christ this is gonna be HELL
#Marathon
cinder hare
grave pebble
what's the mechanics? Just shoot it in the orb?
cinder hare
3 players with full gold got almost wrecked
distant zinc
it’s hard enough to get in there
cinder hare
functionally yeah
it needs to be a little easier imo, if its THAT hard
unless they're like, "run all golds fucker"
distant zinc
what's the mechanics? Just shoot it in the orb?
pretty much, interact with the same symbol on 3 terminals, stand in a circle and shoot to unlock the damage phase
cinder hare
well, bit reactive
grave pebble
pretty much, interact with the same symbol on 3 terminals, stand in a circle and...
oh, well there' your 'actual raid mechanics' ig
i know how to find a symbol and stand in a circle
cinder hare
but it's just like, i sure as hell aint touchin that without a full trio and full golds for 4 runs worth
the loot has got to be absurd
distant zinc
well i’m sure we’ll see soon
neat nest
Cryo is so cool
neat nest
I think it's a little annoying rn because it's fundamentally a really big dangerous maze on a timer
grave pebble
it's a shitshow (positive). definitely gonna have a low completion rate i feel like
neat nest
Yeah
I think I'll cool my heels a little doing other stuff to build up gear and upgrades
Esp those ones which give you a little antivirus stock
cinder hare
66% exfil rate so far
grave pebble
i'm down to do some other runs, but i kinda only want to go along with a player who knows what they're doing tbh
no more blind runs
neat nest
I don't have enough 5000 dollarydoo kits to burn em up learning the map
tawdry sequoia
I didn't get to it yet 😔
cinder hare
you really wanna bring the bare minimum
distant zinc
i wish there was exactly one more map tbh
neat nest
Yeah there's so much loot
cinder hare
and self-res and panecea
neat nest
It's very easy to upgrade your shit there
distant zinc
because i don’t just wanna run infinite outpost runs to make enough cash for cryo
cinder hare
and blue backpack + shield
wraith vector
game haaates giving me shields
neat nest
Largely cause I didn't notice the neurochem for blue backpack barter rotated out
wraith vector
i drown in backpacks
tawdry sequoia
gotta use all your ARES' to pad your gear value
distant zinc
game haaates giving me shields
nucal refuses to give me any patch kit barters
but they give me two crazy shield kit batters
neat nest
The good news for me is I really like the other maps haha
distant zinc
i’ve started loving fire marsh now that it runs well for me
outpost is still goated but marsh gives me so much gear from supply drops
neat nest
Yeah you can get a lot of good stuff from the marsh
cinder hare
you need to do soooooo much for compiler fight 😭
distant zinc
it’s insane
cinder hare
i hope they increase the timer to something like 40~45 minutes
2 runs / day is satisfying
distant zinc
why are the items all extremely rare RNG drops
i feel so bad for snazzy he got fucked so hard
distant zinc
you need to do soooooo much for compiler fight 😭
especially considering it’s only weekends i can’t imagine how long it’s gonna take normal players to finish this shit
neat nest
The subroutines or something else?
grave pebble
even your basic uesc enemies in there drop blues or ppurples
distant zinc
The subroutines or something else?
yeah subroutines aren’t guaranteed
neat nest
Yeah I don't love that
distant zinc
snazzy got to vault 6 first and didn’t get the subroutine
neat nest
Can you exfil with them?
distant zinc
used his only red key too
distant zinc
Can you exfil with them?
yeah they’re tracked in the codex, you don’t need to bring anything with you after that (other than vault keys)
cinder hare
subroutine?
distant zinc
correct
neat nest
ok yeah seems silly for them to not be guaranteed
distant zinc
you exfil with them once and then it’s permanent
agreed especially because the vault keys aren’t exactly easy to get either afaik
neat nest
I haven't had very much luck on Cryo yet but it has been a lot of fun
grave pebble
it's doable. just gotta get smarter about dodging enemies and have a plan of where to go tbh
knowing the fastest sec clearance routes will make things a lot easier
neat nest
Yeah
It's hard not knowing where to go or, at first, where any security monitors are
Since those are the fastest way to get your clearance up
Tyraxe in the vault 10 mins on the clock
Plausible first clear
grave pebble
clear and then exfil though?
unless there's a faster exfil from inside the vault which....i feel like there's gotta be
neat nest
rip they're not gonna clear
cinder hare
they need way more ammo
neat nest
they need more ammo efficient guns
grave pebble
can't they just have a dedicated ammo crate mule?
neat nest
they can probably bring some yeah
they just bingoed out on ammo anywya
since every ran bullies
and bullies are not ammo efficient
distant zinc
i think the move is volt weapons or just LMGs lmao
distant zinc
i could see runner squads teaming up to kill it tbh
i didn’t think it was gonna be this hard
distant zinc
a single ball doing like half a gold shield is FUCKED
ham’s going for it now
they’ve only got 8 minutes tho
distant zinc
yeah “significantly increased damage” makes me think it’s all but mandatory
neat nest
~~also bungie spelled S'pht wrong 😆 ~~
neat nest
lmao these guys are running 25k loadouts
neat nest
they're running all panaceas so purple and gold shields are the same right?
distant zinc
lmaooo tyraxe is running double volt thrower
grave pebble
why would you run doubles of any weapon in this game?
I guess you get 1 extra mag but surely you have enough inventory space, right?
neat nest
probably more firepower during the narrow dps phases
distant zinc
yeah the dps phase is NOT long
distant zinc
jesus CHRIST i just watched tyraxe and co. take out like six guys in less than a minute
neat nest
yeah lol
cinder hare
They cannot tap anything but heads lol
Also when you’re this good gold shields are just more convenient ig lol
Lmao it’s volt + bully hours
distant zinc
i think that was a full map wipe
neat nest
I think it was 5 teams?
cinder hare
They’re insane I wish to never queue against them
neat nest
Tbf 25k isn’t that insane
No I think it's pretty absurd
cinder hare
Their aim is infinitely better than mine
neat nest
You start running out of stuff to take around 15
But they're packing silly stuff like 4 bubble shields in
cinder hare
You do need that tbf
distant zinc
Their aim is infinitely better than mine
yeah they did that shit like it was nothing
distant zinc
my aim is mediocre and compared to what i just saw my game sense might as well not exist
distant zinc
i can do a lot with the bully, retaliator, and overrun
cinder hare
My tracking isn’t good enough
neat nest
same
inspiring though
my fps skill has really decayed since i stopped playing them so much
interesting lore stuff that the ticks and S'pht hang out
hmmmmmmmmmmm
grave pebble
interesting lore stuff that the ticks and S'pht hang out
has something to do with the contagion i bet
it's resequencing the dna of all non-human life on tau ceti for....some reason apparently
sand sluice
I run 16k easily
I need to loan you this next time we do cryo
placid oxide
?
distant zinc
RED GUNS WHAT THE FUCK
neat nest
placid oxide
Well that's a bit mean
neat nest
VAULT 7 BABY
grave pebble
oh, there's a raid exotic then
distant zinc
AUGHHHHH
placid oxide
Christ alive
distant zinc
oh my god there’s another room
placid oxide
Lol really
neat nest
lmao they're not done
distant zinc
you need clearance 5
neat nest
there's another room you need level 5 clearance for
distant zinc
no way they go for it
grave pebble
lol they're gonna wipe
lol
placid oxide
They're going to wipe
neat nest
ok no wipe but no final room
distant zinc
surely they go for it again
placid oxide
1 unlucky soul
indigo oriole
Crazy stuff
grave pebble
do you need sec 4 to access vault 7?
neat nest
only 3 I think
distant zinc
nah i think you need 4 for the lab
neat nest
But there's a room after vault 7 which needs sec5
Oh yeah you right
I think?
