lol
#Marathon
cinder hare
placid oxide
If someone wants to hard commit to using a knife to the point they can punch through gold shields then who am I to argue
mossy bridge
hell yes
placid oxide
Were snipers considered too strong outside of thermal scopes?
mossy bridge
The knife is a bit too strong so I hope they don’t overcorrect
mossy bridge
Were snipers considered too strong outside of thermal scopes?
I saw people discussing them in the discord and apparently with an Outland you can one shot people
Through shields
With a headshot
cinder hare
Were snipers considered too strong outside of thermal scopes?
Yeah they’re super strong in this game
mossy bridge
Ranked is basically just shotguns and snipers
cinder hare
Perimeter, Dire Marsh are very sniper oriented
placid oxide
That much I knew, I just didn’t realize they were considered a severe problem outside the context of thermals
slate field
Thermals aren't even that good anymore
They don't work when you're invisible and their limited range makes them less than useless in certain scenarios
I will say though, they're definitely too common. I have about a dozen blue thermals in my vault rn just from random looting
neat nest
Snipers are very strong with their potential 1 shots or 1-backs and utility at shorter range
mossy bridge
oh yeah that too people keep going for no scopes in close quarters with them
slate field
Snipers definitely could use a fire rate and hipfire accuracy nerf
cinder hare
cinder hare
Snipers definitely could use a fire rate and hipfire accuracy nerf
I honestly like the Longshot being fast
slate field
Longshot is good without feeling too OP imo
cinder hare
They could add another shot to its damage breakpoint though
slate field
I believe it only one-shots grey shields on a headshot
cinder hare
Yeah but it’s fast as hell
neat nest
I think it’s ok if grey shields can be one shot
cinder hare
It does feel bad when you’re a green shield and suddenly you’re out to 25 HP
cosmic flame
I also wonder how much of it is ammo econ
cosmic flame
being able to go for 100 shots in a row is a lot less powerful if you have 1 mag in reserve
mossy bridge
Long shot is fine
I feel like the channel rifle is too expensive for what it does
And I have never seen a single Outland
mortal magnet
I've been feeling like Vandal is one of the best frames so I am suprised they are planning on buffing them
Double Jump saves me so much
mossy bridge
honestly both of the volt cell guns are too expensive
their schemas are 15k each, gray, no mods
and their mods are rare
circuit breaker is fine, it’s fun it’s a pretty good shotgun, if you pre charge it and get good with aiming you can do some serious damage
Haven’t seen any love for the channel rifle
slate field
I've heard from people who've used the Channel that it's fun
mossy bridge
I've been feeling like Vandal is one of the best frames so I am suprised they ar...
Destroyer is more mobile than vandal the mobility frame
He has turbo sprint that isn’t on a huge cooldown and an armored core quickboost which can be used with his shield to completely fuck with the aiming of most people
mossy bridge
Meanwhile vandal has a slide that’s more trouble than it’s worth most of the time, a double jump which is good, a cannon that’s only really exceptional with tag! and cut to the chase, and a free cardio kick every 150 seconds
recon has Nothing.
she has. Nothing
slate field
The arm cannon is very useful for setting up skeet shots or for knocking people out of cover
mossy bridge
her drone is soooo dumb and her wall hacks give away her position
mossy bridge
The arm cannon is very useful for setting up skeet shots or for knocking people ...
this is true but it’s gotten me killed more times than not using it
cinder hare
Her wallhacks are fine honestly
slate field
Recon's wall hacks giving away her position isn't the problem. It's not being able to tell what's a runner and what's not
cinder hare
The drone could be nerfed in some ways (claymore) but outside of that it’s just annoying asf to shoot
mossy bridge
Recon's wall hacks giving away her position isn't the problem. It's not being ab...
oh yeah I should’ve mentioned that
slate field
It doesn't give you any more info than a TAD does
mossy bridge
It gives away your position while just being a worse TAD (longer cooldown)
cinder hare
I honestly like how Thief’s hacks are good as anti-smoke but at the cost of revealing your position
wraith vector
Ranked is basically just shotguns and snipers
Halo reaching through time to continue Bungie tradition
cinder hare
It’s so good against assassins
slate field
You can tell what's a runner and what's not!
With how much is going on screen at any given time, a nice clear visual indicator would be appreciated
It generates so much visual clutter that half of the time it isn't worth popping her ult other than to check if there's enemies nearby in general, which is pointless if you can hear
I don't know how you can tell at a glance what's a player or not because it doesn't fucking tell you
The bots move like players at times so it's hard to tell based off that, plus the pings aren't live unless you have direct visual confirmation
wraith vector
If you can see the strength of the shield above the dot, that's bots, if it's just the dot, that's peoples
but it still feels worse than Thief Vision
slate field
That's not useful because some bots have green, blue, or purple shields
Wardens have gold
dusk nebula
Just yell at the people and see if they respond, if they don't, shoot to kill
slate field
Smart players wouldn't respond though
wraith vector
The shield color doesn't matter, Runners don't show one at all
slate field
That's not true
dusk nebula
Smart players wouldn't respond though
Nah they're lame
wraith vector
bewildered squint
slate field
I've literally tested that
neat nest
I've been feeling like Vandal is one of the best frames so I am suprised they ar...
I think Vandal is in a pretty ok state, but Destroyer has a lot of QoL advantages. Double jump is goated though and kind of saves the shell
cosmic flame
dragon install Vandal does genuinely seem batshit insane when played by someone with hands
slate field
Double jump is good but generates a bit too much heat
neat nest
she has. Nothing
Recon interrogation is really good but it's not enough
cosmic flame
the ability to peek at a 180 degree angle from where you used to be is pretty batshit and your ability to get from cover to cover at a low angle that's really hard to track is hot
neat nest
dragon install Vandal does genuinely seem batshit insane when played by someone ...
I think Amplify is also the only ability which limit breaks the movement caps outside of tacsprint
wraith vector
Vandal Ult adds a lot of stuff the UI doesn't mention, feels like
patent thicket
Most of the time I get killed, it's by a Vandal.
neat nest
I think it's what:
- heat reset
- reduced heat gain
- improved reload speed
- improved weapon switch speed
- improved ads time
- improved hipfire accuracy
- universal speed improvement
I might be missing some
cosmic flame
if you're already up the tech tree far enough to where you can reliably get shotguns/snipes then her advantages are lessened because one shot will still explode you, but if you're still on tracking weapons then she's an absolute menace to deal with
slate field
Most of the time I get killed, it's by a Vandal.
It's like Wraith mains from Apex all over again thousand yard stares off into the distance
patent thicket
I have no idea what that is.
slate field
Wraith is a character from Apex Legends that is infamous for being mained by ultrasweaty players
cosmic flame
wraith was just the de facto sweatlord character for apex mains because she had a really good selfish kit and a lithe, twinkish hitbox
wraith vector
Naaaah, Assassins are the new Wraith Mains imo
neat nest
Bald lady with... basically Lancer intangible as an ability
slate field
Naaaah, Assassins are the new Wraith Mains imo
Except most Assassin mains are trash
wraith vector
Also true for wraith
cosmic flame
basically the tracer function in terms of being an annoying ass to actually hit and then also mained by sickos and freaks
patent thicket
I picked Destroyer because it's the most Standard John Shootman out of the lineup.
