well that's not entirely true, just I'm more likely to derank back into gold due to the loss penalty and how not easy it would be to get 10k credit value
#Marathon
sand sluice
twin rain
the exotic mod for the stryder also makes it match the multi-tool's functionality
(or at least share a lot of it)
placid oxide
The one exotic mod I’ve seen in game (briefly before getting surrounded and killed)
cinder hare
the exotic mod for the stryder also makes it match the multi-tool's functionalit...
What’s that one again?
placid oxide
Pings enemies close to you I believe
mossy bridge
my fucking inventory is jammed to bursting with good gear
but i dont want to go into randoms
cinder hare
Oh god that one sounds incredible
If the BR33 had that mod I think it’d be the most broken gun ever
mossy bridge
Time to go into a random game and lose it all because my team mates are a console player on copper wire internet and a mad catz controller and a free kit
Two nu cal free kits :/
sand sluice
Time to go into a random game and lose it all because my team mates are a consol...
for that my advice is to sell some stuff or take a break until you can make a premade
mossy bridge
Two nu cal free kits :/
immediately got a conveyance request and nobody else tried to get into the damned pinwheel
so we ransacked the whole thing
and got out
Five billion. Chem packs
sand sluice
drone conveyance is the way to go IMO
mossy bridge
yurt
A Rook snuck onto the drone after we lowered it
good for him
got my first xenoautopsy
sorry xenobiopsy
twin rain
a very fun codex series
mossy bridge
ig ot another complex shed key
indigo oriole
theres something real nice about loading in and spending your ~10min or so just looking for weird vents and shit
mossy bridge
like all the ones you can unlock with an access panel in pinwheel
or the catacombs of many places
like overflow and greenhouse
i can wait for a while and do something else when i can get a full team for co-evolution
patent thicket
I was having a really good run, then the dog I'm dogsitting started barking her head off and I had to go see what was wrong and I lost that run.
I'm taking that as a sign from the universe to play something else for a bit. lmao
(There was nothing wrong, she's just extremely old and gets spooked by just about everything.)
mossy bridge
:( poor dog
neat nest
Just learned you can put claymores on the spinning part of an active extract
oak glacier
LOL
patent thicket
Cascadian Roulette
tawdry sequoia
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone want to squad up?
chrome rapids
Im down
tawdry sequoia
well, if anyone else wants to, I am squadless in seattle once again
chilly pebble
Think I got enough materialist
tawdry sequoia
<@&1474420814979010821> running random contracts (maybe cryo if we feel like it)
chilly pebble
cryos gone
tawdry sequoia
then we certainly won't 
final onyx
not free yet but i will be in a bit
patent thicket
I won't be free for at least an hour but I'll be down for some runs if anyone's stil around.
I need to keep grinding NuCal rep so I can unlock being able to buy shields because I'm starting to run dry.
sand sluice
jfc
just had a trio in ranked walk right by me
I was sure they spotted me but apparently not
patent thicket
I had an Assassin stalking me earlier but he kept sprinting around and I eventually lured him into a small room and knifed him to death.
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some contracts and maybe a DM key room?
craggy laurel
I'm down!
placid oxide
Got a channel going whenever y'all are ready, no rush!
Going to make tea before we start
neat nest
Lobby wipe??
sharp plover
goddamn
patent thicket
Jesus Christ.
craggy laurel
Bio Research was the new Algae Ponds for that run. 3 teams went there and we cleaned up one on Algae Ponds
cinder hare
Lobby wipe??
Jelly…
neat nest
jeez
patent thicket
I didn't know that right-clicking with the knife was the heavy attack this whole time.
patent thicket
That'll help a lot in the future.
Close range is where I'm at my best. I start to really struggle outside of it, but that's been a problem for me in shooters since Halo: Combat Evolved.
twin rain
the left click one-two-three combo does a heavy attack on the third hit fwiw
but sometimes it is nice to start with the heavy for the recruit bots
cosmic flame
destroyer can sometimes just onetap them outright
twin rain
it's guaranteed from the behind with all shells I think
(again, just the recruits. don't try it on commanders)
patent thicket
I’ve stabbed commanders to death in a panic, but I prefer to hit them with missiles.
It does a lot of damage, but I also had teammates pouring fire on them.
sand sluice
Source is @mossymax on the x site
tawdry sequoia
can't wait to talk about Ass Thief damage with the squad
placid oxide
The season 2 contraband weapon’s going to be a brick melee weapon
tawdry sequoia
what is a knife but a small, narrow metal brick
neat nest
Throwing knives could be a cool “grenade”
tawdry sequoia
I guess the flechettes are already a kind of smart projectile, and the recon tick is sort of smart munitions, but I wouldn't mind a bit more high tech feeling stuff in that realm
neat nest
Ok a homing knife missile would be better yeah
placid oxide
Robert Evans would be proud
tawdry sequoia
lock-on knife
wait, multi-lock-on knife 
claxons going off as ONI tells you you have been acquired
indigo oriole
IGN says we’re violent goblins who wanna hit people with bricks
let me throw drinkable cheeseburgers at rooks
obsidian latch
Let’s get you patched up!
🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
patent thicket
Source is @mossymax on the x site
So backstabs don’t do more damage?
neat nest
I don’t think that data knows that
It’s a simple linear regression with the reasonable assumption that the relationship between melee stat and damage is linear
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some runs?
chilly pebble
Best way to be stealthy is to make sure there's no witnesses
Nobody will notice if there's nobody to notice
sand sluice
final onyx
mossy bridge
speen
chilly pebble
Started really liking a really stupid build for its price
for my primary, I use the punch, and for my secondary I use the punch :v
when one starts overheating you just switch to the other one
I think I honestly like it more than a free kit on some days
The single most expensive part of your loadout is literally the ammo so remember to extract with a bunch :v
placid oxide
The rage posts about Sekiguchi contracts might be my favorite posts on the marathon reddit
cinder hare
I love how everyone agrees NuCal sells E
obsidian latch
NuCal is selling bottles of Red40 which give you a gender nobody has ever seen before
neat nest
I like how there’s a Sekiguchi contract where Nona is literally like “ok, GIVE ME YOUR SKIN”
cinder hare
Seki funds Arachne
chilly pebble
Every single time I go "okay let's do a free kit run to warm up and get some storage drives
cinder hare
Nona and Charter secretly get together to watch TOP 10,000 RUNNER DEATHS COMPILATION (2893 EDITION)
chilly pebble
It was a seki free kit even :v
cinder hare
Gaius and CyAc just shaking hands once a week for business reasons
obsidian latch
NuCal probably sells like a liquid cheeseburger that explodes whatever shit you got in your pants and gives you that custom delux coochie or ding dong or you can order one that just gives you whatever shit a SekGen employee high off of expired tick milk felt like cooking up this week
Traxus will not give you maternity leave
patent thicket
I don't know what all the fuss is about, this boss is easy.
placid oxide
Can kill it with a pistol!
cosmic flame
do you think they made the Punch in this game absolutely bugfuck because of the Zeus
sharp plover
actually, you'll note in the original games they never actually die, they just teleport away
patent thicket
Not my problem anymore.
sharp plover
yeah
chilly pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> Marsh time
woeful tundra
<@&1474420814979010821> Marsh time
do you have a squad?
