Idk how I feel about the trident
#Project Silverfish
safe root
On the one hand the scorcher is a much better emergency spraygun and I have lots of things that punch through armor besides the scorcher
On the other hand it is very funny
grand wave
yeah lmao
rancid valve
MORE URBAN ENVIRONS YEEAAH
grand wave
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grand wave
get sniped
artifacts to docks and slums are nice
ALSO
I MISSED IT
BUT
map update!
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NPCs also can't shoot me through walls anymore either.
Which is nice because that's gotten me killed way too many times
grand wave
yeah, all of their sightlines, spray/recoil control, and targeting in general have been fixed
from a few bugs
huh.
started a new save file
right out the gate, there's a rando stalker with 30-06 enchanted (tracers)
candid harbor
best m-35 dungeon run ever, didn't bring anything for the armor locker so I missed that but ho-lee. rev helm + stopwatch
got a blowtorch from a trade so I did the bank too
zinc loom
So I dug around on the test map to figure out what new weapons there were
And
||There's a coilgun variant with an actual scope now||
That has to be the best sniper in the game
shut totem
Has anyone been to the new area yet? I start a new character every patch so I haven't got around to checking it out yet.
candid harbor
Yes. Gunsmith has a pretty neat selection and there are many fascists and bandits to shoot
There's also an innie base but it's not done yet
safe root
Also really easy to get out of bounds
atomic surge
I have Tier 3 High Jump on a new character and many maps are unprepared
candid harbor
when in doubt: Have your enemies blow each other up
Seargent Major said fire on the yellow smoke and by god I will fulfill that order - NFTA artillery Conscript
atomic surge
Y'know, you think you're used to the robots what scream lines from ancient television shows up until roughly 25 of them burst from the pitch-black
rancid valve
"Back up, Gaylord!" x25
candid harbor
instant perma random mode!
candid harbor
bitter onyx
Oh thats a neat option
atomic surge
So this thing in T-1806. Can uh. Can it die? Or am I barking up the wrong tree here
shut totem
No.
You can avoid it or try to lure it into the trench at the entrance but that doesn't always work
atomic surge
o7
Just wanted to get the thought of '||this is the other prototype eather drill||' outta my brain without just bashing against this thing
rancid valve
its pretty easy to outrun with the ||stopwatch||
zinc loom
Been playing some more, explored the new area
My life for a .45 smg with a laser sight 😔
And ||being able to craft the silenced shotgun at the gunsmith||
The gunsmiths selection is honestly very disappointing, unless it's randomized
candid harbor
It is an early game area after all, and there are a few nice picks in there. But you can sidestep the need for it by rushing chests or turning the progression curve off and getting higher end stuff that way
It is very nice that it doubles as a place with a great ammo supply
safe root
The gunsmiths selection is honestly very disappointing, unless it's randomized
Some of it is hidden and you can get an ||upgraded coilgun|| which is pretty sick
zinc loom
Some of it is hidden and you can get an ||upgraded coilgun|| which is pretty sic...
Hidden you say? I was wondering how you got that
Do you need to ||bring the coilgun with you to the gunsmith|| to see it?
zinc loom
Yeeee
Will do that next time I hop on then! Thanks for the heads up
zinc loom
Alright, done
My setup is now Absurd
Heavy armor, a helmet that is the helmet spartans wear, a real sword, a sidearm that's just a 5.56 rifle, an automatic 50 cal, and a railgun
safe root
Wait what
Where did you get the sidearm
Am I raiding the wrong bases or do I need to cycle the shopkeep more?!
zinc loom
Am I raiding the wrong bases or do I need to cycle the shopkeep more?!
I got it out of a red chest, I assume it's very high in the loot pools
safe root
man my red chests weren't that good
shut totem
If you don't mind a bit of save scumming, red chests can be rerolled by reloading the save, leaving the area and sleeping for a day.
