The Sixth Voice -A Third Party Homebrew LCP

[coral dragon]

Idk whats going on here but something is going on here

Their breakup will be messy. I promise.

🔥🔥🔥

Modern Romeo and Juliet

This is the important shit

[rocky hawk]

angry butch vs soft doll

its peak im afraid

[timber nacelle]

the leoleth is angry with everyone EXCEPT slaugh, she gets somewhat embarrassed about how nice she is to her

[rocky hawk]

mech yuri is real

gloire is homophobic

[gloomy lotus]

@rocky hawk newest version of the LCP on itch yet?

[sweet cloak]

hello! i haven't tested the frames out in a real game yet & not sure if anyone has already mentioned this but the scaling on the hazard's weight of fire trait: "all weapons mounted on the hazard and adjacent mechs increase their reliable by 1/2 grit"

may get a little too strong when grit becomes 5/6, since you can pretty easily put together something like barrage panic breaker (7) + dual pistols (8) -> uncle assault rifle (5) -> integrated pistol (4) and get reliable 24 for deterministic kills on a significant chunk of the NPC roster

[rocky hawk]

Yes

[gloomy lotus]

Rad, ta

[rocky hawk]

That change might be reversed

But can't do anything now or for a while

[zenith oasis]

speaking more in general in my opinion as a gm, but if someone invests that much into wanting to be able to deterministically kill 1-2 npcs per round as their Thing at ll12, i'd let them do that. ll12 is a pretty lawless land to begin with, and the average combat only has 6-8 rounds anyway

[rocky hawk]

24 is about 1 medium hp NPC at tier 3

[unkempt iron]

Grutte pier is a transphobic gay bear in his 50s

[rocky hawk]

What a crazy read but you may be right

[dense cedar]

so controversial yet so accurate

[gloomy lotus]

https://www.tumblr.com/gorgonfuckerdotnet/812638401619804160

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[jolly gorge]

that's a little higher than reality, and the fact that it can blow through any form of missing defense (invis, firebreak shield, evas, etc.), I personally at least agree with syzygy

like one shotting one guy is something that any striker should be capable of doing, but it's not like hazard's max or even average damage (its average is typically meaningfully higher) is really hindered compared to any other heavy mounter as so very few of them get any form of bonus damage baked in

so it can deterministically kill 1-2 hostiles in a turn, while not taking a hit to its maximum damage, and gaining higher average compared to competition

hornet, operator, priest, mirage, really any support/artillery/controller, we deterministically one shot, and they dont usually have enough HP to take our whole barrage, so we can just kill 2, no rolls needed

killing 1-2 people in a turn is common for an LL11-12 striker, however, they need to be careful with their target choice to ensure maximum success rate, this requires none of that, and is entirely guaranteed

and if our kit doesnt completely hard counter half of the map because it's filled with low evas bulky people, we're still a heavy mounter that is still fully capable of obliterating one of them like any other striker

just my opinion tho, hazard is pretty sick

tl;dr, smarts counter hornets at the cost of never hitting the witch. This counters all of that at no cost

the passive rules btw, very fun

[rocky hawk]

Should it not scale then?

Just be a flat +1 takes the damage way down

[jolly gorge]

I personally think it should probably be let scale naturally, yes. Like, at high levels, you can more easily take core integrated mount, which works well with this, and generally, doing more attacks is easier at higher levels, so it will scale naturally

I think a flat +1 may be a little bit too low, so you can add the clause that it is based upon mount size, so +1 to aux's/mains +2 to heavies or smth like that

or you just have it stack the hell out of reliable on the heavy mount and revoke its ability to use this with aux's, but that further pushes the OC heavy skirmish meta and that prolly isnt the play lol

[misty lance]

You could just say "fuck it" and go "it's +1 Reliable from LL0-LL6, and +2 from LL7 to LL12"

[jolly gorge]

(session got cancelled btw so will lyk how purple thorn is when we play next)

[finite wyvern]

honestly this is an infinitely more real explanation of the community's thoughts

"I like IPS-N because the combination of solid durability and repair cap alongside generally strong core bonuses which are universally useful on a variety of builds and strong weapons without pacers such as LHAC, DSAS, and Nanocarb..."

"Extrude gun go brr"

[abstract stump]

Man I am late. but can I say I REALLY Like the Naga? Melee, Hacing, AND Lock On shenanigans? What a vibe. Even the lore is such a vibe. "Hey, solve my puzzles and i'll extend your life!" Awesome XD I need theory craft something now lol. Cheers!

[dense cedar]

Yes, yes you can
It's awesome

[rocky hawk]

naga my beloved

[past turtle]

-- HA Gilgamesh @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA Koremasa 1, HA Gilgamesh 2, SSC Metalmark 1, IPS-N Hazard 1, SSC Primrose 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Integrated Ammo Feeds, Mount Retrofitting
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 2, Duelist 2, Pankrati 2, Skirmisher 2, Grease Monkey 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
STRUCTURE:4 HP:21 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+5
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
RETROFITTED MOUNT: Superthermal Blade / Segment Knife // Mount Retrofitting
FLEX MOUNT: Rend Axe
HEAVY MOUNT: Legionnaire Battle Rifle
[ SYSTEMS ]
Emergency Armature x7, Phase Cloud x6, Emergency Repair Module x6, Reactive Weave, Dazzling Wind x8, Personalizations, Armament Redundancy

Grab all the LL1 limited stuff, slap it on your guy, profit

[rocky hawk]

reaction maxing

[past turtle]

honestly it fits together better than I would have expected

falls into a teleporting durable skirmisher role, and all the reaction based movement lets it position itself for rend axe pretty consistently

[dense cedar]

Pretty cool build

I'm too obsessed with Legion Nexus personally so my brain could never think of this

[past turtle]

Honestly I never really got Legion Nexus's whole deal

[rocky hawk]

killing things

and it can give itself accuracy or knock people prone

[jolly gorge]

bela you are obsessed with overshield

[rocky hawk]

yes

lmao

super underutilized mechanic

[jolly gorge]

I think it is that way because of how insanely potent it is in a resource-management attrition game like lancer

to be clear I think naga's passive is fine

I dont think it's OP or anything, 1 overshield/round is nice but the movement is much more the star

I just think it's funny that fuckin every mech has overshield

[rocky hawk]

not EVERY mech

just like

half

black mountain, slaugh, naga, Myconid

hazard

[jolly gorge]

grutte pier

primrose

[rocky hawk]

yeah

yeah.../

[jolly gorge]

lol

[rocky hawk]

its an interesting mechanic that base lancer barely touches

[jolly gorge]

Yeah in my LCP's 2.0, I am adding some overshield stuff

It is fun but you do have to be very careful

specifically with effects that add to pre-existing overshield cough cough exalt

[rocky hawk]

its an emperor alt

still worse than the emperor is a mathmatical constant

[jolly gorge]

emperor only gets to add to allied overshield values if it wants to make that overshield explode the turn after

lol I think black mountain is fine, but exalt is inherently stressful for the game

[rocky hawk]

overshield for a turn isnt a downside if you can do it every turn

[rocky hawk]

it did recently get nerfed

[jolly gorge]

yes I am aware lol

I was there for most of it lol

black mountain was NOT fucking fine lol

I have seen all of the nerfs, sensors 10, LOS, I was there for those lol

[rocky hawk]

i mean exalt from 2 to 1

[jolly gorge]

that too

I also saw the 2/round on end all things

Im gonna see if I can make a vauban that deals the most damage in the game

at the highest odds of doing so, fuck you caliban

[rocky hawk]

im not sure vauban can hit highest damage when stort exists

[jolly gorge]

well stort technically can whiff a crit

it just has to do that twice

yeah so you can comfortably get it to typical OC heavy double skirmish damage and then you use heavy gunner (best talent in the game ngl) to activate your functional bonus d6

