#Marathon
neat nest
This is a page of little puzzles on timers
You have to solve all of them before any timer runs out
It took almost a week to get the solutions, many of them require getting info from in the game
neat nest
https://cryoarchive.systems/preservation
(I am not sure if you need to solve all previous puzzles to see this can someone tell?)
solutions notes page for example of how nutty these are
sharp plover
you at least need a DAC
twin rain
yeah the fact that there's a manual for these puzzles and it's still insane is mind boggling
placid oxide
//: PRESERVATION NODE: COMPLETE
//: P.S.L.M. CERTIFICATION: VERIFIED
//: OPERATOR ACCESS GRANTED: #breach-protocol
layered system locks disengaged
distributed authentication reconciled
remote access pathway granted
index reflects new state
sand sluice
ahh yeah people are getting a discord call with null lol
cinder hare
FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UESC MUST DIE
cinder hare
ahh yeah people are getting a discord call with null lol
Yo what
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> Hey everyone KILL ALL BOTS
placid oxide
Literally just murder bots
sharp plover
HD2 Major Order jumpscare
twin rain
WE RETURN TO CYBERSTAN
neat nest
what da fuck the phone call with Null is real
twin rain
I wouldn't be surprised if the current progress was the amount killed since launch
twin rain
what da fuck the phone call with Null is real
huhhh
sand sluice
I'd need to find the full guide to go do all the stuff
placid oxide
Any way to record?
sand sluice
but last time I checked it was google docs and viewing permissions was locked
placid oxide
Can’t play it on phone
cinder hare
what da fuck the phone call with Null is real
How do you get here lmao
neat nest
click this in the cryo archive website
neat nest
I wouldn't be surprised if the current progress was the amount killed since laun...
It is iirc, there was an earlier step which involved killing UESC I think
neat nest
Any way to record?
It's not very interesting just some icons popping up every so often
placid oxide
Oh well then
Do think this means no Cryo tonight though, can’t imagine getting 200m in a day
neat nest
you are probably right
cinder hare
click this in the cryo archive website
where is that (im not that smart)
chilly pebble
Pretty chunky for a free kit perimeter
neat nest
you actually have a scaling amount some of them are shorter and you should do them in timer-sorted ascending order
It's hard
I do recommend the userscript but it's sketchy and technical to use
cinder hare
gahhhhhhhhhhh
how do i even use it tho
also nah its not sketchy
i looked through its nothin hard
neat nest
Yeah it's a safe script it's just wild
Basically install tampermonkey or whatever userscript plugin you prefer and then install it
When you go to the Preservation page it'll output the answers into the f12 menu's console
do em from top to bottom because the ones on top have less time
experiment with which ones go where
It took me 20-30 tries to figure them all out
this is the calculation
and this is the password
chilly pebble
is there a reward for it
neat nest
maybe!
Might buff your DAC or something
Now that it's been marked completed it's not needed for ARG completion
here's the activity animation if people want to see it
chilly pebble
so where do you get the dac on the discord
twin rain
neat nest
yea
neat nest
damn i hope not
cinder hare
HOLY SHIT I MADE IT
two people having a war in my trio
left them cuz they were toxic asf
pale flare
kill 200k bots
200 mil, actually
cinder hare
got the frag
chilly pebble
Where are the challenges then
cinder hare
i heard you could get golds off the frag
placid oxide
It’s 200 million more right?
chilly pebble
it's just a whole bunch of system responding, nothing to click on
neat nest
yep
neat nest
it's just a whole bunch of system responding, nothing to click on
what does it look like for you?
placid oxide
Looks like tomorrow is robot killing time
chilly pebble
chilly pebble
So I missed the above challenges then
neat nest
this is a bigger tracker
You can still do them here
But I'm not sure what they do to help any more
cinder hare
i heard you could get golds off the frag
i was hoping for a gold 
neat nest
still much better than when it was flat 2k
ok game done
time to kill bots
I really don't wanna wait 6 days but it'll probably go faster once the word is out
cinder hare
oh yeah <@&1474420814979010821> wanna go for lockdowns today for the fun of it
good way to kill a ton of UESC too
chilly pebble
Never done it before, but could do to lose a few kits considering how much I've been freekitting :v
cinder hare
we need a third
wintry shuttle
So, was at Hauler.
twin rain
I might join in like 30m if you still need one
cinder hare
sure ig
wintry shuttle
So, was at Hauler.
Looking for scrubs to crush as you do.
And while I was killing UESC bots, I had a literal chase go by me without anybody shooting at me first.
Followed said chase
and then shived the other guy while they were doing a finisher.
wintry shuttle
Dam
You killed so many poor bots in that run
Was it worth it?
Was the money worth it?
sand sluice
considering I've been not having a good day and was being toxic towards random assassins I'd say the bots got it easy
well
mainly just one
I'd prefer for it to be 0
cinder hare
wintry shuttle
beautiful loadout
neat nest
That was the filthiest game of Marathon I've ever played
cinder hare
i agree
wintry shuttle
Go ruin so many peoples days with that kit
chilly pebble
We spent 20 minutes just sitting in a warehouse just waiting for the angry rectangle, the funny cube came instead
neat nest
We were chilling waiting for a Lockdown
Didn't get it
Caught a team trying to get a temporal cube out at exfil
Accidentally ratted hard as hell
chilly pebble
That had somehow snuck past us
cinder hare
ratted like gods
wintry shuttle
Is it truly rat if you catch them being idiots
Also, I have thrown stealth out the window
treating this as an action game
I don't care if I lose kits
I need to go destroy everything in my path
If I wanted to crack as many skulls as I could.
chilly pebble
We did catch them being idiots
wintry shuttle
Best places????
chilly pebble
They are by default idiots by getting killed by this kit :v
(I had green shields during the fight)
slate field
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyrunner wanna do a few runs?
cinder hare
I have time only for one at most and I want to do lockdown
distant zinc
neat nest
Hahaha
slate field
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone?