I got an EVA helmet out of the last one I opened, which is like the only helmet I'd waste a red chest on.
zinc loom
man my red chests weren't that good
Red chests are a bit fucked because they don't look for items you've never gotten, they look for items not currently in your inventory
It will even give you something you have in storage, though the dev is apparently working on that
shut totem
Siris did tweak the loot tables recently to have fewer redundant items in red chests, so that helped quite a bit
One thing I think would help would be to split the loot tables entirely and have rare armor lockers and rare weapon chests.
safe root
Ok in fairness my current gear is quite good
70% kinetic resist lets me tank quite a bit of gunfire
And the stopwatch is broken
shut totem
I found one completely by chance at the very beginning of my playthrough, before even getting either of the eather scanners.
safe root
Heavy armor, a helmet that is the helmet spartans wear, a real sword, a sidearm ...
I have yet to find a sidearm better than the PDW
loaded with AP ammo it's really good
grand wave
the base tec9 is pretty decent, but the pdw version is ridiculous yeah
zinc loom
The PDW with AP 9mm is probably the best sidearm out there yeah
I just enjoy the novelty of the 5.56 pistol
Especially since the PDW has a reflex sight and the chiron is working with irons
Clearly, there should be a top top tier chiron mini with a silencer and laser sight
candid harbor
there is a mod that doubles the mag and makes it full auto, which sounds very funny and maaaybe better suited for a red chest drop
rancid valve
love the gunsmith
safe root
I got a ||seeker rifle|| and this is sick
safe root
ok I don't think the coilgun is better than the antimat
I don't think there's anything that it oneshots that the antimat doesn't and the antimat has a magazine
shut totem
Apparently the upgraded version you can get from the Gunsmith is really good
I've never built a coilgun though so I can't say myself
safe root
Its solid but it has the same issues as the normal coilgun
namely being gross overkill against inheritors
grand wave
that's what the other gun slots are for!
safe root
yeah but I could bring a repeating gun that oneshots inheritors and also has a magazine for wraiths
I am considering swapping to plas pistol/shotgun over PDW/seeker
Since FRAG-12 is goofy
atomic surge
I've been fuffing about with the Plas Pistol and it's honestly been pretty damn solid, real accurate, good damage, The AoE..
Ammo was kind of weird but then I found two large eather canisters and the Luftballoon in the same halfhour
safe root
It twoshots elite inf
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zinc loom
Eyyyy more 45 cals
shut totem
I hope some of those changes Siris mentioned involve a buff to .45 because it feels like the weakest caliber right now
zinc loom
Def
9mm AP is deadly stuff
safe root
.45 hollowpoint hits really hard and airburst had a funny interaction with the flail
microfrag is neat but not as good as AP
But generally the issue is armored enemies over meaty enemies since other inheritors end up being the greatest threat
imo adding more big monster enemies would be a good start though .45 also ends up competing with 12 gauge and it unfortunately doesn't get frag-12
zinc loom
Yeahhhhh the whole AP/Hollow point thing falls apart for me a bit because unarmored enemies aren't
Dangerous
Armored ones are
So just load up on APs and apply more bullet if needed
safe root
yeah fmj is good enough for flesh enemies
Or you run like 2 mags normal 9mm and ten AP
and swap as needed
grand wave
I'd love more unarmored but tanky and scary enemies, yeah
like big fucked up slaughterboy versions of the fire dogs
zinc loom
There are like not deer, but the main thing with most monsters is that you can just backpedal and hose them down
grand wave
also i think notdeer have armor
shut totem
They do.
The only somewhat dangerous mutants that have a low armor rating is the flayers
I think what should be done is that .45 should be left mostly the same, but tougher mutants should lose most of their armor and gain health to compensate
Make .45 a niche "mutant killer" caliber
safe root
also maybe an innie flesh golem enemy
zinc loom
Oh my god
The doohickey getting a new lease on life
Suppressed bolt action shotgun with slugs honestly seems stellar for stealth
shut totem
TBF Siris did say on the PS discord not to put too much stock in the weapons in the background. Some of them are just there as a scale comparison.
So don't get too excited about anything you see in the background of that screenshot
That MP5 variant is apparently going to be chambered in .45 though, which should be interesting.
