ruiner 2 soon™
#Marathon
mossy bridge
celest forum
True
The mask thing is also part of Recon having appeal to me
That helmet is cool
Plus bug grenade
His ai is shit
But I love him
celest forum
I wish we had even a minor passive detection ability
tawdry sequoia
if they fix the recon grenade...will they also fix the tick pathing? since they seem to be running off the same base
tawdry sequoia
ticks only have two modes, chase you across the map, or aggroing through a wall then struggling to pathfind their way out of a paper bag
celest forum
Like have a swarm of them burst out
celest forum
I simply love horrible creature swarms
tawdry sequoia
they're mostly a nuisance and a sound trap with teeth rn
celest forum
Sadly that's why I don't like them in their current state
I want to feel a similar fear of exsanguination to that the colonists likely felt
Maybe we'll get a tick map
tawdry sequoia
well the colonists also weren't transhuman warforms with modular cyberware up to the gills that were sown by artificial silkworms that are always on the verge of cannibalising each other into a silkworm rat king
I'd except some durability increases over being Some Guy
neat nest
Yeah the shells probably handle them a lot better haha
patent thicket
Yeah, we’re not Battleroids but we’re still a big step up from a normal human.
sand sluice
Those self rezzes hurt the most for me lel
placid oxide
Paradigm Shift contract line felt surprisingly easy to solo
neat nest
I haven’t seen em all but outside of that One Fuckin Run for the second they seem ok
placid oxide
That's essentially all of them. I just went Vandal and ran fast
Only one that sucked was having to go to Quaratine and muck around for 3 minutes
mossy bridge
that's every quest that involves quarantine
mucking around for 3 minutes
<@&1474420814979010821> evening marton? i've got some traxus stuff to do but aside from that we can go wherever
tawdry sequoia
I'll be on in like 30 minutes
mossy bridge
works for me
placid oxide
Didn't realize hitting VIP just gives you a prestige item
placid oxide
Backpack, at least for CyAc for me
mossy bridge
i have never seen a gold pack
mossy bridge
it's cool
tawdry sequoia
no worries
mossy bridge
dont think we have a third unless @placid oxide is down
<@&1474420814979010821> need a third
twin rain
Will be about another hour or so before I could hop on unfortunately
neat nest
placid oxide
This reframes the recon drone to be a bit problematic
cinder hare
mpreg assassin
placid oxide
The CARRI event is just carrying to term
tawdry sequoia
gonna try one more time, <@&1474420814979010821> anyone want to do some runs?
neat nest
Sure
tawdry sequoia
in VC
sand sluice
I am on hour 11 at work otherwise I would join 
tawdry sequoia
I feel you
twin rain
I can hop on in a sec
tawdry sequoia
sweet
neat nest
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I forgot to screenshot but Coevolution 5 down!
killed 9 runners and killed the commander in final exfil time
celest forum
Just had a Rooks Together Strong
neat nest
im so pumped
tawdry sequoia
I was on 1 volt battery when we finished
fully dry on everything else
was going to have to knife my way to the commander if it wasn't for the triage core that refills your ammo on volt kills while having the amp on
neat nest
oh my god lol
I did not realize how pressed we were
I was bingo ammo on my bully but my Stryder was fine
twin rain
haha. I had dropped down to 1 reserve mag for my overrun (but I managed to scavenge an ammo crate or two)
I had not spent a single mips on the shotty tho. abysmal weapon choice
well, aside from that one runner kill
neat nest
I was gonna say you rat hunted that destroyer just fine
twin rain
too many kills... all smeared together...
neat nest
Slightly funner we ran into 0 rooks
wintry shuttle
Oh my god. (Artist does have a DNI for under 18's. So, they probably occasionally do NSFW work).
https://www.tumblr.com/snackalus/812914653988519936/solo-on-arc-raiders-vs-solo-on-marathon-i-love
Ugh, It doesn't post the image.
wintry shuttle
Thank you!
neat nest
Lmao real
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> lose everything factory?
neat nest
Going to bed sorry
neat nest
I had 10 elimns but accidentally left early
Oh nooooooo
cinder hare
I like how energy amps are described like its just gamersupps needle
sand sluice
Oh nooooooo
I had to unfortunately be absolutely evil towards a rook who was trying to peacefully extract on the final exfil
neat nest
NOICE
sand sluice
the jumpscare bots make even trios a horror game
the trio fill experience was so silly.
Both matches I was like "yall take w/e loot, I just need elims" after killing two teams.
granted I think they're fine with that since both times they went from free kit or green shields to purple lmao
neat nest
How it feels to be going from bio research to quarantine again
obsidian latch
INTERSECTION
twin rain
our beloathed street
chilly pebble
Honestly I've started liking going under algae pond instead
cinder hare
FINALLY MY FUCKING QUEST
FINALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY
2.5k arachne kit in, 13k out
cyac, wtf
sand sluice
the humble 24x sneak pack+, provided to you by the generous cyac
cinder hare
shitttttttttttttt
ivory laurel
Kinda wish "Today's Sponsor" had some weighting to avoid getting the same kit every day
chilly pebble
I swear it's my destiny to never get salvage
I get this run, pretty nice, then we run into a squad of fuckin' gold shields that are for some reason outside while pinwheel is open
sand sluice
I just lost like
40k worth of loot cause I couldn't figure out what my two randoms were doing messing with tox warden with 5 minutes left
chilly pebble
wanna suffer together
sand sluice
One got jumped by a rook and killed, I face tank and traded with the rook
chilly pebble
one random is better than two randoms :v
sand sluice
Then we all died cause we didn't make it out
In retrospective thought, do you need to kill tox warden for the exfil right next to it? Cause I might have just fumbled for those two randoms super super hard
chilly pebble
not afaik
sand sluice
wanna suffer together
What are ya doin? Just random playing or like contracts?
chilly pebble
just outposting trying to get salvage
sand sluice
Oh
Why not just rook it?