Not sure actually
wintry shuttle
Cryo should be an hour thing
neat nest
naw the time pressure is electric
neat nest
wintry shuttle
My group of rando's almost made it out
but then we stabbed by both UESC and another team
neat nest
I think it's also important to force the teams out of their starting safezones faster with time pressure
sand sluice
I think we made it out uhhhhh
3 of the 4 times? 2 out of the 3 times? Can't remember how many times we did it
grave pebble
I think it's also important to force the teams out of their starting safezones f...
i don't think you're ever gonna get an average team moving like these guys tbh
swift sluice
The loot levels of Cryo seem to make the 30 minutes worth a lot more too.
neat nest
i don't think you're ever gonna get an average team moving like these guys tbh
Yeah but "get some bags and exfil" is much more doable than vault 7
placid oxide
Yeah like I do not anticipate ever getting to do this much of the game as a casual lol
sand sluice
Yeah like I do not anticipate ever getting to do this much of the game as a casu...
nah just believe, we can do it
twin rain
yeah the time limit's good actually. at some point you'd hit an equilibrium and the challenge is gone, or run out of ammo or smthn and have no hope of using the rest of the time effectively
placid oxide
I did miss the beginning part, do you need to do all 6 previous vaults?
swift sluice
I've heard of Cryo's crates being loaded with ammo?
grave pebble
ammo, blues, and purples are common even outside the vaults
wintry shuttle
Check the UESC backpacks in there always
grave pebble
like random uesc grunts drop self-reses and blue weapons
wintry shuttle
every third or fourth pack has a self revive
placid oxide
plus need the sec cler cards anyways
grave pebble
yeah the exfil mechanic is smart cause otherwise teams would just show up, farm the first load of uesc, and then camp exfils for cheap blues
grave pebble
i don't think the ||other s'pht clans aside from the s'pht'kar were ever mentioned by name in previous games, were they?||
distant zinc
no they were i think
neat nest
placid oxide
You think Bungie likes ocean metaphors?
neat nest
hmmmmmmmm
placid oxide
He's running it back with the exotic gun
neat nest
I think this kinda completes the picture of what the "contagion" was
distant zinc
if cryo is this fucked i can’t even imagine what the rest of the marathon is gonna look like
wintry shuttle
Yeah
distant zinc
it’s the uhh
wintry shuttle
and it's like the smallest part of a ship that literally has Deimos inside of it.
distant zinc
S'ct'lac'tr
neat nest
But why did the contagion attempt to destroy the colony not evolve it?
wintry shuttle
Probably because the human DNA wasn't 'right'?
twin rain
an unintended side effect
wintry shuttle
Also that
patent thicket
Man we ain’t got shit on Recon 52.
twin rain
evolution for it is destruction for us
wintry shuttle
I'm telling you all.
Bungine is gonna do the dame thing with the Grimoire's.
Physical lore books that go from "Colony origins and beginnings" to "How it ends".
neat nest
evolution for it is destruction for us
I am not so sure, the Jjaro uplifted the S'pht
It's also kinda funny that this guy's a multi-phase boss and the original ones were uhhh
The second 3 third type of enemy
placid oxide
they were fodder basically right
cold apex
yeah you could run up to them and just punch them into TV static
neat nest
A step above fodder but not super tough
patent thicket
The ones in the red robes were the minor Compilers, too. You kill dozens of them in any given level.
neat nest
Yeah they also come in... purple? and those are a lot nastier
distant zinc
inb4 a single drinnol wipes an entire lobby
twin rain
might need a "calibration" timeframe, or needs to be encoded to a specifc goal, or something is wrong. the anomaly?
wintry shuttle
This just tells us that the Security Officers on Marathon were beasts
cold apex
im not sure if security officer was that much more beyond a shell (they are) or if this was a particularly swole compiler
placid oxide
Sec Off was a special type of cyborg
cold apex
this one figured out raid mechanics so im inclined to give it a bit of credit
neat nest
Security 54 was moving different but also I suspect this S'pht is nastier than average yeah
patent thicket
Recon 52 was a Battleroid, a type of supersoldier so potent that there were treaties about their use similar to those on nuclear weapons.
twin rain
effectively the culmination of human warfare
cold apex
it knew how to make attack orbs, it had the tech
split apex
mjolnerd was a battleroid that very likely had jarro cybernetics
wintry shuttle
Recon 52 was a Battleroid, a type of supersoldier so potent that there were trea...
Sorta the same thing with the Destroyer shells
They're practically banned
neat nest
Yeah normal battleroids were extremely nasty and the one we play as is so lethal he got a whole franchise named after him
wintry shuttle
If this were Halo
patent thicket
Battleroids are way, way stronger. We ain’t got shit on Recon 52.
patent thicket
Maybe ODST.
wintry shuttle
Maybe
wintry shuttle
Yeah
cinder hare
wtf does the red gun do
wintry shuttle
Many things
placid oxide
Think part of the power of the runners is being literal dark souls characters
neat nest
shoots a big deeps beam and grenades
split apex
the runners are kinda designed with obsolesence in mind yeah
placid oxide
Get blown to pieces and just show up again 5 minutes later
wintry shuttle
"God dam it. He died again...Okay, spin up another one."
neat nest
Any time their physical stats come up they seem moderately better than humans
And have some notable advantages like being able to breathe really toxic air
patent thicket
Whereas a Battleroid is basically a nuke.
split apex
they're the kind of things you throw at a high risk situation and if they die you go "oh well" and spool up a new shell
cinder hare
oh huh
wintry shuttle
they're the kind of things you throw at a high risk situation and if they die yo...
And they're basically constructed minds, right?
patent thicket
They’re uploaded human consciousnesses, IIRC.
neat nest
They're human minds digitized and taped to a guiding AI system
cinder hare
lmao should i queue perimeter and see if i die to the red gun
neat nest
So sort of a hybrid human/AI system
cinder hare
just to be silly
twin rain
shells have a "personality matrix" but are incapable of thought without a human mind uploaded to them
wintry shuttle
Huh
split apex
literally shells for a reason
neat nest
It's also implied by a lot of ONI's lines that keeping you even semi stable takes a lot of work behind the scenes
wintry shuttle
So, out there somewhere. If you wanted to.