[rocky hawk]

heavy gunner is not the best talent lmao

[jolly gorge]

it's not

but it's absurdly good

[rocky hawk]

it is

[jolly gorge]

so yeah just outright more damage than anyone else with this same very typical OC heavy mounter setup

nah Im dumb

solfotaric breach is a reaction

we arent gorgon

nvm

ok yeah it requires a lot of simply ignoring the mech, which feels wrong and no one will do, but you can use like legionnaire BR to push people into ur difficult terrain and get solfotaric off that

and do the most damage of any heavy OC skirmisher in the game with the exception of like, manticore

cuz manticore gets to use jager kunst

idk I dont think it's that OP, but it's weird that it can do this lol

[jolly gorge]

what do you think is the best talent

cuz heavy gunner up there

quick action to impair 2 people and they can only move 1 space, quick action to just completely shut down any striker of ur choosing lol

[rocky hawk]

orator is a contender for sure

field analyist is nuts

[jolly gorge]

this is true

field analyst 1 specifically

[rocky hawk]

house guard 1 is just really powerful

pankrati is a workhorse

leader is also good but not quite field analyist

skirmisher is so much value

[jolly gorge]

skirmisher is hard carried by skirm 2

[rocky hawk]

yeah but skirm 2 is just

one of the most powerful tools ever

almost every build can use it

it can do a LOT

[jolly gorge]

I mean any build can use it but really it exists to solve the speed problem that every OC heavy mounter has IMMEDIATELY and for 2 talent points

dont like being slow on genghis? skirmisher

[rocky hawk]

not even heavy mounters, literally any mech that wants to be attacking within mid to close range

[jolly gorge]

2 talent points for more speed than hase could even possibly give you

[rocky hawk]

exactly

and you get to ignore overwatch

[jolly gorge]

well it's literally twice as good an anyone who OC's

and heavy mounters are generally better at OC due to relying less on bonus d6

[rocky hawk]

or aux builds

[jolly gorge]

I mean yeah aux rangers OC to confirm gunslingers every turn yes

but weave is, good on paper. It's good, yes, but almost every NPC reaction in lancer has so much baked in counter play you really kinda just need to git gud

[rocky hawk]

its

fine

[jolly gorge]

yeah

where's ur talent tier list bela

for the content farm

[rocky hawk]

pankrati number one everything else f tier

[jolly gorge]

the nelson delusions continue I see

[rocky hawk]

fuck nelson

[jolly gorge]

TRUE

C TIER C TIER

[rocky hawk]

2 free turns of movement solves so many problems

and a free accuracy?

[jolly gorge]

DOUBLE accuracy on prone people is funny

[rocky hawk]

and you should be going for prone anywya

[jolly gorge]

very VERY few innacurate melees tho unfortunately

[rocky hawk]

with things like duelist

[jolly gorge]

in fact zero in first party

iirc

so the second accuracy is not super useful unless you are impaired

but still nice

[rocky hawk]

impaired is very common

and also more crits

for stort even

[jolly gorge]

not with the grace of god BLACK THUMB + TECHNO

jammed? Impaired? what?

no Im fine actually

[rocky hawk]

i wasnt including those because its TWO talents

and each one is mid on their own

[jolly gorge]

yeah it's true

but we cant leave them seperate lol

[rocky hawk]

its nuts

but its heavy investment

nuters you until like, ll6

[jolly gorge]

I've played a very large amount of LL12 lancer, 90% of setups are blumb techno OC setups, and it's objectively the correct answer for basically every mech

[jolly gorge]

oh yeah it's completely and totally unusuable before LL6 and @ LL6 ur pushing it

[rocky hawk]

its not unusable, ll3 can have use for it

infinite invis metalmark

stuff like that

[jolly gorge]

I mean

get shot once

infinite invis metalmark is funny yeah but tier 1's genuinely pose zero threat at all

[rocky hawk]

most dms REALLY dont wanna shoot the invis guy

[jolly gorge]

spending literally any talent points on staying alive against tier 1's is kinda crazy

they just dont do anything to you

[rocky hawk]

i make bastard asshole teir ones

[jolly gorge]

the damage numbers they output are just so damn low

[rocky hawk]

pirate...

[jolly gorge]

that's not real damage lol

that's pilot sniping

[rocky hawk]

seeder

[jolly gorge]

Operator's damage DOUBLES at LL5, and your bulk does NOT double

[rocky hawk]

no i mean the d6 crit

[jolly gorge]

30% chance to do +3.5 damage, I mean ok

[jolly gorge]

I mean, the stun mines on seeder are far more scary

8 damage or the entire team collapsing on you

[rocky hawk]

ive had squads wipe to a seeder

[jolly gorge]

embarassing for them

try searching next time?

seeders are absurdly threatening, absolutely, but IMO the stun mines are much more so

[rocky hawk]

i just dont like doing stun

unfun mechanic

[jolly gorge]

lol I mean fair

but my point remains

my play group's NPC tier list based upon how threatening they are as a player, basing upon tier 2

[rocky hawk]

they need to respect rainmakes and caraphracts more

crit effects on a catahract is NUTS they have so much accuracy

and 8 speed with moderate tankyness

[jolly gorge]

yeah but like, operator just does that better

for crit fishing DPS

[rocky hawk]

operator dies faster

[jolly gorge]

it can

fade cloak + step helps a lot tho

[rocky hawk]

cataphract also can overheat people with capacitor

[jolly gorge]

cataphract is very threatening, it is still A tier

[rocky hawk]

its scarrier than ronin for sure

i like the specter respect though

[jolly gorge]

the tiers are kind of in two places, either this NPC is a universal problem (seeder), or they are easy to deal with but if you dont things go wrong INSANELY fast (specter, hornet)

[rocky hawk]

that shit is crazy

[jolly gorge]

specter you literally just have to sit next to each other

if you dont, you die

[rocky hawk]

specters just nuke you

i love deploying them once people have already split up

[jolly gorge]

vile

[rocky hawk]

players hate sticking together

you can also throw a high priority far range enemy against them

so they have to either split to run it down or just eat bombard +8 bonus damage

bombards are lowkey devestating for many team comps

[jolly gorge]

we literally defined B tier with bombard tier

[rocky hawk]

bombard feels better than b

[jolly gorge]

if you clump, you die immediately

if you dont, it does fuck all

putting a specter + a bombard on the map is a funny way to fuck with your players, but I personally dont agree with creating enemy team comps with no weaknesses

I intentionally place holes

specter + bombard is not a comp with no weaknesses, but it can quickly be depending n what the next 2 NPC's in that lineup are

[rocky hawk]

i think if i had to make a hell comp it would be bombard, specter, witch, breacher, mirage, operator, goliath

seeder if its a control point map

operator is bait

[jolly gorge]

oh ye breacher is up there because I gave my players one ultra breacher with limitless at T3 and they had no idea what breacher did and it killed like 3 of them doing 60 damage/turn 3 times/round

[rocky hawk]

i like giving breachers exotic for chronotorus

to get those extra shots

[jolly gorge]

it was an Ultra Horror

[rocky hawk]

follower count my beloved

[jolly gorge]

so it could eat the wrecks of the destroyed tanky players to keep itself alive

cuz obv it's not hitting the evas tanks until it gets a chance to follower count and lock on

[jolly gorge]

this is disingenous the encounter had the ultra breacher + a sniper, witch, assassin, and priest

but they dont even matter pffff

[rocky hawk]

hacker witch with dark cloud is my beloved

you hard punish anyone who even dreams of using heat

[jolly gorge]

well

well they just kill you for being a witch

before that second heat pop happens

[rocky hawk]

mirage/scount/aegis

[jolly gorge]

I mean I guess that would be much harder if ur team doesnt have a melee diver/assassin

but why doesnt ur team have a melee diver/assassin

[rocky hawk]

have em go at the very END and then the first activation next round

give em other targets

its a vet to get hacker so they have to be really good at burst

but high operational range and other targets means you can get a couple of exposes pretty reliably

[jolly gorge]

I mean, 28 damage in one turn is doable @LL3 and comfortably so

[rocky hawk]

from 20 spaces away?

[jolly gorge]

pank!

[rocky hawk]

behind a tank?

