Marathon

[sand sluice]

And credit to them they do a good job with the elements of designing maps around player counts and team sizes

But there's other parts that I can already see some rough friction

[neat nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW8VRcMy5vU
<@&1474420814979010821> Cryo Time

[sand sluice]

Lel is it open or is this just a trailer?

Ah it's open ye

[neat nest]

I think it releases tomorrow but the ARG is done

[sand sluice]

Actually Cyan

Sooooo

[mossy bridge]

o shit

[sand sluice]

You and me (and anyone else under NDA) can't post anything about Cryo that isn't publicly posted lmao

[placid oxide]

It's open I think

[neat nest]

That’s fine I didn’t get into any Cryo playtests

[grave pebble]

Are you under nda cause of the server slam or what?

[sand sluice]

Earlier tests

[neat nest]

Yeah earlier tests

[sand sluice]

Basically by the rules even if me and Cyan know stuff we aren't supposed to share it

[mossy bridge]

march 20th

[neat nest]

There were pre-alpha “founders” tests, some in Sept of last year, and I think some in Feb

[mossy bridge]

o no

[sand sluice]

So even if we figure something out I think it's structurally goobered that we shouldn't say anything until we have another source we can copy paste from

[sand sluice]

Yeah this was easy, did it in 1 IIRC on perimeter

[mossy bridge]

wow admiral c sulera is so fucking stupid

i feel bad for orion for having such a dipshit boss

[neat nest]

Oh sweet

[mossy bridge]

and then i remember it's orion so HAHAHAHAHAHAH fuck yiouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu lol

[placid oxide]

Oh that's nifty, the first hit is free

[mossy bridge]

that is nice

[neat nest]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/cryo_archive_overview

Cryo article

[mossy bridge]

hey does anyone know how many lockboxes tend to spawn per lockbox stash

[sand sluice]

For?

[mossy bridge]

just in general

i've got a lot of lockbox keys just burning a hole in my stash

[sand sluice]

Like 6 I think

But better to take 2 with thief and vision scan for purps

[mossy bridge]

true

i'll hit the middleground of 4 and go theef

anyway off to perimeter

[placid oxide]

The Sec Clerance thing is interesting

[mossy bridge]

also be ready on the marathon to bring some mech kits

cryo is a hazard there

[neat nest]

7-8 I feel

[sand sluice]

Based on codex entries and what they stated in the blog post, you have 7 vaults

Only 6 keys have dropped in loot so 7th key is either going to start dropping on release or like I guessed earlier is going to require all 6 cleared before it

I have uhhhhhhh

[placid oxide]

I'd imagine the 7th vault is accessed by the path mentioned in the bungie article

[neat nest]

Based on guesses from the codex stuff we’ve seen you’ll need all 6 of Durandal’s mixtapes subroutines to get into vault 7

[sand sluice]

Idk lel

But yeah what Cyan said is what I'm guessing

[swift sluice]

7th having several hoops sounds like something Bungie would pull

[grave pebble]

I appreciate that cryo archive seems to have been balanced around blues rather than purples, going by the unique sponkit

That being said, I don't get the point of making a raid thats only open on the weekends tbh

[cinder hare]

FUCK YEA

[sand sluice]

My guess is worried about queue splitting + easier to balance it like that incase they want to make adjustments on the fly

[cinder hare]

i love the cryo sponsored kit

esp if we can buy it

doubt but eh idc

[sand sluice]

Nah it's 1 time for free for first run

[neat nest]

My feeling is that it’s to kind of make a time for people to play normal maps and rebuild vaults

Without feeling like they’ll fall behind

[neat nest]

It sounds like you get 1 free but idk if it’s 1 ever

[cinder hare]

only complaint is cryo being weekend only

iirc some people work on weekends which'll suck for em

[chilly pebble]

it sounds like one ever

[sand sluice]

I mean it's clear they weren't worried about everyone being involved 100%

[chilly pebble]

basically a free first run to check it out

[sand sluice]

My problem rn is I'm missing C.O4 and C.O5

And of the keys I have I only have copies of C.03

[sharp plover]

oh, it's only open on weekends, that's interesting

[neat nest]

I kinda think they’ll be easier to find on Cryo but that’s a big guess

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> dire marsh questing

[sand sluice]

I would assume people taking keys in but also curious to see how the map is

[grave pebble]

Putting comp and cryo in the same time window seems like it would really drain the population for casual / poor players during the weekend though

[sand sluice]

Cause if it's super open I see thief spam becoming real for key sniping

[grave pebble]

I'll be around in about 2 hours

[neat nest]

Also means all the devils are off Outpost for easy loots

[sand sluice]

I mean weekends is when most casuals are available

So bigger queues

If you queue into trios mid day at like 11:00 AM you're guaranteed to run into more no lifers

[placid oxide]

Also means you're dividing up the hardcore crowd a bit so more casual folks have a chance to try it out without immediately getting wrecked

[grave pebble]

Yeah but the queues aren't that big for this game as is tbh

[neat nest]

I think it’s less for Q time and to make a sort of tick/tock economy but I’m guessing

On weekends you do Hard Shit

Cryo and ranked and such

During the week you do resourcing runs and such

[sand sluice]

Ye but that's fine tho cause I think like what, outpost is 12 people + rooks, dire marsh is 18 + rooks, and perimeter is 15 + rooks?

[neat nest]

Sort of build a boom/bust cycle into the game

[sand sluice]

Yeah and unfortunately I am so far behind q_q

[sharp plover]

and it sounds like cryo isn't really worth it without vault keys anyway, so you need to run the other zones

[placid oxide]

If you're sitting on multiple cryo keys I dunno that you're that far behind lol

[neat nest]

I am not sure of that but I really don’t know haha

[sand sluice]

It still is due to prestige salvage

[grave pebble]

I was gonna say, I only have the one key still lol

[sand sluice]

Cause look at the salvage

[placid oxide]

Can also just kill folks and take their keys it sounds like

[cinder hare]

yeah gold salvage is a necessity for lategame VIP shit

and keys arent exactly common

[grave pebble]

Or partner up with people who have keys i assume

[sand sluice]

Yeah triple thief steal meta prob gonna happen on cryo

[sharp plover]

yeah it'll definitely have good stuff but it's the question of if it's worth the extra danger from going to the hell zone

[woeful tundra]

@neat nest what does... precision damage mean

a lot of mods talk about it

[cinder hare]

headshot

[woeful tundra]

do they just mean like. headshots?

