Marathon

[sand sluice]

lookup a guide for truth lies

so you don't waste a run

because bungie can't give good descriptions on their quests

what the fuck

huh

well rip me, that would explain why I couldn't complete it

it glitched for me

[slate field]

Eyy I successfully ran a marathon around Dire Marsh

Now the Worm Mother wants me to cause a lockdown and go kill a commander. Fun! /pain

[sand sluice]

that one isn't actually that bad, just need the anti viral

[slate field]

Yeah

[sand sluice]

the worst parts is uhh

you have to spawn the lockdown first

which made little sense to me

[slate field]

Yeah

I suppose you can make the bio chain at Bio Research first, then spawn the lockdown

Forces you to go through the densest part of the map multiple times

[sand sluice]

no you can't unfortunately

I tried

[slate field]

I'm quite annoyed with how much going from A > B > C there is with the contracts

[cinder hare]

dire is too common

thank fucking god for the rank 20(?) nucal contracts

they're all shit like

"scan the stuff in west datawall"

(literally nobody ever goes there)

(ever)

or "i want 2 sparkleaves"

"and ok, while you're at it check out this nice river"

god i love your missions Gaius

[slate field]

Oh, and THEN you have to exfil. Because getting the data for doing the thing isn't enough, oh no

[cinder hare]

give me 300 blue heals and shields for doing virtually nothing

and then give me loreeeeeeee

[grave pebble]

i get it insofar as the point of the quests is to force you into contact with other players, but ye

shit's annoying, on dire marsh it feels like i always get ganked OR i get a good enough haul that i decide to bail

i should start soloing them i think

[slate field]

I don't mind fighting other players, I just don't want to have to run to opposite sides of the map constantly

I also hate how re-used Bio-Research and Quarantine are

It's to the point where I always find someone ratting those locations specifically to kill players doing those objectives

[cinder hare]

i should do that ngl

[slate field]

I didn't have to do that myself thankfully, so my own honor is intact at least

[cinder hare]

sit in bio research and shred people for free money

[slate field]

I've not needed loot for a long time so I don't have the same pressures as other players to go and act like a scumbag for easy loot

[cinder hare]

i play like a fucking rat

ive camped quest spots before for free kills

ive learned to spam the shit outta nades for free kills

[sand sluice]

meh

if you play anything but assassin it's fair

since you have to play the game like everyone else

if you're playing assassin then yeah

I'd say exploit it harder

[cinder hare]

i play thief but i play thief like a rat

invis is useless

[grave pebble]

thief is great for my own personal playstyle, which is to immediately run if i get into a fight i didn't pick

[sand sluice]

invis is op cause it breaks usec aggro

[cinder hare]

what i need is a good gun

[sand sluice]

and not like normal break

[cinder hare]

(for pvp reasons that is)

[sand sluice]

it makes it so they ignore you completely

[grave pebble]

i have 2 of those ares railguns that don't seem useful for pvp and are overkill for bots

[cinder hare]

i care more about movement and getting the fuck out

[grave pebble]

maybe they'll be useful against the ayys

[cinder hare]

headshots + coordination = value

[sand sluice]

railguns are only really for pvp

[cinder hare]

very teamfight kinda gun

[sand sluice]

ye

[cinder hare]

sadly

longshot

[sand sluice]

btw what's the slide cancel exploit?

[grave pebble]

yeah this is my thing, why would i use a railgun with a charge time over a sniper?

[sand sluice]

does it only work for thief?

[slate field]

If the railgun was more powerful I could see it being useful but the Longshot does the same thing, just faster, more convenient, and much longer range

The railguns have AR ranges for some fucking reason

[cinder hare]

thief only

[grave pebble]

on my last run we cornered a rook and scouted him out with the thief drone. he signaled friendly and i was ok with it, but another random fill was like 'idc dude i'm gonna kill him' so i just executed the poor guy with a shotgun lol

[cinder hare]

but the idea is slide -> grapple cancel

[sand sluice]

dang

was hoping it would be for more chars so I could exploit it

[slate field]

Ugh.

[grave pebble]

i think all characters have a slide cancel, thief specifically combines it with a grapple cancel for much crazier movement i believe

[cinder hare]

yeah thief is the one who uses it best

destroyer doesnt really break anything if they cancel w/ shield cuz it has a built in CD

[slate field]

People exploiting physics-based movement jank is exactly why I left Apex so long ago

[cinder hare]

vandal is THE slider so using your cannon CD doesn't really count

[cinder hare]

tbf with Apex the only real issue is tap strafing

the rest of it is kinda the point of apex

[slate field]

Oh, you sweet summer child

You don't know the bullshit that was early movement tech

[cinder hare]

i literally used to play apex 24/7

[slate field]

You remember the punch slide exploit?

[cinder hare]

yeah

its not like, something i can recall immediately

but im referring to modern apex

[cosmic flame]

you would punch slide while buttsliding down a hill and basically turn the game into tribes

[cinder hare]

where you have mantle-sliding as a built in mechanic

[cinder hare]

yuh ik

i never mastered it cuz im not that crazy

tried it before i think

[cosmic flame]

it was pretty funny but it absolutely exploded the concept of macro and it's reasonable that the slide cancel stuff is going to get shitcanned for the same reason

it's really obvious that they are trying to place much harder limits on when you can do those things and the game doesn't seem more fun with this in

[cinder hare]

i used to watch mokey guides lol

[slate field]

I would like there to be some sort of slide cancel (mostly to end Vandal's super slide early so you don't overextend yourself) but it should absolutely not be exploitable

[grave pebble]

yeah no the movement in marathon is v. much 'just right' for me, exploits notwithstanding

[cosmic flame]

yeah if you could just tap crouch again to brake vandal's slide that'd be fine

[grave pebble]

aside from the godawful mantling and bouncing off uneven terrain, that's been a thing basically since halo

[cosmic flame]

although I dunno, I played a lot of release cryoclasm titan

maybe it's fine

[cinder hare]

id like to see improved movement tech as late-game cores

[grave pebble]

i'd support this if it generated heat to brake tbh

[cinder hare]

like purple universal mod that just goes "your slides are apex legend slides"

[cinder hare]

disagree, personally

it's strong, but it's also too strong sometimes

if you want to use it in CQB it sucks to use

and it generates a TON of heat too

[cosmic flame]

"if you try to do the non-actionable slide in close quarters it is bad" maybe don't use the non-actionable slide for that

[slate field]

Being able to slide down smooth surfaces should be the standard IMO

[cinder hare]

honestly it's why i dont play vandal

[slate field]

Maybe not to the same frictionless pants type degree as Apex, though

[grave pebble]

i don't play vandal cause i don't play any pusher classes

[cinder hare]

the shorter, burstier slides of other characters proves more practical lots of times

[sand sluice]

nah just powerslide shotgun people

[cosmic flame]

i am manacled to triage as long as i'm a broke bitch

[grave pebble]

i don't have the mindset, every time i try i get immediately lasered

[cinder hare]

and with thief i can just pathfinder grapple tech

[cosmic flame]

but i would like to play destroyer more often

[sand sluice]

I'd play more classes other than triage if assassin didn't exist

[cinder hare]

like you have the fucking grapple slingshotting

basic pathfinder tech, but it's my favorite

not every game has it that way

[slate field]

Recon and Thief both exist

[grave pebble]

yeah thief ultracounters assassin

[slate field]

Both counter Assassin rather directly

[cinder hare]

assassin ya mean?