TF2 Scout
neat nest
I don't really have a main
wraith vector
/wistful hand toward TF2 scattergun
neat nest
I gravitated to Recon in the MCTT but we don't got MCTT Recon rn
cosmic flame
I am relegated towards triage as the person on the team who is generally alive the longest
neat nest
(Bungo plz I want to be an elo terrorist again)
cosmic flame
an unfortunate burden but it is what it is
slate field
I enjoy playing Assassin the most but I also really enjoy Triage and Thief. And Recon, despite her shortcomings
placid oxide
Triage is fun in groups but I love Vandal as a solo
wraith vector
Recon is a hoot right up until your spider drone decides to go for a walk instead of targetting the three people in your LOS
cosmic flame
I love playing destroyer but unfortunately nobody else in my usual stacks are as good at pvp so I just kind of get left with my thumb up my butt
neat nest
Once they buff the pulse some and make the drone remember it's meant to run at people better I think she'll be back
cosmic flame
better to play triage and be able to sherpa more effectively
slate field
Vandal is really the only one I don't vibe with despite her mobility, and I've not gotten good enough with Destroyer to properly enjoy playing as him yet
cosmic flame
reduces the overall attrition on teammates with low/no meds, worst comes to worst I can use them as a human flashbang and peek the people who instadown them again
wraith vector
not to be back on the Apex but Destroyer feels like he has Gibraltar Hitbox Problems
split apex
The tracker drone's AI is truly dogshit
wraith vector
I swear I get OHKO'd more on that football boy than anyone else
split apex
If they fix that it'll help a lot
neat nest
I swear I get OHKO'd more on that football boy than anyone else
It's basically a frag grenade people can shoot rn
I guess more like a heat grenade
patent thicket
I feel like Destroyer should be marginally more durable than the other Shells, but I don't know how much or in what way.
wraith vector
Take the Deadlock route and give Recon/Destroyers giant heads damage reduction
probably don't do this i don't actually know any hitbox differences
cosmic flame
i think it's pretty much placebo
neat nest
not to be back on the Apex but Destroyer feels like he has Gibraltar Hitbox Prob...
I don't think destroyer is actually very bulky but I haven't seen hitboxes
The big bodies in Apex are hueg
Destroyer is like, super waifish but with armor to appear bulky while about the same size
wraith vector
Newcastle was like Two Wraiths it was so bad
cinder hare
I think Triage, Thief, and Destroyer feel incredible to play rn
cosmic flame
until we actually get a hitbox viewer 99% of the time people claim stuff is different, it is not
cinder hare
Triage is like, Active Ability Man
cosmic flame
honestly just for laziness' sake i assume they would keep the hitboxes the same
cinder hare
And has the craziest volt cores ever
cosmic flame
why bother drawing up skullgirls hitboxes for every single frame
mossy bridge
Triage is the one use case I can see for the alternating current chip
cosmic flame
just use john skeleton instead
wraith vector
Triage feels more Guns Shootman than anyone tbh
cinder hare
Thief has like, Kit of All Time
neat nest
Yeah I reallize like Triage
cosmic flame
it's crazy that triage has the ability to on-command give himself rampage and it's balanced
cinder hare
And Destroyer has like, really good horizontal movement plus MO DAMAGE
cosmic flame
just inexplicable
neat nest
They did a great job making a support medic who isn't like, Mercy or Medic or something where you need a battle buddy
mossy bridge
Assassin is also good I guess
mossy bridge
They did a great job making a support medic who isn't like, Mercy or Medic or so...
A support who can support while also dealing damage????? Unheard of!!!
slate field
If I had to speculate, I'd say the reason Destroyer feels like he's easier to hit is because he's both more likely to be out in the open due to his playstyle, and he has one of the most recognizable silhouettes besides Vandal
neat nest
Assassin is kind of a self-chosen crutch character for a lot of people but good assassins are so annoyingly good
wraith vector
the worst part of assassin is assassin vs assassin
just smoke and knives and bullshit
cinder hare
Not a big fan of Assassin, Recon’s kits in their current state
patent thicket
Assassin.
slate field
Assassin vs. Assassin is so fun tho
Real game of cat and mouse
Until you get third partied, ofc
slate field
Assassin.
I have literally just cheesed it from fights where I was at a disadvantage as Assassin. Discretion is the better part of valor, and all that
Though it doesn't quite compare to the feeling of slingshotting yourself out of harm's way with a good Thief grapple
placid oxide
The jets are such a fun detail
patent thicket
"NIGERUNDAYOOOOOOoooo~"
neat nest
They really do need to change up this sucker though
slate field
I love my idiot crab son (derogatory)
patent thicket
Does anyone want to help me collect unstable biomass?
neat nest
Sure I've got an urge to play and no particular goals atm
mossy bridge
Apparently it deals collision damage
One of his mastery challenges is to kill someone after kool aid manning through a window
It’s even called Oh Yeah
slate field
One of his mastery challenges is to kill someone after kool aid manning through ...
I saw that, it's great
mossy bridge
Still need to finish the last thief one
slate field
I think I got that one recently
mossy bridge
Aka take a self revive from a downed player
There’s also the high up kill as vandal and the slide into shotgun kill
slate field
Aka take a self revive from a downed player
That's so fucking mean lmao
mossy bridge
I feel like cryo would be the best place to farm for that frankly
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up for a game or two?\
placid oxide
The high up kill seems like it’d be good to do at Maintenance?
Just camp up top and snipe some poor sap
random vessel
I don't wanna meet nowhere. Pull up in front of Hauler. Matter fact, you ain't even gotta pull up in front of Hauler. Pull up in front of the motherfuckin' Station and let's bang out. Right outside Data Wall, you know where it's at. You studied the whole of Perimeter. Or pull up in front of the tick house and let's bang out. And let's do it for Arachne. I throw my life away, you throw your life away, right now. Right now. Let's do it for Arachne. Right now. And if you win, I bring- I make sure I got like 70,000 credits my loadout. If you body me, you can take the gear. Right now. I hate you runner. Let's die.
perimeter warrior mindset
cosmic flame
this is one of my favourite videos ever
twin rain
what's this from haha
placid oxide
The secret codex entry you get from Charter when you max out Arachne
obsidian latch
```I don't wanna meet nowhere. Pull up in front of Hauler. Matter fact, you ain'...
This is great
chilly pebble
I am finally done with coevo
What kinda asshole you gotta be to camp to coevo 5 lockdown with a thermal sniper though
cinder hare
What kinda asshole you gotta be to camp to coevo 5 lockdown with a thermal snipe...
That’s called playing Marathon lmao
chilly pebble
Yeah but deliberately camping a quest location
cinder hare
That’s how ya play it lmao
obsidian latch
It can be frustrating but I’ve made my peace that people play this game like demons so you gotta do it right back to em
cinder hare
Yeah I camp them sometimes too
I like how one of my teams gave up trying to do their quest and just did my quest for me lol
They couldn’t find the thing they needed in southern quarantine, so I just took my quarantine item, bounced a little to intersection, they ended up following me cuz an exfil spawned nearby, and I just did my quest
It was just “kill a commander”, pretty easy
Also I like how Orion hates Mida not because they’re being revolutionaries but because they’re shit at changing things for the better
obsidian latch
Orion 100% is gonna found Outer Heaven on Tau Ceti after he gets the shits of doing UESCs grunt work
chilly pebble
Meanwhile nona just wants grandchildren
obsidian latch
ONI: Hi runner here’s a job for you I think it would help your mission : )
Nona: hello grandchild would you love me if I wasn’t a worm?
