I think they should just go fix d2 pvp instead of trying to spend resources on non core design stuff on a new game
#Marathon
sand sluice
cinder hare
i imagine its different dev teams
sand sluice
oh, then they should focus more on the core game and not worry about adding a new game mode
besides ranked is coming soon enough
oak glacier
i do assume most of the tryhards will go to ranked
leaving non ranked more chill
i like the violence
but having just a bit less of the violence would be nice personally
cosmic flame
i think part of that was the sound changes meaning every fight invokes a twenty-fifth party
so between the rollback and ranked things should chill pretty substantially
oak glacier
yeah they mentioned it in the last post
cosmic flame
i like that pvp is a serious tension factor but it's hard to call it tension if you know someone is going to butt slam you for firing a shot
cinder hare
honestly i just want any way to fight an enemy without risking my loot
oak glacier
i mean
thats called using sponsored kits/rook
cinder hare
could be as simple as "spawn UESC in firing range"
issue is V99/V00s are rare
and expensive as hell
sand sluice
yeah sponsored kit W key everything
for actually testing stuff they should add a firing range
sand sluice
I am now marton level 50
bruh
got marton'd because UESC won't quit wallhacking
the aggro from UESC is so bonkers at times
cinder hare
fucking hell
finally finished my seki mission
then i got assassin'd
so i lost the progress 😭
ugh
second time in a row
cinder hare
finally
fucking finally
also
nona, dont do this to me
dont read me a fairytale
dont do this to me
also the cognitohazards
what the fuck are they
wintry shuttle
Probably Pfhor memetic conditioning/indoctrination.
sand sluice
got marton'd by wondering enemies
they really need to quit have enemies wander from their OBJ
clear all 3 lockdowns, go to the final box
says scanning and I'm just like "ok where tho?"
hit the TAD, see a blue shielder I missed, kill him, go back to the box, still scanning
like bruh
arguably maybe I could have found him if they spawned the lockdowns earlier in the match
but with like 1 minute to spare I have to start running for final exfil
to be fair I know there's a few missions where enemies wander too
well
I didn't die, and I got to extract 2 keys so I'm gonna take it as a win
nooOOOOO
why are the C.OX keys out of order 😭
to be fair maybe it's because it's based on rarity
and then alphanumeric
this bothers me
late geyser
Today's The Day
late geyser
ahaha mm.
Escape will make me god
explains that writihing colonist in the trailer
||So between this, the Worship of the Sph'it and the Thing in the Sun... hm.||
||the question is was it the aliens or the rogue AI||
mossy bridge
you do not hate the UESC enough (proprietary assets 1/4)
grave pebble
when's cryo archive supposed to unlock again?
ivory laurel
Probs gonna drop on the 7th tuesday post launch
ocean nova
Been playing for maybe an hour so far? Really enjoying it. Had my first successful exfil on Perimeter (beginner) earlier.
indigo oriole
welcome to the party!
placid oxide
They said second half of March for Cryo so anytime after today. I’d imagine they finish out the ARG for it though rather than drop it while it is still ongoing.
neat nest
March 15th was called out but we don’t know if it’s More ARG or a reveal
placid oxide
I think more ARG?
ocean nova
I like MIDA but why is MIDA asking me to break windows?
twin rain
they're futuristic punk rockers that want you to smash shit for the fun of it (also property damage to be slightly annoying to uesc)
wraith vector
Corporate windows, that'll show 'em
echo scroll
Duos is painful cause I’m constantly in a 1v3 situation cause my buddy has no survival instincts
wintry shuttle
they're futuristic punk rockers that want you to smash shit for the fun of it (a...
Yeah, MIDA is a mix between "Oh yeah, they're a serious threat" and "...Okay, I guess we're doing this????".
ivory laurel
Imagine the cost of replacing all the windows on Marathon, we gonna drain UESC coffers! One window at a time
echo scroll
Lost like five builds worth of stuff trying to duo the protect/destroy 3/5
twin rain
Traxus be like: "you've decreased uesc efficiency by 0.005%. great job"
wintry shuttle
Be funny if season 2 has Tau Ceti be declared a conflict zone because Traxus and Nucal have decided to have their anti-caution teams start getting into even more open firefights with UESC.
Oh man, this is like Lancer.
But more fucked.
twin rain
Duos is painful cause I’m constantly in a 1v3 situation cause my buddy has no su...
there's usually someone online here if you don't want randos. can even ping the role
mossy bridge
ivory laurel
ICREAM!
neat nest
I like MIDA but why is MIDA asking me to break windows?
They heard about the broken windows policy and wanted in
indigo oriole
Mida contracts are so silly its always like "runner, order a pizza and deliver it within 30 minutes while flipping off any UESC bots you see"
twin rain
I think you need to grab all the faction upgrades for the corp (it's the last rank in the faction)
neat nest
twin rain
but I could be wrong
twin rain
what rank is VIP
okay quick lookup says that yeah it's level 30 in the faction for VIP
indigo oriole
Yeah he's funny
mossy bridge
"funny"
indigo oriole
Yeah just a silly guy!
mossy bridge
he's a sentient csgo negev
cinder hare
Assassins are easy to see
mossy bridge
that's a great joke
cinder hare
I just find the number of them annoying
indigo oriole
He has imperfect invis in a game all about repositioning
Esp in a game with killer audio
But also if youre mad it might be good to take 5 yknow
twin rain
the smoke is the strong part but it's not the worst
mossy bridge
im playing something else instead because i can actually kill the people in stealth in it
because they're not played by sweaty 100 apm losers
and are controlled by AI
indigo oriole
Some people here play Assassin
neat nest
the smoke is the strong part but it's not the worst
Assassin is quietly the smoke character yeah
cinder hare
honestly
im fine with assassin
he just isnt fun to me
and theres too many of them
neat nest
The funniest assassin trick is standing invis with your back to a window
mossy bridge
every time i've been t-bagged, or rat attacked, or sniped from 500 miles away, it's been an assassin
had a group of 3 who hid in the patient exam rooms in orientation on outpost with WSTRs
neat nest
Since the window finishes the fast of breaking up you silhouette the rest of the way and makes you essentially invisible
mossy bridge
i saw a post of a literally fully entirely invisible assassin on outpost
neat nest
You can tell assassin players genuinely believe they deserve to extract ||assassin is my off main||
placid oxide
If they stand still sure but the invis is for a decently short period of time
indigo oriole
If i get smoked i just start knifing
neat nest
If they stand still sure but the invis is for a decently short period of time
Burning your invis to stand still is usually not worth it yeah
mossy bridge
it's far too lenient
neat nest
But it is funny
placid oxide
It can be clutch which is part of the fun gameplay
Idk, I am a Vandal main almost entirely because I like the double jump
neat nest
The double jump is cranked yeah
mossy bridge
vandal's mobility is too good
placid oxide
Like the repositioning you can accomplish throws folks so hard
mossy bridge
though im growing partial to destroyer and thief
due to their great mobility
and utility
placid oxide
In fairness, Vandal sacrifices pretty much every other stat for agi and heat
indigo oriole
I just triage all day long
mossy bridge
more people need to learn triage's revive+ can revive eliminated players
twin rain
I got slapped by the core-buffed concussion blast and the thing felt like a damn rocket launcher
mossy bridge
or down others in one hit
late geyser
had a standoff with another player
we're both playing destroyer
sniping around the beacon and...
