The Sixth Voice -A Third Party Homebrew LCP | Pilot NET | Page 7

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:34 PM

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some more game shattering LCP's like shadow of gehenna can result in that

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:35 PM

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I really want to like shadow of man aswell but there are a lot of questionable decisions. Maybe it's been updated a lot and is much more reasonable rn (was quite a while since I got it)

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:35 PM

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but we run IMI, castor & pollux, suldan, BDF, G&S, and enhanced combat, as well as the glorious, undisputed top dog of all homebrew, Fresitride

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:35 PM

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whats up with it?

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:35 PM

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I could join their thread if they have one but idk if I can be arsed

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:35 PM

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shadow of gehenna has some of the coolest shit and best ideas I've ever seen

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and it's all busted

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gamebreaking OP lol

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:36 PM

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what type of stuff

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:36 PM

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extra activations

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quick actions that do more damage than barrages and scale better than barrages

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a thrown 20 Sheavy melee that stuns people in areas and does assloads of damage

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:36 PM

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WHAT

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:36 PM

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lol

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I read the whole thing, lots of absolute banger ideas

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like 95% banger ideas

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95% overtuned too tho

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:38 PM

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Blood drinker NHP💔

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:38 PM

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blood drinker?

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:39 PM

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Yup there's a core power that is an in-built nhp that is basically sekhmet 2.0 and it's called that

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:41 PM

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It’s the kind of LCP that if you run; you’ll have a great time, but your players will only use stuff from it if they’re smart

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:41 PM

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oh my

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:41 PM

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So like if you want to play a lancer game that’s just at a higher power level, and is still well designed

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It’s great

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I really agree with a lot of its design

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:42 PM

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what do you mean by

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aggree with its design

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:42 PM

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I think the mechs and items that are introduced do unique things in fun ways

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But they’re too strong lol

misty lance Apr 22, 2026, 9:43 PM

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shadow of gehenna's big problem is that its "numbers" are inflated
mechanically it all works, and works well, it's just that they're really strong

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:45 PM

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Replying to this to have a point to go back to to keep reading, will delete this message lol

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:45 PM

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lmao your all fine

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:45 PM

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You don’t even use suldan? Or the masterfully designed freistride?

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:45 PM

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not in my games no

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:45 PM

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Ok Tbf suldan adds some genuine best in slots lmao

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Hi colony nexus

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:45 PM

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plus my main campaign is like, non lancer players ?

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:46 PM

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jolly gorge Ok Tbf suldan adds some genuine best in slots lmao

STRAIGHT up nelson erasure with the flight type

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Good riddance I say

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A Nelson that feels like a Nelson but is actually good

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:47 PM

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The only stuff that I feel very safe with running with rn is gms crisis catalogue lol

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:47 PM

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THE LCP WITH THE GMS SYSTEMS THAT IS JUST BLINK CHARGES BUT BETTER?

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The jam mine lol

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:47 PM

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I haven't actually used it, I might have to reread some stuff...

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I'm gm'ing my first proper campaugn rn

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:48 PM

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technically it’s different, blink mines jam and teleport, these mines jam and do 4 heat.

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:48 PM

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Have gm'd a 4 session thing before that, and played nada

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:49 PM

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jolly gorge *technically* it’s different, blink mines jam and teleport, these mines jam and ...

also they work in a blast 1, not targeted like blink mines

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every LCP including first party has some erasure to be fair

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 9:49 PM

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yeah some of the base game stuff is kinda

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bad

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:50 PM

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blink mines are cracked tho lol

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:50 PM

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Aw shucks seems I only have crisis catalogue on my computer, no wonder I haven't read through it too many times

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:50 PM

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this is not a slight to crisis catalogue's design, but it contains some of the most bipolar offerings ever

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:50 PM

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jolly gorge every LCP including first party has some erasure to be fair

Lannie vs Emperor💔

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:51 PM

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some systems/weapons are excellent, and some of them are SO BAD

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bad as in weak

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:51 PM

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Yeah I don't mind there being bad options since they don't ruin the license they're on by taking up space, you can just disregard them

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But if it has stuff that is straight up op then me no likey

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:52 PM

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well, first party does too

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:53 PM

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Yeah but I can't exactly ban first party stuff

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:53 PM

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well, the pattern-b shock charges, for the shock mine, are a bit overtuned

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the grenade is meh

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I still personally run it because unless they're an iskander mines are hard as hell to use anyways

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and it adds very very healthy additions to the game like Nexus (Apex Hunter)

finite wyvern Apr 22, 2026, 9:56 PM

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I really dont think so

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Honestly it might be because core mechs are a lil weak/undertuned

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Like the only thing I could think of is maybe Slaugh's constant OS regen but

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the number is just big, it's a fine trait

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The roster is definetly pretty well-tuned from what I am seeing, there are some notably strong things but nothing game-breaking

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 9:58 PM

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I believe most, if not all of the LCP, is below empakaii

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 9:59 PM

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I'm a little scared of the sheer self synergy of maiden's blush (which is the thing that brought me into this thread today actually)

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I definetly don't think there's anything super alarming it's just...

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:00 PM

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yeah maiden's blush is approaching immortality

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but hey empakaii has achieved immortality so

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:00 PM

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jolly gorge yeah maiden's blush is approaching immortality

it does very low damage for a striker to be fair

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the passive, where it gets damage from, is very unreliable

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:01 PM

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Very easy to get use out of abjuration of metal with the other things. Get a second use of variable sword (which also means second chance to impair/slow if you failed to do so on your turn)

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Main aux with rerollable variable sword and impair/slow on crit I don't even know if it's worse than a heavy even without a damage trait

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And then abjuration of metal is somewhat finnicky but also kinda just better than a damage trait

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Oh the mech "only" has 10 evasion that was the missing puzzle piece😅

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Makes abjuration slightly less guaranteed, much less once you get high agility

finite wyvern Apr 22, 2026, 10:04 PM

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jolly gorge I believe most, if not all of the LCP, is below empakaii

yes!

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:04 PM

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solid garden And then abjuration of metal is somewhat finnicky but also kinda just better tha...

I would argue it is more than somewhat finnicky, it is definitely outright more damage for sure, but it is really inconsistent

finite wyvern Apr 22, 2026, 10:04 PM

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Vanila has a bunch of overtuned stuff

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i think this is just compared to core which has been getting powercrepg

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:05 PM

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Honestly kinda a reason I'm hestitant towards maidens blush even if it's probably not stronger than the strongest core frames is because I really love mourning cloak😅

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And it's obv famously kinda underpowered

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:06 PM

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solid garden Honestly kinda a reason I'm hestitant towards maidens blush even if it's probabl...

Like my goat can't be completely overshadowed by its alt frame😔

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:08 PM

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well mourning cloak still has the JK2 synergy

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that can give it higher damage than maiden's blush

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:09 PM

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Ooo I never thought of that

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:09 PM

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Minimum LL5 lol but hey it’s there

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:10 PM

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JK2 is only limited 3 tho

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Idk how much a mourning cloak can afford to engimaxx (it does kinda need it anyway but also that sweet sweet 18 evasion... and hull is always needed ofc)

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:12 PM

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oh yeah mourning cloak's HASE is absolutely fucking cooked

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but hey, you know what, it's not as cooked as dusk wing

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:12 PM

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jolly gorge oh yeah mourning cloak's HASE is absolutely fucking cooked

That thing getting a hacking system in its license as the nail in the coffin💔

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:13 PM

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jolly gorge but hey, you know what, it's not as cooked as dusk wing

Atleast it has 8 edef so it can't be hacked by a potato

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:13 PM

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Well

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Potato’s have like a 70% success rate

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:16 PM

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Missed with +2 and +1 tech attacks against my player's white witch (no systems invest) 2 times within the first 3 rounds of my latest combat he's getting too much hubris thinking even tech can't hurt him😂

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Did get hit with a few fragsigs and just cheered as he entered nuccav territory😭

finite wyvern Apr 22, 2026, 10:28 PM

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solid garden And it's obv famously kinda underpowered

i think it works out because even if maiden's blush is technically stronger than MC, they still both have different niches and different playstyles

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there is a reason to play MC, blush is not MC 2

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it has a unique identity that plays around with intangibility rather than teelportaiton

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I am not a game design expert

solid garden Apr 22, 2026, 10:45 PM

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jolly gorge this is not a slight to crisis catalogue's design, but it contains some of the m...

Read through the stuff and obv I'm no balance expert and haven't playtested them but nothing looks that much stronger than first party gms stuff and very few things are outstandingly weak (ahem autocannon ahem)

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So yeah weapons are chill. Systems ig has 2 that could be a problem out of 4 so mb not incredible track record but whelp. Jam mine is as you said pretty damn strong but mines are annnoying so I'd treat my players to that for the effort. Micro maintenance suite, oh boy first infinite ally OS except invigorate and it's very potent with very little drawback hmmm...

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No more other lcp talk😅

rocky hawk Apr 22, 2026, 10:51 PM

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oh idc

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feel free

jolly gorge Apr 22, 2026, 10:53 PM

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finite wyvern i think it works out because even if maiden's blush is *technically* stronger th...