[slate field]

Also if you stop to listen, Assassin's cloak makes a very distinct noise that you can track

[grave pebble]

ik recon's ult counters assassin, and at better range. does she have any other abiliuties that can reliably see one on approach?

does the spider drone track invis assassins

[sand sluice]

ehh

[slate field]

Also, thermals exist

[sand sluice]

the cloak doesn't bother me, the free anti bot aggro does

[cinder hare]

i do want a blue ping nade that just sends a long ping line out, but like, once

[slate field]

That's what bothers you? The de-aggro?

[grave pebble]

tbh dodging bot aggro is generally easy unless you get boxed in

[cinder hare]

i feel like UESC should only have aggro decrease

[sand sluice]

yeah cause it gives them free anti aggro

[cinder hare]

it should be rook-exclusive somehow

[sand sluice]

in a game where USEC already wallhacks people

[grave pebble]

thief also has reduced aggro from uesc, which is fairly reliable ime

not as good as the invis of course

[cinder hare]

wait really?

[sand sluice]

reduced is the key thing

[slate field]

The X-Ray vision hack?

[grave pebble]

signal hacked uesc are slower to aggro and have worse aim

[sand sluice]

if assassin only reduced I wouldn't care

but good lord the amount of times I see him cloak and just walk through the map with no penalty is absurb to me

[slate field]

You know what else de-aggros UESC?

Smoke.

[sand sluice]

yeah and assasin is the only class with it built into their kit

[cinder hare]

oh yeah hacks

i dont use that for that much

[slate field]

Literally any smoke placed either on them or you de-aggros them

[cinder hare]

i usually just b-hop away faster

bhopping is OP as hell vs UESC

[sand sluice]

sure, give me smoke instead of triage steroid, idc

[cinder hare]

just fuck off

[grave pebble]

yeah i've never had trouble dodging a uesc fight i didn't want unless they were in a building/complex i needed to get into

or i stumble into a ghost

[cinder hare]

ghosts are kinda visible to me

[grave pebble]

you take some chip damage to your shields and make noise though

[slate field]

I feel like you're trolling, Reverb

[cinder hare]

i like to stab quarantine to death

[split apex]

smoke nades are 100 credits in the mida store, you get 1 free each day with mida priority access, and they're the most common nade in raids due to being grey rarity

if you're not using them that's a you thing

[grave pebble]

their invis isn't perfect but it's good enough for me to get caught out a few times

[sand sluice]

yeah but you aren't allowed to buy smokes with sponsored kits

[grave pebble]

i feel like smoke nades and claymores are the only grenades i ever want to actually bring

[cinder hare]

spon kits feel akward in this game, gameplay-wise

[split apex]

either dont bring a sponsored kit or bring rook then

[sand sluice]

I will as soon as they let us do contracts on rook shrugs

[grave pebble]

imo what the games needs are premade loadouts you can save and just buy over and over

or better yet, custom loadouts/kits

[cinder hare]

yeah it could help a lot

[grave pebble]

that don't have the lockout

[slate field]

That would be a nice QoL feature

[split apex]

you can still earn faction XP on rook and you're better off doing contracts as trios anyway

[grave pebble]

depends on the contract. doing the dire marsh ones that need you to hoof across the entire map is hell IME

[sand sluice]

they aren't that bad IMO

infact I think they're a bit easy

[grave pebble]

one of 3 things happens:

• the team agrees to do someone else's quest and you need to either suck it up or try soloing it
• you get jumped and ganked
• you get enough loot that exfiling is the smarter play than trying to risk it

[sand sluice]

like to be clear I can fight usec just fine

[cinder hare]

i like solos more for questing but man

it gets really bad sometimes

a little bad luck and your whole run can disappear

and it's not even a skill issue

just bad luck

[slate field]

I've had much better luck doing solos than I have with trios

Like, forget doing contracts with randos

And even if you are lucky to have friends who are both competent and available, you're still likely to be 3-beamed by a team with better gear and coordination

At least with solos you can control how and when you engage to a certain extent

[sand sluice]

I haven't figured out how I felt on that

game isn't particularly punishing enough for that to really matter I feel

hence why they gave everybody infinite sponsored kits

[slate field]

Infinite sponsor kits are there so you never have to go in with nothing but a knife and desperate hope

[cinder hare]

rook

[sand sluice]

yeah rook

[slate field]

But you can't complete contracts with Rook

And Rook also spawns late into a match solo vs. trios

[cinder hare]

skill issue /j

[sand sluice]

yeah that's my earlier thing

rook primarily would serve a good reason to exist if the game was more punishing

[slate field]

Don't even joke with me with that. It's rude and childish.

[sand sluice]

but as of right now you can basically play rook but better with assassin and have an easier time due to no trios

hence part of my issues with assassin having free de-aggro, it makes rook feel even more pointless

[grave pebble]

Most classes are Rook but better if you're willing to pay for the gear you bring in

[cinder hare]

but seriously though, rook is 90% played by pvp trolls

[sand sluice]

well yeah but we're talking in the vacuum of "what if no sponsored kits"

[cinder hare]

because claymore wstr

[slate field]

Rook's definitely better upgraded vs. other classes with a free kit

[sand sluice]

if you include sponsored kits, Idk why people would play rook outside of practicing for 1v3s

[grave pebble]

thief has better movement, triage has a better self heal, destroyer has faster uesc clear, recon....is better at avoiding ganks ig? And vandal is better at picking pvp fights

[grave pebble]

no cost shield/backpack/green weapon/shotgun

technically claymores too but claymores are cheap as shit

[cinder hare]

but limit 3/day

[sand sluice]

I mean maybe but realistically with outpost being so free you don't really struggle to find most of that

I guess with outpost you might struggle with exfil but Idk, I feel less players on outpost and tighter map with easier access loot makes it easier to run for looting than dire marsh

[slate field]

The way I look at it, having both free kits and Rook isn't a bad thing because it gives you options for how you wanna do econ runs

I use Rook for different reasons than when I use a free kit. I usually bring a free kit when I'm trying to complete a contract rather than for the purpose of gathering loot

[grave pebble]

the tighter quarters favour rook's gameplay style too, can get a loooot of use out of that shotgun and the mines.

i've only seen like, 3 dire marsh rooks, it does not seem like his map

[cinder hare]

rook hates dire

dire is sniper haven

and i hate the sniper haven

[slate field]

I don't think I've ever seen a Rook on Dire Marsh

[cinder hare]

no sane rook goes dire in the first place lol

outpost has all the loot

[slate field]

Makes sense why you usually see them in Outpost, it's easier to sneak around and they thrive in CQB. Also yeah, the loot obv

[grave pebble]

perimeter is fine for rook if you're smart (take the tunnels, camp hauler)

[cinder hare]

dire is a killzone with medicore loot imo

[cinder hare]

perimeter is solid yeah

pull a V66 and you've won the game

[grave pebble]

hauler is like a little micro-pinwheel in perimeter

[slate field]

I actually use Dire for most of my salvage farming

[grave pebble]

dire seems better for farming bodies, just camp quest zones with a sniper and wait for people to get distracted looting

i've been a victim of this several times, and i need to farm more longshots so i can try my hand at it

[slate field]

You can buy them from Traxus after a few upgrades. They're not terribly expensive, either

[sand sluice]

yeah if you wanna farm kills def abuse quest objs

[slate field]

Though they drop frequently enough in arms lockers or from Scouts that I don't usually bother buying them directly from the armory

[cinder hare]

hide in bio research with a knife in a corner, free kills

[sand sluice]