You could literally have a Jinx runner out there
patent thicket
Battleroids might not be totally sapient. We don’t actually know very much about them.
neat nest
Since you're a digitized human mind taped to an AI in a highly compressed form which can do a neural eject between the moment a bullet hits your skull and blows your digital brain out
wintry shuttle
You could literally have a Jinx runner out there
And at the same time, A 117 Runner out there too.
split apex
It's also implied by a lot of ONI's lines that keeping you even semi stable take...
The short film they did with Durandal reciting Ozymandias has the runners being put through some kind of psyche stabilization test each time they die and come back
wintry shuttle
Oh man, a Signalis crossover fic would be wild.
patent thicket
They were made from the cadavers of soldiers with cybernetics of uncertain provenance.
wintry shuttle
Oh man, a Signalis crossover fic would be wild.
Because the Replika's had their calming objects
I wonder what would that be for a Runner shell.
patent thicket
(They were Jjaro tech.)
split apex
So there's definitely a lot of effort put it to keep a runner's mind stable
neat nest
I'm ||kinda glad the Compiler isn't a huge bullet sponge||
sand sluice
the runners are kinda designed with obsolesence in mind yeah
||Ye and doesn't Sekiguchi stuff support that as well since Nona's whole thing is wanted us to evolve into a better shell?||
twin rain
I wonder what would that be for a Runner shell.
in the same vid that briar mentioned you see vandal/glitch being shown the foot of a doll (good luck charm) and a photo of themselves (who?)
cinder hare
lmao tyraxe is getting streamsniped
split apex
||Ye and doesn't Sekiguchi stuff support that as well since Nona's whole thing i...
Mhm
placid oxide
I'm ||kinda glad the Compiler isn't a *huge* bullet sponge||
||Definitely glad it isn't just something you mag dump and kill||
||Reload animation on the new gun is sick actually, you juice it up like a vape lol||
slate field
Might actually have time to try out Cryo tonight if anyone's available
slate field
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some Cryo runs?
cinder hare
shutting off for the night
distant zinc
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some Cryo runs?
i wish but i’m only 22
chrome rapids
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some Cryo runs?
Id be down, gonna check if i have enough stuff
slate field
There's apparently free kits you can bring specifically for Cryo
placid oxide
It's a one time kit
slate field
i wish but i’m only 22
I find doing priority contracts are a pretty quick way to level up
slate field
It's a one time kit
Ah, makes sense
neat nest
It's a one time kit
Yeah unfortunately
slate field
Still, a lot more generous than I was expecting
distant zinc
I find doing priority contracts are a pretty quick way to level up
yeah i’ve just been super busy for the past week, i’ve got a bunch of sekiguchi shit to burn through tomorrow
slate field
I also wasn't expecting that surprise cutscene
twin rain
it's SO good. the glitching music caught me off guard at the start
legitimately "what is wrong with my game" moment
slate field
@chrome rapids You got da stuff?
chrome rapids
Sadly no. And i just lost stuff tryna get the stuff
slate field
Ah, damn
chrome rapids
Hopefully soon i'll get lucky
slate field
If you're still on I could join you to try and help
chrome rapids
Sure id be down in a few, gonna eat first
grave pebble
Probably good for me to get a few warm-up games first anyhow
You running anywhere in particular?
slate field
I'm good for whatever, mostly trying to help gear up for Cryo
grave pebble
Im down for some outpost running for loot, but be warned idk the map that well
slate field
I won't have many opportunities to try out Cryo so I wanna strike while the iron's hot, so to speak
Outpost isn't too bad once you take care of the other runners on the map
Feel free to hop in VC when you're ready
ivory laurel
This is a joke, right?
warm sage
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for some Cryo runs?
that 5k Ante is no joke bro im poor as shit
cinder hare
honestly as far as compilers go
my only complaint is it sounds like a massive grind
esp since you can get wiped after getting a key if you're unlucky
and needing a red key iirc
cinder hare
been thinking about it more
i really wouldn't mind a pve dedicated save for marathon
im considering playing destiny because people tell me it has a similar feel, except you've got insane powerscaling
slate field
Had a fairly successful first Cryo run
Was a little hairy towards the end cuz we got separated but we all managed to make off with a decent haul
Good comms all around
obsidian latch
If a single compiler is this hard to kill, the security officer must have been moving on some demon time because what the fuck
patent thicket
He was a supersoldier cyborg. We’re 3d printed soldiers from Space Temu.
obsidian latch
Right but we also have plug n play body mods customizable high caliber weaponry and NuCaloric Super Crack ™ and that shit still mulches us meanwhile SO is out here besthing s’phit to death with his bare hands and taking down hovertanks with a magnum
patent thicket
Battleroids are a cut above us and Recon 52 was a cut above them.
obsidian latch
Durandals strongest baby boy
patent thicket
Everything that happened on Lh’owon put paid to that yeah.
obsidian latch
“Whatever, go my lobotomized cyber zombie demigod of slaughter”
neat nest
I’m thinking about it and I think I get why Cryo is trios now
I figured it would be vault mechanics but
I think it’s actually the “security access economy”
Where in solos there’d be too many sinks for the access to go into
oak glacier
the lose everything factory is fun
found vault 4, had enough batteries
needed colonist credentials
can you find those in cryo or do you need to bring those in?
neat nest
I think it is possible to find them there but the intent is to pack one in
indigo oriole
i think overall im curious to see if the nature of the vaults and how much effort it takes to see the compiler starts getting some teams to 'work together' for periods of time
wintry shuttle
The other maps are going to be 'peaceful' for a while.
Because the PVP is gonna be ranked and Cryo
ivory laurel
The LEF is a very fun map
patent thicket
Going solo is a lot less stressful than with randos.
neat nest
Yeah random fill is such a crapshoot even though I think the community is above average
patent thicket
I just don't feel as rushed.
indigo oriole
my advice is to do randoms when you want to do quests like "kill X uesc" or "kill X things with submachine guns"
patent thicket
I've met the Space Anarchists.
ivory laurel
Going solo into fill feels like a coinflip, being a duo with fill feels a bit better
chilly pebble
anyone up for some pinwheel? Never done it before but I really need that derma salvage
patent thicket
Scary-ass cyborg.
obsidian latch
The p’hor talk about him like he’s King Von
chilly pebble
Soundtrack of me skipping right towards you with my destroyer sprint with my shield up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwKFlVtZ86E
mossy bridge
he's so fucking cool
distant zinc
is that who i think it is
mossy bridge
||veillantif, roland's horse, in the background while holding a sword he's named after||
yes
distant zinc
god they’re cooking so hard
obsidian latch
Nothing how the Marathon, without Deimos, is || shaped like a giant sword ||
final onyx
<@&1474420814979010821> who wants to run cryo archive?
chilly pebble
Anyone wanna run contracts?
final onyx
i have a contract for cryo archive
chilly pebble
not quite ready for cryo archive yet
final onyx
i could maybe help you get there
sand sluice
i wish but i’m only 22
For that best way is to do trios with other players since you earn xp faster IIRC
Or wait is that only faction XP? 
sand sluice
I can assist if needed ye
warm sage
esp since you can get wiped after getting a key if you're unlucky
I know theyre against it but we desperately need a safe pocket
just make it to where dying makes the item in your safe pockets trace status go down
so that to keep something you have to damage it
sand sluice
Actually yeah maybe something like that with the trace system ye
grave pebble
I think it’s actually the “security access economy”
I mean, you could just scale security access needed down in solos
cinder hare
I know theyre against it but we desperately need a safe pocket
Yeah I like that
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> lf1
placid oxide
I’d be down in like 5 if that’s okay?
neat nest
sounds good
sand sluice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHxLcIoh8EU yo it's out!
cinder hare
imma try destiny
im curious how marathon it feels in terms of gunplay, etc
all the reviews say its shit tho 😭
neat nest
they're just salty now
cinder hare
though ik a destiny player who says you can get keys for like 8 dlcs for like 10 bucks
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone for some runs?
cinder hare
im 99% sure this one review is ai-generated
sand sluice
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone for some runs?
sure
gonna be a sec tho cause it locked me in this run
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone for some runs?