neat nest
I’ve mostly been playing Recon lately but I haven’t settled into a real main
late geyser
it charges, we realize we're both sheilding and this was stupid
mossy bridge
i think recon kinda sux sadly
late geyser
extracted together.
indigo oriole
Recon info is soooooo nice in trios
neat nest
Also if you think Assassin is bad now his invis lasted like 5-8 seconds longer in the MCTT
late geyser
in trios the support classes do really well
cinder hare
im a thief main
neat nest
You could basically clear a whole POI of initial UESC in 1 use of it
cinder hare
also didnt assassin have PERFECT invis way back in like, the alpha?
i also play destroyer but i dont use his kit much
twin rain
I'm usually destroyer/recon/vandal, in that order
neat nest
It was never perfect
The big thing for assassin is that your stealth makes a loud noise when activated and doesn’t deaden any sound you make
So you can usually detect and partially localize their presence with footsteps
indigo oriole
And knife em!!!
indigo oriole
neat nest
I think it’s funny how there was all this discourse before the game came out on if you should let rooks live on not
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> im pretty sure there isnt any martoners rn but i wanna marton seki3
neat nest
And now the game’s out and people know they get claymores and shotties
cinder hare
I think it’s funny how there was all this discourse before the game came out on ...
now its "kill on sight"
neat nest
And don’t feel so bad any more
ocean nova
I loved a clip I saw earlier today of someone using a drone and stacking claymores on it to take out another team's Runner sniping from a roof top.
cinder hare
I want a heavy ammo shotgun that’s closer to a sniper than a shotgun
twin rain
that's the repeater
ivory laurel
Want a BOSG?
distant zinc
I want a heavy ammo shotgun that’s closer to a sniper than a shotgun
i lowkey want a mastiff
give me a 3-4 round blaster with obscene recoil
late geyser
i'm tilted
trying to do this one job in maintencence and i always get ganked on extract
neat nest
I want a heavy ammo shotgun that’s closer to a sniper than a shotgun
The circuit breaker does this
Shotgun uncharged ersatz DMR at full charge
cinder hare
Ah shit really
neat nest
It’s just a billion dollars sadly
cinder hare
still think schemas should be cheaper
indigo oriole
it is funny how i can extract a bunch no problem and then get a [do all of X in one run] stuff and thats when i run into the professional gank squads
sonic baneBOT
this is a funny / good thing imo
indigo oriole
i forget about that bot and the brackets every time
cursed because i did pbp ttrpg one time
cinder hare
it is WRONG how giggly nona gets me
slate field
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone wanna do a few runs?
tawdry sequoia
I'll hop on in 5 if you've still got room
slate field
I'm in VC
cinder hare
in a moment
slate field
Nvm
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> marton time?
assassin appeared, killed em dead, team got me, then they abandoned their sassin????
random 4k sponsored run
neat nest
I am busy atm
placid oxide
Have seen it happen more than once where the person is off on their own, just ditched their other two.
neat nest
confuses the fuck outta me if they get picked
cause like
where are the avenging teammates??
wintry shuttle
Remember there is no honor among Runners.
If you do something stupid, then you will be left alone to die.
wraith vector
And then your team is down a person! Leaving folks downed is just silly
tawdry sequoia
sorry, got waylaid by fam
indigo oriole
We have left someone before, but mostly because we were Clearly Outmatched and it was better to get our extrac-reliant missions done
sometimes you watch the team gun your friend down and realize you aint built for this
tawdry sequoia
I've ditched someone once, when me and another pub didn't know what the other player was doing, and they didn't communicate, or react when we kept pinging extract
I think they were trying to figure out how to get into pinwheel but none of us knew cause it was like the day of outpost opening
mossy bridge
honestly i've considered just
going away for a while and letting their killers GTFO
and then revive them
neat nest
tawdry sequoia
and then revive them
oh yeah I've done that/had that done to me
but that player did die, see us not being nearby, and just DC-d instantly
neat nest
#PickPocketAndLeaveTheLootOutOfBounds
vivid flower
I like MIDA but why is MIDA asking me to break windows?
Urban artistry gotta show the UESC who is the boss on Tau Ceti
YOU WILL WRITE UESC SUX ON THE WALLS IN COMPLEX
neat nest
Everyone is getting their own and there's a spreadsheet to arrange them
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12RAzXBS3vjTfBLphd9vy8PXzX8bv-yR_yuzj_XbC_yA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
it's a fuckin scavenger hunt
mine
cinder hare
oh what the hell
neat nest
this is very cool
cosmic flame
what da hell
wraith vector
What are you up to on that ship, Randy
sharp plover
neat nest
needs it to say CERT somewhere imo
tawdry sequoia
hopped into a couple solo runs, goddamn am I rusty
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> need a third
tawdry sequoia
I'll come
mossy bridge
THAT'S NEW
neat nest
HELL YEA
late geyser
is that Ben Starr?
mossy bridge
durandal is ben starr
yes
honestly i wish they got gianni like the marton videos by mandy but
this is good too
mossy bridge
sand sluice
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12RAzXBS3vjTfBLphd9vy8PXzX8bv-yR_yuzj_XbC...
why do I need to request access
neat nest
people started vandalizing it iirc
sand sluice
yeah I'm not going to be able to help cause they locked viewer perms
late geyser
page 10 is an automap of a marathon level i bet.
ooor... is it for the maps in game
yeah it is, that's outpost.
neat nest
yeah its in game maps showing the locations of boxes with in game codes to find
😵💫
here's the question list
late geyser
i'm not smart enough for that
listen man i'm just trying to find enough diodes to get another vault expac
dusk nebula
I was told of the group, so I wanted to ask what the current feeling is around the game so far
split apex
It's great
neat nest
Very good
late geyser
Enjoying iy
neat nest
I was told of the group, so I wanted to ask what the current feeling is around t...
