I found it

[autumn kettle]

the lockets i'm missing are gonna be fucked to find

because there are so many

so the checks will be really obnoxious

gotta wait for someone to have all of em on a map

[inner fog]

got the ||default ending||

[autumn kettle]

ooh

nice

[inner fog]

and now I’m tryna find tha true path

probably has to do with ||the soul I got from Groel|| and the priest guy in ||songhaven|| since he had unique dialogue for it

[brave flower]

this is the game of the year

[inner fog]

as well as bringing up hornet ||having seen the truth of the citadel||

[brave flower]

oh right

wheres the earliest ||crest|| i can get

[autumn kettle]

||500 geo simple key, wanderer's||

[brave flower]

where is it once i get the ||key||

[autumn kettle]

hm, okay, i'm actually stumped on this one

[autumn kettle]

||directly above bonebottom, due west||

[wanton bone]

Either have ||dash or pogo over the enemies to the left in the room above the bonebottom elevator, then go through the next room and explore.||

[autumn kettle]

||and then down once you're through it||

[inner fog]

what am I looking at? Might be able recognize it with context

[autumn kettle]

||this underworks section, looking for the flea||

can't figure out how to get down there

||i thought it might be using the giant platform to smash the saw blades, but that doesn't seem to be an available interaction||

||can't get the npc buddy to stop working, either||

||and i'm not seeing anywhere else i can go down from||

[inner fog]

||looks to me like they’re in some vents. Not sure I got this one?||

[autumn kettle]

they could be, for sure, i just dunno where i'd get in

[inner fog]

oh wait actually

I know this one

||they’re in a large room accessed from that vertical segment on the right||

[prisma pewter]

CHAPEL OF THE ||ARCHITECT|| ACQUIRED

[autumn kettle]

hell yeah

[autumn kettle]

fuck fr? thanks

[inland wave]

is there some way to rob the Pilgrim's Rest, I want to blind this bug

[autumn kettle]

do you know where to get to it?

[inner fog]

||Wait, maybe you access that section of the vertical room from the wisp thicket? I’m using a map online since I’m on phone||

[inland wave]

also very much underestimated ||Tacks||, didn't think they'd continue to exist after gettin hit

[autumn kettle]

because i haven't seen any breakables

or levers

||the wisp thicket?||

[inner fog]

it’s an area ||above greymoor||

[autumn kettle]

huh

never been there!

[inner fog]

mb, sorry for spoila

[autumn kettle]

no sweat, i wasn't aware there were more zones!

sick

[inner fog]

That’s what I kept thinking as I played lol

[autumn kettle]

time to start scouring again

[brazen steppe]

curious, since it's not mentioned in controller mapping:
what the hell does pressing R3 do? i do notice it taking silk, i do notice it giving i-frame, i do notice the whooshing silk does damage but like.... very low damage

[autumn kettle]

oh my god

[autumn kettle]

thanks for the hint!

[brazen steppe]

granted, i've only just unlocked silk thrust, so feel free to tell me to be patient and the game will tell me eventually

[autumn kettle]

as soon as you said that i knew exactly the fuck where to go

but good lord

||FUCKING PYROMANCERS?||

[inner fog]

hehe

[brazen steppe]

cause if it's intended as a parry... that's some weak-ass parry, what with how much startup it has and how little damage it does

[hollow elm]

I don't think R3 is default bound to anything, might be pressing another button like Bind?

[brazen steppe]

sec

[autumn kettle]

||HEY WHAT THE FUCK||

||THIS IS THE TREE OF MEN FROM S&S||

[autumn kettle]

this boss is kinda bullshit

[brazen steppe]

pretty long startup, takes a stance, waves silk around her, gives brief iframe (not shown, didn't time it right), and waving silk does damage on hit

[hollow elm]

Ah, I think that's bound to the Silk button then

[brazen steppe]

odd, controller binding screen indicates silk button is on RB, which i get silkspear when pressed

[autumn kettle]

OH FUCK NINE ISN'T THE LAST MASK?

christ

i'm missing four mask shards then

that's terrifying

[severe swift]

Aight I think I am done for now! I really enjoy the game but unlike Hollow Knight which I played very late (after tons of balance patches), this one needs a liiittle more time to balance I think.