Actually I lied I can do more I just need some water
pale flare
all the reviews say its shit tho 😭
It is a difficult game to recommend due to years of terrible business practices (a great deal of the narrative and gameplay experience is no longer in the game, some of which because of technical problems, some by design). However, most of what remains is really good (especially as you get further in to the final shape) and it's still one of the best FPSes out there. Fortunately, the new stuff (edge of fate and after) is significantly less reliant on the older content (with one major exception) and is more or less being treated as its own thing.
cinder hare
honestly given that i can just get a ton of the DLCs for $30 or so if i like it
lmao why is Year of Prophecy overwhelmingly negative?
81% disliked
pale flare
imo historically the bungie community cannot be trusted. But probably because of some genuinely half-baked system changes that took six months to become just okay
cinder hare
i mean yeah we have people who are so toxic in the marathon discord its actual hell
distant zinc
i mean yeah we have people who are so toxic in the marathon discord its actual h...
shit is actually insane
pale flare
(they changed how you're led into activities and how the long term gear grind works and the menu for it is genuinely ass compared to what came before)
distant zinc
some people just having nothing better to do
neat nest
The trick to the Marathon discord is to stay in the ex-playtest channels where people who actually play the game are
pale flare
Which is a shame 'cuz I think edge of fate is probably the best expansion right next to final shape
cinder hare
but thank god the arachne chat is mostly chill people who i can just say "pssst pve post just dropped" and then they'll go all WAHOO TIME FOR WAR
neat nest
Or at least stay the fuck away from the general channel
cinder hare
for the toxic 1% that is
distant zinc
The trick to the Marathon discord is to stay in the ex-playtest channels where p...
i just sit in the lore discussion channel and have fun
there's some occasional idiot shit in there but it's mostly funny to me
cinder hare
there's like 3-4 guys who are actually toxic and the rest are chill
especially if you find the destiny players
those guys are lovely
ngl its more fun talking to gamers who like rank grinding but have a 9-5
warm sage
"im gonna skip out on leveling MIDA for now, throwables aren't that useful" the 17 poison nades thrown at me in Cryo
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone wanna try a game of ranked and see how the sweat is
warm sage
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone wanna try a game of ranked and see how the sweat ...
cant I went to the lose everything factory
patent thicket
I'm having a really rough time of it. These UESC drones are tough as nails.
Although I'm being held back a bit by the fact that I don't like the free rifle with Traxus's sponsored kit very much.
I forgot to check the Armory screen more thoroughly before I logged out, is there a way to get specific guns that doesn't involve taking them off of other Runners? I lost my M77 and I want a replacement.
cosmic flame
you can buy the m77 from traxus
patent thicket
Maybe I should've done their quest before MIDA.
I did their kill UESC and break windows quest this evening.
neat nest
wintry shuttle
Oh my god
patent thicket
Jesus.
grave pebble
does the tranquility key for vault 5 retain in your inventory? Like, can you bring the v5 and tranq keys on the same run?
warm sage
I'm making this into a sticker in another server
grave pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> cryo archive runs anyone?
warm sage
<@&1474420814979010821> cryo archive runs anyone?
I would but uhhhh
tawdry sequoia
in like....30~ minutes
grave pebble
in like....30~ minutes
sure, just ping me. i'd be down to sweat a vault run possibly
obsidian latch
Would blow my shit smooth off in front of Durandal with a WSTR
grave pebble
i've got blues to burn tbh, just want to go in with a bit more focus
placid oxide
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone up for Cryo or anything really?
grave pebble
i'm in for cryo, i think trashman is gonna join us for a third?
or do you already have 2?
placid oxide
We need 1, Cyan went to bed
grave pebble
cool i'll be in shortly
neat nest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHxLcIoh8EU yo it's out!
I'm so stoked for this one
32 minutes lol
grave pebble
sunn bro#3165
cinder hare
cant rn
trying to figure out the yellow key locations
i want to see if i can speedrun conveyence special room gtfo
neat nest
I'm so stoked for this one
that's a funky little.... whatever that is
yeah that's about what I expected them to say about this Magnum
cinder hare
btw i think i figured it out if anyone wants to go gold hunting with me
neat nest
I'd be down tomorrow but I'm winding down for bed atm
I just noticed the wstr makes square bullet impact decals
neat nest
This isn't totally complete but has a bunch of key spawns
There's tons of spawn locations and I think only about half are used at once
placid oxide
@cinder hare
cinder hare
im aware
placid oxide
Saving that one for you lol
chilly pebble
I love just placing down claymores and getting a kill like 5-10 min later
cinder hare
lmao thanks ig
cinder hare
3 rooks killed
vidmaster is hilarious
<@&1474420814979010821> gonna go for one last run today, tryna go for the locked room that needs 2 masters + 1 yellow
grave pebble
finally starting to get decent at outpost rook runs
trick is to never pick a fight - there's so much loot in pinwheel that most squads usually forget an arms locker or miss some nice salvage
usually i'm in and out before i see one of my claymores ping someone's shields
also getting very used to the punch and the ce tactical - they're actually very good weapons
cinder hare
Meanwhile I’m backstabbing every rook I see now
grave pebble
the rule of thumb is that rooks are friendly-ish outside of pinwheel, but inside it's a free-for-all
grave pebble
i feel like they're gonna have to buff the vault key drop rate tbh
i've only seen one in about 50 hours of play, going for the wardens is almost always a bad idea unless you're confident you're the last squad on the map
cinder hare
At the current moment I find myself wanting PvE more and more just because Marathon gets a little too… painful? Sometimes
Less painful and more like time consuming
It’s still an extraction shooter, but like, I dunno
grave pebble
i think cryo is the most pve you could make a marathon map tbh
warm sage
i think cryo is the most pve you could make a marathon map tbh
100%
cinder hare
Hard to explain but Marathon doesn’t feel like that horror game people treat it as somehow
warm sage
you literally NEVER stop fighting
cinder hare
i think cryo is the most pve you could make a marathon map tbh
Could do with 1 less team though
I feel like I meet way too many teams at a time
grave pebble
tbh cryo is inevitably going to turn into teamfight city just cause the map pushes every team into control
warm sage
with how big cryo is too removing a team wouldn't change much
I like it though
you don't get a lot of time to think and you need to make quick descisions with your team to play effectively
you also need to be adaptable enough to handle when things go wrong
fun gameplay loop
I just hope the next section of the Marathon isn't...
