The enemy Assassin that downed me initially
#Marathon
slate field
warm sage
WAIT THERE WERE SMOKES
neat nest
let me heal and rez
slate field
WAIT THERE WERE SMOKES
And claymores!
warm sage
cartoon dust cloud ass fight
neat nest
and a chem nade and my drone
warm sage
we're yall gunfighting the team by algae?
neat nest
warm sage
I downed the gate teams assassin I'm pretty sure they were just a duo
neat nest
That makes sense
I don't wanna drag too much weird drama but another weird right wing Marathon hater has bizarrely bad gameplay
warm sage
I don't wanna drag too much weird drama but another weird right wing Marathon ha...
that one girl on twitter?
neat nest
yeah haha
warm sage
yeah its kind of a given that most grifters suck balls at this game
it requires teamwork, communication and general tactics
neat nest
This isn't on that level though
warm sage
all which go directly against right wing beliefs LMAO
warm sage
uploading this clip is bold
I'd have to kill everyone who saw this if it was me
if this clip ever made it onto the internet
everyone dying
neat nest
I'd feel worse but she was on that grody "the REAL game awards" stream and also just spams lame right wing videos
warm sage
I'd feel worse but she was on that grody "the REAL game awards" stream and also ...
nah dont feel bad I doubt most of those people play video games to begin with
they'll be gone and moved on to whatever next game they decide is bad for who knows why within the month
neat nest
Yeah, it's really lame
cinder hare
lmao but yeah that is...
I’ll be real though
Some people are just bad at certain genres
Like I’m downright shit at fighting games
But like, there’s a point in where I’m just going to laugh at you
warm sage
https://tenor.com/view/bad-at-game-gif-21316651
okay Dean Takahashi is different
hes an idiot
but like
not a grifter he really DOES play video games
cinder hare
Oh yeah I’m joking
neat nest
Yeah he has a whole discussion of it https://gamesbeat.com/the-deanbeat-our-cuphead-runneth-over/
cinder hare
It’s just that I honestly don’t understand that gameplay (in the marathon clip)
neat nest
It's very inexperienced with shooters is my diagnosis
Lots of misinputs and poor decision making
(like spraying from the hip at range)
cinder hare
I think when I first started I wasn’t horrible
neat nest
Also, weirdly, similar to that SmashJT clip where he plays even worse, her sens is up way too high and it's making her aim bad
cinder hare
Bad, but not horrible
Granted I did start FPS gaming on an iPad on Roblox
So I did somewhat know how to play already
obsidian latch
This isn't on that level though
neat nest
Playing Bugdom in elementary school on the kiddie mode which makes 90% of enemies not attack
And I built up the skill off of that low floor
cinder hare
Yeah i know im like, horrible at fighting games
neat nest
Oh my god I forgot how it looked
cinder hare
But at least I know how to do a LMH 126H combo or so on
warm sage
But at least I know how to do a LMH 126H combo or so on
un ackshually
126 is not an input
it'd be 236/426
sand sluice
it is if the game is lenient enough
warm sage
some games even let you hit 1 button to do a full combo
please dont get me started on SF6
warm sage
its got a neutral state, footsies, an advantage and disadvantage state
but no
Marathon is
A DECKBUILDER
cinder hare
126 is not an input
warm sage
https://tenor.com/view/sol-install-sol-badguy-sol-dragon-install-sol-badguy-drag...
un ackshually HMC's input is 214214H
(I went to the wiki for this cause I don't like GGST enough to remember inputs)
neat nest
A DECKBUILDER
I think there's some truth to that
sharp plover
my first FPS was cod waw on wii
neat nest
Ok so it's an FPS roguelite deckbuilder fighting game with light imsim mechanics
warm sage
https://tenor.com/view/die-must-die-susanoo-blazblue-terumi-gif-20795285
um ackshually
roar of the mad kings input is 2141236C when Astral Conditions are met
sharp plover
multiplayer horror FPS roguelite deckbuilder fighting friendslop game with light imsim mechanics
neat nest
its got a neutral state, footsies, an advantage and disadvantage state
I know we're mostly being silly but Marathon does have a really intense neutral state for an FPS
warm sage
https://tenor.com/view/jia-qiu-limbus-limbus-company-heishou-mao-gif-84313856518...
um ackshually Cut them down, Mao's input is Win Rate
cinder hare
Thats it I cast Your Only Move Is Hustle
And 123 Seven Ballz on deez nuts with Shiv for the Shiv Seven combo 🖕
sharp plover
next level gameplay
cinder hare
yeah if our community is like this marathon aint fuckin dying ever
neat nest
this might actually be the worst way to die in Marathon
cinder hare
all like, 👍 :) 👍
neat nest
And there's a lot of bad ways
warm sage
oh my god
do you think the guy on the receiving end of this even comprehended what happened
neat nest
I wouldn't!
neat nest
all like, 👍 :) 👍
The drone is great
I like the way it hides when you crouch
Which is also good gameplay because it means the drone doesn't reveal your positions as easily
warm sage
holy shit you found Durandal
split apex
Triage seems really simple at first but he has a bizarrely high skill ceiling and a lot of expression
Which is very fun
cosmic flame
I think I’m starting to settle into Recon as a main
execute the runner for info, bart!
neat nest
It’s SO satisfying to get an execute and no pings
split apex
Triage seems really simple at first but he has a bizarrely high skill ceiling an...