Im ngl they have a very similar playstyle lol

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teleporting melee assassin

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the maiden's blush tp's and goes invis, the mourning cloak just tp's

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but the maiden's blush doesnt get a bonus d6, its bonus damage is very very unreliable and rng dependant

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it is not MC 2, but it is MC Remaster that die hard fans dont like but anyone else would prefer

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and to be fair I did exactly that with the Clearwing

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I dont think there is much wrong with putting something in the game with similar vibes to something else that is just too weak to give the people who like that style soemthing actually good

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First party does it

unkempt iron Apr 23, 2026, 5:04 PM

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Im rotating a koremasa with a superthermal in my mind

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Kore 3, gilg 2, metalmark1 so you can have an insane brace in your back pocket

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Having supertherm and shuriken on the main/aux, sickle on the flex

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 5:06 PM

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jane heat

unkempt iron Apr 23, 2026, 5:06 PM

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Atp the only thing im struggling with is the HASE values

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Since it needs hull but running a kore without some systems and fragsigging people feels wrong

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Also like straight up isnt using entrap which is wrong

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» Lanny Matana // SHORT NOTICE «
Hacker, LL6
[ SKILL TRIGGERS ]
[ GEAR ]
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 3, Hunter 2,
Skirmisher 2, Hacker 1,
Duelist 1
[ LICENSES ]
HA Gilgamesh 2, HA Koremasa 3,
HORUS Balor 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
[ MECH ]
« LONG-WEARY SIGH »
HA Koremasa
H:3 A:0 S:3 E:2 SIZE:0.5
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEAT:10} REPAIR:5
ATK BONUS:3 TECH ATK:4 LTD BONUS:1
SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:11 SENS:5 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
INTEGRATED MOUNT: Fuel Rod Gun
Flex Mount: Rendwire Sickle (Juxtaposition Augments) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
Main/Aux Mount: Superthermal Blade / Fusionbleed shuriken
[ SYSTEMS ]
Scanner Swarm, Blinkblade Slice,
Phase Cloud, Armament Redundancy,
Makibishi Magnets

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I know horOS 1 would be better to nudge them into the magnet mine but oh well

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Honestly at ll 8, 2 levels in goblin could let you drop autostab for lesson of TTT

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 5:46 PM

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horus 1 is goated on koremasa for so many reasons

unkempt iron Apr 23, 2026, 5:58 PM

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Hmmm. Worth enough to drop balor 1 for goblin 1 at ll 6?

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 5:58 PM

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i mean, you get to use puppet sytsems with your tech attack so

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maybe?

unkempt iron Apr 23, 2026, 5:59 PM

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Part of the core of what I wanna build is the superthermal, otherwise I would drop gilg for goblin 2 and balor 1

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Because then open door is also an option for core bonus

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Idk there's a lot of fiddly bits to what im trying to do

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 9:09 PM

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rocky hawk plus my main campaign is like, non lancer players ?

i am RIGHT here

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 9:16 PM

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fuck you

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:32 PM

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still jasper i am RIGHT here

yeah and bela thinks ur ASS, LOCK IN

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 10:36 PM

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my goat thinks im washed 🥀

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:36 PM

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you did fine last combat

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but, sigo is a freak

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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lol

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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rocky hawk but, sigo is a freak

i've still never taken a structure as a player

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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theres no way that is true

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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it is true

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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im gonna make you participate in one of my playtests and im gonna hard focus you

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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we are in the presence of a true gamer

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:37 PM

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5 elite operators at ll4

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:38 PM

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jolly gorge i've still never taken a structure as a player

this isnt just like me having my buddies meat shield me, my team almost never does as well

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:38 PM

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rocky hawk 5 elite operators at ll4

I've fought worse

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:38 PM

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teir 2

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all pirates

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:38 PM

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mm

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might take a structure

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depends on the map

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:38 PM

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just the one

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i feel like youd hate my maps

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jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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jolly gorge depends on the map

and how badly I need to conserve overcharge ramp-up for sequential combat

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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jolly gorge and how badly I need to conserve overcharge ramp-up for sequential combat

not at all

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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rocky hawk

meh, this feels pretty reasonable actually

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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oh is that next weeks mission

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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no you did that one already

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you werent there

craggy hinge Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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Finally got around to looking at V2 today and damn, great work as always. Good ideas executed pretty well as far as I'm concerned. That said, I do have a handful of questions:

Are the Hazard's Weight of Fire trait and Statistical Compensator mod intended to give reliable to weapons that dont already have it?
I notice a lot of the on-hit and other similar triggered effects featured in V2 (at least) are broken up by commas instead of periods. Is this intended to make them simultaneous effects or are they meant to resolve in the order each effect is listed?
What is greenwash?
Is the Koremasa's Phase Cloud meant to create a burst 1 area? As its currently written it comes across (at least to me) as creating a blast 1 area of smoke around you, then you can teleport out of the soft cover you just made. Seems a little odd.

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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squints

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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still jasper oh is that next weeks mission

that was signalpoint dust, the first test combat

still jasper Apr 23, 2026, 10:39 PM

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ahhhh

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rhats the one i missed

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:40 PM

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craggy hinge Finally got around to looking at V2 today and *damn*, great work as always. Good...

yes, but now its non aux to prevent pistol spam
my grammer is AWFUL
nanites! but like, they dont eat anyone just themselves

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4.its blast in case you move to leave the smoke cloud, yeah it is werid you can leave immediately but its a smoke bomb so

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:42 PM

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jolly gorge i've still never taken a structure as a player

actually no, I did take some structures, the fight had gone on for ages, I was bored, and decided to kamikaze my mech to end it quickly

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:42 PM

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based

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:42 PM

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I could've stalled an extra round and not taken any structures tho

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:43 PM

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jolly gorge actually no, I did take some structures, the fight had gone on for ages, I was b...

sometimes my group fights actual lancers, cuz it can be fun, and we were fighting a white witch that was all invested into bulk, and it kept NOT getting exposed when we stressed it, so I just dove to finish it

craggy hinge Apr 23, 2026, 10:44 PM

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rocky hawk 1. yes, but now its non aux to prevent pistol spam 2. my grammer is AWFUL 3. nan...

As for 1, it might be a good idea to clarify that its intended to give reliable to weapons that dont already have it. Vanilla Lancer explicitly cannot give increases to things that dont already have it (like how ExBatt cant give a range increase to pattern weapons). Having that cleared up RAW wouldnt hurt.

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:45 PM

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"All weapons mounted on the Hazard and adjacent allied mechs increase their Reliable by 1/2 Grit, or gain that same amount if they do not have the Reliable tag."

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just add the last bit and it works

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:46 PM

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jolly gorge "All weapons mounted on the Hazard and adjacent allied mechs increase their Reli...

this is an old version that lacks the no-aux clause, but it prob still works to add the last bit

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:47 PM

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rocky hawk based

bela when are you gonna read FC

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well, the not 1.0 FC lol

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ik you read that

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unfortunately lol

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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jolly gorge bela when are you gonna read FC

ill see if cant do that tonight

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doing some session prep rn

craggy hinge Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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craggy hinge As for 1, it might be a good idea to clarify that its intended to give reliable ...

And typing this out has made me realize Ive made the same mistake in my own homebrew lmao

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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but ill pop into the thread

craggy hinge Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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Something something those in glass houses

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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twice the effectiveness of the stones

craggy hinge Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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Lol

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:48 PM

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craggy hinge Something something those in glass houses

if you dont live in a glass house then you'll never know just how effective stones are

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god bela your mechs really need to keep their word count down

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v3 has made this so much more hostile to the eyes LMAO

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I really might just seperate it into two traits for readability

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:50 PM

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rocky hawk doing some session prep rn

I should do that too

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one of my players is being mind controlled by a bisexual woman, so our game is on hold

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I gotta lock in and take this time to get ahead on prep

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:51 PM

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jolly gorge one of my players is being mind controlled by a bisexual woman, so our game is o...

???????

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i mean sort of me too

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:51 PM

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many such cases....

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he's into goth women

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which, valid

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but this means he will do anything for a bisexual alt woman

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idk I think he's in the desert or some shit

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he joins vc like once a week telling us to read some dogshit manhwa

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:53 PM

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jolly gorge god bela your mechs really need to keep their word count down

good god

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i really gotta check out freistride

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:53 PM

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IVY DEADLOCK?

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:53 PM

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ivy deadlock

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:54 PM

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my hero

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not sure if the ivy pfp means you're an absolute freak or a well adjusted individual

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could really go either way

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:55 PM

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i do not think i could be accurately described as well adjusted

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:55 PM

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echo shard stone form?

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if you DONT build that you're well adjusted

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:56 PM

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i must tell you a secret

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:56 PM

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wary topaz i really gotta check out freistride

yeeees

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:56 PM

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i don't really play ivy much

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i main vyper

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:56 PM

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TYPICAL DEADLOCK PLAYER

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:56 PM

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i just like her design a lot

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:56 PM

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wary topaz i main vyper

oh so you're a FREAK freak

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:57 PM

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jolly gorge TYPICAL DEADLOCK PLAYER

I cant talk I had a rem PFP for a while and I main silver

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he's just so cute

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:57 PM

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wary topaz ivy deadlock

IVY DEADLOCK

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:57 PM

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bela what's ur main

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:57 PM

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jolly gorge oh so you're a FREAK freak

instant clock

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celeste, ivy, paige

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:58 PM

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celeste

are you perchance a trans woman?