[jolly gorge]

I mean yeah pankrati can do that immediately

[rocky hawk]

maybe, b

but youd better be really sure you land all your shots

[jolly gorge]

you will if ur build is good

[rocky hawk]

cant acount for bad luck

[jolly gorge]

no but you can ensure >90% success rates

[dense cedar]

I glanced the overshield topic and Bela I want you to know you are to blame thank for Overshield being a mechanic in my future IPS-N license

[jolly gorge]

and if that goes wrong, well then fuck it's cooked

[rocky hawk]

not at ll3 or 6

thats a ll12 thing

[jolly gorge]

yeah you can

[rocky hawk]

not at all

not a 90%

maybe 70 or 60 at best

more if you got a team thats willing to min max with you

[jolly gorge]

I mean witch is evas 10 @ T1

[rocky hawk]

but most arent

[jolly gorge]

well

I always operate with this assumption

because lock in

we gettin through this mission with 0 structurees

[rocky hawk]

lmao i have had 1 eteam out of like 20 fit this mark

[jolly gorge]

to be fair I only play lancer with friends, one of which I used to play games at a competetive level with

so playing with any randos would make my way of playing impossible

yeah if the team built their mechs seprately and only coordinated like basic role names, yeah it's over for u

[rocky hawk]

its crazy you have a team that doesnt just do that

lancer 1%

[jolly gorge]

we have an artillery, a striker, a support, a defender, and a controller, we good right!? Oh, we dont have specifically a smart ranger, damn, we get wiped to a hornet

oh, defenders are niche if they dont have a buddy they are designed to circle jerk with

my glorious king orchis + caliban

[jolly gorge]

winning is fun

making bad builds is not

most teamates I have had will listen to me when i tell them to change their build and the only difference is that now everytthing is targeting e-def and they lose like maybe 2 damage/turn

[rocky hawk]

i generally agr3ee but most people odnt

[jolly gorge]

we have an arty player but he is playing specifically purple thorn because it's the highest DPS we could find that targeted e-def that wasnt monarch gandiva (boring)

and not having any smarts is not an option, you die

[jolly gorge]

tell them to lock in

we have sitreps to one round

[rocky hawk]

i dont go quite so hard on them

sometimes i have nutso teams and they get to steamroll if htey want

they earned it

but most players just wanna do wacko builds so you gotta balance around that

[jolly gorge]

lol so when are your tier lists coming bela

the people need to know

[rocky hawk]

a mix, higher level is necessary to consider but its pointless for most players

analysis must both include lower and upper bounds

[jolly gorge]

to be fair we never once considered the skill floor in our tier list, so I would be curious to see what you think that would do to it if you make one

[rocky hawk]

emperor has a high skill celing and a low floor so thats why i consider it the best

easy to get very good results out of but able to dominate when min maxed

storts got a higher floor but a really high celing

theres actually a really good pf2e class tier list that sort of shows off the concept really well

[jolly gorge]

(I think this is also rather apparent in my LCP, the skill floor was generally not considered, only the ceiling lol)

[jolly gorge]

do we mean build or execution or both

[rocky hawk]

both

[jolly gorge]

cuz stort execution is rather simple, it's complicated for a striker but strikers are inherently simple

[rocky hawk]

a suprising amount of new/inexperienced players use my lcp so i wanna have it be accessable to them as well as being interesting for higher level play

mk/2 is meant to give newer players an option for loading weapons at low ll

[jolly gorge]

accessible through being game breaking, I see

[rocky hawk]

make people who just want to use the heavy rifle work

[jolly gorge]

lol I no serious

[rocky hawk]

mk2 is good but worse than everest

[jolly gorge]

SP 4 is diabolical lmao

[rocky hawk]

thats the issue you have with it?

not the every round loading weapons?

[jolly gorge]

honestly I dont read actives

LMAO

I mean yeah that shit cray

idk I am bad at balancing loading stuff Im not gonna state any of my opinions

[rocky hawk]

its pretty punishing but if you build fully into it you can probably turn it into a free win

but on an active that leaves you with jack shit other encounters?

[jolly gorge]

I just dont play loaders ever so I dont know what it feels like to have to reload vs not, I only know that this basically means that you use a core power to functionally gain 1d6 bonus damage on ur heavy mount at the cost of 1d3 each time you fire til end of scene

[rocky hawk]

sort of

yeah

[jolly gorge]

manticore core power gives you heat resistance for a bit and when it detonates a nuclear catastrophe occurs and everyone dies so

idk it's crazy but like, the rest of the mech is kinda weak so

[rocky hawk]

core powers that win the encounter are pretty common

gorgon

[jolly gorge]

initiative is something that really do be in the game and rapid stabilization jets is very intentionally massively worse

[rocky hawk]

exactly

[jolly gorge]

I had a setup @LL9 or 10 I forget, flying melee assasin, flying gorgon that used supersonic to dive with her, core power, go on, swing at my pookie bear, swing at my waifu see what happens

so completely immortal melee diver that was doing shit loads of damage like a melee diver should be

we have a core power tier list too lmao

we have so many of these

[rocky hawk]

gorgon my behated

[unkempt iron]

My bff changed up their whole character plan to run a naga

Playing a defecting SSC pilot who helps people on a diasporan world try and expose the corp for poisoning their water and air, and he gets goodies from an anonymous group (horus splinter cell) for doing so

Ends up liberating an nhp from a ssc black site and gets into toxic yaoi with his walking wifi router which keeps animorphing into a snake

[finite wyvern]

naga is cool because Bella looked at Hydra statline and said "ok but what if this frame wasn't entirely centered on drones"

(in my head at least I had a vision)

Horus finally remembered how to give their mechs a functional repair module

We still haven't gotten to the part where we install reactors with more than one heat sink but we're working on it

[rocky hawk]

I HATE DRONES RAAAAA

[finite wyvern]

why :(

Did tempest drone knock you back into a pit or something on a sitrep???

[rocky hawk]

slow the down the game

nothing wrong with them mechanically but having a ton out makes things a slog to manage

[gloomy lotus]

I did my best not to

[rocky hawk]

In general not that specific combat

[unkempt iron]

What is maidens blush generally trying to use to teleport to turn invisible? Is it just fold knife and singularity motivator?

[rocky hawk]

Or step

The best thing to use it with is zip type later

But there's a ton of options

Knife is the most basic one though

[unkempt iron]

Oh wait, hunter zip type engine goes nutty

[unkempt iron]

Wait what is step

[rocky hawk]

Step of mist and thunder

Core active and passive both teleport

[rocky hawk]

Hunter/skirmisher zip type maidens blush is really powerful

That's part of why the anti hide loop measures were so important

[unkempt iron]

Yeah that makes sense

It also feels fair that multiple options require you to get attacked, whether thats by taking damage or being missed

[rocky hawk]

Maidens blush is still probably a little pushed, but the liscence is kinda weak and as a melee frame with no heavy mount it's always gonna fall behind

[unkempt iron]

Yeah the debuff on crit plus reroll when you decloak is good, and the reactive teleport which could potentially be a free attack is also really good

Idk how I feel about the nanowire sword though

[rocky hawk]

Support striker

Sword is weird

It's kind of bad but also kind of nuts

[unkempt iron]

Duelist and opcal probably turn it into a blender

[jolly gorge]

var sword is just very GRIT dependent

grit 6 it's basically best in slot main melee

[rocky hawk]

3 ll in mourning cloak is a high price

[jolly gorge]

I mean not super @ LL12

[rocky hawk]

At ll12 you can afford it

Most people don't play ll12

At 6 it's an option

If you are stort and really want it

[jolly gorge]

yeah most people dont play LL12 but

like when the sword is good it is not hard to invest

[rocky hawk]

When you get there it tears ass

[jolly gorge]

was my point

the real problem with cloak 3 is that fade cloak is maybe the worst system in the game

[rocky hawk]

Lmao nah

[jolly gorge]

definitely up there

[rocky hawk]

Reactive weave

It's bad for sure but I have seen it used

Actually quite well weirdly enough

[jolly gorge]

????

I mean bracing is definitely suboptimal, but people like sagarmatha, for 1 SP get to become invis and teleport 1/scene

1 SP is just an insanely low cost for such a huge buff to bracing

bracing is def suboptimal but it's so low cost and it's such a big buff to it

[rocky hawk]

Brace is worse than suboptimal

It actively lets the op force snowball

If it was even a little more forgiving I'd say it's fine

But it's just so awful

[jolly gorge]

I mean ERM is just better than reactive weave if you take engi sure

ERM is incredibly good

but if you dont take engi ERM is hard to justify

[rocky hawk]

Erm

I don't know that acronym

Gilg 1?