neat nest
Sorry going to bed it’s late
fallow coyote
i 1v2'd and looted pinwheel with a free kit random
our third died and immediately left so more for us lmao
i also taught my random where the buttons were to open command wing
(drone wing entrance is really convenient i gotta say)
when destroyer rockets get going they really get going
carves through uesc like they're nothing
cinder hare
carves through uesc like they're nothing
yeah destroyer is amazing, turns out there's a ton of tech to him
like in open spaces, there's this thing where you shield charge at them to make them panic, then you side dash and pull your gun out to capitalize on low ammo + tracking break
and whats funnier is how you can really abuse his sprint / dash to get flanks and then magdump into a million missiles
he's really good at like, everything if played right
issue is, his shield is mad hard to use
cinder hare
> the titan class has tech
> it's holding the W key
some things have never chang...
pfffft
yeah holding W key is ironically the better play sometimes
cosmic flame
thief tech: if you input grapple and jump with particular timing you can cancel the grapple input registering and spending the cooldown allowing you to long jump for free
destroyer tech: if your opponent thinks that shooting a shield will do anything to the person holding it you can cause them to shoot your shield
split apex
lmfao
sand sluice
yeah holding W key is ironically the better play sometimes
As I've been saying for awhile yeah
sand sluice
Makes sense ye
cinder hare
not so much snipers cuz i cant stand how they never seem to hit right
esp with no drop indicators for 50/100/150 meters
probably cuz of bullet travel being kinda slow
V66 at mid range is the best gun ever ngl
sand sluice
I prefer the stryder myself but the v66 is workable ye
cinder hare
more ammo tbh
volt ammo is just so much easier to manage
2 stacks for a whole fucking run
1 stack is enough, honestly
you get so many from UESC you could probably not bring any
i should abuse this knowledge
sand sluice
that's how extraction shooters work yes
cosmic flame
Threshette#3615
mossy bridge
i fucked up so hard on run/hide 3 last night
i killed like, several people and got a thief's gear
hack the FTL relay
the guys spawn
and then... when im fighting the ghost commander who drops the item i need...
he. he um. he got. launched out of the map. by my arm cannon.
the kit in question
(except for the vandal core that's mine)
sand sluice
On outpost?
mossy bridge
yes
mossy bridge
do not hide in boxes when trying to do a guarded exfil
at least it wasnt "and exfil"!
sand sluice
me reading social media
seeing people having criticisms about cryo/ranked being no solo or fill
sees other people saying this makes sense for bungie
neat nest
There’s fill in cryo afaik just no solos
My guess is that there’s buddy systems to progress so solos would simply be locked out of most of the map without getting very lucky with prox chat
sand sluice
I hope it's harder than savage raids from FFXIV
swift sluice
Well, there's the stuff Bungie pulls in Destiny, and Classic Marathon as possible reference points.
sand sluice
Like I'm mainly hoping this turns into lost ark again for me cause otherwise I'm just gonna be dissapointed
neat nest
I’m just guessing and going off of some vague statements Bearki made almost a year ago
I think there’s progression puzzles mentioned?
There was also some silly ass stuff rumored so idk
Someone said 100k gear ante to get in lol
sand sluice
Yeah I just want it to wipe out most people with instawipe mechanics. I want it to be more brutal than that
neat nest
There was something about no hard rezzes but I doubt that
sand sluice
I'd love 100k gear ante but not sure how that would be possible
Maybe with prestige items and some higher end meds
neat nest
It’s practically not
It can be done with enduring gear or being silly with valuable salvage though
sand sluice
I thought you couldn't bring salvage into the raid tho?
I tried earlier it didn't let me
sand sluice
I mean I'd have to try again considering this was last week
neat nest
I’ve been quietly checking my loadout value more now and the 5k ante feels pretty good
Need to bring something nice but I don’t feel pressed to max everything out
sand sluice
Ye 5k ante is fine assuming fill is allowed
neat nest
I mean I'd have to try again considering this was last week
This was people discussing how to get a 100k loadout before the server slam haha
sand sluice
Oh lmao
neat nest
We were probably just wrong about everything
sand sluice
Some people still think we can unlock cryo early without the usec kills
Meanwhile I'm over here weighing my depression against the bird feather and going, "do I have a way of making it enjoyable to play with randos without pulling all nighters to aimlabs constantly"
I theoretically don't have other hobbies at the moment cause I kinda gave up on them
Well to be factual about it
My main gripe is I was hoping low risk raids cause I wanted to try to get more credits and hit like 5 mil before doing w/e
neat nest
Something which is definitely a choice (I think it’s mostly good but also kinda annoying) is that there isn’t really a way to do low risk resource grinding
Just like, moderate risk
Oh
I remembered
sand sluice
I mean
neat nest
During our Turbo Rat Run last night we worked out that the current gunfire audibility range is somewhere in the ballpark of 90-120 meters
sand sluice
I can do low risk resource grinding for everything except prestige afaik
neat nest
Which works out to roughly 1 POI away on dire marsh
sand sluice
But outpost is like
neat nest
Less sure of scale on the others
sand sluice
Not super well balanced IMO
Also
The weirdest thing about the vault change
I had way more space than I thought I was going to get
neat nest
Yeah I gained close to 100 spaces
sand sluice
Cause it stacked my key trades past 10
neat nest
Did not realize how many fancy meds I had stacked up
sand sluice
So now the obedience matrices and the shell IDs are both past 10 now
Also yeah I'm trying to figure out how I want to organize my vault now
void stirrup
self-revives stacking is lowkey so massive
sand sluice
I didn't have many
wraith vector
Oh they changed stacking? Praise be
void stirrup
Oh they changed stacking? Praise be
Yeah, in the vault everything's stackability is 10x larger
or at least thereabouts
I don't have enough things in my vault to see if everything has different increases stack caps
sand sluice
For me it did
Backpacks, shields, weapons still don't stack but insofar as I could tell everything else did
It's why I was so confused cause based on their vague posting I was thinking, "oh I'll only get a little bit of space from the consumables"
And then it stacked the salvage I had that was in multiple stacks
neat nest
Yeah I didn’t think salvage would stack like that
It’s nice
I need to do resourcing runs in outpost soon
I want a big stack of blue neurochems to kill blue shield gear fear forever lol
Man there are a lot of bathrooms in Marathon
I can’t remember the last game I played with so many random toilet rooms
chilly pebble
trying to decide what faction to level
sand sluice
Not arachne
If you're playing normally you'll level up arachne overtime anyways
For me I did Cyac first cause easiest to vip and max out cause it's primarily credits
Then I did traxus to be able to buy green bully smg
Plus cyac gives backpacks
neat nest
trying to decide what faction to level
IMO CyAc (generically strong upgrades) and NuCaloric (recovery items) are ideal early
sand sluice
Which like
I think backpacks are less expensive than shields?