But the time you spawn in most teams are dead so you kinda just get loot and leave before final 3 min
chilly pebble
because I like having thief vision :v
sand sluice
Ah
chilly pebble
also my rook isn't the greatest due to said curse of materializing sweats whenever I get a bit of salvage
sand sluice
Oh
chilly pebble
once I get the wstr it might be better
sand sluice
For that you basically gotta like
"Gg go next" and keep trying and also run or hide any time you think you hear other players and hope for the best
As for playing gimme a run or two to figure out, its 4 am and I gotta figure out if I'm actually gonna get some sleep tonight or not
cinder hare
2 ways to play rook:
a) SLAUGHTER THEM
b) RUN
sand sluice
I like run if I'm scavenging for loot
cinder hare
i play rook, run into pinwheel, listen, BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM GET CLAYMOR'D GET CL- you get the idea
sand sluice
just outposting trying to get salvage
bwuuuh I can do at least one
chilly pebble
Just had a rook do the biggest play
he killed our third in a doorway, put claymores on both sides of it then when we stupidly pushed in we both got downed from the claymores
starting to get a good rhythm with the free kit hardline though
sand sluice
bungie name?
chilly pebble
literally 2 sec left when I entered final exfil, if I wasn't thief I wouldn't have made it
chonky payout on the zeus though
cinder hare
i personally would sell the zeus
chilly pebble
I mean I'm doing that
it was the weirdest pinwheel I've had though
we killed one team heard no other teams, just had rooks streaming in every few min
cinder hare
had a pinwheel run where we killed 1.5 teams and met 0 rooks the whole game
also had a rando leave cuz we were looting a lil first before reviving em
chilly pebble
I need to start playign with non randoms though, I still need so many purple and gold salvage
especially reflex coils, main thing blocking me from the wstr
sand sluice
especially reflex coils, main thing blocking me from the wstr
For reflex coils easiest way to farm them is to vip arachne then level arachne by W keying every fight as trio fill
Also yippee for no sleep, couldn't get to sleep but I'm def feeling ths sleep deprivation
oak glacier
For reflex coils easiest way to farm them is to vip arachne then level arachne b...
Good to know
I've been doing a ton of random arachne contracts anyway
chilly pebble
Found this in a random fuckin' folio
neat nest
Wow
placid oxide
I get happy finding an expired cardio kick in those, meanwhile…
chilly pebble
Not a bad solo dire, heard someone open up maintenance key room, killed em with my beloved hardline, killed a third party and made it out like a king
I've finally gotten good with the free kit hardline, all you have to do is much like the gun, let go of all attachments
placid oxide
The nice part about hardline kit days is that most of the player base sucks with it, so if you run into other free kits and have any degree of skill with it you thrash them
placid oxide
Had a Vandal post up at a doorway with one like they were on a musket line in the civil war. Literally just ran by the guy and jammed a knife into them
celest forum
I've been really enjoying how rook runs have a good like
30-ish% chance that I make friends
I now have several Bungie friends when I log in
Last night I had a run where someone dropped a self heal for me after a fight where I got beaned and everything
Still gotta approach with spots painted on them obvs they often do not want to be friend
chilly pebble
ooh this one looks real neat
neat nest
It’s really good
chilly pebble
gonna save that for the buff
neat nest
Once the drone learns how to find enemies in 4 days it’ll whip
ivory laurel
Have they mentioned what they'll do to Vandal?
chilly pebble
or they were still trying a bunch of different exclusive things
I doubt it's gonna be firing while sliding
placid oxide
I think tuning arm cannon to make it more worthwhile to use is likely
Along with something to actually distinguish her movement from that of Destroyer and Thief
indigo oriole
triple jump vandal 🙏
placid oxide
I think that’s their prestige core already
placid oxide
Wall run vandal
indigo oriole
vandal can now use core power to fly
neat nest
The double jump is good I’d just nudge heat costs a little and make the slide cancelable
Aside from the arm gun where I’m less sure
placid oxide
I think you were on the right track the other day where the cooldown feels really long for how little it does
tawdry sequoia
it's tough to tweak though, what do you change? cooldown might be the least disruptive buff
I was wondering if adding a status effect based on charge level might be worthwhile, the heal debuff maybe
twin rain
increasing the push impulse might be nice,
chilly pebble
a slow debuff on the full charge would be real nice
tawdry sequoia
I think increasing the knockback is a potentially dangerous one, since it opens the door to a) the physics engine breaking and b) fully substituting it for kills in otherwise safe to engage situations
outpost rooftops becoming death sentences against vandals, that type of stuff
twin rain
good points
chilly pebble
also potentially doing some anti gravity shenanigans could also be interesting
people being stuck in the air for a moment
neat nest
I think just decreasing the CD and/or buffing the base charge time is enough
It’s a pretty strong ability esp with rocket jumps
It’s just on quite a long cooldown which makes it out of step with the otherwise frenetic and spammy nature of Vandal’s kit
tawdry sequoia
I don't really play Vandal, so I'm also not sure how people rate Amplify
neat nest
It’s good
It’s also in a fairly short CD for a prime
I wish it activated a little faster but that’s potentially unhealthy
tawdry sequoia
yeah the startup speed is another tricky one
I am perpetually annoyed at how long they take, but I understand that you're trying to make them more thoughtful and tactical and less twitch reaction
...knockup on slide? 
make it more potentially disorienting to get slide charged?
chilly pebble
neat nest
Pinwheel
placid oxide
Needs more claymores
chilly pebble
Needs more claymores
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some runs? Down for cryo, contracts, w/e
mossy bridge
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some runs? Down for cryo, contracts, w/e
sure
i wish i could skip the SIE and bungie splashscreens
neat nest
Same lol
mossy bridge
even if i like the dee dee dee the bungie one does
placid oxide
replace both with one of the 6 faction intro cinematics
mossy bridge
gonna do some quick suicide runs on outpost, get some nucal stuff done
they're probably gonna be my first VIP faction
placid oxide
Alrighty then, just hmu when you're ready
mossy bridge
@placid oxide ready
placid oxide
the voice channel also has a text chat if you want to use that
mossy bridge
used that
sand sluice
They need an option for skipping the splash screens so you can more quickly reconnect mid run if you crash
neat nest
Ye
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Last daytime ping, anyone up for stuff?
chilly pebble
neat nest
I’m at work sorry
sand sluice
I get it, if they get to grab meds/restock, I'm okay with it.