I can be more specific if you like too
placid oxide
Minute to minute gameplay is incredibly fun so far, more-so if you have folks you can play with.
dusk nebula
Picked it up, I was waiting for steam reviews to drop before dropping some money on it
Since the gunplay looks like what I want
placid oxide
You also get the side bonus of being able to watch the ARG attempting to unlock the final map if you like
neat nest
We’re losing our shit atm they’re throwing nasty keep talking and nobody explodes puzzles at us using hints from in the game maps
placid oxide
Watching an entire discord meltdown in to muttering about riddes
I an glad they disabled gifs just so it wasn’t constant spam
neat nest
Good call yeah
placid oxide
This is true
neat nest
They made the Seki contracts mean on purpose for sure
placid oxide
How badly do you want to impress the worm momma?
wraith vector
10k Rook exfil in Outpost, plays more like Alien Isolation
dusk nebula
Oh there's an ARG? I love those
cinder hare
It’s a lot
cinder hare
They made the Seki contracts mean on purpose for sure
It’s just evil how much bad luck I’ve gotten doing it
sand sluice
Just need to embrace arachne
And send the people in your way back to the lobby screen
sand sluice
Wdym 3rd partied
cinder hare
And got killed by runners while dealing with UESC
cinder hare
Wdym 3rd partied
As in another party coming in to vulture
sand sluice
Party? Are you doing trios?
neat nest
cinder hare
Party? Are you doing trios?
Yeah
sand sluice
I would say give solos a try unless you have a stack
It's how I complete most of my quests
sand sluice
My luck is worse in solos but like
Idk what do you want me to say when I complete all 3 lock downs but the last enemy on the last lock down is so far away the TAD doesn't detect them
In solos I can just speedblitz people
cinder hare
Ngl though it’s really annoying cuz there’s just like 5 minutes of straight UESC that’s a lot easier in trios
neat nest
Which one is it?
sand sluice
Sekiguichi 4/5
oak glacier
bringing the redbull sponsored kit gives you a gopro item and spawns you on top of pinwheel with the "jump" objective
sand sluice
I would do it
And I would live
And if I don't
I would die
But I would live again
wintry shuttle
So, listening to the Marathon OST.
Got inspired to write a snippet
Here's what I have so far, but I stopped for a little bit.
U.E.S.C TAU CETI EXCLUSION//QUARANTINE ZONE COMMAND
[Network connection establishing]
[...]
[...]
[Connection Established. Passphrase?]
[Through death rebirth, through rebirth death] <<<
[Passphrase accepted.]
[Welcome, Executor]
[Query: Interview Log #28034987--745A. (Subj. Exped ZULU-9B) <<<
[Query...Accepted.]
[Playing...Psycho-Medical Debriefing]
Dr. Hector: Good morning, Lieutenant Kerrick. Free Association Assessment protocol beginning in three...two...one. Trauma.
Lt. Kerrick: Confusion.
Dr. Hector: Death.
Lt. Kerrick: Futility.
Dr. Hector: Rebirth.
Lt. Kerrick: Regret.
Dr. Hector: Thank you, Lieutenant. Now, Lieutenant, I am aware that this is a subject that you have repeatedly been debriefed over. But you must understand that command is...still confused about the situation. May you please explain what exactly occurred that day.
Lt. Kerrick: Sure. What's one more.*
*[Agitation subtle. Meta-instability index: Red]
Dr. Hector: In your after action report, you stated the following phrase: "My soul was touched by God when he killed me." May you explain what that means?
Lt. Kerrick: ... [Agitation rising. Meta-Instability rising. Security to ro- (Request Belayed. Watch. Observe.) Compliance.]
Dr. Hector: Lieutenant?
Lt. Kerrick: Have you ever looked back.
Dr. Hector: Excuse me?
chilly pebble
How did they manage to make a knife that feels this good
oak glacier
i suspect a big part of it is the sound
wintry shuttle
knife sound make brain go brrrr in game.
Brain want to go swish brrrr on other players
chilly pebble
I think it's also the timing between attacks
chilly pebble
Yeah, I ran the first few acme contracts tonight and (partly because the current traxus kit has an ironsight dmr as a gun), I ended up stabbing a lot of things
people don't seem to expect the funny thief grapple drifts
the muscle memory of which is basically 1:1 titanfall lmao
wraith vector
Dmr that hits like a pistol too, i wanna like the Hardline but whuff
wintry shuttle
Oh my god
chilly pebble
I adore the punch
wintry shuttle
Oh my god
More Devs should respond to brute forcing ARG's like this
Also, new stuff about Cryo.
Lv. 25 req
All factions need to be open.
Everyone should already have that by now.
wraith vector
I'm not at level but I've met evrryone at least
chilly pebble
lemme get right on that with my hour and a half of game time :v
wraith vector
Nona why must you ask these things of us
wintry shuttle
Nona loves you
she wants you to be big and strong for the eventual insurrection against the UESC.
chilly pebble
I wish the acme ai would stop being weird though, I'm here to be paramilitary not parasocial
wintry shuttle
We are nothing but indentured, walking warcrimes.
We canonically have no human rights for Runners.
chilly pebble
I mean, are we human? Or just something that thinks they are
chilly pebble
We're fully digital aren't we, just a very advanced vcr tape of a person
wintry shuttle
Yes
God, if they ever do a tie-in novel of Marathon.
Get Jeff Vandermeer on it.
chilly pebble
I feel like there has to be or the writing teams gonna riot
there's so much sauce here for a multiplayer only extraction shooter
wintry shuttle
Be funny if they start releasing lore books like the Grimories.
I still need to buy the other three
Because I have the Hive Grimoire and the City Grimoire.
grave pebble
Get Jeff Vandermeer on it.