I would just do maint

[cinder hare]

maint is a lil easier

really good rat spots

but bio has more objectives in total

[slate field]

ugh

[cinder hare]

i find that the processing basement pipes make a really good hiding spot

[grave pebble]

the worst feeling in the game is when you get res'd after being looted and then exfil

so you leave, but with less than you came in with

[slate field]

Honestly that's better than dying and gaining nothing

[grave pebble]

objectively i know it's better than just dying and losing everything, but it feels worse

[slate field]

I wouldn't say it's worse, but it is certainly deflating, yeah

Makes the rest of the run feel bad unless you find some goodies later on to make up for it

[grave pebble]

wait, i just realised this is the same rook who was prox chatting me as a fellow rook and then shotgunned me in the back, i feel less bad about it now lol

[sand sluice]

yeah I feel like they should incentivize rook co-op more

but then again Idk

I feel like they shouldn't devote time to that and should focus on main game stuff

[grave pebble]

'my vault is full so i better go do some quest runs so i can clear up some space' <-clueless

[grave pebble]

i suggested this a little while ago, but imo it would be neat if rook's 'default' chat was a rook-only prox chat

that wasn't audible to regular runners

and they can use actual prox chat to, ig, beg for their lives or trash talk

[sand sluice]

would be interesting

[cinder hare]

that would be so fucking funny

[ivory laurel]

New trait: ROOK strong together. Increased regen and melee dmg when moving in groups

[tawdry sequoia]

the doom and gloom was so immediate on the Cryo announcement

I swear, if you react based on the reddit, Marathon is a game exclusively marketed to solo players who work weekends

[sand sluice]

I mean solo player stuff complaints are justified in the sense they said no where there will be things you can't do as solo

if they started with "yeah you can't play as solos because of X or Y" then the only complaints would be people complaining about difficulty

but with how many times I've seen destiny players go "yeah no this is bungie, makes sense" it sounds like destiny players were largely ignored or something

[grave pebble]

i think it was basically a given with the announcement that cryo would have 'raid-like mechanics'

cause none of those have been solo-able without cheese

[sand sluice]

that's fine

[grave pebble]

making a raid-equivalent weekend-only is still a bad idea imo

[sand sluice]

you can let people attempt to solo and fail

[grave pebble]

not in the sense of 'this is too hard', but it's mechanically impossible to solo without breaking the game

[sand sluice]

maybe

hard for us to know until we see

I think anybody upset by it being solo should try it out and see how it goes

and then if they want to give feedback for w/e they can do it then

[grave pebble]

yeah i'm still not sure what 'a raid, with pvp, with no respawns' actually looks like

[sand sluice]

honestly what I think

is it only part of the map will have raid mechanics

everything else will be typical map stuff

[grave pebble]

so from what i read it sounds like the vaults are gonna have both the key requirement and a puzzle to unlock. not sure how the ai subroutines interact with those

[sand sluice]

makes sense ye

I'm more concerned about prestige salvage tbf

since those appear to be only cryo or prestige locked rooms

like

my thing is this, if you can do the raid stuff in any possible way as a solo player they should just allow solo for it

even if you can break the game mechanics to do so

if they patch out every possible way and there's absolutely 0 chance to do it as solo then w/e

then at that point just assume cryo is where you go to lose 5k credits at a chance of getting loot

either way cryo will still bother me less than the current bugs and how certain quests are super hostile in design

[tawdry sequoia]

I'm fine with everything not being for everyone

[grave pebble]

they did let people load into raids in destiny as solo

[tawdry sequoia]

some game modes just do different things for different people

[sand sluice]

I'm ok with it too but if that was their design from the start I would have said to just save the game from people complaining about yet another thing and just disable solos entirely

[slate field]

I just wish it wasn't time-gated. Not everyone has their weekends free

[sand sluice]

I mean I agree but I'm not fully sure what their expectation is

[tawdry sequoia]

top of my my wishlist would be a VR recreation of the maps to familiarize with it outside of the threat of being skinned

[slate field]

From what I can gather they don't want too much of the end-game exclusive loot getting out there in the wild

[sand sluice]

yeah but that makes little sense to me

game is an extraction shooter

loot is expected to rotate

[slate field]

Which like, there's better ways to do that besides making the map completely inaccessible to people with certain schedules

[tawdry sequoia]

I'm happy to give it a bit of room to shake out into something else, I don't expect it to be it's final shape

[sand sluice]

I'm mainly waiting to give any anti-recs until it's out

[slate field]

I hope not. I'd like to be able to do the content

[sand sluice]

I'll see how I feel about it then

[tawdry sequoia]

you could easily do a rotating schedule where it's weekends one week, midweek another

[slate field]

Or they could just make the runs themselves limited per week/some grindable resource that you can't hoard

[sand sluice]

cause right now I think the game mainly suffers from some weirdly hostile quest design that comes out of nowhere + certain balance decisions that can turn people away (but to be fair, quests being hostile is more cause of current map iteration)

[tawdry sequoia]

there's a lot of options, and frankly people are trying to inhale the game and then complaining when they choke

they've reacted and tweaked stuff from sound to loot to vault size to solo queues

[slate field]

The frequent patches lately have been promising but I can't say I'm confident they'll be as swift to respond to this particular issue. Especially given Bungie's track record with Destiny, wrt the raid matchmaking thing

Idk, time will have to tell

In the meantime I'll just focus on grinding contracts and upgrades I guess

[sand sluice]

I'm cautiously skeptical

but also like

when I have to deal with trying to do a quest that

-requires me to go to pinwheel
-requires me to go to the command wing
-bugs out on me in multiple ways

I feel I get a bit justified

[slate field]

If you run into bugs, report them to Bungo

[tawdry sequoia]

I've only had a couple bugs, mostly UI glitches

[sand sluice]

well the issue is like

while I can guess they are bugs

[tawdry sequoia]

like my mod icons disappearing

[sand sluice]

they also could just be the way the quests are designed

and it's really difficult to tell

[slate field]

Most of the bugs I've encountered they've already fixed

[tawdry sequoia]

and a couple crashes

I've not had a loadout killed due to a ctd, thankfully

[slate field]

I've not had any crashes since the last patch

Pleasantly surpised at how stable it is overall, actually

Considering the quality of AAA launches these days

[sand sluice]

All of my big bugs have been uhhh

Enemies not taking damage and then disappearing after shooting me
Collision bug (w/e cause that's just map sometimes)
Quest bugging out and not letting me interact (either because enemy disappears or glitches out or something)

Which like eh

Well

Depends on if you consider uesc wallhacking you a bug

I don't think its a bug

[slate field]

Worst thing I've experienced recently is desync issues

[sand sluice]

But it's my main gripe when running into assassins cause for some reason assassin cloak is a complete prevention of uesc stuff and I'm like, "bruh why"

[slate field]

Rubberbanding and teleporting/disappearing enemies

[split apex]

why do you keep calling it wallhacking?

[slate field]

My guy, you need to stop whining about Assassins

[sand sluice]

But also aggro is inconsistent so

[sand sluice]

Cause they attempt to shoot me through walls

[split apex]

thats called suppression

[sand sluice]

And I don't mean like, "yeah every once in awhile" it's like they aggro me through the environment and then specifically laser me upon leaving it randomly

[slate field]

They're shooting at where they last saw you, typically

[sand sluice]

Sure, only they never saw me is what confuses me about it

[slate field]

Are you sure about that?