Also sometimes they can be a loot goblin
My only request is they w key the enemies if I go down
placid oxide
Yeah stopping for meds for a few seconds is actually super worth if they're out
chilly pebble
Sometimes you get these though :v https://www.rxddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/1shbbew/this_is_probably_what_happens_most_of_the_time/
Kinda people that will sleep through a mortar strike
twin rain
As a free kit I remember one time frantically scanning the loot for the opposing wstr so as to better fight the rest of the squad entering the main bio research building
Grabbed that and the MIPS and ran pff
placid oxide
Filling into cryo is actually not that bad
patent thicket
marton
placid oxide
Actually got out decently easily twice now with fills
neat nest
Nice
sand sluice
Ye
Like you can def get bad game streaks with bad luck
But after awhile you'll usually get a solid game or two
placid oxide
And you really only need to it a winner every 3 runs or so
sand sluice
Yup
mossy bridge
i havent done any cryo since the first weekend it was open
sand sluice
Also uhh
mossy bridge
we got one run where we failed to exfil and two where we died (this was my friendgroup)
sand sluice
Be mindful if you watch like streamers or w/e play
I saw a streamer lose like all their non gold gear they stacked cause they did not get lucky with solo/duo into cryo for like 12 runs in a row
tawdry sequoia
I have actually watched zero gameplay of Marathon outside of what people posted here
I think if I have the energy to watch it I usually just try and play some
or watch something more relaxing
sand sluice
Makes sense
mossy bridge
this doesnt seem the most watchable game
and i dont watch streams for the most part anyway
only really VODs
tawdry sequoia
yeah, same
mossy bridge
i tend to just watch vods and edits
tawdry sequoia
I've played...like 5 games of cryo? had no idea what was happening in the first one, got murked bad in the first teamfight on the second, brutal team fight against two teams on the third one which lasted like, 8 minutes on and off
and then two games of it yesterday
haven't gotten to a vault, haven't exfilled 
neat nest
I think it’s pretty watchable but I’m not much of a stream watcher anyway
I’ve gotten better at cryo but I just don’t know the map well enough yet
So I make stupid mistakes
tawdry sequoia
it feels like the layouts mess up my gamesense, yeah
neat nest
Imma be good when I do though
tawdry sequoia
should approach it way more like a more traditional team shooter
in movement
I find myself out of cover or at bad angles
twin rain
Yeah out flanking is very effective (tho that comes with map knowledge too)
tawdry sequoia
not to say I was amazing at those, but I should have played enough CS to get a better sense for the deathmatch-yness of the encounters
neat nest
I already feel p dangerous on perimeter and dire marsh where I know them a lot better
neat nest
Yeah out flanking is very effective (tho that comes with map knowledge too)
Some of it is flanks but a LOT of it is knowing where enemies can be for me
Like if I get shot at it makes a big difference if I know where they probably are and how they can move
placid oxide
Feeling secure in map knowledge is one of the biggest difference makers for games like this I feel
Like knowing how you can rotate, how you may get rotated on
Its part of why I am just throwing myself at Cryo
The only way to learn the map is to play on it, at a certain point
neat nest
Yeah I gotta do more of that
I’m getting… better at the map
It’s just also huge and maze like
neat nest
Yeahhhh
placid oxide
Had a guy not make it out one run purely because they just didn't know HOW to get to where the exfil was and we didn't have time to sherpa them
tawdry sequoia
yeah to some extent I just gotta get into the cycle of running it, not overprepping for it and just doing random runs with enough ante and blues
neat nest
The map is also confusing because that overhead view does not reflect a consistent level
placid oxide
The map for cryo is ass lol
neat nest
The map is, near as I can tell 2 main levels and several more sub or super levels
tawdry sequoia
no reason to take 10k value if I'm almost assuredly not going to be doing a vault
the map is almost bad enough to be a gag
placid oxide
Like it is useful for knowing what section you are in and after that It isn't worth the time to look at
tawdry sequoia
like at least give me a bad blueprint style readout
tawdry sequoia
'this is the layout we have from an open source data trawl, it's from a promotional flyer on how cool the Marathon is, good luck'
unfortunately I'm still finishing up work so I'm an hour out 😩
placid oxide
RIP
tawdry sequoia
probably less but I should grab dinner before any gaming
neat nest
the map is almost bad enough to be a gag
Please bungu put it on tauceti.world so I can look around it in 3d
sand sluice
Like if I get shot at it makes a big difference if I know where they probably ar...
I'm just unhinged and full send completely bad situations.
I got my zonewarden 9 elims on an outpost run where we went into drone wing through conveyance with a team shooting at us from inside drone wing (it's why I went down and could only get 1 of the 3 and Crack shields on the second before my teammates cleaned them up)
placid oxide
I want solo cryo just so I can run around inside it alone
sand sluice
I'm just unhinged and full send completely bad situations.
I got my zonewarden ...
I should note these rarely work but it's completely funny when they do
neat nest
I should note these rarely work but it's completely funny when they do
Mood I’ve done that
tawdry sequoia
RIP panicking your way into success with the knife
I will miss you
I fully expect to be kind of messed up on positioning this weekend, got new headphones today
placid oxide
Biggest gamechanger is making sure your audio is set to studio
Especially in cryo today it has made a huge difference
neat nest
For sure
patent thicket
I seem to remember there being a screenshot of cows frozen in the Cryo Archive, anyone seen it?
twin rain
idk if there's cows in cryo archive, but there's definitely some in Outpost
neat nest
I think there are in Steerage
patent thicket
That's probably what I'm looking for. I just need to find the picture so I can show my friends.
cosmic flame
I think there are in Steerage
the cattle are in
steerage???
twin rain
I think there are in Steerage
the outrageous pun potential
cosmic flame
neat nest
Hahahaha
lament pecan
just completed one of charter's evil "kill 9 runners in a single run" contracts.
my reward? single blue torso implant :c
patent thicket
Charter's evil-ass voice: "And bragging rights!"
patent thicket
I should use the BRRT more. The dakka of that thing is impressive.
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> lose everything ship anyone?
cinder hare
anyone wanna loot some w/ me?
super tempted to buy this
so yeah i really like how contracts guarantee a gold mod
patent thicket
I should probably use my lockbox keys myself...
They're just kind of taking up space in my inventory and I've got four or five of them.
placid oxide
Lockbox keys I eventually discarded since I never felt like I had a good time to bring them
Anyone up for some late night Cryo btw? Got 1 or 2 runs in me
patent thicket
I'm slightly drunk, so I think I'll have to pass for tonight.
I'm just fussing around with my Vault before bed.
chilly pebble
I just thought of the rattiest fucking strategy in solos to get salvage
wait for someone to start extract and then just rinse them with the thief drone while they're stuck in the circle
cinder hare
i kinda wish i could buy a 10k kit and go into cryo
but also i find it interesting how divided opinions are on aim assist / bullet magnetism as a stat
oak glacier
i kinda wish i could buy a 10k kit and go into cryo
could always just
buy the kit
sneak through a solo to first exfil, and then go cryo
celest forum
You can get to cryo by being first exfil?
Also I'm caressing the "spend eighty dollars" button considering ways to get some of my buddies to play marathon instead of listening to random ai videos trying to say the game is cooked
twin rain
nah, she's saying to go to a normal map with a sponsored+ kit (blue presumably?), immediately exfil to get the value, then go to cryo with that.
celest forum
Ohhhh
That makes way more sense thanks
(the crab is not known for its tremendous intellect)
patent thicket
The game is good if you don't have a YouTuber in your ear telling you it's bad.
celest forum
That's what I'm saying
tawdry sequoia
This thread has been a godsend for me being able to play, all my usual gaming buds have been MIA
celest forum
Also my friends aren't ai bros they just keep falling for it
patent thicket
Same. Solo can be fun, but it's a little too intense for me to play all the time.