chilly pebble
Not at the moment
woeful tundra
well, I can queue up. if you get a third ping me
chilly pebble
duos are in marsh at the moment too
chilly pebble
first traxus questline, or get seki rep
chrome chasm
I can do it or you can do duos, either works
woeful tundra
I can do it or you can do duos, either works
oh hell yeah join us
@chrome chasm we're in a voice chat here in pnet
chilly pebble
just had the most fuckin' poverty free kit I've ever had, we were all out of healing so bad that I extracted with literally a pixel of health left
neat nest
Nona would be proud
chilly pebble
the amount of health and shield kits we found going through overflow and south relay was like, what I'd normally find in one poi
chilly pebble
I really just need to get a group going doing nothing but seki contracts
chilly pebble
excuse me what the hell do you mean co evolution needs you to go in pinwheel
oak glacier
heheheh, im successfully playing marathon on steamdeck
by streaming it from my desktop
im in denmark
my desktop is in romania
technologia
oak glacier
excuse me what the hell do you mean co evolution needs you to go in pinwheel
Trust me that's not the hardest thing Nona will make you do
cosmic flame
im in denmark
my desktop is in romania
technologia
charge it point it zoom it fix it scratch rename it
balkanlogic
oak glacier
chilly pebble
Trust me that's not the hardest thing Nona will make you do
Oh I know, it just feels very "this was made before the destroyed wing entrance got nuked and not looked at since"
oak glacier
Kinda but also it's not like getting into pinwheel is that hard
If you camp out and wait a while someone will either open one of the doors or do the drone entrance
chilly pebble
Oh I know it's more that the rook body is right at the end there, if they moved it outside the force fields it'd be fine
oak glacier
Hell the doors are only two green keys and you can skip the combat by activating the event and moving to a different door
chilly pebble
Bit of a weak pinwheel loot run since I was just focused on getting the rook head but a nice first try
obsidian latch
I’ve known Nona for 3 seconds but I trust her implicitly
chilly pebble
I swear coevo 2 is cursed
I helped two people go through coevo 3 to 5 without seeing even a single enemy for mine
we just first try'd all three
On one of them a rook literally chose not going to final exfil over giving me the kill :v
sand sluice
I just did it solo and speed ran to the point I just had to kill a player then I killed players exfilling
To me the most important bit is ignoring everything and w keying the first 2 objs as fast as possible
placid oxide
That’s been my strategy as well when trying to solo them. Go in with a free kit and just accept that it may take a few tries.
chilly pebble
oh no we were purple power rangers :v
placid oxide
I swear folks leave me alone on occasion because I’m not worth anything if they do kill me.
chilly pebble
if you're a grey shield and I can't easily just pop you in a burst yeah I generally don't push it
sand sluice
If I shoot I try to confirm. Too risky letting someone go
But also I don't play in coordinated stacks that can afford that luxury
slate field
I just learned you can place claymores on top of the roombas in Outpost
oak glacier
oh hey @chilly pebble
Destroyed Wing entrance has been re-opened.
Changed the security credentials needed to access the locked room in the Hub.
huh
i wonder what they are now
LOL
sand sluice
Ooooo
sand sluice
I'm curious how they changed encounter difficulty
placid oxide
Loot getting even better is also fun
neat nest
Pinwheel already had the best loot outside of cryo jeez
Not that I mind
I’ll just have more purples to shoot rooks with I guess
sand sluice
I want tougher enemies but I know that's just me lol
This also gives me like
4-5ish days to learn the new cryo before ranked swaps over to it
neat nest
Pinwheel already had the best loot outside of cryo jeez
I realized that this is my opinion and actually not what hard grinders say and that’s why it was changed
Cause apparently the best quasi-endgame grind was Darsh for lockdowns and anomaly boxes
placid oxide
Always glad that there’s more ways to gear up honestly
neat nest
Same
sand sluice
Cause apparently the best quasi-endgame grind was Darsh for lockdowns and anomal...
You are 100% correct
neat nest
Also lol that this website exists and apparently read Marathon this way
sand sluice
I thought it was common knowledge tho tbh 
neat nest
I thought it was common knowledge tho tbh <:headempty:741616981232451664>
It’s not super secret I just don’t like the chance that neither spawns
But normal darsh loot isn’t awful so I guess sour rng isn’t that bad
sand sluice
It's one of the ways I grind rank when I'm running solo, most players don't care to go after it
The chance to spawn is def a reason not to tho
neat nest
It's one of the ways I grind rank when I'm running solo, most players don't care...
It being the lockdown or?
sand sluice
Ye lockdown
sand sluice
Low stakes means most people hit their gear score by 5 min
neat nest
It’s hard for me to justify bringing AV packs just in case
Which means half the time when lockdown spawns I’ve got a full pack, no AV and no interest in the pain box
sand sluice
If you have built in anti viral from mida upgrade you can do all 3
neat nest
Also mostly unrelated but wahoo no more slide cancels
neat nest
If you have built in anti viral from mida upgrade you can do all 3
I don’t yet
sand sluice
Cause with the uhh
neat nest
If I did I’m confident I could since iirc the first lockdown box has guaranteed antivirus as well
sand sluice
Drive + key you don't have to search the 2nd and 3rd lockdown once you know the spawns of the box
I'm a little worried about fill queuing whilst silver cause the penalty hurts, even tho theoretically every win can cancel out 4 losses
With better loot spawns outpost might be easier tho
Rn the only thing that is a big concern in dire marsh is spawning maint or next to it since stacks will rush it
neat nest
I like bio research because I’m good at fighting there
sand sluice
Ye bio research is nice, I think I prefer intersection a bit more
woeful tundra
question: is unsanctioned hostilities 2/5 bugged? is it a single run mission secretly?
the deal 750 to runners and loot 3 backpacks
neat nest
I think there may be an issue with the damage tracking
sand sluice
Bugged/description is wrong
You have to exfil to save your progress
Doesn't have to be in a single run tho
sand sluice
3x red now lol
Guaranteed cryo key makes sense but changing it to 3x is a bit weird unless they buffed the red key spawn rate
Unless red keys are guaranteed that is
But afaik they were random spawn chance
neat nest
I believe 4 are guaranteed with more random spawns
neat nest
I think tauceti.gg has em
sand sluice
I'll have to check again but it didn't show them when I checked
woeful tundra
You have to exfil to save your progress
ah thanks
placid oxide
I gotta actually do Outpost as a group for a change, lol
I usually just do rook runs for outpost and scavenge
wraith vector
I still feel weird about destroyed entrance
Unless they really spread those damn things
Feels like everyone will just rush that again
Have some putz with a sniper on the roof within 2 minutes
placid oxide
Maybe so? I never had trouble just going in through the key doors by the time Rook spawns start anyways
wraith vector
I like the key doors! It's like the whole schtick and it's open season for everyone
patent thicket
I think I need to start actively seeking out other Runners to fight them.
twin rain
The Outpost changes are exciting!
woeful tundra
https://www.rxddit.com/r/okbuddyRunners/comments/1s8e6ox/to_think_like_claymore_you_must_become_claymore/ @bitter sable @oak glacier @slow rock
oak glacier
become one with the algae ponds
neat nest
mossy bridge
good honestly
Is the pinaccle room the place that needed two yellow one red
and now need three red
oak glacier
ye
mossy bridge
hmm
that's a problem
how does one get three reds without hitting all the master card spawns
oak glacier
you dont, thats the point
mossy bridge
oak glacier
youll probably want at least 2 spawns + getting lucky with a comander dropping one on the way
oak glacier
yeah commanders seem to drop one random access card
mossy bridge
i guess you could get three but you'd need to spawn at like, processing, and split your party three ways
one goes for the pier one goes for the one by pinwheel base and one goes for the dorms one
good luck doing that with trios
oak glacier
ultimately i think its appropriate that its a really contested room
oak glacier
that too yes
mossy bridge
lmao
cinder hare
I want to make a marathon ttrpg
neat nest
how does one get three reds without hitting all the master card spawns
Kill people who hit the master card spawns
There’s only 12 runners on Outpost
neat nest
I want to make a marathon ttrpg
I’ve thought about doing an Eclipse Phase hack tbh
oak glacier
HOW TO PLAY MARATHON IN D&D 
neat nest
placid oxide
That Kai tweet, I ponder for an hour before crossing out the words healing potion and write the words “med patch”. I make $2 million on KS.
neat nest
You jest but extraction shooter gameplay is a lot like dungeon crawling
placid oxide
Oh I think it’s a fantastic setup
I was specifically referring to making it a 5E hack
neat nest
Oh yeah that wouldn’t be ideal
placid oxide
Eclipse Phase is probably the closest comparison?