[sand sluice]

Yes

So many times yes

It's not just me either

[slate field]

They make a very distinct noise when they detect you

[sand sluice]

Ive seen times when I hear another runner ways away and they suddenly aggro the other runner through the wall while having direct vision of me

Hence why I'm not entirely sure it's a bug

[slate field]

That's because they're in their combat state

[wraith vector]

I'm pretty sure one alerted bot alerts the other bots

[slate field]

That, too

[wraith vector]

And they all just start hauling ass

[sand sluice]

Sure but why would they ignore me and suddenly turn towards the other player when no bot sees the other player

Like again this confuses me

[slate field]

I think that's because you're misunderstanding how the AI behaves

[sand sluice]

I mean maybe

Cause to me it would make more sense for them to shoot at me when I'm visible and shooting at them

[slate field]

They'll shoot at anything that moves and isn't a bot once they're in their combat state

[sand sluice]

Like if it's based on some hidden aggro stat and gunfire < running I'd believe it

[grave pebble]

the keys are already a limiting factor (unless you can expect good loot from a keyless run too) so yeah, i agree

[sand sluice]

Sure but through walls when they have 0 line of sight towards the object they suddenly aggro to?

[slate field]

I've literally never witnessed what you're describing

[sand sluice]

I mean to be fair it might only be a me thing or some serious re-occurring desync

[slate field]

Every time a bot shoots at another player it's because they had line of sight at the time of shooting

[sand sluice]

And to be fair

I know signal jammers are supposed to cause less aggro for turrets so Idk how the aggro system actually works

Cause that doesnt seem to work for me either

[slate field]

They tend to fire for a bit after initially attacking, because they're using attacks with a preset number of shots, which varies based on the weapon used and various situational factors, like how much of the target is visible to them, how far away they are, etc.

[slate field]

I've not noticed an appreciable difference in bot behavior with the signal jammers either, aside from turrets and drones

[sand sluice]

Yeah maybe it's just bugged

[slate field]

I mean, signal jammers are already so useful anyway, and there are so many other, more accessible/reliable ways to de-aggro enemies

Seriously, try bringing smoke grenades if you're having trouble avoiding UESC. They're literally ninja smoke bombs vs. bots

[sand sluice]

I mean again

[tawdry sequoia]

yeah they do not know how to handle them

[sand sluice]

That part more just confuses me

Which like eh

But yeah that's just one of the kinda things that

[tawdry sequoia]

the smoke contains robo-fentanyl and UESC are cops, so they are instantly disabled by it on proximity

[sand sluice]

When I say it, doesn't sound like a bug to other people or they think it didn't happen

[slate field]

That's because what you're describing is normal bot behavior

It's not too different from how some of their enemy AI has behaved in Halo or Destiny

Like, there are patterns that a lot of us are just used to

[sand sluice]

It feels different from halo, destiny I wouldn't know but if thats what it is then yeah I can see it

[slate field]

They're definitely a lot more aggressive and relentless than enemies in past games

[sand sluice]

It's iffy

[slate field]

There is some jank around how they navigate their environment, but other than that they feel a lot like Elite/Brute Halo AI on Legendary difficulty to me

[sand sluice]

On the absence of other playes they're like, heroic feeling to me from halo where the specific hostile quests feel a bit more like LASO

They dont feel that hard to me but tbf

We can dedicated heal in this game

Unlike halo where you just gotta wait

Or laso with that shield mechanic skull

Unless it's like, grenadiers yeeting grenades like a volley from hell

But tbf that's funny at times

[neat nest]

Was it in pinwheel? The secured box there is nastier than normal and sometimes really catches people off guard

[sand sluice]

That reminds me

Made 3 people tilt tonight

1 guy unfortunately just didn't know knives could 2 tap all shields

The other 2 were upset, but the assassin was the most toxic and told me to kms so lol

I only felt bad about the destroyer and first guy

For obvious reasons

[slate field]

Because they were playing an assassin or because they told you to Alt+F4 from life?

[echo scroll]

Both is good

[sand sluice]

Bit of both yeah

[slate field]

sigh

[sand sluice]

Like if they want to be friendly I will 100% throw a med drone idc

[split apex]

Hey orange hat on, I'm gonna tell people to stop talking shit about people playing assassin or calling out particular shells, etc.

Winged has explicitly expressed that she does not want this pattern on PNet period

So cut it out please

[echo scroll]

Apologies, wasn’t particularly serious

But I get it

[slate field]

90% of what people are complaining about with Assassin is actually just complaining about players being rats

[echo scroll]

Anyone can 🐀

[slate field]

I know this because I main Assassin and actually know how to use him outside of solos lol

[sand sluice]

I mean my complaints are primarily with the cloak being weird with the usec aggro

The actual rats I've run into have all been thiefs and destroyers it's weird

[echo scroll]

I was kinda tilted the other day, I thought the trap packs were supposed to have a tell before you opened them and it nearly downed me but whoever put it stuck around and to finish the job

[sand sluice]

They do ye

[slate field]

They do have a tell, but it's very brief

[sand sluice]

If it doesn't open immediately it's a trap pack

[slate field]

If you're not expecting it it's very easy to miss, when you go to start looting them they make a different sound

[sand sluice]

I think it's a little weak but I don't know if buffing it is a good idea

[echo scroll]

I remember when I or a friend put one down the prompt said explosives detected, I thought that was universal

[sand sluice]

Nah only happens from scans

[slate field]

That's just for you and your allies

[sand sluice]

Oh speaking of which

Just wanting to double check. No way to report people for toxic chat correct?

I looked and only saw for cheating or griefing

[slate field]

I don't know if any shell abilities tell you whether or not a bag is trapped, like Thief's X-ray vision

[echo scroll]

It’s like claymore thief, I’ve rarely seen the other side of it

[sand sluice]

I think recon's does but idk

[slate field]

Only if they show up in your recent players list after a match

[sand sluice]

Ye I looked but it only said griefing and cheating

[slate field]

Oh, nvm I misread

[pale flare]

If you don't see blood or a body by a bag, but you're still not sure it's a trap, lightly tap your interact key on it (very light!) and it'll make a beep alarm.

[sand sluice]

So I just blocked the person

[neat nest]

The biggest tell is that they have leetspeak typos in the “searching” text when you activate them and take slightly longer to open than normal bags

[slate field]

I would put that under griefing I guess

[neat nest]

It’ll say something like “s3arch1ng”

[slate field]

I never noticed that, I only just discovered the beep thing by accident earlier

[sand sluice]

I just noticed it doesn't open immediately and was like, "oh that's kinda obvious if you're trying to speed loot"

[slate field]

Then again the number of times I've encountered an enemy trap bag can be counted on one hand, so

[ivory laurel]

<@&1474420814979010821> Any shells up for some runs?

[slate field]

I would love to, but my last couple runs got me super tilted and it's late

[chrome rapids]

Im down

[ivory laurel]

In VC

[split apex]

dorms has a freezer?

[pale flare]

cow

[slate field]

LIVE/STOCK

[twin rain]

they shrink wrapped a cows

[split apex]

dang

[slate field]

It yearns for company

[sand sluice]

Ye I think it's right next to the Cafe area IIRC

[slate field]

It's pretty close to one of the entrances

[echo scroll]

You get a sticker for visiting the cow

[obsidian latch]

Vandal is a lot of fun

[mossy bridge]

yes
it has the shrinkwrapped cows
they go MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sand sluice]

The shrinkwrapped cows are commentary on the runners who are in the constant cold vacuum of becoming breathless from death, and taking their first breath from getting a new shell. It being a cow which is an animal that provides milk and meat, two things contained in many human diets represents the cycle of violence perpetuated by the runners at the behest of the corporations.

