Marathon

[obsidian latch]

It must feel so good to be driving this shit at 700 mph 3 liquid cheeseburgers and a Cardio Kick down

[chilly pebble]

Just realized I hadn't healed yet at the point when the extract showed up, I really shoulda chanced it

[neat nest]

wisdom for another run I guess

[obsidian latch]

Wrapping my hover bike around a drone pole because I’m fucked up off that tick milk and Charter jumpscared me screaming about skinning runners so I took my eyes off the road

[slate field]

<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some lockdowns in Dire Marsh? (sort of)

[obsidian latch]

CyAc could make so much money if they set up a place where you can download into a shell and drunk drive in a controlled environment and just wreck your shit without consequence (besides the constant life death cycles scrambling your brain)

[patent thicket]

Defrag yourself and face the bloodshed.

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> cryo anyone?

[neat nest]

Going to bed for me

[tawdry sequoia]

if anyone gave ranked a try, how was it?

I haven't seen people mention it

[patent thicket]

I’ve been thinking about trying it as a way to break my hesitancy about fighting other runners.

Can’t get better at it if I don’t do it!

[sand sluice]

IMO for that just take sponsored kits and W key every sound you hear

The 3k entry cost for ranked will deplete your credits if you're just trying to trial by fire it

If you wanna be really silly W key every sound you hear on dire marsh

[patent thicket]

Ah, I didn’t know there was an entry fee.

[sand sluice]

Ye, ranked you have to buy the holotag + there's a minimum gear value requirement

Low stakes is 3k IIRC

[patent thicket]

I’ve died in (almost) every encounter with other runners I’ve had so far, so I’m trying to diagnose the problem.

[neat nest]

Solos or trios?

[sand sluice]

There's a lot at play that can happen, I'd start by asking solos or trios and do you notice anything that you think might be the cause ye

[patent thicket]

I’ve mostly been going solo.

[neat nest]

Solos is simpler and a lot of it comes down to getting the first shot, trios is just a really really complicated game to play

“Getting the first shot” is complicated though

[sand sluice]

Solos is def first shot advantage up until blue shields and even then, someone who is decent enough at positioning/aiming can still kill you before you get a chance to react

[neat nest]

EG staying quiet, learning common paths, field detective stuff like reading the UESC aggro state, that sort of thing

[sand sluice]

Also shotguns 2 tap all shields so if you die to shotguns it's mainly just "I was too close" and "can I have done anything about it to avoid being too close?" And more often than not the answer is just, "nah not really lol"

[tawdry sequoia]

there's also some introspection to be done with that, if you're losing exchanges in the open, maybe try becoming the shotgun gremlin yourself and try and stage fights to be in your advantage by swinging on people close range with shotguns

(or do aim trainer but that's kinda just 'get good' which isn't all that helpful)

[neat nest]

I should do some of that ngl

I’ve lost my eye some since I haven’t been playing FPS as much

[grave pebble]

Im constitutionally terrible at pushing unless it's with a team

[sand sluice]

Same, I need to get back on aim training

[cosmic flame]

everyone should beat my ass at kovaaks

[patent thicket]

I think at least some of my trouble is that I’m easily startled.

Dunno what to do about that, but I’m gonna file it away.

[sand sluice]

Ahh, you need muscle memory

Well, kinda hard to describe

[patent thicket]

I’m really out of practice with PvP shooters, so yeh you’re probably right.

[sand sluice]

Lemme ask this, are you getting startled in a situation you know someone could possibly startled you?

[patent thicket]

I’m not sure how to answer that.

[sand sluice]

I'm a bit bad at describing it tbf

Like uhh, when I get startled in an fps, 1 of 2 things happen.
1st is I hit W key and bolt for cover, 2nd thing is I react and start shooting

I'd def recommend grinding some aim trainer stuff for a bit, probably on the side of reactive clicking

[patent thicket]

I usually react and start shooting.

[sand sluice]

Gotcha thats good ye

[patent thicket]

But the TTK in this game is like a femtosecond, so…

Guess I do just need some practice. Sponsored kits.

[neat nest]

It’s easy to get jumpy in Marathon since fights are intermittent, fast, and impactful

It’s kinda good to do some omnicidal free kit runs just to get into the rhythm of things

[inland obsidian]

I know that feel, I always have that issue on that kind of tense game. Weirdly, I am sometime more effective when I am a little drunk lol

[random vessel]

interesting that neotokyo is on the inspiration list for marathon but i appreciate it

I knew the soundtrack reminded me of ed harrison's work

[inland obsidian]

Does some people willing to help me clear Equitable Distribution 2/4 on Dire Marsh? I only played solo, so it would be the first trio run for me!

[inland obsidian]

OOoh, I don't know this one, I'll definitly check it!

[random vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zl-FWcMOno runner shell song in my honest onion

[cosmic flame]

when the function got susumu hirasawa - paranesian circle

[random vessel]

correct and based

oni IS kind of the voice in our head saying get them puppy

[inland obsidian]

Ruiner vibe

[patent thicket]

Tin soldiers. Toys.

Made to be broken and thrown away, there’s always another one to get out of the pack.

Shells are cheap, Runners are worthless.

[late geyser]

annnd so goes cryo for 3 more days

i only got one run in

i'm a little salty ngl

[patent thicket]

I heard that Cryo is a fucking claustrophobic labyrinth.

Which is just A+. I just finished the original Marathon last week and if the interior of the ship wasn’t a claustrophobic labyrinth I think I’d be disappointed.

I kept thinking to myself “Damn, the BoBs really lived like this huh?”

[neat nest]

It’s a mix of claustrophobic mazes and huge rooms

[patent thicket]

“Why’s there so many open pools of lava in the colony ship?”

[patent thicket]

Yeah sounds like the UESC Marathon I experienced.

[placid oxide]

<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some day time runs?

[late geyser]

it's a great map

[mossy bridge]

just watched a FPV drone in the making after i exfilled

crazy

[patent thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-bungie-bungie-marathon-classic-marathon-aleph-one-gif-15748062047549293355

[mossy bridge]

knowing they added an insane parkour puzzle in cryo archive in the vein of the ones in the original makes me happy

[patent thicket]

They lied about how cheap this colony ship is.

[mossy bridge]

i tihnk they only said that to get insurance write-offs

[patent thicket]

Unironically I think that’s one of the reasons they’re sending runners in.

[mossy bridge]

i mean yeah that's a big part of why we're here

recouping losses

i really hope they remove the two ghosts having fun in the lake here who immediately aggro onto you after you spawn in

[neat nest]

Huh

I have never seen that happen

[mossy bridge]

i've had iut happen twice now

[cinder hare]

It’s a bad quest location yeah

[mossy bridge]

oh it's related to a quest?

[neat nest]

Ahhh I see

[sand sluice]

It's a quest yes

[tawdry sequoia]

yeah something about water samples

[neat nest]

That spawn sucks for so many reasons then haha

[oak glacier]

it is quest related yes

[mossy bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-smiling-friends-pim-pim-smiling-friends-crusty-gif-2385448551073129567

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

GIRL??????

[sharp plover]

👀

[late geyser]

oh no a fucking Mjolnir Unit

[tawdry sequoia]

I too enjoy updating the terminator for shits and giggles

[patent thicket]

I think I was cooking with this line.

[neat nest]

There’s a funny bit in the old arg where Traxus is talking about runners

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> idk who would have time rn but marton?

[mossy bridge]

almost didnt make it lmao i had no idea where the secured extract terminal in pinhwheel is

so i just ran for a guarded before the timer ended but then i went for the last exfil (i was the last player anywho)

[patent thicket]

This game reminds me of Cruelty Squad in a ton of ways and I’d like to elaborate on that later if anyone is interested.