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for Outpost or contracts?
random vessel
cinder hare
I do think OSR wouldn’t do marathon bad
I do like the d20
I like d100 more but that’s me being me
patent thicket
Anyone else find it concerning how often they feel the need to reiterate that you are not your shell and that shells are not alive in any meaningful way?
final onyx
you can interpret it however you want lore wise but also it being straight up true is counterintuitive
patent thicket
The fact that they keep reminding us of it says that it’s at best a half-truth to me.
neat nest
Yeah there’s an element of “the worm doth protest too much” with that for sure
tawdry sequoia
well, the shells are alive, they are you, or A Version Of You that dies when that sniper spreads your brain across Dire Marsh
continuity is a fiction you tell yourself
neat nest
I think continuity is actually maintained by the Runner’s consciousness basically live-streaming into the shell
Which is why you don’t leave a forked copy behind when the match ends without you extracting or dying
tawdry sequoia
maybe it's somewhere in the lore, but that doesn't sound correct to me
that'd mean it's fancy remote piloting
neat nest
It does however raise the possibility that you can have incomplete pseudoconscious “zombie shells” around though
twin rain
It's true yeah. Death is referred to as a "neural eject" where your consciousness is force removed from the shell before it's lost
neat nest
maybe it's somewhere in the lore, but that doesn't sound correct to me
Its in one of the lore blurbs I’ll see if I can find it when I get home
twin rain
So it is basically remote piloting of another humanoid shell. Hence the name. But shells are easier to make than new people and runners retain their skillsets. So it makes sense from a corpro perspective.
Infinite mercenary glitch
tawdry sequoia
that feels at odds with the presentation of the cinematics
not saying you're incorrect, just seems an odd choice
but maybe Bungo wanted to keep the transhuman horror of it all at medium
twin rain
Yeah I would agree. There is some dissonance there between the lore text and the cinematic. That may be due to retconning and rewrites before release, or incomplete info or differences in direction.
patent thicket
We could also be being lied to.
neat nest
Here’s one of em
I think the runners are running at least partially locally on the shell
tawdry sequoia
maybe someone said 'people will be weirded out if we hammer home the whole bit about you dying a thousand times and losing yourself by partially mixing with the existing personality fragments of the shell,'
neat nest
There’s another with more info I haven’t found yet
sharp plover
it's also established that some runners do have a preference for certain shells, for any number of reasons
patent thicket
Well, yeah.
sharp plover
they are not those shells, and those shells are not based on them, but those are the bodies they currently utilize
twin rain
It's basically another way to canonize each death and allow the players to exist in-world (see also: destiny)
tawdry sequoia
I'd assume the lizard brain of Shell A might fit you better than that of Shell B, even on top of the practical preferences
patent thicket
It makes sense to me that a lot of Runners would pick one Shell they like and stick to that model.
twin rain
So your player preference is the shell preference &etc.
patent thicket
Yeah.
twin rain
The medium is the message and so on
patent thicket
It raises a few questions about Rook.
tawdry sequoia
I do like the idea that the way they view runners and shells is a convenient half truth people just accepted cause it's too ethically complicated to handle but also too convenient and powerful not to use
ignoring the teleporter problem cause I need it for my daily commute to Tau Ceti
patent thicket
Where do Rook shells come from?
tawdry sequoia
they look like repurposed USEC bases
twin rain
Rook isn't a shell technically, they're a frame. Which is sort of a incomplete/ prototype shell lacking features. But they're manufactured
Less bio more mechanical iotc
patent thicket
They definitely use pieces from the UESC drones.
neat nest
Where do Rook shells come from?
I’m paraphrasing but IIRC they’re a crude upgrade package for UESC robot frames with just enough neural stuff added so you can cram a runner in
tawdry sequoia
makes sense, the place is lousy with UESC
neat nest
Cheap as hell and probably give people exotic new dysphorias until they eject but you can’t stay on TCIV for long anyway so they’re good in a pinch
tawdry sequoia
I'm sure there's plenty of people who only feel not dysphoric when in a Rook
patent thicket
Who’s making them? Are they made on-site?
patent thicket
Surely the UESC isn’t making Rooks out of their junked drones.
sand sluice
I feel like they moved the new drone wing boxes inside the buildings
because jfc I can not find them anywhere outside
tawdry sequoia
no, but you could have someone hack one of their printers, or hijack a shipment of a bunch of spares, throw some quick grown wetware on there and a jailbroke CPU, sell it to runners at a profit
neat nest
Who’s making them? Are they made on-site?
There’s a not-often-mentioned set of support ships for runners who I think make them
Sort of similar to how the shells are bioprinted but cheaper I think?
patent thicket
Ah, okay. That makes sense to me.
tawdry sequoia
I assume the runner consciousnesses are on the ships too
patent thicket
That’s what I’ve been assuming.
patent thicket
And you need to reestablish connection to Sol when you start the game the first time.
neat nest
would take a bit to beam you in from Mars
They have FTL comms so maybe
tawdry sequoia
is it broadband tho
neat nest
And you need to reestablish connection to Sol when you start the game the first ...
But yeah either that’s not how you arrived or interference started after you got there
tawdry sequoia
or the dialup of FTL comms, QE entaglement
patent thicket
I assumed your Shell was damaged but not destroyed and Oni had to do some nonstandard damage control.
sharp plover
i dont think the interference extends too far
slate field
I don't know of it's been explicitly stated where the Runner's consciousnesses are being stored, but I do know at least some of the Runners arrived along with the UESC and corpo ships sent to TCIV. It's entirely possible they're capable of being beamed from Sol, but I'm not sure as a Runner I'd trust having my consciousness be sent nearly 100 lightyears via FTL laser when the inverse square law is (presumably) still a factor.
Or any number of freak astronomical phenomena that could occur to scramble your signal, like a GRB or something
neat nest
I don't know of it's been explicitly stated where the Runner's consciousnesses a...
ONI Voice Assert: CyberAcme does
slate field
I'd feel much safer being physically shipped to the location via hard drive with an on-board AI on hand to make sure I don't get accidentally deleted mid-transit
twin rain
Yeah I'm pretty sure the runners are all based in orbit (though what that looks like is still unknown)
slate field
I think the fact that it's undisclosed is intentional
twin rain
Yeah I prefer it that way tbh
slate field
And it's diagetic
Can't interrogate where your backups are being stored if even you don't know where they are
sand sluice
They're all in cans of brain soup obv
chilly pebble
FTL comms have been mentioned a few times so might be even back in sol
basically they could be anywhere
slate field
Unlikely that they're being stored within Sol
Even with FTL there'd be significant lagtime between teleports and shell/data transfers
patent thicket
Makes me wonder if they ever just kind of hang out in their Shells.
slate field
Oh, for leisure time, I'm sure they would
patent thicket
They have to, right? I feel like being disembodied is really isolating.
slate field
Yeah, you'd probably eventually go insane without having stuff to do while being stored in the cloud
neat nest
Even with FTL there'd be significant lagtime between teleports and shell/data tr...
Depends on how F the TL is but yeah
neat nest
Makes me wonder if they ever just kind of hang out in their Shells.
AIUI they do
twin rain
My guess is no, but that's unsubstantiated
slate field
shooting range when, Bungo?
neat nest
You’re just briefly disorientingly disembodied while your new shell is being woven
mortal magnet
@neat nest how do you do POI's properly?