Guess it'll be something of a rough equivalent to the real-world .40SW and 10mm variants
torn pendant
I mean I would suggest people seriously look into UE modding and see what all is possible
because as it stands the devs said weapons aren't super deep
grand wave
folks on the discord have talked about how the way sirris has built the game, certain aspects of modding are really difficult
torn pendant
that doesn't surprise me
shut totem
Siris did say they're on a wacky gun kick right now, so we might see more silly stuff soon.
grand wave
shut totem
Oh fuck yeah
safe root
The Caesar has marked you for death, and the Legion obeys!
(oh cool the gun delivery is here)
candid harbor
safe root
What is that
safe root
No the gun
candid harbor
grand wave
oh? what radio music had to be removed?
candid harbor
I don't know specifically but it's part of the reason the demo had to go
grand wave
ahh
shut totem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYbplNGNZs8
This one for sure.
Dance Around in your Bones is safe at least from what I've heard so far
safe root
When did the elac get added?
shut totem
It's been there. It's just fairly rare.
It's the SG550-esque one
Loners sometimes carry it though. But the one Night was showing off was the Craftsman-upgraded version
safe root
Yeah sorry I've got a bunch of LACs
But specifically the upgrade version which I haven't seen before
shut totem
I actually should try out the Craftsman's upgrades sometime. I just never have the stuff he wants.
candid harbor
When did the elac get added?
just now + a bunch of .45 guns
safe root
Wait what?
candid harbor
it's all in the test room though, so I assume wip
safe root
Oh
shut totem
Ah. The likely scenario is that Siris had to rush out an in-development build with those assets still in the files after they found out about the copyrighted music and didn't have time to remove them.
It would definitely explain why a hotfix that removed music was 1.5GB anyways
shut totem
I want to make one that gives them Edd Ed & Eddy noises now.
rancid valve
thats amazing
rancid valve
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299478256054960220/1401320755232243753/e...
@uneven bluff
Varmint you have the entire EEnE sound library dont you
uneven bluff
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candid harbor
grand wave
decided to do a new quickplay, and jesus what a set of starting rep
on the other hand
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Are you playing the beta branch or the release branch?
grand wave
beta
zinc loom
Okay the beta upgrade to slug damage seems Significant
I don't know if this is a breakpoint thing or what cuz the patch said it's slight but
I'm running around with the new silenced bolt action shotgun and the slugs are just dropping people with chest shots
I've yet to hit someone with a slug and not kill them
And these are like
The well kitted loners in the slums
safe root
I think slugs were just below a oneshot before
And slugs always dealt a fuckton of kinetic
shut totem
Loners also usually have worse armor than the other hostile factions (except maybe the Innies)
I'm curious to see how it'd perform against NFTA since even the conscripts tend to have beefier armor
zinc loom
I also took out some conscripts, yeah
But these are the loners that hang out at the big bar in the Slums, the ones with black military gear
candid harbor
atomic surge
But friends
grand wave
i hope we get the BLAME! dungeon
zinc loom
Given the finite quantity and dubious lootpools of red and blue chests
zinc loom
i hope we get the BLAME! dungeon
Personally I hope that big tunnel in the center of stone maze finally opens up
Or the m35 one
grand wave
Personally I hope that big tunnel in the center of stone maze finally opens up
O...
i'm hoping one of em's the one in the slums
zinc loom
That would also be good
M35 and slums both currently feel a bit like dead ends content wise
OH
The Maws interior would also be good
grand wave
i think slums is fine as it is, because it has the bar, a number of quest points, and the scavs are hardcore there
but the block on artifact spawns does hurt it
candid harbor
M35 has a wacky trader, a || gold shrine|| and a dungeon. It's connected to a few areas too. Maw could use a dungeon though
grand wave
i hope the maw has the Blame! dungeon...