[autumn kettle]

ah, come on, this doesn't ||halve the damage from the wisps?||

that makes me sad

and i went all the way back from ||the thicket to grab it, too||

[dense grove]

So I have ||the Reaper stance or whatever it's called, what does Wanderer do?||

[brave flower]

to my knowledge it ||gives you the old hollow knight down slash pogo instead of the wackass diagonal dive||

[dense grove]

ah

[safe yew]

been playing a while. feeling demoralized, which is a very bad sign when it comes to video games in my experience. (area just before citadel spoilers) ||i simply do not have the skill, patience, or motivation to traverse a third of the blasted steps every time i try to fight the last judge, considering how bad i am at fighting the bosses||. i will try hold out hope for a balance overhaul

[dense grove]

I honestly like ||Reaper so far, so idk if I am gonna end up switching||

[safe yew]

||also shrinks but speeds up regular slashes||

[autumn kettle]

oh this is really cool

hmmm.

@inner fog am i on the right track?

[hollow elm]

||In short: Faster, shorter swings, enables highly aggressive/mobile combat if you learn it's limits/capabilities.||

[severe swift]

I have never seen a reaction to a game like Silksong before. Normally people online are always about "Git Gud" but with Silksong even the people that enjoy it agree it's incredibly punishing.

[autumn kettle]

i fucking adore this game and want basically no changes out of it ngl

[hollow elm]

It's very worth exploring other parts of the map if an area especially feels like a wall, also.

[safe yew]

running out of areas to explore

[hollow elm]

I've noticed a rough runback is a common theme with some tougher encounters.

[autumn kettle]

aha, nevermind

[inner fog]

Oh yeah it’s that top bit that connects

[safe yew]

let's hope for a choice of difficulty then

[inner fog]

oh nvm lol

[prisma pewter]

where the fuck is the map for ||the slab||

[autumn kettle]

OH SHIT!

[autumn kettle]

||on a dude's back in one of the side rooms||

[hollow elm]

I've been steadily working through Silksong, but ough they really poured on the mustard with many bosses.

[inner fog]

||slab was cool||

[severe swift]

The thing is the Bosses arent that crazy hard or anything, it's just if you make a single mistake you're screwed lol.

[inner fog]

||naked raiden prison break segment was not on my bingo card for silksong||

[autumn kettle]

yeah i'm so fucking excited for the idea of juiced versions of the bosses

it'll be so cool

[wanton bone]

Yeah. A lot of double damage bosses feel like they punish super hard for messing up.

[inner fog]

can’t wait to see which boss(es) get the sisters of battle treatment

[autumn kettle]

i hope ||second sentinel|| is one

[wanton bone]

Particularly when contact damage leads into an attack, or similar.

[autumn kettle]

they were a bit of an underperformer

[wanton bone]

Both ||fourth chorus|| and ||moorwing have this at some points.||

[autumn kettle]

man, this is a conspicuous fucking jigsaw of a map

[hollow elm]

Hornet heals faster, but slower animations and double damage feels like an overall nerf before factoring in Crests.

[inner fog]

yo how’d you get that second wish?

[severe swift]

Also for the love of god, if you're going to make checkpoints require beads, at least let me GATHER BEADS from enemies!

[safe yew]

yeah, it feels more like you start with two and a half masks than five if i'd be honest

[inland wave]

orz ||Little Pilgrim||

[autumn kettle]

i genuinely have no idea

i've completed basically every wish i've gotten access to

happy to post the whole list

[hollow elm]

I've been stringing beads a lot when I'm not actively farming for something Right Now for that reason.

[inner fog]

It was from priest guy right?

[autumn kettle]

and i've done...quite a lot

yeah

this is my list of incomplete wishes

[inner fog]

Oh wait did you complete ||the songhaven delivery?||

[autumn kettle]

yeah

i think?

[inner fog]

Ok that’s the last wish I’m missing I think

[hollow elm]

Beads mostly from bipedal-ish enemies has been pushing me to get better at learning patterns, at least.

[autumn kettle]

hm, nope

i got one but never actually did it

and then it disappeared from my courier list

and i just got extra bonebottom deliveries

i did uhhh

three of em

to see if anything else would show up

but nothing did

[inner fog]

Huh

[autumn kettle]

i assume you got ||final audience and trail's end?||

[severe swift]

I think once I start playing this game again I'm just gonna spend an hour farming beads up to the maximum itll let me carry so I never ever have to worry about this again

[hollow elm]

I've found later area enemies downright dump beads on you, with the hard part being holding onto loose beads.

Very big emphasis on spending ASAP early on, or knowing a farming spot to have some strings for later.

[inner fog]

||Which one’s are those? Trail’s end is the shakra one right?||

[autumn kettle]

yep

||final audience is the second sentinel one||

[inner fog]

ah, don’t have that wish yet. Where does it start?

[autumn kettle]

yippee

[autumn kettle]

have you finished ||cogheart|| yet?