I gave the game another chance after seeing Anti-Reals response and Jeff Gerstmanns review and I am enjoying it
sand sluice
what do you mean POIs
neat nest
What’s properly in this context?
My rules of thumb for new places is:
- get height, it’s always better to fight from high ground
- slow down and listen for runners
mortal magnet
POI is like Pinwheel or those locked rooms.
neat nest
Otherwise there’s some context specific stuff I like doing for specific ones
mortal magnet
I usually play Solo's since I have very limited time lately to play games
neat nest
I play mostly trios so my solo advice is weaker
twin rain
The broad strokes usually are:
- get in and get out FAST or:
- Wait and wait and wait until you know the coast is clear.
neat nest
The sound game is a lot more important for solos though
Take stuff slow and keep an eye out for telltales and clues
First shooter wins a lot of the time in solos so try to seek out and get the jump on people before they get the jump on you
sand sluice
gotcha, pinwheel, best for solos is to rush drone conveyance spawns, locked rooms is sketchy af because they're loud and will alert everyone halfway across the map so best bet is to play it depending on map
diremarsh is 100% luck, outpost I'd say wait until someone breaches pinwheel because then everyone will want to go pinwheel and then be careful around exfils
perimeter is also predominately luck but less so
my usual path for outpost on solo with pinwheel is drone conveyance -> drone wing lockbox + 1st command wing keypad -> destroyed wing lockbox + 2nd command wing keypad -> command wing -> exit through vent
neat nest
A good trick for pinwheel solos is to start the hack and fucking run
For the loud openings
twin rain
Sometimes it's fine to just do one wing thoroughly and get out if you hear fighting elsewhere within pinwheel.
sand sluice
destroyed wing is basically dead outside of dodging claymores from elevator ladders into pinwheel because they moved the spawns all over the map so you're better off just taking drone conveyance
neat nest
The UESC don’t need to be killed for the hack to work so you just use a different entrance once the walls drop
mortal magnet
My big trouble right now is that I have a vault full of greys and greens with occasional blues and I want to stock up for maybe trying Cryo at some point
That's why I am asking specifically about Pinwheel lol
mortal magnet
For the loud openings
That makes sense though to just book it
sand sluice
you generally shouldn't keep grey gear outside of being very early on
what level are you?
mortal magnet
Like 21?
placid oxide
yeah start just selling grays tbh
sand sluice
yeah sell grays
I'd honestly say run trio free kits fill and just hold onto w/e greens and above you get
slate field
No point in keeping greys in your vault unless it's salvage (either for upgrades or bartering). Grey weapons can always be upgraded to at least greens with a few mod purchases from the armory
sand sluice
or if you do solos W key on all maps with free kits until you get comfortable with pvp to start taking gear from other players
neat nest
Also, since this is sort of rarely signposted get as many priority accesses from factions as possible
They just give daily free stuff and some of it is good and expensive
Like wstrs
slate field
Yeah, WSTRs are basically free money once you have a couple already in your vault
neat nest
That’s more accurate really
Arachne priority access is really important
Nucal is also good for the meds
slate field
Was about to say
sand sluice
also if you're solo I'd say run triage and that way you can preserve any meds you find in raid
or you can try exfil camping as thief and try to get lucky with sniping good loot off someone exfilling
but that's more a meme where the most value out of thief is the xray vision
placid oxide
Nucal and CyAc are important just for vault space and meds tbh
slate field
Few things I'd suggest as someone who plays a lot of solo, learning rotation routes and knowing when to back out of a fight is crucial to survival. Also max out Agility and Heat-related upgrades as soon as you can
Having maxed out Agility is a gamechanger in terms of being able to just freely disengage from a lot of encounters
Also helps with maneuverability in general
patent thicket
Which one gives agility, again?
neat nest
MIDA iirc
placid oxide
Mida
placid oxide
The bonus agility combined with the NuCal heat cap increases and regen feels so much better honestly
Been doing fill Outpost runs and I do think it is making me better at close range fights
chilly pebble
Yeah I didn't think I'd feel 20 agility but every time I've upgraded it, it's obvious
neat nest
It substantially increases your walk speed
Sprint speed is locked at 6.4 ms though afaik
twin rain
Weapon weight will affect it
try sprinting with an LMG behind your brrt wielding comrade
But yeah idk if you can exceed max speed
placid oxide
I think vandal prime does but idk about anything else
slate field
The bonus agility combined with the NuCal heat cap increases and regen feels so ...
CyAc*
Though on the topic of NuCal upgrades, Self-Repair Speed is highly overlooked IMO
slate field
It significantly decreases the downtime from healing after fights and has meant the difference between life or death in a ton of fights I've been in
I don't know if it affects how fast Triage's drones heal you
Or their Shareware.exe trait
Self-Repair Speed upgrades cost a bunch of Derma/Neurochem Packs though, and those are a pain in the ass to get without raiding Pinwheel
chilly pebble
I find people just leave them in pinwheel for some reason so they're really easy to get with rook
slate field
Same
I think most people just prioritize other loot like purples and such
That and a lot of people tend to miss things just lying about in general
Hard-focusing on getting into those locked rooms and GTFO
There's still so much we don't know about how the stats affect stuff numbers-wise
patent thicket
As I said earlier, my focus for now is trying to hunt down other Runners so I get better at it.
slate field
That's good practice in general. More dead runners means less runners around to kill you
placid oxide
neat nest
Oh that makes sense
It’s funny when you fall .5 inches and make a huge clooooooonnnnnngggg
obsidian latch
(@rasteridiot)
neat nest
Dang it beat me to it
obsidian latch
Last night I had my first run of Outpost. Everything actually went perfectly. We only ran into like 2 people. One was a rook that was hiding in a bathroom and had like 5 claymores set up and called us pussies when we flushed him out with grenades 
Like far be it from me to judge, if it works it works. But dawg
mortal magnet
So these upgrades give prio access?
neat nest
I think so? I honestly forgot and my game isn’t open
twin rain
priority access is completing a contract line (usually the 1st 5/5 but not sure)
it may also require rank 10 reputation
neat nest
Ahhh no wonder I can’t remember
twin rain
the upgrades give exactly what they say. But the 1st one is always free.
in terms of purchasables anyways
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Evening grouping?
neat nest
I will later this evening but I am in my Lancer game rn
twin rain
I can in maybe 10-15
placid oxide
Will be same for me anyways, 10 minutes or so
final onyx
i can join
placid oxide
Channel's made!
sand sluice
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/s/pzb9woYQ3N
A true real life runner
Reddit
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone able to fill? Had one drop
patent thicket
Very bad evening performance-wise, but I did squeak out a couple of contracts for MIDA and got that first Agility upgrade, so I did accomplish what I set out to do.
chilly pebble
I managed to get coevo 3/5 done first try though I happened upon t he literal worst outpost armory I've ever seen
cinder hare
my brain suddenly had an idea where thermals got replaced with electronic signal tracker scopes or something
which were countered by firewall upgrades / os debug, and that they could be overclocked to boost their scan strength
placid oxide
I find it strange that heat is a mechanic that doesn’t interact with thermals tbh
viscid plume
mossy bridge
wonderful
sand sluice
As a heads up
Aimpunch in marathon is called flinch
Saw a weapon mod that said it reduces it while ads
sand sluice
I need to play destroyer more
obsidian latch
I just keep defaulting to Triage because the extra survivability is so nice
neat nest
Triage having heals and a gun better move makes him really compelling as a standard pick
One of the strongest shells for sure and imo one of the more likely ones to get nerfed
(I just don’t know if Reboot+ needs to skip the box lockout timer)
indigo oriole
i dont think my feelings would be hurt too much if reboot got adjusted like that
for me the strongest part of triage is just the overall overtime resource saving
neat nest
I agree
indigo oriole
less shield/health kits used per encounter adds up
patent thicket
I haven’t been having much luck with Destroyer.
neat nest
The reboot+ thing annoys me a little because it’s one of a number of mechanics which make it hard to tell if a push is “allowed”
Which is partially intended but “first hard kill is free” is crazy for triage
Esp on Cryo where box lockouts are a minute long
sand sluice
Depends on what they want to nerf
Triage skipping the death box timer doesn't bother me too much given theres no invuln on wakeup
neat nest
It only really bugs me on cryo where the death box timer is 3x longer than on other maps
Cause you’re right doing it instantly isn’t usually wise
sand sluice
Makes sense
neat nest
Maybe this is actually a cryo 1 minute death box timer issue I have haha
sand sluice
I'd say so
Same thing with people upset about thermals on dire marsh
If map is so foggy so much then it makes thermals strong and makes it so you don't have to play certain chars to get the benefit like assassin or use smokes
placid oxide
Reboot skipping the bag timer is definitely a wrench in the gears for knowing when you can press a numbers advantage.