Peter Watts imo
wintry shuttle
Or Peter
grave pebble
He's all about the really bleak, posthuman tone the games going for, and he has written video game stuff before
chilly pebble
Get the qud people to write some more
distant zinc
Get Jeff Vandermeer on it.
i would love nothing more
cinder hare
i fucking hate this quest god
wintry shuttle
Get the qud people to write some more
Oh man, the Caves of Qud crew being a part of the writing team is still wild to hear about.
Small indie
brought on to this beast.
cinder hare
i just want to get my sparkleaf and exfil with the weirdo thing 😭
grave pebble
When I heard Miguel had joined Bungie I hoped he would be part of the Marathon team rather than Destiny, but imo his tone is much better suited for Destiny
wintry shuttle
KSBD cosmetics when???
sand sluice
someone tried to brute force ARG lmaooooooo
yeah they did it for one of the earlier ones by using a bot so
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> just tryna do sekiguchi 5
sand sluice
good to be back on outpost after running dire marsh so much
||Char-likes in shambles to the momma moth||
||nona this is not a thing mothers ask of their children||
neat nest
You gon learn today
Something I’m kinda hoping for is for the weapons in the armory to get shuffled around some each season
sand sluice
this is a very funny quest, I wonder how long it'll take me to do it
cinder hare
i hate this quest so much
idk why but dire has gotten even worse than i remember
ive met like, 4 purple shield teams today
indigo oriole
i think its currently more dangerous than outpost rn
sand sluice
it has been for awhile
grave pebble
Something I’m kinda hoping for is for the weapons in the armory to get shuffled ...
yeah i want next season's 'defaults' to include the misriah and the volley rifle or something
cinder hare
i hate this quest gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
cosmic flame
yeah i want next season's 'defaults' to include the misriah and the volley rifle...
magnum, copperhead, har, twintap, misriah, zeus, outland?
grave pebble
Free kit magnums would make me a happy man
cosmic flame
anyone down for marton
slate field
Ye, I'm down
pale flare
I can marton
split apex
maraton
pale flare
when will we find him... mr. marton
cinder hare
I want to but damn I can’t today 
split apex
when will we find him... mr. marton
he's the one selling a colony ship for cheap. we just gotta get the purchase records
pale flare
Amaryllis#7956
cosmic flame
Threshette#3615
cosmic flame
cosmic flame
slate field
<@&1474420814979010821> Looking for a 3rd if anyone wants to do a few runs
pale flare
killed all but one person in a dire marsh lobby o_o; (one team was a duo we think)
cosmic flame
if you go seeking revenge, dig 10 graves
mossy bridge
Free kit magnums would make me a happy man
God I hope so
UESC free kit with the magnum
That makes me think of:
- UESC runner that can only do UESC contracts
- robots are non hostile unless you kill them or try to steal from secured resources
slate field
chilly pebble
Hm what'd be a good key to rebind ping to
got a chunky mouse wheel click so it's not great there
mossy bridge
true and real
mossy bridge
got a chunky mouse wheel click so it's not great there
Got any side buttons on your mouse?
chilly pebble
Yeah, but the easy to hit one is my push to talk, would prefer a keyboard one
The starting vault space is rough when you're a loot goblin lol
neat nest
Vault space and heat cap are the 2 most important early upgrades imo
chilly pebble
yeah just keep getting out lootgoblined for the purple things for vault space :v
placid oxide
I’ve decided to carve out time to farm the mats just for vault space and heat cap for that reason
Dreading the reset purely because going back to base again sounds gross
sand sluice
Well
Once you figure out all the different mats + your vault space you kinda optimize the storage
You do gotta cut things out though
Like I don't keep mods or implants but keep shields and backpacks
Theoretically you can go about it more kit-based but I'm a solo player so shields + backpack > mods for me
chilly pebble
The community is surprisingly nice
first thing I heard when loading into this match is "Do you want to kill people"
sand sluice
If someone is friendly to me first I tend to not shoot them and will even give them a med drone and be on my way
chilly pebble
Also just had to apologize to an enemy runner because I killed him while he was hiding on the toilet and I just ran in stabbing the hell outta em
Literal horror movie moment
dusk nebula
As you do
neat nest
The community is surprisingly nice
Yeah it’s kinda weird given how pvp oriented it is
dusk nebula
Look, we all want to get out with our loot
If we just put our guns away and pretend like we didn't see each other, we can kill the real villians, the cops
Though I know one of the earliest codex entries does mention that being friendly is totally fine, just that it doesn't always work
chilly pebble
If we just put our guns away and pretend like we didn't see each other, we can k...
Mida operative detected
sand sluice
I'd say because the game is not instakill for the most part it makes it easier to be friendly
Also the UESC just body people
They still body me
dusk nebula
Thats why we have to work together!
sand sluice
Did you know I died to two 2 UESC ghost commanders
Because I did not realize there were 2?
Thermal doesn't work on their cloaks
dusk nebula
I remember running into one for the first time and was like "wtf why are they purple" (I was playing thief) and then they uncloaked when I domed them and I realized
Then there were like 3 more after that
neat nest
They *still* body me
I almost lost a run last night because the secure box defense squad knocked 2/3 of our team
Fucking UESC still have hands
chilly pebble
I'm surprised there's no arachne skins though
neat nest
They’re coming, I think they’re releasing them with ranked
chilly pebble
I find it really funny how deadlier I become the moment I get literally any gun other than the traxus free kit one
sand sluice
Because it might be the worst gun in the game
chilly pebble
I am happy how common the punch is though, love me punch
neat nest
The Hardline is not a great pvp gun but it has good ammo efficiency against UESC
sand sluice
Yeah
I find the repeater a better option but like
Yeah hardline pr is supposed to be the sks I feel
But it's so underwhelming
Granted I think the Zeus is worse
Or w/e the 150 firepower charge gun is
Correction
The ares
neat nest
Firepower is I think a bad stat for em
sand sluice
Apparently I've just been whiffing with it
neat nest
The thing which makes the Ares… fine (I still don’t love it) is that it 1 shots anyone not wearing purple on full charge headshot
196.5 damage full charge headshots
tawdry sequoia
I think the hardline just tends to feel slow if you aren't getting headshots
sand sluice
The Zeus is the one thst does 196.5 on headshot
tawdry sequoia
usually I want a UESC to be powder within the second
sand sluice
Huh?
neat nest
Ares does 196.5 Zeus does 192
Zeus has a substantially higher “firepower” because it cycles faster
sand sluice
I thought firepower was optimal damage per shot
neat nest
Oh wait the the Ares only have a 1.3x headshot mult?
sand sluice
Yeah I think so
neat nest
I thought it was an aggregate of headshot damage and fire rate
sand sluice
I could have sworn it was per shot but maybe you're right
neat nest
But now I understand why the Ares feels bad compared to the MCTT
sand sluice
I gotta get the game booted up to see
neat nest
Where it had like a 1.7 headshot rate and 1 shotted purple shields on headshot
Tauceti.gg says 1.3 and they’re probably right
sand sluice
Yeah that would be absurd lol
neat nest
So lore wise the tox plants were made by the weird Mosaica contagion repelling the colonists right?