Truly Charter is a philosopher of the times

[grave pebble]

Nah dire marsh, think it was the one near maintenance iirc

[sand sluice]

Oh dire marsh maint

[neat nest]

Oh wow

[sand sluice]

Yeah that place uhhh

That place will spawn like

3 green ghosts

And that's ontop of secured container

So if they hit the button without clearing it out first it will def overwhelm them

That's excluding any quest spawns that roam as well

[chilly pebble]

It also says "Search Container" instead of what it's supposed to say, unless they fixed that

[neat nest]

Oh does it haha

[mossy bridge]

they were going to be re-animated once there was sufficient agriculture to support them

that never happened though

[sand sluice]

Truly the cycle of life and death repeats

I kick down the door to Nona's AI room
"Nona you 4.5 meter web designer, we need to talk. We need to give the frozen cows shells!"

[neat nest]

Oh apparently the leaked cryo archive minimap I posted was quite old and may not reflect the current layout

2.5 hours to go

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364289254045515886/1480661349536104518/RDT_20260309_2117441610795945447031953.gif

[pale flare]

it's going to wind up being another dire marsh larger

[neat nest]

The way people are talking about it I think it might be a case of like

runners lost, presumed eaten by locals

With little PVP day one

[dusk nebula]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9IMVrdrvz04?si=Q1JBsaEI3q5xfiFF

[woeful tundra]

https://youtu.be/T3e76jqpx2g is this still a thing?

[neat nest]

Not for long but the patch hasn’t hit yet afaik

Bungie has confirmed they’re removing it

[sand sluice]

https://bsky.app/profile/marathonteam.bungie.net/post/3mhhagldfhk2t

Marathon Development Team (@marathonteam.bungie.net)

We are aware of exploits allowing Runners to cancel slides to gain boosts of speed.

To maintain competitive integrity and keep the combat sandbox balanced we will be fixing these exploits in a future patch.

Pardon our dust!

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Bluesky · Mar 20, 2026, 12:16 AM

Ye here's the response post

[woeful tundra]

Gotcha

[placid oxide]

The heat refund is the biggest thing there too, huge advantage in any sort of engagement

[mossy bridge]

saw people whining about this and i just tell them

play destroyer

he has a slide cancel
it's called his back thruster

not only that but you can pull out a big fuck you im invincible forcefield while doing so

can you shieldbash with his shield? i forget

[neat nest]

Yes kinda iirc

He has impact damage with thruster and tac sprint and it works with the shield up

But also works with it down

[mossy bridge]

so he just has a linebacker tackle built in

[chilly pebble]

What the fuck would they have found on perimeter to get that high as a free kit lmao

[mossy bridge]

purple valuables in high amounts maybe

[chilly pebble]

oh right we did kill the warden

[neat nest]

Yeah you can run people the fuck over

And then knife em

[placid oxide]

I didn’t realize jets did contact damage

I’ve gotta play more destroyer

[neat nest]

Dang it where’s that “he’s reaching for his self revive” meme

[sand sluice]

I didn't save it but I'll find it

[sand sluice]

Fuck

Didn't load in before I posted it lel

[neat nest]

No worries haha

[sand sluice]

Here have custom meme inspired by my encounters in solos

[patent thicket]

Can someone explain how the Destroyer ult works? I’m not sure I’m understanding it fully.

[sand sluice]

IIRC you have to land a number of shots

Then it shoots rockets

[neat nest]

Basically if you do a certain amount of sustained damage (across multiple hits) it shoots a barrage of rockets at your target

The rockets do decent damage and inflict Limbs Immobilized on runners (no sprint/slide/etc, slows movement)

It’s best with fully automatic weapons with big mags like LMGs and helps a lot with clearly high-HP pve enemies

Also the lock on works on invisible people so you can use it for limited intel gathering

New twitch drops

[indigo oriole]

Its really good at eating the uesc commanders

[mossy bridge]

beat a thief with a purple shield with the punch this thing is not okay

i should not have won that

anyway then i got stabbed to death by a rat assassin hiding

[chilly pebble]

Beat em to the punch huh

[mossy bridge]

he had a fucking brrt and bully

i had the halo ce plasma pistol

[chilly pebble]

Also shield quality beyond just having one matters less than you'd think

[mossy bridge]

this thing has to be getting nerfed dude

this is not okay

i should not have beat him

to be fair i nearly didnt i was almost dead but the point still stands

[chilly pebble]

Speaking of shields I am very smart

went an entire match going "Huh I swear I looted a shield from that early fight"

it was in my inventory

[neat nest]

The punch is probably kinda overtuned rn but it’s also really good against people with strong shields as a niche

[chilly pebble]

Also nerfing it would just absolutely ruin rooks

[neat nest]

Nah they’d be ok

[wraith vector]

Punch gets extra power for being more shaped than the other pistols

Marathon loves a shape

[neat nest]

Rook’s don’t need a budget demon as a spawn weapon

[neat nest]

Better graphics

[wraith vector]

Everyone has a budget demon it's called Knife

[mossy bridge]

i feel dirty after using it ngl

[neat nest]

It’s a suuuuper good gun atm

[mossy bridge]

50 credits to bring in something that can trounce most players with ease

feels wrong

[neat nest]

It is only dominant at medium range but I agree

Exceptional gun for its cost

Heh

[mossy bridge]

oh my god i was about to cry i got stuck on a box and thought i was about to miss out on my exfil

🥹

[neat nest]

The Punch was the worst weapon in the game in the MCTT but I think they overbuffed it some

[placid oxide]

Profile background is sick my god

I do wonder how tight quarters the Marathon will be

Purely because a lot of the better guns I have saved are longshots and burst rifles, wondering how useful they’ll be.

[sand sluice]

Longshot always useful

[neat nest]

Rumors say it’s a mix of claustrophobic corridors and cyclopean rooms

I’m curious how the Frost status will manifest

[placid oxide]

Limb immobilization maybe?

Frosty goggles

[chilly pebble]

just making people slower is a classic

Imagine having to balance having a relatively high heat to be able to move faster

[mossy bridge]

we already have immobilisation

that's it's own debuff

the grenadier commanders and surveillance drones do it to you

[placid oxide]

I just hope there are hot cocoa stands so you can have a nice treat amongst all the chilly violence.

[mossy bridge]

fun fact there's vending machines on outpost

they drop food related valuables

[neat nest]

I can’t believe they fuckin work

[mossy bridge]

they need to add flushing toilets and working sinks too

as well as stackable boxes

Then marathon becomes an imsim

[placid oxide]

Compiler feces salvage item coming in season 2

[placid oxide]

<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone trying to see Cryo right out of the gate?

[neat nest]

I will today but a little later

[twin rain]

Good luck to those that do! I'll be at work for the next lil while.

[sand sluice]

||lol||

[placid oxide]

Map is massive jesus

[warm sage]

<@&1474420814979010821> please god do not make me wait till tonight

[placid oxide]

Map timer is also 30 minutes

[warm sage]

I've got one Cryo free kit and I wanna atleast try lol

[warm sage]

._.

[neat nest]

I’m down in probably about an hour

Fuck me there are some NARROW areas in here

This is lowkey reminding me of some Marathon 1 layouts that’s sick

[warm sage]

betttttt

[swift sluice]

If it's like Marathon 1, I hope everyone has a strong sense of direction in there.

[warm sage]

oh I don't

[sharp plover]

welcome to the maze motherfucker

hope youre hungry because its time to eat the path

[mossy bridge]

they better have That platforming puzzle

the one from CSFS,C!

[cinder hare]

That’s the funniest fucking contract ever holy shit

[warm sage]

"open a key room :D"

"do a fucking raid mechanic"

???????