[jolly gorge]

emergency repair module

gilg 1

[rocky hawk]

Yeah erm is just goated

Fuck needing engineering it still better than reactive

[jolly gorge]

eh I mean ERM at limited 1, I think is worse than reactive lol

[rocky hawk]

Nah cause even a limited one heal to full is worth at 1 system point

And it's you or an adjacent ally

It's probably one of the best 1 sp systems

Maybe the best

[jolly gorge]

fade cloak is a quick action to stop playing the game at random, or a full action to move through a wall once

reactive weave is better lol

[rocky hawk]

It may be circumstantial but I've seen fade cloak be good, I haven't seen reactive be good

Maybe if it happened it one of my games I'll believe it

[jolly gorge]

I've seen reactive weave get used to meaningful effect twice

none of my players have ever run fade cloak they would never throw like that

[jolly gorge]

before maiden's blush lost the invis upon being attacked it was genuine perma invis lmao

it had metalmark active forever

[rocky hawk]

Yeah

[rocky hawk]

And they brought weave?

It's crazy to see how much personal experience affects ranking

I still also think didymos sucks ass

[jolly gorge]

I mean that's objectively correct

[jolly gorge]

they were using a mech that hard sagarmatha-esque bracing

[rocky hawk]

I don't even know what it's SUPPOSED to do

[jolly gorge]

I mean it makes them immune to all statuses, conditions, e-war, etc.

until they get shot at

so if you know the witch is going next, and you're going, you can save the guy who is at risk from the witch

cuz witches cant really do 5 heat immediately

[rocky hawk]

If only the gm could choose the order NPCs activate

[jolly gorge]

they can but not if the witch is the only one that can go

because everyone else has gone

or if the other enemies are CC'd, like the melee has been heavy gunner'd and can now do nothing on its turn

[rocky hawk]

If the gm waits to activate the witch with tear down active last there are bigger problems

[jolly gorge]

well what if tear down isnt active

and they're going last to use it during that turn to get the second effect as quick as possible

[rocky hawk]

Then they just target someone else

[jolly gorge]

well what if there are no other good targets

no one else is in LOS, or have fat e-def's

[rocky hawk]

Then it's magical Christmas land and you can just kill the witch

Gm counterplay just turns didymos off

With so little effort

[jolly gorge]

I mean, lancers ensuring that NPC's only have one good target is VERY easy (I would argue it's very easy to ensure NPC's have NO good targets)

[rocky hawk]

Maybe so, but there are better tools for it than didymos

That don't fracture with 1 piece of interaction

I'm sure there are some people who have used it and had a fine time with it

But I bet more often than not it's either only been good because they misread it

Or the gm just plays nice

[jolly gorge]

yeah I mean the sysdtem is derfinitely not great

[rocky hawk]

For the ai cost too

[jolly gorge]

but it does give ur buddy an extra 5 heat of breathing room if they are beaing heat bullied, and it can allow you to threaten being in two places at once

[rocky hawk]

3 sp and limited

[jolly gorge]

and ingore any incoming conditions like the jam from chain

and the player who got didymos'd loses nothing because they can dissipate basically whenver they want at no cost

[rocky hawk]

Other than their turn

[jolly gorge]

no?

they can disspate at the end of anyone's turn

so just dissipate at the end of the turn before you want to go

[rocky hawk]

If they want to move with them to threaten location

[jolly gorge]

ah yeah well that is actually very niche

but making them immune to conditions and giving them an extra 5 heat is useful off their turn

and not particularly niche

[rocky hawk]

I would hard disagree

[jolly gorge]

still not great tho, since osiris is in the game as another 3 SP AI

[rocky hawk]

Osiris is just funny

I love osiris

[jolly gorge]

start with like, usually just better puppet systems, then go to frag sig, then no save stun, then the best effect in the game

one of my players almost always runs osiris

[rocky hawk]

It's really good so

Makes sense

With goblin?

[jolly gorge]

no he never plays goblin

[rocky hawk]

Shame, goblin is actually pretty good

[jolly gorge]

I mean he played lycan

[rocky hawk]

Yeah fair enough

[jolly gorge]

which is like, one of the best mechs in the game lol

[rocky hawk]

Checks out with your group

[jolly gorge]

he played lycan that campaign because he didnt trust his teamates to make good builds so he just made a lycan that solved every problem that could come up

because lycans can kinda just do that

[rocky hawk]

Claws...

[jolly gorge]

like lycan gets great e-war, great base stats, so you can make it a great heavy gunner e-war CC problem solver with excellent bulk and reasonable speed with an OC skirmisher setup, and then literally spend ONE talent point in executioner 1 to ALSO fill the role of INSANELY good melee DPS

[rocky hawk]

Who would think that a tech melee frame might be good

[jolly gorge]

you're stunned you're immobilized you're on my team now that hornet got one shot by my guaranteed hit gandiva missiles that doesnt hurt me Im bulky as fuck, go loud 3 people die

counterplay exists obviously, sniper, heat bullying, etc, but it's still pretty hard

[rocky hawk]

If I were your GM I'd be putting 5 spites against you each combat

[jolly gorge]

I was the gm for this one

I managed to kill him

[rocky hawk]

I'm glad

[jolly gorge]

he wasnt immortal and I did make some very mean combats

[rocky hawk]

That makes me happy

[jolly gorge]

but now that I am playing with him, and with that lycan, we do not lose ever

spites are definitely decently good at combating him, but he was blumb techno, so the jam isnt super meaningful unless I waste a skirmish preparing an attack on the pilot

which can be done but can be hard to do as well

[rocky hawk]

Oc loop punishing is just funny

But black thumb techno just solves that too

Like it does half of everything else

[jolly gorge]

yeah blumb techno is technically easy to stop

just shoot the pilot and he cant do it for a bit

[rocky hawk]

Aka like 1 round

[jolly gorge]

lol yeah

[rocky hawk]

Coreworms should instakill rodeod targets

Or ripper claws should let you kidnap them

[jolly gorge]

to be fair if you are OC looping without blumb techno, stop, why

[rocky hawk]

Low ll

[jolly gorge]

well then you arent looping unless ur stressing urself lol

[rocky hawk]

Stress is a resource

[jolly gorge]

your delusions of thermal management with that autocooler are impressive, genghis player

[jolly gorge]

I mean I guess but we treat stress as structure and refuse to take them unless it's funny

[rocky hawk]

Iast session I exploded the Genghis and amber phantom through meltdowns

1 hacker witch at ll3

[jolly gorge]

???????

throwing amber phantom

[rocky hawk]

They had techno thumb to be invis all the time

It was the last mission so they just kept over charging

[jolly gorge]

lmao??

no heatfall?

[rocky hawk]

Their first ever lancer game

[jolly gorge]

ah ok

makes more sense

[rocky hawk]

Plus the group doesn't minmax

[rocky hawk]

How would they

I'm the only minmaxer in the group as the gm and I don't like doing it for lancer

I'm a filthy 5e maxer

And pf2e but less so

[jolly gorge]

nothing wrong with maxing 5e the issue is playing 5e

I am a stern DnD hater

[rocky hawk]

I got better

I was rolling up with warlock multi class basically every campaign

Had a dm that said thirsting blade stacked with extra attack

[jolly gorge]

this is crazy lol

you minmax in the game that is much more RP focused, but DONT minmax in what is basically a wargame

[rocky hawk]

Min maxing is fun to carry a group that isn't maxed and would struggle without you

Min maxing to beat the gm is boring

But that's personal preference

[jolly gorge]

well it's not beating the GM, minmaxing in lancer is fun because it basically means that every "puzzle" is truly solveable

every fight you have a way to beat cleanly if you think hard enough and plan it right

if you dont that isnt always true

if you have 3 melee strikers and a lancaster, half of the "puzzles" posed to you in fights cannot be solved cleanly lol

[rocky hawk]

Its just not the type of minmaxing that speaks to me

I get the appeal for others

[jolly gorge]

fair enough

[rocky hawk]