well
grave pebble
i don't entirely like the emerging 'spam grenades around corners, camp in bubble shields, and wstr rush' meta
cinder hare
Nade spam meta fucking sucks in Cryo
warm sage
yeah but I think its intentional
I doubt we'll get another map THIS condensed
every gunfight in cryo is happening in a small hallway at at most a distance of 20 meters so grenades shotguns and smgs are going to run rampant
grave pebble
it's mostly that it's HUGELY vertical and has a lot of tight spaces
warm sage
the vertical space too yeah
grave pebble
stepping forward is too risky cause of wstrs, getting a good line of sight for rifle fighting is impossible. lmg shields have a place there at least
warm sage
that one POI with the balcony overlooking that wide semi open area is basically an instant death zone
'I do like how the map dictates the meta though
instead of something just being so overbearingly strong its impossible to deal with everywhere
cinder hare
i think nade spam needs to be tuned down
warm sage
probably
cinder hare
and likewise, i think the WSTR is fundamentally untenable at the moment
warm sage
makes playing without a triage borderline impossible
grave pebble
the thing about nade spam is that the real meta on cryo is just bringing 5 self revives too
and just tanking every time you die
warm sage
that too
cinder hare
i think we need to have an ADS added to the game
similar to the bubble but minus the bullshit
how does bubble work rn?
warm sage
that should be a shell ability
cosmic flame
why are you making this suggestion if you don't know
cinder hare
i mean in the sense of is it HP or timer based
warm sage
both
warm sage
timer doesnt matter much though
cinder hare
ive seen like 2 bubbles ever
warm sage
they're everything on Cryo
cinder hare
why are you making this suggestion if you don't know
in the sense of bubble meta rn
yeah ive seen 2 in like 3 runs, rarely outside of cryo
warm sage
an anti throwable shell would be great for Cryo
warm sage
I have a feeling next week
every Cryo match is gonna look like the Culling Games
now that people know how to do vaults, how to explore the map and where things are etc. its gonna be a lot more focused
cinder hare
also one of the things is, i dont know the exact mechanisms behind the bubble, but i know how it feels playing against them
yeah after like 1 day i started to internally map out the archive
like right now i have pinwheel practically perfectly memorized
i even know specific spots to check due to higher (might be percieved) purple loot rate now
specifically, in the left side of destroyed wing (from the direction you would enter it in) there's a tool cart with surprisingly high purple rate ime
grave pebble
the thing about pinwheel is that every team forgets about the broken wing in my experience, but there is usually some good stuff there
cinder hare
oh its my favorite wing
warm sage
the thing about pinwheel is that every team forgets about the broken wing in my ...
there's a guarenteed strongbox in there iirc
cinder hare
the easiest to move around it
warm sage
its also a nice exit
cinder hare
and yeah there's a strongbox at the back of every wing
i hope they figure out how to fix destroyed wing soon
cinder hare
i mean bungie is most likely gonna figure out how to make a better puzzle for it
i think the conveyence request thing is funny, but PLEASE let me claymore the drone
PLEASE
grave pebble
i feel like if the destructible panels were dispersed around the map it would be fine
cause then it would be a lot more running around, but it would let you open a path without ringing the dinner bell for every other player
cinder hare
mmm i think that could be cool
but then it becomes weirder keycards
and i expect more camping waiting for people to unlock it
cinder hare
ik we're getting the orion uesc shell
too many reasons to do that, not enough to not do that
well, more like, "i predict we will"
of all the shell types, sentinel feels super uesc too
as a name that is
grave pebble
definitely think next season is gonna be about orion going awol and forming uesc outer heaven on tau ceti
warm sage
definitely think next season is gonna be about orion going awol and forming uesc...
I think it'd be a bit insane to do that this early
cinder hare
yeah lore logs all sound very "we kinda hate how UESC is operating"
distant zinc
i think we need to have an ADS added to the game
ADS?
cinder hare
active defense system
cinder hare
or more specifically an APS
i think an APS shell might work
imo, destroyer should mititage nades w/ shield in the first place
but i think it'd be sick asf if he had a blue or purple core to buff that capability
grave pebble
imo, destroyer should mititage nades w/ shield in the first place
considering he literally does that in the cinematic, yeah tbh
cinder hare
iirc lots of people complain about how he doesnt really do that
woeful tundra
iirc lots of people complain about how he doesnt really do that
@cinder hare I'm not sure where you're absorbing all this and this isn't the worst case of road rage posting ever but this still counts tbh
I think if you'd like more pve you should try arcs
I don't think there's anything to gain by just kinda complaining about all the myriad small things that annoy us about the game we're investing in, especially if we're absorbing extra background annoyance from Twitter or the official discord or whatever
Like if I go to a guilty gear discord it'll have channels for every single character where 50% of the posts are complaining about how their main sucks
I don't think marathon is perfect either. But I'm not gonna talk about the random stuff I hope they tweak here?
woeful tundra
At the current moment I find myself wanting PvE more and more just because Marat...
If you're not enjoying the game you should honestly just play other stuff. Not trying to be snide I just really recommend everyone invest in experiences they enjoy
sand sluice
I think if you'd like more pve you should try arcs
wait what's arcs?
woeful tundra
Arc raiders
indigo oriole
They are finally removing the ai voicework
final onyx
They are finally removing the ai voicework
my personal solution to marathon is to get the stuff i want from the season and then chill
everything else is just for funsies
sand sluice
I've been enjoying the grind to vips, season level, and watching credits go up mainly ye
I think my main goals are gonna be those 2 plus hit a mil credits for profiteer title
indigo oriole
eventually i'll try to do outpost with some regularity, im fine just kind of casually coasting along in perimeter and killzone marsh
neat nest
trick is to never pick a fight - there's so much loot in pinwheel that most squa...
Yeah I’ve gotten pretty good at that part the problems I’ve been having are getting jumped by rooks and teams trying to exfil
indigo oriole
exfils truly are the stressful part (fun stress)
ivory laurel
The amount of rooks I have slain close to exfil
patent thicket
What's the deal with Rooks?
ivory laurel
Marathon's equiv to scavs in Tarkov
patent thicket
I don't know what those are either.
wraith vector
Arrive late in trios, scavenge from the dead
Start off with a randomish but better-than-free kit, upgraded through the factions
incredibly good at not giving a damn about pve because prolonged disguise mode
patent thicket
Sounds like a good way to replenish your vault if you've had a bad run.
wraith vector
also just kind of fun to slam into a later-game Outpost and Super Market Sweep everything you can find and not get shot by many strangers
playing solo starts you off in a Fresh Game with other Solos, Rook just shows up in regular games 10-20 minutes in
patent thicket
I've been playing Destroyer exclusively. Maybe I should give that a shot if I start getting really low on resources.
wraith vector
hard to pull away from air dash
patent thicket
I'm getting better at taking out UESC, but I still can't seem to take out other runners.
I got the drop on an Assassin earlier and he still wiped the walls with me, not sure what I'm doing wrong yet.