safe root
I want a subway dungeon that's just more subway
Kind of like that cursed platform game
Sorry cursed-platform game not cursed platform-game
safe root
Platform 8
grand wave
ahhh
shut totem
Ever since the update some of the generic NPCs' eye animations have been bugging out for some reason and I hope it never gets fixed.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467466699399102498/1413020963158753280/2025092.JPG?ex=68ba69d2&is=68b91852&hm=632850f678b109da3d1ac163d14e75753ca12b34bca207c43f60699dfd8e9e5a&
candid harbor
Mod things 
candid harbor
No the big funny minigun
grand wave
i know
but i noticed the 0.98 pistol and 4.59 rifle
and i didn't think those were default numbers
candid harbor
Just ammo weight adding in
grand wave
bitter onyx
That'll be a great change, probably going to wait to dive back in until that's in.
zinc loom
Better stores.....
tropic pebble
hello chat i have made it to the north zone
what is there to do there other than mosby’s quest and trying to appease the cultists
grand wave
not very much right now
safe root
Crafter
grand wave
it's one of the heavily wip areas
the points of interest are mostly the cult crafter and hitting up the artifact spawns in the swamp
tropic pebble
😔
grand wave
oh, and making your way through perdition
if you didn't get in through there
there's a bit of shit inside
tropic pebble
I think I’ve done everything except perdition, and that one M35 dungeon
All broker quests
All roach quests except the sewer one
All mosby quests
All general quests
I guess I could start a military character or insurrection character
still I had 30 hours of fun so far
except replace career with development
tropic pebble
Are those the cultist things zapping me?
safe root
Big floating statue things
safe root
They shoot lightning, grey
tropic pebble
Yeah that’s what was zapping me
safe root
I don't think you take a cult hit for killing tjem
tropic pebble
I hope not
safe root
And they guaranteed drop an artifact
tropic pebble
I shall try tomorrow
grand wave
I hope not
you don't lose cult rep for killing any of the constructs afaik
although the arc wardens are the only ones that drop anything
safe root
You do lose rep for killing the hellhounds
grand wave
and they can drop one of three artifacts
safe root
Which is annoying
safe root
Yeah
safe root
Firebirds aren't cult
grand wave
they're not???
safe root
No
grand wave
damn, my bad, i guess i need to derust and play some more
tropic pebble
My final question is can i get power armour currently
grand wave
nope
tropic pebble
I poked around on the test map and saw some
grand wave
that's fuckbroken endgame stuff
tropic pebble
yeah had a feeling
grand wave
and fish has no endgame yet
tropic pebble
Yea
grand wave
or even lategame, according to sirris
tropic pebble
Actual final question: am I missing something with fort Leto
grand wave
you can cheat menu some in, if you want
but be warned, it's uh
not balanced
in any way
tropic pebble
is there something to do there
safe root
Not really
tropic pebble
Damn sad
I wanted to kill more military
Also sad that south bend is really underdeveloped
It’s just big iron and one insurrection sniper
I think my favourite gun has been the PT56 scout with the laser sight and silencer
Such a good gun
also the little assassin revolver
rancid valve
man
the kojimamen with scorchers are truly kinda weaksauce
tough but these guns suck real bad
i hope energy weapons in general get a buff
shut totem
There's some good ones but most are Craftsman upgrades
grand wave
one of the ones that isn't a craftsman upgrade is the plasma pistol
which hits like a truck
safe root
like two trucks taped together
zinc loom
Its peam....
Revolver sniper, sniper pistol
Load a saiga with slugs, make a scuffed AR
Perfection
shut totem
It'd be amazing if Jonathan Ferguson, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history took a look at this game
shut totem
Ye, they're really cool. I got to playtest the new build before it went public and that was one of the first new things I found lol
I still don't think I've found everything in them
grand wave
oh nice, you got the playtester role?
neat
i was thinking about signing up and seeing, but i wasn't sure i'd end up remembering to give feedback
i would just play it too much lmao
shut totem
It was pretty fun for reasons beyond getting to see new stuff. I like trying to break games just to see how they work lol
flat sun
there are new miracles of stardust to explore
Hold on, what?