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:58 PM

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...

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man

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i mean

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its not that you are wrong but

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 10:58 PM

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WITHOUT EXCEPTION LMAO

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:58 PM

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FUCK YOU

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i have the most games on paige though

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 10:59 PM

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i am yet to meet a celeste main that isnt a tgirl

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 10:59 PM

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not by many i dont think though

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:00 PM

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wary topaz i am yet to meet a celeste main that isnt a tgirl

especially if they're decently high rank

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:00 PM

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what about you

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you seem like a mirage player

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:00 PM

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jolly gorge especially if they're decently high rank

I'm in phantom and every celeste is trans

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movement character

the transbians YEARN for the movement character

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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im only like ritualist 5

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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jolly gorge >movement character the transbians YEARN for the movement character

yeah...

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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rocky hawk what about you

silver

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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jolly gorge silver

well I mained seven for a long time

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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thats also a transfem character

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you would be a 7 main

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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I FUCKING LOVE SEVEN

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:01 PM

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thats why you are in phantom

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and i play paige and get rolled because the carry has 1 kill

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:02 PM

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Im not particularly good at playing a carry, like I want to run around beating the shit out of people, not farming, so I dont play seven anymore, but I love his lore

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I WILL REACH APOTHEOSIS

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:02 PM

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hes so evil i love it

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:02 PM

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i'm a big fan of the run at people and shoot them strategy on vyper

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:02 PM

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run?

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on viper?

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:03 PM

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jolly gorge Im not particularly *good* at playing a carry, like I want to run around beating...

I switched to silver and now have 200 games on her, climbed from archon to phantom with her, 70% win rate, something about just fucking one shotting people with a shotgun works for me

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:04 PM

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wary topaz i'm a big fan of the run at people and shoot them strategy on vyper

I'm a big fan of not vyper

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I hate laning against her lol

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late game whatever just buy metalskin, but when her venom does like 1/3 of my health at 4 mins in

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:05 PM

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rocky hawk thats also a transfem character

also I thought silver was just a lesbian character

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I thought that was the stereotype

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:05 PM

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jolly gorge also I thought silver was just a lesbian character

i mean, the overlap is big

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:05 PM

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two of the transfems in my group main silver

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:06 PM

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yep

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sounds right to me

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:06 PM

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if I see an egg emoji

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to be fair, transfem people are just attracted to valve games like moths to a flame

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I think you'll find a massive population of transfem people playing just about anyone

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:07 PM

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jolly gorge to be fair, transfem people are just attracted to valve games like moths to a fl...

except CS

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:07 PM

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no that one too

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:08 PM

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I figured the homophobic europeans on CS would push them away

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:08 PM

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you'd think

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but a lot of the cs tgirls are like

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just as bad

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:08 PM

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just ALSO homophobic lmao

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:09 PM

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tgirl radicals are supprisingly common

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4 chan

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:09 PM

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this is my interepretation of Horus

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:09 PM

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Horus is probably at least woker

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:09 PM

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rocky hawk 4 chan

transphobic trans people are almost all like, 10 times more vitriolic and cruel than transphobic cis people

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:09 PM

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rocky hawk Horus is probably at least woker

but like hateful woke

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:10 PM

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id like to think its an oxymoron

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:10 PM

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the kind of woke that is not actually more accepting, just accepting to different groups

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:10 PM

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true wokeness is acceptance

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:10 PM

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i've been on /lgbt/ on 4chan like twice and oh my god it is the most miserable place i've ever been

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:10 PM

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yeah

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:10 PM

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jolly gorge the kind of woke that is not actually more accepting, just accepting to differen...

like 4chan lol

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I just dont think you make the balor if you're not fucked in the head

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the only person that could make the balor is a some turbo-evil psychopath that's just also a gay hacker furry

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:16 PM

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jolly gorge I just dont think you make the balor if you're not fucked in the head

or the manticore...

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:16 PM

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yeah.

dense cedar Apr 23, 2026, 11:16 PM

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Bela could you expand on greenwash?
I saw the 4 bullet point conversation earlier and was a bit confused by your explanation of greenwash based on what I thought I knew

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:18 PM

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rocky hawk yeah.

well, actually, I suppose manticore is more like extreme religious belief, which is probably less abject evil than melting people alive with angry bees, especially since the person getting in the manticore is choosing to do that lol

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vaporizing yourself in the name of your god is probably less evil than melting people alive

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:19 PM

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dense cedar Bela could you expand on greenwash? I saw the 4 bullet point conversation earlie...

its tiny little nanites that instead of eating things, they are used to build or reinforce things

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they are very good at protecting/ reinforcing allies

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:19 PM

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SIVA?

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:19 PM

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but need to be combod with greywash to be hostile\

dense cedar Apr 23, 2026, 11:19 PM

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jolly gorge SIVA?

holy shit

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:19 PM

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siva?

dense cedar Apr 23, 2026, 11:19 PM

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youre onto something

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https://tenor.com/view/destiny-siva-logo-gif-15483131

Tenor

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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rocky hawk siva?

nanites that are used to build shit really quickly

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exactly what you are describing

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fill holes in a mech chassis

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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they can be used for that

dense cedar Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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jolly gorge nanites that are used to build shit really quickly

hahaha
what a horrible simplification
(joke, pls no take offense)

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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nanites that are used as basically smart mass, fill holes in a mech chassis, snuff out fire by covering it, etc.

dense cedar Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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We used them on people

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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but they do more than just repairs, they also can connect to hostile mechs and then relay signals

dense cedar Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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And then they used people.

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:20 PM

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dense cedar We used them on people

well of course you had to do it

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you gotta do it at LEAST once

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otherwise how would you know that they're harmful

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also outbreak worked REALLY well on galhran and caretaker so like, you win some you lose some

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:23 PM

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rocky hawk but they do more than just repairs, they also can connect to hostile mechs and t...

guh

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how do they do this

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:28 PM

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they build tiny little trackers

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its how the lock on works for the naga

jolly gorge Apr 23, 2026, 11:29 PM

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ah ok

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:37 PM

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-- IPS-N Fitzgerald  @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Fitzgerald  2, IPS-N Drake 3, IPS-N Hazard 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Superheavy Mounting, Reinforced Frame
[ TALENTS ]
  Vanguard 3, Siege Specialist 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:24 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-2 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:10 EDEF:6 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: BIZARRE CANNON
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  Main Mount: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Personalizations, Armament Redundancy, Turret Drones x5, Emergency Armature  x4, Aegis Shield Generator x3, Custom Paint Job```
this is a quite bad build, but

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oh wait a second

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:37 PM

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wait, whats the superehavy for

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:37 PM

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i don't think its showing up right

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:37 PM

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LEVIATHAN

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YESSSSS

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:37 PM

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it has the leviathan

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indeed

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:38 PM

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it is a cannon

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good heat investment

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i think it would actually do pretty good

wary topaz Apr 23, 2026, 11:38 PM

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huh

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i had figured it wouldn't pair the best with knock em down

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given that wants you hitting more characters

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as opposed to just like

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obliterating some pour soul

rocky hawk Apr 23, 2026, 11:43 PM

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maybe not, but like, you still get to ignore cover

craggy hinge Apr 24, 2026, 12:11 AM

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I rlly like the Panic Breaker

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I yearn to play an ammomancer whose only spell is transmute to corpse

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https://tenor.com/view/kek-gif-20361267

Tenor

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 12:12 AM

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love me a panic breaker

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its so nuts

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 12:17 AM

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rocky hawk maybe not, but like, you still get to ignore cover

WOW bela did you even read your own lcp

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 12:18 AM

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i meant los

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 12:18 AM

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lol it's a little scuffed to put difficulties on the weapon type that is fundamentally "this really has to fucking hit" (sheavies)

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 12:18 AM

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whatever

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im tired

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 12:18 AM

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jolly gorge lol it's a little scuffed to put difficulties on the weapon type that is fundame...

to be fair if it does hit that would be fucked up

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getting blasted by a siege cannon through a wall from someone who didnt waste LL's on balor would be incredible ragebait

potent robin Apr 24, 2026, 3:15 AM

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hey long time listener first time caller, is the M/K2 suppoused to have 6 repair cap?

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 3:17 AM

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yes! its meant to have slightly more so you can stabilize more often with it

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cause its all about the loading weapons

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its got awful system points to compinsate

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some of the stats are liable to be tweaked though

potent robin Apr 24, 2026, 3:43 AM

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Oh sick yeah I didn't even consider that synergy. I have to say your frames are probably my favorite of all the third party content I've read so far so props to you very cool stuff

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 3:43 AM

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that means a lot! did you have any particular favorites?

potent robin Apr 24, 2026, 4:00 AM

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hard choice, I love the raksasha and the options you get with mask of many faces, I know my players would spend a long time trying to pick the best one for the situation. But the Koremasa is just pure aura and the fantasy of being a mech that is like jockying another mech is so flavorful and cool

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 4:00 AM

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lassissian folly my beloved

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 5:42 PM

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how the koremasa playstyle should look like? you kinda try to keep yourself far from the enemy while heating them up and when they are close to being exposed you engage and finish them off?