I just don't like doing it

Plus my groups are typically

A little lower down

[jolly gorge]

(also the GM throwing an ultra and 4 NPC's at us all at once + reinforcements and not taking a single structure is fun)

so maybe it's a little bit about beating the GM

[rocky hawk]

I will say, if a campaign is going badly, I will swap to stort

[jolly gorge]

lmao

[rocky hawk]

I am doing it rn in fact because we lost a combat and almost lost a second

I had to explode to win that one

I was in a nelson btw

And carrying

(this was ll2 and the rest of the team didn't have their builds online)

[jolly gorge]

getting carried by a nelson is a travesty

[rocky hawk]

I also was the only one using a faction mechanic for extra reserves

Now I'm ll3 with a cannibal war pike stort

The build is so fucking scuffed though

I have skirmisher 1 :(

[dense cedar]

All I heard here was "Stress is a resource" and i really have to agree

[rocky hawk]

Fuck it we ball

Exploding wins combats

[dense cedar]

FUCK IT WE BALLLLLLLLL

[rocky hawk]

Had a combat with 90% templated enemies

You do what you gotta

Moved like 25 space in one turn to do an objective

Stressed twice

[dense cedar]

i just realized imma be hitting this in my next combat
i just marked an elite veteran mbt, im in range for my full barrage, im gonna be core siphon, crackshot, opcal railgunning THREE dudes in a line
and my ally has field analyst up to +3
so im bouta do like 5d6+4 to that mbt
so fuckin excited

[timber nacelle]

wait, how did you get all three of those at LL3?

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/nitro-red-line-race-gif-14227593

[jolly gorge]

reserves

[timber nacelle]

fair enough

[rocky hawk]

Reserves through faction mechanics

Doing specific actions in and out of combat gives ipsn rep and can be exchanged for ipsn specific reserves

Which I hard focused on and saved up to cannibal

2 LL in stort 1 in nelson

Just for the threat on the main to crit with

[timber nacelle]

I think I spend too much time on the lancer subreddit where it has to be explained far too often that you need to get license ranks in order

[rocky hawk]

Lmao

I did a bunch of shit to get that

Immediately paid off

[jolly gorge]

ah so respecting licenses and how many you should have at any given level is a common thing to not do

I give my players money for doing sidequests that they can buy licences with

though it isnt usually enough to get 6 licenses @ LL3 lol

[rocky hawk]

It doesn't give liscences

Limited use gear

I had to invest a bunch to get a ll3 item

At base it's just like a temp bulwark mods or something

[misty lance]

so reserves?

[rocky hawk]

Yep

Only got the cannibal nothing else

[dense cedar]

I should interact with factiony stuff in the future more
it might be logical in my current campaign soon? unsure, depends how certain narrative stuff of massive ramifications goes. I might end up with a very strong faction backing me

[jolly gorge]

I mean to be fair

that's basically caliban's entire license

nothing else is really worth it to a stort

[abstract stump]

Hm, I wonder how a Koremasa/Atlas would feel like to play. Double the Ninja, Double the Shenanigans, at least on paper.

[rocky hawk]

I think phase cloud would be pretty good on atlas and koremasa could totally use Jaeger kunst

[abstract stump]

Phase Cloud is pretty nice, I like a good defensive feature for the squishier units. Atlas does have Jaeger Dodge though as a feature so...hm. Its still cool though.

Primrose is SO cool though. I love me a good Gunblade XD. Never seen a frame with two superheavy weapons with a focus on Threat! Also love the Evasion Passive. I assume the 8 Evasion is to balance that Passive yeah?

(Yes I am kinda going all over the place now that I got time to look properly lol)

[rocky hawk]

Exactly

[abstract stump]

I figured. Still, an Evasion Build might still be fairly viable. I am quite curious.

Ah, it resets though after the 3rd miss. Hm, odd but interesting.

[rocky hawk]

It's to keep it stacking too high, 12 evasion is the breakpoint for 20

[finite wyvern]

Wait where is the gunblade?

I just saw blade wher gun

[rocky hawk]

Acrasial Falcata biting retort

[abstract stump]

Primrose. Acrasial Falcata. Or at least it's description says it is one.

[finite wyvern]

oooh it's ranged

[abstract stump]

Ranged? I mean...its got threat, so technically yes? Plus other features to extend the threat.

Eh, I am nitpicking. There many ways to make a gunblade. This way works pretty well.

[finite wyvern]

oh I mean the retort is ranged?

[abstract stump]

Is it???

[rocky hawk]

its LoS

they have to miss you with a melee attack but

[abstract stump]

Thats whats tripping me up. The Melee Attack part?

[rocky hawk]

okay so you can superheavy mounting on a rakshasa and then use entrap

they melee attack you from up to range 20 and you can retort them

[jolly gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[finite wyvern]

+PARRIED

[rocky hawk]

range 20 parry my beloved

[unkempt iron]

would entrap work for that? it specifies range and not threat

[rocky hawk]

its meant to

ill edit up the wording for clarity

[unkempt iron]

Ohh ok cool

[rocky hawk]

technically you now get overwatched if you move

but its a free action so you should be moving first anyway

[gloomy lotus]

Does Myconid allow for field analyst 1 to be used twice on the same attack

[rocky hawk]

well you dont have 2 reactions per turn so you dont have the actions for it

[gloomy lotus]

Ohhhhh

My bad

[formal chasm]

sixth voice update; it's everywhere. and by it. heh. lets justr say. my pog.

[rocky hawk]

i love that emoji

[gloomy lotus]

Whaddaya mean with everywhere?

[formal chasm]

everywhere

[rocky hawk]

all over the screen

[abstract stump]

Trying to theory craft a LL6 Primrose using the Acrasial Falcata as the primary focus, and I already hate myself cause I have unrealistic things i wanna do lol. I love ALOT of the Primrose's features XD.

Any suggestions that I might be blind to? Cheers!

[rocky hawk]

it heavily depends on what you wanna do

some people max the threat and do a spin/executioner build

spin gives you a damage option even if you boost

evasion maxing for trying to land retorts

can get pankrati online

[abstract stump]

I'll try to narrow it down then, thanks! A lot of these just sound so cool to do, I gotta use that silly long threat gunblade action XD.

[rocky hawk]

for sure! feel free to drop the build in here later

[abstract stump]

Sure will! it will certainly be...experimental. I am a tad rusty on the crafting XD

[rocky hawk]

people have done some crazy stuff so dont worry

phase cloud, emergency armature spam gilg was really funny

[abstract stump]

Well, here is my attempt. Not entirely satisfied with this idea, was just kinda going with the general vibes XD. I'm sure there's a better idea somewhere. Maybe replace the Variable sword with a ranged option instead. Again, not the main focus as it's all eyes on that Falcata. (Then again, it is also late so my brain is fuzzy too lol. Maybe tomorrow.)

-- SSC Primrose @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
SSC Primrose 3, SSC Mourning Cloak 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Full Subjectivity Sync, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
Executioner 3, Pankrati 3, Exemplar 2, Spaceborn 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:5 SYS:0 ENGI:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+0
SPD:7 EVA:15 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
MAIN MOUNT: Variable Sword
HEAVY MOUNT: Acrasial Falcata (DDMR) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
Flourishing Twirl x3, Singularity Motivator, Armament Redundancy

Ignore the previous one, I just realized Duelist 3 works on ALL Melee weapons, so....may as well XD.

-- SSC Primrose @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
SSC Primrose 3, IPS-N Tortuga 1, IPS-N Caliban 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Full Subjectivity Sync, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
Executioner 3, Duelist 3, Pankrati 2, Exemplar 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:5 SYS:0 ENGI:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:5
TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+0
SPD:7 EVA:15 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
MAIN MOUNT: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
MAIN MOUNT: Rend Axe
HEAVY MOUNT: Acrasial Falcata (DDMR) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
Flourishing Twirl x3, Armament Redundancy, Siege Ram

[rocky hawk]

Looks sick, I love using rend axe to get duelist procs

[jolly gorge]

purple thorn works about as expected btw

artillery that does decent damage

[rocky hawk]

busted ?