I should trio fill more often, I've had some good luck with that before.
celest forum
Randoms have been fun but the amount of uncommunicative and micless people running in the opposite direction of a pinged objective is not optimal
patent thicket
Yeah, but that's table stakes in a game like this.
celest forum
Truth
tawdry sequoia
Yeah fills are rolling the dice
patent thicket
I need to remember to bind my prox chat to a button I can remember.
In fact, I'm gonna do that right now.
celest forum
Oh yeah proxchat as Rook has been hilarious
You have to be at least a little intentionally suspicious so it feels too stupid to be a real trick
How do you do fellow humans ts
tawdry sequoia
Sometimes you get someone whose idea of battle tactics is to loot every container in the room while you're being skinned by three cyborg serial killers next door down, sometimes you get some sort of MLG heat seeking missile masquerading as a player who jumps across a POI in a second and eats a trios faces in one bite
celest forum
Lmao
tawdry sequoia
Mostly just people who don't do comms tho
celest forum
I love that assassin passive with the smoke grenades so much
tawdry sequoia
It is very good
celest forum
The knife is very handy in those cases
Magnum+knife feels like shotgun+melee in Halo sometimes
Cause the RMB stab is narsty
tawdry sequoia
It is, though the nerf made it less of a no brainer against anyone without a shotgun
celest forum
I put switch to knife on one of my thumb buttons for that combo
Helps with it especially post nerf yeah
chilly pebble
I love that assassin passive with the smoke grenades so much
I love them on thief because I throw one, every single assassin on the map then beeline into it because they share the braincell, and then I just pop them with thief visor :v
patent thicket
<@&1474420814979010821> Any of you up for trios? I just need to open a single Core Storage container and then I want to do this mission.
twin rain
yeah I can hop on in a sec
chilly pebble
sure
twin rain
<@&1474420814979010821> just need a third for a few runs
tawdry sequoia
Ill hop on in a minute
celest forum
I love them on thief because I throw one, every single assassin on the map then ...
It's not my fault the brain cell is a high rarity item :P
Also the fact that Thief is a better recon than Recon is both hilarious and tragic
chilly pebble
I mean as a thief main I might genuinely switch to recon once the buffs come
there's some real tasty recon cores if the pathfinding of the chudling gets fixed
celest forum
Recon buff sounds delightful
chilly pebble
Recon buff sounds delightful
Stronger drone(whatever stronger means, hopefully better pathfinding), and the recon ping now differentiates between players and bots
also if you signal mask you'll ping as a bot(Like you are currently) so it's not fully negated by signal mask anymore
celest forum
Oh fun
chilly pebble
The ping waves are also gonna be harder to see so you don't just tell everyone your exact location
neat nest
Stronger drone(whatever stronger means, hopefully better pathfinding), and the r...
They talked about it a little bit but it’s better and more aggressive tracking
A lot of the derp comes from if it gets and then loses lock because it’s unable to re-lock on
placid oxide
Yeah watching the spider doing circles on a ceiling before blowing up impotently needs to be a rarity not the expectation
wintry shuttle
Begging for my life with stuff has been a somewhat winning strategy.
Assassin opened up on me? Told them wait, gave them green salvage, and a shield chargers.
Another person open up on me? Data pad and purple salvage.
cinder hare
could always just
buy the kit
sneak through a solo to first exfil, and then go ...
I thinkkkkkk the 10k translates to 3k in value which makes it impossible lol
oak glacier
sand sluice
Begging for my life with stuff has been a somewhat winning strategy.
if you're in solos a fair number of people want to just quest so it works yeah
chrome rapids
<@&1474420814979010821> looking for one for some coooooool gaming
mossy bridge
sure
chrome rapids
Nice, bungie name/code?
chrome rapids
We are in horse
mossy bridge
k
tawdry sequoia
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone want to do some runs? contracts, cyo, I'm easy
twin rain
I can in maybe 15-20
neat nest
running lancer atm
tawdry sequoia
the eternal quest for the third continues
patent thicket
I’d be down but I’m helping my wife with dinner. Then I’ll be eating dinner.
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for running something?
placid oxide
yeah I can get a room going
cinder hare
crashed twice
giant 3 way teamfight happened
2 of us died
1 ally survived
came out with all their loot
cinder hare
ngl really interesting how people's thoughts on PvE are changing throughout the season
initally it was a lot of resistance but now that a lot more people are hitting 100+ hours and so on, there's actually way more people wanting some more PvE-oriented content or more casual-friendly kinda content
and people who are agreeing
sand sluice
the casual-friendly content want is going to occur naturally due to it being an extraction shooter
cause as more people put time into a wipe, the more people reach full gear status alongside all the other things that naturally happen as a game exists
cinder hare
yeah its just interesting to me
sand sluice
additionally
when they do stuff like knife nerfs, it's a nerf towards the more casual playerbase as now you can't just 2 tap purple shields
sand sluice
thankfully there's some harder caps of movement + not as spammable hero abilities
arguably it's the 3 month wipes
cinder hare
ironically casuals also complain about wipes
sand sluice
yeah because they usually feel like they need longer wipes to reach later stage gear and for people that don't invest at least some time, then that happens where they don't reach it due to not spending too much time
cinder hare
i feel like there needs to be *something* to make the game more "causal" friendl...
idfk what will work best, but ive seen gear matchmaking, skill-based, etc
sand sluice
sbmm would probably work best tbh
cinder hare
i can respect gear within your own team
sand sluice
gear matchmaking is iffy unless you do ante lobbies but that would just further separate the queue
cinder hare
it doesnt feel right if you get free kits when you bring a full kit in, and vice-versa
within one's own team, to be exact
sand sluice
I mean to me depends on what they want to go with
cinder hare
but yeah ngl i feel like progression could do with feeling more logrithmic versus exponential
once you hit higher levels you can do lots of shit and get away with it easier
sand sluice
it feels generally pretty samey with the exception of like
1-2 situations every 20 raids or so
cinder hare
your knife damage is like, 75 base so blue knife fight lets you shred purples almost the same, you get gold mods whenever you want off traxus, you can get enough shit to go to cryo for free multiple times, etc
sand sluice
well ye but cryo is locked around seasonal lvl 25 anyways
sand sluice
assuming you optimize your build paths you can get a lot for free
sand sluice
tbf i am like, level 85 and havent finished every quest yet
that depends on a lot of factors tho
cinder hare
its mostly just MIDA being a jerk
sand sluice
like if you ever trio fill, you're not going to play in an optimized quest team
cinder hare
i should focus mats harder
sand sluice
also you can do a lot of quests solo really easily where in a trios it would be a bit harder
and those are usually the more early quests
also depends on when you unlocked the contracts
since you are going to be gated by that until you did all the contracts
also also depends on how much you do the optimal xp stuff for that faction
cinder hare
mmmm
I gotta wonder how Marathon would be faring rn if Arc didnt exist
Arc is a fine game, not my thing, but im curious
sand sluice
could be less because some people only picked up marathon cause they found arc too easy
could be more because some people's first extraction shooter was going to have to be something not-tarkov and just so happened arc is what they tried
ultimately regardless I don't think it would have gotten the same amount of success arc did
cinder hare
yeah arc is an anomaly
sand sluice
I mean, eh?