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 5:43 PM

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you can absoultely do it like that, but you can honestly manage even when fairly close due to your high evasion

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 5:45 PM

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8 eva on basis does not look like a lot, but i guess with a free soft cover you indeed can dodge attacks

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 5:45 PM

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its been updated!

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its now 10 evasion, no armor, and difficulty not cover

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 5:46 PM

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oh I see

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yeah it looks better

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 5:47 PM

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makes it much easier to be dodgy front liner and fits the ninja theme better

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 5:51 PM

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sensors arent exactly the best but as I can see it definetly is able to hack

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with the entrap too

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and the fact that fragment signal because of pankrati 1 is really good on here so with both of the traits you can nonchalantly apply 4 heat with shurikens and 3 with traits and 2 with basic invade - like 9 heat because you can heatmax

rocky hawk Apr 24, 2026, 5:54 PM

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shurikens are really good if you hit the ricochette but are technically worse than frag sig without it

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the hope is to force good possitioning

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 5:56 PM

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...yeah if you do not believe in ricochet lancaster's cutters look as a better option

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i am just looking for nice 1/2 striker controller variants (exactly 1/2, i want my pilot to get hands to hands with enemy mechs), and koremasa seems like a nice choice

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 6:04 PM

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lusty steppe i am just looking for nice 1/2 striker controller variants (exactly 1/2, i want ...

sumatra from IMI might be worth looking at as well

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sumatra does control via overwatching and prepared actions, different from kormeasa's E-war

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 6:05 PM

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oh mosquito: the mech

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 6:05 PM

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shinatobe NHP is fucking bonkers

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 6:06 PM

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yeah i remember it

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fnuuy

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 6:07 PM

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lusty steppe i am just looking for nice 1/2 striker controller variants (exactly 1/2, i want ...

erinyes from thy hubris manifest as well

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akrafena from BDF

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 6:21 PM

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akrafena looks silly

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 6:27 PM

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crotch towards the enemy

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 6:41 PM

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fourth weapon

kindred prairie Apr 24, 2026, 7:23 PM

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a bit of a sidestep but Sigo, what is your evaluation of the IMI roster power level?

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 8:25 PM

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kindred prairie a bit of a sidestep but Sigo, what is your evaluation of the IMI roster power le...

generally very very reasonable, with the exception of coromuel, which is overtuned about as much as empakaii is

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cracked base stats, good traits, and then it gets a main/aux heavy

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and the hypergolic lance is broken

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shinatobe is probably overtuned but in like a cool and interesting way

unkempt iron Apr 24, 2026, 8:45 PM

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-- HORUS Salamander @ LL12 --
[ LICENSES ]
HORUS Kobold 3, IPS-N Fitzgerald 3, HA Sherman 2, HORUS Goblin 3, HORUS Balor 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Sloped Plating, Overpower Caliber, The Lesson of the Open Door, The Lesson of the Held Image
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 3, Walking Armory 3, Brutal 2, Grease Monkey 2, Black Thumb 2, Siege Specialist 2, Hacker 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:6 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:22 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:+7 LIMITED:+2
SPD:4 EVA:7 EDEF:16 SENSE:8 SAVE:19
[ WEAPONS ]
Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
Main Mount: Slag Cannon (RIPPER MOD) // Overpower Caliber
Flex Mount: Rapier Class Carronade
[ SYSTEMS ]
Purifying Code, IMMOLATE, Redundant Systems Upgrade x3, OSIRIS-Class NHP, H0R_OS System Upgrade I, Scanner Swarm

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I realized how insane the fitz weapons and systems can be with a salamander and threw together this beast

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By ll6 you can have the core of what you need from fitz 3 kobold 3, the other 6 levels were just me playing with toys

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Puke out nine billion fireballs, move them in a line, and use the carronade to make them all go pop

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And on your core power go turn, you can blow a bunch up, lay more, and OC to fire a souped up slag cannon to try and surround a target such that they have no way out without going kaboom

kindred prairie Apr 24, 2026, 8:49 PM

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jolly gorge generally very very reasonable, with the exception of coromuel, which is overtun...

great I was scare that de facto flying would skew the powerlevel toward really overpowered

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 8:49 PM

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the vast majority of the mechs pay the price that they should

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and only the dusk wing actually pays a price for hover flight in first party, taraxacum doesnt pay shit

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 8:54 PM

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jolly gorge the vast majority of the mechs pay the price that they should

a strong trait is usually about as strong as a core bonus, so inherent flight isn't massively hard to balance around, since all-theater is a core bonus, so giving the mech flight is highly similar in power to like, giving a main/aux striker a bonus d6

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and, very notably, exactly one mech in IMI gets a bonus d6 (ostria), and it gets a weaker flight as well as a bonus d6 that is just worse than atlas'

kindred prairie Apr 24, 2026, 9:08 PM

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A good trait isn't hard to balance, that doesn't imply that it'll get factored into it (or the author of the content want his material to be about as powerful as official content)
I like the hb I collect to be balanced, I feel its a mark of good design and help retain what makes Lancer so interesting, mechmaking. That's why I'm really interested in 6th voice to be balanced. The mech are cool and interesting and I'd would like for them to be useable

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 9:11 PM

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that's fair, but yes, I do believe the power granted by the flight was factored in

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IMI does have a funny thing that it adds to the game, and it isnt in IMI, it's part of the lcp tho. The barb alt, tritton, with its core power indirectly buffs the silly team comp of amber phantom spam

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if you have 5 players, 4 amber phantoms + 1 tritton, at ll6+, the gm would have to massively skew the combat in the enemy's favor in order to have a single NPC survive past the onslaught of player turns

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my buddy and I made a team comp that does like 250-300 damage spread around to the enemy team before a single hostile goes

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 9:15 PM

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jolly gorge my buddy and I made a team comp that does like 250-300 damage spread around to t...

I think average was >300

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 9:18 PM

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jolly gorge I think average was >300

average health pool of a 5 npc combat @T3 is like 100

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lol

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 10:45 PM

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jolly gorge IMI *does* have a funny thing that it adds to the game, and it isnt in IMI, it's...

hmmm how so?

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 10:49 PM

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well, with amber phantom core power looping, you can have everyone go all at once, but with tritton's core power, it can have someone barrage again, so with 5 players you can get 7 barrages before a single enemy goes

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amber phantom core power looping only allows for 5 barrages in 5 players

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 10:49 PM

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damn.

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yeah thats total annihilation

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 10:50 PM

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at high levels have every person take asura

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and then take unicomp so that we reset our heat at the beginning of this loop, so it doesnt matter if the GM gave you a rest or not, you're starting the next fight fresh.

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every core power that is looped is efficienct, so this can be done every single fight

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and since we're all amber phantoms, we are fast, and since we're using asura we have a spare quick after the barrage + skirmish, so boosting is an easy thing to do

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there really is no escape

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 10:55 PM

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if some fuckass is 30 tiles away from you there is yet tritton and siege cannon

jolly gorge Apr 24, 2026, 10:56 PM

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and it's not like we explode instantly if we don't do this round 1, we can take round 1 to prep and get into position and then do it round 2

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it is an evil strategy

lusty steppe Apr 24, 2026, 10:56 PM

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i would call it nefarious

dense cedar Apr 25, 2026, 12:52 AM

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jolly gorge crotch towards the enemy

what art is that?

jolly gorge Apr 25, 2026, 1:00 AM

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BDF akrafena

dense cedar Apr 25, 2026, 3:46 AM

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thanks

rapid zealot Apr 26, 2026, 10:49 AM

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I looked at the Naga and really like it

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Wondering like, what it does, it looks like it wants to lock on a lot and consume it

finite wyvern Apr 26, 2026, 1:54 PM

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rapid zealot Wondering like, what it does, it looks like it wants to lock on a lot and consum...

yes

rocky hawk Apr 26, 2026, 4:13 PM

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rapid zealot Wondering like, what it does, it looks like it wants to lock on a lot and consum...

It can be build as a pure support just throwing out tech actions and lock ons or can be a hybrid striker that utilizes it's extra mobility to stay in midrange

finite wyvern Apr 26, 2026, 9:27 PM

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The vanilla build from what I am seeing is definetly a hybrid striker support as its name suggests

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Usually an offensive support via as Bella said the lcok on, stuff like the greenwash swarm

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the invade suite

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Pure suport is possible but this frame definetly wants to be leveraging its heavy moutn and enhanced mobility

unkempt iron Apr 26, 2026, 10:32 PM

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im rotating the concept of an enkidu with a superheavy mounted eternity hammer and the whole primrose kit in my mind

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the leap proning people for pankrati

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overkill keeping you in the danger zone

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yum

fierce arrow Apr 27, 2026, 6:42 AM

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I did want to add to this conversation before I posted and realized all too late that I had (more literally than usual) failed to read the room, so I'm adding my thoughts now:
I was thinking about how a relationship with an OSIRIS class would work. One big aspect is that they view their pilots as witnesses rather than equals, so obviously the first instinctual response in the corner chair, but I don't think that that actually works when you consider that it would still require someone that OSIRIS considers an equal. I don't believe that OSIRIS considers the pilot to be specifically below them, rather I believe that they consider themselves above all others. Therefore, a witness to something that has no equal. Adam Sandler said it best:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ9m86JvxFc&t=54s

YouTube

kakashidude1

At a Medium Pace - Adam Sandler

From the album They're all Gonna Laugh at You!