I need to double check
oak glacier
yeah leveling nucal for that purchasable shield is so good
neat nest
Traxus/MIDA/Arachne/Seki are strong (Arachne has some great general upgrades as does MIDA) but they’re more focused on build fine tuning than the first 2
neat nest
I think backpacks are less expensive than shields?
They’re very similar iirc
But shields feel easier to find in run
sand sluice
Agility + free anti toxins for lockdowns
sand sluice
But shields feel easier to find in run
I've found more backpacks than shields but to be fair I was farming wraith warden solo for a bit
And that fucker never dropped blue shields but would generally drop a blue backpack
Scorch warden dropped blue shields
But good lord scorch warden is a fucking pain compared to the other two
chilly pebble
I mean nucal also has that really nice green shield
that's effectively a two shield that gets healed to full in one
neat nest
Scorch Warden seems so hard to solo
I found him easier than tox warden as trios just because there isn’t a mountain of Those Fucking Plants in the room
neat nest
But you’re locked in a basement with scorch
sand sluice
Tox warden you can lock yourself into the corner kids room and have the vent closed while also closing the shutters
And he can't do anything to you minus the tox grenades
Which like
You can wait out or just play triage
Wraith warden has the hill spot
Scorch warden has the fuckoff arena where he fucking Tokyo drifts outside the damn arena on a whim
And other adds will just jump you because there's no safe spot
neat nest
Yeah the others you can take a confined space or height for but scorch is pretty flat and “confined” in an open way
sand sluice
And thats assuming you don't get a lockdown on algae ponds
winter copper
trying to decide what faction to level
If you haven't got the first agility upgrade with mida, that felt way more massive than I expected it to.
neat nest
If you haven't got the first agility upgrade with mida, that felt way more massi...
Good shout that one is up there with the CyAc heat cap one
sand sluice
You need the mida upgrade to buy one for a later quest
neat nest
(Which is IMO your first or second priority for upgrades in the game)
neat nest
Yeah my top 3 are CyAc loot speed CyAc vault size and CyAc heat cap
Mostly because you can get them super early and fast
sand sluice
Loot speed is a good one
Lets you loot goblin before your teammates grab something you need
Speaking of videogames
Marathon has been taking so much time
I didn't even realize Ready or Not dropped a new update
void stirrup
Both Marathon and STS2 have been living rent free in my head
I need to play more but it's hard to do with juggling uni and a job
sand sluice
I'm just being unhealthy
Like seriously sleep properly, I'm doing terrible for a myriad of reasons and lack of sleep isn't helping
oak glacier
looool
neat nest
really game
One short is amazing
sand sluice
Did I tell you that I tried to get 69420 credits at one point
I was at 69407 credits
I could not figure out how to do it
chilly pebble
anyone up for running random lowbie contracts
neat nest
anyone up for running random lowbie contracts
I’m down later this evening but I’m at work
chilly pebble
Also what is a dcon, I see a bunch of contracts mentioning it but not what it actually is
placid oxide
Little machines spread out on the map that you take contract items to. They show up on your map when you need them, but they always have specific locations you’ll eventually learn
neat nest
They are little boxes scattered near the edges of the maps you put quest items in
Yeah they have fixed spawns so you can learn them pretty well
sand sluice
neat nest
Hauler is lowkey one of the most stressful pois for me
sand sluice
It's not for me but tbf shotgun deaths don't bother me
chilly pebble
Wait, can you bring in the resource you need to dcon
or do you have to find it in world
neat nest
I think for the resources ones you can use stuff you bring but don’t quote me on this I’m not sure
winter copper
It won't let you put salvage into your load out iirc
slate field
You do have to acquire the materials mid-run, yes.
Also, I'm pretty sure the salvage that gets sent through the DCON doesn't end up in your vault after the run
neat nest
I don’t believe it does yeah
slate field
Because it basically teleports the salvage to your employers
For whatever it is they need it for
sand sluice
"Crew"
Look Bungie I'ma be real if you wanted to make Highguard but better you could have skipped the entire extraction shooter genre
placid oxide
Outpost ranked feels like a bloodbath
neat nest
Probably will be yeah
I imagine ranked will be its own Q but it’d be funny if it just made one of the maps nasty for a weekend
sand sluice
Dire marsh would be the annoying ranked map for me
placid oxide
Thank god the sound changes were tweaked before this at least
sharp plover
interesting that its basically built entirely around the dog tags
oak glacier
its honestly a neat way to do it
i wonder if you can join the rank map without dogtags by just meeting the requirement
and go absolute W mode on people hunting for tags
placid oxide
Means you can’t just full rat and pop people from a distance, you have to loot them
neat nest
and go absolute W mode on people hunting for tags
Iirc you must have your own holotag in your inventory to get ranked points
placid oxide
Yeah you gotta bring a tag to get in
sand sluice
3 sets of eyes can lock down locations more effectively + reduce ttk with more people shooting the same target
placid oxide
neat nest
I saw a pic with $500 bronze holotags which might give a sense of scale
placid oxide
3k base is pretty easy to hit even with just some greens
oak glacier
yeah baseline 3k is easy
neat nest
Yeah the 10k for high stakes is more of a mystery for me
Since I imagine the holotag is expensive
But I’m not sure how expensive
chilly pebble
might not count the holotag
neat nest
twin rain
holotags cost 300-3500 from bronze-pinnacle
sand sluice
twin rain
yeah all the details are in the blog
neat nest
holotags cost 300-3500 from bronze-pinnacle
Ok that’s a pretty normal scaling
Damn high stakes is gonna be cranked loadouts
twin rain
I don't think the tags contribute to the ante as they persist thru death
(unless a player takes it afaik)
sand sluice
Thank fucking christ
neat nest
I don't think the tags contribute to the ante as they persist thru death
Oh interesting, so if you die but don’t get looted you get the tag back?
twin rain
oh, I misinterpreted that sorry:
Note that Holotags persist after exfil so you can use them on your next run. You can sell Holotags for full value after exfil.
sand sluice
Actual mixed queues, that's good
neat nest
Ahhh that makes more sense
twin rain
no :<
sand sluice
That chart is specific for a full team
twin rain
we need to spill oil
neat nest
I’ve been doing my part
chilly pebble
but the robots run on blood
neat nest
(Berserk rook runs)
chilly pebble
hell might also be full
sand sluice
Wait no
That chart doesn't make sense
Unless it's teams of 6
500*3 is 1500 not 3000
chilly pebble
I really wish if you died with a free kit it'd just keep the free kit on you
sand sluice
My thoughts have always been you should run out of free kits eventually and be forced to rook it out
neat nest
500*3 is 1500 not 3000
Score target just isn’t holotag value I think
chilly pebble
Punishing losing with having to do 1v3's is an opinion yes
sand sluice
Are you...queuing in trios and not sticking with the other two?
neat nest
I think it’s just summed values so if you’re silver silver bronze you need to get 13k collectively
chilly pebble
I'm talking about being forced to rook if you run out of free kits
neat nest
Are you...queuing in trios and not sticking with the other two?