[placid oxide]

headshots I believe

[sand sluice]

As a solo player doing fill? Probably not unfortunately

[woeful tundra]

okay

[sharp plover]

though I guess you could always steal someone else key

[sand sluice]

As a standard trio stack? Easily worth cause you can wipe the solo fill trios

[neat nest]

Yeah headshots or vulnerable points on some not human shaped targets

[sand sluice]

Unless they do some sort of balancing for matchmaking

But that sounds unlikely

[neat nest]

It’s whenever you get double line hitmarkers essentially

[cinder hare]

i like how just this gun is enough to go cryo

some insane motherfucker is gonna have a 5k gun in their inventory and instantly drop it to knife a whole team to death

[mossy bridge]

aaaaall done

got a kill on an assassin in the smoke

[neat nest]

Fuck me dude now I’m actually hyped

[cinder hare]

I KNOW arachne chat will have a level 100 psycho wholl do it

[neat nest]

Bearki’s coverage is basically why I got into Marathon a year ago

[mossy bridge]

stole his fucking purple head mod

hehe

ery noice

[neat nest]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-marathon-game-marathong-triage-marathon-thief-marathong-meme-gif-1422913300225870494

[cinder hare]

that's hot

[sand sluice]

Im waiting for ottr because he's the only guy who's takes I trust cause he doesn't bullshit and I havent had enough time to trust any other influencers

[cinder hare]

always love tox injector mods

[mossy bridge]

i should clarify i didnt yoink it via drone i just took it after i MURDERED HIM.

also yay one more challenge for thief mastery

the stealing a self revive from a player

[neat nest]

Sorry I posted that for the triage smile

[mossy bridge]

triage looks cool even if he is comically bald

also it now just dawns on me that that's a modern version of the teleports

[neat nest]

He’s so bald

[mossy bridge]

hell yes

[cinder hare]

pattern baldness

[mossy bridge]

the world's baldest man

[sand sluice]

Ottr is also not pro level skill from raw skill, he's more devoted and effort focused so he's gonna play more like the avg player who devotes time

So it's different than like shroud who was a cs pro player

[mossy bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-dork-cube-blood-box-gif-14751392

THERE'S TICKS, THERE'S TICKS IN THE CRATE

[neat nest]

Lmfao

[sand sluice]

Trust me.

Do not just walk through the lasers

[mossy bridge]

hmmm

[sand sluice]

This is one of the few quests I struggled on

[mossy bridge]

precision energy DMR

orrrrrr

more precision rifle mods

[neat nest]

V66 fucks

[sand sluice]

For upgrades?

[mossy bridge]

it do

yeah traxus

[neat nest]

One of my favorite DMRs

[sand sluice]

I go with guns

[mossy bridge]

volt pr it is then

[sand sluice]

Mods don't change much for me if the gun is already cracked or bad

V66 is gr8

[mossy bridge]

oh and that unlocks the throughway to better volt mods and...

an enhanced v22. for sale.

traxus handing me that upgrade

NEW ARACHNE MESSAGE

he's so cool

THE SACRED THERMODYNAMICS OF VIOLENCE

[sand sluice]

Does Bearki have YouTube channel or only streamer vods?

[neat nest]

She has a channel but is mostly a streamer

[sand sluice]

Also lmao past me, what a read

[sand sluice]

Gotcha I'll need to check out her videos

[cinder hare]

hate the marathon crashes

hate even more the unskippable intro

[sand sluice]

I hate the unskippable intro more

Esp cause I hit esc trying to skip it

And then it closes the game without asking

[neat nest]

I really wish they were skippable yeah

[oak glacier]

oh cryo is out

[twin rain]

Tomorrow!

[oak glacier]

oh, once again, foiled by my ability to not read the whole way

[sand sluice]

Better than my inability to read even if I've read it 3-4 times

[cinder hare]

ugh just lost a run to an insane lag spike

ik its not my pc's fault

it's good enough to run cyberpunk w/ raytracing light at 60 FPS

[twin rain]

I'm kind of glad it's going to be a weekend only thing. That gives time for the good loot to filter out of people's vaults as they die to rook claymores and getting jumpscared by destroyers with knives

[cinder hare]

i thinkkkkk there's no rooks in cryo archive

[sand sluice]

wdym?

Yeah no rooks cryo

[twin rain]

No I mean dying elsewhere during the week.

[sand sluice]

For my sake I want cryo to be 4 teams of 3

[sand sluice]

To be real I'm just coping mad hard

[twin rain]

Get the gold on the weekend.
Die stupidly on dire marsh midweek.
Go back to cryo next weekend

[sand sluice]

Nah I get marton'd on diremarsh when final lockdown has last enemy walk off

[mossy bridge]

wow im on a streak

crazy

[sand sluice]

Because of course dire marsh trolls me

[mossy bridge]

i even got the anomalous matter!!!

ROI 5 done

yippie

man when we get more info on the anomaly shit will be crazy

(traxus return on investment 5/5 intel)

[placid oxide]

Outpost contracts feel like such a crapshoot, lol

[mossy bridge]

yeah a little

[sand sluice]

In trios yus

In solos not much at all for me

[mossy bridge]

either you get nobody in your way or you have the entire US army descend on your location

[sand sluice]

But tbf I run drone stealth entrance

So all the pinwheel contracts I'm uncontested

And by the time one person does security breach I bail or can kill them with lingering USEC

Trios is a crapshoot cause every fight there's always 2 more people if I catch the first person or react to the first person and win

[placid oxide]

Just trying to do the stuff outside pinwheel solo and its basically all assassins, lol

[sand sluice]

They're bad, thiefs and other shells are the dangerous ones usually

Basically your best bet is to W key assassins before they get a chance to settle in

[neat nest]

Oh maaaaaan

[mossy bridge]

looks like im doing sekgen next

they're my lowest one, still at rank 8

cyac is 19, nucal is 17, traxus is 17, mida is 16, arachne is 14 and sekgen is 8

time to cash out on this implant, you think?

[patent thicket]

I’m probably picking this up tonight, any suggestions for starting?

[mossy bridge]

cashed out

easy 1.8k

[sand sluice]

W key everybody with sponsored kits

But in all seriousness
Faction unlocks first

[twin rain]

Ask around here for folks to help with contracts!

[neat nest]

Yeah I’m happy to do early contract runs

[sand sluice]

Yeah I can assist

[ivory laurel]

Acting proctection service is very fun

[neat nest]

Early on your first priorities should be getting all the factions unlocked and a few key faction upgrades

I do also recommend using free gear and picking fights - it’s good to get over pvp jitters and get used to the dynamics of fights

[patent thicket]

Destroyer has my attention the most, seems like not a lot of people play him much though.

[indigo oriole]

destroyer movement is very fun

[neat nest]

Destroyer is solid

Broadly speaking I think the shells are pretty balanced except Recon is a little weak and Thief is too strong (owing mostly to a movement exploit)

[distant zinc]

what's the rank req for cryo?

[neat nest]

25

[distant zinc]

fuck

[ivory laurel]

He seems less eye-grabbing compared to thief, assassin, vandal, but Destroyer looks like a very strong kit

[mossy bridge]

and access to every faction unlocked

[distant zinc]

he's very very good

[mossy bridge]

he is

[distant zinc]

that's ez i just gotta grind out 4 more ranks

[mossy bridge]

• easy to understand and use mobility mechanics
• shield that allows you to clear the distance without dying
• ROCKET SPAM

he also has the highest melee damage

[distant zinc]

the shield and airdash alone make him extremely good

[mossy bridge]

and several cores oriented around melee

you can airdash with the shield out too

[distant zinc]

tac sprint with your shield up > air dash > melee

[sand sluice]

Thief has a movement exploit?

[ivory laurel]

No need to convince me about Destroyer. I am solidly a Vandal main

[sand sluice]

Do you mean the bhop tech?

[distant zinc]

works wonderfully in solos, in trios you can use it to push 2v3s

[distant zinc]

there's some bullshit with her grapple that gives her insane speed

plus slide cancel works on every shell iirc

[ivory laurel]

Can you still grapple to thief drones?