▶ Play video

wary topaz Apr 27, 2026, 10:58 AM

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fidget spinner

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 11:59 AM

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Leoleth has a strange stat spread it's so funny

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 11:59 AM

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fierce arrow I did want to add to this conversation before I posted and realized all too late...

Nhp personalities are so interesting to me, especially when they are cascading

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I have sort of cannon cascade patterns for The Morrigan, Bridget and jorg but I wasn't really able to fit them in the compendiums

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But aster asked about jorg the other day

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Jorg just fucking kills you as fast as it can

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The idea is that if it realizes that all the memories implanted in it are fake and that it's your fault it just wants you dead immediately

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On the other side of that Bridget is incapable of violence and even when cascading views the pilot as it's top priority to take care of

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Just goes from helpful to full on helicopter mom

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I wanted The Morrigan to try and make geometric formations (triangles in particular) and have that be in the compendium but weird horus lore is more fun

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And god forbid I actually explain anything about the sluagh

real prawn Apr 27, 2026, 12:51 PM

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Sadly, I can't search Forums on Discord's mobile app, and this is probably a question that was asked before, but Trajectory Arc Mapper isn't supposed to include melee weapons, right?

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 12:51 PM

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Nope

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They don't have a range

real prawn Apr 27, 2026, 12:52 PM

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Aight, thanks.

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Also this is the nitpickiest nitpick but you might want to find a wording or way to put that information more explicitly, maybe write the "range" part in bold, cause it's easy to not think too hard about it and just go "Ah, this works for melee weapons."

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 12:55 PM

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I'll check the official syntax for range when I get home

real prawn Apr 27, 2026, 12:58 PM

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Oh yeah, range is written with a capital R in first party books.

craggy hinge Apr 27, 2026, 1:19 PM

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If memory serves I think exbatts spells it in all caps or says something weird like “ranged weapons with RANGE”

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 1:19 PM

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Yrp

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Sure does

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I'll update that

unkempt iron Apr 27, 2026, 1:55 PM

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Oh damn that also wouldnt work for pattern weapons then huh

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 1:55 PM

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Nope

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It's low cost is offset by its lack of any sort of flexibility

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You will use a ranged weapon

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You will stand exactly where it wants you to

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You will miss anyway with 3 accuracy

unkempt iron Apr 27, 2026, 1:59 PM

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I guess the standard loop will be shredder, trait teleport and skirmisher 2, other quick action, overcharge and skirmish with blink bolt

rocky hawk Apr 27, 2026, 2:00 PM

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It's the general idea but you can sub the shredder for more bolts if they don't have armor

wintry imp Apr 28, 2026, 9:35 PM

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okay so there isn't a way to get both the superheavies from primrose equipped at the same time, right?

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 9:35 PM

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no

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its meant to be a choice between damage and utility

wintry imp Apr 28, 2026, 10:12 PM

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Aaaah

unkempt iron Apr 28, 2026, 10:17 PM

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Barraging with 4 crossbows seems silly

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With HEM that could get spicy

unkempt iron Apr 28, 2026, 10:53 PM

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I need lancer custom werks for 3rd party stuff, I need people with more brain cells than me to feed me ideas

gloomy lotus Apr 28, 2026, 10:58 PM

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unkempt iron I need lancer custom werks for 3rd party stuff, I need people with more brain ce...

Combine Leoleth and Blackbeard LLs. Use Sluagh and emperor. Use swallowtail on Rakshasa

unkempt iron Apr 28, 2026, 11:18 PM

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gloomy lotus Combine Leoleth and Blackbeard LLs. Use Sluagh and emperor. Use swallowtail on R...

Swallowtail rakshasa is a crazy pull

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Would not have put that together

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For Kore my only two things I am thinking of to mush together is Gilg for superthermal heat gunning shenanigans

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Idk what I would throw in there for a more invade-centric build

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I am now making heart eyes at slaugh a little more

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:28 PM

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sluagh my beloved

unkempt iron Apr 28, 2026, 11:33 PM

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No clarification on actual design or function, just vibes and offputting ramblings. Just the way mama likes it

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More freaky horus shit please

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:36 PM

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gloomy lotus Combine Leoleth and Blackbeard LLs. Use Sluagh and emperor. Use swallowtail on R...

wait slaugh and emperor?

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overshield really really does not stack well

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you'll just be overwriting the sluagh's special shields

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:37 PM

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yeah but if you have like 10 overshield you can swarm it to someone and then just regain it with bow

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:37 PM

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oh you mean emperor with sluagh systems

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I thought they meant sluagh with emperor systems

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cuz ye sluagh does not like that

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:37 PM

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i mean its not awful just cause emp systems are pretty good

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:38 PM

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I mean yeah

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but sluagh in particular does not like it more than any other support

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likes it a bit less

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:39 PM

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yeah

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:39 PM

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also crown says the damage cannot be "prevented", should that say reduced?

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since damage "prevention" is not really a defined term

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I understand you may want it to pen immunity, but you can just say it does

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:40 PM

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eh thats a pain to specify though

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:41 PM

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I think it is much better than using a new word that is not defined

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:41 PM

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only if it didnt change it mechanically

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but immunity isnt reuction or whatever it is

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:41 PM

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"This damage cannot be prevented in any way"
turns to
"This damage cannot be reduced in any way, and bypasses Immunity."

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literally 3 more words

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and removes any ambiguity

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uses exclusively core words

rocky hawk Apr 28, 2026, 11:42 PM

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we'll see

jolly gorge Apr 28, 2026, 11:42 PM

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presumably it is intended to not be able to be reduced right?

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a lycan or manticore cnanot use this to keep half of their OS

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you can always just have it say you clear all overshield

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that is also wording with precedent

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but that does have a very slight gameplay modification

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also swallowtail on rakshasa?

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I may be stupid, but retractable profile is all I see that synergizes

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since none of swallowtail's scans are actually scans, and do not work with ensorcel

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:20 AM

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unkempt iron I need lancer custom werks for 3rd party stuff, I need people with more brain ce...

kind of dubious, but an interpretation can be made to have primrose' prone work retroactively on a combat drill attack

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which makes primrose the only mech in the game that could technically use drill's passive with zero prep of any kind

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relies on a crit and hull save but like it does give you drill passive with no prep

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:25 AM

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unkempt iron Idk what I would throw in there for a more invade-centric build

koremasa can use puppet systems to force people to provoke its own superthermal main/aux overwatch

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well you can put anything on the main/aux, but one of the best ways to make koremasa invade centric is by having its invades help it finish people who are exposed off

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:33 AM

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jolly gorge koremasa can use puppet systems to force people to provoke its own superthermal ...

avoid the flex mount like the plague and skirmish puppet systems overwatch OC skirmish for triple main/aux

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if you play with suldan you can also swing it again with blade dancer

unkempt iron Apr 29, 2026, 12:54 AM

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jolly gorge avoid the flex mount like the plague and skirmish puppet systems overwatch OC sk...

This is worth using over entrap?

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:54 AM

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depends on the hostile's current heat

unkempt iron Apr 29, 2026, 12:55 AM

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And yeah I figured an op cal superthermal with a shuriken on a main aux is pretty lethal

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For heatgunning

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:55 AM

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if they're already exposed, or they will be without the +2 heat, it is the most damage you will get

unkempt iron Apr 29, 2026, 12:55 AM

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Ok that makes sense

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:55 AM

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it's kinda a bosskilling setup tbf

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but also tbf, that's what any heatgunning setup is at heart

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you can just oneshot a mf with 18 hp it is not that hard

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if they got 100 tho, exposure becomes REAL appealing

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:57 AM

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unkempt iron Ok that makes sense

+, it's extremely minimal investment, it is 2 sp, 1 LL, and also like, the strongest general use invade in the game

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so even if you arent using it to overwatch, eject power cores is like the best invade in the game 70% of the time

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if you ever wanna invest more into e-war jus take horos 1 you WILL use it

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 12:58 AM

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jolly gorge +, it's extremely minimal investment, it is 2 sp, 1 LL, and also like, the stron...

also, since we're already here with taking goblin 1, autopod is a seriously good choice to put on the flex

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we lose the ability to barrage but ultimately barraging is not something we ever want to do, and the situation in which we do want to barrage, puppet systems gives us an objectively superior version

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goblin 1 really is goblin 1

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and gives us a reason to use the kinda otherwise useless blinkblade slice

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 1:01 AM

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blinkblade is kinda bad yeah

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but its FUNNY

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 1:02 AM

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it's not that bad

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but why can't it be 2 SP lol

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like it has the limited pacer, it isnt even that strong

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If you want to keep it 3 sp and limited 3, I would make it faster, move more spaces

unkempt iron Apr 29, 2026, 1:03 AM

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I think its funny and my player who's running it for maximum Vergil DMC weebery will love it

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 1:03 AM

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jolly gorge If you want to keep it 3 sp and limited 3, I would make it faster, move more spa...

double speed is honestly reasonable for this cost

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maybe add a slight heat cost for double speed but 3 sp + limited is a fat cost

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 1:05 AM

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jolly gorge double speed is *honestly* reasonable for this cost

quick, limited 3, line 18 (with speed invest on a base 6), for hull save or 3 + lock-on

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that is probably pushing too strong, but you can give it a heat cost

wintry imp Apr 29, 2026, 6:51 AM

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unkempt iron I need lancer custom werks for 3rd party stuff, I need people with more brain ce...