It’s less embarrassing to get killed by a Super Contagion than a random fucking stinky fern
sand sluice
I havent fully read all the codex
My assumption it's like a triple threat situation where Rogue AI + wildlife + aliens are all fucking up the colonists
But yeah given how usec treats it, it sounds like it's not just a random plant toxins, it's some sorta super killer that can jeopardize a colony
Because in practice it's cheaper to deal with an annoying toxin and to have colonists live than to glass everybody
Also maybe ghost cat being an agent of unwilling chaos
neat nest
My assumption it's like a triple threat situation where Rogue AI + wildlife + al...
No it’s worse haha
The NuCaloric stuff from doctor song paints a darker picture
There’s some… thing an impossible contagion which infected the colony and surrounding wildlife via crops
And not by bit destroyed them
Independently there’s time travel (Traxus) and spooky visions and haunting around the anomaly
sand sluice
Oh maybe I need to actually go read the codex stuff
Cause I've only read like
The tick milk one
neat nest
There’s a bunch of info in them yeah
Bungie should go back and add the conversations with the factions to the codex though
Since the contract debriefs help make sense of things a lot
And afaik you can’t replay those atm
sand sluice
Yeah I try not to skip through them
sand sluice
||especially cause I find it funny how Oni unintentionally ragebaits Nona lmao||
tawdry sequoia
I saw someone suggest that the cinematics and conversations are streamed and not stored locally, which is why the install size is fairly low but they might not include the ability to replay them
tawdry sequoia
Is the free kit always traxus
no it rotates with the armory
neat nest
Is the free kit always traxus
No it rotates
chilly pebble
armory just refreshed and it's the same traxus kit down to the weapon though
neat nest
I think it just rotates by day or something
tawdry sequoia
they all have a set weapon
traxus is hardline, sekiguchi is volt thrower, cyac is overrun ar, arachne is the ...liberator lmg?
tawdry sequoia
Mida is arguably the best value yeah
the scar is probably second for me
can beam people real good
chilly pebble
how many health/shield kits do ya'll usually bring
neat nest
3x of each normally
chilly pebble
3 stacks or just 3
neat nest
3x health 6x shields if I’m running good shields and plan to fight a lot
neat nest
3 stacks or just 3
3
ivory laurel
I'd say it depends on the map, Perimeter I can survive with a stack each. DireMarsh and Outpost can require more, especially Marsh
tawdry sequoia
as someone who is not very good, 3+3
chances are if I need more than that I'm already dead
so it becomes a waste
also you can supplement for pve injuries by depleteds you find on the map
neat nest
Yeah I find with the increased spawn rates for depleteds it’s not too hard to stay topped off
tawdry sequoia
and if you are good, you can just take your victims' meds
tawdry sequoia
triage also helps a ton yeah
as does in a way assassin
takes out annoying pve enemies with less conflict
neat nest
Yeah
I’m still coming off tilt from that fucking rook on outpost oml
Had an insanely good run where we wiped half the lobby (who had wiped the last team) and did pinwheel
And then with like 2 mins left this fuckin laser eyed rook managed to jump 2 of us isolated (we were greeding for strongboxes and split up) and while we killed it at recovered we hit final extract time trapped in the pinwheel because 2 UESC commanders stopped the revives for long enough
Absolute heartbreaker
sand sluice
how many health/shield kits do ya'll usually bring
I used to bring 1 stack of each.
But now I usually bring 2 cause out of vault space and I'm not getting as caught out as much.
But I play solos.
I play triage a lot which helps but honestly now I use the 2 stacks incase usec jumps me and puts me low as I can now generally kill people who walk up on me doing stuff assuming they don't get the complete drop on me
neat nest
Yeah in solos I think it’s worth to bring more
sand sluice
I also just have turned into more of a demon and have started W-keying people
neat nest
You end up seeing more action vs UESC cause you don’t have a trio sweep n clearing pois
tawdry sequoia
UESC can fuck your shit up in solo if you aren't the agressor
sand sluice
I also started w keying people more in solos because if I shoot an assassin from too far away they'll run off
So easier to just speedblitz them before they have a chance to run
neat nest
Yeah it’s good to be aggressive
I’m chill in trios but in solos I actually just beeline the nearest known spawn lol
I gotta have some breathing space sorry!