[inner fog]

oh also, how do you ||purchase flea locations?||

[inner fog]

finished it, don’t know where it goes

[autumn kettle]

||shove that into the robot in the secret room in cogwork core, the one right here||

(to the left of the bench)

||then you just have to find the robot at a couple locations in the citadel, dunno if they're randomized or specific||

||but i can point out mine||

[inner fog]

oh that would be handy

[autumn kettle]

have you successfully moved them to ||fleatopia?||

[inner fog]

Nope, guess I still gotta search

[autumn kettle]

are you missing fleas or the location?

[inner fog]

fleas

[autumn kettle]

can't help you with the former, but the latter is ||a pure lake in the putrified ducts||

rip

[inner fog]

Oh I think I know how to get there

[autumn kettle]

well, once you've gotten em there, there's also a ||secret warrior flea in the putrified ducts, who'll sell you the locations of fleas she's sniffed out as the collector's map equivalent||

[inner fog]

still got some paths unchecked

[autumn kettle]

i won't spoil the trick unless you give up, but it's a really fun secret

i'm super proud of getting as much as i have without help (although i'd probably have been gigafucked on ||sands of karak|| without aid)

and also ||bilewater||

on the other hand, i'm still missing two special fucking keys

which is really frustrating

dunno where they are

and four fucking mask shards, and 2+ memory lockets

rough

possibly at least one or two tools, though

you said you've cleared base ending, how much content is there past ||the spider god?||

[inner fog]

As I’ve been told, ||an act 3||

[autumn kettle]

wait, does normal ending not have that????

holy shit

[inner fog]

according to what I’ve read, ||you enter it after defeating the mother in the cradle after finishing that wish from the priest?||

[autumn kettle]

my god

[wanton bone]

God, the 112 run is going to be fucking hours.

(And in general, very excited to see what nonsense the speedrunner community comes up with.

[formal zenith]

so like
did i miss a ton of upgrades or something
because i'm at ||sister splinter|| without any extra masks and only ||1 crest and 1 skill|| unlocked
really did not enjoy ||moorwing|| and the stupid little ||twister minions|| are starting to sour me on this fight too

[hollow elm]

Initial exploration/routing is a lot harder than recognizing areas on return trips without a compass, which is a very nice change from Hollow Knight.

[hollow elm]

I had more by then, but I'm also exploring tons + enemy pogoing into unusual places.

[formal zenith]

it's been years since i played hollow knight but i don't remember struggling this much in that game until the endgame

[hollow elm]

For the fight ||Sting Shard helps a lot with fliers that don't get swatted by Sister Splinter's attacks.||.

Silksong essentially starts at Hollow Knight endgame and keeps going.

[formal zenith]

what's ||sting shard||? is that a tool? i only have ||straight pin||...

[hollow elm]

Combat Tool, available in ||Deep Docks, lower floors||.

Silksong doesn't stop you from running into encounters that may thrash you. Lets you decide for yourself when to keep going, or come back later for the most part.

[formal zenith]

hmmmm i feel like if i try to get to the nearest fast travel station i'm just gonna die somehow -_-

[safe yew]

i was at about the same progress level (more tools unlocked but i hardly use 'em anyway). the advice i can offer is ||1) attacking the minions from below is effective at staying out of their hitboxes and 2) the boss has friendly fire on, so some strategic positioning to have her incidentally smash 'em can be helpful||

[formal zenith]

||positioning close to the minions just feels like a death sentence, though||

also i'm not a fan of ||reaper crest||'s up-air, maybe i need to ||switch back|| for this fight

[safe yew]

||the play is to do it while they're higher up - the boss herself doesn't have any attacks that require aerial maneuvering||

[safe yew]

fwiw, i feel ya here

[autumn kettle]

you can really tell this was supposed to be endgame hollow knight dlc

[elfin ravine]

I do definitely feel Silksong is much harder than HK

[inland wave]

having 3 health for most of the game doesn't fucking help

Two Damage Simulator

[formal zenith]

yeah i don't really understand why everything does two damage

[safe yew]

it's a common complaint

[autumn kettle]

HOLY SHIT ACT 3

OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK

[hollow elm]

I get it for some boss attacks, but 2 damage on-contact is brutal.

[elfin ravine]

It does feel like almost every enemy has at least one two damage attack

[autumn kettle]

i'm mclosing it

[elfin ravine]

Since there's also the "combo" attacks now

That hit twice

[hollow elm]

I'm very sure the combo attacks are to snag players that parry the 1st hit.

Silksong parry/clash cancels out the entire attack on both sides, but follow-up attacks will still go through.