Please I need this

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 6:56 AM

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jolly gorge overshield really really does not stack well

It’s about having any overshield, not good overshield

orchid rampart Apr 29, 2026, 10:17 AM

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Hey sorry if I missed a post about this or I'm not using an up-to-date LCP, but I was looking at the Primrose's Rend Axe and it's a limited 3 weapon but I'm not seeing an effect to switch profiles or additional on-hit effect. Am I missing something?

lusty steppe Apr 29, 2026, 10:23 AM

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There should be an additional text which tells you funny way to spend limiteds on the weapon

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Not exactly sure, but either to attack with axe as a protocol or free action, smth of that

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 10:24 AM

#

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No idea why yours is bugged

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Id recommend deleting and redownloading in case it's a comp con issue

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If it persists lemme know and I'll double check

orchid rampart Apr 29, 2026, 10:26 AM

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will do, thanks for the help

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:04 PM

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rocky hawk

chaniaxe is in chambles

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:)

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:08 PM

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Other than 2 reliable, 1.5 average damage

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I wish chain axe had more damage

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:17 PM

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Yeah its not superior/a direct upgrade

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But it does have ap

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so 1.5 avg damage is omre like…. .5?

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point is

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Crit shred feels infenetly better

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:17 PM

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Is ap average to 1 damage?

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:17 PM

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not strictly

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but thats a rough estimate

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i thiiink the average is like 1.5 but for my purposes its 1

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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Tempting

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Just make rend axe 1 damage

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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point is

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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rocky hawk Just make rend axe 1 damage

bro

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please no

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nerf anything else about it

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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:3

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0.5 damage now

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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i will not control ur lcp

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but

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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You roll a d2 and half it

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:18 PM

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rocky hawk 0.5 damage now

fucking auxiliarry aux weapon

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you put two aux aux weapons on an aux slot

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:19 PM

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Fuck... quadratic weaoons

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:19 PM

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integral weapons

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:19 PM

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Cause I got an aux aux aux weapon too

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Fractal aux

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:19 PM

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int from bounds of 0 to b where b is 2d6

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over the function x^2

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:20 PM

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Can we fit a derivative in here somewhere

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 12:20 PM

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hmmmm

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 12:20 PM

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Maybe a damage matrix

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Depending on outlying factors

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Based on the day of the week and the weather it can do anywhere from 1d6 to 0.0125 damage

forest trail Apr 29, 2026, 5:37 PM

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hey bel you should let me play vauban again

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but at like, LL4 or LL6

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 5:46 PM

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okay

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ill see when im free enough

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 6:57 PM

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rocky hawk Just make rend axe 1 damage

honestly it doesnt matter how much damage it does, it is mostly just a stick to activate core integrated + hunter swings as a free action and then get the rest of your turn to do things that arent attacking actions lol

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many free attacks activate on attack, so being able to initiate those effects without investing action econ into skirmishing/barraging is most of the weapon's power

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 6:59 PM

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jolly gorge honestly it doesnt matter how much damage it does, it is mostly just a stick to ...

if you're nuc cav + OP cal, this can easily be the majority of your damage anyways

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at low LL at least

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I honestly think it shouldnt have on crit shred tho lol like do something different from chain axe

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 7:09 PM

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rocky hawk Maybe a damage matrix

kinetic damage = U(x,t) where Uxx = Ut, t is round count, x is position from the hostile character, U(0,t) = 2d6, U(5,t)=1d3, Bounded by -x and x, and @ -x and x, U(x,t) = 0

u(x,0) = 1d6 + i 2 < x <5
2d6+2icos(nPI) 0 < x < 2

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that should include integration by parts, eigenfunctions, general solutions to differential equations, imaginary numbers, euler identities, and seperation of variables

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though I have excluded the piecewise function that determines the initial condition

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gotta add that

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there

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I think that would make the weapon more unique and better ja

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 7:44 PM

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:(

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 7:47 PM

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jolly gorge kinetic damage = U(x,t) where Uxx = Ut, t is round count, x is position from the...

I have a final on this tomorrow

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 7:47 PM

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LMAO

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 7:47 PM

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I have studied 8-10 hours straight every day since sunday

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aerospace engineering was a mistake

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:24 PM

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jolly gorge that should include integration by parts, eigenfunctions, general solutions to d...

Eigenfunction?

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:27 PM

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gloomy lotus Eigenfunction?

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ngl I dont know wtf this definition says but that is the definition of them

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"An eigenfunction is a non-zero function that, when acted upon by a linear operator, results in the same function scaled by a constant factor known as the eigenvalue."

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this one is massively better

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:31 PM

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jolly gorge "An eigenfunction is a non-zero function that, when acted upon by a linear opera...

Aight

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:31 PM

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jolly gorge

This is also understandable

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:31 PM

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too much math jargon I am an engineering major idk what that shit means

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:37 PM

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imma play hackerban

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imma hack

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them l

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or smtn

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:37 PM

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jolly gorge too much math jargon I am an engineering major idk what that shit means

I study psych. I know less than ye

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:38 PM

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finite wyvern imma play hackerban

What was the name of the movie again? Kung Fury?

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:38 PM

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no?

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hacker vauban

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:38 PM

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gloomy lotus I study psych. I know less than ye

you know less sure, but I understand much less

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lmao

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:39 PM

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because look at it

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the perfect chassis for fragsig slinging

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and it can afford to take 3 sys

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:39 PM

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finite wyvern hacker vauban

Oh, might wanna talk to phishly then

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 8:39 PM

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jolly gorge you know less sure, but I *understand* much less

That… yeah can’t argue

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:39 PM

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not a single person in my major understands differential equations

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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finite wyvern and it can afford to take 3 sys

this is true

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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are you fucking fr

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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it really do be armor 2

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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armor is just good

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armor os durability not really hp

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is

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but naga striker hacker seems like my jam

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as a lycan gamer

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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jolly gorge not a single person in my major understands differential equations

What is your major

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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finite wyvern armor os durability not really hp

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

Tenor

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:40 PM

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is

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:41 PM

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finite wyvern What is your major

aerospace engineering

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:41 PM

#

a-

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how.

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HOW

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A GOOD THIRD OF JUNIORS AND SENIORS AT MY SCHOOL UNDERSTAND OT

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IM TAKING BC CALC

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:41 PM

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finite wyvern A GOOD THIRD OF JUNIORS AND SENIORS AT MY SCHOOL UNDERSTAND OT

they do not

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they are lying to themselves

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:41 PM

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oh is this like

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where its “not actuallt the conventional definition”

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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finite wyvern IM TAKING BC CALC

it gets so, so much worse

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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jolly gorge https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-160372538093...

basically hp doesnt scale but armor does base stat wise

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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finite wyvern where its “not actuallt the conventional definition”

I can solve a differential equation problem, sure, if I am given a general solution sure

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ok but what if I have to come up with the general solution

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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thats how they work

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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jolly gorge ok but what if I have to come up with the general solution

separation of variables?

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uh

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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no but that's still the same thing as functionally being given one

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:42 PM

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or use an integral?

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:43 PM

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because you use the base form of a general solution

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:43 PM

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what the hell

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:43 PM

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you're always using some given C1cos(wt) etc.

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:43 PM

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rocky hawk what the hell

math

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:43 PM

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this is what I mean when I say you think you understand

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:43 PM

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oh yeah

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theres layers

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:44 PM

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all of diff eq that isnt math major shit is basically plug and chug

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and that, that is not understanding diff eq

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:44 PM

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but are they expected to know this via multiveriable or linear alg?

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or

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:45 PM

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no we're aerospace engineers we say that fucking blows let's have a supercomputer do it for us

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:45 PM

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real

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:45 PM

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not joking about the supercomputer thing

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:45 PM

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Oh so are they not failing or

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:46 PM

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some are

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I dont get diff eq and I have an A or B in most classes

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exam averages are in the low 50's tho

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:46 PM

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oh ok!

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:46 PM

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jolly gorge exam averages are in the low 50's tho

just kinda typical engineering major stuff tho

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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oh fuck im an engineering major

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pure compsci

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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not real engineering

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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Fuck

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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lmao

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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lol Im joking

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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buh

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buh im

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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it is fundamentally different tho

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it is nothing like any other engineering

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:47 PM

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ij in da engineering cowege

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🥺

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whai am i not wike the other stem mawjors

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:48 PM

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no you're terminally online

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:48 PM

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That hit hard

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damm.

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:49 PM

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comp sci is not easier than other engineering majors but yeah it is completely different

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:49 PM

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ok!