In the big triple team kill fight we had a period where us and the last team backed off and reset
I had double drone up, threw them out and basically slammed every med i had
opal elm
oh that's really interesting. How'd it go?
split apex
so our team was back to full while they just didnt have time
fairly sure its why we won the last push
opal elm
Ahhhh
split apex
opal elm
Sick!
neat nest
I had double drone up, threw them out and basically slammed every med i had
Yeah being able to control tempo in neutral is huge with the drones
I have wondered about keeping panacea kits or advanced shield charges in my back pocket for that use case
split apex
I'm pretty much mainlining advanced meds at this point
NuCal 10+ rewards and contracts vomit them out at you
I think once you start getting to levels where Panacea kits are more common taking one in to a raid could be really clutch
But I think the more important things to bring are energy amps and cardio kicks
Especially if you do deep coordination with your team and bring universal mods that extend them on kills
neat nest
That makes sense
neat nest
Yeah they’re so good for rotations
And as Vandal you practically need to take one for most fights
I lowkey think Vandal could use some minor buffs though
neat nest
Mostly I just think it feels a little bad to have the highest base heat cap in the game and such extremely high heat cap moves
split apex
yeah
neat nest
It makes you STRONGLY feel the heat decay speed
split apex
Her and Destroyer are the shells that are gonna feel the most different between baseline and full heat upgrades imo
split apex
cause he also guzzles heat like mad, arguably worse than Vandal
since he has no ult to ameilorate it
neat nest
I feel like it’s a little justified with Thruster since it’s so strong
neat nest
let Vandal shoot in powerslide please
I think that and maybe a couple heat tweaks make her very strong
split apex
~~let Vandal shoot in powerslide please~~
unironically i agree
neat nest
Iirc she could in the Oct playtest and it was very scary
Mostly because it was another mach 5 shotgun rusher shell
But we’ve got one already so what’s another
split apex
lmao yeah
neat nest
It feels bad to be unable to cancel out of or shoot during powerslide though
split apex
its rough when its a lot longer and it could get you caught out
She might feel better with certain cores but those really feel easy come, easy go
neat nest
Yea
cinder hare
I’m curious what the mid season patch brings
My suspicions are most likely
- WSTR nerf
- Longshot nerf
Possibly a game-wide TTK adjustment
I really like when games just go “fuck you brand new meta for the next 2-3 months”
obsidian latch
I love healing drone so much I love how it goes wheeeeeeeeee when I throw it
cinder hare
Healing drone is such a goober
Little drone even goes into “stealth” mode when you crouch
split apex
My suspicions are most likely
- WSTR nerf
- Longshot nerf
WSTR nerf would be dumb
keep shotguns good
cosmic flame
I think wstr nerf is reasonable but probably for its two barrel TTK or reload speed moreso than anything else
it's a really hard gear/aimcheck for any fight inside a building and it's accessible in a way the circuit breaker and misriah aren't
i would need to see actual TTK numbers though
maybe it is just a krill issue if an smg user can't beat them
cosmic flame
yeah again this might just be a perception issue
not having a firing range really sucks for this exact genre of discussion haha
split apex
legitimately i think you just need to play fights as if They Have It and work around things accordingly
split apex
not having a firing range really sucks for this exact genre of discussion haha
ugh yeah
cosmic flame
back in d2 you could just load up a crucible match with darci and calculate the distance in meters that any shotgun could consistently kill
it'd be even easier to test godroll shotguns when you can just buy them on demand
cinder hare
theres a few issues i know of for the WSTR
cinder hare
- fire rate makes it very oppressive to play against
- opportunist
- map design
like its natural, a double barrel shreds
cosmic flame
opportunist is extremely funny
cinder hare
but opportunist gives it the ability to fucking delete you instantly
and the maps are quite tight
which means shotgun supremacy
split apex
just gotta play as if they have it
cinder hare
i think that itself is kinda an issue
if you have to play like everyone WILL have it, it makes it less fun
naturally, everyone has knife
cosmic flame
opportunist letting you majorly beef meatshots and allowing you to not die on the crackback is a little goofy
cinder hare
and of course, snipers exist
but i think that should be a "thing you avoid", over, "do or fucking die"
cinder hare
mmm
either way though, it just gets really weird when the WSTR has so much... power as it is rn
cosmic flame
I wonder how much of recon's status in the current meta is being able to say no to all this woke thruster nonsense from destroyers
cinder hare
my thoughts are increasing the cost, reducing the RoF, and replacing it with a light ammo auto shotty with mid damage but team wipe 1 mag potential with perfect aim
cosmic flame
they should never ever do the last thing
the Uninstaller is a fine function to have in the video game
cinder hare
lmao
split apex
getting rid of the ancestor of the closest competitor to the super shotgun we ever had
no
cinder hare
but i mean in the sense of "you are point blank, they have gray shields, and you tap all their heads twice in a row"
cosmic flame
if anything it's the uptime that I have the most grievance with, you shouldn't get double swung and still win
cinder hare
which snipers can already do
cosmic flame
making them waste shots with something like destroyer shield or just baiting them should be a wincon and it's weird that the reload is so fast that you generally can't punish them when you take into account the recovery of your options
split apex
yeah i wouldnt be opposed to increasing the reload, thats a fair call
the longshot could do with like
a touch lower RoF
that shit refires mighty quick
cinder hare
yeah
the gold mod is hilarious as fuck
but broken as shit if your aim is decently good
cosmic flame
the funny ass ROF increase on headshot mod is some bullllshiit (its allowed to be because-)
yeah lol
i dont really have qualms with the longshot that i dont have with thermals
my longshot Ls have generally just been "damn we didnt know where the hell he was" which like. yes.