In a single run cause go fuck yourself

[cinder hare]

Yeah I’ll be ready in like half an hour

[late geyser]

cryo is back

and uh

that cutscene jumpscared me

[warm sage]

oh yeah

[mossy bridge]

that shit was SO Cool

[warm sage]

yall ready for the last vault of the UESC Marathon to be us killing Durandal while he's possessing whatever is bigger than a compiler

[fallow coyote]

shroud is currently making a mega team on his first run

[warm sage]

better not bring in a copperhead again lol

ping me when everyone is ready

[patent thicket]

You are an enemy.

[neat nest]

JFC saw a UESC recruit drop a purple

On stream

[indigo oriole]

they gunna be inventing loot colors we've yet seen

[neat nest]

They got LOOT on the ship

[placid oxide]

There's blues and purples just chilling on desks lol

[patent thicket]

Octarine rarity.

[mossy bridge]

they got cerulean and vermillion rarity loot

[patent thicket]

You can’t see it because they invented a new color your broke ass can’t afford to see.

Best read in Dracula Flow Voice.

[placid oxide]

Looks like vault puzzles are symbol puzzles, at least partially

[fallow coyote]

shroud and alabrielle got booted and their loadouts reset lmao

[neat nest]

Died?

[fallow coyote]

aztecross also got booted

nah everyone DCd due to an error

wonder if the exfil is bugged atm

[placid oxide]

Got dropped off the map with nothing they picked up, but kept what tehy brought in

[fallow coyote]

i certainly hope it's completable it'd be egg on bungies face if not hahahaugh

[chilly pebble]

Never day 1

:v

[placid oxide]

Seems that some of the streams showed folks making it out

[neat nest]

Yeah

[sand sluice]

Spoilers for how the map progresses incase anyone wants to know (no vault confirmation tho)
||kill bots/scan terminals for clearance levels => use higher clearance levels to unlock doors and unlock loot rooms -> use terminal to initiate exfil -> pop open map and ping exfil location across the map, run to it to escape, batteries + colonist dna used to unlock specific things EG panopticon room||

[chilly pebble]

Do we know how many teams

[placid oxide]

Someone made it into a vault, and then couldn't figure out the puzzle before time

[sand sluice]

possibly 8 teams given map size + corner locations, people I saw cleared 3 other teams and didn't run into any others

[sand sluice]

ye vault puzzles are def gonna be specific it looks like

||tox poison is permanent in cryo as well lol||

[chilly pebble]

8 teams seems brutal

guessing no rooks though

[sand sluice]

well every room throws you against multiple purple enemies and you can easily get cut off from your team for being silly

[placid oxide]

Yeah no rooks is confirmed I think

[neat nest]

It’s more than 3 for sure but we don’t know the total

My guess is 6

[placid oxide]

6-8 seems likely with the size

[sand sluice]

I hope it's 6

[chilly pebble]

8 teams will make it a meatgrinder no matter the size

like marsh is 6

[neat nest]

Cryo is also 3-4x the size of Marsh

I think

[placid oxide]

vacuum sealed cows confirmed, lol

[sand sluice]

hilariously

it looks like less of a meatgrinder than dire marsh

[chilly pebble]

Genuinely kinda surprised cows still exist tbh

[placid oxide]

Do wonder if bringing in volt weapons is going to be more meta due to the number of bots

[fallow coyote]

might be enough ammo to pick up during the run

[cinder hare]

WE GOIN ON A <@&1474420814979010821> ?

[fallow coyote]

those munitions crates were pretty loaded

[neat nest]

They are very ammo efficient

[placid oxide]

I'm game carmen

They deal with bot shields really well too

[fallow coyote]

i gotta sleep T_T augh

[cinder hare]

Booting up

[chilly pebble]

Both very ammo efficient, and the soft lockon

honestly I love volt weapons

Which is a shame because I'm a terminal reloader

[placid oxide]

Need one more for the inaugural Cryo run

[warm sage]

I just made out with a kings ransom baby

not on the Marathon but at outpost

and just like that my loot deficit is over

free kit run btw

[placid oxide]

Oh damn, pretty good then

[warm sage]

somebody died opening Pinwheel and nobody else in the lobby got in so I go teverything I wanted

[sand sluice]

not really, there's enough loot in there that with 3 people you really only need to bring shotguns for pvp and play as a team to be fine

the main trick seems to be sticking to higher ground to avoid other people getting height advantage + getting swarmed with bots and playing around that

[neat nest]

Lmfao bearki

[placid oxide]

Makes assassin shells stunned for 1.5 seconds if you take them off in front of them

[neat nest]

Dude

[wraith vector]

more heavy ammo

you could maybe run out if you fire ceaselessly for three minutes

[neat nest]

Lmfao

Not escaping the door merchant allegations

[distant zinc]

bro what the fuck is this

[sand sluice]

It's a marathoner

[cinder hare]

WHAT THE FUCK

THIS IS FIRE

[sand sluice]

Yeah loot is free if you kill the other teams

[placid oxide]

100% cryo archive clear rate

[neat nest]

They do anything funky with the extracts like in Outpost?

[tawdry sequoia]

hell yeah, got done with work early

[sand sluice]

||ehh kinda? you gotta activate them from the terminal and then gotta go to it across the map with a 3 minute timer on the exfil once activated||

oh

spoilers for cryo

||grabbing credentials spawns in wardens||

||Do NOT grab credentials if anyone isn't in the room cause it locks everyone in the room until warden is cleared||

[indigo oriole]

good luck, cryo crews

godspeed

I will keep perimeter and dire marsh cozy in your absence

[strange wren]

I'm still surprised by just how much the Big Walk theme reminds me of the Marathon OST: https://open.spotify.com/track/16kcsBXnv5TEO5FPOKSALZ

[warm sage]

oh my god

||there are named weapons exclusive to Cryo||

[oak glacier]

:o

[sand sluice]

congratz lol

[cinder hare]

they died lol

[slate field]

Man

[cinder hare]

this map is FIRE

it's like pure adrenaline

[neat nest]

What is a Marathon but another term for a… big walk?

[cinder hare]

best part is you can lose purples happily here

[sand sluice]

yeah I'm glad that like

[cinder hare]

cuz there's 2,000,000 of them

[sand sluice]

first areas aren't just W key other players

[placid oxide]

The Truth is Out there...In the Heavens

[slate field]

I'm glad everyone else is enjoying Cryo

[sand sluice]

I'm waiting to see, it def looks ok but Ima see how rando fill goes

[slate field]

Good luck on your runs, everyone

[tawdry sequoia]

I'll prob send up the Marton signal in a bit once I've grabbed dinner, see if anyone here wants to give it a go together

[mossy bridge]

||time to get two WSTRs babee||

[inland obsidian]

Hi! Does some people here would be available someday for runs? I have only played solo games since the release, but I would like to jump on trio! 😃

[sand sluice]

I can but do you got goals for your runs?

I work better off goals, even if the goal is just run w/e in raid lol

[inland obsidian]

Just accomplishing the contracts and trying to survive. The last part is the hardest XD

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah.

Cryo?

[sand sluice]

ahh no worries, ye I can help

[wintry shuttle]

Cryo should not be solo'ed at all

It is too fucking big

and I am glad it is restricted to teams.

[sand sluice]

cryo you can't solo cause no solo queue otherwise I'd be trying it lel

but yeah I don't believe it would be

[inland obsidian]

Unfortunately, I don't have the rank for Cryo. I would love to try it, and die miserably

[sand sluice]

honestly from what I can tell

it's still better than dire marsh

[inland obsidian]

Is it more close combat focus?