cinder hare
in terms of extraction shooters, to be exact
sand sluice
I'm not 100% sure I agree
but that's mainly because arc is made by embark, I don't doubt that anything they make mechanically would work well enough
cinder hare
in terms of extraction shooters, to be exact
like, i dont like pulling charts but it does have 100k players average at any given time
sand sluice
well yeah
if you look at the game holistically
it's not that far fetched that it would be a success for a lot of people
cinder hare
mmm
sand sluice
3rd person + a generally well defined movement system that's organic + solid enough gun mechanics + mp extraction shooter (which at the time for that was still unfortunately, primarily tarkov) + easy ways to be social with no direct reward for killing other players while making pve that is easier to do as a group
cinder hare
I feel like Arc's success is partly cuz aggro-based MM means you get filtered into lobbies closer to your own preferences
if you want PvP, congrats, you'll get more
sand sluice
it helps ye
cinder hare
if you want PvE, you'll ge that
and Embark's gun formula, based on the finals, is like, generic but solid
sand sluice
like if you say that's the anomaly, then sure
but everything else doesn't make it a really unique breakout example
cinder hare
anomaly in the sense of it's success
sand sluice
and Embark's gun formula, based on the finals, is like, generic but solid
well unfortunately for embark they are extremely sauceless
but that's like
kind of expected when you know their history is primarily stuff where they didn't have to have sauce (battlefield and battlefront, being most of it was already covered due to both of the settings either having massive franchise to pull from or just being "soldiers with guns")
cinder hare
Marathon feels incredible in terms of shooting
the only "problem" i have comes 90% from balancing
like, say, the Repeater feels terrible to use ime
sand sluice
I mean, to me personally, repeater is fine to use, but if you're going to pvp with it, you would need to be specific
cinder hare
but a lot of it can be attributed to the fact that its got a 2000ms ttk when most others are closer to 1200 on average
like, thats natural, most guns designed for longer range tend to have big penalties or longer TTK to balance their extra range out
but then, there's the longshot, V66, etc
sand sluice
right
but also
this is an extraction shooter, with the additional fact that a lot of games have guns that are not as strong as other guns
but this isn't really a balance issue
this is an econ issue
cinder hare
eh, not really?
sand sluice
cause how rare the repeater is reduces the usability of it cause you're generally likely to use your default gun over it
cinder hare
cuz like, i prefer the V11 over the Repeater
and im talking while ignoring the "rarity" of it
sand sluice
if you ignore rarity than the majority of the guns will not be worth using at all yes
you would basically want to always take a shotgun, a sniper rifle, or the bioinjector
oak glacier
Ok, go leave that as feedback on the discord
cinder hare
I wasn't trying to talk about the balance of the game, but more about that the game feels great, it's just some guns don't feel so good and most of it is simply the fact the gun takes twice as long to kill versus others
oak glacier
Yes
Go leave that as feedback
Gun feel is part of the game
Also ttk is literally game balance
sand sluice
I see, I might have misunderstood, forgive me, I'm going to disengage though
oak glacier
At some point in the season the balance patches will slow down once the egregious stuff is either fixed or at least in an acceptable enough state to hold for a better fix
Then they'll gear up for next season when a bigger patch will come
And then that season will have it's own new population of issues, and it will still have problems from season 1 it didn't fix
But it will be better
And the cycle will repeat
And if the game keeps going, in a few years season 1 vs whatever season we're on will be a wild comparison
sand sluice
that last line already happens when you compare mctt to live version as well
oak glacier
Ye true!
sand sluice
I'm mainly excited for the event cause I wanna know what it's about
I'm also uhh
still in cope mode about getting gold destroyer skin 
cinder hare
outside of the Recon, Vandal, and Longshot/WSTR adjustments (LS/WSTR are kinda speculation but im almost certain they'll tone those down), i gotta wonder what they'll do
oak glacier
Ye
I'm excited for seasonal mechanics
cinder hare
im hoping they do something with the volt cell guns, thatll be fun to see
what was the new gun though? if thats in alr
sand sluice
don't think they said
cinder hare
ah k
sand sluice
afaik the biggest thing we know about new content is night marsh, cradle system does something with stats, and new shell/variant is called sentinel
cinder hare
i wonder if theyll do anything to thermals
chilly pebble
the roadmap said it'd be in march though
sand sluice
no no no
sorry let me clarify
this is the official bungie roadmap
that earlier one is by someone who just summarized some of the stuff known and added some keynotes
unless bungie did say march
in which case idk lol
chilly pebble
I still really don't like the short season cause like I've seen like, one prestige salvage so far
sand sluice
I have only gotten 1 as well yes
cinder hare
the grind feels too long relative to the short seasons i agree
chilly pebble
yeah
I still really like the idea of faction levels are reset but bought upgrades aren't
so you still gotta level up to get them back
cinder hare
mmm
i feel like the gold salvage and a number of blue salvages are just too rare
also its hard to purple salvage grind when it takes up 4 slots
chilly pebble
yeah
cinder hare
2 of them take up a whole 8x space, or 1/3 of a 24x
chilly pebble
I have one singular prestige and I still have no clue what I'll do to fit the rest if I get them
I think I read that tarkov has a separate inventory just for salvage which seems neat
I do kinda wanna try arc now that they've removed the ai shit but I want to believe in marathon
It's not like salvage wouldn't even have its place with maxed out upgrades either due to the barter system
sand sluice
I think I read that tarkov has a separate inventory just for salvage which seems...
separate inv for quest items
tarkov also has stash containers
sand sluice
I still really like the idea of faction levels are reset but bought upgrades are...
are bought upgrades not reset?
chilly pebble
afaik they are
this is something I've seen a lot of people say would help a lot with retaining people that aren't turbosweats
mossy bridge
I think I read that tarkov has a separate inventory just for salvage which seems...
definitely does not lmao
oak glacier
3 months is a good length for a season
They might want to buff up the high end drop rates a bit but we'll see
mossy bridge
all it has is big containers for materials and valuables, plus valuables aren't autosold
oak glacier
4 months starts running into huge population fall off
oak glacier
And since you need to queue it would be an issue
chilly pebble
I mean yeah, salvage in tarkov are called materials no?