It also is probably the most impactful prime ability in most engagements I’ve had?
neat nest
Probably?
placid oxide
Like last night we had a 2 for 2 trade, and I was instantly able to pop both my crewmates back up to make it 3v1
That kinda numbers swing that also happens fairly quickly is pretty brutal if you’re lack it on your side.
neat nest
Drone isn’t for engagements, recon ping kinda sucks, assassin super smoke is huge but so is reboot, rockets are more for pve than runners and amplify is lower impact
indigo oriole
i do prefer situations where the need to push/pull is weighed heavier, its one of the cool parts of the game and all the ways the skirmishes go
placid oxide
Smoke is the only real competition imo
neat nest
i do prefer situations where the need to push/pull is weighed heavier, its one o...
Same
patent thicket
Yeah I haven’t found any PvP scenario where I got to use my rockets at all.
neat nest
They’re theoretically strong since they hit runners with limbs immobilized
patent thicket
It’s over way too fast.
neat nest
But the sustained damage requirement means yeah - you 70% killed them already to get the rockets to fire
placid oxide
Yeah, usually by the time the rocket would fire the fight is decided or the rocket is going to hit a wall
patent thicket
Or they dropped you while you were turning the rockets on.
It’s way more useful for Commanders.
placid oxide
It is sick for PvE though
neat nest
Yeah it’s a great help for the spongier uesc
indigo oriole
what i can say about being on the receiving end of rockets is that those fuckers are Loud
neat nest
And killing them faster means more safety overall
patent thicket
The barricade is also kind of meh in PvP but it’s still useful.
I’d like to be able to shield bash with it.
neat nest
I think it’s super strong with practice
You can “parry” wstr shots and such with it or do otherwise too risky movements
sand sluice
For the time I've spent in ranked, destroyer and assassin have consistently had the best use from their prime, triage's ult has largely been hit or miss.
But this is entirely based on the fact that if someone downs you, most of the time they can just re-shoot on a rez, and most fights come down to who can output higher dps faster with the assassin smoke just turning it into a meme fest on who has thermals.
Ultimately gear usually wins more consistently but gear that has such an advantage is more often rare
mortal magnet
priority access is completing a contract line (usually the 1st 5/5 but not sure)
Wait then how do you get Arachne's prio's then?
sand sluice
EG getting 1 tapped from explosive rail gun from full shields
But tbf ranked is uhhh
Very new
neat nest
Wait then how do you get Arachne's prio's then?
I believe it’s rank 10 Arachne for them since they don’t really have a contract line
twin rain
Wait then how do you get Arachne's prio's then?
Their's is the "execute 10 runners" one
Might need both I don't remember and I can't check atm
sand sluice
Like some of the things I'm noticing.
-you can bring w/e holotags bronze-gold in low stakes regardless of rank
-fill seems to try to match based on closest rank which means bronze players gonna get shoved with bronze against higher rank players
-the other stuff about rotating playlist
Whats funny is it actually almost guarantees you can climb past gold if you have a dedicated stack only taking in bronze holotags
There's definitely a lot of people overestimating their skill in ranked too or they just don't know you can bring in whichever holotag
patent thicket
I think I need to focus on Arachne next.
sand sluice
Ye do prio contracts if able
sand sluice
The barricade is also kind of meh in PvP but it’s still useful.
Oh as a heads up, Shield is a great way to peek someone who has a shotgun
Esp wstr cause wstr has 2-3 shots
mortal magnet
Oh I think I got it, looking it up they will send you a message saying they are watching me or something so that's good
patent thicket
I got the first MIDA agility upgrade last night.
sand sluice
Now you can tp the usec bases faster
patent thicket
I’m hoping it helps some in fights with other runners, that’s something I’ve been trying to improve at.
neat nest
That’s where it’s most noticeable I feel
patent thicket
I’m really bad at PvP so I’m gonna focus on Arachne to hopefully shore that up.
(Also delicious extra melee damage.)
indigo oriole
Knife knife knife knife
sand sluice
Knife is good ye
patent thicket
Most of my runner kills have been knife kills.
neat nest
Wow lots of spawns for switches now
sand sluice
Someone said they saw some over at processing
If they're only at destroyed wing that's not too bad
I found most of the outside ones but wasn't sure if there were any inside or in the basement
cinder hare
I love how destroyer’s kit works
sand sluice
It's uhh
cinder hare
It’s a bit hard to use the shield though
sand sluice
No cap I think it might be one of my favorite kits
cinder hare
That being said I feel a little bad for Vandal
Since Destroyer and Thief have really good movement
sand sluice
I think most of the shells gets to fully shine with better shell implants
placid oxide
Vandal feels much better with the upgrades that make the cannon more generally useful
the one that increases damage and pings those it hits is a huge upgrade
cinder hare
I would enjoy Vandal having even crazier movement but I’m a weirdo
Gold mod for wallrunning yep yep
mossy bridge
vandal needs a little love to be on par with thief and destroyer yeah
honestly i think being able to shoot while sliding even with massive inaccuracy would help
neat nest
Just make power slide cancelable early and she’d instantly be hated and top tier imo
placid oxide
Yeah, being locked in to the full slide has got me killed more than once
Or just being able to steer while sliding
Let me do cool vent slide tech to go through and pop out fast
indigo oriole
vandal slide should drop grenades behind her
cinder hare
Just make power slide cancelable early and she’d instantly be hated and top tier...
I like the idea that pressing and holding slide keeps it going until max distance
And releasing at any time cancels it
cinder hare
Or just being able to steer while sliding
Enhanced slide tech as a blue or purple core…
placid oxide
Let me drift Bungie I beg
cinder hare
I think cores are the perfect place to give shells funky ways to manipulate the game
So they should totally add drifting or enhanced b-hopping and all that to cores lol
I imagine a b-hop nerf combined with a b-hop core would be funny shit
I believe bungie has said they’re going to nerf it to have proper heat generation or something like that
mossy bridge
give us the armored core quickboost the assault troopers and commanders do
gold destroyer core
woeful tundra
hey guys genuine question, gonna ping @neat nest for this too - what are the optimal keybinds re: hold vs toggle
i'm a huge toggle fan and i've been playing with toggle ads, toggle crouch and toggle sprint
but frankly it's been causing me problems. in particular I think toggle ads
because if I get downed while adsing, and then get rezzed, I immediately ads again
I have to deliberately unads before I can run
neat nest
I use toggle crouch and hold everything else
woeful tundra
do you rez into a crouched state?
twin rain
yeah I am also enjoying toggle crouch and sprint.
woeful tundra
like if you're crouching, get downed, someone picks you up, do you immediately revert to crouch?