ORION: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R4xWbRBLj2I&list=RDR4xWbRBLj2I&start_radio=1&pp=ygUNaGVyZSdzIHRvIHlvdaAHAQ%3D%3D
patent thicket
Okay a lot of the guns in this game look kinda goofy, but this straight up looks like a LEGO set.
cinder hare
tbf 3D printed modular weapons will do that to ya
patent thicket
Yeah. It's not really a complaint but it does look kinda goofy.
twin rain
I've come around to it.
but wait til you look at the zeus, the weapon where like 80% of the mass is to the right of the handle/"barrel"
neat nest
The Outland is the weirdest
patent thicket
I like it.
craggy laurel
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone down for a few runs? Want to give Parasitism 1/5 a try too
chilly pebble
sure
cinder hare
id run but im at school rn
twin rain
I can go
chrome rapids
Im down
chrome rapids
You sure?
twin rain
ya
patent thicket
Man, Rook can be a lot of fun.
patent thicket
Rook can be a lot of fun.
cinder hare
also im curious how knife scaling changes are gonna work
i presume their goal is to make stuff like the gold assassin core usable
chilly pebble
I feel like they'll probably nerf the implants that give knife damage
twin rain
wouldn't be surprised if the arachne upgrades were smaller too. but yeah the simple answer is just: there's less bonus melee damage out there
chilly pebble
obsidian latch
Imagining the drone zipping around and crawling over the recon and making babbling noises like smiling friends character
Literally this
chilly pebble
cinder hare
I think it’d be funny if Volt battery weapons did EMP if you hit enough charge shots or something
oak glacier
That's called being triage
Breaking shields with a volt weapon while battery charge is active EMPs the enemy
placid oxide
I gotta be better about running a volt weapon with triage for that, it’s always brutal when I’m on the receiving end.
tawdry sequoia
I've mostly managed to get myself killed by hitting it and finding myself a sitting duck for the animation
there was one particularly awful case where I hit it, stepped around a corner, got rushed by someone there, panicked, tried to switch to knife, at which point it seemed like it swapped to knife, and reset the animation
so I was just stuck holding up my arms as someone magdumped into me
I don't usually lose my cool at the game but that one got me swearing
twin rain
Managed to corall a couple of free kits to take down the tox warden on Outpost the other night. Got my first Marathon key (vault 5)! Had to corpse drag them a bit afterwards to finish their quest, but we got into pinwheel too afterwards. Nice when it all comes together gently like that.
neat nest
Noice
placid oxide
Tox with free kits is dope by itself too, my teams that attempt that usually wind up choking to death in the showers upstairs in dorms
mossy bridge
Managed to corall a couple of free kits to take down the tox warden on Outpost t...
i got a key for cryo archive yesterday
generator key
something about vault 2
sand sluice
Seeing the buffs to vandal and recon
That's good
After seeing how strong assassin is tho I'm surprised they havent nerfed him
But tbf not nerfing assassin and thermals in the same patch makes sense
On the other hand assassin is always gonna be a contention point
And if camo is based on movement speed like some claim then keyboard players will forever be at a disadvantage unless they want to allow analog keyboards
sand sluice
Nah just seeing the intent
placid oxide
Nah, nothing concrete
sand sluice
But then again dying to assassin invis might be entirely a skill issue atm
placid oxide
Invis is definitely partially based on movement, just isn’t always consistent about how much it drops when the assassin moves it feels like
I’ve definitely seen clips where the assassin is full tilt moving and not showing up at all, which could be connection issues as well honestly
sand sluice
Testing some people did basically puts it as
-you can always hear crouch walking, no matter the speed, if slower via analog, you hear the footstep at the end of the animation
-assassin is full invis when crouch walking with the exception of their shadow
placid oxide
Shadow isn’t always feasible to pick out, depending on the terrain
sand sluice
It's generally not a feasible strat at all because of first shot favoritism
But it is loud enough that if they aren't just gonna shoot you and they try to get close you 100% can pick out the sound and shoot them if audio feedback is clear enough
placid oxide
Big if there though as well with audio, it is good but not always enough to fully pinpoint the angle
sand sluice
But that's where the whole "skill" part comes into play cause that enters tarkov spawn grenade throw territory that you can expect from 10000 hr people
placid oxide
Chem grenade stocks keep rising
And heat honestly, shutting off their ability to sprint is clutch
sand sluice
Also as a thing for snipers being so strong
As far as I can tell you have no penalty when moving and shooting
You can do jump shots while ads
placid oxide
It’s a funny image but can see how that’s a concern, lol
Vandal double-jump sniper tech from behind a wall
sand sluice
Ye, it's not a concern yet cause it's def really early and all the spots you can use it are pretty slim but I've done it a few times
I need to start using volt weapons on triage tho
placid oxide
Same
sand sluice
I thought the emp hit was with all weapons
Ima be sad tho cause I love the shield from the lmgs q_q
placid oxide
A pumped up scar or the circuit breaker seems like a fantastic candidate
Feels weird that there isn’t a volt LMG
neat nest
Testing some people did basically puts it as
-you can always hear crouch walkin...
I have seen crouch walking assassins against simple backgrounds it’s not perfect it’s just good
sand sluice
I have seen crouch walking assassins against simple backgrounds it’s not perfect...
That's where it's confusing
There's also examples on flat backgrounds like in the vent that people were arguing on the marathon reddit because of the video compression, meanwhile the poster of the video said they didn't see it so I'm curious if resolution has an affect too among other settings
Which like
Maybe it's location dependent
neat nest
This was against the orange floor of Processing
sand sluice
Ye, meanwhile I know on dire marsh and perimeter I've had multiple times they've moved and I didn't see them at all, even against flat terrain
mossy bridge
im telling you man people are just bad at looting
i got so much good shit from a rook run
neural insulation in some random fuckass crate in flight control, tons of valuables from drone wing
sand sluice
If outpost it's because people prio the big loot
mossy bridge
i'd call neural insulation some big loot
sand sluice
Yeah but you got it from a random box in flight control
mossy bridge
it was near the front entrance bit
neat nest
im telling you man people are just bad at looting
Yeah it’s wild
sand sluice
I mean big loot as is, people prio pinwheel and guaranteed boxes
You can theoretically find gold loot in any box
neat nest
I found a purple in a random box in South relay once
mossy bridge
i'd say half my purple salvage is from random ass crates
the other half from looting players or pinwheel
sand sluice
#1360700632998215701 message
Ye purple salvage you can get if you hit a location enough times
Ive been struggling more personally with gold salvage
neat nest
I think the most reliable way to do golds fast is cryo vaults
But uhhh
That’s reliable in terms of spawns not runs lol
placid oxide
Yeah lol, that’s a big ask for the average runner
neat nest
“Just do cryo vault runs 4head” is iffy advice yeah
I think the Outpost convoy also has them sometimes?
placid oxide
“Just kill the compiler”
neat nest
“Compiler pinnacle loot room has em, ez”
placid oxide
It is wild listening to the topend players talk about this game and their complaints are so far removed from the majority of the playerbase, lol.