mossy bridge
there's stuff for hideout upgrades, stuff for crafting, stuff for trades, and stuff you just sell for money
oak glacier
But I assume it's just one of those things that's easier for the devs to figure with a few seasons of the game under their belt
chilly pebble
I really hope sony lets it last that long cause despite all the hiccups so far I can feel the love put into the game
mossy bridge
they'd be stupid not to
oak glacier
Sony have been real stupid before
oak glacier
Fingers crossed tho
chilly pebble
Yeah sony published stuff tends to succeed despite sony not due to it(see helldivers 2)
mossy bridge
https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372
what were the other times
i know sony like all big companies are stupid but
oak glacier
They tried to force everyone playing helldivers to register a playstation account to keep playing
After the game was out for over a month
It wouldve literally killed the game
chilly pebble
Concord was also sony publishing
chilly pebble
While the characters were real sauceless, the gameplay seemed pretty fun to me
hero shooter but not at methed up speeds
chilly pebble
That's just cryo :v
mossy bridge
but like a dedicated one
tawdry sequoia
I have to assume C.A.R.R.I. is some sort of Cryo Archive event
my only guess would be something to have high level players help lower level ones get carried through the raid for extra reward
to take a wild, unsupported by evidence stab at it
patent thicket
Hot damn.
chilly pebble
another nice pinnacle run
tawdry sequoia
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone for some runs?
mossy bridge
sure i can game
cosmic flame
cinder hare
also i might be going crazy but i think ranked will be a lot more fun
patent thicket
I had a pretty good Rook run. Got all the Unstable Gunmetal I needed for my next vault upgrade.
cinder hare
ok yeah ranked is treating me good so far
the ante helps a LOT
it means no free kits which means even if my exfil rate is 50% or less, i come out positive
btw anyone know how strong the aim assist bonus is?
cosmic flame
<@&1474420814979010821> who up for a couple runs
patent thicket
Maybe in a bit, I'm taking a break.
cosmic flame
🫡
patent thicket
Does the TAD highlight trap bags?
neat nest
I don't think so
twin rain
trap bags make a different sound when you start looting them, and the text glitches out as you do so. they're pretty easy to tell ime
patent thicket
I only ask because I activated a TAD and some of the bags in this room turned red but others didn't.
tawdry sequoia
players who can still be rezzed, maybe?
twin rain
I think bags with the revive lockout are red
patent thicket
Couldn't say.
twin rain
or something to that effect
neat nest
Yeah the red glow is rez lockout iirc
patent thicket
I ended up not looting the red bags because I didn't know if they were trapped or what.
tawdry sequoia
yeah the trap bags have a different text, and also make a noise when you press e on them
might have to hold too
patent thicket
I see.
Yeah, it was just a strange thing I hadn't seen before so I was being cautious.
neat nest
If it is from the TAD it might be something else
patent thicket
I'd swear they weren't red before I hit the TAD.
That bag up on the platform at two different parts of the run, before and after activating the TAD.
I'm glad I was recording because this is kind of strange, right?
patent thicket
I do like a mystery.
neat nest
that is weird
patent thicket
You can see it's next to a corpse in the first image, though. I think the TAD is unrelated and it's something else.
twin rain
(that is a very funny place to die though)
patent thicket
It looked like they got caught with their pants down by the UESC.
There were a bunch of dead cops around the bottom floor and a whole team's worth of bags. I figure they got caught out by the cops and another team wiped them after that.
I got a free Bully out of it. Rook gaming.
I can't be the only person who occasionally likes to play detective as a Rook.
cinder hare
Ive decided to just keep running ranked until i burn all my non-golds then just build back up again
sand sluice
Ye, no rooks + makes people take gear up to the ante
Plus if you wipe a lobby you'll usually get so many meds
cinder hare
Sad that I’m not good at sniping
chilly pebble
the red enemy bags is just a bug I think
woeful tundra
neat nest
Enzyme replicators look much tastier if you spin them around
placid oxide
What do you think it tastes like?
sharp plover
burple
placid oxide
I bet it tastes like a now & later
chilly pebble
What do you think it tastes like?
Replicated enzymes
patent thicket
It tastes like [Shell Compromised: Ejecting to Consciousness Buffer].
neat nest
https://youtu.be/6q2A6PLiNMs
<@&1474420814979010821> yoooooooo
mossy bridge
does she die in this one too
placid oxide
God damn they made Recon look like a fucking terminator
neat nest
does she die in this one too
No
mossy bridge
surprising
placid oxide
Spider drone being able to climb on people also wigs me out
placid oxide
surprising
||Vandal|| gets obliterated
neat nest
Lowkey it rules that part of the reason the drone was too stupid was because it ran too fast and missed people
ivory laurel
Imagine if the spider could down people that has full health
neat nest
Aw is someone awfully excited to run someone down and overheat them?
mossy bridge
Imagine if the spider could down people that has full health
God willing you could put claymores on it like the pickpocket
tawdry sequoia
patent thicket
https://youtu.be/6q2A6PLiNMs
<@&1474420814979010821> yoooooooo
"Go, my Chudling! KILL!"
neat nest
So excited to have the little guy actually hunt instead of being distracted by this roof ac unit for 25 seconds
patent thicket
When you're at a family function and your suspiciously sticky 7-year-old cousin named Hunter asks if you got games on your phone.
Meanwhile, Rook is still out here like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfiPB8omuQQ
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some daytime runs? I have got an overflowed vault and need to get rid of stuff
patent thicket
I could run.
chrome rapids
Im down
patent thicket
Give me a few minutes, though. I'm finishing up some chores.
placid oxide
Sorry cowpoke
tawdry sequoia
yeah, damn my sudden yet entirely predictable workload
cinder hare
Lowkey it rules that part of the reason the drone was too stupid was because it ...
I’m definitely running recon today when they buff her
neat nest
Patch tomorrow sorry
sand sluice
It's tomorrow today somewhere
neat nest
I love machine translated Korean marathon twitter
cinder hare
I hope they let you buy cryo kits eventually
cinder hare
yeah but it is gonna cost you like, 15-20k to buy one soooooooooooooo
itd be nice to pop into a game with what you need, sharp
<@&1474420814979010821> new queue added, and its fucking hilarious
sand sluice
That is unironically extremely based
cinder hare
also its got duos lmao
sand sluice
Duos into trios ye
echo scroll
Duos lives
cinder hare
ngl though, i really like how they're poking at early-game econ and stuff now
sand sluice
So they would be missing any early wipe free kit spam data
sand sluice
ngl though, i really like how they're poking at early-game econ and stuff now
Well the silly thing is like
This is the easiest way to get gold salvage now as a solo player
cinder hare
like, there's a lot of casual players and the like
sand sluice
Previously dire marsh with having 6 teams, you were more likely to just rng into purple teams + dire marsh is super wide with thermal on intense fog.