[distant zinc]

hopefully they patch it out

[neat nest]

You can slide cancel the grapple and it refunds the cooldown while giving you the momentum

[distant zinc]

i believe so

[neat nest]

Same

[distant zinc]

i'm all for movement in games but i don't want this game to turn into warzone slop

[neat nest]

Yeah I agree

[ivory laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/43Vyb6YcU5c?si=EayE8-71kFYJ0WjV

[neat nest]

The slower crisp movement with decisive movement abilities feels very good

[distant zinc]

100%, air dash and power slide having such high heat costs is great

[indigo oriole]

not having cod movementslop is good for the stress of an extrac shooter

[distant zinc]

forces you to commit and allows punishing overextension

[split apex]

Yeah they gotta kill the bhop

It's insanely powerful if you're good at it

[distant zinc]

if everyone can just hop around like coked up rabbits fights are gonna get super annoying

[patent thicket]

Destroyer has my attention because he seems to be carrying the Bungie tradition of Huge Armored Shootman.

[distant zinc]

yeah he's great

[patent thicket]

Simple but effective kit.

[neat nest]

I suck with Destroyer but it’s mostly because I overextend myself with Thruster

[placid oxide]

I occasionally do the same with Vandal slide

[distant zinc]

i love vandal but i'm not good with her

destroyer gives me a lot of safety (and the armor looks sick)

[ivory laurel]

I kinda wish we could either shoot during Vandal slide or choose to end it early

[distant zinc]

shooting during power slide would be amazing

[sand sluice]

They can keep the bhops in cause for rn they only give normal movement, they should fix the slide cancel exploit yeah cause it refunds the cooldown

[tawdry sequoia]

Destroyer seems like it also has the fewest distractions from combat fundamentals, just makes you better at doing them

[placid oxide]

Not being able to shoot during Vandal slide is completely baffling

[cinder hare]

i like the idea that if thief cancels their grapple it incurs a cooldown

i also like the idea of the drone having a "weight" limit

[sand sluice]

It should yes

[cinder hare]

so claymores and stuff would slow it down

[neat nest]

This is probably a good middle ground

[cinder hare]

keeps the slidecancel in the game, but makes it more of a 1 time deal than a spam-troll

emergent gameplay and weird stupid tech should stay in the game

[neat nest]

I also think lootvision should probably not see into smoke and active camo

[cinder hare]

but be restricted

yeah i can see that

[sand sluice]

Should spot active camouflage just fine, shouldn't see through smoke

[neat nest]

But the grapple slide trick is probably fine if it uses the cooldown

[distant zinc]

yeah it just makes her a better intel/reon shell than the actual one imo

[cinder hare]

recon needs hella buffs

make her tick drone actually smart-ish

[echo scroll]

tl:dr here are our asks:
- Please do not stream the 6 vaults or share guides or info until after they are all confirmed to be completed
- Please do not start the 7th vault until all 6 other vaults are confirmed to be completed

We love you all and think you're amazing, and realize that this is a big moment, but still want to ensure that the wider community still can navigate their way through without feeling like they started way behind. 

Once people get a chance to go head-to-head with the Compiler feel entirely free to continue your content creation. Good luck aboard the Marathon!

**PS:** Since we're posting here in the NDA'd chats, just a couple of quick reminders: 1.) You are indeed still under NDA, 2.) You can talk about NDA'd stuff here in the NDA'd channels, even if you weren't in the same playtests, 3.) Just an additional reminder, please don't spoil anything for the non-NDA'd folks out here!”```
Me who was in an NDA test: Wait yall got to play cryo?

[sand sluice]

But I think camouflage is op rn and needs nerfs in someway, smoke is fine cause it's on long cooldowns anyways

[distant zinc]

assassin makes solos really annoying

[cinder hare]

make it be like "oh shit ROCKET ROCKET ROCKET" and explode the shit outta your ass dashing into your face

[distant zinc]

he's not that hard to deal with i just don't enjoy it

[neat nest]

Some of the tests did Cryo but they were small

[sand sluice]

Assassin cloak makes anything annoying because it breaks usec aggro + gives near perfect invisible when standing still

[neat nest]

Regardless of its own balance setup lootvision shouldn’t be a counter

[indigo oriole]

standing still isnt good tho

[sand sluice]

It should be if it's as OP as it is rn, seeing through smoke is more OP yeh

[neat nest]

It’s not yeah, unless you have a a couple of rare cores

[sand sluice]

Every time I've died to it they just stand out in the open and I cant spot them despite tjem having 0 cores

[neat nest]

There’s a blue or purple one which makes your cloak last longer when still at the cost of heat and a gold core which gives invis on ADS

[sand sluice]

If that's only a me thing then it's a graphical glitch and then yeah doesn't need nerfs

But bungie just needs to fix w/e bug it is

[indigo oriole]

if an assassin pops invis and stands still im just leaving

good luck being invis idiot

im on my way to the exfil ez w

[sand sluice]

Yeah but can you convince your team to leave too?

[indigo oriole]

or the magic of grenades

those fix my assassin problems well

i mostly solo

if i have a team assassin invis is even less of a problem

[distant zinc]

fuck em

if i'm with a stack we're just gonna kill the guy and if i'm with randoms i'm gone

[sand sluice]

Ehhhhhh

If it's a really good assassin (one that actually uses cloak to position correctly) I'd have to have a lot of faith in the stack

[indigo oriole]

if he's positioning he's not standing still so im fine

[sand sluice]

Otherwise I'd take the anti team decision and leave yeah

[distant zinc]

one of my regulars is an assassin as well lmao so realistically i'll just let him deal with it

[distant zinc]

if i don't know the people on my team it's every man for himself

[neat nest]

The trick with assassin is knowing your backdrops well since the cloak isn’t super good if you’re moving at all against a single color background

But it makes you really hard to see against messy backgrounds and windows

And only needs to be so good to get the first shot off either

[sand sluice]

Yeah hence why I don't have an issue with thief or recon seeing him with any of their stuff

[neat nest]

Recon should be able to

But not lootvision

[sand sluice]

If assassin wants to play better and use smokes then gg

[mossy bridge]

oh my god the v22 is so bad

[sand sluice]

Lootvision I'm fine with since it since if he's moving he's not perfectly invis

[mossy bridge]

why is it so good in the hands of ghosts but a pea shooter in mine!!!

[indigo oriole]

clearly we should take the thief's drone and just give it to recon

[sand sluice]

Yeah doing a crypto swap for apex would work too

[neat nest]

It’s the weirdest gun in the game but it does very good damage when it works

[placid oxide]

Feels more Recon like than thief like yeah

[twin rain]

We should give recon thermal vision during ult

[sand sluice]

I mean I agree yeah

[neat nest]

Lowkey did back in the MCTT

[indigo oriole]

recon ults, i throw a fire grenade-

[sand sluice]

Also buff the seeker drone

[neat nest]

But people hated recon then

And at least partially justly

[mossy bridge]

the seeker drone has brain damage that thing cannot seek for shit

[sand sluice]

Wait why?