sand sluice
Usually when I see actual top player complaints they're usually just ahead by 2-3 weeks
Like them raising concerns over knife damage
neat nest
I think some of them are different but regarding gear stuff yeah often it’s a preview
sand sluice
Which ones? Most I hear are from specific set so probably just missing others complain about things
neat nest
I think knife damage has to stay high at least potentially for ecosystem reasons but I also think the Arachne upgrades are too strong and centralizing
Arachne giving +60 melee damage and heal on heavy knife hit is wild
But I think if shotguns are going to be strong knives need to be at least good
mossy bridge
i don't think they're gutting the knife lol
placid oxide
Yeah I feel like if knives get hit too hard then you just push the meta more towards wstr crntral
mossy bridge
just making it less completely dominant
placid oxide
My impression was they were making it less scaleable
neat nest
My guess is that they might literally just nerf the Arachne upgrades
placid oxide
Perhaps to make it more of a build you have to commit to, rather than almost being incidental
neat nest
So you actually need to slot a knife fight or whatever to have a crazy good knife
placid oxide
That’s my thought yeah
mossy bridge
i did say that halving the arachne mods would be the best nerf possible
sand sluice
For me I'd say nerf a lot of the stat boosts
Make the shells shine better
Mida agility and heat upgrades, arachne knife and rez, etc, etc
neat nest
Less shells and more implants imo
Currently they’re in a weird spot where your build is like
Slot in whatever you didn’t mostly max out from faction boosts
sand sluice
I can see that
neat nest
Since no one needs 145 melee damage
sand sluice
But for me I feel like they'd have to really buff implants or really nerf certain shells with their gimmicks
mossy bridge
i would like to see implants be more dominant
but have their downsides be more weighted
sand sluice
Cause rn you have shells that receive massive benefits off 1-2 stat boosts compared to other shells assuming you're looking at base shells
Like destroyer getting heat buffs means indirectly buffing mobility too
Assassin getting agility means indirectly buffing their stealth antics
Trying to think wrt to vandal, triage, and recon
placid oxide
Ability recharge feels great for triage that’s for sure
sand sluice
Hmm
placid oxide
The difference in drone output you get with that being bumped up is really noticeable to me
sand sluice
Yeah cause that would buff their all rounded kit
Cause rn with sekiguchi upgraded or w/e was I have drone at the beginning of raid
neat nest
The difference in drone output you get with that being bumped up is really notic...
Prime ability recharge is similarly huge for Recon
sand sluice
Yeah would be curious, still feels like certain shells get stronger advantages over singular stat buffs than others but tbf would have to fully see it
mossy bridge
prime recharge is also nice on vandal so you can use overdrive more
aka get a free, far stronger cardio kick
neat nest
I think X recharges are percent based so longer cooldowns see more seconds removed
sand sluice
I imagine it'll be even better once assumed vandal buffs happen
mossy bridge
does anyone have the melee damage chart
sand sluice
placid oxide
Someone suggested removing vandal footsteps during her prime and that sounds OP frankly
sand sluice
That is funny
placid oxide
Move like a bullet and do so completely silently
sand sluice
I'd have no idea how it would be tho lol
Kind of want to buy a 2nd copy just to record running through all the priority contracts
twin rain
You'll get your chance again in 3 months
placid oxide
If the contracts are the same
(I’m hyping myself into thinking they may change them up)
twin rain
Yeah they might (or at least change the narrative).
placid oxide
I’d hope so, so that even if we aren’t getting new maps we at least get some story progression.
patent thicket
I think I experienced a tiny thing that was the Rook Experience distilled into a single moment.
Finding some Credits in a toilet and being very pleased to get them.
sand sluice
My favorite is wiping a team in ranked
And their gear is at max traces
So you look their 3k gun and it converts into 3k credits that only take 1 space lol
patent thicket
I spawned in the toilet, I got my loot from a toilet, I flushed myself down the toilet that is Exfil.
sand sluice
Truely worm poop just like the movie dune
patent thicket
Rook voice: “toilet credits :)”
The Rook’s voice cracks me up. I would describe it as “speaking in all lower case.”
“oh no”
Rook is just Raccoon Simulator. Garbage Shell that lives in the garbage, by the garbage and for the garbage.
I’m very enamored with it.
The Rook Experience:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W8MbyfCrrWQ
neat nest
The Rook’s voice cracks me up. I would describe it as “speaking in all lower cas...
It’s true lmfao
cinder hare
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Marathon/s/lT5GwYzsdy
rxddit
neat nest
They should add a net worth over time graph omg
cinder hare
They should lmao
patent thicket
That would edge it even closer to Cruelty Squad so I’m all for it.
mossy bridge
when are we getting a stock market and fish betting
cinder hare
Some people suggested adding some map event like the lockdown to perimeter
mossy bridge
oh outpost only spawns six players on solo
cinder hare
I kinda like that idea
mossy bridge
crazy
mossy bridge
yeah i did an outpost game with an empty "recently played with" and there was only six people
perimeter has 8
neat nest
Oh cool
Outpost only has 12 runners in trios too
But perimeter has 15
I wonder how they do solos?
sand sluice
only 6? huh
chilly pebble
I feel like it used to be more
neat nest
Outpost is also funky because like 12 rooks can spawn
chilly pebble
yeah the rook amount is crazy
which is honestly great cause only a couple might go to pinwheel anyway
hell I had a run yesterday where we did command wing and didn't see a single rook
sand sluice
Me when ranked over: 
Me when next week ranked is outpost with less teams and I've been stockpiling wstrs 
neat nest
this thing goes crazy
I wish they were easier to find I love that gun
mossy bridge
for a free kit andy run this went shockingly well
sand sluice
when is it gonna be uesc free kit
echo scroll
patent thicket
I haven’t been caught in a UESC lockdown yet. What happens? Are you just trapped in that box?
sand sluice
nop
mossy bridge
it does DOT if you dont have an antivirus pack
and it spawns goons to fight
and then loot
sand sluice
it's a damage zone that will quickly kill you unless you have the antivirus buff
mossy bridge
yeah
patent thicket
Ah.
sand sluice
it spawns a blue spherical box that emits a beam of blue light and a drive next to it. In the lockdown zone is a key, you find the key, then grab the drive next to the box and can either start the box unlock or turn off the zone and then start the box unlock
it'll then spawn 3 waves of enemies and you kill them to be able to open the box
then it starts a lockdown in another zone
chilly pebble
The angry rectangle
sand sluice
then repeats once more after that for a total of 3
where the 3rd box features some of the best loot in the game non cryo
mossy bridge
welp ran into my first hacker
made the minimum amount of noise possible yet somehow knew where i was
i was quiet as a mouse, didn't do anything
sand sluice
you mean like, literally stand absolutely still in a corner?
mossy bridge
was aimed at me the second i rounded the corner
chilly pebble
you still make decent noise when crouch walking
sand sluice
then hard to say unfortunately, you made noise when you moved around the corner, you can def report it if you feel like it
mossy bridge
no i was walking while crouched and it was raining, he was aiming down the sights at me crouched on top of one of the containers inside of processing
i checked his steam account and a lot of people said he was a destiny 2 cheater
sand sluice
then ye use recent players function to report cheating
mossy bridge
already done
neat nest
Yeah that seems sketchy
chilly pebble
you'd be surprised how easy it is to hear crouched people even when raining though
sand sluice
I mean yes
I wouldn't say it's guaranteed even with people spamming their steam profile
but that's why the report button exists, if you think it's true you report and let bungie sort it out
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up for some runs?