neat nest
No I don’t think so
twin rain
you do not
woeful tundra
okay. okay the ads thing is driving me insane
neat nest
Lots of stuff bumps you out of crouch it’s kind of annoying
twin rain
so that's most certainly a bug thing
woeful tundra
i've tried hold crouch and hold sprint and insanely, it still doesn't let me sprint out of slides
placid oxide
toggle crouch and sprint are good, toggle ads is not something I would use
woeful tundra
I thought at least hold sprint would let me... hold sprint... while sliding
but no
at that point I might as well just toggle sprint and toggle crouch
woeful tundra
toggle crouch and sprint are good, toggle ads is not something I would use
I do use it, I like it, but also it needs to be programmed well and not like in marathon
twin rain
yeah I'd probably let em know, that feels unintuitive for sure
neat nest
Yeah ADS persisting through a down seems… bad
woeful tundra
yeah I'd probably let em know, that feels unintuitive for sure
how can I let them know
twin rain
there's a feedback thing somewhere, lemme double check
woeful tundra
thanks guys
it has been driving me insane, especially as a vandal
you need to be able to fucking book it with a slide as soon as you're up
but I have to do a minigame every time
left leg in, left leg out, in and out in and out shake it all about
void stirrup
Here Winged, if you're in the Marathon s- oh god damnit
woeful tundra
i am not in their discord
twin rain
yeah, after a quick look, that appears to be their main official thing for feedback unfortunately
woeful tundra
ok. i'll join.
twin rain
(was hoping for an email or bungie.net method but oh well)
void stirrup
bungie.net is always an option but yeah, that's kinda their main hub for feedback
just uhhhhh do yourself a favour and mute the gen chat since it's unfortunately filled with the hehe Marathon bad soyjacks a good lot of the time (that or just leave after dropping feedback lmao)
neat nest
Yeah the general chat is bad but the server as a whole is pretty good for a Huge Ass Official Game Server
void stirrup
yeye
mossy bridge
I keep trying solo fill and it's always bad
void stirrup
part of why I'm still in there, I find people LARPing in there funny
twin rain
the memes are peak at least
mossy bridge
why do i never learn my lesson arghhh
I'm tired of coming kitted and being paired with two free kits who die instantly
void stirrup
Depends on where you're filling into imo, if you're doing that in Perimiter then yeah it's bound to happen
mossy bridge
it was on outpost
void stirrup
OUTPOST???????????
mossy bridge
yes
void stirrup
okay either they are broke broke or just asking to get shot cuz, damn
mossy bridge
in fact i've probably seen more geared people on perimeter than outpost
(in terms of those who im matched with)
mossy bridge
I am the only one with gear and I am NEVER EVER solo clutching against a triple stack of players with gear
unless their internet goes out or something
twin rain
to be fair, I would not expect any level of coordination in random matchmaking. if you have a plan, ask around here. folks are generally available to help
mossy bridge
i was just running outpost to hopefully do run/hide 2
placid oxide
Yeah, the most I am taking into fill que is an enhanced sponser kit
mossy bridge
which is just play outpost normally
void stirrup
They gotta look at matching up squad fill kit values imo
I feel like it's fine for that, but in Outpost.... ehhhh...
void stirrup
Partially makes me wish the Ante system was a bit more prevalent on both ends.
oak glacier
Yeah I'll be honest, having expectations of random matchmaking in a game where you need to coordinate is just not gonna work
oak glacier
Even if they match you with players with gear
mossy bridge
like, 3000 to 2500
mossy bridge
ranked is dire marsh
sand sluice
hey guys genuine question, gonna ping <@255907872993574923> for this too - what ...
Depends on the game.
Marathon I do toggle everything except ADS because largely no punishment for doing toggle on crouch or sprint esp with slide canceling the sprint.
Bf6 I have sprint on hold because you 100% can get punished due to hipfire prevalence in it.
Eft I did toggle on everything including ADS because of the way movement tech works in that game + dedicated aim mechanics to juggle like lean
mossy bridge
ranked is full of sweats
twin rain
I think it's fine as is, the 0-to-hero moments are great
void stirrup
I honestly don't have any expectations on that front ngl, just wish I could have a bit more consistency outside of sticking to Ranked which is only opened up every-so-often
neat nest
I feel like it's fine for that, but in Outpost.... ehhhh...
No I just mean like if I’m running greens please put me with other greens and blues if I’m running a sponkit please put me with other sponkits
oak glacier
Well you expect sweats on your team
Idk what to tell you
mossy bridge
i do not like dire marsh, and i do not like sweaty players, because i am bad
i expect people to bring some gear!!!
that's all i expect!!!
sand sluice
i expect people to bring some gear!!!
why?
twin rain
I think that's a bad expectation tbh
sand sluice
If you arent in cryo or ranked. There is no gear minimum
mossy bridge
because why would you not when your options aside from that are naked or the cy*c free kit
neat nest
I don’t think it’s a bad one
void stirrup
No I just mean like if I’m running greens please put me with other greens and bl...
Oh ye that's loosely what I meant, me words not good there admittedly lmao
neat nest
There’s a sort of prisoners dilemma to soloQing atm where you don’t want to bring gear because others might not bring gear in your squad and you have to play no-gear runs differently because of that
mossy bridge
i wouldn't be surprised if free kits got changed in some way
neat nest
Which means your goals are probably not as aligned
mossy bridge
^
I think if they just queued you with people who're doing the same contract as you it'd be nine million times better
High intensity contract? Highly geared team
neat nest
The best soloq run I had was a hilarious match where all 3 of us brought solo builds and forgot to toggle solos
mossy bridge
Easy baby contract? Little to no equipment suicide run
neat nest
2 assassins 1 triage
void stirrup
I feel like that'd just make matchmaking hell and way longer ngl, I get the notion but it's a bit unfeasible
mossy bridge
yeah
neat nest
And we kicked asssssss
I think matching contracts is hard but trying to align the price of your kits is less of one
neat nest
Easy baby contract? Little to no equipment suicide run
In fairness I often do the reverse
I am not bringing the good shit to those Darsh Grand Tour contracts
mossy bridge
i more meant stuff like the mida finale and the seki finale
where you need to KILL SO MANY UESC
neat nest
Yeah fair those are very hard to free kit
sand sluice
alternatively
void stirrup
I am not bringing the good shit to those Darsh Grand Tour contracts
I've been pondering to gun Cardio Kick unlock and just play Triage with a full stack of them packed partially due to how many of them there are, ngl
simply fuck everything, go zoom
sand sluice
don't do the contracts and wait until you can get a premade to take gear with you to do the contracts
mossy bridge
all of my friends who own this game either live on the other side of the globe to me (literally one aus two american) or they have their own trios team
neat nest
Imagine relaxing at ponds lol
void stirrup
https://bsky.app/profile/marathonthegame.bungie.net/post/3mihbha4b3j2w
i want to eat it
twin rain
forbidden cookie
mossy bridge
algae pond bath bomb (actual hand grenade)
sand sluice
ye so best thing to do is to schedule or ask around.
alternatively, do the rotating quests
you can hit vip on each faction without doing all the prio contracts
mossy bridge
but the prio ones give me lore and are more interesting if harder
neat nest
I mean that doesn’t actually help with the pain point of solo fill being unreliable
neat nest
I haven’t tried a lot of online lfg on the official I’m curious how it is
mossy bridge
i dont want to spend most of my time doing the equivalent of skyrim radiant quests
mossy bridge
yknow speaking of outpost
has anyone gotten into pinhwheel via the destroyed wing yet
neat nest
Oh so this is where purple power rangers come from
sand sluice
I have yes
granted wasn't really worth cause was just trying to figure out the new spawns so took very long
my best run on outpost post changes was doing rook, grabbing 3 master keys and going into pinnacle room after everyone had left cause people weren't paying attention to the fact they hadn't been taken on the map
if I had to do it solo, fastest I could do it on would prob be thief given drone can hit the boxes
sand sluice
I would say run conveyance solo for questing with free kits, as long as you get into drone wing before other players get in you can pickup enough inside pinwheel to do w/e quest and get out
if you die before you get inside or another player gets in, oh well, you're on a free kit
mossy bridge
completed truth/lies 2
go to leave
destroyer hiding in the corner one taps me with his knife :)
patent thicket
I think part of my trouble is that Destroyer doesn’t have the kind of longevity to make it super viable in solo.