[jolly gorge]

a bit short range for sure due to the nature of being an aux user

[jolly gorge]

nah

we using the newest LCP

[rocky hawk]

how mobile did it end up being

[jolly gorge]

we did one combat that was a holdout so it onyl ever used vigil to teleport back to where it started

it just peeked out, barraged, killed a guy, TP'd back

[rocky hawk]

fair enough

[jolly gorge]

holdouts in general are just like that

we didnt really get to use stalk the horizon since we never wanted to end our turn in LOS of anyone since a lot of the map was artilleries and we dont outrange even someone like an assault

we were conserving limiteds super hard since we thought the fight was gonna be harder so we didnt use literally any of its systems tho

[jolly gorge]

wasnt hard tho

[rocky hawk]

hmm

[jolly gorge]

8 enemies dead in 2 rounds, 0 damage taken

[rocky hawk]

what about blinkbolts?

did they use those or oracles

[jolly gorge]

nexus lights

team needed a smart artillery

[rocky hawk]

hmm i could make them smart

[jolly gorge]

and centimane is extremely good

he rolled like absolute ass so he never got any centimanes lol but still

[jolly gorge]

not very many smart artillery weapons

other than nanocomping them but nanocomp is nanocomp

team comp was Iskander, Cassin, Rubicon, Purple Thorn, Tagetes

[rocky hawk]

what about the range on em

[jolly gorge]

increasing blink bolt range is too much since they are seeking

I think you could maybe justify giving purple thorn a method to increase its range

cuz ye it did like, typical LL3 artillery damage but it was pretty close ranged for an artillery

[rocky hawk]

other than hyperfocus?

[jolly gorge]

hyperfocus is a good way of helping its range, and vigil + shooting the shredder cannon as well

but like

we really do NOT want to shoot the shredder cannon on a gunslinger aux spammer

massive loss to gunslinger/turn maximizing

[rocky hawk]

true but sometimes you gotta kill a pyro

[jolly gorge]

I think speed 3 is jusst rough lol

[rocky hawk]

i mean its got basically 6 bonus movement

[jolly gorge]

kinda but that is only useful once you've already gotten in range with your weapons

IMO the shredder's primary purose is to pop vigil to get in range to use the aux's

just one fight, for now my opinions on the purple thorn is that it is an artillery that does damage and not much else, just like most other artilleries

I dont think it's broken or anything

we will see when it's no longer a holdout sitrep how vigil plays, but for now vigil basically just makes the mech a speed 6, it walks out, shoots, tp's back to its hidy hole

but ye holdouts are a strange testing environment for any mech with mobility traits so opinions are subject to change

[jolly gorge]

specifically it is a holdout that doesnt have a frontline, 3 reinforcements/turn coming from all sides

so you simply arent allowed to leave the center of the map because you'll make it so you cant do anything during your next turn when enemies reinforce from the other side

Im not playing the mech, so I cant say too much for how fun it is, but @ LL3 it felt quite simple, which is either good or bad depending on what your intent is

[rocky hawk]

fair enough

[unkempt iron]

What are the cassin and Rubicon from?

[jolly gorge]

Freistride Chassisworks

my LCP

it's on itch, in announcements, and on comp/con, probably poor form to link my own itch page in bela's forum lol

[rocky hawk]

lmao idk

idc

push your shit

[jolly gorge]

ok lol ty

https://sigo1.itch.io/freistride-chassisworks

#1433525218986426379

[rocky hawk]

jane freistride

[jolly gorge]

it's currently in the process of getting its own 2.0

but for that to come out I have to stop contemplating the complete removal of Camus

and finish the new mechs lol

[jolly gorge]

if you ever get the chance I would be interested to hear your input on the test LCP in its current state, so so many systems have been reworked

[rocky hawk]

ill take a second look when i get the chance

got work for the next couple days

[jolly gorge]

the mechs are mostly the same, I liked them for the most part, but the license equipment has seen massive changes to be, well, usable lmao

the launch LCP suffered from the licenses being an afterthought to the mech, which I feel I have fixed

[bright flint]

frothing at the mouth at the idea of running Executioner Primrose with a DDMR + Gyges Acrasial and Flourishing Twirl

critically hit someone and proceed to do 3 damage to everyone within range 6. also someone goes prone.
quick action to hit everyone in range 6 for 5 kinetic if they fail an agility save
activate core power -> wormhole grasp and have a range 7 around yourself that just tortures enemies

[rocky hawk]

god gave mankind swords with which to spin

[bright flint]

primrose is hilarious for threat-maxing. very similar to empakaai in that regard honestly.

i also wanna highlight the Naga because i think it's fun and cool
feels like a horus equivalent to the swallowtail. swallowtail if it was fucked up and evil

[rocky hawk]

swallowtail if it jumped you in a dark ally

[bright flint]

exactly! lovely idea and i really like it. a friend of mine wanted to run a melee swallowtail a long time ago and i was like "Im not sure if that'd really be possible :/" and i've been so excited to show them Naga

[dense cedar]

Naga and prim seem especially popular lately

[rocky hawk]

people like hot women with big weapons

and thats only a couple of degrees of seperation

[bright flint]

fair enough-- i'd say it's because they're some of the standout wackiest mechs in the lcp
i actually really like purple thorn too though. me when i have to attack with every single weapon on my mech because im bored.

other mechs i wanna praise cause i love this lcp a lot

• fitzgerald is so cool, i love any mech that destroys a lot of terrain and can reshape the battlefield (even if as a GM it makes me go insane having to add all the tiles and remove stuff 😭)
• hazard is perfectly underwhelming. you don't think it's good because none of the text is anything crazy like "[Secret Technique: Black Hole Heart] deal 40d10 damage to an enemy", but just the text of Weight of Fire is insanely influential. I don't care if i'm unlucky take all my damage.

• leoleth is hilarious. i love this thing. it stands out so hard among the other mech as a literal screaming barbarian that skirmishes way more than it probably should and has weapons that produce scary looking (but fairly balanced) damage numbers. hysterical stuff. having a passive that's just incoherent screaming on the scary lesbian mech is also just super fitting
• koremasa feels really natural to lancer? i'm a little surprised HA didn't have a dedicated tech attacker, koremasa just fits that role so well.

[rocky hawk]

im really glad taht people like them! it means to a lot

im really happy with how all of the new mechs came out

[bright flint]

they're so cool dudeeee!!! i love em, they're all really cool. the only one i have anything other than absolute ceaseless praise for is actually Slaugh, because i'm not... quite sure what it's trying to do?

it feels like. a more offensive emperor?

[rocky hawk]

sluagh is weird as hell thats very fair

[bright flint]

and for the record its not even that i dislike slaugh it's that i've read it a handful of times and i'm still not quite sure how i'd build it

having more nexus is always nice though

to be especially precise the nightfare is lovely for all centimane + gunslinger builds

[rocky hawk]

its like an emperor gorgon hybrid

you can build it as a tech attacker/ defender

or an oversheild defender

or a controller

[bright flint]

ahhhh, makes sense. i hadn't fully considered the defender side of it but with that sort of, in my head-- i can see it a lot better. i like it! it doesnt stand out with the same boldness as the other mechs of the LCP but it's very cool all the same

[rocky hawk]

its got a little more power in the liscence than the mech for sure

The morigan nhp and o trickery are kind of goated

bleakshadow has the potential to be kind of nuts

[bright flint]

and plus for every mech that stands out like a diamond-- blackbeard and tokugawa and all these wild and crazy gimmicky but terrifying mechs, there's stuff like minotaur and sherman that don't have such visual shine but are just as powerful. slaugh feels like that to me

[rocky hawk]

minotaur is a frame i really wanna like but just cant

calendula is just so freaky

[bright flint]

you dont see how powerful it is when looking at it unless you start to piece it together and then see it has a lot of options that make things happen when it isnt its turn but dont require a reaction

that's really cool to have honestly

[bright flint]

i LOVE calendula so much man it's so cool

[rocky hawk]

spooky fucking dave

ive never had a calendula be anything other than nuts

[bright flint]

it's always menacing as hell to see any mech that can use intangible on purpose instead of being inflicted it and having a heart attack

[dense cedar]

fitz comment is so real
the player in me goes "I love everything with terrain stuff! The Finals capitalizes on it so well, and with this it's more accessible in Lancer!"
the GM in me goes "MY FUCKIN MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP"

[bright flint]

at times it can almost feel like that one clip of JJK with mahoraga walking through malevolent shrine. doesnt matter how much you try to target me an i dont exist.

https://giphy.com/gifs/sukuna-jujutsukaisen-adapt-NtAVqKS7RHKVWxIPQA

this shit. how it feels to go intangible and walk through dangerous terrain and traps

[rocky hawk]

holy fuck thats so funny

[bright flint]

fucking actually though

[rocky hawk]

i got a hack for that

[bright flint]

yeah?