wraith vector
my qualm with the snipers is the game refusing to let me have any
getting some decent shots in with the railguns though
cosmic flame
mom can we have the circuit breaker
we have the circuit breaker at home
the circuit breaker at home:
the railgun is such a ballin weapon but it makes me feel sad every time I send a guy to hell and then cannot finish him with a followup shot (this is probably not a problem)
wraith vector
rezzes can get so fast but sending someone to 20 hp on revive still good
but also let Railguns kill people the bullets are described as giant
split apex
I think the Railguns need a faster charge time
quite rough as it stands
(at least the ares)
wraith vector
they need like a niche that isn't taken by shotguns or snipers but idk how to.. settle one
cosmic flame
i think the super low zoom snipe angle is ok, the charge time at base could def use some work though
i find that it actually duels marksman weapons better than the sniper
if you're actively being poked at by a lookout and you try zeroing in on a snipe, you're probably going to get flinched to the sun
split apex
true
cosmic flame
superlow zoom means way less correction needed for flinch so you can wind up around the corner and dink them pretty reliably
ymmv though I always have a couple nasty shots and then get overzealous cause I think I'm zywoo
if you don't have an unceasing urge to int all your advantage away in a teamfight maybe you will be able to abuse this gun more
cinder hare
ugh doing sekguchi 1 sucks
esp cuz destroyed wing is now gone
which means i have to get the ghosts, THEN get into perimeter
sand sluice
Just use drone hidden entrance
split apex
marton
sand sluice
One is basement below drone wing, the other two IIRC is flight control top floor and flight control 2nd floor
cinder hare
oh ok
ivory laurel
MIDA = Marathon Is Damn Attractive
sand sluice
Playing on dire marsh
always something new
Like finding where the guaranteed things are in greenhouse
cinder hare
FINALLY FINISHED IT LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SPONSORED KIT WWWWWWWWWW
THAT WAS A FUCKING 21K RUN
GUH
I’m convinced it’s less “Carmen bad at PvP” and more “Carmen needs people to support her”
I downed a whole team I couldn’t even see with a hardline and pings
Granted they fucking sucked but like, yeah
I also knifed a whole team to death
And a friendly rook because ARACHNEMAXXING
I love when my team drew the aggro allowing me to push a very aggressive flank and take cover as they pushed, forcing their final teammate into panic as I got to boost into the face as they ran for a stab combo
split apex
cinder hare
Also I love my team
We did both intro to Sekguchi and the 1st of the quest that leads to hell
cinder hare
ive been meaning to learn that
man people are terrible at debate
im watching the feedback channels and im watching a case study of every single logical fallacy ever get used in like 4 messages
its insane how people work
split apex
yes
cinder hare
its borderline comedy how bad they are at debate
like, you can say "I like the uesc nerfs but they were a bit excessive"
and then someone will treat you like you just said "ew no you just need to git better"
split apex
<@&1474420814979010821> lookin' for a 3rd
opal elm
I’m for it!
cinder hare
1 am for me so i cant
opal elm
Australian to the rescue
slate field
Damn, I'm too slow
split apex
We got a channel up Polke, file in when ready
cinder hare
hmmm
BORGARBONG
also
i need to learn how to destroyer harder
im getting really solid at playing thief and triage effectively
think i could play vandal well too
i dont like assassin/recon much
i love how marathon made the support feel so good to play
sand sluice
Because it's hero shooter light and supports are less supporty and more utility
So they can do things on their own
cinder hare
i think its also that all their skills can be used offensively
also what if triage could self-reboot
lmao
self-heals, EMP (bit of a meme though), and dmg amp
sand sluice
Yus
Utility
Emp is best if you can catch people off guard cause it disables their abilities temporarily
slate field
Man
Feels bad bringing a full blue kit only to get downed by an entire team ratting in one room
Oh well, needed to clear space in my vault anyway
grave pebble
Emp is best if you can catch people off guard cause it disables their abilities ...
seems like it could combo nicely with 'on-emp' mods too, but it's hard to actually buildcraft in a game where you just straight up lose your shit
like i basically just slap random stuff of whatever rarity i'm willing to burn onto my loadout lol
slate field
Yeah, the "use it and/or lose it" mentality the game seems to be trying to push feels at odds with the buildcraft-iness that was heavily advertised
Then again, when you do have a combo that works really well, it works really well.
Having a few backup cores or chips for your favorite builds isn't a bad idea
cinder hare
yeah i think there needs to be some pve-centric mode
or a non-extraction mode
it doesnt need to have rewards
none at all other than maybe some creds or one-time rewards
slate field
I could see there being story-related one-off PvE missions
But not a fully dedicated game mode
split apex
@opal elm @cosmic flame sorry folks just gimme 5
opal elm
easy, all good
cinder hare
just give me a way to play my V85 purple shields and so on without needing to risk it immediately
cinder hare
But not a fully dedicated game mode
i like to think of a "lockdown" style mode or "sekguchi 5" mode
you're locked into a large-ish PoI
and you get to fight waves of UESC
and some Runner bots?
cinder hare
thinking about it
i do want a firing range
but if we get one i'd like to have a locked room (uses the UESC outpost keys, can be grabbed from a table in the firing range) that opens a small practice arena to shoot at waves of virtual UESC
i do kinda like the idea of being able to try weapons you dont have access to
like you can try a virtual all gold kit
slate field
Just extracted my first time cube
cinder hare
👍
slate field
The noise that the stabilization machine makes is unsettling lol
It's like the thing was trying to get out
slate field
Yeah
slate field
It is a thing
cinder hare
like, "clear waves in 1 poi, get some loot/mats"
slate field
Just kill every other player on the map
slate field
I think some sort of virtual shooting range where you can test all the different weapons against simulated versions of the bots would be nice
cinder hare
and the rest can be "in this mode you dont lose gear"
yeah a sim-fight would be really nice to have
slate field
and the rest can be "in this mode you dont lose gear"
Why bother with making it an extraction shooter, then?