mossy bridge
do you want to suffer through co evolution 5/5
cinder hare
do you want to suffer through co evolution 5/5
sure thats my quest too
lmao team flamed me when i was the one who carried them 😭
mossy bridge
guess we just need a third
chilly pebble
Sure I'll help with that
chilly pebble
Nalesh#3267
mossy bridge
darsh my beloathed
chilly pebble
you need more than one antivirus btw since you also need the actual buff
mossy bridge
does the simbiont not count
sand sluice
no
mossy bridge
guess i'll bring a stack + one for the simbiont
@cinder hare what's your bungie name
cinder hare
in a game rn
mossy bridge
k
cinder hare
almost done
stole a strongbox in destroyed, got out, and finished mida's camera quest, 4/5
cinder hare
<@634903819792416778> what's your bungie name
binah#9506
patent thicket
I’m gonna have some free time tonight, so I’d like to take a crack at getting more Arachne rep if anyone wants to help me out in a few hours.
neat nest
I’m gonna have some free time tonight, so I’d like to take a crack at getting mo...
I’m down if I’m free
(Not sure if I am yet)
placid oxide
I’ll be on tonight for contracts, outpost, or the lose everything factory
cinder hare
I need to level traxus and Mida and finish seki 5/5
placid oxide
Loot a random kill on perimeter
Cryo Archive 3 key
My friend why were you still taking fights
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> recon details
The queen is coming back
I also like pulse partially bypassing jammer
That’s new
placid oxide
I like the mind game potential of it still too if you are aware pulse is being used
Also interested to see how aggro they made the drone, picturing spirit breaker in mechanized spider form
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> recon details
I believe there’s this thing about if you can’t see the shield level, it’s a player
twin rain
it could also use the usual homonculus icons for player pings
or maybe they bring back the counter too. we'll have to wait n see
placid oxide
Now I wanna see vandal changes
cinder hare
Hold crouch to slide?
indigo oriole
vandal should explode at the end of a slide
placid oxide
I do love techies
neat nest
it could also use the usual homonculus icons for player pings
I assume it’ll be like the MCTT where you got full “crosshair pings” for runners
late geyser
hey so
if you're the guys i just ganked with a gold shield on pinwheel
what were you doing with that?!
and thank you for holding still long enough for me to finish the job
cinder hare
also claymore rook is insane
i downed 2 once
could've gone for 3 if i had the WSTR, and didnt misplace my clay
neat nest
I’m gonna have some free time tonight, so I’d like to take a crack at getting mo...
I’m free now
tawdry sequoia
Oooh, count me in!
neat nest
Loggin on
neat nest
Nw
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Do we have enough folks for 2 groups for runs tonight?
tawdry sequoia
yeah I'm game
neat nest
Accidentally got a super sweaty build by looting haha
Assassin shell
Undergunned shield
2x thermal weapons
slate field
I hath returned
tawdry sequoia
@placid oxide ?
slate field
:V
tawdry sequoia
craggy laurel
I don't want to steal his spot, but I could join y'all for a run or two then tap out if he returns
tawdry sequoia
sounds good to me
slate field
Zulnahdwiin#1530
placid oxide
Sorry gang! I had duo qued with a bud and just saw the messages
tawdry sequoia
no worries
chilly pebble
neat nest
lmfao
placid oxide
Soldier of Fortune continued all the way to Tau Ceti I can't believe it
wintry shuttle
Runner of Fortune
neat nest
I can imagine it coming back for the future
slate field
@placid oxide 3rd slot just re-opened
placid oxide
still paired up with a RL buddy
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> I do want to do seki 5/5 or go through the lose everything ship
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> I do want to do seki 5/5 or go through the lose everythi...
still looking
cinder hare
what the hell did you bring out?
sand sluice
someone opened the prestige room in outpost with only 2 people possible left that weren't me
I didn't make it there to kill them, have no idea what happened to them or where they went but I just went in the room and looted what was left
which was 2 gold valuables worth 12k each and then an 8k v99 rifle
everything else was just green valuables I picked up
well
I also got a misrah after I killed someone who had the unfortunate timing of dropping down directly infront of me when leaving pinwheel because I decided to go after master cards instead of pinwheel
sand sluice
correction 12k v99 cause had enduring
cinder hare
mmm
cinder hare
slate field
Managed to get into Outpost pinnacle locked room and got a Cryo key
Triple free kits
patent thicket
Everyone has a plan until you stab them in the face. This is what being a Destroyer main has taught me.
(It hasn’t been a consistent lesson but it is a lesson.)
chilly pebble
I really want consistent yellow cores cause the destroyer one is hilarious
you shoot rockets at enemies that shoot your shield
cinder hare
?
cinder hare
what if assassin's kit was more like, "I grant signal jams / silencer to my team and my smokes deny info for everyone but my team"
basically if he was more triage-flavored in terms of support
whose still a lot of "i can shoot the hell out of you get fucked" but has a very distinctly support-oriented gameplan in the sense of the healbots being best w/ teammates, and the reboot being better for revives than for the EMP
just a silly thought, i love thinking up alternative kits or shell ideas
alternatively i love the idea of having a shell oriented around anti-info + false info
chilly pebble
Honestly I want a character that has the.. I think ghost commanders? ability
where it basically makes clones of yourself
cinder hare
destroyer gold cores which make him more warden-y
like a core that makes his shield bigger, and lets him deal heat with a shield bash and make flame trails...
core that makes his missles instead summon clones that can shoot and look like you
core that makes his missiles mini tox nades instead
chilly pebble
core that makes his missiles flechette drones
chilly pebble
I still just want rook to get an actual prime ability instead of... a shitty heal consumable
cinder hare
real
patent thicket
I’d like if they got a little silly with Rook’s callouts.
Because who else are they for?
…actually no they kind of are a little silly as is, aren’t they?
neat nest
Menacing
sand sluice
I've seen so many people complaining about the boss weapon
sand sluice
I understand it just like most complaints
I have 0 idea what they should actually do about it tho
I'm still trying to hit the 3k hour mark so I can better understand the game
Like maybe make it so you take splash damage if you're close quarters but that just feeds shotgun meta
I also figured out part of my issue with audio
And now I'm curious if they just do sound propagation based on camera which is weird af
Or some other mix of a system
neat nest
I think there’s a couple of things to do with it:
- make it less ammo efficient holy SHIT do you get a lot of bombs from a mag
- make it do self damage, at all
placid oxide
Self damage is a good start I think
If vandal arm cannon does damage to her, then the alien super weapon should hurt the person using it when they start spamming grenades around angles
sand sluice
Yeah that's why I'm thinking it should at least do that
mortal magnet
If it's a super weapon it needs limited ammo or expensive ammo
mortal magnet
And now I'm curious if they just do sound propagation based on camera which is w...