[mossy bridge]

also god the punch is so unfair
i win too many fights with it

nona i swear to god :)

[neat nest]

I’m interested

[mossy bridge]

this is going to be a free kit quest

aint no way am i bringing actual gear for this

[patent thicket]

So. Cruelty Squad is a game where death is cheap because everyone can just be resurrected no problem. A small fee is charged to you and you’re on your way. You, the player, are essentially a gig worker for the titular Cruelty Squad, who gives you contracts to go kill people or destroy things but mostly you kill people and your pay is less than the value of the things you steal while on the mission. Mostly organs, which can be sold to buyers on an ever-changing market. Marathon feels really similar, albeit more sterile in aesthetic.

Speaking of aesthetics, the vibrant colors and smooth, plastic surfaces in the game strongly remind me of Cruelty Squad if you polished it to make it less intentionally hard to look at and smoother. That smoothness, though, gives everything in the game an uncannily toy-like look that I feel adds a layer of discomfort that isn’t as blatant as Cruelty Squad’s overt and above all intentional hideousness.

That toy-like aesthetic contrasts sharply with the brutal and utilitarian angles of the UESC drones especially. It drives home that the weapons aren’t meant for natural human hands because everyone can just gun looks like a lump of 3D printed polymer that you could snap over your knee. A lot like how all of the guns in Cruelty Squad all look strange and whimsical because they’re all based on real-world failures and prototypes. It’s two aesthetics that serve a similar function of portraying the world as hostile and corporate.

This is all me kind of shooting from the hip, granted.

But these are my thoughts on how both games have some similarities that serve the same purposes, even if they’re not entirely 1:1.

I hope it makes sense to other people or is at least interesting.

[mossy bridge]

wow this quest is hell
it's the "defeat a hostile runner" part
either you die or you find nobody

i found one person and they were in the exfil zone and i didnt kill them in time

[neat nest]

Yeah there’s definitely some crossover with CS and marton

[mossy bridge]

and agreed

[neat nest]

I also think that one is a lot easier to do in trios

Since teammate kills count

[mossy bridge]

oh real

I've just been doing solo because i like solo

I dunno why people complain about solo so much

[patent thicket]

Both games are also hostile up front. There’s a steep learning curve that helps to drive forward that theme of the world they take place in being inhabited by atomized, violent people motivated purely by avarice, whether their own or the avarice of their owners employers.

[chilly pebble]

Because they don't want to come to terms with the fact that they're not the carry in their trios

And you can't blame your team if your team is just you :v

[neat nest]

I prefer trios since the fights are so cool

Solos is fine but it’s not the same

I do kinda think Triage ult should respect the reboot cooldown timer though

[indigo oriole]

id agree w that

Solo fights are neat cuz its like weird ass metal gear solid shit, but a lot of the cool combat quirks shine in trios, esp when you get back and forth

you can get some pretty "long" firefights

[neat nest]

It makes it never really feel safe to push on a kill without like, perfect information and I don’t love that since pushing is already so risky

[indigo oriole]

had a 7 minute long 3v3 in maint yesterday because neither of us were able to fully Push into the other when we'd get someone down between the level design and the uesc

[neat nest]

It’s so cool when that happens honestly

[indigo oriole]

yeah, we were really worried about another team showing up but it never happened

we had the high ground on the walkways but we couldnt Leave with them around and the uesc kept reinforcing and putting pressure on both of us / ratting both teams out on where they were

[mossy bridge]

everyone is really desensitized to bloodshed too

[icy marsh]

Because legitimately 90% of other solos I see are assassins just skulking around invisible barely interacting with anything less some other assassin out skulk them

Trios is much more aggro and I like that

I feel like it'd be less oppressive if being invisible didn't also quiet your other actions as much but then assassin would probably not be good as good in trios

[neat nest]

Afaik being invisible does not quiet your actions

But crouchwalking is pretty quiet anyway

[indigo oriole]

the "assassin skulk meta" is so silly lmao good luck being slow and invis im runnin around at the vandal speed of sound

also i think even after trying the dedicated duos map i still prefer just loading up as a duo into the trios queue

[patent thicket]

I’m a Destroyer main. I’m mostly launching myself into windows at high speed.

And out of them.

[twin rain]

Love jumpscaring my teammates by doing that

[cinder hare]

lmao conveyence has gone down like 5 times this match

[patent thicket]

I did it in a trio with randoms and one just yelped and went “Nice jump, dude.” while his friend laughed.

[chilly pebble]

Average destroyer gameplay

Honestly I just treat assassin invis like a super signal jammer, it's to cover me while I reposition or give me a few moments to open fire first, always move fast

[patent thicket]

My interactions with randoms in this game has been shockingly nontoxic. I’ve been impressed.

Even after a team wipe every one of them has had an “Oh well, that’s Marathon! 🤷” attitude.

[indigo oriole]

destroyer more like Defenestrator

[chilly pebble]

Self defenestrator

[indigo oriole]

they should let Destroyer grapple someone to go out the window with

as a treat

[chilly pebble]

But yeah my team interactions have all been nice, though I have been called slurs multiple times in prox chat

[patent thicket]

I had a triple Destroyer team that exfiltrated successfully by arranging ourselves in a triangle with our shields and just waiting out the enemy. I’m still laughing at that.

Apes together strong.

[icy marsh]

Every trio that ive talked to in prox chat was nice

[chilly pebble]

I wish the shields had an actual physical aspect to them, surround them in the triangle

[icy marsh]

The only toxic ones have been random dudes i kill in solo calling me one last slur as their dying curse

[chilly pebble]

Put the poor rook in gay baby jail

[patent thicket]

That’s background radiation for Gaming™ and can be written out of the equation. It’s basically a hive mind that I call Slurs Georg.

[indigo oriole]

my one funny prox chat moment was me and a guy downing each other at the same time as solos and they ask me "yo wanna race" so we crawl-raced the catwalk on dire marsh

[neat nest]

lol

[indigo oriole]

Slurs Georg can and will be defeated

saw a stream clip of someone playing metal gear music over prox chat and switching it to the alert music whenever he got spotted

[chilly pebble]

That's what the sacred thermodynamics of violence is for

They cannot say slurs in prox chat if they're no longer in the game

[icy marsh]

Shout out to one assassin that failed their stealth roll on me and their dying words were "You're sooo criiiiinnnggge"

[grave pebble]

trios play out a bit closer to a traditional battle royale, but singles feel like more of a stealth game

as you said

i should get into more 1v3s as rooks. i mean, what do i stand to lose?

[chilly pebble]

I really need to work on getting the wster for rook

even if you don't use it, it's a real nice money boost

[indigo oriole]

i think cyan put it well earlier but rook will have you acting like a sleuth

[neat nest]

It’s fun to try to do “incident reconstruction” as a rook

[warm sage]

@neat nest do you have that clip of that one grifter girl playing Marathon I need it

[neat nest]

Not handy but I can find it

[indigo oriole]

yeah playing rook and stumbling into 3+ body bags and uesc bodies is like... hmm...

[wintry shuttle]

Man

I am actually surprised nobody hasn't done the Jerry and Kramer meme about Rook runs.

Assassin: Rook, what's going on in there

Rook: Free loot

[patent thicket]

“Something happened here.” As I’m shoving everything into my backpack and scuttling towards the nearest extraction.

[warm sage]

goddamnit

oh shit wait???

[twin rain]

I think those are the next round of cryo contracts

[twin rain]

speaking of cryo:

[placid oxide]

Really like that, means more folks get to experience the whole thing.

[patent thicket]

I suppose I should get off my butt and get back on Tau Ceti IV.

I'm still working on my intro quests for the corpos, got my eye on Traxus next.

If anyone would like to help me out, I'd appreciate it.

[twin rain]

I can hop on in like 15m

[cinder hare]

come on

i just finished the seki simbiont + kill uesc quest and then i got hit by runners suddenly right when i was about to exfil 😭

[warm sage]

<@&1474420814979010821> anyone tryna help me power level CyAc? I need Vault 4

[cinder hare]

yeah i can do that in a moment

[cinder hare]

ight

[warm sage]

<@&1474420814979010821> looking for 1 more!

[patent thicket]

I got unexpectedly busy!