That would be completely missing the point
cinder hare
it's a mode that doesnt have risk, but doesnt have rewards
that's the point
or the rewards are designed only so people dont run sponsored kits 24/7
like say, i have some builds id like to try
but idk if its good
or the item is just that rare so i dont want to use it immediately but i still want to test it out first
i think the ability to test a loadout agaisnt some actual enemies is all that really matters
esp when you can get corner assassin'd or sniped by being unlucky
slate field
Some sort of risk-free test environment would be good, just not as you're suggesting
I don't think a PvE mode would be good for the long-term health of the game, especially when Bungie already has a proverbial Sword of Damocles hanging over their head
It needs to maintain a core player base that will stick with the game, any drastic changes to the formula at this stage would be risky as hell
Not saying it can't/couldn't be done, just not any time soon
mossy bridge
late geyser
SO
I did a solo as rook, farming some mats for the vault expansion
i hit the extract, get into it - and are downed
guy comes up to me, goes for the execute - extract triggers, leaves his mate.
mossy bridge
killing people in exfil the second before it activates is such a fucking dick move i take back anything I’ve said about it before
you don’t even get to loot them you’ve just ruined someone’s day
mossy bridge
this SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY
woeful tundra
it's a mode that *doesnt* have risk, but *doesnt* have rewards
I'm with zul that a fighting game lab / testing environment would be good but an actual pve game mode would just be a waste of game dev resources to split the playerbase and dilute the design
Especially since apex and arcs already exist
Like there's a niche marathon is nailing and imo games are not improved by stapling multiplayer onto doom eternal or whatnot
woeful tundra
like, "clear waves in 1 poi, get some loot/mats"
This is not "doesn't have rewards" - fwiw the chill fuck-it experience is already achieved by rook
Like bluntly I think the core marathon experience that distinguishes it from every other game in the space is that sense of you rifling through a pile of garbage like a raccoon and then stopping and going dead silent because you Heard Something and was that a player? A player nearby? Maybe it was just the uesc opening a door.... Maybe it was just the wind...
That hyper specific comedy paranoia thing
I think if you remove that you've just got worse deep rock galactic
neat nest
The big thing for me for pve is that I think it’s important to not be able to short circuit PvP risk for… any gain really
neat nest
I think it’s important that there’s no situations where you grind pve to get mats/xp/guns for pvp yeah
woeful tundra
Marathon is a horror game
neat nest
I’d love a shooting range for sure yeah
woeful tundra
I think if you remove that you've just got worse deep rock galactic
Come to think of it if you remove that don't you just get... Destiny?
Haven't they reused destiny ai for some of the uesc?
Like their last game was just pve marathon
neat nest
I don’t think it’s direct reuse but aiui some of the wardens basically behave like adjusted destiny field bosses
woeful tundra
That's what I heard from @slow rock yeah
He saw me playing and said the way ghosts move was very destiny
neat nest
Someone was like “oh I remember Wraith Warden it was scrimblo bimblo from Destiny” (I don’t know Destiny well enough to know)
woeful tundra
I don't either yeah
neat nest
That hyper specific comedy paranoia thing
Also yeah big agree it’s so funny when you’re in a tense run and there’s a weird clunk and the whole VC just goes silent for a second
woeful tundra
Yeah like
I dunno I think people are too willing to dilute the thing that actually makes games unique and fun for them
And if the pvp isn't fun I'd point at furry stalker actually as an excellent marathon pve thing
neat nest
Silverfish is really good for that yeah
sand sluice
Welcome back Tarkov PVP vs PVE Discussions
sand sluice
Testing environment would be good.
PVE mode defeats the purpose of the game. And it defeats the purpose of a game that as it stands right now doesn't have many insane game breaking bugs.
Sure you had the north relay bridge insta-kill bug, and yes sometimes you crash (I do with my goofy chonk rig) but it's not nearly as punishing as in Tarkov where you can be one-tapped by an AI or Player across the map, or die because you walk into invisible landmines because it spawns you facing towards landmines with no map.
Infact
the devs are working very actively to ensure their idea of balance is maintained
That's why, in this first patch they
-disabled broken command wing (nerf players)
-disabled free wstr shotguns from rook by making them compromised (nerf players)
-weakened enemy shields and HP (buff players)
-increased ammo and meds spawns (buff players)
mossy bridge
I’d love a shooting range for sure yeah
part of me wishes there was a tarkov hideout
sand sluice
I'd like it but also like
mossy bridge
but like i've said before we're a digitised consciousness on a cyac server
sand sluice
that + we already have faction upgrades which is basically hideout stuff
the main difference is tarkov hideout has some unique gimmicks due to tarkov-isms like fuel management and the gym for daily log-in rewards
or if you use the p2w versions the cultist circle
like IMO I think at most it should be a testing range + trophy room
mossy bridge
yuh
sand sluice
cause it would be very uhh
sand sluice
silly if they like, had you doing faction upgrades AND hideout upgrades lol
yeah exactly
like you know the one thing that I've seen repeated by players who get the USEC helmet from wardens?
"damn I wish it didn't auto sell, I'd like to keep it in my inventory"
a 12k value 4 slot item and players value it more as a trophy more than as a sellable thing
arc raiders has the goofy ducks
tarkov has all the various valuables that you can put on display in your hideout
Marathon has the codex and it hurts a little cause people like collecting things
neat nest
Yeah some kind of space like that would be fun
sand sluice
like fuck dude I'd even keep usec helmets in my vault if it would let me even if it would be an active detriment lel
neat nest
I like the codex a lot but it’d be cool to have something 3d
mossy bridge
yeah
Maybe if you complete a codex entry you get a 3D rotatable model or some concept art
warframe does the latter
sand sluice
bungie will prob do like
real life achievement buyables at some point for marathon
but also just collecting stuff in-game is a thing a lot of people like
and like
can put some deeper personalization to the extraction shooter namesake that a lot of extraction shooters have
and tbf I get why they auto sell valuables
because it would be very easy to goof and accidentally sell a salvage stack when trying to sell valuables in your vault with how selling things currently works
but uhh to cycle back around (cause I know I have a habit of derailing stuff some)
if you find yourself going "I wish Marathon had a PVE mode"
My advice would be to just ask yourself why
void stirrup
What Marathon really needs is Gambit and Plates
sand sluice
what be that?
void stirrup
Oh god you haven't played Destiny, have you
neat nest
I haven’t haha
void stirrup
There's way too much explaining to do there and I'm on my way to uni lmao
neat nest
Except a teeny little bit of D2
void stirrup
yeah no that's mostly D2 relevant
void stirrup
Kinda, yeah.
sand sluice
yeah I saw that
void stirrup
It's not really MOBA-y but it's close enough ig
void stirrup
It lacks the "one player can make the entire team crash and burn" factor to be like a MOBA /hj
sand sluice
we might/might not get that depending on how bungie does later stuff
I'm a little salt Cyro opens on a Sunday
twin rain
It's two teams PvE-ing for score (enemies drop things that you walk over to collect and have to bring back to a central bank) but with one guy electing to go fuck with the other team at dedicated intervals (you drop the points if you die)
sand sluice
9-5 workers get 1 day maybe and then have to go back to work 
neat nest
sand sluice
https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif...