Rooks aren’t in trios
Back in the MCTT free kits were limited above a certain vault value
Which I liked as a mechanic
sand sluice
Yeah that makes sense
neat nest
I don’t hate the lack of friction for just mashing space back into the game though
sand sluice
I don’t hate the lack of friction for just mashing space back into the game thou...
Unfortunately for me it doesn't auto set sponsored kits so it's still bugged
neat nest
Back in the MCTT free kits were limited above a certain vault value
I forget the number but it was actually pretty low
Like 7k or smth
sand sluice
Actually did they change that from the server slam?
neat nest
I'm talking about being forced to rook if you run out of free kits
Yeah this is why I think unlimited is better
sand sluice
I noticing like
neat nest
Sucks to have to leave a trio to farm if you’re broke
sand sluice
0 rooks in solo queue
icy marsh
Rooks are not in solo queue
sand sluice
Ah that is wild, I remember running into solo runners as rooks in the server slam
neat nest
Sorry I mean rooks have to 1v3 not that they don’t go into trios Q
sand sluice
That's crazy
But I'll admit I've not had to do a single rook run since release
Yeah keep sponsored kits as they are
It's largely w/e
placid oxide
Making free kits limited would be a horrible decision imo
sand sluice
They might end up doing it anyways
I don't think they would but if they really follow through with cryo being forced trios and there's like, no actual reason, then that would kind of show that bad decisions are possible
oak glacier
ok so
what does the anti virus pack actually do?
sand sluice
ok so
what does the anti virus pack actually do?
Gives you time in lockdown zones
chilly pebble
it's mainly for lockdown
placid oxide
Lockdown zones in Dire Marsh
sand sluice
Until the zones appear on other maps (plz it would be neat)
neat nest
ok so
what does the anti virus pack actually do?
Gives you an ablative orange bar which tanks lockdown damage for your actual health
Confusingly they renamed it from the MCTT where it was called a hazard pack
(Good rename I initially thought they were for poison gas)
placid oxide
Be cool if they also helped with the gas rooms tbh
twin rain
I would like if it they had a use outside of that (though maybe we'll see static lockdown zones on the Marathon)
neat nest
Be cool if they also helped with the gas rooms tbh
Mechanics kits do help with those a lot
sand sluice
Mechanics kits nullify gas rooms completely, loot the room, leave it, pop mechanics kit
neat nest
I would like if it they had a use outside of that (though maybe we'll see static...
The old playtests had a currently unused anomaly map event which used antivirus packs
sand sluice
Which btw I think is silly
Cause the hazard override keys don't even disable the poison gas permanently
neat nest
But I think it may have been an earlier iteration of the lockdown or warden fights
sand sluice
So you have almost no reason to take the hazard override keys minus if you think you're gonna get jumped
neat nest
Cause the hazard override keys don't even disable the poison gas permanently
I think that’s good actually, gives nothing to others
But I might prefer it as a toggle not a timer
sand sluice
Toggle way better yeah
Cause rn I don't even bother
I just quickloot and then pop mechanics kit
neat nest
It’s usually better to use the kits yeah
They’re much less rare than the keys
(I’ll also note that you can take a mech kit before going into the tox to take about the same amount of damage, or use 2 to minimize it)
sand sluice
That reminds me
I died because I can't remember which lmg is the spinup one
And I accidentally used it before prefiring for the spinup
grave pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone for a quick outpost run?
cinder hare
Realized something
If Cryo has a 30% exfil rate
And a consistent supply of purples
grave pebble
i thought the overall exfil rate was only about 40%
i imagine on cryo it'll be lower
cinder hare
You MIGHT just be able to play only Cryo forever lol
cinder hare
i thought the overall exfil rate was only about 40%
Believe perimeter was 50, dire was like 36%
grave pebble
well i assume you can't farm marathon keys inside cryo itself
so you'll have to head back to the other maps to farm those
cinder hare
Cough, skinning, cough cough
But right now my perim exfil rate when I’m actually trying is like 60-70%
grave pebble
yeah. actually, i wonder if it's gonna work like outpost where it unlocks for everyone once one person does it
perimeter is like.....40-50% for me, dire is like 30 if i'm lucky. outpost has been 1 out of like 5 so far.
cinder hare
As in rate of you exfiltrating
And it’s guesswork really
But like, I usually play with sponsored kits
So I die a lot but it’s 0 risk so idc
sand sluice
I wouldn't worry about it too much without having the actual number
chilly pebble
Honestly I don't even really count free kit deaths cause I lost nothing
cinder hare
I’m not worrying
sand sluice
I'll admit it's cause if I don't I don't learn
cinder hare
I’m just wondering if I could possibly go pos on Cryo
sand sluice
I'm just super stressed rn cause I am simultaneously like hyping and dogwalking my expectations on Cryo and ranked
Like I obv don't want Cryo to be trios only but if it does I want it to punish players super super hard
But also I hope there's enough skill expression within cyro that I can actually queue fill and be fine
And I'm thinking about all the complaints I heard about destiny and I'm like, "Idk fam"
As an aside I'm actually glad seeing people whine so much on social media between cryo, ranked, and like SA queue times
chilly pebble
I mean they'll also be testing duos iirc?
sand sluice
I do find it kind of funny how some people are like, "we want ranked available 24/7" and others are like, "but if it was it would split the playerbase more" and then some people are complaining about the shotguns 2 shotting all shields and it's like, "yeah shotguns go brrr lol"
sand sluice
I mean they'll also be testing duos iirc?