sand sluice
I also always take drone wing in outpost rn because it's the safest and most people taking elevator aren't knowledgeable enough to know about the drone wing
So you can catch them off guard
I kinda like this current dynamic
Cause it makes outpost more rewarding for being perceptive
neat nest
Turning off broken was the right call yeah
chilly pebble
love getting popped while invis, while in smoke
neat nest
Thermal I bet
chilly pebble
melee
sand sluice
If I take thermals I specifically poke assassins until they pop smoke
neat nest
Outpost is such a good map
chilly pebble
also it was their smoke
neat nest
Oh yeah melee has built in thermals /j
sand sluice
The least favorite part about dire marsh
Are blue salvage that don't spawn anywhere else
Good lord it takes forever to farm them
sand sluice
Gotta find 8 thoughtwave lens for mida agility
neat nest
I lowkey don’t really agree with this because I was so surprised at how chill and sardonic the Vandal shell is
sand sluice
Vandal is more chill yeah
neat nest
99% of stuff is Intersection Algae Ponds
People don’t wanna be safe haha
Take the detour through the canal or south maintenance
Also there’s like 3 contracts the playerbase hit at once which make you loiter in Ponds lol
wraith vector
Canal is a fetid pit of poison and turrets
sand sluice
Also pro tip for people
neat nest
Canal is a fetid pit of poison and turrets
But enough about dire marsh
sand sluice
You should try to jump around corners if you don't know someone is there
If you slow peek and someone is there you'll get lasered
neat nest
But enough about dire marsh
The map is the butthole of tau ceti IV and I love it
neat nest
If you slow peek and someone is there you'll get lasered
Sliding can also work
mossy bridge
RIP cherry kc200 mx im sorry i hurt you
neat nest
But yeah enter new rooms fast
sand sluice
Sliding can also work
Powersliding as vandal with a shotgun towards someone is so funny
neat nest
I did that once but misjudged the distance and went rocketing down the staircase behind them
… I still got the kill but
sand sluice
Cyan did I mention, to complete the uhh co-evolution 2/5
neat nest
Most humiliating way to get a runner kill
sand sluice
||I 0-100'd a destroyer who was extracting||
neat nest
Hahahaha
sand sluice
I did it so fast
||first time ever I held down the trigger after they were downed just so they would die cause fully purple bully||
mossy bridge
Powersliding as vandal with a shotgun towards someone is so funny
wish vandal could slide and shoot
chilly pebble
Do people ever stop falling for the cheeky claymore peekaboo
placing it behind a closed door
neat nest
It’s pretty consistent
wraith vector
I mean it's hard to not fall for unless you spend time checking Every Door or instantly backing off
neat nest
The only way to detect them behind doors is the crackle they make and people aren’t tuned into it
chilly pebble
I mean more in combat
I went around a corner, closed a door and threw down a claymore :v
tawdry sequoia
we had a pretty funny fight yesterday with Carmen and Dallas with claymores
Carmen was off thiefing on a quest in Quarantine and I noticed another team in with us, and pulled back into a side tunnel and put down a claymore
Dallas joined me and put down some of his own so we ended up with 4-5 claymores
destroyer comes around the corner, eats two claymores, gets deaded in a moment
his two friends rush in, outgear us handily, and eat the rest of the claymores and lose out
chilly pebble
That's why you don't run towards the explosions
tawdry sequoia
2+4claymoresV3 teamfight
chilly pebble
I also love the trap bags despite not having seen one go off yet
tawdry sequoia
yeah I've not seen it in the wild
and by see it I mean go 'ooh shiny' and eat an explosion to the dome
chilly pebble
I just pepper them around where I expect people will eventually go
even if I extract I'm sure I've gotten someone
tawdry sequoia
I am 100% the target audience for getting got by that shit
chilly pebble
It's a hard match between claymores and smoke grenades for me right now
chilly pebble
Trap Kit Team Wipe is the name of my band
neat nest
Pretty much all grenades are very good
chilly pebble
Yeah it's just that the smokes give so much utility for only a hundred
wraith vector
People also love to hover behind exactly grenadable cover
ocean nova
Smoke makes me panicky a little bit, even when I know my teammate threw it
chilly pebble
Smoking another direction than where you're coming from is great for that specific reason
wraith vector
My problem with Smokes is giving free buffs to the thirty assassins per game
neat nest
Be the 31st
neat nest
Real
Shit
tawdry sequoia
I don't love that one tbh
it is Fine ™ but I prefer the ARs and SMGs of the other kits
also the frags in this game are indeed very good
not having them all the time makes them extra sweet when you throw one into a room of people
chilly pebble
love getting dc'd in the middle of a firefight
you really shouldn't lose your kit if the server nukes you
tawdry sequoia
it's mostly been okay about letting people rejoin in my experience, but obv middle of a fight is suboptimal for that
chilly pebble
that's the problem yeah
and now the kit is back to traxus
what the fuck is going on bungie
tawdry sequoia
I guess it's hard to differentiate between server lost connection and you oopsied the router to save your kit
chilly pebble
just have it ping a secondary server located elsewhere, if both lose connection you oopsied your router
oh shit goes out of stock in the armory even basic things like grenades
chilly pebble
ok there's definitely some server shit going on at the moment at least in eu
tawdry sequoia
quite possible
I had one day where the servers would not cooperate but the NA people I played with were doing fine
chilly pebble
you gotta prefire
neat nest
It’s saving grace is perfect accuracy on the first shot and a good range stat
It’s a DMR you can hold down
mossy bridge
that doesnt help when you're against an over "magdumps in 3 seconds" run AR
at point blank range, in hauler
chilly pebble
it's mainly for trios I feel
tawdry sequoia
most close fights I wanted something else, yeah, unless it was against UESC
brrt or scar
or a bully
mossy bridge
I'd only bring it if it had a shield
neat nest
The secret with LMGs is crouching and shields
If you crouch the shield covers most of your body and you win trades vs most guns
twin rain
I love the conquest. It hits harder than the retaliator, so it'll shred once it gets going
mossy bridge
god i hate the cyac kit it feels like the equivalent of those guns they'd drop in occupied countries in ww2 so rebels could dome a nazi between the eyes and steal their guns
sand sluice
Which gun is in the cyac kit?
neat nest
Overrun
placid oxide
Which everyone seems to hate on but I feel like is just fine most of the time
neat nest
I think once you have a bigger mag and something to control it’s strong kick it’s quite good
mossy bridge
yeah, it's fine once you have an expanded mag and some recoil dampening mods
but before that
eugh
it just eats it's entire magazine in 3 seconds and misses half the shots
wraith vector
I'm just not a rapidfire fan, for the aforementioned clip and missing reasons
Also too much ammo required
That space could be More Grenades
mossy bridge
volt thrower really is not great in pvp wow
chilly pebble
It's a projectile weapon which is a huge negative in pvp yeah
wraith vector
It takes so long to kiiilll, i simply cannot
wintry shuttle
You gotta start popping off while they're being distracted.
bzzt bzzt bzzt bzzt another player while they're either fighting Sec or getting third partied.
neat nest
It does a lot of damage up close with the big damage bullets and good fire rate but they’re so slow
Very weird weapon
chilly pebble
It's also good if they're running
because the bullets can looney tunes follow people around corners
mossy bridge
rank 10 mida finally
ivory laurel
What rank is VIP?
mossy bridge
30
sand sluice
30
And then you do it again if you want
I should know
But yeah overrun is one of the stronger budget guns
You just gotta control the recoil
chilly pebble
I find it really funny in solos when the assassins just start talking while extracting and you suddenly realize that not only are you not alone, but the other guy also thought you were the only other person
just a casual smoke cloud with an indeterminate amount of assassins in it
neat nest
lmfao
twin rain
Assassins are created via spontaneous generation in smoke clouds
sand sluice
Assassins in smoke clouds on the extract?