[rocky hawk]

i use the terrain hight map tool in foundry and have a black one that i just use for destroyed terrain

so it basically greys out any destroyed areas

[dense cedar]

i knew you were gonna say that

[gloomy lotus]

Had

[dense cedar]

unfortunately

[bright flint]

oh that's genius

oh that's fucking genius

[rocky hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26627327

no foundry

[bright flint]

i need to start doing that. hold on i.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpyAOhE0YeA

[dense cedar]

I use the drawing tool in Foundry
because with it I can color code
which I haven't seen with Terrain Height Mapper
also like
i can do weird stuff, like objective zone, stairs, soft cover, ingress zones, deployment zone

[rocky hawk]

it literally does all of that

ill show you

[bright flint]

actually does sixth voice feature any intangible shenanigans? i've read the whole LCP but i cant recall off the top of my head rn

[rocky hawk]

lemme get my foundry open

[rocky hawk]

no, not something i really wanted to touch

its so hard to balance around

[bright flint]

that's completely fair and real

[dense cedar]

wait it has color coding????

[rocky hawk]

yeah

[bright flint]

intangible is incredibly hard to work with because it's literally just. i'm going to fundamentally alter the gameplay now.

[rocky hawk]

interactionless

[dense cedar]

well
no shade to my main GM
but I suppose they're just a lil lazy for that

[gloomy lotus]

Gonna make a seventh voice lcp and make it an intangible lich alt and nothin else

[dense cedar]

i assumed it didnt have color coding

[bright flint]

you're functionally making a second identical battlemap to the first and it's really hard to make anything capable of doing that which doesn't have the potential for some nightmarish shit

[bright flint]

like calendula literally leaves an exit door when it pulls people in and it doesnt matter because it can effectively prompt a 1v1 with anything on the field

[rocky hawk]

black bit is the destroyed, the green is demployment

blue is a terrain type to indicate false idols

[dense cedar]

eigth voice
mech with super-mega-ultra speakers
"hey lil mama lemme whisper in ya ear" and you fucking explode

[rocky hawk]

theres a red for enemy zone too

i just have a bunch that i can use for whatever

[gloomy lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/chis-marie-i-do-that-gif-13535628

[dense cedar]

well bela you just made my life easier

[bright flint]

i kinda wanna see what calendula would make good use of in sixth voice all of a sudden now

[dense cedar]

woahg

[rocky hawk]

those are your false idols lmao yeah

[gloomy lotus]

Ye :]

I happy

[rocky hawk]

and you can litterally place them by selecting the type and then just each hex you want

its like

so easy

[gloomy lotus]

I’m actually in the picture too

[dense cedar]

my teammate uses a like glitched-up mini of their mech for false idol

[dense cedar]

which one

[rocky hawk]

high cost of living

[bright flint]

.......melee calendula with leoleth levels to maximize the amount of violence

[rocky hawk]

actually kind of a goated idea but you dont get to use the damn axe

but you can force them to run around for the zones with thunder sword

dollarstore booming blade

[bright flint]

yeahhhh but if you want to escape from the intangible dimension you need to move away
and you're slowed because you're near a void husk and will take damage from trying to run away because of thunder sword

unfortunately this does get countered pretty hard by enemies who are willing to just beat your face in instead of fleeing

[gloomy lotus]

High cost of living which is from the visual novel “If found…” is a song by the fake band in there. Is written by The Threat

[dense cedar]

kinda side note
Bela you are so based for making a license (naga) with weapons that are exclusively SP cost-having ones

[rocky hawk]

smart seeking thrown my beloved

[dense cedar]

Is it a primrose with like 6 threat?

[bright flint]

ARC gets a lot of utility with this though actually because i mean
theres no risk of friendly fire if im on a different layer of reality from the friendlies

[gloomy lotus]

Nah is a Rakshasa. I play horus

[rocky hawk]

Arc my beloved

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/arc-raiders-gif-12268578682245060161

[rocky hawk]

jorg just murders you

[dense cedar]

somebody say ARC?

[bright flint]

and enemies trying to flee from you are slowed because they're within burst 2 of a void husk usually

honestly jorg + thundersword calendula is a hype idea

[gloomy lotus]

Oh by the way this is only because I name all of my mechs after songs

[rocky hawk]

thats so goated actually

only issue is that you need a hell of a heatcap for it

[bright flint]

well i mean atp you're at least LL5 and have 3 Harrison

[rocky hawk]

2 for each thundersword and you have an aux that will give you a third

yeah fair enough

[bright flint]

building at LL6 is what i usually do to see like. Optimal Performance™ so
mourning cloak 1, minotaur 2, leoleth 3

mourning just for fold knives cause being able to move more means being able to deny the enemy places to move

[rocky hawk]

oooh

thats a good idea

[bright flint]

lemme put something together here give me a moment my brain is firing on all cylinders

the talents for this are tricky, though

[rocky hawk]

duelist 1 and honestly, could just full send into techno thumb

fuck it we ball, jorg is never turning off

[bright flint]

oh shit that's real actually

i was thinking duelist 3, hunter 1, pankrati 1 but keeping jorg up forever is hilarious

hunter 1 for mobility to keep locking down people who are trying to escape into a void husk, duelist 3 to prone/shove them away and stop them from leaving

but tech 3/ black thumb 2/ duelist 3/ pank 1 is actually a crazy good split

[dense cedar]

ah, the cyberpunk method, we stan it

[jolly gorge]

Hunter 3 is also really good with tsword on calendula

Since you can proc a core integrated + disdainful blade with the tsword free action

[bright flint]

no room for hunt 3 on this bc of techthumb

[jolly gorge]

Ye if you take techthumb you can’t

[jolly gorge]

And then full tech

[rocky hawk]

hunter 3 is kind of bad on it anyway

[jolly gorge]

Zero overcharge, skirmish + full tech

[rocky hawk]

cause you dont want MORE attacks

[bright flint]

are we thinking of the same tsword

[gloomy lotus]

??? Cyberpunk? I just did it because it sounded cool to me

[jolly gorge]

Oh maybe not lol

[bright flint]

tsword is the one that hurts if you move, it doesnt have a free action

[rocky hawk]

Tsword is what i

[jolly gorge]

Oh lmao whoops

I’m thinking of the primrose sword

Free action to skirmish at start of turn

[bright flint]

thought so yeah, the uh

rend axe or w/e

[jolly gorge]

Yeah that one

Nah ye hunter 3 not good here

Nvm

[dense cedar]

i just call it that because Cyberpunk 2077 was my first exposure to any person or piece of media using solely song titles for any kind of list.
The entirety of Cyberpunk 2077 uses solely song titles for every single one of its I'm guessing like 250 quests.

[gloomy lotus]

Nah I memorised more songs than that

[bright flint]

-- HORUS Calendula @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Mourning Cloak 1, HORUS Minotaur 2, HA Leoleth 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Superior by Design, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Duelist 3, Black Thumb 2, Pankrati 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:7 EDEF:10 SENSE:8 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN/AUX MOUNT: Thunder Sword (GreenLight Projection) / Fold Knife // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Jörmungandr-Class NHP, Aggressive System Sync, Viral Logic Suite, W.I.N.G x4```

[dense cedar]

but have you done 250 mechs

[rocky hawk]

smelly joe

[bright flint]

mission objective:
find a guy i dont like
drag him into a different reality with me
turn on jormun and refuse to let them leave ever

WING is just here because its nice

viral logic and ASS are both ways to stop you from running away from me

[gloomy lotus]

Not yet. In terms of homebrew ideas I got to 147 though (none of which were alt frames)

[bright flint]

you take a lot of chip damage with this over time but like

just be built diff

just dont die 5head

[dense cedar]

jesus...