Thought the most recent update was just some fixes
shut totem
And a sickness mechanic, though that's still very much in the process of being tweaked
Eating raw food and taking certain types of damage will make you sicker, causing coughing (just like with the Bad Cough trait), and maxing it out will cause you to start coughing up blood and taking damage
Hunger is tweaked to make it matter more as well: being overencumbered will make the bar drain quicker
twilit heart
Hunger is tweaked to make it matter more as well: being overencumbered will make...
My habit of constantly taking the +hunger trait and hauling 70kg of loot back to a merchant is being attacked, specifically
atomic surge
Good news for my emotional support frog, there's another step to them being emergency rations
shut totem
That demo was based on a very old build so it's almost a completely different game now.
raven rose
is the story the same?
or the quests
and the map
id explored basically the entire map and completed most of the quests (all the non-recurring, non-alt path ones i think)
grand wave
if by the same you mean the stuff already in is changed...mostly no
if you mean "is there new story/map content?" then very very yes
lot more quests, lot more map, a modest amount more story
raven rose
i mean more of the same isnt bad i was just hoping it to be.... different?
i bought it and played it some more
and did some of the new quests
and yea its project silverfish (which is great) but ive already kinda familiarized myself with the map
so the running between remote quest locations has become less "exploring the wastes" and more just... commuting
would be cool if they made it so u could drive around in a buggy or mustang (not like they havent made plently of hl references lol)
or at least have some sort of transportation for "late game" questing
zinc loom
You CAN get semi reliable fast travel but it takes a lot of work, a bit of luck, and some know-how, yeah
safe root
oooh
grand wave
the econ rebalance is out!
and more importantly than the new dungeons, the enemy assassins, the loot overhaul, or the new immsim mechanics:
new storms!!!
zinc loom
Most of this stuff was in the public test, right
shut totem
The assassins were, though the only way to tell the difference without the cheat menu is their loadouts
Storms are new; they were only added to the closed playtest a week or so ago
Most of the major stuff was already in the public playtest
The loot/economy was one of the first things added to the closed playtest long before it went public (though not without many, many fixes to it)
Siris managed to whip up the sickness system freakishly fast. We were discussing how one might work in the playtester chat not too long after I got the playtester role, and two days later Siris had it fully working lmao.
grand wave
what a fucking wizard
safe root
I remember this game being harder
maybe I've just gotten better but getting from observatory to broker took me longer before
shut totem
It gets easier as you learn how things work, the map layouts, etc, yeah.
grand wave
and you know where it is
you know where spawns are, what the landmarks are, and where to go
safe root
I think its also knowing the layouts so I can be a lot less cautious
grand wave
so instead of nosing around every building scared of a scav or a not-deer you just walk there, no description needed
safe root
X enemies typically spawn here-yeah
shut totem
Encounters with other enemy inheritors are a bit less common now though (but not by much) since they're all persistent in the world now
safe root
also crossroads is a lot less of a shootout
shut totem
You can even use the cheat menu to see where they all are
grand wave
siris should add more inheritors to compensate...
safe root
I remember it being absolutely choked with innies before one of the imsim changes
shut totem
also crossroads is a lot less of a shootout
Slums and Docks are still always a fucking moshpit though
safe root
yeah I'm about to do something kinda stupid to get to the saloon
shut totem
Enemy encounters also get a lot more common as you make enemies of factions and they start sending hit squads after you
(If you see innies using incendiary ammo, that's a hitsquad. NFTA have more varied loadouts for theirs but I'm pretty sure it's usually the guys that sound like Half Life 2 metrocops when they die and they usually have at least one Army Saiga 12)
safe root
alright slums time
shut totem
There was a funny glitch for a little bit in the playtest build where if a hitsquad came after you while you were disguised as that faction they'd just follow you around without attacking
safe root
lol
safe root
got jumpscared by a bunch of innie supers
applied the carefully calculated strategy of "oh fuck run away"
safe root
vas is das?
shut totem
It can't directly hurt you.