If I see that I have 3 voices in my head
1 of them is telling me to throw ticks at UESC
1 of them is telling me to skin them
The 3rd is telling me to inject myself and shake aggressively at them
mossy bridge
awesome im almost done for the UESC threats challenges
it's just scouts and a scout commander
die mad orion
sand sluice
What about kill 18 UESC
neat nest
die mad orion
this is fuckin good writing
sand sluice
I mean yeah MIDA is about all that
Unfortunately for you Orion, I've already spray painted bingus in your USEC convoys and there's nothing you can do
neat nest
Also like MIDA seized control of Mars after a revolution precipitated by UESC marines massacring hundreds of people with tank mounted plasma cannons during a food riot
Naturally a lot of people starved in the ensuing embargo
mossy bridge
oh so orion is either dumb or disingenuous
sand sluice
Ehhh
neat nest
He's a UESC stooge I imagine he's being disingenuous about 500 year old history
sand sluice
Likely dis--yeah
Like he actually cared he would pull the, "revolutionaries aren't government makers, what do you propose is a better option for a long dead colony?"
But that would mean Orion admitting faults within the UESC
Which of course he won't
neat nest
I think he's willing to he just thinks its worth it
I do think it's hilarious that he sends hate mail to rival runners though
mossy bridge
found this the other day
sand sluice
Idk if the alien folded him backwards into a jar six ways till Sunday then yeah he's probably malding
mossy bridge
as well as
sand sluice
found this the other day
Got marton'd yeah
neat nest
found this the other day
one of I think 2 actual human bodies you can find
sand sluice
The other is on perimeter at the end of the data wall right?
neat nest
I think so, with all the mushrooms
placid oxide
Pretty sure that's Dr. Song
neat nest
The one I'm thinking of is ||Doctor Song||
mossy bridge
can they fix the crashing problem already
cinder hare
i wonder when cryo archive opens
mossy bridge
or at least make it so if you crash you just get sent back to the main menu with all your gear
oak glacier
The one I'm thinking of is ||Doctor Song||
ok i think youre right, what i interpreted as runner is clearly one of those nucal suits you see around the in other places
sand sluice
It's gonna take a bit for crashing assume
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up to play?
sand sluice
Sucks about the 50/50 perimeter map crash
I wish they'd make the splash screens skippable so you can get back in the game quicker
sand sluice
i wonder when cryo archive opens
I'm v curious, also would find it funny if they up the requirements to get in
placid oxide
I'd be down carmen
chilly pebble
what are ya'lls poverty kits
oak glacier
sponsored
or if i have credits
bunch of light ammo stuff + green backpack + green shield
chilly pebble
One step above sponsored I mean :v
oak glacier
oh ye the daily free stuff is great
neat nest
wow that's very fast
neat nest
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up to play?
I can do a couple
sand sluice
what are ya'lls poverty kits
Above sponsored kits?
I mean...
It's just a bully smg with 1 stack of meds and shields
Actually no
It's probably a volt thrower with a stack of meds and shields
So it's technically worse than the mida sponsored kit with the bully
But like
Why would I do that, quicker to just take a sponsored kit
winter copper
One step above sponsored I mean :v
Depends on the map. Perimeter or outpost it's green shield, green/blue bag, assorted implants and cores, some kinda grenade, and a v66 with 3 stacks of lights.
Dire marsh has an added 4k entry fee in the form of a longshot and 2x stacks of mips.
sand sluice
Is that in trios or solos?
winter copper
I've kind of hit the mid game through where there's a surplus of green gear but I'm not usually willing to risk my blues.
Trios
mossy bridge
the outpost portion of run/hide is whooping my ass zamn
sand sluice
Gotcha cause like
mossy bridge
Flight Control really is hell huh
sand sluice
Yeah if I'm running trios my poverty kit is more expensive
mossy bridge
i dont use anything above green on DM
sand sluice
Flight Control really is hell huh
Dire Marsh is Dire Marsh, hell is hell
mossy bridge
that's asking to just lose money
cinder hare
I can do a couple
sure
winter copper
Solos I'm pretty much always sponsored, maybe enhanced, or just playing rook. Im not as comfy with solos so I go in expecting to die and learn.
mossy bridge
I'm talking about outpost not dire marsh
sand sluice
Solos I'm pretty much always sponsored, maybe enhanced, or just playing rook. I...
I'm more comfortable in solos but it's def a different experience
Was kinda funny playing trios the other day and I was like, "we'll probably run into players in like 10 seconds" and sure enough we did
That was when I was playing with Carmen and someone else and I took the longest rotation before wiping the enemy squad
I'm 99% sure the last player in their squad I downed was trying to bait me to have the other person self rez too
winter copper
Self rez seemed kind of rare early on, but now I expect everyone to be packing 1 if not more.
Once you unlock them they're 500 ea and they stock 5 a day, and the community is definitely getting to the point where the average player is likely to be that far along.
sand sluice
I take it in solos for UESC ye
Community is uhhh
There's 3 types I've seen
Green shields which are about where people "should" be.
Blue shields users which are just the green shield users who farmed outpost.
And then the demons but I've only seen like a handful in my 90ish hours of playtime
winter copper
Seems about right.
sand sluice
And like to be clear
winter copper
And the ubiquitous free kits. Don't see them all the time, but I'd bet in trios even odds one team on the board is on free kits.