[twin rain]

I can join in next run

[warm sage]

@chilly pebble Archenn#9630

[cinder hare]

yeah there is abolutely NO refuting that Marathon isnt mechsploit

[woeful tundra]

was discussing this with a marathon playing friend

for everyone here who wants to help test a nasty pve game

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1592280/view/493845251872523180?l=english

selaco is looking for testers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFI1QSd4T2g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RY212ly4NU

@cinder hare etc ^

[distant zinc]

god i love selaco

[warm sage]

I WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE THIS RUN AND WE MAKE OUT WITH A KEY ROOM'S LOOT????

[chilly pebble]

Carmens such a rat for grabbing both gold shields lmao :v

[neat nest]

Good to hear

I was saving my key for that

[distant zinc]

thank fuck

[distant zinc]

jesus fuck

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> got a blue key for dire marsh greenhouse labs, need a duo or trio

[patent thicket]

Didn't they say they were looking at adding a shooting range type thing?

[cinder hare]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat nest]

They did, no timeline though

[patent thicket]

Ah, I see. Still, that's a feature I'm looking forward to.

[cinder hare]

Actually on a second hand, @warm sage @chilly pebble I’m gonna save this key for you two

[patent thicket]

Okay so, charging directly at another runner and knifing them to death is a lot more effective than I expected.

I'm not even mad that I got got by the UESC immediately after, I got a runner kill on my own!

[distant zinc]

yeah it’s peak

i’ve won a lot of fights by ripping an air dash and going nuts with the knife

[patent thicket]

Okay, knife not as effective on higher-tier UESC.

[neat nest]

Yeah good for greys and greens, doable but risky on blues, and not worth without very specific builds on purples

(Solo)

(Trios can prison shank wardens)

[sand sluice]

First knife upgrade 2 taps all shields with heavy swing

[patent thicket]

I'm improving.

I know this isn't exactly an impressive scorecard, but the fact that I'm able to kill other runners with some regularity now is encouraging!

[sand sluice]

Naw it's good! Feeling like you cant pvp going to actually winning a pvp fight at all is good

[patent thicket]

Turns out that a lot of Runners don't have an answer to "There is a Destroyer approaching at high speed with a knife."

[indigo oriole]

every step is a journey

[patent thicket]

Turns out that not a lot of people have an answer to a Destroyer pulling a knife and then boosting directly towards them.

I don't expect it to work every time, but it's funny that it works as often as it does.

[indigo oriole]

i will also add that if you throw smoke at people and do the dash-knife strat its Even Funnier

[patent thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/smokebomb-im-out-ready-to-fight-gif-15479694

[oak glacier]

https://youtu.be/f7xOfsvZirE

[sand sluice]

hilariously as I'm sitting in a corner of dire marsh waiting to see if the fog is going to go away I was just thinking about that lmao

[oak glacier]

i hope he does one for each map

apparently bungie gave him access to instances where it doesnt time out

[slate field]

That's awesome

[obsidian latch]

Kung Pow mentioned

[grave pebble]

i still don't actually have a good idea of what's in the Command Wing

[sand sluice]

purple and some blue enemies, lockbox at the end, and then I feel like one guaranteed purp valuable

went in with free kit, killed someone doing the dire marsh anomaly lockdown -> kill commander quest (ratted them), saw someone pick up the anomaly sample, ratted them on the way to their extract, then as I was extracting someone tried to stop me from extracting, they broke my shields and began rushing me so I popped their shields, knifed them to down them, had 3 seconds left on exfil so I knifed them again so they didn't get to extract

props to the assassin tho

they were the one with the cube and they 100% would have gotten me if they had a shotgun as they were able to quick stealth and I couldn't spot them as I was looking for them

I fully was going "if they have a shotgun I'm ripperoni on a reverb pizza" cause I did not have thermals lmao

[sand sluice]

dire marsh is so funny sometimes

you'll spawn in and you see two people fighting, and one wins, then you kill that person, then you get killed like a sacrificial death train to charter lmao

[cinder hare]

im on coevolution 4

wdym i need to run around the whole map and use one of my precious cardio kicks

[sand sluice]

do it for moth momma

you're her favorite little runner

[distant zinc]

https://youtu.be/wr6Q9J4Z8dQ?si=nLUJ3bl9J_nMmBiZ

[obsidian latch]

Will Recon ever get a break in her fucking life?

[cinder hare]

no.

[sand sluice]

yeah

she got vandal

wdym

me, "yeah I gotchu lion girl, I'll just go dire marsh with sponsored kit"

turns into a bloodbath

[distant zinc]

holy hell

[sand sluice]

the last guy I didn't even mean to kill

I killed someone who had the algae ponds office key

[cinder hare]

you're cracked.

[sand sluice]

so I went and was looting it, and the person with anomaly sprinted next to the office and I was like "huh wha" and I killed them and I was like "BRUH"

[sand sluice]

melee is an equalizer when they miss with the wstr

they had purple shields with bubble shield down I was like "well, I don't have a shotgun myself, but I do have 2 tap on melee" and they missed and I was like "guess they weren't running this marathon"

[cinder hare]

bruh lmao

im not that good at this game

[sand sluice]

to be fair solos is super swingy and the benefit of sponsored kit is "well I didnt bring anything anyways so fuck it we ball"

[distant zinc]

yeah free kits lowkey buff me

my mental is greatly improved because i have freedom to go absolute nuts

[sand sluice]

Welp I spawned next to maintenance and I just kinda was like "my sniper has the signal jammer as long as I ADS, let me kind of chill here for a bit"

and sure enough, 1 person hits the TAD ontop of the AI uplink buildings, I kill them, another person shows up, can't quite see them due to the fog but knock them, they self rez, meanwhile lockdown goes across the map and ends up in AI uplink, where the person I downed earlier kills the person doing the lockdown, then I finally kill the person I downed earlier so there's some reward in just sitting still and seeing what happens for like 3-5 minutes

as a heads up for the purple bounty hunter mod, I made about 1kish credits for killing 16 uesc with it

so taking it into cryo for the destroy 200 uesc contract you'll def make some money

[sand sluice]

I did not know that and that is v good to know

[distant zinc]

200??? surely durandal can’t be serious, is that in one run?

[tawdry sequoia]

defeat 200 and solve a vault in one run, yeah

had that one as well

considering a not very good cryo run got me to 40, it seems pretty doable

you have to keep fighting tons of them as you go

unrelated

[mossy bridge]

cryo archive contracts

[mossy bridge]

Honestly that's

not that many for cryo archive

you fight HORDES of UESC

The real bitch is the "find my favourite hatch and solve a vault" one

[tawdry sequoia]

I'll have to run outpost this week to get enough gear to even get familiar with cryo's layout

it was not intuitive

I do still think they should alternate ranked and cryo, one in the week, the other on the weekend

[gloomy quail]

I knew something felt familiar about assassin

[ivory laurel]

How long is Marathon maint?

[sand sluice]

3 hours looks like

[distant zinc]

do we have patch notes yet?

[neat nest]

No, last we they put out patch notes when maintenance ended though

[distant zinc]

word

[mossy bridge]

shockingly small patchnotes

[ivory laurel]

It's only a 4th column patch, is it not?

[placid oxide]

Guess they couldn’t figure out how to fix the slide boosting yet

[woeful tundra]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3065800/view/535504182211249709?l=english

[placid oxide]

The exfil ping bug being fixed is wonderful though!

[sand sluice]

These are good patchnotes

Feels like they're giving some time to gather feedback and what not before making bigger changes to Cryo and what not

[neat nest]

Yeah I wasn’t expecting big ones with a weekly cadence like this

I don’t think you should fuck with a complicated sandbox too much without at least a month of data

[mossy bridge]

true dat

was expecting some more bugfixes though

like the knife/toggle ADS bug or the selection pressures 5/5 bug

They put the motherfuckin cloak and dagger in this game???????????????????

this plus cardio kicks and heat capacity cores is just the fucking cloak and dagger

I hope the heat gain scales with time otherwise the above scenario will make this core crazy strong

[sand sluice]

Def curious to see ye

[mossy bridge]

how do we feel about the circuit breaker

competitive at all with the misriah? or just not worth it?