I've no idea, honestly a lot of the responses from people going, "Yeah it's bungie I expected this" makes me feel like some people are fully expecting Marathon to be some weird quasi mmo pvpve shooter where expecting traditional things means you're just gonna get burned
neat nest
As an aside I'm actually glad seeing people whine so much on social media betwee...
I have not seen much of this but it seems like a weird thing to be glad about
sand sluice
Basically cause I feel while some criticisms are a bit wide, I think most are valid
chilly pebble
only criticism I have at the moment is that there's no reason to not just turbomurder other runners as soon as you can
I liked the scav idea of most other extraction shooters
sand sluice
EG "wstr is op and needs to be nerfed" I'm like, "yeah Idk, feels like it's intended to be able to 2 shot purple shields and being a dedicated pvp weapon"
Vs
"Bungie should have said there was content that you explicitly can not do solo to manage expectations" and I'm like, "if it's true then yeah, they played down the team based aspects by not forcing trios only outside of rook mode"
sand sluice
I liked the scav idea of most other extraction shooters
Yeah I can't quite put together why you'd want to do rook runs right now
Well, I take that back
Free wstr from getting a matter fixitive isn't that hard but you'd have to compete with trios clearing content
chilly pebble
Not having any mechanics for working together combined with probably the strongest pve enemies of any extraction shooter is a choice
sand sluice
Yeah but honestly that might be how I feel for Cryo depending on how it goes
But I'm just flipflopping between assuming Cryo will be designed good or bad based on the idea of forcing trios
oak glacier
they might change it down the line 
hell theyre toying with duos which would be neat
and they even say the ranked mode is beta af too
i see this a lot in path of exile
but every season people doom like the game will never ever change again and its gonna be stuck as it is forever
and people forget how far we've come from even 1 year ago
give the devs time to breathe and work
sand sluice
Yeah it's why I was looking to social media some
chilly pebble
Yeah I love seasons for allowing that
chilly pebble
being able to just press the reset button and mess with a new concept is great
neat nest
I’m not super sold on duos but maybe it’ll be interesting
oak glacier
just dont listen to players on social media
sand sluice
I'd love to see duos mixed with trios
oak glacier
ive stopped going on the path of exile reddit and my enjoyment of the game has never been better
neat nest
I'd love to see duos mixed with trios
That exists now
sand sluice
Wha how?
neat nest
You can duo with crew fill off
oak glacier
yeah you can duo right now
neat nest
And you go in the same queue as trios
neat nest
It’s not bad for doing quieter ops but you gotta play carefully since you’re usually a gun down
sand sluice
I thought it was mandatory, I could have just been suggesting, "nah turn crew fill off" this entire time 
oak glacier
you really gotta click on the ui sometime :P
i say
having taken at least a double digit of hours to realize the armory had more vendors that just cyac
_>
sand sluice
I was too busy balancing vault and clicking through the tree path menus to do all the other UI stuff 😭
grave pebble
I'd love to see duos mixed with trios
if you're a real masochist it would be interesting to have the option to load into a trios match as a solo ig
cinder hare
That’s called rook
sand sluice
I'd love to see it as a meme
grave pebble
'but then what's the point of rook?' idk you want to do a quest but also loot bodies i suppose?
sand sluice
But also knowing assassin players
oak glacier
if you're a real masochist it would be interesting to have the option to load in...
thats called crew fill on and then running the opposite way from your crew
sand sluice
Some of them would stock up on claymores and spam hauler with them
grave pebble
thats called crew fill on and then running the opposite way from your crew
i have only ever seen sponkit players who beeline for the objective and insta-dc on down do this tbh
neat nest
i say
having taken at least a double digit of hours to realize the armory had mo...
Lmao “lmao oops” moment was not knowing you know use deployed medabots to refill your current one
neat nest
if you're a real masochist it would be interesting to have the option to load in...
I’ve done this but I keep getting chill people
grave pebble
I’ve done this but I keep getting chill people
wait, how?
doesn't solo queueing put you into the, uh, solo queue?
sand sluice
Lmao “lmao oops” moment was not knowing you know use deployed medabots to refill...
My worst one was doing the midas lockdown quest and finding out you have to start the lockdown first
neat nest
wait, how?
Oh I misunderstood oops
sand sluice
But also I found out there's no box in that quest
neat nest
I mean going solo crew fill because I forgot to turn it off and then getting credible trios
sand sluice
I thought it would start a full lockdown chain
grave pebble
btw, speaking of cryo archive,, i get the point of the 5k loadout thing but with how ridiculous weapon prices are it's a bit of a meme
sand sluice
My guess is this
grave pebble
like i can go there with a white heavy AR and nothing else
sand sluice
And tbf I'm being charitable here
neat nest
btw, speaking of cryo archive,, i get the point of the 5k loadout thing but with...
It’s basically “bring some blues” or - yeah
oak glacier
It's not meant to be a big entry cost
neat nest
Some of the guns just autocomplete it
oak glacier
Just a "bring some actual loot instead of bare minimum"
neat nest
It’s just to keep out the riffraff (free kits trying to 0 to hero)
grave pebble
well what annoys me is i have some blues i actually like (punch, m77) and those loadouts don't hit 5k unlessi pad them with consumables
oak glacier
Get some better guns then
Get a wstr
neat nest
No no no we can’t let Bungie know this the M77 and Punch should stay cheap
oak glacier
It fills half the req on a white
sand sluice
Cryo archive will dumpster premades with gear so they're trying to force people to bring in gear so they stand a chance instead of letting people try to out ego the zone with sponsored kits
grave pebble
i don't like the wstr because i don't have the instinct for shotguns lol
neat nest
Real
oak glacier
You can just use it as a ticket :p
sand sluice
i don't like the wstr because i don't have the instinct for shotguns lol
Vandal + powerslide + wstr
neat nest
I spent my first 4 or so wstrs fucking up with them
sand sluice
Or just do what I do
grave pebble
yeah just bring it into the match and dump it i guess lol
sand sluice
Keep a wstr in the bag
neat nest
Oh the minimum kit value also means you can’t be a lender I guess
sand sluice
And then use it for when I get shoved
oak glacier
Yeah means you can't mega carry your friends into cryo
oak glacier
Which is good
Means everyone is baseline equally invested in a cryo run
sand sluice
Worth 5k
And nothing else 
Look it gives invis on looting
So clearly it's a meta strat /s
grave pebble
i think i recall reading that cryo isn't gonna have crew fill either so it's gamefaces only, as it should be
swift sluice
co-ordinated groups in Cryo sounds like the main liability for cheaping out
neat nest
i think i recall reading that cryo isn't gonna have crew fill either so it's gam...