I just got a new work certification, that's why I'm not at 100 hours of martoning yet 
neat nest
I’ve also been missing like 90% of the arg because peak solve happens during work hours
sand sluice
yeah
neat nest
But that’s fine really
sand sluice
I hope it's fine and that we're not missing something in-game
also I'm still salt
I only have C.03
I want the others
I've killed all the wardens a few times now
neat nest
I’ve got a C.06 key and nothing else haha
sand sluice
bingus I need you more than markus needs seasalt so I can ge the other keys 
sand sluice
I’ve got a C.06 key and nothing else haha
well it's frustrating cause like
I'm just now starting to get more blue shields from things
I feel like I've somehow been loot nerfed
in reality I just need to play better and wipe more lobbies obv
neat nest
I have felt that way about a bunch of things but I think it’s just pattern seeking brain glitches
sand sluice
yeah
like all in all I am getting a bunch of schemas
and I have like
the circuit breaker
and had the mistral
also I like
really need to see the TTKs
cause I do not feel like the volley is something I would choose over the m77
tbf bungie might be trying to avoid firing range for a bit so they can see how players feel organically about things
but also that's me giving an excuse to not having a testing range
neat nest
cause I do not feel like the volley is something I would choose over the m77
Volley has nicer scopes imo
sand sluice
yeh but that's cause M77 has the built in scope
I just like it more generically
even though I think the uhh
neat nest
These cryo pods lowkey look like they’d fool Jordan Peterson
sand sluice
what smg was it
it's not an SMG right
I think I like the impact HAR more
omg
apparently there are ++ backpacks
with 32 slots
late geyser
These cryo pods lowkey look like they’d fool Jordan Peterson
i hate that i understand this joke
explode
neat nest
Haha 🧨
neat nest
Interesting to me (though unsurprising) that Marathon has a sizable Chinese playerbase
Interesting mostly meaning “I wonder what their memes are like?” Here
sand sluice
Izen might know but would be better to ask him in general video games as I don't think he's in the forum thread
sand sluice
neat nest
Fuck me trinkets are so good
I also saw a Traxus one
Which was just “get a lot of Traxus rep on exfil”
sand sluice
neat nest
This is weird with Nona’s weird story about being sad when the shells die
Dog I think she wants to see us suffer and grow
Wait oh my god we killed someone with this contract up last night
late geyser
Let me into Cryo
i can be trusted near the sleeping people
i can be so normal about AI
sharp plover
its not even "later", i think its like the third one?
sand sluice
@neat nest
Gold mag on Impact H-AR ramps up like devotion from Apex/Titanfall
sand sluice
one sec gotta wait for streamer to get to after raid
also you can bhop with thief grapple it looks like
cinder hare
This is not "doesn't have rewards" - fwiw the chill fuck-it experience is alread...
Yeah that’s why I didnt express it as “thing it could be”
I honestly wouldn’t even care if it’s just a firing range button that lets you summon waves of UESC
Since I would assume there’s a whole set of systems to do that super easily in the background already
indigo oriole
i keep trying to use other shells but nothing hits like triage... nothing helps keep my randoms alive like triage, or gives me a little buddy bot that hides with me
cinder hare
It’s really hard to express an spectrum of opinions and thoughts on the internet ngl
neat nest
Oh the Bully
cinder hare
There’s the “reload on kill” mod that makes this weapon fucking hilarious
neat nest
I though you were talking about the Impact
sand sluice
Sorry I got it mixed up
sand sluice
also prestige ammo backpack generates ammo it looks like
sand sluice
indigo oriole
how are yall feeling about the gun sound changes
on perimeter and marsh everything feels loud as fuck
neat nest
I don’t love it it makes it harder for me to gauge the danger of shots
indigo oriole
yeah, i feel overly paranoid now
neat nest
With the old one you can be pretty sure you’re close to people
Now I hear people clearing adds on spawn in AI uplink from north of greenhouses
placid oxide
Definitely makes threat assessment harder. Now I mostly try to rely on footsteps and other noises.
neat nest
I do think it’s sort of over-hated
indigo oriole
given that they seem to take feedback well, i imagine this will continue to get tuned over time
neat nest
But I feel like it gives less situational awareness and makes me feel the need to crossmap rush gunshots to make it more likely I engage instead of getting engaged on
Yeah I wouldn’t mind it being a little longer than it was on launch (since gunshots were always closer than I expected then) but this feels too big rn
sand sluice
It makes it easier for me to W key people
indigo oriole
same when i saw people sort of overreacting to the enemy hp change; i imagine several patches early on will be tuning the uesc hp/damage ranges
neat nest
I think some of the reaction (people finding themselves getting third partied more often) has more to do with more aggression and confidence in the playerbase than just the sound changes
But the sound changes make it easier to aggress
indigo oriole
true i DO have a better sense of like... when i should actually engage someone
i have a better idea of what my weapons do
sand sluice
I'm curious how suppressed guns sound now comparitively cause before it felt like I didn't need to run them
wraith vector
The problem is when I get the jump on people it's because of my cunning tactics but when people catch me looting it's because they are evil
neat nest
Suppressors carry a very short distance
I think they’re quite strong for clearing areas without announcing it
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone up?
neat nest
At woik
cinder hare
I think they’re quite strong for clearing areas without announcing it
suppressors are hella good yep yep
i had one on my volt once, i think it won me the fight
neat nest
I started respecting them more after getting a string of suppressed CEs on Rook
twin rain
You can probably buy them from a vendor (traxus?). Squad coordination on suppressors could be fun
neat nest
I think my favorite (accidental) squad loadout was 3x LMGs 3x wstrs
Just a walking firebase
twin rain
Arachne coded loadout
neat nest
We killed 9 runners that run
twin rain
But yeah sounds like a blast. I looted the exact same one off of someone the other night and found it rewarding
neat nest
Sounds like audio is getting looked at
neat nest
Sweet
indigo oriole
glad to see it
indigo oriole
goofy little fun, knocked out a guy right as he got me so we're both just dying on the ground, he got on prox and asked "wanna race" so we crawled down the hallway as fast as we could
distant zinc
who won
indigo oriole
he did
neat nest
Lmao
echo scroll
My usual reaction to a trade is going on prox and being like “great now look what you did, was it worth it?”