[wraith vector]

Never seen either v-v idk how folks get non-Wstrs

[mossy bridge]

outpost loot

or schemas

[neat nest]

Was top tier in the playtests, doesn’t seem as respected now and I’m not sure why

[mossy bridge]

had people in the marathon disc tell me it's good with it's prestige mod but otherwise average

[sand sluice]

Having seen streamers use it + having used it myself and have seen it used against me

The main benefit I've seen is a tighter spread at further range so it outranges both the mistral and wstr (from what I could tell, maybe I'm wrong)

But it only outranges base for like 5-10m tops?

[neat nest]

Pros:

• insanely high (top 1) meatshot damage when charged
• overheats people a lot
• fights out to SMG range fine
• warden deleter 9000
  Cons:
• 15,000 dollarydoos and rare as hell
• weak(er) without prefiring
• WSTR kills just fine and doesn’t cost as much

[sand sluice]

Interesting, can it 1 shot people?

I assume so based on FP + charge

[neat nest]

Can 1 shot white and green shields

[sand sluice]

That's good to know

[neat nest]

Blues I think keep a sliver

So it can kill blues who are chipped

[sand sluice]

So sounds like it's more just an exp shotgun for better overall usage but overall usage isn't for most people with the 15k price tag/rarity when wstr is sometimes free from daily arachne

Well

[neat nest]

That’s my feeling yeah

[mossy bridge]

i'll keep it then

[sand sluice]

To be fair, overheat is def very strong but if you're cqc anyways

[neat nest]

I’ll also note that afaik the only weapon which can 1 shot blues is the Zeus

[sand sluice]

I really need to try out the Zeus again at some point

But sniper rifles so common

[mossy bridge]

i tried it once

it's like

the perfect alpha strike on unawares

but in combat i hope you're good at tracking

and aren't the focus

[sand sluice]

I will say

Circuit breaker for cryo is def not a bad idea given it can alleviate entry cost and let you take cheaper stuff elsewise and have it carry you to a blue shield or something

[tawdry sequoia]

how's circuit breaker measure against the misraiah?

[oak glacier]

we got one as the final item in a lockdown

[sand sluice]

Mistral IIRC is primarily a wstr but 6 shots

[neat nest]

Also shoots a lot further

[sand sluice]

Maybe some slightly better stats but would need to double check

[tawdry sequoia]

I assume the faster cycling time on it is better in brawls

[sand sluice]

Oh for sure ye

[neat nest]

Basically a wstr which trades fire rate for improved everything else except damage

[sand sluice]

6 shots means team wipe as long as you land your shots

[neat nest]

I think it might be 4 base

But who is running a grey misriah lol

[sand sluice]

I thought it was 6 but you could def be right cause I don't believe I've seen a gray misriah

Oh also

Misriah can get the slug mod

[neat nest]

I got a basically grey one from an arms locker on Outpost in the MCTT but idk if they changed it

[sand sluice]

The other shotguns can't IIRC

Wait no

[mossy bridge]

i cant believe i got this done first try

The one kill I got was a free kit andy who i deleted with a fully charged shot at point blank in the vents

why did he chase? is he stupid?

regarding ONI

[sand sluice]

Free kit = 0 risk of losing anything
Which means if they kill you, they take your sweet loot and also remove you from the map, making it safer for them

[mossy bridge]

there's beef... there's AI girl beef...

Girl.

Is You For Real

[sand sluice]

And as a heads up

It's a normal cardio kick

Depleted doesn't count

[mossy bridge]

yeah

[neat nest]

Haha wouldn’t it be funny if you took drugs and died in a ditch a bunch of times… just kidding… unless

[mossy bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-silly-cat-funny-are-you-serious-gif-10542941678973176099

[neat nest]

I love Nona missions

[sand sluice]

5th one is funnier cause I've started killing people who try to do it when I'm nearby

"Lockdown in anomaly you say? Could it be...a runner doing co-evolution 5/5 because that's the only time it spawns there?"

[mossy bridge]

oh god really

[sand sluice]

IIRC ye

Is very silly

[wraith vector]

Reverb remains a marathon criminal

[neat nest]

I used to listen for the alarm for welcome to Tau Ceti 2

And rush the relays

[mossy bridge]

oh god

ai uplink

quarantine

then anomaly lockdown, kill a commander, and THEN exfil

[sand sluice]

To be fair I'm not intentionally doing it usually, just the traxus rotating contracts keep sending me to ai uplink for the filaments lmao

[neat nest]

I wish to stop visiting Quarantine Nona

[mossy bridge]

at least after this there's no more damned sekiguchi priority contracts

[neat nest]

Tis a silly POI

[mossy bridge]

it's not going to quarantine that's my problem

[sand sluice]

Yeah I think after that it's uhh

[mossy bridge]

it's going to quarantine from fucking bio-research

[sand sluice]

The mida 5/5 outpost one

[mossy bridge]

how fitting that steel ball run comes out this month because it feels like im doing a damn trek across the cotunry

[sand sluice]

Cause woooof gotta get into command wing and hold off waves of enemies for 3 min but thankfully no need to exfil

[neat nest]

Ah yeah

[mossy bridge]

SO MANY contracts need you to do that exact thing

[neat nest]

“Do I go through Greenhouses/Ponds and Intersection with guaranteed heat?”

“Or spend 6-8 minutes skulking through the swamps”

[sand sluice]

I like to w key through intersection cause less likely to get shot by sniper rifles

[mossy bridge]

go to bio research with a sparkleaf
go to bio research and find a thing that summons reinforcements
go to bio research with a chitin sample
then go to quarantine and synthesise a thing and either gtfo once it's done kill a bitch or kill a huge wave of UESC and then gtfo

that's parasitism, selection pressures and co-evolution respectively

both sekiguchi contracts and the second wave of nucal contracts

[sand sluice]

My advice if you can stomach it is to wait about 3-5 minutes then w key as fast as you can

[mossy bridge]

i mean im doing uh

co evolution 4/5 rn

[sand sluice]

If you can hide and live the 3-5 minutes half the lobby gets wiped it feels like

[mossy bridge]

Oh. And. Guess Where I Need To Go For This Quest.

bio research
to
quarantine

and then... region markers?

[sand sluice]

So as a heads up

You have to go to all of the POIs on the map minus complex I believe

[mossy bridge]

dude

[sand sluice]

Also it'll randomly overheat you

[mossy bridge]

And THEN EXFIL

[sand sluice]

Ye

[mossy bridge]

this is worse than some jaeger quests

[sand sluice]

It's unhinged I love it lmao

[mossy bridge]

whatever if i lose this kit im just gonna go in with a punch and a cardio kick

[sand sluice]

My advice is to watch a guide so you know where those points are just incase the markers don't pop up

[mossy bridge]

wait it's

specific spots

oh my god

[sand sluice]

Kinda sorta but not really

[mossy bridge]

it's not just show your face in maintenance and such for a few seconds and then leave?

[sand sluice]

It's ontop of buildings IIRC

[neat nest]

I have a pretty good and safe swamp route but the problem is the lake between AI uplink and maintenance

[sand sluice]

I missed one cause I got confused where the ai uplink one was and thought it was gonna be complex before I circled back around and spotted it

[sand sluice]

I go to top of uplink and wait a good 30 seconds before dropping down and W-keying it, if I hear any gunshots then I chill and sus it out

[neat nest]

That’s not a bad method

I sometimes do the same in the secret bio-research basement

[sand sluice]

It's saved me so many times

Secret bio research basement is based

[neat nest]

I feel like no one uses it but it’s actually so good for traversing that POI?