Sounds in this game are not good IMO, they need to make it easier to track people
sand sluice
The ammo is exp but atm I'm not sure exp is the problem with the ammo
mortal magnet
You can make something more expensive by tweaking the amount of ammo a clip gives you
neat nest
The ammo is quite expensive but you get a lot of it from a magazine
mortal magnet
You can also like, tweak the secondary so you get one or two per clip.
sand sluice
Super tilted at the game rn so trying to be logical about the game
neat nest
Many dozens of grenades a mag
placid oxide
The grenade is also really ammo efficient it seems like
sand sluice
Yeah like I expect a cap of like what
mortal magnet
Many dozens of grenades a mag
Oh that's crazy
neat nest
I think it’s somewhere around 40 rn
sand sluice
I assume it's way higher
placid oxide
Which even that is a fully auto grenade launcher that doesn't hurt you and also tracks
neat nest
I’m not sure it’s hard to count
sand sluice
Yeah 40 feels excessive
neat nest
Sounds in this game are not good IMO, they need to make it easier to track peopl...
Marathon has some of the best FPS audio tracking I’ve seen but it’s still kinda hard
sand sluice
I'm
It's weird
I swear to god the tracking itself is fine but their game design around it is confusing
neat nest
Which even that is a fully auto grenade launcher that doesn't hurt you and also ...
Also has a big beam attack which is fine balance wise it’s mostly the tons of grenades
placid oxide
No yeah the beam is fine honestly
Being able to just spam grenades into choke points for 30 seconds straight is rough though
neat nest
I think some of it is people hitting clips on teams which stack up way too much but I think the weapon is over-generous with ammo so it has very few weak moments
There’s no real “ok they’ve gotta reload now” part
placid oxide
Yeah
sand sluice
Like last night
-didn't hear people walking into room
-didn't hear someone sprinting towards my cover (somehow only heard them once they were behind me)
-couldn't tell on multiple occasions if someone was below or above me (biggest part where it seemed egregious)
-got hit by a claymore with 0 click (I'm 99% sure I know why)
-confirmed sound doesnt travel the same way when you're not looking at it
placid oxide
Watching clips, a lot of the usage of this thing is folks taking fights close and just filling a room with explosions that they don't take damage from
neat nest
Like last night
-didn't hear people walking into room
-didn't hear someone sprin...
What sound mode are you on?
sand sluice
Headphones
neat nest
People have reported issues with the “headphones” preset making directional audio weird and switching to “studio [something]” fixes it
neat nest
The sort of effect is what you’re describing I think
With your “ears” being forward facing and trimming out a lot of audio behind you?
sand sluice
Yeah that happened 100%
neat nest
After I switched to studio preset I started freaking out a lot because I’d hear my teammates move behind me way more
sand sluice
Which is why I didn't hear the claymore click (or what I assume happened)
The other thing is uhh
placid oxide
Why would they set it up that way
sand sluice
It felt like objects blocking my vision would work as sound absorption mats
neat nest
I think it’s a bug with the headphones preset
I didn’t have any particularly notable incidents before I switched but I learned about it from the Ottr Roof Knife Incident
sand sluice
I missed that one and ottr didn't post a video on it (unless it was a short)
neat nest
Where apparently he just legit didn’t hear the guy coming up behind him on the headphones preset and fixed it by switching to studio audio
sand sluice
That would explain some of my frustrations yeah
neat nest
What I think it is that headphones means “stereo audio headphones” and it doesn’t play well with 5.1 headphones
neat nest
I missed that one and ottr didn't post a video on it (unless it was a short)
It was just a Twitter post
sand sluice
What I think it is that headphones means “stereo audio headphones” and it doesn’...
Augh yeah I can see that
neat nest
The short of it is he was holding an angle on Maintenance roof with a sniper and an assassin ran up behind him with a knife and shanked him
At the time the audio got demixed for his headphones so he didn’t hear it
But amusingly the assassin’s steps are EXTREMELY loud in the stream audio
Which made it a good diagnostic video
sand sluice
Idk if he's a tarkov player but after watching like 20 videos on sound mixing and setting up a full sound setup I can def see weird audio mixing going on
Insofar as if that's something he ran into
neat nest
Ah make sense
sand sluice
Like I had to specifically disable my monitor speakers so the game would let me hear other players in game thru voice
neat nest
But yeah if sound is being weird try the studio preset it’s much better
sand sluice
I'll definitely need to cause the sound was confusing af
Which that might also explain the other audio thing where like
I shot at someone, was behind a truck to reload, poked back out, heard healing, thought it was infront of me, then hear fumbling to my right and was like, "the fuck?"
Which meant I somehow didn't hear them (a triage) rush to get close but again I think that was like
That specific truck being a truck where the exact same situation happened with some boxes against a vandal I was okay
Anyone post any video about visual clarity settings?
I've seen so much back and fourth about the assassin cloak that I'm half wondering if there's a setting that makes it worse
sand sluice
Hell even saw one person go. "When they move even if crouched they get a halo" and I was like, "wut"
neat nest
But this is mostly because it’s fuckin impossible to see assassins in compressed 720p clips lol
sand sluice
Yeah, that's what a lot of people are saying and I'm like, "I can see that"
And I know for me I've seen the cloak be consistently invisible when they're crouch walking
So I'm like, "maybe its some graphics setting or hdr"
neat nest
I play on a 2k monitor and I can usually see them (but it takes longer than normal to notice) but idk if that matters
sand sluice
Oled?
placid oxide
I notice that I can also see assassin's further away much better than up close
sand sluice
I cant see either but tbf it might literally be something like my astigmatism
placid oxide
Like I can see them off in the distance cloaked better than I can when they're close
sand sluice
Gotcha, cause I'm on a 2k oled and I can like, never see them when crouch walking
neat nest
“Refraction line” around their silhouette
sand sluice
I see the uhh
neat nest
And it’s easier to see as as rough oval not a whole dude
sand sluice
Yeah no I don't see that at all
I either see the outline of their body in that like, transparent effect when they're running
Or I don't see them at all
But also I noticed occasionally I get some reallt weird bloom wrt to lights looking like they're bleeding through fog
Also Idk how destroyed wing is for trios
I do like the new strongbox locations tho
that's the panel?
neat nest
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/QV2KrNmM-lo
Delete this
I don’t need more trailers coming in behind me omfg
neat nest
I had no idea this was possible and that’s scary
sand sluice
No so see
Early early on
Right after drone wing got nerfed, that day people were talking about drone wing entrance
And I heard a number of times people go, "yeah you can just re lower it"
And I kept checking the terminal
Omg
I've killed people on the lift
I've seen dead bodies float in mid air
placid oxide
Deadass thought that was a door button the whole time
mortal magnet
Marathon has some of the best FPS audio tracking I’ve seen but it’s still kinda ...