[neat nest]

MCTT Recon:

• opponents cannot see pulses
• live updating pings with LoS
• pings identify runner or UESC
  People didn’t like getting 1 shotted by invisible wallhacks

Drone seemed smarter but idk

[sand sluice]

Lel

[neat nest]

I think it’s bugged atm

[sand sluice]

Yeah makes sense

[neat nest]

I think it also put a red highlight around visible enemies

[sand sluice]

Thermal vision with current system seems fine to me

[neat nest]

I think the pulses also went farther

I think Recon is 100% over-nerfed from being too scary in playtests

[sand sluice]

Makes sense

[neat nest]

But it makes it easy for them to buff her

[sand sluice]

Only thing I want nerfed is assassin and it's more just me being salt over USEC wallhack aggro

If the usec aggro made more logical sense including the assassin ability I probably wouldn't care

Well, that and the slide cancel exploit cause that's not just bhop tech

I guess if they nerf bhop tech I wouldn't be too mad because I still would just bhop when checking corners

But on the other hand if it really is meant to be balanced only around 3v3s Idk

My experiences will never matter and it should primarily be balanced around like the tau ceti cup players

[split apex]

Where did this come from?

[sand sluice]

I'm a solo player it's the same deal expectation I have for most pvp orientated games.

Ranked/comp players usually determine balance decisions to make sure stuff isn't OP since they're the ones more familiar with game stuff

[mossy bridge]

shockingly i had never exfiled with the sekgen free kit as thief

[sand sluice]

And it does seem like they do mean trios to be the standard way of play

[mossy bridge]

when they make it so me and my team mates share quests i will play trios

until then i will use free kits when playing trios with randoms

[sand sluice]

They do, just has to be same quest selected

It's why they buffed solo rep gain cause you gain rep way faster as trios due to contract completion xp being way stronger than random faction rep gain

[indigo oriole]

yeah honestly when doing trios, finishing your mates quests and rotating to do the others feels nice

[neat nest]

It’s a lot of faction XP too yeah

[sand sluice]

I'd do trios if my friends played this game but otherwise I play solos so I don't spam this channel like a lunatic

[neat nest]

Sucks when you roll multiple people with really long ones though

[neat nest]

Lots of people do lfg here

[indigo oriole]

honestly it gets me more when i CANT get people to finish quests

[sand sluice]

Yes but Cyan

Remember

[indigo oriole]

like we're here in your quest location! heres the computer! recon come HERE click YOUR COMPUTER!!

[neat nest]

Hahahaha

[sand sluice]

I put 100 hours into the game so I'd be hitting the button 4 times each day minimum 😭

People already block me because I probably talk too much without hitting a ping button lol

[grave pebble]

speaking of which, does a signal jammer block you from showing up on thermals?

[sand sluice]

Not thermals but tad pings

Idk about recon pings tho

[neat nest]

They do

[sand sluice]

At least I don't think it blocks thermals, didn't say so but ma--

Ahh yeah

Bungie vague posting strikes again

[grave pebble]

ok then signal jammers are really fucking good and i'v ebeen sleeping on them hard

[neat nest]

Signal jammer blocks an annoyingly large number of things to enumerate haha

[twin rain]

Signal jammers are food and you should eat them up

[sand sluice]

I always pop them when I see them

[grave pebble]

considering that thermals are strictly inferior to regular scopes without the highlighting

[sand sluice]

Oh actually

They also supposedly help against UESC detection

Ive no idea how that works tho cause it never worked for me when using signal jammer

[grave pebble]

i don't think it's as ggood as rook's power but yes it definitely does

[neat nest]

• pings (all pings)
• UESC turrets
• claymore mines
• thermals
• UESC spawn mines
• thief loot vision
• anomaly vision (technically a ping)
• UESC detection time (but they can see you)
• probably some other shit I can’t remember

[wraith vector]

They're also great at getting riiight in LOS of your allies and ruining their shots

[grave pebble]

it makes them less aggro towards you at least

[wraith vector]

..Anomaly vision?

[distant zinc]

holy fuck lmao

[neat nest]

Your location gets pinged every several seconds while holding an unstable anomaly

[sand sluice]

Oh then yeah they block recon pings too

[neat nest]

It’s when it makes the EMP circle

[sand sluice]

Does it? It didn't do it for me---oh

[distant zinc]

does it work on the hacking traps in certain bits of the tunnels

[sand sluice]

That emp circle is delayed tho I thought?

[neat nest]

I think lasers still get you

Not 100% sure

[sand sluice]

The green lines still hit you I think ye

[distant zinc]

that makes sense

[neat nest]

It is but its position is on the map

[grave pebble]

yeah that''s an actual physical laser so it makes sense that it'd get you

[neat nest]

If you don’t see it update for a while someone popped a jammer iirc

They’re extremely strong items and it makes sense you can’t buy em

I’m not 100% sure it completely stops turrets either they have slow aggro anyway

[grave pebble]

the vault stacking change made me realise i have about 30 of the advanced patch/shield kits

while i've been struggling to maintain 10 of the regular ones

[sand sluice]

Ffs my maps glitch out too often

Last time I chased someone with the anomaly I had to predict their path

[neat nest]

Happened to me too

[distant zinc]

many such cases

i should start running advanced kits more tbh

[neat nest]

They’re so much better too haha

[distant zinc]

yeah it's actually crazy

3 advanced kits is like

6-9 regular ones or that's how it feels to me

[neat nest]

They also stack 6 deep instead of 3

[grave pebble]

i have like 5 purple weapons and 10 blues in my inventory but i still run freekit in pubs

[distant zinc]

lmaooooo

i'm lowkey a little broke i only have like 2-3 blues

[twin rain]

That's me with the mech/OS kits. I'm accumulating the green ones while huffing the basics

[grave pebble]

this man gucci'd down to the socks but need $4

[distant zinc]

had to take a week long break because of all my classes 😔

[sand sluice]

I am almost at a full week's break between certifications + taking a break from cryo news burning me out

And yeah feel way too far behind

[distant zinc]

i gotta assemble the 3 stack and do nothing but rush pinwheel until we're either mindbogglingly rich or dead broke

[grave pebble]

every time, without fail, i snag a kit from an enemy or buy one, i get uberjumped whenever i take it into an actual run and lose it instantly

[grave pebble]

yeah i just need my purples and shit for now

and i gotta start going for weapon variety, i need more volley rifles and i want to see an actual misriah sometime

[distant zinc]

i've only seen the business end of one

[sand sluice]

Yeah would be what I'm doing but need to setup a stack, otherwise solo is safer and that way I don't spam pings

[neat nest]

The role is there to be pinged

[grave pebble]

oh, i thought you meant ingame pings haha

[neat nest]

The trick to this is I think bailing and extracting once you’re just pretty rich and not breeding

I’ve lost too many runs to greeding pinwheel lol

[oak glacier]

dont listen to cyan

always greed

youre just one run away from a gold loadout

[neat nest]

There’s so much good shit in there

[oak glacier]

see

cyan clearly wants to keep all the good shit to himself

smh my head

[neat nest]

Esp once I realized that the 5 billion neurochems can be exchanged for blue shields 1:1

[indigo oriole]

Cyan the Greedy

[neat nest]

Once I got a taste for Mr. Beast Coins it was over for me

[oak glacier]

the ban log is a lie
we never ban the beast coin people
we just hoard it all for the mod team

[distant zinc]

sadly i’m a servant of mammon

[grave pebble]

speaking of which, i'm down for some outpost loot / dire marsh quest runs for a bit if anyone else is <@&1474420814979010821>

[sand sluice]

I don't greed pinwheel I just wipe everyone else in my way of getting the drone conveyance request

Then I take it up there and kill anyone greedy enough to poke the usec to get up there

[oak glacier]

where does the conveyance request spawn?

i found the place to use it

but i never found the thing itself

[sand sluice]

Its uhhhhhhhhhhh

Basement of drone wing in the yellow halls outside that locked room

And then it's either

2nd floor and top floor of...air flight controls?