But I've been taking out whole squads of UESC fairly regularly at least, so I am getting good loot when I make it to exfil.
wraith vector
Sometimes I wonder if it's Destroyer having a big ol' model, I feel like I go down -realquick- compared to Thief
patent thicket
Yeah I'm not sure either, still trying to pin down what the problem is.
I just avoid other runners if I can for the time being.
indigo oriole
Rooks are fun! spawning in late / replacing dead players adds a different feel to things
its also like... the most disposable runs? it costs nothing to go in as rook, so if you just want to goof around its a nice time
indigo oriole
Rook can teach good lessons too, like how to avoid engagements or when to 1v2 / 1v3, really neat asymmetry stuff
sand sluice
main thing with rook is you can't do contracts, otherwise rook is a good way to get stuff esp cause teams won't always grab everything after fights
chilly pebble
What's with all the recons in solos today
sand sluice
halp how do I dig?
sharp plover
you gotta do a buttslam combo
patent thicket
Playing this on a loop during Rook runs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRM9-Rm34Q
chilly pebble
It's such a good ost
patent thicket
Oh I remember this one.
chilly pebble
I'd really like to see the marathon 1 stuff reimagined as non midi
cinder hare
<@634903819792416778> I'm not sure where you're absorbing all this and this isn'...
When I brought that up it’s more about the fact that I’ve noticed others having an issue with it, while trying to discuss relevant issues with the current Cryo meta
Like it’s because of grenade meta that I brought up people getting annoyed by destroyer not countering grenades, really
Also yeah in regards to PvE I’m probably installing Destiny or the like soon because of that
patent thicket
Also anyone else notice the graffiti saying "Mad is the sword that slays tomorrow." or something like that?
I mean we all know what that's in reference to. But also, Durandal was the sword of Roland and the Roland figure in Marathon is Recon 52. I'm excited to see if we find out more about his fate.
final onyx
his fate is thoroughly explored in infinity
indigo oriole
im not as up on my nu-marathon lore, do we know if our marathon is like, a different timeline or smth
patent thicket
It's gotta be.
tawdry sequoia
The dates and events are wrong to be the same timeline
patent thicket
That was the whole thing with Infinity.
indigo oriole
i dont know nothin about og marathon its all new to me
patent thicket
The main character of the original Marathon had to do a bunch of timeline hopping to prevent the universe from being deleted.
So it stands to reason that this is the timeline he successfully headed that off.
indigo oriole
thank you john marathon
neat nest
neat nest
im not as up on my nu-marathon lore, do we know if our marathon is like, a diffe...
The vague consensus is that NuMarathon is set in the “living timeline” where the whack cactus is never freed
patent thicket
Yeah.
sharp plover
it actually doesn't even align with that one
because originally sol learned about the pfhor and brought a fleet to fight them before the events of Nu
unless thats just secret and the uesc is playing dumb
patent thicket
That's where my money is.
neat nest
because originally sol learned about the pfhor and brought a fleet to fight them...
I believe that’s a part of Marathon 2, which doesn’t happen in the living timeline
sharp plover
patent thicket
My speculation is that they've locked down the Tau Ceti colony so hard because they really don't want the general public finding out about the Alieums
sharp plover
I believe that’s a part of Marathon 2, which doesn’t happen in the living timeli...
oh, i guess that might be true, hrm
neat nest
The S’pht rebellion isn’t successful or doesn’t fully happen in the living timeline iirc, so the Phfor are still out there in force and don’t resort to using the hard to pronounce sun killing weapon
And the colony isn’t nuked from orbit shortly after the events of Marathon 1 in this timeline
sharp plover
(i just go with tri-zeem)
patent thicket
There was some kind of bioweapon or chemical attack on the colony and then something Weird happened to them that presumably wiped out the rest.
neat nest
It seems like there’s more than one bad thing happening?
I haven’t finished off the priority contracts though so maybe they connect up
NuCaloric is investigating the Contagion, Traxus the temporal anomalies, I’m less sure what MIDA is after some kind of bioweapon?
Seki is telling me weird stories and demanding I hurt my shell and do poisons
sand sluice
||anomaly is linked to the contagion and is a cognito hazard, confirmed by nucal||
woeful tundra
When I brought that up it’s more about the fact that I’ve noticed others having ...
I get it, but like. I do wanna point out the same stuff I pointed at in the helldivers thread which is: what's the social goal behind talking about it
grave pebble
Mida wants to weaponise the contagion (or prevent the uesc from doing so)
Mida being mida though I'm sure there's other shit at play
woeful tundra
grave pebble
Sekgen wants you to synthesize and inject native life into your shell to ???
woeful tundra
this general section yeah
like, this is a thing a lot of people do in pnet video game threads
cinder hare
I get it, but like. I do wanna point out the same stuff I pointed at in the hell...
Like I dunno but there’s an insane nade meta in Cryo rn and I was talking about possible directions to counter or mitigate that
neat nest
I think people just haven’t worked out the meta
cinder hare
Like I could send the feedback to the devs later too, since there’s official feedback channels
neat nest
Like the 24 hour bubble shield meta before people realized the counter
grave pebble
Like the 24 hour bubble shield meta before people realized the counter
What's the counter? Volt weapons?
woeful tundra
I think it's reasonable to wanna talk about stuff if you're looking for specific counters or looking for specific kinds of answers or emotional support
sand sluice
I didn't know a counter existed to it
neat nest
What's the counter? Volt weapons?
Don’t push bubbles just shoot them
They only have like 2000 hp or something
woeful tundra
iirc lots of people complain about how he doesnt really do that
but like. @cinder hare stuff like this ^
grave pebble
They only have like 2000 hp or something
Right. The titan bubble solution
neat nest
Volts also break them even faster
neat nest
But you don’t need them
grave pebble
Triage stocks rising ever higher
neat nest
But don’t push a bubble shield! You will get pranked by people weaving in and out of them
cinder hare
Support meta is hilarious
woeful tundra
like broadly speaking it just sounded like a lot of general emoting about stuff you don't like. I think it's valid to be frustrated by stuff in general but we gotta be focused when bringing that to public spaces
neat nest
I remember popping on on an exfil and being surprised that the UESC killed it in like 5 seconds
cinder hare
Yeah no that’s not what I was going for
neat nest
Albeit it included a grenadier ironically
sand sluice
do emp grenades work better on the bubble shield over other grenades?
grave pebble
As a rook I always just let myself get downed on guarded exfils
Faster than fighting the commander
cinder hare
It’s more like “I saw people experiencing issues when trying to use the shield vs nades” and using that to add relevance
grave pebble
And the suck isn't enough to wipe you before the teleport
woeful tundra
Nade spam meta fucking sucks in Cryo
if this is your version of trying to find a solution then I'm sorry it just generates a social impact identical to road rage posting
"nade spam meta fucking sucks" is just like, the exact same "this gun fucking sucks why does it exist" stuff you see in the helldivers thread, deadlock thread, silksong thread...
neat nest
do emp grenades work better on the bubble shield over other grenades?