mossy bridge
genuinely what do i do about that this happens so often dude i need help
my instinct is to Shoot Him but that never works and i doubt it ever would unless i had a wstr
patent thicket
I’m just kind of rolling the trouble I’m having around in my head to identify and solve the problems I’m having.
mossy bridge
it also now dawns on me:
i could've lowered the drone
why did i not
sand sluice
run it again and hope for the best, the most amount of time I've spent on a quest was 100% completely out of my control because I did it right in the first 3 attempts and the game bugged out on me
patent thicket
it also now dawns on me:
i could've lowered the drone
why did i not
You’re playing while stressed out and that makes you forgetful.
neat nest
Usually if you’re getting got by people in corners they’re hearing you coming and hiding
mossy bridge
i meant the "getting stabbed to death by some rat hiding in a corner"
yes im sure he did
because drone wing was full of claymores and that quest spawns UESC to fight
neat nest
So you may be sprinting more than you should
mossy bridge
also i had to shoot the boxes
i barely ever sprint outside of combat i've had that beaten into me by dying so much
it's always after a fight
placid oxide
Getting 3rd party is also a part of extraction shooters at the end of the day
sand sluice
i meant the "getting stabbed to death by some rat hiding in a corner"
like what Fang said, evaluate what happened and try to think of things you could have done differently.
Could have left a different way, could have tried playing more reactionary, etc, etc
Unfortunately if someone is ratting you're very unlikely to do anything about it if you can't guess it out before hand
neat nest
Yeah it’ll happen a certain amount no matter what
mossy bridge
speaking of i just got third partied after third partying
the third part was the UESC
i got both of the players too 🫠
(they were free kits so im not that bent out of shape)
sand sluice
yup, UESC is lethal af and I've died to them many times after winning a fight against another player
mossy bridge
I had popped the adv. heal that the green sponsored kits give you
but he rounded the corner and shot me before it had done it's magic
I bet that UESC recruit feels real proud
neat nest
I bet that UESC recruit feels real proud
Maybe the recruit wouldn’t but Orion 100% would
patent thicket
I’ve been trying to cultivate a mindset of “I made a mistake, how can I fix it?” instead of just getting fuckass mad about it and if I start feeling frustrated and upset, I stop playing and don’t come back until I’m calm again.
sand sluice
that's happened to me a lot recently
mossy bridge
okay have they done something to claymores or has their range always been this stupid
sand sluice
I think my only real gripe atm is people taking silver holotags into silver ranked and I get sandbagged because of it, but tbf I know what I'm getting into
patent thicket
This game can be really frustrating! So I limit myself.
mossy bridge
because i triggered one, backed away from it around the corner, and still died
sand sluice
okay have they done something to claymores or has their range always been this s...
claymores have always been really strong ye
mossy bridge
from full health and half white shield
because someone put claymores in the conveyance room
sand sluice
yeah Idk how it works but claymore reach is deceptive
mossy bridge
claymores have always been really strong ye
kill through walls strong apparently
whatever we'll just say it was spalling
sand sluice
it goes around corners ye
mossy bridge
crazy
sand sluice
to me safety for claymores is distance from the claymore
mossy bridge
I can't even be mad I need to get into the habit of checking doors
sand sluice
also goes to show how dangerous a rook can be even without a wstr lol
mossy bridge
nah this was like 5 minutes in
but i get your point
Too bad I can't fucking use claymores for the life of me
I do not have the neurones developed to effectively place them beyond "someone chasing me... me plant one... :)"
and in that case i'd rather ahve a smoke
mossy bridge
I think my only real gripe atm is people taking silver holotags into silver rank...
They really need to limit the amount of those you can bring into raid
I've seen people use it to get past the gear ante on Cryo and just run knives only
maybe you just pay to play a round of ranked and that counts as you buying the holotag
sand sluice
yeah they need to fix that exploit
I'm not sure tbh
I don't know what bungie's goal with ranked is
mossy bridge
or a special slot that only counts for dropping loot when you play ranked
sand sluice
with how it works, with what I've personally tested, you bring in whichever holotag you have access to (I've only seen up to gold so Idek if you can do low stakes queue without hitting higher than gold.)
logically speaking, you should just bring in the bronze holotag, because the penalty for losing with a bronze holotag is the least compared to it's obj score (600/3000 bronze vs 2000/5000 silver vs 4200/7000 gold)
you might think having lower tag caps your score which is technically true, but for doing any event or killing purp uesc you get tokens which give overcapacity, so you can literally get 20k score off bronze holotags from overcapacity with only a max penalty of 1800 for losing
mossy bridge
does anyone have the map of all the funny power box spawns yet
mossy bridge
found the last one but ty
neat nest
Claymore hit detection seems to be a big cone from them
I’ve had luck just sprinting past them
It’s really confusing
cinder hare
I had to leave the marathon discord cuz I like the feedback forums too much for my own good
It’s way too much fun in the most toxic way possible
slate field
I've had to deal with my own fair share of idiots in the Marathon server, so I rarely go there unless I'm desperate for trios
cinder hare
Also I’m fine with people saying blue/purple+ only but it’s just kinda funny
It’s the “smart pvp” people that make me laugh
mossy bridge
intellectual pvp
sand sluice
playing ranked I've seen maybe like
3 sets of people I would say fit into being good enough to make that claim, and this is over like 16 hours or so of ranked
twin rain
yeah man I play pvp at the library
mossy bridge
Theologian's PVP
sand sluice
truth be told
intellectual pvp is predominately not doing pvp because it's not super worth it outside of arachne contracts
I guess if you're doing loot orientated runs then maybe but even then might be smarter to just hyper optimize a loot run and get in/get out with taking as minimal engagements as possible lol
neat nest
I’m of two minds for it
Cause going fast and quiet in and out can work super well
But choosing violence first and then safe loot later is also good
sand sluice
ye but IMO I think most importantly is just doing hardsets for when/why
"we can spawn rush for 5 min but at 5 min mark if we haven't won and we're up we need to move on"
patent thicket
I tend to avoid other runners if I can because historically it’s been a bad bet. The juice is almost never worth the squeeze.
Which is something I’m trying to change my mindset on.
sand sluice
first shot with height advantage is crazy good, outside of height I'd be careful af to take a first shot
patent thicket
Last night I ran face to face into an Assassin and neither one of us shot and he just ran away. Weird interaction, I let him go because I’ve gotten lured into ambushes before.
wintry shuttle
If you're fighting runners, do the Witcher method.
mossy bridge
looted the super uber locked room because my contract failed (i think it was timed and i took too long) and Wow
they have buffed the loot
sand sluice
ye
wintry shuttle
If you're fighting runners, do the Witcher method.
Silver (plasma) for shields, steel (bullets) for runners.
sand sluice
guaranteed cryo key and uhh, 2 purp salvage as well?
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mossy bridge
i left soooooooooooooo many fucking blue chempacks
sand sluice
I have to loot them off dead players
wintry shuttle
How rare are Golden backpacks?