I can't remember the place

[grave pebble]

conveyance request is the one that spawns the elevator to drone wing, is it?

[oak glacier]

yea

[grave pebble]

The exterior one, that is?

[sand sluice]

Yeah the only stealth entrance currently

[grave pebble]

so the 3 methods are drone wing elevator, 2 of the regular access keys, or 1 master key. and the exterior boxes method is gone. that all right?

[sand sluice]

Yeah because they want to rebalance it

Ideally you kill teams to guarantee 2 master keys and 1 orange key

Then you take drone wing

That way you get the 2 master key 1 orange key pinwheel room

It's how I got uhhhhhh

#1360700632998215701 message

This run as a sponsored kit

And mind you

I skipped

so many blues

Because no space

[grave pebble]

yeah going into outpost without minimum a green backpack seems like a waste of time tbh

considering that purple and blue salvage are so big

[sand sluice]

I usually expect to get a green backpack and green shield

Outside of that I'm pretty efficient with my looting

So I usually make bank even without a backpack

Issue is without the destroyed wing entrance it's random whether or not I can get the conveyance request quickly enough

Cause I need to spawn close and get lucky that someone else doesn't spawn in the room with it (happened to me earlier lol)

[patent thicket]

Is the deluxe edition worth the extra $20?

[sand sluice]

https://tauceti.gg/maps/outpost

Has some of the spawns for it

[tawdry sequoia]

You can always upgrade to it

It's cosmetics, the battlepass and some gear iirc

[patent thicket]

I feel like those cosmetics are painting a target on my back.

[tawdry sequoia]

Nah

[patent thicket]

What're SILK tokens used for?

[tawdry sequoia]

By the time most people would make out the deluxe skins they've long since decided if they are trying to kill you or not

Battlepass unlocks

[patent thicket]

Hmmh...

[tawdry sequoia]

You get them for leveling normally

[patent thicket]

Guess I'll get the deluxe edition.

[tawdry sequoia]

The battlepass itself is cosmetics (gunskins and stickers mostly), one skin at the end (goth vandal) and some schema, which is 5 stock of a gun in the shop

Very little gameplay influence

[neat nest]

They are adding several more runner skins to it… soonish

[tawdry sequoia]

I do wish I could see it as genuine

[patent thicket]

Well, just gonna let that download and install while I'm showering.

[tawdry sequoia]

I have some work to do, but after that I do want to play 👀

I'm still only like...22? Far from cryo

And my upgrades are traaaash

[neat nest]

Usually in the basement tunnels near/under processing

I think more than one spawns too

[mossy bridge]

arachne skins

https://tenor.com/view/arachne-marathon-skinthemall-yo1738-gif-6426279616308117012

[sand sluice]

Has this been confirmed? I've never seen it happen and it would make sense for only 1 to spawn between 4 teams with 2 other entrances when map is working as intended

If more than 1 spawn def need to keep on my toes more

[neat nest]

Increased clarity for why there’s time-gated stuff

I’m curious how it feels personally but I’m not immediately for it

[neat nest]

It has not been

[indigo oriole]

i hope they keep this clarity going, its been so nice

[neat nest]

It’s very nice yeah

I get wanting to have “time off” for ranked in a game where you can like

Run out of shit

Cryo feels a little weird but also

Lordy it makes me more curious

[cinder hare]

I heard bungie weekends mean Saturday to Tuesday

Based on Destiny

If that’s true then we’re all set and I got no complaints

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[neat nest]

Ok cool

I like that they’re staggered

[wintry shuttle]

So, ranked is open both the weekend and weekday.

And Cryo is also open on the weekday and weekend.

[sand sluice]

I'm just waiting and seeing

Well I also am like

"Omg gonna farm credits"

[neat nest]

Ok so it makes sense:

• Wednesday-Friday: grind gear
• fri-sun: get gilded at Durandal’s lose everything emporium
• mon-tues: lose your golds at ranked

[cosmic flame]

LOSE EVERYTHING FACTORY MEME BECOMING REALER BY THE DAY

[placid oxide]

What if you’re bad and just a permanent staff member at the lose everything factory?

[oak glacier]

then good news, you dont need the "extra lose everything" place since you already lost everything

[sand sluice]

You can play 1 run of cryo before needing to go get 5k worth of gear

[cinder hare]

yeah it makes lots of sense

hmmm

[sand sluice]

Tbf I'm prob gonna run cryo fill to see how goofy it is

[cinder hare]

i wanna see a different type of support class in marathon

[sand sluice]

And then ranked solo cause easier extraction

[cinder hare]

i guess sentinel might do that

[sand sluice]

Pfft

Simply w key before they get the chance to use their thermals

Ez

[cinder hare]

i hate how scouts can instantly overheat you

[sand sluice]

Scouts?

[cinder hare]

UESC scouts

they have an overheat nade or something

[sand sluice]

I have never had that happen to me

Purple grenadiers do it IIRC

[cinder hare]

mostly if you try to knife em

[sand sluice]

But thats mech more than overheat

OH

The self destruct

Yeah you gotta shoot em

If you don't knife em quick enough

[neat nest]

lmfao

[neat nest]

It's their channel rifles

Oh that part

[tawdry sequoia]

yaaaay, time to play some Marathon

<@&1474420814979010821> anyone want to squad up?

[neat nest]

oh man

i want to be I really need to nap or I will int

[final onyx]

i can go in a bit

[twin rain]

I can hop in in 5 or so

[tawdry sequoia]

sweet, I'll start a room

[cinder hare]

sure

[mossy bridge]

they have self destruct

[sand sluice]

Ya know

Someone pointed out why didn't they just do a keycard system for cryo

And I'm actually curious why didn't they if they did the 5k gear requirement anyways

Very curious to see the zone tomorrow

[oak glacier]

cause with a keycard system people can bring shit gear and a keycard

with a 5k ante you have to bring 5k worth of gear at least and be some baseline level of prepared

[sand sluice]

Well what's funny is someone pointed out something very true

They should keep cryo trios only cause there's some people complaining about the bots being too tough and if they made it to allow solos the goalpost would just move to that

[oak glacier]

its also just

not set in stone

if the first weekend of cryo feels shit theyll adjust it

either up or down or some kind of sideways

[placid oxide]

Yeah I feel like Bungie’s been good about adjusting if they have to so far. One upside to all the talk about the game being a failure (which I don’t think it is?) is that they’re motivated to adapt to retain people.