Basically meant it was the map with the strongest likelihood for gear disparity between players
So if you're a solo player, you had to "run it back" enough times to get lucky that at least one of your teammates had purple/blue to compete against a possible purple kit team
sand sluice
Ye or lockdowns
And unfortunately solo queue is uhh
Not an enjoyable game mode for the most part once you hit a certain point
Gets a lot more rough but tbf if you've got purple gear you theoretically can speed blitz as destroyer by spamming energy amps
So like
Eh?
But tbf I think it's because of the like
"You need to play the game the way bungie intends it to be played"
It feels very gravitating to basically do
Rook run to get gear -> do normal run until you lose it
Then repeat
neat nest
Ok this is fun
cinder hare
Apex Legends Queue
sand sluice
Btw
If youre in upgrades/armory
You can click the faction rep
To swap to armory/upgrades
And vice versa
sand sluice
*click
Lower left hand side
Click their face
It'll swap from armory to upgrades or from upgrades to armory
cinder hare
mmm
placid oxide
The twist is it is only Traxus kits
patent thicket
Got the Escape Under Aegis mastery challenge for this one.
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13678713334127694975/3B8E537993A41510D7ABB5A80F250B47D94D6E65/
late geyser
they should do forced OSP
placid oxide
Got the Escape Under Aegis mastery challenge for this one.
https://cdn.steamuser...
That Vandal really was a half-second away from making our exfil a disaster
stray magnet
they should do forced OSP
what does OSP mean here?
cosmic flame
one shot protection i think
stray magnet
ah
patent thicket
That does sound kinda fun.
placid oxide
That’s basically what the experimental que is this week
neat nest
one shot protection i think
Honestly I wouldn’t mind shotty nerfs either
cosmic flame
ah see
the wstr takes two shots
so it would be fine
my perfect little meow meow
placid oxide
Balanced
neat nest
They should make it take 3 but also give it an extra bullet
placid oxide
Highly interested in the patch notes come tomorrow
I do think that the salvage grind needs to be addressed for some players
Like at the point I’m at a good fifth of my vault is just shit for upgrades
placid oxide
I cannot tonight
patent thicket
I'm finishing up a drawing, but I should be free in a few.
pale flare
I'm down
random vessel
I can be on
cinder hare
ranked experience so far:
so, fights are 10x more common, since thats ranked
it's a 50/50 between great fights and horrible fights, very one-sided feeling ime
im not the best at fighting so i usually manage to get a kill and a half and then die, my team cleans up usually
<@&1474420814979010821> last game, outpost airfield key
also something i learned is, even if you lose HARD, you recover FAST
i went from about 90k wallet, 270 vault value to 230k, 10k wallet in like, 3 days
now im back to 20k wallet, 250 vault value, so i made like, 40k in 1 day
and thats a keyroom!
i feel bad for that assassin i killed
neat nest
Badass log
mossy bridge
art by @/cremito_cherry on twitter
placid oxide
Man the high-end gameplay plays like a whole different genre it looks like.
tawdry sequoia
the abundance of self-rez and the effectiveness of bubbles and shotguns changes things in these sort of engagements
placid oxide
Thing that stuck out to me is how the kitted out bully is functionally a better m77
Plus wstr with slugs is bananas lol
mossy bridge
Saw a clip of someone sniping a player with it from the field by ai uplink to the roof of ai uplink
how bro felt hitting that shot
tawdry sequoia
I mean, that does ignore what a similarly upgraded m77 could do
though the scopes increasing effective damage range, and not having a slot for that, could undercut the potential max stats for an m77
neat nest
I think a lot of it is that the gold mods are not created equally and the bully has a really good one
I haven’t seen it but this seems sort of gimmicky compared with “you have a huge magazine and fire rate”
bitter sable
this reads like a perk on a D2 exotic
and would probably be nice for a damage phase on a boss
placid oxide
though the scopes increasing effective damage range, and not having a slot for t...
That’s the thing, is the bully’s gold mod gives it a frankly insane rate of fire, no recoil, and mag size. Add in the range additions and you’ve got functionally the same engagement range but a disgusting increase in rof.
sand sluice
Ranked perspective is basically
Bully>M77 except at range
I never took it because if I'm at that range I'm just playing around shotguns anyways
sand sluice
That’s the thing, is the bully’s gold mod gives it a frankly insane rate of fire...
You are correct yeah, a lot of players who used the bully in ranked would try to min-max range
There's some other aspects to it like it being 4 slot gun
So theoretically you can mess with backpack space some in quick swapping
Granted I didn't run into too many gold guns in my time in ranked
It was primarily the bio injector or blue/purple gun depending
With the main exception being wstrs because wstrs being 2 shot guns with no distance meant they were just go-to 6k problem solver
neat nest
Really curious if it’s in the patch notes
sand sluice
Which thing?
neat nest
The wstr
sand sluice
I've no idea
neat nest
Same I’m kinda just burning time since I think the notes come out in 25 minutes
chilly pebble
Got bored in the recent cod style emblem creator that warframe added for a specific things abilities
neat nest
Haha
chilly pebble
Also got the lil fucker but don't got enough things to make its legs
sand sluice
I'm just trying to get sleep schedule sorted out
Cause every time I play at 3 AM on weekdays it goes terrible
placid oxide
Yeah no that’s a wild time to que up if you’re in NA lol
Going to get the sweats and no-lifers at that time
sand sluice
Also maybe a cheater
chilly pebble
sand sluice
Impossible for me to know for sure but I reported anyways since right after killing me after not having a clear indication of where I was at, they immediately clocked and shot someone else
I do kinda cope that they like
Keep making more ways to get prestige salvage
oak glacier
Disciples of Arachne earnable shell styles are now available in the Codex.
were so back
The C.A.R.R.I. Armory allows you to spend CyberAcme Commendations for Salvage Crates that grant a random stack of Salvage items or Reputation Packs that provide reputation for their associated faction. Salvage Crate and Sponsored Kit stock refreshes daily while other C.A.R.R.I. offers do not refresh and can only be purchased once.
oak glacier
Added 11 new Deluxe (Blue rarity) Unique weapons
ayo???
All Railguns will now no longer auto-fire when the maximum charge time has been met. Also, charged Railguns can now be held indefinitely.
WERE SO BACK
neat nest
Oh thank goodness
neat nest
> All Railguns will now no longer auto-fire when the maximum charge time has bee...
Haha yesssss
swift sluice
Purple Thermal eating into Aim Assist and Range sounds pretty major, going by how much giving up both hurt in D2.
oak glacier
Added Depleted Self-Revive kits that spawn during solo play only.
oooooooh
Added the Mercy Kit which allows you to revive downed enemy Runners. Eliminated enemy Runners cannot be revived with a Mercy Kit.
LOL
placid oxide
Well Vandal technically got buffed but that hardly feels like a comprehensive look
placid oxide
They mentioned both in the post so I just assumed they were both getting some sort of look?