I am not sure, honestly I don’t really know how EMPs work
They do damage and hack people and blow up 2-3 times in a sequence??
That’s about all I know lol
sand sluice
ye that's fair
twin rain
And the suck isn't enough to wipe you before the teleport
you can also use the exfil beacon to bodyblock their LOS which can prevent the suck (in case an errant nade hit you as you were downed, heat cascade starts etc)
neat nest
The multiple explosions probably make them good vs static bubble shields since they appear to do a lot of damage
I thought they were like stun grenades but they just kill people lol
cinder hare
Shit really lmao
grave pebble
I thought they were like stun grenades but they just kill people lol
Makes sense they'd work like that against cyborgs ig
neat nest
They don’t do as much damage as frags but they do a lot
sand sluice
oh yeah no they're good, I think specifically they cause emp ontop of their grenade damage
they're my favorite type in solos because if you can hit someone with them before a fight starts it locks them in
the heat nades are also nice for similar reasons
since they cause overheat
neat nest
I hate heat grenades I wanna mooove
ivory laurel
Can you bubble a drone?
neat nest
I’ve never seen it done anyway
sand sluice
Like I could send the feedback to the devs later too, since there’s official fee...
actually speaking of which Idk if you've gotten the survey yet but I do know they send out the surveys through the in-game mail
neat nest
I think the grenade meta in Cryo will start to go away once people get better about staggering movement and such
grave pebble
I think the grenade meta in Cryo will start to go away once people get better ab...
Yeah once people get more map sense they'll stop clustering together for safety
neat nest
Rn there’s a significant gap in the difficulty of handling grenades vs the difficulty of yelling “think fast chucklenuts” and mashing G 4 times
grave pebble
It's always gonna be a cqc meta though
twin rain
<@&1474420814979010821> who's up for some contracts?
neat nest
It's always gonna be a cqc meta though
Yeah there’s just so many corridors and such
chilly pebble
sure
craggy laurel
<@&1474420814979010821> who's up for some contracts?
I'm down for some Marton gaming
twin rain
cool. I'm starting a VC
sand sluice
finished the survey
and I gotta say it's a good survey that covers a lot of things, I highly recommend taking it
I'm actually a bit impressed, most surveys I run into are more super specific or pointed
anyways back to running
I think I just killed someone who meant to queue into Cryo
tawdry sequoia
I haven't gotten to play Cryo yet, and haven't watched anything on it
grave pebble
A real life circuit breaker, wow
sand sluice
I thought he had some sorta sniper at first but no he was trying to kill me with the circuit breaker
tawdry sequoia
anyone who isn't super dialed in still running it? I'd like to give Cryo a go without resorting to pubs 😅
sand sluice
I would but I'm completely out of kilter, I'm missing most of my shots recently that I normally land
tbf I think it's cause like, I grinded a few hours of bf6 before swapping back to marathon so I'm tetris effecting between the two games
patent thicket
I think I've been underestimating the uses for the knife.
indigo oriole
another knifepilled joins the ranks
neat nest
It’s so strong
twin rain
Could use one more to drop in!
tawdry sequoia
I would love to, but I have to do a work emergency for another 15 minutes 😩
neat nest
I can’t hop on just now but I wish I could
placid oxide
Longing to return to the lose everything factory
final onyx
i can run cryo archive tonight
sand sluice
picked up something for recon
chilly pebble
I should run my free cryo kit once this weekend I feel
patent thicket
It is kind of funny that you have this extremely advanced bio-mechanical Shell and one of the most effective weapons you can use in close quarters is "sharp bit of metal."
tawdry sequoia
well it's a bit like guns
'make hard small thing go fast' is a design paradigm that will remain effective
you might change the specifics of the hard small thing, tweak the size or shape, or change how fast or how you make it fast, but 'throw slug downrange' is going to stay effective
chilly pebble
Every advancement is just make rock go faster
From the caveman Chugg Rogg, to the most advanced railgun
sharp plover
even nuclear weapons are just lots of really tiny rocks going really fast
chilly pebble
spicy rock
patent thicket
grug smush spicy ro-
"I'm gonna randomize your innards."
To clarify, it's the brutal simplicity of "I have a knife." juxtapozed against being a disembodied consciousness piloting a synthetic proxy body that makes me laugh.
sharp plover
you might be functionally immortal but getting stabbed is still a bitch
indigo oriole
dont worry runner, we have gone out of our way to make sure you always remember what a knife feels like
patent thicket
"owie"
indigo oriole
also what robot punches feel like because you bet your ass the uesc WILL run up on you and they WILL clock you in the jaw
which i love i think its so funny that the robots will push up on you to deck you
neat nest
they're so aggressive it's great
patent thicket
MetalPipe.mp3
tawdry sequoia
work emergency finally done, jeez
indigo oriole
i missed out on cryo this weekend but i think next weekend i should have this flu conquered and be ready to lose everything at my lose everything factory
sharp plover
honestly, i dont expect the shells to be particularly tough (relative to humans), because they need tl be able to be manufactured quickly and cheaply (again, relatively) and also not significantly heavier than humans
neat nest
I get the sense that a lot of the shell's durability is being able to handle very harsh environments
They don't need protective gear on TCIV like the humans do and can wade through cryo-coolant and handle super-infectious alien shit and such
twin rain
related, but also smoke grenades flavor text say that it emits "concentrated pollution"
so shells can also wade thru that shit with ease
cinder hare
also they can recalibrate your lungs to handle toxic shit like its a tuesday
neat nest
If we take their gameplay performance as canon they're also stronger (can smash up inch thick metal grates easily) and tougher (can eat 3-5 HMG bullets and continue fighting) than humans
indigo oriole
yeah not bleeding helps
neat nest
They bleed so much tbf
twin rain
they bleed something, but it's not as critically important (probably?)
indigo oriole
thats fair, more like... idk how to word it, one bullet doesnt mean im gunna die from bullet bloodloss
i got a lot of blue in me
cinder hare
someone made a ttk sheet
twin rain
side tangent: a small thing I would like to see is blood spatter on walls/floors when you take damage to HP
neat nest
i got a lot of blue in me
They have so much blood yeah
neat nest
side tangent: a small thing I would like to see is blood spatter on walls/floors...
They do!
cinder hare
and turns out wardens have 6-7x a grenadier commander's HP
twin rain
oh? I hadnt noticed
neat nest
HP damage leaves blue blood near where they were for HP damage
There's no trail to follow but there's small blood puddles where people took HP damage
indigo oriole
for future cosmetics id love a battle damaged line
neat nest
and turns out wardens have 6-7x a grenadier commander's HP
Yeah that adds up
Those guys are kinda spongy
cinder hare
so, the WSTR TTK is 330 ms rn, while the V85 is the ONLY gun with 0ms rn
vs blue shields fyi
neat nest
That's the Zeus right?
sharp plover
for future cosmetics id love a battle damaged line
thats kinda the deluxe edition skins
cinder hare
shotgun
average TTK is about 1200 ms id say
Repeater is the worst at bodyshots at 2800 ms
neat nest
I believe it's lower but there is also the difference between practical and theoretical TTS
I think it's about 800-900 on average? Assuming good shooting but some mix of head and body shots
neat nest
It does extending off to the side if it's the one I'm thinking of
twin rain
I see
cinder hare
it does have a filter for that
neat nest
I didn't realize the Repeater's was 2.1
cosmic flame
yeah perhaps unsurprising the bodyshots only col is not that useful for evaluating precision rifles
indigo oriole
the 0 stands out so much lmaooo very funny
neat nest
It's kinda a lie iirc since it requires a high pre-charge
cosmic flame
the scar being this bad at bodyshots only is fairly inexplicable though'
indigo oriole
yeah i was thinking about that
tawdry sequoia
anyone want töo run something?