(Not my video but this was posted in the playtester chat not long after those anomalies were introduced)
grand wave
LOL
shut totem
I've had the reverse happen to me when ||I deliberately took one to try and make my trip through Black Lake shorter and it took me to the train station... right in front of an innie. He was just as confused as I was||
safe root
safe root
Spoilers: Metropol: Letting go more like let's go to the lone wolf
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zinc loom
The real fortune of Dead Money is in Pre War Money anyway
Clean out the casino and convert all the chips into dollars, sell them for 10 caps a pop 👁️
tropic pebble
Spoilers: Metropol: Letting go more like let's go to the lone wolf
||I never figured out how to get into the vault||
grand wave
||I never figured out how to get into the vault||
||you should talk to the people at the revvie base||
||they will have hints for you||
tropic pebble
yeah i had a feeling it'd be related to that
considering what other thing you can find in the bank
||the terra reddita bank transfer||
grand wave
yeah they want to ||steal from the innies as much as they can||
shut totem
||The vault code is behind a locked door (not the steel one) in the revvie base. Though you can also turn it in to Mamma Roach for a ton of rep and a bunch of nice gear||
grand wave
lol, started a new run and this shit is what my faction bag gave me
(only positive rep faction is innies, though, so i'm debating just not doing random rep)
(fuckin fascists)
grand wave
it's just a funny choice
"i have a death button with hyperexpensive ammo and nothing else"
safe root
so there's a loot room in subway with a hole in it and some firebirds down the hole
and I decided that discretion was the better part of valor
shut totem
That hole is a trap even without enemies anyway.
It drops you really far from the exit
grand wave
oh wow
i don't think i've ever seen this hideout before
you learn something new every day!
safe root
is that the flood plains one?
grand wave
yeah
shut totem
I found that one completely by accident the first time I did the sniper contract (right after release, long before the sniper got moved),
I fell off the tower and happened to see the trap door on the way down
grand wave
nice
tropic pebble
||dwagon...||
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||angels||
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THE FUCKING BLUES CAN ENTER CISTERN NOW??
safe root
yeah
safe root
it's peak...
do not the light
safe root
new guns?
safe root
5.7 was not in previously
zinc loom
Yoooooo
tropic pebble
ebic
zinc loom
Also I'm really excited for what seems to be a FN 57
That's one of those pistols that are essentially designed to be an offensive firearm for spec ops instead of a defensive sidearm, right
zinc loom
I hope it gets a pimped out variant with suppressor and laser sight,
I'm still so sad that the suppressed 45 automag has a gags flashlight,
Same with the suppressed 45 SMG
What am I supposed to do with this chimeric abomination
Quietly take down my enemies while they are startled by the incredibly bright and obvious light in their face?
zinc loom
Look if the flashlights actually worked that way I'd vibe but as it is it's 'press V to be shot at'
grand wave
yeah 
safe root
Also I'm really excited for what seems to be a FN 57
That's one of those pistols...
nope, same design case as the P90
the only offensive handguns I'm aware of are the mark 23 and the FK brno
zinc loom
Ahhhhhh
I was doing research on offensive handguns earlier and I knew there was one other notable example than the MK23 SOCOM but got my wires crossed on what it was
safe root
idk if the FK BRNO PSD is even an offensive handgun but the 7.5FK cartridge is supposed to be rifle like and the pistol itself is fucking huge so it's in the same category as the mk 23 imo
zinc loom
Yeah I WAS shocked to see what the FK BRNO actually looked like jesus
This is the 10mm pistol from fallout
atomic surge
Haven't played in a bit, I see there's more horrors. Also Electric Anomalies remain the most annoying in the world, give me a clear hitbox you villains
shut totem
Always carry a few bolts to deal with electric, nova, and burner anomalies.
Failing that, throwable props and flares also work
atomic surge
I... didn't know that worked >:|a
Nova and burner are obviously shaped enough i just sort of sneaker around but lightning is so vague it always caught me, that's clever though
shut totem
Props also work on glass wires, which is extremely helpful in a few dungeons