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:50 PM

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jolly gorge no we're aerospace engineers we say that fucking blows let's have a supercompute...

we are aerospace majors we say that fucking blows Im just gonna assume it doesnt exist CONSTANTLY

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 8:50 PM

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ou dear

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:53 PM

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rocky hawk real

what is ur major

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let's see if you get voting rights

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:53 PM

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computer information security

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:54 PM

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some bullshit idk ur voting rights are up in the air until further notice

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:54 PM

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i keep your goofy lockhead martin ass from getting hacked

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:55 PM

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so cloudstrike was YOUR fault?

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good to know I get to blame every single data breach I ever experience on you

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:55 PM

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more like, stopping all ones you dont know about is gonna be my fault

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but yeah basically

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:55 PM

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we both know that's not how that works

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:55 PM

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enjoy making drones to kill civillians

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or like, planes

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:56 PM

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to transport humans lol

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at high speed

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Im specializing in hypersonics

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:56 PM

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jolly gorge we both know that's not how that works

we both know you dont get any recognition for what you do right and get ostracized for what you do wrong

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we both know that's how security of any kind works

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:56 PM

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yeah i mean

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real

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:57 PM

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any sort of preventative job lol

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:57 PM

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but hopfully i make money so idc

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:57 PM

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true!

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boeing pays more than lockheed anyways and boeing stopped doing defense out of incompetence

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checkmate!

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:57 PM

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fuck.....\

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 8:58 PM

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jolly gorge boeing pays more than lockheed anyways and boeing stopped doing defense out of i...

they still do defense manufacturing but that's not my job anyways

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ideally I will have no hand in manufacturing that's for the bums who chose mechanical engineering because they were too cowardly to specialize in aero

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 8:59 PM

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based

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:00 PM

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rocky hawk computer information security

feeding my stereotype that computer in name of major = trans woman

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:00 PM

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yeahhhhh

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thats kinda true

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:00 PM

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my gaydar is peerless

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:07 PM

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bastard

timber nacelle Apr 29, 2026, 9:14 PM

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yall hittin 2 of 4

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:16 PM

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there are a shit load of furries in aerospace engineering too

timber nacelle Apr 29, 2026, 9:17 PM

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hell yeah

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:18 PM

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jolly gorge some bullshit idk ur voting rights are up in the air until further notice

ur literally a stem major are we compsci students like second class citizens

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:18 PM

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timber nacelle yall hittin 2 of 4

ive met like all four in the same room

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:18 PM

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finite wyvern ur literally a stem major are we compsci students like second class citizens

no, business majors are

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:18 PM

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based

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Also

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o trickery

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:18 PM

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I am not that uppity about my major I just dont respect people who are choosing to waste a hundred grand on a degree they wont use

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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Has some insane options if i manage to slap it onto the right frame

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like saladin

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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jolly gorge I am not that uppity about my major I just dont respect people who are choosing ...

ive spent like 20k and im almost done with college

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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I can taunt people

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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rocky hawk ive spent like 20k and im almost done with college

ah

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I am

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out of state

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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yeah trickery can go nuts

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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or balor

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finally

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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im in state, did community and then transferred

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:19 PM

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i can be the defneder tom said i was

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every bullet will bounce off of my gigantic nanomachine abs

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:20 PM

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rocky hawk im in state, did community and then transferred

ah, that wasnt an option with my major, major specific courses started year 1 for me

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and I had to apply to the major after getting into the college

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since it has very few slots

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:21 PM

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rocky hawk im in state, did community and then transferred

that is good

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I am

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never financially recovering

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:21 PM

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i have literally no debt

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:21 PM

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well technically same

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but that's a technicality

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hey listen if my lcp suddenly pops off and I get 200 grand I'll be chillin

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:22 PM

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LMAO

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:23 PM

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Im currently @ -113 dollars profit, so pretty close

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:23 PM

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is that -113

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or around 113

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:23 PM

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negative

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:23 PM

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lmao im at like -300?

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:24 PM

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let's goooo

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lol

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dude 300 is a big number good for you man

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proud of u

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:24 PM

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its all gone to pishly lmao

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:25 PM

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jolly gorge Im currently @ -113 dollars profit, so pretty close

wait no

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I forgot I payed honeydew a couple times

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yeah Im probably around - 363

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oh wow yikes

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that's not good lol

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mmmm

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I may have to commission pishly at a later date

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mech art with the guy Im working with has been an absolute slog

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:27 PM

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jolly gorge I may have to commission pishly at a later date

i mean, its more like ask

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:27 PM

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I have 2 sketches, it has been 10 months

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wdym?

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:28 PM

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i paid him cause i wanted to not cause he charges anything

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:28 PM

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wha

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so ur telling me

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I didnt have to spend 400 dollars for art that I will likely never get

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:28 PM

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i actually had to MAKE him take it

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he asked for $5 for the v2 mechs

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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do you gotta be like

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buddies or something

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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i had like just met him at the time

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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oh my god

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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jolly gorge I didnt have to spend 400 dollars for art that I will likely *never* get

at that point just chargeback

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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why did no one tell me this sooner

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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holy moly

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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rocky hawk at that point just chargeback

tried

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he doesnt have the money to give back

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:29 PM

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cause he has like no time and just does it for fun

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it was like, 4 months and then he did em all in a week

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:30 PM

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I mean yeah that's not optimal I would pay for quicker turnarounds

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but like, paying does not give quicker turnarounds it appears

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lmao

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:30 PM

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jolly gorge he doesnt have the money to give back

he ghosted me for 9 months and then got back to me when I initiated the chargeback saying he couldnt pay it and he will do the commission

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:31 PM

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9 month ghost is awful

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holy moly

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:31 PM

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and then I got two sketches, and havent heard anything back in a bit

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:31 PM

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who was it if you dont mind

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:31 PM

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idk if it's good form to publically ostracize someone

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I dont think he did it intentionally

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I have no beleif that he truly intended to scam me

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and for that reason I will not disclose who

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:31 PM

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ah fair enough

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:32 PM

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jolly gorge I have no beleif that he truly intended to scam me

we'll see tho if he does it again yeah I'll fucking shout it from the rooftops

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:32 PM

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LMAO

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:33 PM

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Im so sick of waiting man

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:33 PM

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which mech was it for

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:33 PM

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3 mechs

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cassin, rubicon, and the 3rd I havent decided

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we have excatly one sketch of the cassin

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jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:34 PM

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jolly gorge cassin, rubicon, and the 3rd I havent decided

we're doing one at a time so I will decide the 3rd when we get there

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but cassin is basically the manufacturer's mascot, and rubicon is the manufacturer's everest, so they are obvious choices

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:35 PM

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i will say all the retrograde art is goated

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:35 PM

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A lot of it is my bashing, some of it is my friend's, all of the stuff that is clearly colored well is honeydew, the stuff that is colored tolerably is mine lol.

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:36 PM

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jolly gorge but cassin is basically the manufacturer's mascot, and rubicon is the manufactur...

idk if it's obvious but cassin is my baby

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:37 PM

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cassin is really cool

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:37 PM

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oh that's awesome to hear

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:37 PM

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movement support and cataphract trampling

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i love me a cataphract

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:38 PM

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I really wanted a mech that moved its team faster the faster it went, and that is very hard to do gracefully

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:38 PM

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rocky hawk i love me a cataphract

Loathe the cataphract

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:38 PM

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so I think I did it well, but it's still easily an S-tier mech lol my playgroup puts it right below lycan lol

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:39 PM

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jolly gorge so I think I did it well, but it's still easily an S-tier mech lol my playgroup ...

in terms of power, not design competence lol

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:39 PM

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jolly gorge idk if it's obvious but cassin is my baby

cassin has been reworked at LEAST 5 times

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my friends used to make fun of me because basically weekly I would say "cassin rework incoming"

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:40 PM

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gloomy lotus Loathe the cataphract

cataphract rules

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:41 PM

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jolly gorge idk if it's obvious but cassin is my baby

(I have played it as two seperate characters now for two seperate campaigns)

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:43 PM

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balor with ol trickery

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And vanguard dsas

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and scanner swarm

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and 2 sys

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You will not do anythingn else that is not being adjacent and attacking me

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:45 PM

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the funniest use of ol trickery is to have a tanky buddy argo shield you and then you, as the sys invest player, use the first option to force them to shoot you

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so the tanky buddy does not need to invest in sys, and you as the person who is already invested in sys anyways get to give them the benefits

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:46 PM

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fair

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:46 PM

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you're gonna shoot me, and you're gonna do half damage

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:46 PM

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but

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this is funny

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:46 PM

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jolly gorge so the tanky buddy does not need to invest in sys, and you as the person who is ...

alternatively, if you want a weaker version that doesnt require a buddy, hyperdense

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just deny artilleries their entire existence

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 9:48 PM

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tortuga gaming

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im still probably running naga

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either as a heavy gunner or pankrati striker

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because GOD BLESS AN ACTUAL DEDICATED HACKER STRIKER

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:50 PM

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finite wyvern either as a heavy gunner or pankrati striker

heavy gunner + a heavy nexus is probably best, at least if you have another LCP that adds a heavy nexus lol since first party has fucking one

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heavy gunner heavy nexus allows for centimane procs off of your turn, doubling their effect duration

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and you have a 10% higher crit chance so

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:53 PM

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jolly gorge cataphract rules

It’s a small in joke wiþ Bel

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:53 PM

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finite wyvern because GOD BLESS AN ACTUAL DEDICATED HACKER STRIKER

hey man, iskander, tortuga, calendula (kinda)

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:53 PM

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gloomy lotus It’s a small in joke wiþ Bel

Kinda like it being night

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:53 PM

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MOTHERFUCKER YOU CANT JUST USE THORN IN CASUAL CONVERSATION

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:53 PM

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jolly gorge hey man, iskander, tortuga, calendula (kinda)

kidd (?????)