[placid oxide]

Yes, but the main rooms are easily big enough to need precision rifles or snipers

[inland obsidian]

Definitely the kind of thing I want to see, megastructures are my things

[sand sluice]

cryo kinda prevents easy 3rd partying, not wide open spaces and the rooms with long angles have so much cover the most I've seen 3rd partying is people ratting through a door

[inland obsidian]

Yeah, compare to that Dire marsh is indeed horrible. In solo, it is always tense

Can I add both of you on steam?

[sand sluice]

I'm not available rn but I'll send my bungie id over when I am

gonna be like an hour or so

[inland obsidian]

Perfect! Thank!

[chilly pebble]

I'm trying to find just a single bioprinter and core stash but I keep going arachne mode

Got a flechette schema though so that's nice

[wintry shuttle]

So, some people are finding named weapons from Cryo.

[placid oxide]

A few got posted up above

[wintry shuttle]

Noice

[chilly pebble]

so many triages today that don't realize they have healing drones

[final onyx]

crew fill strikes again

[chilly pebble]

it sure does, but it's still the best way to get rep

[cinder hare]

Small idea

Instead of cryo kits

Make deluxe sponsored kits count as 5k in value

Because those are blue shield, 1 blue gun + another green(?) gun, etc

Could have the price increased slightly to match or let it be as a special offer pricing

[placid oxide]

I kinda wish you could buy the provided kit over again tbh

Maybe a limited number of times

[cinder hare]

It’s a very strong kit imo

Possibly worth 12-15k in the shop

[placid oxide]

I suppose it would remove the risk of cryo to do so

[cinder hare]

Deluxe sponsored kits exist and are just a LITTLE worse than it

Like, maybe it’s green instead of blue gun, etc

[neat nest]

Pretty sure they do

[cinder hare]

They don’t I think

I equipped a traxus deluxe and it counted as 0

Maybe it didn’t count cuz it was a contract reward

[neat nest]

Oh weird, someone online said they counted

[sand sluice]

I'll check when I get home

[sand sluice]

Did you ask them to use it in chat?

I've seen a number of streamers who picked up triage who don't have the muscle memory for it yet lmao

[inland obsidian]

Is triage that hard to play? I only took it twice I think?

[chilly pebble]

not really

just do this

[placid oxide]

Nah, it’s just an additional piece of tech to remember to do

[chilly pebble]

I am so arachne pilled today I don't know why

[placid oxide]

The difference it makes to get crew-wide buffs is intense

[chilly pebble]

I even killed a guy on extract and stepped out just to loot him

even if I knew my team would extract first

[sand sluice]

Yes/no

The hardest shell rn is recon and even recon has decent viability

[chilly pebble]

People will also always be happy to see a triage

[sand sluice]

In trios no shell is easy but in solos there's def some strong choices

[chilly pebble]

it's also great in free kit solos because you'll have a ton of passive healing from your drone

I really need to clean out my attachments at some point

[sand sluice]

Basically in solos you have
Triage -> free meds and inf sustain technically
Thief->grapple mobility plus info + counters assassin (they're removing slide cancel so her mobility will drop)
Destroyer->shield for dealing with enemy runners + jump jets and ult, where the ult has highest dps of all abilities
Vandal->displacement + strongest mobility which means you can win 1v1s purely off positioning better than all other shells
Assassin->completely trivializes all pve minus wardens, has highest potential to jump on people in a game where shotguns are 2 shot at worse and melee with first upgrade can double tap all shields on heavy melee
Recon-> gives info to specifically avoid fights but weak as her drone has bad pathing and her info doesn't notify of players.

[neat nest]

A weird specific solo thing for Recon is that the drone makes a great ersatz grenade for UESC

And is much more reliable since they don’t shoot it

[sand sluice]

True but it doesn't kill greens or blues right?

Cause I can see it being buffed so it does bonus damage to usec

[inland obsidian]

Yeah, I began the game with recon, then move to Thief mostly for the grappling and the drone in solo. So usefull for scooting places

[cosmic flame]

-the buddha

[sand sluice]

Yup

Thief drone is considered better info than recon

The strongest thief benefit is finisher interrogation but like

[inland obsidian]

And it's less visible by other players too

[sand sluice]

If you look at cryo it's particularly unnecessary in a coordinated enough team

The current team stacks I'm seeing is like, destroyer + triage + fill

Sometimes it's like double destroyer

[indigo oriole]

it is a little funny to queue up with randoms in the ~20s levels who just, from all i can tell, do not use their shell abilities at all

[inland obsidian]

It must me quite strong to down the robots

[mossy bridge]

well uh

did cryo

we did well and then got screwed by the extract not working for some reason

it was right down to the wire

[sand sluice]

Was it final exfil?

[mossy bridge]

no but it bled into final exfil

[sand sluice]

If not, ||terminal exfils you need to run across the map to the exfil ring||

Oh

Yeah those are

So basically, final exfil takes priority over all other exfil

UI is not informative of that and can show you the timer for the non final exfil

[mossy bridge]

right

[chilly pebble]

any suggestions on where to get dermachem packs relatively easily

[split apex]

Pinwheel

That's it

[mossy bridge]

anywhere with a lot of medical cabinets

[tawdry sequoia]

make sure you hit any med stations too

[mossy bridge]

so

pinwheel

oh shit what happened to reverb

😔

[neat nest]

Pinwheel esp destroyed wing and perimeter north relay

But mostly pinwheel

[tawdry sequoia]

anyone want to squad up?

[cosmic flame]

i'm trying to build up my funds to go into cryo archive later

if that's alright

[tawdry sequoia]

sounds good

[inland obsidian]

Nooooooo, I just launch a run

[neat nest]

I gotta eat dinner but I’ll be on later this evening

[chilly pebble]

who the hell camps a guarded exit with a sniper

[grave pebble]

<@&1474420814979010821> cryo run anyone? I have about 4 runs' worth saved up

[twin rain]

Maybe in an 30-45m! Gotta get home and make dinner

[grave pebble]

no worries i'm around all day

[pale flare]

I could also use some extra funds

[cosmic flame]

Hop On

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTUq6PZ5DYU waiting for other people to ready up

[neat nest]

I will be ready for some Marton soon

[neat nest]

Lmao

[neat nest]

https://youtube.com/shorts/C0ul6PTpsTw?si=Bqbe6WY3p98G7nZI

[mossy bridge]

biggest complaint: map timer needs to be so much longer

[cinder hare]

Yeah I’d love to have a whole hour on Cryo lmao

[twin rain]

a good problem to have

[grave pebble]

what's the play weapon-wise? Anything in particular to bring?

[wintry shuttle]

bullet hose

bullet. hose.

[grave pebble]

nice

[wintry shuttle]

Because the cryo sponsor kit gives you an LMG and SMG.