I’ve yet to see that substantiated
wintry shuttle
Hey, so, I just wanna let it be known.
neat nest
I think it’s just no solo Q
oak glacier
It's supposed to be the " you gotta lock in and coordinate" zone
grave pebble
ahh gotcha
wintry shuttle
Hey, so, I just wanna let it be known.
If you get stabbed to death by a bunny hopping, Destroyer in Traxus kit.
I will not apologize.
neat nest
My guess is because of 2 man rule mechanics to move around the map
grave pebble
still, pub cryo would be miserable. especially assuming you need all 7 keys across the whole squad
neat nest
(Based on vague recollections of stuff Bearki said 11 months ago)
sand sluice
still, pub cryo would be miserable. especially assuming you need all 7 keys acro...
That's not the case I don't believe
Look at the prestige salvage
grave pebble
i still only have the one marathon key btw, think it's number 4
sand sluice
They say specific locations in cryo not related to the keys
neat nest
Cryo keys appear to be for locked rooms in cryo not as a requirement for access
sand sluice
Now that being said
There is the 7th area
Which looks like
You need to get all 6 key areas done first
neat nest
I think Cryo has its own internal puzzles for transit
grave pebble
Cryo keys *appear* to be for locked rooms in cryo not as a requirement for acces...
i thought getting to the ||compiler|| required going through all 7 vaults?
sand sluice
But I'm hyper speculating off the codex
sand sluice
i thought getting to the ||compiler|| required going through all 7 vaults?
I don't think so
grave pebble
it's all speculation at this point ig
neat nest
You need to get all 6 key areas done first
Someone said something about needing to collect all the AI subroutines but I don’t think it’s true
grave pebble
ah fair enough then
neat nest
That said
sand sluice
I assume it's a map event like the bosses
neat nest
It would be EXTREMELY FUNNY if the goal for Cryo was Durandal going “collect my mixtape bars runners”
sand sluice
Someone said something about needing to collect all the AI subroutines but I don...
I would assume it is or just parts and you need a team of 3 with the parts (further supports no solo)
Cause like Battlefield easter egg stuff always required a group of people with gear when working as intended
And that's just smarter Easter egg design cause Easter egg stuff is usually considered community based
Unless you're remnant devs
sharp plover
It would be EXTREMELY FUNNY if the goal for Cryo was Durandal going “collect my ...
you have to collect every piece of his theme song
(a canonical thing that exists)
sand sluice
"Ah yeah we knew it would be datamined so we made the last thing only reasonably achieved if you datamined the info"
neat nest
Ive had more friendly trios than friendly solos (excluding rook) but i play more trios
sand sluice
I've had so many oddjob friendly interactions in solo queue where trios has been nonstop pvp fights
But tbf
neat nest
Albeit friendly trios stuff tends to happen within earshot out of eyesight
neat nest
Where people just go “ok we’re done here rotating out don’t shoot”
And then fuck off instead of a firefight
Which is fun
sand sluice
But I know people in dire marsh just want blood
grave pebble
Ive had more friendly trios than friendly solos (excluding rook) but i play more...
I've only had one friendly trio and that was in the context of a weird third party incident
Generally I feel like the shoot on sight nature of the game precludes any friendliness in trios
neat nest
That’s why most of the friendlies I’ve had weren’t really on sight yeah
Mostly like
You hear a runner crew 1 floor up and start talking
grave pebble
the one i had was where they were locked behind one of those unbreakable windows and we agreed to leave each other alone
sharp plover
you have to collect every piece of his theme song
grave pebble
and then we got jumped by another squad, i convinced the friendly squad to take a few potshots at the attackers, but they were being ultraconservative since they literally only cared about the quest
which, fair enough
sharp plover
(from level 9 of M1)
grave pebble
4/5 rooks i've run into as a rook have been friendly, and 0 as trios
neat nest
Yeah lol
Rooks are chill among their own kind but present a united front it’s hilarious
grave pebble
but tbf facing a rook as a trio is either an enrichment exercise in running down a lone and undergunned player, or your whole crew getting turbofucked by an evil mastermind
i kinda feel like rooks should have a rook only prox chat, but idk
like their default voice is audible only to other rooks or something
pale flare
Rooks are chill among their own kind but present a united front it’s hilarious
I think rooks should unionize
indigo oriole
Buddy and i mostly duo into tries, gunna be neat to try duos only as long as it doesn't hurt queue times or w/e
twin rain
I think rooks should broadcast their ping callouts to others like prox chat (the voice lines, not the actual pings), similar to it is for crews. Help em organize an objective/intent a lil bit if you don't have a mic
Sidenote, it's so cute how rook will go "mine :>" when placing a claymore
placid oxide
Did they basically add a multiplier?
neat nest
I’m not sure
I think it’s maybe like the part of the arg with the terminals where they added a multiplier based on rate?
Like if a lot of people did at once the value would increase
cinder hare
Went from 11 days -> 3 days of time
neat nest
Wow
placid oxide
Weekendish then, that’s good
sand sluice
echo scroll
chilly pebble
oh right forgor I don't have the worm unlocked yet
warm sage
or just general contract runs
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up for some loot runs?
yo
cinder hare
https://bsky.app/profile/marathonthegame.bungie.net/post/3mhebxsdjbk2m
i adore how the social media managers do this shit
we need a third
warm sage
<@&1474420814979010821> doing Lockdowns and we're hunting for a 3rd
chilly pebble
the locked exits on outpost are brutal
late geyser
Deadass i love the fact this is actually helpful in understanding the system too
chilly pebble
baseline calibration is surprisingly annoying
neat nest
is that the jump off roofs and get stung by ticks one?
chilly pebble
yeah
chilly pebble
I've just been consistently been spawning in the wrong spot for it
or someone already killed the ticks
chilly pebble
really need to get those drone parts to get a better melee
chilly pebble
I swear it knows what I'm trying to get and consistently spawns me on the exact opposite side of the map
cosmic flame
sharp plover
MESH is whats blocking us from Cryo, right?
sounds like people need to keep doing stuff on the maps ("distributed zone disruption") to unlock the next step
neat nest
Need a Void version of this
neat nest
MESH is whats blocking us from Cryo, right?
sounds like people need to keep doin...