[sand sluice]

Depending on my spawn I'll w key to bio research or if I'm on complex I'll sit back from complex side and listen to gunshots

[sand sluice]

Well to be fair, thiefs, vandals, and assassins can traverse decently safe due to their kits providing rapid mobility or stealth, destroyer has tac sprint + shield so a lot of people prob feel safe in moving across it

[neat nest]

It’s not just safety it avoids UESC and those fuckin plants and has access to every building

[sand sluice]

Ah true

I know for me I just melee the uesc there cause I don't see purples spawn in on raid start too often

[mossy bridge]

awesome i got fucking snuck up on by a triage when iw as on the roof of quarantine

this quest is gonna be a nightmare

[sand sluice]

It happens ye

I will say that like

This is def gonna be one of those quests that can really cause some tilt so if you start to feel frustrated def take a small walk and take some sips of water

Best thing is to give your mind a bit of space and rest to reset so you can try again without just feeding into the tilt more

I've def had to do that a few times on some quests

[neat nest]

I fuckin died to a ghost commander jumpscare trying to do one of the seki ones solo

I just stopped playing after that augh

In retrospect it was EXTREMELY funny

I was trying to shoot a recruit and hit the invisible and not aggressive or moving ghost commander in front of it

And then panicked cause it wouldn’t die

Orion cooked my ass

This was after killing 4 runners to get there

It was going so well

[sand sluice]

Lmao yeah the ghost commanders can really give some scares

I've died to them because I thought there was 1 and turns out there were 2 and they just put me in a headlock

[mossy bridge]

Killed one guy
Two people exfilled
Half the map was dead (like four corpses either in or around intersection)
Last guy? Sitting on his ass in maintenance with a br33 and killed me once i had the simbiont

[neat nest]

Hmm maybe not this one on second thought (deleted meme I posted)

[mossy bridge]

May run assassin just for this contract ngl

But thief lets me get onto the roofs easier

[placid oxide]

<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone for a few runs? Doing Parasitism 2 so just need to extract with crafting mats

[cinder hare]

Gahhhhh wanna do this together later

[late geyser]

i wanna run cryooo let mee iiiiiinnnn

my stack only forms on weekdays...

[mossy bridge]

finished the contract
the second i go to exfil
some fucking assassin appears OUT OF NOWHERE AND KILLS ME

I WAS IN THE ZONE

[sand sluice]

Best you can do is to W key in circles in the exfil and hope no one is able to laser you

Usually what happens to me is they start firing but can't kill me quick enough so they down me with like 5ish seconds to spare and miss enough shots I can extract

[placid oxide]

Joined in with a free kit and the other two had a key. Proceded to loot that and wipe the lobby while taking another key.

[mossy bridge]

im not doing this quest anymore today

what were they thinking dude having half the quests be "go to bio research with a thing/for a thing then get a thing and then go to quarantine and then exfil either after killing fitty men or running a half decathlon around the entire map"

I really really hope for season 2 they look at the quests and redo them

because a lot of these are not fun

[late geyser]

i need a cigarette
I just fuckin' took out a 3 man as rook with a knife.

[placid oxide]

Do the ammo backpacks always look like they have a smiley face on them to anyone else?

[late geyser]

somewhat

[cinder hare]

yeah its just a painful quest to do imo

ik seki is supposed to be more painful but it's just too much dire marsh

[patent thicket]

I haven’t touched Dire Marsh yet.

[sand sluice]

Hrm

I wonder why they're doing it for specific maps

Maybe they have data on where the majority of the playerbase is at in terms of quests?

Regardless, good to see they're still experimenting

[neat nest]

I think they know that

My guess is they’re worried about duoes combat dynamics being weird on some maps?

[sand sluice]

Maybe ye

Dire marsh is def drastically different compared to the other two

[chilly pebble]

they're probably also getting clean data from one map at a time to also work out how many teams should be on each

and limiting it to one map at a time means much faster data

[sand sluice]

Makes sense ye

[late geyser]

i mean i get that but

i want my toys NOW 😛

[warm sage]

get to hauler
hear a vandal in hauler with me
stalk them with my drone for 5 minutes
RUN ALL THE WAY AROUND DATA WALL TO FLANK THEM
they're stuck in the pilots room
"Hey bud you need some help getting out of there? (They we're getting ransacked by UESC)
he nods YES
walk in to Hauler
he opens the door
blow head off with WSTR

[twin rain]

That's so sick tbh (regardless of who got their head blown off)

[mossy bridge]

Do we have concrete numbers anywhere on how many players spawn in per map? I really wanna know how many people id see on dire marsh when solo

I know cryo is six teams

[neat nest]

5 teams on Perimeter
6 teams on Marsh
4 teams on Outpost

Unsure of solo or duo numbers

[cinder hare]

Cryo I believe is 6

[chilly pebble]

Why are the only times I actually get decent loot, rook runs

[neat nest]

Yeah I don’t fuckin get it that stuff is just lying around and people don’t grab it?

[chilly pebble]

When I play trios we get loot sure, but then the trio of purple power rangers appear out of thin air before we exfil

[neat nest]

Purple power rangers is sending me

[chilly pebble]

Funnily enough though, a lot of the more expensive loot here was on another rook, how kind of him

gave him the usual arachne greeting

I need so many fucking storage drives it's insane

[neat nest]

Perimeter RAM shortage situation is crazy

[chilly pebble]

Yeah it says it's in south relay in perimeter but that's a fuckin' lie

I find more of them just popping the silly straw drones

[neat nest]

They also show up in core storages and I think flight control and overflow usually have those?

[cinder hare]

I wanna run my V85… my V99…

[neat nest]

Flight control is a miserable POI to rook though lol

[chilly pebble]

yeah

[cinder hare]

But it’s so fucking expensive to run

[cinder hare]

I keep running in there and going up and hoping I can win the 1v3 up there

[chilly pebble]

and hell to make it even funnier

there's more core storage spawns in overflow than south relay

[cinder hare]

I need to grind the fuck out of Arachne for the WSTR

[chilly pebble]

same

keep missing out on arachne xp by stabbing them rather than finishing them

[cinder hare]

I wanna get the +1 million limit upgrade for 50k only so I can get blue backpack rook

I need 1 more upgrade which means EVEN MORE GEL

[chilly pebble]

gel's easy to get, just go rook and run dire bioresearch

People killing just for killing on the final extract are the worst people

[cinder hare]

Bio research

[cinder hare]

Achievements and Arachne EXP

:3

[chilly pebble]

arachne xp is only for finishers

isn't it

[cinder hare]

Nah it’s just a massive amount more for finishing

That’s why you always shoot on sight in an exfil

And don’t enter until the last second

[twin rain]

yeah you'll get arachne xp even for downing a runner

[chilly pebble]

I didn't go towards it until it was at like 10 sec

[neat nest]

You need a headshot for arachne xp but yeah

[cinder hare]

I don’t know anything about Charter but I like him

He seems nice

Just a murder machine and not much else

Would be so fucking funny if his priority quests included “sabotage runners in maintenance”

[neat nest]

He used to just be a guy

Well I guess he still is he’s just got extra arms?

[chilly pebble]

I mean what says a shell can't have more than two arms

[patent thicket]

woerm

[chilly pebble]

Charter pays me in woims

[chilly pebble]

it's really painful that basically every single other rook I run into as a rook is one with wster unlocked

[neat nest]

They move fucking fast wow

[twin rain]

that's pretty nice.

[cosmic flame]

crying tears of joy from my abusive relationship with destiny management

[chilly pebble]

jesus I made the right choice extracting early with that other rook, pinwheel was a massacre of like 3 of the 4 fully geared teams going at it

[neat nest]

It seems like night and day between Marton and Destiny right now

[warm sage]

it wasnt mine :)

[neat nest]

Destiny: oops we launched the wrong event today mb lol

Marathon: we hear you 80 like tweet, pushing a fix now

(Both of these literally happened in the last day or two)

[cinder hare]

They’re amazing

I do hope we get scope mounts someday

[pale flare]

I keep waiting for the return of Dead Silence, but maybe with the game so scaled down by comparison they can iterate so much faster

[neat nest]

I think that’s a lot of it

[pale flare]

either that or the company's continued existence really is depending on marathon doing well right now, she said pessimistically

[neat nest]

Marathon is a lot smaller than Destiny

[twin rain]

also not having to worry about 12 gamemodes and earlier-this-year's content

[wintry shuttle]

I see Marathon as a clean slate

D2, sadly, is too big and too burdened by technical debt.