Im used to Hunt so it's not a fair bar, but I think the mixing is the big issue
Music is in the forefront when Im trying to listen on extract or in fights
sand sluice
Well as long as it isn't like tarkov
neat nest
I also realized after I said that that I’ve been using the studio mix for like 1.5 weeks now and it’s genuinely panopticonic compared to headphones
neat nest
Hunt is also I think easier to localize sounds since there’s less ambient (Marathon sound designers are demons who intentionally added soundalike ambient to runners) and “flatter” which helps a lot
Since there’s no such thing as vertical surround sound
(Yet…)
sand sluice
The heat cascade has occasional thumps that sound like footsteps
Or rather a footstep
placid oxide
Using studio right now and it does actually sound much cleaner.
neat nest
The heat cascade has occasional thumps that sound like footsteps
Yeah
Exfil clunks that sound like doors
sand sluice
Trying to think of everything
neat nest
UESC ghosts and runners
sand sluice
Those plastic flaps, the heat cascade, lightning, I think when turrets die their debris makes a clunk
I'm just glad the marathon devs have proper limiting/mixing going on for their sound
Unlike tarkov where to hear the quieter sounds you actually have to turn the game up so much it can damage your ears
Also pinnacle room in pinwheel gives prestige loot
I've gotten prestige head implant and like 3-4 prestige weapon mods
patent thicket
Am I the only one who calls the UESC the cops for short?
neat nest
Nope I do that some too
sand sluice
Also can spawn multiple cryo keys (I got both 06 contraband key and 02 key in one run)
neat nest
Especially given their habit of showing up in force after or during crimes
patent thicket
It’s shorter than saying UESC every time.
They’re also blue and accompanied by bright flashing lights fairly often.
sand sluice
I say bots but I admit I'm partially saying bots to reclaim that term from being used derogatory towards other players
placid oxide
Thinking about it, UESC actually look kinda like the cop robots from an old arcade game I used to play as a kid
sand sluice
And clankers is reserved for star wars battle droids
patent thicket
They’re a gendarmerie!
sand sluice
Thinking about it, UESC actually look kinda like the cop robots from an old arca...
You could put them in a sci-fy movie and they are 100% believable to be cop robots
Well, except the ghosts
Ghosts are little freaky
Like, get your freak on kind
wraith vector
I'd watch a movie about Rook infiltrating their whole deal
patent thicket
“Ignore me. :)”
sand sluice
You could probably make a web series about being an investigative journalist/reporter rook and turn off the hud about tau ceti happenings
patent thicket
“They’re all a bunch of murderous goblins.”
sand sluice
"Is it true that MIDA asked you to commit property damage?"
"Is Orion and the UESC hiding evidence of extra terrestrial sentient life?"
patent thicket
“Yeah.”
placid oxide
Also, <@&1474420814979010821> Anyone else get a holiday today and feel like running? I'm just farming for upgrade salvage right now.
sand sluice
Holiday?
placid oxide
Good Friday
sand sluice
Ah
placid oxide
Not like, a real one, but I'm in the south so anything tangential to Jesus means your company may give you a holiday off
sand sluice
Cheers Jesus I'll drink some blood to that
distant zinc
i wish i had good friday off lmao
twin rain
Yeah I'll be on in a wee bit
placid oxide
It is one of the only perks that comes from living in the South lol
placid oxide
Only if they're taking the eucharist I think
sand sluice
Interesting
placid oxide
As a scholar on vampires, very real things
sand sluice
Im curious what sorta collabs (if any) bungie would do for marathon
Like for honor did get a destiny collab that one time
placid oxide
God I do not want that at all, lol
neat nest
2B themed recon skin
distant zinc
If a vampire drinks wine/juice (blood of christ)
if they’re taking the eucharist it’s likely but they’d probably also need to be on consecrated ground as well
placid oxide
I am so tired of the fortnite-ification of everything
distant zinc
2B themed recon skin
modders get on that shit pronto please
placid oxide
if they’re taking the eucharist it’s likely but they’d probably also need to be ...
Fellow vampire expert I see
distant zinc
yeah it comes with the territory (goth, catholic)
distant zinc
respectable
patent thicket
I don’t think Jesus had a very Good Friday, tbh
sand sluice
It's okay, he saw nuns doing tricks on skateboards and thought, "sick"
placid oxide
Made a channel whenever you're ready blade
twin rain
logging on now
placid oxide
Anyone else want to fill in for a third?
tawdry sequoia
I'm a couple hours out probably
late geyser
Playing rook. Come accross another rook while baiting exfil. Down each other.
We stare at each other for two seconds before dashing to exfil while downed lmao
"Frends."
"Oh yeah."
patent thicket
Rook brings out a lot of gremlin.
late geyser
It's quite funny
patent thicket
I remember one Rook run the other day where I started an extraction and another Rook ran into the circle and we both just started crouching at each other.
I definitely feel like playing this Shell or that changes player behavior in ways beyond just play style.
sand sluice
It does ye
placid oxide
Thief shell I have an irational distrust of because of the cinematics
sand sluice
From my experiences in total
Yeah
Ironically the most truth worthy shells have been Assassins that talk before fighting and Destroyers
wintry shuttle
Look
When you can punch someone to death, sometimes you need to talk it out.
Also, if they consider releasing alternative genders for the shells. A lot of people are gonna thirst for a fem destroyer
sand sluice
Im curious what that option is for friendly crews/solos
placid oxide
Burner phone you can throw to them to link up comms outside of prox chat distance
twin rain
fulton extract option instead of the execute. immediate exfil
indigo oriole
I definitely feel like playing this Shell or that changes player behavior in way...
rook
strong
together
sand sluice
fulton extract option instead of the execute. immediate exfil
I would unironically like this
wintry shuttle
fulton extract option instead of the execute. immediate exfil
Could always use that as a version of the secure container
woeful tundra
indigo oriole
the lime green skin really sells the thumbnail
twin rain
very charitable of them
woeful tundra
patent thicket
As someone who will likely not see the inside of Cryo Archive anytime soon, possibly ever, I think it’s good that they made it difficult to even access it and risky to even attempt. The riskiness of it will deter people who probably wouldn’t have fun in there to begin with and be a big draw for the people who do want that kind of challenge.
I think that it’s okay if there’s some content in a game that isn’t for everyone.
sand sluice
Yeah I'm like
Slowly drifting towards, "well is this game actually made for this sort of engagement?"
Like at this point as much as I don't want to rec AI gen content in anyway I'd probably start recommending CAST if people tell me they want well crafted pve extraction shooter-isms
Cause I'll admit even I struggle to engage Marathon in a healthy way sometimes
neat nest
I don’t know what “this sort of engagement” is
sand sluice
"I want Marathon to be this way but I'll begrudgingly play it because I feel like I have to"
Like, bwuuhh
"I feel like compiler should be accessible to more casual players but I'll run into cryo headfirst even though I don't like it currently"
Idk how to put it
Sorry I more mean
Expecting cryo to be available for full solo queue without fill and no trios/duos
And being upset it isn't instead of just accepting it
Idk if I'm making sense
twin rain
I think it's the "I paid for the game I should be able to play the whole thing" sort of argument
twin rain
which is not always inherently true, especially with Marathon, but I can see where people are coming from
patent thicket
I dunno, the game having parts that’s really hard to get into and maybe out of reach for some players doesn’t really bother me?
There’s still a ton of other stuff to do.
twin rain
yeah I do like it as it is currently and don't think it needs to be particularly more accessible
sand sluice
I dunno, the game having parts that’s really hard to get into and maybe out of r...
Right but I mean people who feel they can't and feel like it's impossible or something, or the flipside they kinda lose their mind over it
patent thicket
I’m probably not going to be able to do Cryo myself, but… it doesn’t bother me?
sand sluice
Ye exactly, that's the mindset everyone should try to adopt
"I probably can't for w/e reason and that's okay"
Instead of like
neat nest
Right but I mean people who feel they can't and feel like it's impossible or som...