sand sluice
I might be one of the demons but I'm not 100% sure
Like I can take blueshields in a fight with a sponsored kit minus the traxus one but I haven't farmed outpost so much I know the map like the back of my hand
I also am missing some important upgrades
Like the midas 2nd agility upgrade
I also don't have 1 million credits
And I had to spend the blue lens on the cardio kick unlock
For the sekiguchi quest
Because you cant use a depleted cardio kick for it
Yeah I advise everyone to save a stack or two of those for when they get that quest
tawdry sequoia
had a couple games with purple shields rocking up yesterday
one was a whole trio of them with snipers
tawdry sequoia
we were far enough away that they only took out one of us, then again after rebooting them, ended with me and Dallas hiding beneath a building while they moved around us
was like being on the wrong end of a predator movie
we were all sponsored kits
I think they were initially busy with another team, so we managed to zoidberg away
they gave so few shits they left a bunch of blues and purples in their wake
sand sluice
Yeah if they're doing that they're probably on the upper end of loot
Like if I'm solo I only pickup greenshields so no one else can grab them and use them in that raid
Or I'll try to dump it somewhere
Like outpost I'll dump gear off the map if it's too much of a risk to leave sitting around
wraith vector
Villain behavior
sand sluice
Survival
You leave a wake of wstrs behind you all it takes is one goober finding one and hearing you before you hear them
tawdry sequoia
goobers rise up ✊ 
sand sluice
Look scavenging is extraction shooter 101
Advanced tactics is making it so your kills can't be scavenged and then kill you with the scraps you didn't pick up
chilly pebble
imagine a trap pack but it's a gun instead that explodes the first time you fire it
wraith vector
Playing like it's a damn battle royale
sand sluice
Look in a year when bungie drops the "USEC can now pick up runner gear and use it" you'll be thanking me when USEC doesn't sneak up on you with purple shields and a mistral
neat nest
damn
sand sluice
You might not think this is bad
But consider
I binge watched solo leveling s1 and s2 so I could turn my brain off, right after earning a certification the previous week on tuesday
I also scheduled that certification exam on monday
Mistral + the blue mod that gives you ammo in the mag back on an elimination is goated btw
I highly recommend it
cinder hare
\
cinder hare
sand sluice
Ahh yes your longshot evolved into a purple longshot
Now if it evolves to red it'll be at least 3x as fast 
cinder hare
lololol
oh yeah reverb do you know where this is
i kindaaaaa wanna do a solo run and grab this shit, or do a duo or trio run
placid oxide
Think it is down in the basement
sand sluice
Good luck you should kill at least 1-2 runners before trying to open it
Else you might get caught out
sand sluice
Then W key it
And if you hear any sounds close enough by on your way there
W key the sounds
There will always be more keys
patent thicket
Move towards it?
neat nest
Damn turning ads sens down to .9 made me a demon
sand sluice
Move towards it?
Yes. Having gear fear means you should try to w key towards things so you can shake it
If you lose it you lose it, if you win you can snowball
patent thicket
Okay, just making sure I understood.
sand sluice
Damn turning ads sens down to .9 made me a demon
Im still trying to suss out if I'm actually decent at aiming or if the game is carrying me
neat nest
oh yeah reverb do you know where this is
I'm down for it later
sand sluice
But considering how many fights I've won
neat nest
Im still trying to suss out if I'm actually decent at aiming or if the game is c...
You probably have good aim
sand sluice
I feel like I have good enough aim
But it's hard to tell cause I whiff my shots on Zeus and ares
Meanwhile I get an assassin jump me and I quick scope them with a headshot at 5m
patent thicket
As I understand it, you should never get attached to any loot you have on you at the time.
sand sluice
As I understand it, you should never get attached to any loot you have on you at...
You should get attached to configurations, not the exact items within the configuration
neat nest
that's a good way to think about it yeah
sand sluice
Like rn it's not that big of a deal
But I suspect down the road people might start asking for quick loadout buttons
Like for me my current go-to gun is a green bully with the drum mag and the recoil barrel
neat nest
I've been running fancy custom MGs and some bullshit as a backup
sand sluice
But I haven't actually had to buy it in so long
neat nest
(usually a CE with whatever excess mods I have)
Last time I did this I got an all-blue thermal bully
sand sluice
Makes sense, CE is goated and the MGs are gr8 with the shields
Like seriously
Demo hmg with a shield is my favorite lmg
Perfect to fight usec with too
Outside of that uhhh
Longshot or mistral with the blue mod that gives ammo back to mag on elimination
But tbf that weapon mod is goated on any power weapon
neat nest
Mistral?
neat nest
Ahhh
patent thicket
Is the Destroyer any good? I haven't seen many people talking about him.
sand sluice
Depends
neat nest
Destroyer is good
wraith vector
Love Destroyer, jump through windows and kill people
neat nest
Shield is pretty good, tac sprint is nice
sand sluice
In solos his shield is kinda goofy and people have to make the mistake of shooting into his shield
wraith vector
Ult is hilarious
sand sluice
Outside of that his ult is very strong and his movement means he can speed blitz someone
In trios hes very useful
patent thicket
Yeah, the problem I find with classes that have a riot shield like that is that people tend to just kind of stop shooting and wait until you're a sitting duck.
wraith vector
Ult is also sort of a quasi-scan, you get target locks for the missile preparation
sand sluice
Cause you can use him to reposition your team if theyre in a bad spot or need to be rezzed
patent thicket
The airdash?
neat nest
yeah
cosmic flame
last night I picked up two copies of the core that increases melee damage after you jump at people
wraith vector
Airdash to reposition escape
patent thicket
I do like an airdash.
I use the Warp Pack in Helldivers 2 in a somewhat similar capacity.
grave pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone running? I have time for 1-2
neat nest
I gotta make dinner but I'm down for more after
grave pebble
sweet, i'll be around. i'm just afraid of taking a full blue kit into fills 😅
twin rain
Should be on later tonight. 1-2 hours.
grave pebble
oh, it's actually still quite early, i didn't realise
patent thicket
One other question, how big is it on your hard drive?
neat nest
~20 gigs
patent thicket
That's not bad at all.
neat nest
actually I can be exact haha
grave pebble
yeah i think it does the helldivers 2 thing where it's optimised for SSDs, which literally makes games 1/10th the size for whatever reason
neat nest
It's because for HDD optimization you want to put frequently accessed data in a physical ring
grave pebble
either way, i'm glad, AAA games were getting pretty ridiculous there for a few years
sand sluice
obsidian latch
Did a couple of runs in the morning and managed to extract on all, got some quests done and made some big hauls from dropping other runners. I think I’m slowly getting the hang of this game
sand sluice
Exactly why they're complaining
neat nest
just a little stack of pickles on top of the can
mossy bridge
Pickles yucky agreed
though i've probably never had good pickles and you know what's worse
fast food ketchup
that shit sucks
it ruins everything
grave pebble
Help me understand the UESC lockdowns btw, does it just mean that they can arbitrarily lock you out of finishing a quest at random?
cinder hare
Being anti-virus packs and you can stay in them just fine
grave pebble
so that's what those are for
does it spawn anything worthwhile when you're in there?
cosmic flame
lotta goodies