[twin rain]

I feel like there's a lot of "spectator hating" from folks who are just looking for the spectacle of seeing a thing fail and are arguing in bad faith. Hopefully Bungo can separate the chaff from the wheat and stick to their guns (to avoid homogenization)

[sand sluice]

Idk it depends. I'd have to ask Destiny players their thoughts

[neat nest]

There's been a very strange growth in the gaming community of people who don't play games

[sand sluice]

Yeh like

[mossy bridge]

most of the people who i've seen hating have not played the game at all

[sand sluice]

I'm fully expecting to go into cryo with randos and seeing them tilt out depending

[neat nest]

There's a similar but mostly unrelated wave of discourse about like, it being elitist to actually play games instead of watching them

I think kinda centered around the RE fandom

[sand sluice]

Meanwhile my mindset going into cryos is primarily gonna be, "well I'm not solo so I'll probably lose what I'm taking in guaranteed so I'll just need to value my approaches that way"

[neat nest]

tbh I think you should just stop thinking about it until tomorrow

[sand sluice]

Yeah that's a fair point, everyone should prob do that cause anything at this point is speculation

O shit I still gotta do the later mida quest

[wraith vector]

I think Cryo will be.. blue >:|a

[mossy bridge]

they need to nerf the shit out of the punch

it's too accurate and it's too high damage

i got. SNIPED. by it

[wraith vector]

no i need that to kill people with rook

[mossy bridge]

from the station building

[wraith vector]

so what if it's better than the hardline

[neat nest]

Yeah the punch is crazy now

[oak glacier]

for a rook weapon the punch could use a bit of a nerf yeah

[neat nest]

I think they overcompensated for it being genuine dogshit in some of the playtests

[wraith vector]

i find the charge shot kind of useless compared to just Blastin

[sand sluice]

Yeah I like just peppering with it

I still prefer volt thrower

But I def prefer everything over the hardline

[neat nest]

I think the idea is to tapfire several times and then to finish the charge once it's preheated

but just tapfiring works so well

[vagrant carbon]

So, I managed to get out of a run by using assassin's camo to sneak right behind a group of enemy players right as they huddled up and exfil'd

[wintry shuttle]

Had a good one today

Ended up ambushing a fully loaded guy.

Who also was looting a coordinate cache

[sand sluice]

Huh?

[wintry shuttle]

It was out in the open by Overflow

[sand sluice]

How does that happen? The cache only shows up with both data pads which is a good way to let other players know

Oh it was already open

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah, he started opening it

[sand sluice]

Oh geezus my brain didn't work there

I thought you both opened it at the same time

[wintry shuttle]

Like I didn't even know he had anything good until I heard the cache opening noises.

[neat nest]

Oh man

The Cryo map overview leaked/got extracted

This MF is HUGE

[wintry shuttle]

Spill!

How huge!?

[oak glacier]

spoiler it tho

:P

[wintry shuttle]

Like Three Outposts huge

[neat nest]

low quality

[wintry shuttle]

Or three Marshes huge?

HOLY SHIT

https://tenor.com/view/god-damn-gawd-dayum-baylon-outloud-gif-8102618485420914343

[neat nest]

but you can get a sense of scale from the detail boxes

[sand sluice]

Any idea for how many teams?

Why am I asking

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> anyone got time to run (need to get wire and drives, 6 in a single run

[sand sluice]

I'll find out tomorrow

tomorrow

[cinder hare]

based on the map i can expect like, 6 teams

[placid oxide]

Is it Dire?

[sand sluice]

Nah you can do Carmen's quest on any map

[placid oxide]

It has felt better since the sound reduction, it feels like I’ve been in fewer games the devolve to everyone going to the same fight.

[cinder hare]

perimeter is the easiest for it

[sand sluice]

It's felt the same to me

[cinder hare]

or outpost

[sand sluice]

But tbf I w key everything anyways

And I already have the uhhhhh

Extraction shooter sense when people are gonna show up

[neat nest]

Assuming the little squares they have on the map are consistent in size across the maps (which I think is true) it's about 1.8 dire marshes across

And nearly as tall as it is wide

[neat nest]

Big agree, I think it's helped a lot

[sand sluice]

I think for me I prefer getting into an immediate fight within the first 2 minutes

Cause then I know there's one less team afterwards

[placid oxide]

Gods that’s huge, and I’d imagine a labyrinth the whole way too. Really hype to see this place now.

[mossy bridge]

why is it stronger than the hardline

this is not ok

[neat nest]

Good news!

[mossy bridge]

thank god

fuck that exploit

[wraith vector]

time to buff the hardline

[placid oxide]

Vandal movement supremacy restored

I am curious to see if Cryo has a different timer than the other maps, being so big

[mossy bridge]

dude this thing is too fucking strong

[sand sluice]

Hardline is fine

[mossy bridge]

holy shit

[sand sluice]

If punch is too strong just nerf the punch

[mossy bridge]

you need to mag dump recruits to kill them

unless you land headshots

[sand sluice]

No you dont what lmao

Yes

It's a precision weapon

Long range too, it's my least favorite gun because it's long range focused

[mossy bridge]

the rest of the precision rifles do fine without headshots

[sand sluice]

I'm not sure I agree

Repeater has reload problems

The other precision guns like the volt are def better

[cinder hare]

chat what if i brought 4 of these and gave them to yall so we can just spray infinite bullets into every enemy we see

[mossy bridge]

im talking damage

[indigo oriole]

its such a small part of the ship overall too

[cinder hare]

totally works trust

shame circuit shield is only retailator, boo hoo

[sand sluice]

Ye isn't it's damage same as tac pistol?

[cinder hare]

we could have the 3 destroyers infinite ammo strat

boo hoo

[wintry shuttle]

My luck is over

I lost two purple backpacks

Okay, to be fair, I should not bring anything of value to Hauler.

[sand sluice]

Well

U can bring a wstr

I'd say a wstr is valuable

But yeah anything else is risky

[neat nest]

https://tauceti.gg/tools/item-compare?s0=d97f2f27-f5fb-47e3-9d0d-8559fa1e211f&s1=19597330-38d4-425f-9873-761c39b99d16

[sand sluice]

Cause wstr

[neat nest]

Honestly the Hardline compares sort of badly

Only saving grace is a high range stat

[sand sluice]

Yeah that's the whole point of it I thought

It's the best budget gun for range

Ye 74m is crazy

IIRC overrun is like 40?

It's why it doesn't have stronger stats elsewhere

Cause if it had better stats you would never take a gun like the tac pistol

But because it does have the range it does you take it over the tac pistol for ranged shots

[mossy bridge]

if i get killed by another person using the punch im going to uninstall

[cinder hare]

I find it funny how a bunch of the late-game contracts feel easier than earlier ones

[mossy bridge]

5 shots to kill someone with a white shield

[cosmic flame]

hey man remember how I had to publically tell you to stop screaming at this game in the channel

[mossy bridge]

sorry

[sand sluice]

Wait is the hardline pr really 275 RoF? That doesn't feel accurate

[mossy bridge]

im not going to get any help for ages the nhs is too slow and all their resources are useless

[sand sluice]

Oh the tac pistol has higher aim assist interesting

[cinder hare]

looked for a return on investment 5 guide

just to confirm where i needed to go

wow some streamers are so casually... mad about it

[icy marsh]

My friends clip https://files.catbox.moe/j7midj.mp4

[placid oxide]

Some of the folks who stream this game the most seem to hate it

[tawdry sequoia]

that's just streaming to an extent

[split apex]

look, if you're going to keep getting angry it's your responsibility to remove yourself from the triggers making you angry

i'm sorry this is a problem for you but if the alternative is to keep saltposting in this channel, we're gonna put a stop to it

[sand sluice]

Which one is that one?

[indigo oriole]

i do have to imagine some streaming frustrations might stem from like, not getting Easy Ws for Streaming Ws

[cinder hare]

get stuff from canal and exfil

[sand sluice]

OH it's that one!