I think it’s just keeping up with the joneses stuff
patent thicket
I’ll probably take a crack at it sometime, but if I can’t hack it then it’s just… fine? I can go fool around with Rook or something.
neat nest
I don’t think anything in the game is really impossible for people who play kinda regularly it’s just gonna take different amounts of time
patent thicket
It’s not the end of the world.
twin rain
Marathon is really a game about emotional maturity and the acceptance of loss (this isn't a callout or anything, but sometimes it really makes itself known because of Gamer Culture or whatever)
sand sluice
Yeah exactly
neat nest
There’s a lot of time in a season and the hardest milestones to reach are codex entries anyway
Esp with the improved loot on Outpost giving people more access to cryo and vaults
sand sluice
Like I 100% did not engage with the game in a healthy way last night cause I got tilted at like midnight and then kept playing for like 4 more hours
patent thicket
I’m taking this at my own pace and the Joneses can mind their own business. lmao
sand sluice
And retroactively I'm like, "okay no that wasnt good behavior, let me think a bit more learned about this" and started to consider what I was running into and how I could approach it differently the next time
twin rain
there's some amount of FOMO with the seasonal resets and all, but at least the codex persists.
sand sluice
Ye
Which like
Unless you're looking at ranked
Idk what you could miss out on really outside of the game just exploding
Cause even I was talking about this and Cyan brought up the exact point that codex entries stick
twin rain
we'll have to see how much the story persists and or changes
neat nest
I wanna fight Pfhor haha
twin rain
yuuuuuup
twin rain
the pink(or was it orange?) blood in the post-compiler Breach area gives me hope
sand sluice
But tbf I'm also still trying to make sure I learn about the game so I can give better critical feedback if another survey rolls around
Cause with the Outpost changes
It's 100% a good decision
Now people can take a free kit and have another map to get some decent gold loot
Instead of having to slug it out on dire marsh for the anomaly or have to do lockdowns
patent thicket
I hope we get a map in the main colony. A full urban map would be neat.
neat nest
Definitely
sand sluice
I wanna see night dire marsh
I'm def hype for it
Also as a side thing
I'm starting to notice that like
100k is actually a lot of credits
You can spin up green shields, a green gun, green backpack, and meds for around 5k credits give or take
Throw another 1k you can get blue shields
And I do see that like barters in general are def good for meds/ammo
I wonder if someone has a reference sheet for barters hmm
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> who wants to do some cryo
cinder hare
just a normal run for now
cinder hare
bit hard w/o mic innit
mossy bridge
i guess
cinder hare
placid oxide
I hope we get a map in the main colony. A full urban map would be neat.
I want to see this both because I think it’d make for fun engagements, and because I’d love to see what kind of environment they built for themselves to live in permanently
As pretty much all of the current structures are workplaces or frontier areas, from my understanding
cinder hare
lost it all sadly
mossy bridge
a more casual map on the marton itself would be nice too
sand sluice
copperhead is free money
Ye copperhead is in a bit of a weird spot because it's basically a better bully but it's not dropping enough in the loot pool that people are naturally finding it more than other guns that most people lean towards (volley, m77, etc, etc)
cinder hare
it kills players better ime
mossy bridge
crazy
alright
Broke a guy's shield, he got in super close as destroyer, we entered melee, i got downed after hitting him, i guess he was almost dead enough that the ghost behind him that appeared finished the job
that was very funny
i love schadenfreude
sand sluice
Yeah it's like
placid oxide
Watching the person who downed you walk in to the claymore you put down and turn to mist along with you is a particular brand of satisfaction.
sand sluice
Copperhead is worse than I thought but it's got higher rpm
sand sluice
twin rain
I may have said it before but copperhead occupies a similar niche to the overrun- same ammo type, high rpm, somewhat unwieldy fire cone, but closer range and better handling
hrm, after checking the stats on that handy link, I can see that what I said is mostly true except the handling part. copper has worse recoil vs the overrun as well, which was surprising
neat nest
That is surprising
twin rain
might just be the ranges at which they are used makes it more or less apparent
neat nest
True
placid oxide
Yeah, you get the overrun more often as well. So you want to use it at a more varied range and more often
cinder hare
one of the most unholy matches ive had in a while
i couldve gotten better stuff if i had unmodded the bully, took only the purple, dropped the drone node
i think im now at the point where i need to sell my blues to make room for more purples in terms of mods
also love how you can make a fucking retaliator destroyer whose entire thing is "the more u shoot me the more u die"
i actually NEED to grind upgrades so bad
also man, thinking about it, once you do enough contracts, the daily free heals, LMG/WSTR + M77/PR + cores + nades is just so good
esp since a green backpack is only 500 (1 pinwheel run can get you 10k EASILY)
sand sluice
Ye
Im looking forward to outpost ranked cause only 4 teams with a bunch of loot to go around for easier grinding
Main thing would be contested exfils but largely you won't even need to care that much as long as you play it safe
mossy bridge
i mean there'll probably be 4 exfils at least on outpost right
a few locked
a few guarded
and one final
patent thicket
Let me know if you find more drinkable burgers.
wintry shuttle
I have a purple key to overflow
_>
What am I looking at loot if I open a room with a purple?
twin rain
generally other purples and blues. sometimes a gold mod
twin rain
key rooms are generally very lucrative
chilly pebble
Yeah I need to start running some to get my purps up
twin rain
but! come prepared. they make a big noise when you unlock em which can attract players
wintry shuttle
key rooms are generally very lucrative
I have been farming UESC to get control matrices because I want more blue key templates
wintry shuttle
but! come prepared. they make a big noise when you unlock em which can attract p...
Oh yeah, usually, if I have a key. I wait ten minutes.
At that point, everyone either exfilled, dead, or are too far away to deal with it:
cinder hare
I have a purple key to overflow
Lots of purples, 1-2 golds usually
But ime going through pinwheel gives about… I’d say 60-70% of the value?
placid oxide
Key gives that without needing to fight through 3 other teams and a basketball team of Rooks who all want after the same specific section of the map though
cinder hare
Eh 1-2 teams is part of the fun
And you do get to steal their loot too
Also in regards to the rooks I’ve noticed most of them are kos now, so as long as you don’t play stupid and push them recklessly you can win fairly easily
You have all the range, probably have nades if you want that…
I actually find UESC more annoying than players sometimes
Mostly cuz for some reason they feel extra tanky recently
placid oxide
So there’s apparently also an exploit with the goo gun
Where you bug it out with an m77 and the fire rate jumps up to bullet hose levels
patent thicket
How long before Marathon gets its own Telesto?
placid oxide
I mean this thing is most of the way there
cosmic flame
rub my bellay
cinder hare
God I pray to never meet a biotox lmao
placid oxide
Plus side, burns their ammo quick I guess?
cinder hare
Minus side, burns their quarry quicker
placid oxide
Only if their quarry happens to be in a 200m radius of their shooting
patent thicket
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some runs?
chrome rapids
Im down
twin rain
ya lets go
patent thicket
Currently after Reclaimed Biostripping and Arachne rep.
twin rain
we go to hauler
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Any chance of getting a second group together?
slate field
Sure! Need to get something to eat first though
placid oxide
Sounds cool, hmu when you’re ready. Watching Tom lose his mind trying to finish the ksbd page
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> Any chance of getting a second group together?
Still looking?
neat nest
Sweet
neat nest
Waiting for Zul as well
I’ll log on