[jolly gorge]

Calendula is really good at not dying too so

[gloomy lotus]

Do you want the list?

[bright flint]

dont question my mech names.

[jolly gorge]

Oh shit, I don’t like this situation! protocol to just stop playing the game

(Calendula hater)

[dense cedar]

unfortunately not really
my brain already has so much homebrew in it
and im tired

[bright flint]

oh the idea with this is deliberately to drag someone into the intangible space with you and, while they try to flee to a void husk, force them to stay in close with you and repeatedly slam them back to stay in a 1v1

it's a "Run away from me i dare you bitch" build

[gloomy lotus]

Understandable. I doubt the list will ever be transcribed fully. Which lead to me now starting to write a ttrpg instead

[jolly gorge]

Oh yeah but like, if a fight goes south, you can always just hide in your pocket dimension

You can hide in a pocket dimension and stabilize without fear

[bright flint]

well its sorta the opposite with this
you're pulling them into your pocket dimension to fight them there, and if anything goes wrong leaving the pocket dimension to go hide with your allies

[jolly gorge]

Ok well you don’t lose the 1v1 lol

And you’re not always gonna be in a 1v1 calendula is slow

[bright flint]

with this build you almost use your intangibility more like a domain expansion to some degree
a "come be in an isolated space with me where there is like 2 ways out and im going to beat you over the head for running from me"

[jolly gorge]

But ye I gotchu

[rocky hawk]

DOMAIN EXPANSION

i just kill you

[bright flint]

that's why you run all the stuff you do, to stop them from being able to get away with you
intangible to approach them, pull them in with you, then they're stuck in close and fleeing to a void husk will result in taking tons of damage

[jolly gorge]

Yeah the protocol to become intangible to approach is what I mean

Sniper? I don’t feel like dealing with that

[bright flint]

ah yeah in that regard

[jolly gorge]

Archer? I hardly know her!

[bright flint]

trapping the sniper in my intangible dimension with me and breaking every bone in their body

[jolly gorge]

You’re only “vulnerable” to the guy ur 1v1ing and you better not lose that

I had a calendula player I am speaking from malice

The protocol is dumb lmao

Enemies can use prepared actions to punish it but it’s still dumb

[rocky hawk]

prepared actions suck

[jolly gorge]

Incredibly fun system

Absurdly jank

ABSURDLY jank lmao

[bright flint]

i came to the sudden realization that i had a vanilla lancer pilot who was Atlas + Calendula that was trying to do the same gimmick as smelly joe but couldnt
so i've uh

turned him in to smelly joe

this is The Tiansu Star and it's an abomination

the kitbashing on this could use some (a lot) of work but i like it

[jolly gorge]

I’m a basher myself, if you ever need tips I’m happy to provide

[bright flint]

oh no i dont do it often enough to warrant asking for tips right now

[jolly gorge]

Looks good tho, the white outlines definitely aren’t helping but that’s just the nature of trying to crop it out of the white background

I understand not wanting to subscribe to retrograde lol

[bright flint]

some of my other work is better/worse/different. i'll dump the ones im actually proud of real fast uh

[jolly gorge]

Oh THAT white outline is intentional lol

[bright flint]

it both is and isnt

it wasnt intentional at first but as time went on it became something i use to my advantage to add a little silhouette

[bright flint]

most i'll say because it's not really anybody's place to put up with my BS is that i'm disabled and in an area that isnt very condusive to being disabled and having a job-- but because of that i straight up cannot subscribe to retrograde, i do not have money. so i've been having to learn to kitbash to make mechs that arent colored terribly

[jolly gorge]

I understand, subscriptions very much so add up financially

[bright flint]

yeah, point is to me kitbashing isn't something i do as much for fun as i do out of a lack of means to draw mechs myself in a way i can reliably upload to a digital format and to make mechs that dont look abysmal without it
i do enjoy it but it takes a LOT of time to make them

[jolly gorge]

Coloring is very hard, you’ve done a great job so far

[bright flint]

thanks man

this is the last of the kitbashes i have that i'm actually proud of. i made it for a player in my OSR campaign's everest

[jolly gorge]

Oh yeah that looks great

[bright flint]

yeah it's my most recent work

[jolly gorge]

Excellent job

[bright flint]

i didn't ever actually finish it fully though

i wanted to make more of the tiny details have their own colors and do something for the revolver

[jolly gorge]

Coloring guns… so so hard

[bright flint]

yeah

[jolly gorge]

lol

[bright flint]

if you look closely you can really see alll the parts im dissatisfied with, but as a token you won't notice any of it

[jolly gorge]

Yeah that’s what I was gonna say tokens are small, tiny details won’t be seen

[bright flint]

personally ive been super grateful though
there's like an actual, really talented digital artist in my most recent campaign (on hold for a bit bc of them but its fine)
and they do basic recolors for people's mechs, and it's

so nice

like this is their mech

[jolly gorge]

Oh the robes are excellently done

[bright flint]

it's fuckin stunning dude

beautiful dusk wing

i also have no shame talking abt my campaign here bc my campaign is actually running sixth voice and hardvac blues as homebrew supplements

it's uh, winter scar-- but i figured my players would get a lot out of it (and they have)

[jolly gorge]

Dude I don’t know how people get by in campaigns without an artist lol, I’m the artist for all my campaigns and these campaigns don’t work without art lol

And art commissions are expensive as hell

I guess Pinterest lol

[bright flint]

yeah i have 2 other artists but uh
one is me and i need to kitbash everything or use free token sets (which i do a lot. massive shoutout to FineHatMandy's VSAF token collection on retrograde), and the other has some self esteem issues and only occasionally makes art for their mechs but it's SO good

like hold on

i'm gonna ask his permission to share it it's literally so good

this one is slightly unfinished-- it's a white witch

and this was their first ever mech in this game, a goblin!

[jolly gorge]

Those are very nice, mechs are very very hard to draw lol

[bright flint]

which like dude his art fucks i love it so much

grimaldi is such a cute mech too it's adorableeee

[rocky hawk]

i love the drug headpiece

[jolly gorge]

6’7

[rocky hawk]

jester bug drug tech machine

[bright flint]

oh yeah no their character was entirely out of it on stimulants like all the time

or well, sedatives not stimulants

here's some art of them and the character i was playing in that campaign. as one would assume they are the clown.
it heavily used its ref image and he was still improving but it's the only image i have on-hand of Laplace

[rocky hawk]

i love clowns

[spare dune]

I love my tgirl mech pilot :3

[rocky hawk]

man a jester mech would go so hard

[spare dune]

I AGREE

[jolly gorge]

goblin pilot
clown

Checks out

[rocky hawk]

and trans

[bright flint]

hey its the guy who makes this good ass art

[rocky hawk]

trans women love goblins

[bright flint]

horus pilot
juggalo
trans
the sky is also blue today

[jolly gorge]

Trans women need to lock in on the meta

[spare dune]

Also Vivian it’s WHITE Witch not Black Witch

[bright flint]

woops

[spare dune]

Fork found in socket

[bright flint]

i think we should bring laplace back and put her in a rakshasa

grimaldi but size 1.

[spare dune]

Laplace in anything not size half is too much of a threat

[rocky hawk]

i CAN i just dont want to

[bright flint]

HOLDV ON WHILE I HAVE IT ON MY BRAIN ACTUALLY

RAKSHASA. WHY WOULD I DO THIS

[spare dune]

She needs as little hp as possible to keep her humble so she doesn’t go insane

[bright flint]

i dont understand why i'd do this

[rocky hawk]

its the strongest option and its not even close

[bright flint]

really????

why

[rocky hawk]

orator, field analyist, no roll to hit

[bright flint]

cause scanning is the same as an invade anway so why n-

[jolly gorge]

You could use a goblin, but if we at LL6+, just use its goated systems on fuckin ANYONE else

[bright flint]

o h

i forgot. about. that.

o h

[rocky hawk]

just free, uncounterable