[cinder hare]

its just a bit of a pain cuz UESC swarm

[sand sluice]

So that one is uhh

What it is

[mossy bridge]

i want to play this game
it's fun
I just cannot fucking handle dying to other players i always feel like a complete goddamn failiure

[cinder hare]

and that attracts PvP

[sand sluice]

Yeh but like

[indigo oriole]

why must the robot cop army be so noisy

[sand sluice]

A lot of the earlier quests with the green trip wires will like

Treat you better

[cinder hare]

bit of a pain

[sand sluice]

That you can largely walk in and not care

[cinder hare]

its just that one fucking toxic plant

GAH

FUCK U

[sand sluice]

But that one in specific there's 0 cover so if you walk in you get overwhelmed

And then you think, "shit lemme back up"

[indigo oriole]

its gunna feel so good once you do nail the quest tho

[sand sluice]

But when you back up it puts the green tripwires back in

So you just repeat the process if you try to bruteforce it

Or until you actually sigh and go, "I guess I'll do it by destroying the power boxes"

Which sucks cause lets other people walk in and 3rd party you

It's very silly

I can see why streamers get mad but it's def one of those quests that punishes you for trying to cheese it

Where most quests you can cheese in various ways and ignore mechanics

[mossy bridge]

there is that one quest with the red boxes that power forcefields

and the building is full of claymores

as is the tunnel that leads to the toilets inside that building

and then when you do the thing inside that building more goons spawn

it's on perimeter

[sand sluice]

Ye I'm really bad so usually I walk into them and take all the damage

Like the return on investment 5 I walked into the tripwires 3 times

[mossy bridge]

i had a

really easy ROI 5/5

[mossy bridge]

even got the temporal fragment

[oak glacier]

it's a pvp game
im sorry but if you cant handle that you really shouldnt play it

[mossy bridge]

i cant handle literally any pvp
the problem is
this game is fun

every other game with pvp is not fun if you remove that element but this one is

[dusk nebula]

I have the same sort of problem, but I started to just kinda shrug at this point

[mossy bridge]

i've tried arc raiders it was boring
solo SP tarkov gets boring fast

[dusk nebula]

I'm here to complete the quests and maybe just maybe get out ok

[indigo oriole]

Dying is fun for me

[cinder hare]

got a team that was so nice

me and another had the same quest

one sacrificed themselves to get us out

[mossy bridge]

i wish i could have this mentality

so badly

[cinder hare]

almost downed one (they ran, i had a longshot)

[indigo oriole]

its a funny game! you get cool fights, sometimes people Get Ya, they loot you maybe you even loot them back

[cinder hare]

and we got the exfil and almost died to a sudden team

funniest loot ever

[oak glacier]

well id rather you not talk about your frustrations here atlas
unless you can keep it from being gamerage-y

[indigo oriole]

today i got a run where 2 of us wiped, our 3rd hid long enough to heal us and then we managed to chase down the people that killed us! i even got an achievement thing for it

[placid oxide]

Its also just the nature of the game. Even if you’re god’s gift to shooters you are going to die a lot in these sorts of games

[mossy bridge]

im not going to post it here anymore

[oak glacier]

thanks

[cinder hare]

traxus rank 17 now

gotta grind for 20

[sand sluice]

But Mida needs u
To throw tomatoes at UESC cargo bots
And toilet paper pinwheel 3 times
(In a single run)

[cinder hare]

lol

[dusk nebula]

Yeah I find dying pretty fun so far

[sand sluice]

Dying is weird to me

[indigo oriole]

i think what helps is its super fast to get back into the action, and dying doesnt always mean failure

if you had to exfil to get quest xp or smth itd be bad

but you can have a "successful" run and get blown up and thats rad

[sand sluice]

80% of the time I go, "yeah that was on me, gg"
10% I go, "shotgun cant do much against that"
And the last 10% I'm like, "you assassin shithead"*

[cinder hare]

i kinda wish that the green neuro-optic had -1x zoom

3x longshot = heaven

[sand sluice]

But then I heard about cryo being trios and I was getting way more salt dying in my runs

But also tbf had some life stuff™ happen

So I admitted both things happening at the same time gave me probably some slight ptsd on it

[placid oxide]

My biggest frustration with dying is that it doesn’t auto-equip a sponsored kit for me any more so I can’t just spam spacebar

[sand sluice]

Due to dumb brain relation

[sand sluice]

Omg yes

[indigo oriole]

i was wondering if that was intentional or not

[placid oxide]

I think so

To encourage you to use your stuff

[sand sluice]

Honestly I should get more comfortable with it cause shotguns 2 shot all shields anyways

[dusk nebula]

Yeah that was my problem with Tarkov. Wait 10 minutes to drop in, wander around doing nothing for like 10 minutes, and then get domed

[sand sluice]

I will say

[dusk nebula]

Now the UESC just blow my shit smooth off when I drop in

[sand sluice]

I'm a little salt cause I want to collect valuables so I can minmax vault value

I just want 1 mil in vault value

[cinder hare]

<@&1474420814979010821> anyone wanna do outpost OR has extra chem nades (3)

[sand sluice]

For?

[cinder hare]

i wanna do the rook head in pinwheel quest OR the mida chem nade quest

or maybe ill snipe on outpost

[sand sluice]

Snipe drone stealth entrance

Steal it

Profit

[cinder hare]

probably gonna do that exactly

im gonna do that

just need the necrotic sample which is flight control

otherwise ill be camping convoy until either exfil or someone does it

[grave pebble]

still running?

[cinder hare]

just got into a run

[grave pebble]

ah kk ping me when you're out i'll have time

[cinder hare]

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

I JUST GOT A GOLD ITEM

I WAS ABOUT TO EXFIL

SUDDENLY THIEF

FUCK

[patent thicket]

I'm about to try my first run if anyone wants to help me out.

[cinder hare]

even worse

it was for my favorite fucking gun

GAHHH

god why couldnt this game be nice to me on the one time i get a gold 😭

[neat nest]

Truly Marathon is a lesson in impermanence

[cinder hare]

its not like i could react either

[neat nest]

(Bummer that seems like a nice one)

[cinder hare]

it was going so well

i really wanted to have a gold for just once

[neat nest]

I can do a run

[oak glacier]

id appreciate if we didnt spam all caps swears

[cinder hare]

[twin rain]

yeah I'm available for one or two runs as well

[cinder hare]

anyuways

another solo run time

[woeful tundra]

hey. I wanna note: I've done versions of this conversation in like basically every single game thread in offtopic. silksong, helldivers, deadlock

everything I say in those places applies here too

this is not a kind of socialization I want on pnet

[slate field]

Had a Thief try to steal shit from me while I was at a gruarded extract on Outpost last night. Immediately shot down their drone and took my shit back, told them on prox chat to get good, they used slurs at me. Would've been funnier if that wasn't a common tactic for rats these days

[cinder hare]

i only play thief for the grapple and loot'o'vision ngl

id play vandal if her movement was easier to use

[neat nest]

I'm in voice now

[indigo oriole]

no game is serious enough for slurs lol

[cinder hare]

truth

[twin rain]

I knifed two squads to death tonight. :> Destroyer things

[oak glacier]

the lootovision is so good

[slate field]

The drone needs to be nerfed imo. Too easy to grief players with it, not a fun mechanic to engage with. Maybe making it louder and have less health so it's easier to detect and shoot down

I almost never realize there's a drone in the area until it's already knocked something out from my pockets

[indigo oriole]

that is why shes a Thief :P

[slate field]

Yeah but it was dead quiet and I didn't even hear it until I got the hit marker telling me I've been pickpocketed

That should not be the case.