Though yesterday I had one where I had a self revive and he didn’t, wished him luck on the next one and sent him on his way
indigo oriole
😭 this rook just tried to jump into our exfil at the last second and we KNIFED his ass so fast
sorry buddy this is our exit
placid oxide
load in to Perimeter to with a full kit to make some room in vault, and proceed to immediately crash on load-in
sure hope I'm alive when I come back
neat nest
Augh
sand sluice
load in to Perimeter to with a full kit to make some room in vault, and proceed ...
Happens to me sometimes lel
cosmic flame
neat nest
Sekiguchi Genetics
mossy bridge
mossy bridge
replace the flouride cup with tick milk and the jet with a UESC dropship
wintry shuttle
Cyberacme: Corpo's financing everything
Nucal: Slighty better corpo's wondering what happened to their investment
Traxus: Money
MIDA: ANARCHY!
Arachne: [Censored]
Seki: Space Worm Grandma
neat nest
I think it’s neat how Arachne also has revive speed upgrades
Since the cyclicality of life and death is so important to them
ivory laurel
I live! I die! I LIVE AGAIN!
wintry shuttle
Heh
Triage: You want to remember, Thief, I was a soldier. I have killed people.
Thief: You were a doctor!
Triage: I HAD BAD DAYS!
neat nest
What map?
cinder hare
perimeter
i just wanted to pick up some ammo and fresh guns to fight wardens with
ngl marathon is a horror game but im the horror
well, provided im not fighting CQB
idk but its really easy to shoot people i cant even see properly
sand sluice
Told you that you were lol
cinder hare
cinder hare
Told you that you were lol
?
cinder hare
who did you get the drop on!?
3 runners, after camping an exfil for a moment and noticing someone
wintry shuttle
idk but its really easy to shoot people i cant even see properly
Oh man, I remember just microwaving one guy who just blundered through the water in Dire Marsh.
Literally spawned next to me with a kitted LMG.
cinder hare
had a V66 and i think a CE
cinder hare
even with the shield
my favorite guns are the V66, Longshot, Hardline, Repeater, etc
sand sluice
First shooter and height really
Yeah height has been making me reconsider focusing on triage so much
late geyser
Triage is really strong in a group
sand sluice
Cause vandal and thief can deal with height better
cinder hare
esp since Marathon gives you a lil bit of aim assist
neat nest
That’s Triage’s only real weakness yeah
sand sluice
Triage is really strong in a group
Triage is what I use in solos lmao
wintry shuttle
I like to use Tick bomber to get the jump.
late geyser
Just being able to rez a teamie on command is so HUGE
neat nest
No mobility tricks
wintry shuttle
I like to use Tick bomber to get the jump.
Jump people first so they don't jump you.
neat nest
(Recon shares it)
late geyser
Triage is what I use in solos lmao
see i pick the Security Officer
enhanced sprint and jump dash are useful repos tools
sand sluice
But I've got strong enough raw fundamentals that people will jump me and will lose because I react on point
Also I found out that uhh
Triage's weapon amp applies emp on shield break
I've been trying to work out emp build on triage
late geyser
yep!
sand sluice
So now that I know that it's a lot easier to think about it lel
cinder hare
btw is it worth the 8 uesc obedience matrixes to get a key template
cinder hare
this is THE assassin mod isnt it
<@&1474420814979010821> in the mood to kill a wraith warden
sand sluice
Yes I'll join
sand sluice
Gonna be a bit tho like an hour or two tho 😭
cinder hare
oh oki then
split apex
I started respecting them more after getting a string of suppressed CEs on Rook
I'm actually pretty certain that Rook gets a guaranteed suppressor on their pistol once you get the first Traxus capstone
neat nest
I'm actually pretty certain that Rook gets a guaranteed suppressor on their pist...
Oh that makes sense, I did keep getting V11s though
split apex
Oh that makes sense, I did keep getting V11s though
That comes with a suppressor too!
echo scroll
key rooms good? also downed someone with a trap bag and they were stunned and had no idea they were in the game
sand sluice
key rooms good? also downed someone with a trap bag and they were stunned and ha...
From what I understand key rooms have the strongest loot pool outside of C.OX keys from wardens
neat nest
I don’t think the Marathon keys have a use yet either
But that’s also my understanding- named room keys are the strongest concentrations of good loot you’re guaranteed to spawn
(Aiui lockdowns can be better)
placid oxide
Really? I got a Greenhouse Lab key I need to run sometime.
final onyx
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone down for a few runs?
sand sluice
(Aiui lockdowns can be better)
Lock downs I havent had a chance to checkout but due to the 3 phase part of it I wouldn't doubt it
twin rain
I'm Lancering tonight, maybe later!
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone down for a few runs?