[grave pebble]

i'm just bringing a scar and a shotgun first time i think

[cinder hare]

A shotgun and an LMG imo

A mega belt LMG (the heavy ammo one) is extremely good for surviving constant UESC

The shotgun is a necessity for PvP

[indigo oriole]

pick a god and pray

[neat nest]

I am now free for <@&1474420814979010821>

[twin rain]

time to throw on our rick owens sponsored kits and become goth robocop

shorty built like a v75 scar

i don't care about the ramifications, tick milk just taste better

we're going into cryo blind, I don't need to see the price tag

you try to see me thru a thermal scope you will go blind. I'm packing too much heat at all times

smoking the shit that made durandal go rampant

im on twelve cardio kicks

(I'll stop lmao)

[indigo oriole]

bars

[tawdry sequoia]

looking for a third

<@&1474420814979010821>

[mossy bridge]

it gave me a SCAR and a magnum

but honestly you can do a lot with the usual guns

bully, repeater, etc

[sand sluice]

Ye

I don't think there's a bad weapon choice for the map as long as you got something that munches uesc

[cinder hare]

Ok I got a clip where someone kept mistaking UESC for players cuz they kept trolling her and were strafing and rushing and everything

Yeah marathon bots fucking slap

[sand sluice]

Ye they're very good

The uesc ghosts give a big spook when they shoot you with the sniper rifle and you aren't aware

[placid oxide]

The sniper recruits are terrifying in Cryo

[oak glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqt8lBjjNvE this one by any chance?

[placid oxide]

<@&1474420814979010821> Any interest in Cryo?

[cinder hare]

yeah that one exactly lol

[final onyx]

100% mistook rooks for UESC

[indigo oriole]

whew hit level 25 and got jumpscared by the cryo invitation

[sand sluice]

I can fill if needed

[placid oxide]

Yeah it is fuckin loud

[indigo oriole]

i didnt find it loud i just thought my game was crashing LOL

[cinder hare]

why not

[pale flare]

<@&1474420814979010821> need a third for not cryo

[sand sluice]

Blep I can join either as fill

[placid oxide]

Welcome to join reverb, we're in a VC here in pnet

[cinder hare]

join us join us

[sand sluice]

Gotcha, omw

[chilly pebble]

Really starting to like destroyer

just daintly skipping straight towards enemies and then unloading a bully into them

[sand sluice]

Destroyer is really good. I love the mini boosters

ye exactly

[chilly pebble]

The sacred thermodynamics of violence are my heat vents crying when I see an enemy

[mossy bridge]

should've brought a cardio kick!!!

[sand sluice]

Confirmed it doesn't count

[indigo oriole]

was telling a friend that playing destroyer gives me fond childlike memories of playing halo 3 and ramming people with a warthog or ghost

[mossy bridge]

friends image

[cosmic flame]

621.......

the Raven would've had the marathon situation wrapped in five minutes

[chilly pebble]

To be fair so would I if I had access to the mech :v

it's so rude you don't get arachne rep when you kill someone after you go down

[cinder hare]

crazy fucking run

[obsidian latch]

Absolutely insane holy shit

[cinder hare]

lost this...

[grave pebble]

you exfilling from cryo for that stuff?

we did like 3 runs but we went in blind so we were kind of headless chickening a lot

gonna wait for a guide before i go back in i think, but it's def doable

do not care for how much worse the performance is on cryo than any other map (even outpost feels like it runs better)

what's the play to get sec clearance quick anyway? Just keep rushing as much uesc as possible?

[cinder hare]

yuh

[pale flare]

<@&1474420814979010821> seeking one to join us in the cryo meat grinder

[sand sluice]

lemme know if anyone needs a fill for anything

[distant zinc]

anyone keeping up with the race?

[placid oxide]

Nah, are they doing a race to vault 7?

[distant zinc]

yeah, tyraxe is on vault 7 right now

[grave pebble]

oh huh, already?

[distant zinc]

i mean it’s been damn near ten hours

[grave pebble]

tbqh i figured this would be one of those >24 hour races

[distant zinc]

longer than almost all the D2 world’s firsts except for like last wish, desert perpetual, and vault of glass

[distant zinc]

there’s still time, the compiler might be an absolute nightmare

[grave pebble]

btw, do any of the vaults have 'real' raid mechanics, or is it all basically just keyhunt stuff? Cause if it's the latter, then you could actually do a solo queue cryo, right?

it does seem like keyless runs are still very good, but outpost seems like it's probably better? But we haven't really managed to get to any level 3 areas for a long time tbh

[distant zinc]

as far as i’ve seen it’s all symbol hunting

[patent thicket]

At least the downtime between runs is short.

I have absolutely no idea where this employee ID NuCal wants me to find is supposed to be and I keep getting killed before I can find it.

[distant zinc]

on perimeter? it’s in a building in Columns

unless this is a different quest

[patent thicket]

I don't know where Columns is.

[sand sluice]

I can help if needed just lemme know

[twin rain]

it says on the map. it's west northwest of south relay

not like a big pingable name like the relay tho

[patent thicket]

I'm taking a break right now because I could feel myself starting to get really frustrated.

[distant zinc]

this is quite wise

the best way i’ve found to stop the crashout is just stopping (or doing a bunch of silly free kit/rook runs)

[patent thicket]

I think I've gotten one runner kill.

[grave pebble]

Im waiting for a decent guide before I burn any more gear on cryo

Which should be out by tomorrow I'd guess

[distant zinc]

yeah i can’t imagine we aren’t getting it done tonight

[sand sluice]

I can assist in cryo assuming you aren't trying to do the vaults cause vaults are a bit varied due to the location of the vaults

[distant zinc]

my money’s on within an hour

[grave pebble]

Also gonna leech off sherpas who have experience bu that point

[grave pebble]

Tbh from what I've seen if you're not doing the vaults outpost seems like a better bet?

[distant zinc]

i still haven’t hit level 25 😭

that was my plan for today but i got sidetracked watching the race

[grave pebble]

Im level 4....2? And have about 3 runs worth of 5k gear in the vault

Lot more if you include guns, but shields/backpacks are the weak link

[patent thicket]

How do you get more backpacks?

I stopped taking them because I'm down to two.

[cinder hare]

cyac shop, or just fighting

[distant zinc]

there’s a cyac upgrade for it

[sand sluice]

looting primarily

[distant zinc]

but yeah murder is the best solution to any problem

[grave pebble]

Yeah just grab blues and purples off other players

[cinder hare]

looting, fighting is just the most reliable manner for stuff

[distant zinc]

if you want something just take it from someone else

[grave pebble]

Same for shields tbh

Greens are cheap enough to buy unless you're on a cold streak and going poverty mode

[patent thicket]

I've gotten one runner kill so far and their teammate got me immediately after.

I'm not having very good luck.

[distant zinc]

yeah i was shocked that they’re so easy to get

there was a point where i had like 10 of em just sitting collecting dust

[grave pebble]

One thing I do is almost never take anything above greens into pub matches

Anything blue or above gets vaulted. Unless it's a deluxe sponkit or something

[distant zinc]

holy fuck they’re getting into vault 7

[grave pebble]

Ooh

[distant zinc]

they’re resetting sadly

the vault is a jumping puzzle 😭 and they got in with 2 minutes to spare

[grave pebble]

I wonder if the meta for cryo is eventually gonna converge on player cooperation, just cause it's faster to hit the vaults and full your pockets than wasting time fighting each other

[distant zinc]

possibly

i kinda doubt it, people have been pretty bloodthirsty so far

[sand sluice]

quick fights or quick movement ye

[grave pebble]

Yeah more likely 'mutual non engagement' than outright cooperation i guess

[distant zinc]

yeah i reckon that’s pretty likely

[grave pebble]

But the smart thing bungie did is let you steal sec clearance from other players, so I guess it depends

[cinder hare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344816562586255513/1484750582055960586/image.png?ex=69bf5d3c&is=69be0bbc&hm=ad7badf3aeba2373feeb3c86160a270ffa18d3ae28b4d37d9ea3250399696530&

minimum kit

no ammo

but this feels like what you want minus the ammo

[twin rain]

most ammo has incredibly low value anyways

(mips and volt cells being the exception)

[cinder hare]

watching the compiler fight