MEM_CORRUPT: is the activity in the new layer
you can launch it from here
sharp plover
ah, hmm, then i guess we need to do 4000 of whatever the task there is
neat nest
People are guessing we need a bunch of people to be in it at once
chilly pebble
I really need to level acme more, need more space
twin rain
weird shit going on in MEM_CORRUPT
chilly pebble
I saw that briefly when I opened it yesterday
twin rain
hmmm
craggy laurel
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone down for some runs? Would like to try and get Protect/Destroy [2/5] done on Dire Marsh
chilly pebble
sure
twin rain
ya lets go
craggy laurel
ya lets go
We're in a VC whenever you're ready
cinder hare
someone i killed once tried being toxic
and was like "crouchin cuz you cant aim huh"
inside my head i was just like, "welcome to the jungle motha fooka"
neat nest
bubble shield slows *you* when you exit it
Oh that's a good mechanic
cinder hare
crouching is just something you SHOULD be doing anyways
good for clearing heat
good for stealth
really good on dire
<@&1474420814979010821> just got a purple perimeter key
wintry shuttle
crouching is just something you SHOULD be doing anyways
To crouch means you have knee shooting advantage.
cinder hare
anyone wanna go datawall and exfil immediately?
wintry shuttle
But I don't do that.
I'm a violent T-Rex looking for my next meal
Move or die, Runner.
Move or die.
cinder hare
i play slow and deadly
neat nest
he starts throwing so many of those at us lol
cinder hare
ikr
neat nest
anyone wanna go datawall and exfil immediately?
I'd be down but I'm in a game atm
cinder hare
gaius is kinda the chillest guy ever
best quests in the game by a long shot
go perimeter
scan me some stuff
go dire marsh, it kinda sucks but its not too bad
you get a very easy perimeter quest after
neat nest
I'd be down but I'm in a game atm
Probably done in 15-30 minutes?
final onyx
i can get on in a bit
cinder hare
ight
we goin datawall
then straight to any non-hauler exfil or camping there the until a good exfil arives
wintry shuttle
I go to Hauler
I fight the bots
I fight the other bots
I fight the Runners
Meet me at Hauler
or be chicken
neat nest
https://deadbots.lol/
also new tracker for ARG progress
cinder hare
noot noot
final onyx
hi
neat nest
will hopefully be done soon
neat nest
trying to remember where exactly that one is
final onyx
go in, go up, grab stuff
echo scroll
final onyx
MIDA image
cinder hare
trying to remember where exactly that one is
inside datawall iirc
ok yeah way in the back in the direction of the tick infestation
neat nest
oh, near the tunnel entrance?
cinder hare
yeah
neat nest
ok cool I know it now
cinder hare
yeah we go?
neat nest
Wardens and secure rooms have them the most iirc
wintry shuttle
Wardens and secure rooms have them the most iirc
Are secured rooms the ones that are the secured resources?
cinder hare
neat nest
love this technobabble
cinder hare
wintry shuttle
What the fuck is in that burger?
slate field
Nutrients. :3
twin rain
one of the earlier ones I think said that you shouldn't eat the burger for more than 3 weeks straight
sharp plover
What the fuck is in that burger?
drinkable
but really, its just a slurry of all the stuff you'd actually find in a real cheeseburger, just heavily processed and flavored so that its basically a cheeseburger flavored protein shake
(with the caveat that the locally made versions have less than ideal quality control because of the situation the colony was in)
wintry shuttle
I see
twin rain
there was mention of "greywater" in the ingredient list (which is sink and shower drain water), though I don't recall if that's the colony or official ingredient list
twin rain
how'd it go?
neat nest
Ok ARG is getting funky
The more UESC we kill the fewer puzzle cells there are in the mem corruption matching puzzle
So it shouldn't need to be all 500mil
cinder hare
cinder hare
great. too many blue shields.
damn.
destroyer free kit time!
gonna just go W key bombing run on them enemies
sand sluice
oh you have to match the icons hmm
sand sluice
Uuuuugh
Why cant cryo be here already
I'm suffering burnout cause I keep thinking it's not gonna be worth it to play if cryo ends up being bad but then I'm suffering more burnout cause I just get further behind by not playing
split apex
dog i think you gotta take a break and do something else
cinder hare
yeah
sand sluice
That's what I've been doing yeah
Only did like 2 runs in the past 48 hours
I have 0 other hobbies though
Well that's not true
I just binged the other hobbies and now I'm back to nothing
I guess I could do more work stuff
cinder hare
some people talked about too many queue types in the game for the playercount
i feel like eventually marathon will find their "ideal maximum" for queues and then start doing map rotations or the like
i like to think that there'll be 2 "perimeters", 2 "dire marshes", and 2 "outposts" in terms of overall design/ideology
and that only 3 of them are active, plus cryo at all times
while ranked... ranked queue people shouldn't mind longer queue tmes
sand sluice
I've no idea
cinder hare
that's how tarkov does it iirc
sand sluice
I know SA runners were saying their queue times were rough already
sand sluice
maps unlock and lock every now and then
That is not how tarkov does it
cinder hare
ah yeah
sand sluice
i have the game and i recall a timer on maps
Thats not a locked/unlocked timer.
Thats the day/night cycle
sand sluice
Tarkov does have empty raids tho IIRC
cinder hare
been a long long time tho
night
but i like the idea of map rotations and having quests that can be done on multiple maps
maybe the rotation is every say, every 4 hours
sand sluice
I can see them trying the idea yeah
That's what they're doing with ranked being only live on weekends anyways
It wouldn't surprise me if the reason they buffed the speed for cryo was because it's going to be a weekend only thing
slate field
Doing that one contract where Worm Mother has you sprint all across Dire Marsh
Does anyone know where/what kind of containers Cardio Kicks reliably spawn?
Also how many solo players spawn on Dire Marsh so I can keep count of how many run enders I need to hunt down
sand sluice
Does anyone know where/what kind of containers Cardio Kicks reliably spawn?