Half an hour I need to cook a little stuff first
Unless @sand sluice is here then I’ll play now
cinder hare
https://bskye.app/profile/marathonthegame.bungie.net/post/3mgxsxhg5ek22
inb4 “In order to attract a mate, the Rook must first skin a Vandal, as the shirt is quite appealing to a fellow mate. However, like a Preying Mantis, only one leaves at the end of the ritual”
sharp plover
oh shit apparently the Caves of Qud guys worked on Marathon https://bsky.app/profile/unormal.bsky.social/post/3mgxuq25oq22q
neat nest
Huuuuh
sharp plover
and Rob McLees is a Bungie vet who hasn't worked there for over a decade
created most of the weapons in Halo: CE, designed the Flood, wrote a ton of stuff incl. chunks of the story bible at one point
split apex
Holy shit
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone wanna game now?
final onyx
me
cinder hare
sand sluice
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone wanna game now?
doing warden kills?
I'm available now
split apex
<@&1474420814979010821> looking for a 3rd
cinder hare
late geyser
had some TERRIBLE beats today
split apex
sure
cinder hare
I love Marton
sand sluice
goofy assassin thought I didn't have my own shotgun just because I shot him with 2 other guns
donated his shotgun, his blue shield, and his blue backpack to me
cinder hare
Damn that’s kinda smart
neat nest
It’s a good trick cause the wstr is tiny
late geyser
goofy assassin thought I didn't have my own shotgun just because I shot him with...
Keep that thang on you
sand sluice
Damn that’s kinda smart
it's a trick I picked up awhile back when fighting wardens because I figured the best way to fight them is volt weapons so I would pickup a volt thrower or punch if I had the space even if I had 2 guns already
and most wstrs sell for like 1.2k so they're about worth 300 credits per space, more if they have mods
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> who wanna wraith war war
warm sage
<@&1474420814979010821> who wanna wraith war war
you know what
I was just doing that earlier
cinder hare
you know what
ight lemme finish this run
twin rain
I may join as well
sand sluice
@neat nest
did all 3 lockdowns solo
neat nest
wow nice
neat nest
CO.6 key?
sand sluice
yeppers
neat nest
interesting
I don't think I've seen anyone get a CO.7
I'm kinda wondering if you can only get that from Cryo
neat nest
I gotta admit I'm gonna be a little annoyed if you need to grind out keys to interact with Cryo at all
I'm guessing you'll be able to in some respect without them
But I'm really curious how
placid oxide
Could see it used to bypass a given room/section on the way deeper in?
neat nest
My honest guess is that they're vault keys for areas/cuts in the map similar to treasure room keys for the rest of the game
placid oxide
I’d hope that’s all it is
neat nest
And the cryo ante is the old leaked stuff with minimum gear costs and no hard-kill revives
split apex
yeah i figure there's gotta be a mainline level of loot and access
it's gonna be stupidly hostile no matter what though
twin rain
woooooo! just snuck in behind a team into pinwheel (first time there for me) and took em out! then got lost and I was the only one to make it to final exfil with 10s remaining!
love me a sponsored run 🙂
placid oxide
I’ve stuck my nose into Pinwheel twice and both times have promptly had my head taken off by a shotgun blast
cinder hare
@neat nest this might be a good guide for the requests
if we want to pin more info
cinder hare
I need to grind this route ngl
cinder hare
yeah im convinced marathon gives me 3 of the worst runs ever to give me the most stacked fucking runs ever
what does this mean???
neat nest
Visited the cow room huh
cinder hare
apparently
i went into dorms (w/ key ally had)
also i hate how there's no anti-zoom sniper mods
i want my snipers to have like, 2x magni
i like the idea of a "Mid Combat" sniper scope
that gives you 2x zoom, anti-fog vision, but not much more
sand sluice
oh coming around to my side are you on the "I wish the sniper rifles had ironsights"?
cinder hare
oh coming around to my side are you on the "I wish the sniper rifles had ironsig...
I always thought the zoom was too strong ngl
I used to main red dot across the map sniper
distant zinc
And the cryo ante is the old leaked stuff with minimum gear costs and no hard-ki...
wdym cryo ante
i’m not familiar with any of the older leaks
cinder hare
wdym cryo ante
Basically the idea is Cryo is hardcore to Marathon’s hardcore
distant zinc
that would be sick
cinder hare
It’s also why the game gives you golds and shit much more easily than some other games might
distant zinc
a minimum gear cost would go hard i think
cinder hare
Just keep grinding and you’ll be guaranteed gold items no matter what
distant zinc
the most fun fights i’ve had are also the most kitted out ones
cinder hare
I could theoretically sell everything and get a fully maxed golden everything kit right now
I’m at 70k
It costs about 100~125k for a everything gold level kit
sand sluice
oh they're in the shop?
distant zinc
i’m sitting at like 80 i think but i haven’t unlocked that shit for purchase
cinder hare
Not backpacks
distant zinc
been too busy fucking around and dying
cinder hare
But implants, gun mods, cores are all gold tier available
Like you can get golden torso from Arachne, I think golden legs from Mida, etc
And then Arachne sells a gold LMG, and Sekiguchi sells gold cores
The only rule is “keep grinding”
Also 3 month wipes…
I hope that each wipe comes with a balance patch that changes up the shop options
It’d be funny and fun to make the V22 really strong and a late game barter option that costs 12k to buy
It’s so interesting watching people talk about the ttk
It feels really good in some cases and really fast in others
ivory laurel
Ouf
ivory laurel
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone wanna squad up?
slate field
I would love to but I must slep
sand sluice
trying out vandal in solos
I can def use her kit to win a lot more than triage but fuck is it rough if I ever have to re-engage if I don't have meds
grave pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> Anyone wanna squad up?
still running? I'd be down
ivory laurel
still running? I'd be down
COuld do a couple more, ye
sand sluice
starting to get the hang of her solo
indigo oriole
oak glacier
So nice of durandal to take a break from doing whatever durandal does and do his best David Attenborough
random vessel
finally played enough to get the thief codex
grave pebble
ayy, first marathon key
final onyx
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone want to play?
ivory laurel
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone want to play?