Changes all look great though, I’m hoping CARRI helps to solve the salvage issue
tawdry sequoia
Fixed an issue where Volt Cell weapons were not generating heat on impact with enemies.
huuuuuuuuh
neat nest
Good shit
tawdry sequoia
Ares RG
Reduced base charge time from 2 seconds to 1.25 seconds.
sand sluice
Vandal still needs buffs yeah
wraith vector
Mercy Kits are prime Rook shenanigans
neat nest
Vandal did get a small buff at least (30 seconds off Amplify CD)
oak glacier
Thermals
Removed all Deluxe rarity thermal optics across all weapon archetypes from the loot tables and they can no longer drop. Superior SP Scope III sniper optics now decreases aim assist and range stats in addition to the ADS speed penalties. Decreased Superior SP Scope III sniper optics thermal highlight range from 100m to 80m.
deluxe is the blue ones right?
sand sluice
Ye
neat nest
Yeah
oak glacier
sand sluice
Superior is Purp
neat nest
Curious if my blue thermal longshot is just ultra rare now
sand sluice
As rare as compromised gear in your vault maybe lol
oak glacier
cant wait to see someone die to their own disinjector
placid oxide
Self damage is the best change made imo
neat nest
Yeah it was fuckin weird how you could use it with the lack of self damage
tawdry sequoia
I'm glad they are making the thief drone noisier
it was basically inaudible until it was already rifling through your pockets
neat nest
Yeah it was weird
wraith vector
It's noisy as fuck when flying so for a while I thought people could hear it
tawdry sequoia
yeah piloting it sounds appropriately loud for a rotor drone, but mostly I just notice the light
or the sudden lack of purples in my inventory
wraith vector
I basically feel like I've never been thief droned
tawdry sequoia
arguably the most infuriating thing in the game that isn't completely unfair
wraith vector
Never see folks goin for it
tawdry sequoia
we must be in very different level brackets then cause it shows up reliably for me
wraith vector
I am simple babby
tawdry sequoia
last friday I think, there were two
wraith vector
All I gots on the docket is Assassins and Triages
tawdry sequoia
maybe this is a solo thing
wraith vector
It does feel a lil awk in squads
To be like 'i will now sit down for like a minute'
sand sluice
Thief drone in squads serves primarily for info
neat nest
It’s ideal in squads
tawdry sequoia
live positional updates are amazing
neat nest
Extremely strong and safe way to scout
sand sluice
For solos it just depends
wraith vector
Oh using it Crypto style is nice
neat nest
And less chance of being snuck up on while you have a solar brightness visor active
wraith vector
But robbery excursions take forever
sand sluice
I wouldn't mind seeing more thief and thief drones
But tbf seeing anything not assassin is refreshing in solos
tawdry sequoia
solos is a different beast, really
sand sluice
It is
tawdry sequoia
I think I see her fairly frequently in trios
wraith vector
I see her a lot but never get robbed
tawdry sequoia
vandal/recon, but that'll shift now
wraith vector
Idk how yall do Solos seems immensely stresslike
sand sluice
Before level break it's not that bad
wraith vector
I just Rook it out
sand sluice
After level break you basically take in gear or play thief/assassin
tawdry sequoia
I prefer trios, though if there is someone to talk to in VC I mind solos less
wraith vector
(Level break?)
neat nest
Idk how yall do Solos seems immensely stresslike
It’s a mix for me
tawdry sequoia
reduces the stress levels to have someone there
neat nest
On the one hand no backup
wraith vector
A lone runner is just so oneshotable
neat nest
On the other hand I don’t have to worry about the 2 buddies the guy I’m shooting has being right behind me
tawdry sequoia
yeah your mistake allowance is way smaller in solos
sand sluice
Yeah, while there's no sbmm, there's a point in you get put into higher levels but Idk how strong it is.
It feels like it exists due to suddenly shifting from more normal lobbies to lobbies where literally no uesc is ever fought intentionally outside of outpost
But I also don't have a 2nd account to grind lower level solos in to fully tell
wraith vector
Outpost really cranks em out
wraith vector
The build of it seems good for that
All corners and hallways and cover
Feels great to Rook in
sand sluice
Outpost is also good for Rook because Rook gets a shotgun + map is smaller with various spots to loot with worth stuff
wraith vector
What Vandal buffs are folks looking for anyhow
sand sluice
While both Dire Marsh and Perimeter have less worth stuff in general (maybe now it's more worth due to carri)
wraith vector
I wouldn't mind more oomph on double jump and less heat from slide
Double jump compared to Destroyer Dash is tragic
placid oxide
Let vandal slide cancel
oak glacier
Proximity Chat Toggle
There’s a new “toggle to open” proximity chat option, so it’s easier to speak and agree to terms with other players.
oh this is nice
sand sluice
What Vandal buffs are folks looking for anyhow
I mean I could say that without seeing recon I could argue for buffs for vandal and nerfs for assassin.
Vandal buffs would primarily be mid air boost akin to destroyer on like shift where she dives into a slide mid air.
Or Alternatively let her slide cancel which would make her have strong mobility on the ground.
Also rework her core that lets her rocket jump so she also gets to ready her weapons quicker to make that core not as much of a meme
But tbf the core rework is getting into that like
"Are you balancing around people that can react to the rocket jump"
Which is a small amount of the players
chilly pebble
New Consumable: Mercy Kit
Sometimes you shoot first and ask questions later. If you down an enemy but think there’s potential to turn them into an ally, you can now use a Mercy Kit to revive them.
Only Runners who have been downed can be revived with a Mercy Kit. Once they’ve been fully eliminated, you can't help them. Mercy Kits cannot be used on your allies or yourself. All Rooks now spawn with a Mercy Kit by default.
Rooks together strong
Making self revives also purple is gonna be so annoying for thief, bubble shields being purple was already annoying enough
Literally only one minor change to vandal is hilarious for how much they've been saying they'd buff her though
wraith vector
Self revive steal has to be the hardest you can disrespect a runner
It's so painful
oak glacier
i assume they just focused on recon for this patch
since they communicated plans for it more
swift sluice
Stealing bubble shield sounds potentially helpful in Cryo and big fights at least
chilly pebble
They said they'd buff both this patch is the thing
oak glacier
and they did
but pre patch we had exact details on all the recon changes, and nothing on vandal
chilly pebble
Self revive steal has to be the hardest you can disrespect a runner
Wait lmao you're right I didn't think of that, this now means thief drone will prio the self rez the majority of the time
tawdry sequoia
yeah a thief stealing your stuff was annoying before, but now it's way more dangerous cause bubbles and self rez are high priority
sand sluice
I'm coping more balance adjustments
But impossible to know, might be all we get until s2
oak glacier
the vandal buff seems like a clear band-aid until they can fix her more properly