I had another Thief player in an earlier game steal all the keys I needed to do a SekGen quest I was smashing my face against

I know they only do it because they suck at combat because every time I've hunted down a Thief doing drone shenanigans, they've panicked and died or ratted their way out of it

Half of the time they don't even manage to pick up the things they knock loose

[neat nest]

The drone is SO quiet for other people

It’s so loud when you’re operating it I expected it to be louder

[slate field]

It really is, it should be at least as loud as a player sprinting to other players I feel

[neat nest]

But even the theft cable is quiet

[slate field]

I can identify the thief cable just fine, you can tell when it hits you based on the sound and the fact you get a damage indicator but no damage

Harder to notice in the midst of combat, which I think is fine, that's arguably the best time to use it

[cinder hare]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

got the fuckin mission

and a pair of purples

and a free backpack

[cinder hare]

exfil camping for a quest...

[indigo oriole]

ready to use this all weekend

[neat nest]

Saved

[wintry shuttle]

Best night ever

Took out somebody with a station security key

We were both stupid about it though.

He literally saw me on the catwalk but didn't shoot

I then followed him

And we both were doing the stereotypical "walking down the hallway and shooting at each at the corner".

I GOT A PURPLE SHIELD AGAIN!

https://tenor.com/view/huzzah-thats-right-told-you-so-gif-22895935

[neat nest]

Noice

[wintry shuttle]

I have blue weapons

I need to get purples now for tomorrow

I don't care if I die instantly

I want to punch a complier in the face

[slate field]

I won't be able to engage with Cryo Archive content sadly

Fri - Sun is constantly booked for me

[grave pebble]

ok, <@&1474420814979010821> anyone still running atm?

[cinder hare]

One moment

[grave pebble]

just chilling in voice/lobby, joine whenevs. down for dire marsh hellquests or outpost

[cinder hare]

Ready

[grave pebble]

what's your bungie id again? Don't see you online

[cinder hare]

logging on rn

[grave pebble]

ran into a blue squad that was apparently wiped out by container hack uesc??

[cinder hare]

Lmao that happens sometimes

Grenadiers are monsters

[sand sluice]

grenadiers are the only bots that can 100% kill you on a whim

[grave pebble]

it's usually ghosts for me

[sand sluice]

ghost can do it but not as fast

[grave pebble]

ghost cmdrs are fully as lethal as players unless you cheese theiir aggro range IME

[sand sluice]

it's mainly cause the grenade spam from 2 grenadiers is enough to kill you if the grenades land

[grave pebble]

unless you're facing them in a corridor i find the grenades pretty easy to dodge tbh

and if you are in a corridor, i just kniferush em usually

[sand sluice]

I don't think they're easy to dodge they just don't kill you at that point

but out in the open ghosts are more dangerous esp if there's 2 of them and you don't realize them

[icy marsh]

You can just move to the side

[sand sluice]

against multiple grenadiers? no, against one? maybe if you're lucky

but like I said if you're out in the open one grenadier usually just does middling damage

[icy marsh]

Even if they didn't have a giant red grenade indictator you can visually see them being launched through the air

Gotta use your slide

[sand sluice]

I mean maybe I'm just unlucky but every time I fight a grenadier out in the open they sweep the entire area with grenades

[sand sluice]

yeah 1 grenade still hits me every time

[grave pebble]

going to dm without a sniper feels like you're asking for it tbh

i should farm more longshots or something

i'm reaching the point where i'm starting to ignore blues for purples now

[sand sluice]

ye I'm super far behind cause I have like

maybe 2 purple shields

but is ok

they won't save me against a wstr

[grave pebble]

i doubt that's 'far behind' most of the playerbase given i have the 1 still

[sand sluice]

it's far behind because I consider myself against the people that play the game 24/7

[grave pebble]

right

wstrs seem more challengeable btw, and i imagine they'll be even more so once the slide tech gets fixed

[sand sluice]

I mean it's the same as always

just don't get close

[cinder hare]

im an outlier in terms of playtime and i have like, 7 of them

many of which are from quests

i think 2-3 of them are actual loot

and the rest are nucal having the worlds most "take a bath in a river and walk around and take a stroll" quests ever

[grave pebble]

i should just solo the dire marsh quests, it's probably more chill that way

as it is with pub fills, i either get ganked or get such a good haul that i end up exfiling

[cinder hare]

soloq dire is a little easier if yk how to run

also learn to b-hop

[grave pebble]

one time i was RIGHT there, i had parasitism 3/5 done and i was next to an exfil, but i was too beta to try making friends with the other solo player on it

[cinder hare]

well, its just sprint + jump whnever you touch the ground

you're fast fast like that

[grave pebble]

yeah ik the bhop and i guess bringing another knife sprint speed core is useful

[cinder hare]

dont even need that imo

[grave pebble]

could probably knock it all out real fast as thief

rn i have 1 purple backpack and 1 shield, both of which i got from some guy we downed with a freekit squad

last match i was with a cracked sniper and we looted 4 lockboxes in one run. silly stuff

[sand sluice]

bhop isn't for movement

it's to make it so you're harder to laser

[cinder hare]

i mean im 99% sure you're faster too

[grave pebble]

you are, i'm quite certain

i've only seen people bhop when moving between pois, never in combat

[sand sluice]

oh really, maybe I need to macro it

[cinder hare]

you dont need to

just press space when you've about touched the ground

[grave pebble]

yeah it has forgiving timing and it saves you the heat buildup

[cinder hare]

i think Marathon has slight input queue or something

[grave pebble]

since i don't think you build heat while in the air, but you keep the sprint momentum

[cinder hare]

i think you do, but slower?

[grave pebble]

yeeeah i think you're right

[cinder hare]

and theres air acceleration i think

[grave pebble]

it's definitely noticeable vs. sprinting normally

[sand sluice]

what's the health values and shield values?

and how much damage does knife right click do again with no upgrades?

[cinder hare]

think its like, 120 base, 20~ shield

LIGHT: 30+MOD
HEAVY: (30+MOD) x 2

[sand sluice]

oh wow

that means with with a single knife upgrade from 30 to 50 you 2 tap all shields with the heavy

[cinder hare]

funny how marathon could be apex legends if they just buffed sliding

[grave pebble]

i'm not uysed to the short lunge range on marathon's knife, it's screwed me a few times

vs. destiny where you can basically magnet someone from across a room with your melee

[cinder hare]

like you can literally play marathon as apex legends

[sand sluice]

I'm surprised they let it be so strong with assassin existing

[cinder hare]

still annoyed by how rare heals are if you're a free-kit player

but i want a sword dash character

[grave pebble]

tbh i always scavenge depleted kits even if i bring real ones in

[cinder hare]

im going to delete lobbies if i can sword dash

[grave pebble]

they're useful for top ups and negating damage from annoying shit like poison or ticks

[cinder hare]

you cannot win against someone who can teleport behind you with a dash combo

im so toxic on swords its unreal

also dealing with destroyers in soloq is easy

just dont shoot them and walk backwards

[sand sluice]

no such thing as toxic for just doing basic game stuff tbf

[grave pebble]

destroyers are dangerous when they have a friend, and taking out the shield is the universal symbol for 'push you moron'

[cinder hare]

yeah lol

[sand sluice]

protip