Ye
final onyx
going to SSC channel
mossy bridge
nucal selection pressures 4/4 is gving me so much trouble
I'm still upset over the run that ended with me dying due to a three stack at exfl
I also keep getting the bugged spawn location
The one where you cant access the capsule
If not that then I get spawned at like, West Gate or Maintenance
mossy bridge
dire marsh sucks
game loves spawning me 500 meters away from it
have to run to bioresearch and then quarantine
locked in a room with a bunch of UESC breach recruits and ghosts
and THEN you have to exfiltrate
oh and it's bugged right now so one of the spawn locations wont let you pick up the sample you need
It's parasitism 5/5 again
neat nest
lol everyone's getting stream sniped
oak glacier
theyre not in a private lobby???
neat nest
Supposedly this is a normal format for extraction tournaments?
Like everyone goes into pubs and is hunting the same custom objectives
neat nest
ok got my drops
neat nest
I think it's fine for ammo and such to be small
hoarding it doesn't help as much and it means that the high level ammo barters don't wreck your vault
twin rain
the small stacks was kinda nice in a "how many runs worth of stacks do I have" sort of way, but I'm looking forward to the squish
it becomes more of a "do you have ammo or not" instead of "do I have too much ammo"
though being able to see rows and rows of volt batteries was a good sign to bring a scar or volt thrower
chrome rapids
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone down for some chill runs in a few minutes?
twin rain
sure
tawdry sequoia
neat nest
ivory laurel
I be in ssc
Got spot for one more?
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> need to burn some gear
final onyx
i can join
cinder hare
look i straight up have like 12 runs worth of blue gear 😭
final onyx
this gun is blue for an amazing reason
mossy bridge
yearn.
cinder hare
neat nest
crazy comeback from Bearki after a tragic round 1
also beat that burnt demon 
(she was literally in last place at the end of round 1 of 3)
indigo oriole
im all for beating that evil
mossy bridge
also beat that burnt demon <:o7:527511893112258570>
that burnt DEVIL...
final onyx
my knowledge of peanut is limited to streamerbro thumbnails of his and this image
neat nest
the gist of why I dislike him is that he won best content creator at the game awards and then copped a ban for slurs like 4 days later
He's popular rn and seems to like Marathon a lot though
final onyx
which slurs
cinder hare
watching some bearki rn
just to get the drops
yeah watching shroud is like a completely different experience
neat nest
Her coverage of the initial alpha was something which got me into the game
Shroud is fun but jfc he's a sweaty monster player
cinder hare
yeah
watching bearki is like, actually enjoying the game
and then shroud is like backwards long jump tap strafing while TTKminning
mossy bridge
this quest is impossible
oh my god
every single time even if i manage to complete it i die to someone while trying to exfil
neat nest
hes silly
cinder hare
what the fuck
neat nest
he brings a billion ammo and then wipes the lobby and drops it for loot
cinder hare
i
neat nest
I guess he ran out of ammo once and was just like "never again"
neat nest
yeah word lol
chrome rapids
How do i get the role for marathon?
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> i need to burn this kit lmao
hmmm
should i try to solo outpost
late geyser
absolutely.
woeful tundra
is anyone else having issues getting their twitch drops to show up in game?
is there anything you're supposed to do?
cinder hare
it takes a good bit of time iirc
usually if you just wait youll get em at some point
god i really wanna use this but not unless im with a trio
neat nest
is anyone else having issues getting their twitch drops to show up in game?
I know a lot of people are but they're trickling out
late geyser
god i really wanna use this but not unless im with a trio
twin tap hbr?
i barely know hbr
sand sluice
actually you know what, I change my mind, I don't care to learn more about influencers rn
sand sluice
I know a lot of people are but they're trickling out
they took a full week for me
cosmic flame
destroyer mind control convinces blue shield wstr goons to walk into two consecutive claymores
I have never felt stupider for making what was objectively the right play
neat nest
lmfao
cosmic flame
first guy pushes
grave pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone runnin? Have a fancy blue kit i need to feed to a rando
cosmic flame
i put down a claymore
he dies
second guy pushes
i put down a claymore
he dies
cinder hare
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone runnin? Have a fancy blue kit i need to feed to a...
Lmao yeah I need to feed randoms
Too many good runs lmao
Gimme 10
cosmic flame
'it sounds like you're just feeding teammates into grenades' and nona started crying
grave pebble
marathon is about the community
grave pebble
Lmao yeah I need to feed randoms
sure i'm just chilling in voice\
twin rain
"he can't have that many claymores"
cosmic flame
THE HUMBLE MINE SPREAD:
twin rain
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone runnin? Have a fancy blue kit i need to feed to a...
I can join too
grave pebble
I can join too
please!
cinder hare
I want to do a match with a WSTR, purple backpack, and enough claymores to fill the entirety of hauler (a purple backpack full)
cosmic flame
I literally cannot win that situation using my actual gun either because I just get outskilled by the wstr
oak glacier
bungie does seem to be listening so maybe there will be changes
cosmic flame
it's just funny to see the full-gear rock throwers run into a sponsor kit user with scissors
twin rain
I think a good change (if any) would be a large increase to initial recoil impulse. enough such that two rapid pulls will likely miss if you're across the room, but not at point blank.
personally I do not have a problem with the wstr
cosmic flame
I think it's too good but I don't want it to be unusable or a fundamentally different gun
cinder hare
Reduce the rof I think?
grave pebble
increase the reload time so whiffs are more punishable?
cinder hare
One of the big issues is people being able to do a haha opportunist 8 barrel shotgun
cosmic flame
reload time is my personal vote for a wstr fix, followed by rof
grave pebble
One of the big issues is people being able to do a haha opportunist 8 barrel sho...
yeah i saw that clip of someone ultraspamming a warden, that shit is clearly busted
neat nest
I think they gotta cut down the rof so it's closer to (but faster than) the misriah
cosmic flame
lowkey I think it's very funny in pve but in pvp it's a little stupid
oak glacier
i do wish we had some kind of training grounds to test stuff
cinder hare
I would like a pvp arena mode
cosmic flame
so let's see whether or not bungie decides they're running on bhvr time