I'd like to try cryo, but I'd be okay with regular contracts too if no one wants to 😅
twin rain
anyone want töo run something?
I can play in about 15-20m if you haven't filled
cinder hare
most precision average 900 ms ttk headshot
indigo oriole
the numbers mason, what do they mean
cinder hare
SMGs, Shotguns, have the lowest TTK, alongside railguns
twin rain
I think I'm going to continue to sleep on the railguns. they feel so crummy to charge up
cinder hare
neat nest
the scar being this bad at bodyshots only is fairly inexplicable though'
I believe there is some... stuff going on with Volt weapons outside of the base numbers
Bonus damage to shields seems to be the consensus
So shave a bit off all their TTKs with an increasing amount based on shield strength
twin rain
yeah they dont feel as bad as it looks
cosmic flame
if railguns didnt feel weirdly more clunky than snipers even before the windup was taken into account I would feel a lot better about using them
neat nest
(also volt thrower numbers are fucked up because it has a lengthy time of flight)
indigo oriole
volt weapons def seem to eat bubbles
cosmic flame
I mostly just remember seeing crit numbers on a blue shield with an ares and the guy just staring back at me
"haha I just fucking duelled a guy with an SMG and headshot him and he's still alive well fuck me"
neat nest
Yeah I'm not sure what to do with the Ares now
placid oxide
Sell it for credits?
cinder hare
with a longshot i can go ping ping ping ping ping
neat nest
I think their weird saving grace is that they have decent hipfire spread, a high base damage, and no movement penalty for accuracy
so you just jump around like a lunatic and spam bodyshots
oak glacier
hittin shots with the ares feels nice
the charging isnt for me tho 
cinder hare
id like if you could hold the charge
cosmic flame
there were problems with this archetype of gun in d2 pvp but it was strong enough that you could kill supers and it wound up at like
neat nest
you can but not for very long
placid oxide
Pulse Rifle meta was fun for a brief period of time for sure
cosmic flame
oh specifically I meant the special lfrs like arbys and lorentz
lorentz was also a terror because it had egregiously overtuned aim assist which didn't help
placid oxide
Arbalest my beloved
cosmic flame
there was also the damage buff element where you could use the equivalent of the triage passive and turn the gun into a one bodyshot
funny ass gun I must say
cosmic flame
none of these things are true anymore
also it takes like 200 hours to get these guns anyway so i wouldnt super get hopes up about it
neat nest
neat nest
it is a reallly good shot
final onyx
define jam
tawdry sequoia
do
placid oxide
Music to the ears
final onyx
u up for cryo archive?
tawdry sequoia
yeah, with the warning I have not played it before
twin rain
can be there in 5m or so (I am delayed)
wraith vector
Is there a quest for Quarantine that involves being locked into a room, because we sure executed this assassin's friends while he was trapped and watching helplessly
felt rude but hey, game
wraith vector
Dire Marsh is a villainous place
chilly pebble
Ooh I really like the lookout
cinder hare
Damn I saw a clip of the bullet magnetism and it’s way stronger than I thought
I love aim assist being built in
No wonder some guns feel so damn good to use
slate field
It feels less egregious than Destiny's bullet magnetism
Those games practically hand out headshots for free
tawdry sequoia
<@&1474420814979010821> looking for a third
neat nest
the fuck is skeletal bloom
wraith vector
A'right I've joined team 'Assassin needs changes' if not because he's OP if because I'm tired of each team having two of them
patent thicket
I feel like this is prophetic, but I don't know of what because I got both achievements on the same exfil.
Seventh successful exfil on my twenty-first run.
wintry shuttle
the fuck is skeletal bloom
You know the lady who's trapped over in data wall.
That probably might be the bloom
neat nest
Skeletal bloom seems to be a normal side effect of being decanted
placid oxide
I bet it feels fantastic, whatever it is
patent thicket
Rapid-onset Proteus syndrome.
placid oxide
Would make self-revive even more of a staple than it is
sharp plover
i think a lot of people just dont know about the execute boost
wraith vector
I think it's just way too easy to instantly Full Kill people
sharp plover
i didnt for a bit
neat nest
i think a lot of people just dont know about the execute boost
Yeah I didn't realize how many people didn't know about it
patent thicket
The what
neat nest
It's not in the tutorial
patent thicket
I don't know about it because I've killed one (1) other runner.
neat nest
With the amount scaling with your "finisher siphon" stat
patent thicket
I see.
placid oxide
Just think of the downed player like a tasty blue capri sun
And you’re a thirsty young kiddo fresh off soccer practice
neat nest
I greed for finishers tbh
patent thicket
Anything to avoid having to use a shield recharge pack.
neat nest
I do wish it was a little easier to know how much you'd get on a build since finisher siphon can vary a lot
patent thicket
I think it's in the MMO Club.
neat nest
It's mostly discussed in #mmo-club I think
warm sage
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up for one last Cryo run?
chilly pebble
sure after this run
warm sage
sure after this run
yall losing someone after that run?
ping me when you've got a slot open
not going for a vault or nothing just grabbing loot and trying to leave alive for now
Rate the Cryo loadout 🔥
neat nest
lmao
oak glacier
needs a bigger backpack for more grenades
placid oxide
Enough explosives to depressurize a portion of the Marathon lmao
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up for one last Cryo run?
Still looking or?
warm sage
Still looking or?
yeap
neat nest
I can hop on in a few just need to start laundry
warm sage
bet
warm sage
@chilly pebble Archenn#9630
grave pebble
neat nest
lmao had some amazing rook runs after cryo
what do you mean that trash can had purple salvage and you missed a safe?
Who are these runners?
sand sluice
Too risky to loot sometimes
While doing mida 5/5 I admitted I am 100% going to lose the only outland I've seen in game because someone activated uesc pinwheel security breach while I was locked in the room
neat nest
lmao oh no
sand sluice
I lost the outland but completed the quest so I take that as a win given how many times I couldn't complete it lol
neat nest
worth that's a hard one
sand sluice
Ye.
neat nest
Hmm I just had a thought
sand sluice
I've only got the last traxus set of priority contracts to do then I'm free
neat nest
Do the calc'd out TTKs include the increased runner damage from MIPS weapons?
sand sluice
Thats a good question honestly
neat nest
At least that's what I think "increased stopping power" means
Cause it might be like more screenshake?
neat nest
Too risky to loot sometimes
I guess the safe is loud
cinder hare
this thing looks like shit i love it