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:54 PM

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rocky hawk MOTHERFUCKER YOU CANT JUST USE THORN IN CASUAL CONVERSATION

What þe fück’re þe gonna do bout it

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 9:54 PM

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jolly gorge kidd (?????)

hecaton

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that one isnt dubious that one is real

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:55 PM

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gloomy lotus What þe fück’re þe gonna do bout it

hard focus you in every playtest

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:55 PM

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rocky hawk hard focus you in every playtest

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

Tenor

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Napoleon o’clock it seems to be

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:55 PM

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its okay ill grapple you

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:56 PM

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And dunk me like a basketball while I try to fucin hit with the improvised brawler

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:56 PM

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yep

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:57 PM

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rocky hawk yep

Baller, sign me the fuck up

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:58 PM

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also you wont play napolean lmao

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aint horus

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:58 PM

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…synthetic muscle netting napoleon

rocky hawk Apr 29, 2026, 9:58 PM

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thats ipsn

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 9:58 PM

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And HA

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I guess Gorgon or Lycan then

gloomy lotus Apr 29, 2026, 10:04 PM

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rocky hawk thats ipsn

The frame needs to be Horus. Rest should be 70%-80% horus

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 10:29 PM

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jolly gorge hey man, iskander, tortuga, calendula (kinda)

As in one where the traits specifically encourage hacker striker gaming

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Rather than just the stats and traits being convenient for it

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Hence the phrase "dedicated"

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 10:29 PM

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jolly gorge heavy gunner + a heavy nexus is probably best, at least if you have another LCP ...

gms core crisis has the heav nexus

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which is literally 2d6 kinetic smart 10 range

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it is as bog standard as guns get

jolly gorge Apr 29, 2026, 11:06 PM

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finite wyvern gms core crisis has the heav nexus

yeah okay that was the one I was thinking about

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ye that's probably highly optimal

finite wyvern Apr 29, 2026, 11:10 PM

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yeah but the damage...

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big damage...

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on machine gun

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hmmm

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 3:31 PM

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I think some tweaks might be coming

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Vauban stats, might do a full ripper mod rework

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Problem with ripper mod is that it supports grit latch

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But if the mod let you turn cannons into line weapons it works with the frame much better

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Fitz as a liscence is the kind of thing that only really works with its stuff and not other stuff at all

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Which is bad design

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But if i change up ripper mod then grit latch is pointless

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Unless it keeps the armor damage but then it's just too much

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:26 PM

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rocky hawk But if i change up ripper mod then grit latch is pointless

I mean not entirely, you can use it to support your backline

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could change it up a bit to be more specifically intended to do that

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to support the backline that you, as an artillery, are a part of

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:29 PM

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Fitz has never been much of a backline arty

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:29 PM

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it has not but also "backline" is a broad term here

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just people at range 10 from the frontline kinda

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oh wait fitz isnt range 10 anymore is it lol

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also ngl I think combining grit latch with ripper mod is a mathematically poor play

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:30 PM

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How do we feel about ripper mod being able to add lines in the first place

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:31 PM

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jolly gorge also ngl I think combining grit latch with ripper mod is a mathematically poor p...

The idea is that cause you got lines if you hit 2 people with it it's 2d6 bonus damage

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:31 PM

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rocky hawk The idea is that cause you got lines if you hit 2 people with it it's 2d6 bonus ...

no, because all bonus damage is halved on aoe attacks

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"A separate attack roll is made for each target, but
damage is only rolled once and bonus damage is
halved if there are multiple characters affected."

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:32 PM

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Well like other than that

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:32 PM

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so it is 1d6/2 -1 to two people

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:32 PM

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But I just worry that grit latch loses it's identity

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:32 PM

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or 1d6/3 to three people, but catching 3 people in a line and a blast 1 simultaneously is very hard

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:32 PM

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But if you think it's fine I can just test a new ripper mod

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:33 PM

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well I do think grit latch should see some slight changes but I dont think it is fundamentally cooked

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:33 PM

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I was thinking its cannons only, gives em a line equal to range with a max of 10 and costs an extra heat it fire

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:33 PM

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I think you could give it the same effect as current just make it like, a drone

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making it a drone adds more play with it in general

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everyone adjacent gains +1 armor

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:33 PM

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I hate drones

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:33 PM

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drones are epicsauce

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:34 PM

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Doesn't seem super ispn but maybe

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:34 PM

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rocky hawk I was thinking its cannons only, gives em a line equal to range with a max of 10...

like, this is reasonable if we ignore HMG lol

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:34 PM

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I liked the grenade theming

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:34 PM

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jolly gorge like, this *is* reasonable if we ignore HMG lol

But we can't ignore hmg can we

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:34 PM

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lmao

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yeah making HMG line allows it to more conveniently stack accuracy, since accuracy stacks particularly well on aoe attacks, and HMG LOVES fixing its singular downside

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:35 PM

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I don't wanna give it ordnance

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Maybe max out the total accuracy you can add to 1?

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Idk

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Hmm

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:35 PM

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I do think it is dubious to add a clause that exists solely to kick HMG in the shins lol

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:35 PM

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I mean

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Hmg balancing moment

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:36 PM

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you could give it an ordnance lite, like it cannot target characters within range 3 if it has that mod

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well that is simultaneously worse to deal with and easier than ordnance

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but yeah it might help

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:37 PM

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Hmm

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:37 PM

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making attacks AOE that arent usually is very hard to budget lol

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:37 PM

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Maybe you can't use it to attack outside your turn?

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No heavy gunner

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:37 PM

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it's not impossible but

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:37 PM

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Or overwatch

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:38 PM

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idk if saying nuh-uh to heavy ranged weapon's singular talent is the move lol

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not like siege specialist is doing anything

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if it were a rifle or a nexus maybe but siege specialist is ass

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dying on that hill btw

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:39 PM

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jolly gorge making attacks AOE that arent usually is very hard to budget lol

this was my best attempt

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and most of the balancing was making it fundamentally unusable on artillery pieces

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oh wow that is old wording

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this got re-worded cuz it is worded like ass

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:41 PM

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rocky hawk But we can't ignore hmg can we

I have an idea

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quick action and it becomes line until the start of your next turn

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that is probably a moderately decent idea

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you're giving up a barrage to make the heavy hit more people, which is objectively worth it

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but ofc it's worth it you're investing SP into bringing it

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:46 PM

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jolly gorge if it were a rifle or a nexus maybe but siege specialist is ass

I agree

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:46 PM

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jolly gorge you're giving up a barrage to make the heavy hit more people, which *is* objecti...

Well it ain't jus for heavies

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Fitz can only use super heavys or mains

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:47 PM

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well ok ngl a mod on the mech that fundamentally wants to use its integrated unmodifiable heavy more than anything else is gonna be hard to justify taking

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I mean ok to be fair by that logic, does fitz's license actually want a line creator tool when exactly 1/3 profiles on its weapons is not line and that's the one you kinda dont want to use that much

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:49 PM

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It's so you want non Fitz cannon

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Maybe I just knock out line em up

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:50 PM

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I mean the one GMS main cannon is blast so, idk how turning it into a line works with that, and lines are kinda just outright worse than blasts

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 4:51 PM

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The lines stay as just a fun little Fitz thing and it gets a different trait for damage

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Or make hole punch work for line weapons OR cannons so then it can just take any line weapon

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 4:52 PM

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I agree with the lines staying as a fitz thing, but I think simply by nature of having the bizzare cannon, the damage trait is fine to have on it

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ignoring the power budgeting of it at least, the fitz does want to spam the fuck out of its cannon as much as physically possible, and so giving it a trait that makes it want to do that more is not really problem

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sry if I'm a little all over the place with these suggestions Im kinda trying to follow where you're going with it because I personally have a distaste for mechs that are kind of closed loops like this

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it's not a real critique but it does make it a little hard to suggest things lol

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I stand by my drone idea tho

rocky hawk Apr 30, 2026, 5:00 PM

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rocky hawk Or make hole punch work for line weapons OR cannons so then it can just take any...

What about this specific change, widens the scope of the weapons it can use but don't really make it particularly more powerful

jolly gorge Apr 30, 2026, 5:02 PM

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I think it's probably fine yeah

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it does kinda make it meaningfully mkore powerful because it allows fitz to use it on weapons that have actually useful talents, like rail rifle

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I think hole puncher should be hard cover tho lol

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as is it is basically just superior arcing and arcing is pretty fucking good lol

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