[pale flare]

...almost literally 1/7th the size

[cosmic flame]

THE NUMBER

[twin rain]

aw dangit they did it again

[final onyx]

yeah d2 got unfocused by virtue of being a mass of over 10 years of gamedev that is missing a large chunk of itself etc etc

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah

Though, I hope Bungie's next game isn't a shooter.

Like they got that juice

Especially the lore department

[final onyx]

i think they will lean toward smaller and more varied projects in the future if marathon does well

[cosmic flame]

bungie make a game about a young witch finding her cat in the alps and my life is yours

[final onyx]

bungie gamefeel applied to breaking mundane objects

[neat nest]

Bungie hasn’t made a non-shooter since 2001

[cosmic flame]

out of respect for what happened on 9/11

[sharp plover]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Oni_Coverart.jpg

the actual rights for Oni are with Take-Two, unless they sold them, but that obviously didnt stop bungie from reusing the name repeatedly

[cosmic flame]

turn that O upside down and what do you see

[wintry shuttle]

Qni?

[twin rain]

(it's a funny marathon logo)

[neat nest]

Marathonni

[sharp plover]

bungie loves their round symbols

see also the Seventh Column

(i have previously noted the resemblance of MIDA's logo to this)

[cinder hare]

@warm sage @chilly pebble idk if you two are up but I’m saving a greenhouse lab key for you two

[chilly pebble]

sure

[neat nest]

Good luck yall

[placid oxide]

<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone down for general contract runs?

[neat nest]

Sure

[twin rain]

ya

[placid oxide]

launching now, got a channel going

[patent thicket]

In a better world, Bungie still has the Halo IP even if they’re doing nothing with it…

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-vegeta-rain-vegeta-sad-dbz-dragon-ball-z-gif-2167897810151461845

[cinder hare]

Just gotta wait for Naz

[patent thicket]

I am enjoying Marathon, though. It’s nice to see that Bungie still has their worldbuilding knack.

I have a question, though. I can’t remember if this was answered or not, but how did the Runners get to Tau Ceti IV and where are we operating from?

[neat nest]

There are corporate ships which chased the UESC one and the runners were probably transmitted in via FTL comms

[patent thicket]

Ah, I see. Makes sense with the Runners being digital.

So new shells must be woven on one of those ships.

[neat nest]

I believe so

[patent thicket]

I admit that like 2/3rds of my interest in this game is fascination with the world it presents us with.

[wintry shuttle]

It would be cool if for a side project

they decide to do the exact same thing again with Marathon.

but a solo turn based tactics game.

And we have like a either a hauler-lite mobile base or a small ship orbiting Tau.

[patent thicket]

Hm.

[cinder hare]

ive been liking the thought of a remake of the og 3 games

[patent thicket]

That would probably be more my speed.

[cinder hare]

I keep meeting purple shields when I’m on a perimeter free kit

Bruh now a gold shield team

Why are my perimeter runs so hardcore now

I’m not even joking I’ve met two full purple teams with snipers and shit

[chilly pebble]

It feels like there's not enough of a gear sink

[neat nest]

I've run into that too idk why

[chilly pebble]

Because you can eventually just buy them, and it's safe enough that you'll make that money back easy

[cinder hare]

got 5 of these shits

hehe

[distant zinc]

i fucking love distance runner

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> need help w/ the mida chem nade AI uplink quest

(i dont have chem nade upgrade)

[neat nest]

our 3 logos look kind of like a face

[twin rain]

👁️👄👁️

[cinder hare]

got carried so hard on seki 4/5

they werent kidding about the gold core...

<@&1474420814979010821> last ping for today but if anyone can i wanna do this quest

[sand sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0q3RJ-N7tw

Posting direct link to video instead

[mossy bridge]

This is why Nona needs runners to steal rook heads

Extra computational power

[grave pebble]

<@&1474420814979010821> anyone for some dire marsh runs? have some more quests in there

[sand sluice]

Figured out why I kept getting struggles with keys on dire marsh

Apparently you can hear them from super far away

Makes sense too cause I was confused the other day when I heard a key room open sound going into complex, I thought it was complex but found all the rooms locked

Good to keep in mind when planning out locked room runs

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[sand sluice]

Oh found their Linktree

https://linktr.ee/jessiandroid

[patent thicket]

Can…. can shells drink the burger???

[neat nest]

They’ve got mouths and such

I’m not actually sure if they have digestive systems but they do have lungs

[patent thicket]

Is that why Destroyer has only his mouth exposed?

Dedicated burger hole in helmet.

[neat nest]

Would explain it

[mossy bridge]

the same way a CPR mannequin could im sure

[mossy bridge]

no that's for aura farming

also because the locus line of shells is inspired by the security officer

i need this but it's destroyer on the left and mjolnir recon no. 54 on the right

[patent thicket]

Yes, I was just making a dumb joke about a burger.

[neat nest]

I realize this is like very obvious but

It’s crazy how much easier Marathon team fights are with good guns

[sand sluice]

There's a certain amount of skill but certain guns def outperform others ye

Like mid range I prefer mgs/bully/overrun but longer range obviously prefer v66, stryder, m77

And of course power weapons exist

I also need to get more experience so I can pick out gunshots more easily

[neat nest]

For me it’s the longshot haha

Just click a head and either they die or feel a sudden extreme urge to fuck off

[sand sluice]

Ye,
This me on dire marsh if they ever add snow fr fr

[patent thicket]

I hate getting the Traxus free kit. I don’t like the Hardline at all.

But also my comfort zone is close range, so.

[neat nest]

A grey hardline also just kinda sucks

[tawdry sequoia]

I would love to talk to someone who likes the Traxus spon kit

just to prove alien life exists

[neat nest]

Some of the other weapons in sponkits work a lot better gray

[sand sluice]

I like the traxus sponsored kit. I just happen to like every other sponsored kit more

I think it's biggest offense is having like 60 rounds of heavy ammo in it

[twin rain]

in D2, the weapon archetype (scout rifle) is either a wet noodle or extremely oppressive, it's probably a tricky thing to get right. But it's also a map design thing and knowing where your range band is most effective (and if your targets are even there)

[placid oxide]

Bully is just a great gun off the jump compared to most of its free kit counterparts. Things get closer as you upgrade them all but baseline it is a huge difference

[tawdry sequoia]

honestly, the only other one I don't enjoy is the arachne kit

just feels weird to have an lmg only

[patent thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-lethal-company-gun-go-do-a-crime-gif-16969631310934063949

The corpos are out here like this.

Assert: You have a gun.
Assert: You can do a crime.

[indigo oriole]

I like my upgrades hardline

But not my free ones

[neat nest]

Yeah it’s perfectly adequate with mods

Hell just a scope is enough

[indigo oriole]

otherwise i see the traxus kit as my "practice with my knife" kit

[late geyser]

i've been doing some OSP runs

just running with nothing and seeing what shakes out

oddly fun

[cinder hare]

I do think it kinda needs a scope

[placid oxide]

Hardline with an acog scope is useable, the iron sights it defaults with though just doesn’t gel with my eyes

[sand sluice]

I want a mosin equivalent

But I get why it doesn't exist lol

[neat nest]

What’s characteristic of the mosin?

[sand sluice]

Single shot bolt action, slow reloads, high damage, usually one tap kills on headshots.

Would fill a spot alongside the repeater and Longshot being bolt action, usually it would get ironsights over an optic

[neat nest]

Honestly sounds kind of like a railgun but cheap?

Midrange, awkward to use, very high damage potential

[sand sluice]

Yeah probably, biggest difference would be theoretically worse reload

[patent thicket]

I kind of like the V22.

[cinder hare]

i feel like the repeater, if buffed, could kinda fill that role

it's a lever action single shot slow reload high damage gun

[mossy bridge]

snarsh...