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How rare are Golden backpacks?
never seen a single one
i've seen a few purps
mostly blues
cinder hare
i left soooooooooooooo many fucking blue chempacks
Don’t they stack?
mossy bridge
they do i just didnt loot them before
i was out of room 😔
and then i wasnt, but the match was about to end
so i left
twin rain
How rare are Golden backpacks?
ran into one once, on outpost from a player who said they were fresh from cryo. haven't found one myself personally
mossy bridge
i think they may be mostly from cryo
or pinwheel loot (mostly command and the triple red locked room)
wintry shuttle
Oh wow
sand sluice
I think lucky drops/anomaly/gold locked rooms
mossy bridge
backpack space is kinda king in this game frankly
sand sluice
I've not seen gold loot from triple red locked room but have only been in there once
wintry shuttle
I've been grinding those command matrices to build up another blue key.
patent thicket
I’m running out of green shield mods.
twin rain
yeah. they miiiight drop in the new buffed pinwheel locked rooms but idk
wintry shuttle
I've been grinding those command matrices to build up another blue key.
But now I have an idea. I'm gonna wait until the last ten minutes to check out every locked room to see if they opened up.
Because my last run had someone opened security.
twin rain
they have the same size as purples iirc but they have enhanced effects
neat nest
Damb what a haul
mossy bridge
happy about the ballistic turbine and the enzyme replicators
rachne need so many enzyme replicators
3 for cutthroat.exe rank 3, 9 for deluxe retaliator and knife fight v4, 7 for deluxe mips railgun and hurting hands v4 and 11 for heat death.exe (the VIP reward, also needs 3 haz capsules)
meanwhile mida needs like, 20 ballistic turbines
patent thicket
I need so many unstable biomasses and lead.
mossy bridge
traxus is frankly quite reserved in terms of purple salvage, 10 predictive frameworks, 14 reflex coils
they ask for a fuck ton of gold salvage though
wintry shuttle
Of course they do
mossy bridge
9 alien alloy
patent thicket
Do you guys think MIDA has, like, an endgame or anything?
mossy bridge
cyac just needs lodesemone and a bunch of easy to find unstable stuff
lead, diodes, biomass, gunmetal, gel
patent thicket
Or are they just going “YEAH BREAK STUFF!” on an interstellar scale?
mossy bridge
nucal is biolens seeds and neural insulation
mossy bridge
Or are they just going “YEAH BREAK STUFF!” on an interstellar scale?
it seems like they're trying to incite a riot
by telling the system what happened to tau ceti 4
and that UESC tried to cover it up
patent thicket
Okay that makes more sense.
wintry shuttle
UESC: Trying to keep it under wraps
mossy bridge
Frankly I think telling people there's aliens who are hostile and weird anomalous viruses that mutate and kill all human life and show signs of sentience would cause a lot of unrest
wintry shuttle
Nucal: Trying to figure out what the fuck actually happened.
Traxus: Wanting their investment back
Mida: RIOT! RIOT! RIOT!
Archane: Murder
Seki: Battleroids return
neat nest
I appreciate how many contract debriefs with Gaius are just “damn, this is really fucked up runner”
mossy bridge
cyac wants money
nucal wants to find out what happened so it doesnt happen again (they probably want to try again)
traxus wants money
mida wants the truth
arachne wants to watch the ongoing repeated murder footage that we create on a day to day basis doing our jobs
sekiguchi i think wants info on the battleroids and also field testing for whatever the SIMbiont really is
neat nest
Meanwhile Nona is like “ok skinning yourself was pretty raw, thanks, I made weird drugs for you please take them and kill people?”
mossy bridge
I appreciate how many contract debriefs with Gaius are just “damn, this is reall...
darin de paul does such a good job as gaius
he was samuel hayden and truman zanotto in doom 2016/eternal and psychonauts 2
twin rain
nucaloric is the paperclip ai optimization reconfigured to provide food to humanity
mossy bridge
i can definitely hear the truman zanotto in gaius, if you distorted gaius' voice a bit and made it a bit deeper it'd probably sound like samuel hayden
he'd have to change his cadence a bit though samuel hayden has a very deliberate way of how he says things
wintry shuttle
nucaloric is the paperclip ai optimization reconfigured to provide food to human...
Nucal: I must make food
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wintry shuttle
Nucal: I must make food
Nucal: What the fuck happened to the people who eat my food!?!? The fuck?!
cinder hare
NuCal seems to have genuinely fair and reasonable goals for a megacorpo
mossy bridge
also do remember that earth is an ecologically ravaged wasteland that is still the main food producer for the entire solar system
the UESC had to stop climate change from destroying the earth at gunpoint
wintry shuttle
But they also are evil
mossy bridge
yeah
wintry shuttle
But they also are evil
Because, well, they sorta false flagged a labor movement on one of the colonies to be terrorists.
mossy bridge
they're a totalitarian surveillance state that routinely does starve-outs and false flag attacks
mossy bridge
their goal is just "stop the complete and utter collapse of humanity into warring savages, at any cost"
cinder hare
Yeah
mossy bridge
they're like if the UNSC and ONI fused into one government
and earth got partially glassed without the involvement of aliens
neat nest
I like how there’s an audio log (text log?) which is just Orion calling you up to explain that the UESC just does what it has to do and it’s for a good reason stop fucking it up
Or people will die actual people who don’t just get up again after
Whatever you gotta tell yourself buddy
mossy bridge
ohhhhh my GOD i fell out of the map with that insane gear haul i got last run
my hook wasnt ready
when you exfil bi-run:
run 1: purple shield and m77
run 2: mida sponsored kit
neat nest
Lmao real
placid oxide
found 4 blue shields on bodies spawning in as a rook where a fight went down and just...man folks are way beyond me in this game's progression lol
patent thicket
Gaius really is out here going “Damn, that’s crazy.” every time you bring him more info.
Just going back and being like “Yeah there was aliens, Gaius.”
“Damn.”
Chip bag rustling, crunching.
“That’s craaaaazy.”
wintry shuttle
"The aliens made a virus that wiped out the colony, Gaius."
"Damn."
Chip rustling
"That's crazy."
neat nest
(He’s sincere he just also likes chips)
wintry shuttle
(Very true)
patent thicket
He makes them!
mortal magnet
Queued with Randoms
slate field
Gahd dayum
mortal magnet
I am sad I didn't get the yellow weapon off one guy I killed
It got yoinked from me
But I killed 3 rooks, and wiped another team
patent thicket
How?
mortal magnet
My teammate stole it off his corpse as I was looting
mossy bridge
Queued with Randoms
bro SEVEN?
damn
I wish for that one achievment that needs you to kill 9 people it counted your entire party
wiping 9 people in trios either involves you killing most people in a team fight or kill stealing it feels like
patent thicket
Picking people off after the UESC has mangled them is a valid strategy.
mossy bridge
i mean fair but good luck
patent thicket
It works for me sometimes. The sound of a fight is a dinner bell for a lot of players.
mossy bridge
i mean yeah
but it's more that when i get there they're usually either gone or healed
chilly pebble
ugh forgot I needed a cardio kick for this co evolution
chilly pebble
Oh I've already one it
it's pretty easy
known box spawns, this is just not worth doing lol
neat nest
I think it’s pretty good in trios
mossy bridge
It's honestly not bad
i've done it once today with good spawns
it's four boxes
a lot of which you can just snipe from orientation
cinder hare
I want to do some pinwheel runs
neat nest
Yoooooo <@&1474420814979010821>
Good sounding shit
Glad they’re just buffing underperformers so far not nerfing shells
cosmic flame
gold consumable 'you tried' sticker
you can stick it to your opponents instead of executing them to rez them
cinder hare
Yoooooo <@&1474420814979010821>
Honestly I like that they want knife SCALING changed
neat nest
It’s the right place to hit it imo
slate field
Man, I only just maxed out melee damage upgrades and can finally one shot those annoying UESC Ghost fuckers
cinder hare
The knife being super strong is what I like about it
neat nest
There’s a pile of cores, including a gold which kind of suck because you can pretty much cap melee damage with only Arachne upgrades
cinder hare
Yeah
placid oxide
Melee having a cap is lame