I just looted them off the blue and purple usecs
outside of that I would say just get he mida upgrade and buy them from the store
has to be normal cardio kicks, can't be depleted
slate field
I can't afford the ammo to farm bots, nor can I afford to upgrade and buy a Cardio Kick and basic kit each run. I also know it has to be a full one, that wasn't what I asked.
sand sluice
Oh, then gl, you can find them out of medboxes
They arent guaranteed, and the medbox spawns are not mapped out
There's 4 locations I know of where they spawn on dire marsh
And thats the uhh. 2 story lockbox possible spawn south west of complex, that one really tall building that its at canal, the gutter way between maint and ai uplink
Then theres one in-between anomaly and algae ponds north west of anomaly, those little 1 story buildings
And then the last one is the nucal building at intersection IIRC
You might have better luck running perimeter since it's not as lethal as dire marsh or outpost and then just taking the cardio kicks from that into dire marsh
Else you can take triage and solo knife blue usec by circle strafing
Since they tend to whiff
It's gonna be sketchy af tho cause any more than just 1 blue shields not at full hp is risky
Oh and it can't be ghosts
Has to be grenadiers or shields but grenadiers might just yeet 5 mil grenades
Ghosts will just kill you at close quarters
slate field
I've never had a problem with Ghosts or Grenadiers
Unless they're commanders
But again, not looking to farm bots.
The plan is to bring in free kit, and acquire Cardio Kicks in-match
sand sluice
Ye then med boxes are the best way but I hated looking for them, same issue I had looking for the munition boxes cause the spawns aren't clear
Might be able to party up with someone here and ask for a donation for the quest
Since I think should be able to drop consumables
slate field
I'm not wasting my time doing runs in maps other than the one where the contract is for an item that drops unreliably, only to bring it into Dire Marsh and repeatedly waste all my efforts
I suppose I could just rat in Bio-Research or Quarantine and kill players trying to do the same or similar contracts
Solves multiple problems at once
sand sluice
ooooo they updated it
final onyx
(with the caveat that the locally made versions have less than ideal quality con...
t i c k m i l k
sand sluice
https://tauceti.gg/maps/dire-marsh
@neat nest
Actually can we pin tauceti.gg since it looks like it's turning into a really strong resource?
neat nest
https://tauceti.gg/maps/dire-marsh
I think MIDA sells cardio kicks relatively cheaply after a rank 12 upgrade
Which is surprisingly late
sand sluice
Ye they're like 300/400 I think?
neat nest
But I bring it up cause I also don’t know a reliable container type for them
sand sluice
I've seen all the consumables in the med boxes
Where the uhh
Normal shield cells and patch kits are guaranteed I think
And everything else is rng
mossy bridge
yeah
including the chem packs
that nucal want 500231490239348872348723 of
so big and greedy...
sand sluice
I forgot that like
For co evolution 4/5 you might also need the mida upgrade for anti virus or an anti virus pack
Cause it might lockdown a zone
neat nest
The more hunting experience
sand sluice
2 minutes is plenty of time on all maps
Only exception is dire match and even then a cardio kick or two and you can make it
chilly pebble
I love the random graffiti in this game, reminds me of the stuff in l4d
neat nest
Unless you’re like lost in Quarantine it’s not too bad to rush final exfil on dire since they basically all spawn near the middle of the map
I think the worst is Pinwheel since sometimes it’s tricky to rush an exit
But Outpost is tiny so it kinda balances out
placid oxide
One of the situations where being a Vandal main pays off in spades
Just pop your Prime and go for a jog
neat nest
I like that the last(?) cryo step isn’t just killing bots
sand sluice
I like that the last(?) cryo step isn’t just killing bots
Wdym? I know we have the match memory game rn on discord but I thought that was to make the goal of scrapping USEC easier
neat nest
Wdym? I know we have the match memory game rn on discord but I thought that was ...
No it’s the other way around
Killing bots shrinks the matching game board to make it easier
neat nest
At least, we think
sand sluice
But do we thunk? 
neat nest
Find out next week on dragonballz
mossy bridge
neat nest
Is that Jaeger’s portrait? I haven’t played Tarkov
ivory laurel
It is
mossy bridge
thank god for the model of the UESC marathon
actually shows that they fragmented the moon
then wrapped the ship body in it
some diagrams on the main menu show they've built into the moon as well
mossy bridge
maaan nobody told me run/hide 6 was limited
some other guy got into the armoury in processing and i couldnt scan the docs and hack the terminal
ah well, he died in the process, so i got his gear
placid oxide
Not a bad consolation prize, depending on the quality of gear
neat nest
This looks like it has a weird face on it right?
placid oxide
//: CONTROL NODE: UPDATED
//: NETWORK ACCESS: DENIED
//: M.E.S.H. STATUS: UNDER ATTACK
//: SECURITY LAYER: 1
modular enforcement security harness: active
m.e.s.h. destabilization: 66.3%
adaptive security matrix stable
memory construct nearing activation threshold
continued distributed zone disruption required
//: MEM_CORRUPT: INITIALIZED
//: MEM_CELLS: 1000
//: MEM_ERROR_PENALTY: DISABLED
placid oxide
This looks like it has a weird face on it right?
It’s a winky face at that
neat nest
//: CONTROL NODE: UPDATED
//: NETWORK ACCESS: DENIED
//: M.E.S.H. STATUS: UNDER ...
Down to 1k shit’s moving fast
(Was 2k last night)
placid oxide
Nice. Want it to open up tomorrow, the kiddo is going to the grandparents and I can play an irresponsible amount of Marathon
neat nest
I think if it gets below 500 today people will start solving the memory puzzle
sand sluice
maaan nobody told me run/hide 6 was limited
Every contract is contested if you view the other runners as trying to kill you
mossy bridge
Not a bad consolation prize, depending on the quality of gear
Brrrt enduring reinforced shield mark 1 and a Zeus that I sold
Not bad at all
I now have gear to go do it properly
placid oxide
sand sluice
mossy bridge
https://bsky.app/profile/wanderways.bsky.social/post/3mh5gniwm5k2m
runnah... the UESC are a bunch a dog cunts... go down to the servo and get a six pack of stubbies and some menthols... then slag off the cashier and call him a dog... (in one run)
placid oxide
Doing my part by sitting in the matching game and not touching anything
neat nest
Oh ok
mossy bridge
I really really need to stop running with randoms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMMuz0BhIpY this just runs through my head every time im in a lobby with them and they just... do something dumb