[neat nest]

I’d love a mountainous snow Tau Ceti map

[mossy bridge]

the security report valuables you can get from outpost (the ones that detail the steps of rampancy) have a note for the fourth one that says that there's either 4 total outposts (outpost the current map plus 1) or 2 other outposts (outpost plus two others)

you can see undeployed outposts on the marathon exterior

[placid oxide]

Snowy mountain pass with building built into the side as a military base sounds peak tbh

[mossy bridge]

raven rock/cheyenne mountain run

[sharp plover]

Cryopost

[neat nest]

I love that little detail

[mossy bridge]

my fucking god the knife fucking sucks when i use it

why is it that:

• i break their shield
• they immediately proceed to instant kill me

every single time i get into a knife fight unless i have the drop on them

[sand sluice]

Wdym instant kill

Also do you have the first knife upgrade?

LIGHT: 30+MOD
HEAVY: (30+MOD) x 2

Carmen posted this earlier and it seems accurate to me

With health being 120 base and shields being 20 per shields, that means without the first knife upgrade you require 3 heavy hits for any shield

[cinder hare]

I got that from a YT vid iirc

Fyi the average mod is about 15

[sand sluice]

I ignore mods due to basing it around sponsored kit primarily

Actual builds + upgrades you can prob 1 tap with a heavy at a certain point

[cinder hare]

Mod in the sense of stuff like shell modifier, etc

[sand sluice]

Ah

[cinder hare]

Which makes base melee 45 damage

[sand sluice]

Is any shell mod negative? I can't remember off the top if my head

[cinder hare]

90 heavy

No

[sand sluice]

Gotcha in that case then heavy melee 2 taps up to blue shields base

[cinder hare]

Yeah

[sand sluice]

But uhh

Wrt to melee use

[cinder hare]

I think it’s 40 for Thief and Recon, 80 heavy

I think

[sand sluice]

If enemy is already shooting you before first melee they usually will get you unless it's a slow firing gun

[cinder hare]

I believe Vandal has the lowest?

[neat nest]

3 of them are 5, Destroyer is 15, Assassin and Thief are 10 iirc

Vandal Triage and Recon all have 5

[cinder hare]

ok wait yeah'

[sand sluice]

Gotcha

[cinder hare]

rook is 0

[neat nest]

I believe with first melee upgrade and any knife fight implant 2 heavies down anyone

[sand sluice]

First melee upgrade brings it up to 50 without mod

[cinder hare]

im going to run doomsday assassin at some point

[sand sluice]

So 2 heavy downs all shields off first upgrade

Since first knife upgrade is +20 melee

[neat nest]

Oh is that it? Wow

[sand sluice]

Yeh

[cinder hare]

which is uhm, 30+20+50+15+10 for 125 light melee

and then the assassin melee mod to hit the invis in cryo and onetap everyone

and pocket WSTR obvs

[mossy bridge]

i do

[cinder hare]

yeah hardstrike 3 giving +60 total is WILD

[sand sluice]

Yup, brings it from 30 base to 90 base

[mossy bridge]

i would not be surprised if it goes down to like

45

or 30 even

[neat nest]

Is that possible? Stats are capped

[cinder hare]

i think stat cap is half untrue

[neat nest]

Afaik they are hard caps

[cinder hare]

imagine having 90+50 DMG from a blue knife fight

huh

[mossy bridge]

first melee upgrade and im thief

[neat nest]

Hard Strike basically means you never need Knife Fight in your build aiui

[mossy bridge]

vs an assassin

i had a knife fight core too

[sand sluice]

Only thing is hardstrike 3 requires gold salvage which I've yet to see in game outside of cryo

[mossy bridge]

is there goddamn shield gating???

[sand sluice]

Nah it's uhh

Each shield is 20 hp
Base health is 120 hp based on what Carmen said earlier

[cinder hare]

iiiiiiiii thinkkkkkkkkkkkk some mods work differently

like myramydon is worse for melee cuz it's +base dmg

but +mod ignores the base max i think?

[neat nest]

Stuff like Crouching Tiger which isn’t a stat bonus doesn’t cap

[mossy bridge]

I need to just stop getting into melee fights

[sand sluice]

Point is tho is to assume in most situations, 2 tap heavy requires for downing

[mossy bridge]

i always lose

it's like mordhau

all over again

[sand sluice]

Yeah you really gotta play it around corners

[mossy bridge]

this was the open bit of water by complex

that leads to bio research

[sand sluice]

Oof yeah no good

Waaay too open

[mossy bridge]

i mean he was just

running at me

with a knife

spamming smokes

[sand sluice]

Oh if it's knife v knife, first knife wins

[mossy bridge]

but i got the first knife

[cinder hare]

You can run too

[mossy bridge]

maybe that was it

[sand sluice]

And neither shields were cracked?

[mossy bridge]

his wasnt

wait no mine was

[sand sluice]

Then yeah if he has 2nd knife upgrade you're dead on first hit from him

[mossy bridge]

:/

i gotta get my arachne up then

[sand sluice]

Actually with 2nd knife upgrade you can one tap gray shield

[mossy bridge]

i can do that anywho

wait

you mean from shields?

[sand sluice]

Yes unless shield blocks it some how

[mossy bridge]

Man.

[sand sluice]

Base melee is 30, every arachne knife upgrade is +20

[mossy bridge]

I know it's a bungo game so the melee will be insane but damn maybe this is a bit much

[sand sluice]

So 2nd upgrade is 70 melee, heavy melee is 2xmelee so 2x70 is 140

Which assuming shield math is right, 120 base hp + 20 shield hp but there's probably some health modifiers as well I would imagine

[cinder hare]

It’s pretty fair imo

[mossy bridge]

i've had one (1) day with the arachne free kit

yet this piece of shit seems to keep gracing me so often

I love Gun That Doesn't Do Anything If It's Not A Headshot

[neat nest]

I wouldn’t be shocked if they tuned down the arachne upgrade

I think the melee ecosystem is in an ok spot except for how strong it is

[sand sluice]

Flowchart for upgrades some people like

[mossy bridge]

wow this is vomitous
is this what ranked sweats have already made?

im glad i'm never touching ranked then

[sand sluice]

So....

To be clear

This is typical extraction shooter focus mapping

[neat nest]

It’s kinda ugly as a picture but it’s just an upgrade priority thing

[cinder hare]

yeah this is a basic priority thing

it's just a good idea to follow since it's good stuff all around

[cinder hare]

imo the auto-aim is too strong

[sand sluice]

Yeah like, the picture is ugly cause someone scrapped it together

[neat nest]

I think the loot speed should be on it but it’s cheap anyway otherwise I mostly agree

[cinder hare]

turn it down a good bit

[sand sluice]

But given Marathon is featuring forced wipes, most people will naturally decide what upgrades they want to prioritize for wipes if they continue to play

[cinder hare]

also you only need a cred limit of maybe 50k for like 90% of players

[mossy bridge]

i hope the second wipe isnt people who eat sleep and breathe gaming getting wstrs and longshots on day 2

[sand sluice]

You hurt me right in the kokoro

[neat nest]

The credit limit upgrades are pretty cheap anyway

[mossy bridge]

im not doing dire marsh with crouch sliding assassins using sniper rifles and wstrs

[neat nest]

They just need credits no exotic materials

[cinder hare]

50k for the final +1 million is a lot of money

sniper nerf will probably happen

[mossy bridge]

i would be remiss if anyone's even broken the 1 milly mark

[cinder hare]

most likely a longshot nerf

Shroud probably has like 2 million creds lol

[sand sluice]

I'm like halfway having not prioritized it at all

[mossy bridge]

you go through money like you go through ammo when using the overrun

Quickly.

[neat nest]

I’ve seen streamer vaults which are crazy but it’s like top .1% playtime players

[sand sluice]

All coordinated teams have 1 mil+ by end of week 1

[neat nest]

That is not true lol

[sand sluice]

But that's because coordinated teams represent such a small number of players

[mossy bridge]

i feel useless in comparison to most players man

[neat nest]

Those ones are not most players

[sand sluice]

Really? Every streamer I've looked at is sitting around 1 mil

[cinder hare]

my vault value is 100k rn

[sand sluice]

Yeah exactly

[mossy bridge]

not even that im almost always the bottom fragger and the first to go down in fights

[cinder hare]

i burnt through 50k playing w/o a team

[neat nest]

That is not “all coordinated teams” at alllll

[sand sluice]

Most players are like 200k credits at most I imagine

[cinder hare]

100k id argue is closer

[mossy bridge]

my use is "HEY GUYS THEY'RE OVER THERE! WHY DO YOU KNOW THAT? BECAUSE THEY JUST KILLED ME!"

which isnt very useful in solos

[cinder hare]

based on my chats i think im already on the upper side of the median

[neat nest]

I think I’m at about 100k at combined vault+bank

[cinder hare]

my total value is 300k

[neat nest]

Probably more now since I started hoarding weapons some

[sand sluice]

Huh?
Are they not?
Where are they at rn? There's no way they're below me

[mossy bridge]

blue shield for a neurochem pack i dont think i will gaius my good friend

[cinder hare]

Reverb you're on the upper side of the game PvP-wise

[neat nest]

You seem to have like no sense of scale here

[cinder hare]

Neurochems are pretty damn common if you raid pinwheel

[mossy bridge]

you want HOW MANY biolens seeds

[neat nest]

That’s a really good trade imo

[cinder hare]

if you get keys biolens do get fairly accessible

[sand sluice]

I'm thinking like mmo teams, is that not what most teams are?

[mossy bridge]

i dont

and

i dont

i dont loot pinwheel because im lucky to leave flight control or orientation alive

[neat nest]

Blue Neurochems are relatively easy to collect with outpost rook runs since a bunch spawn in pinwheel and runner crews often prioritize other goodies

But rooking pinwheel always means some chance of absurd failure haha

[cinder hare]

flight control is the hottest spot in Outpost

[mossy bridge]

and i dont get keys because i've seen four total, didnt get to use one, and the one i did use i got sniped at exfil five seconds before i left

[cinder hare]

Orientation is kinda quiet now since destroyed is gone

[mossy bridge]

right now i have complex shed and greenhouse lab

[ivory laurel]

I am like 40/60 on exfil/deaths and am at ~140k creds combined atm

[sand sluice]

To be real I barely get to use keys I get, I think I've maybe successfully gotten loot from 3 of the like 9 I've used

[mossy bridge]

i got a ponds key

dont remember what it was

and i got the terrace by the hauler key

the pink bit

[wraith vector]

I haven't gotten a single non-lockbox key

[mossy bridge]

that one was quite nice there was good shit in there

[cinder hare]

ive gotten 2 of them in total

[mossy bridge]

channel rifle and a circuit breaker

[cinder hare]

blue keys are soooooo gooood

[wraith vector]

this is why Rook is the best, you use other peoples keys and take their things

[neat nest]

The keys are tricky to get

[mossy bridge]

i've had so many lockbox keys lmao

[neat nest]

I think the more reliable source for them is wardens?

[mossy bridge]

I've got two haz keys just sitting there

[wraith vector]

Thief and Lockboxes are best friends, it feels so good

[ivory laurel]

I have a key template and 2 hazard keys lying around

[mossy bridge]

wardens and commanders seem to be the main source

as for lockbox keys?

supply drones

[neat nest]

Or the key printer but that’s a slow conversion rate

[mossy bridge]

i've never seen a supply drone crate without one

[wraith vector]

I think that has to be where I get mine, no supply drones may be allowed to live

[neat nest]

Haz keys seem so bad

[mossy bridge]

speaking of non enemy loot:
why can turret loot be so juiced sometimes

[wraith vector]

not when Traxus Rep is on the line

[neat nest]

Maybe I’m missing something

[wraith vector]

Haz Keys should last 2x longer

[mossy bridge]

altered wires, obedience matrices, lead, cetinite and deimosite rods

[wraith vector]

and even then the rooms are just kind of.. rooms

[neat nest]

Yeah it’s weirdly good

[neat nest]

Or just like

[mossy bridge]

i say lead because i know your greedy ass goes through nine million heavy rounds a run

[neat nest]

Appear way more often

You can just do haz rooms with 2 mechanics kits basically free

[wraith vector]

and maybe ping the thing you need to interact with 'em

[mossy bridge]

i think haz keys should be far more common too

they're like

fucking unobtanium, man

them and misriahs

i aint seen a single damn misriah

[wraith vector]

mechanics kits are the glue holding pve obstacles together

[neat nest]

Actually that would be good

[mossy bridge]

true

also yknow what else bugs me

[neat nest]

If they made tox rooms appear for you

[neat nest]

I got 1 from the key room in greenhouse and that’s it haha

[mossy bridge]

HEAT grenades
HEAT cascade
HEAT damage inflicting drones
volt cell weapons (channel rifle, circuit breaker) inflict HEAT when you damage people

[neat nest]

It’s vaultparked for a bit though

[mossy bridge]

you know what it doesnt pair with???

thermals

the things that detect heat

[neat nest]

Yeah it’s weird

[mossy bridge]

heat grenades should act like smoke for thermals

heat cascade should make them wholly unusable

[cinder hare]

i want heat nades/cascade/volt weapons to fuck with thermals

[neat nest]

Would be interesting if you could white out thermals with heat grenades or something

[mossy bridge]

yeah

like how incendiary weapons do in real life, or how bright lights make NVGs useless

[wraith vector]

let Destroyer get so piping hot it obscures allies

[mossy bridge]

oh speaking of
do you think we'll get NV scopes and things for night marsh

[neat nest]

I don’t know but I don’t really expect it

[mossy bridge]

also i wish we would get another map other than night marsh

...unless night marsh is drastically different in some way

[wraith vector]

Flashbanging people on BF2 night maps, oh, cherished memorie

[neat nest]

I am guessing night marsh is sort of a bumper crop before another actual zone

And or/testing for night variants for other maps

[placid oxide]

That's my guess as well

[mossy bridge]

actually night marsh has potential to be

[neat nest]

we need Night Cryo I wanna suffer

[mossy bridge]

interesting

[placid oxide]

I know the larger community is hype about the top of part of complex opening

[cinder hare]

VANDAL BUFF:
HEAT SINK
Take off shoes to reveal HEAT SINK
Heat SINK causes constant TOX damage and HEAT damage
Heat SINK BLURS thermals

[neat nest]

Yeah I’m curious if it’ll play up the mimics

[mossy bridge]

Thank God, it's you!

[neat nest]

The Anomaly has been a big part of the lore

[sand sluice]

Honestly if you're doing solos it's kinda hard for me to recommend good advice on dire marsh.

For perimeter it's safer and on outpost there's less people where you can extract using guarded exfil for bot safety

[mossy bridge]

im more interested in this (colony security reports 4)

[sand sluice]

I think on dire marsh a good safe strat is to hide for 3-5 minutes before trying to do anything

[mossy bridge]

i want to see other outposts

[sand sluice]

Like do what Cyan said and use the basement if you're at bio-research

[mossy bridge]

i want to see what a non-destroyed destroyed wing would be

[cinder hare]

dire is hell

[placid oxide]

It can be wicked fun

[neat nest]

I imagine it’ll be a while but I want a Jjaro Ruins map

Where like the colony dug into something ancient and then sealed it up in the last days

[sand sluice]

Omg yes please

[neat nest]

And your map objective is breaking in and fighting off whatever traps and guardians are left

[sand sluice]

I want some avp vibes

[mossy bridge]

i know a vietnamese guy who loves dire marsh and plays almost exclusively on it

When i said i hated it he had this to say

so no, dire marsh is not hell, it's 1978 Northern Vietnam, which is to say, Hell

i hate this map so much which is a problem because i also LOVE this map

[sand sluice]

I did the unhinged thing and was like