Like it's all tick vibes
#Marathon
twin rain
prooobably not on the marathon (as it's supposedly a native lifeform on tcIV. Unless they brought some up for study, which seems dumb), but it'd be fun for a cave/underground section/map
grave pebble
i love painting a target on my center mass
cosmic flame
i typically get put in the triage chair but playing destroyer is like having a big shirt with WHATEVER YOU DO TO MY DUO ILL DO TO YOU on it
sharp plover
Seven hundred and sixty one armless and legless corpses float inconspicuously around the inside of hangar ninety six.
sand sluice
these stupid dire marsh keys are gonna make me tilt
I do not care about that map
jfc devs
quit giving me 7 dire marsh keys
sand sluice
I wish they would give me good loot
killed tox warden 3 times
no backpacks or shields
sand sluice
I know it's so goofy
cosmic flame
the keys could be anything, even golds!
cinder hare
i hate trying to do quests in dire
cinder hare
Hate trying to do quests and having enemy runners just gank you instantly if you don’t see them first
wraith vector
Outpost.. is good
split apex
marton good
obsidian latch
cosmic flame
croikey runnah give these bloody uesc cunts the farkin what-for couldja mate yiewwwwwwwwww
break twenty pieces of farkin glass across tau ceti for me cobber
split apex
thanks _gantry
cosmic flame
thanks _gantry
we know he must be australian because not only does he have an accent, but in keeping with the stereotypes of all australian characters in video games he sells grenades and claymores
cosmic flame
he pronounces MIDA with an o
it's incredibly funny how obvious the accent is
WE AHHH MOIDAH
wintry shuttle
and not a Brummie accent?
split apex
because its extremely obvious in his accent yeah lmao
wintry shuttle
Or to be funnier...Yorkshire
obsidian latch
why Aussie
Even 800 years in the future they’re all still criminals
cosmic flame
and they're involved with yet another colony ship
the jokes literally write themselves
wintry shuttle
Mad Max has truly done great damag-
FRIEND!!!!
I FUCKING LOVE THAT DRONE AND ITS FACE!!!
cosmic flame
holy shit the creature
wintry shuttle
HE'S SO HAPPY!!!!
cosmic flame
wintry shuttle
Also, the artist whose work has been posted? He did another Runner yuri post.
Community is really leaning either Vandal/Blackbird or Vandal/Thief.
cosmic flame
yeah sure lets marton it
split apex
cinder hare
I love how Gantry is all xXHackerManXx (actually IS hackerman)
But he’s all like
“Make the UESC commander shit himself” (btw this will unlock the keys to the UESC marathon and turn all the bobs into janes)
obsidian latch
_gantry operates on levels we can’t conceive of
cosmic flame
im gonna die
split apex
when did it start again
cinder hare
I kinda wish weapons didn’t have such insanely different values
Like an Overrun costing 50 while a Zeus would cost you 16k
split apex
i mean
they have vastly different availabilities and effectiveness
an overrun is pure cheeks without mods where a zeus will just gib you
vivid flower
I see they did not give back gear for yesterday crash
cinder hare
oh yeah but the 16k is just extreme imo
split apex
sure, but that also lets you sell it for a bunch of credits by the same token
cinder hare
i mean to buy one it costs 16k
from a schema, that is
that feels a touch too much
id prefer if guns cost no more than say, 8k on average
slate field
I think 16k is fine for something that can down most players in one shot. You can make that many credits with just a few good runs
cinder hare
in all fairness the WSTR exists
cinder hare
and point blank is a fairly accessible range
slate field
(Unless you're bad like me lol)
slate field
Seriously though I don't know what it is but for some reason I get the adrenaline shakes whenever I use the WSTR
I don't do that with any other weapon
cinder hare
btw the overrun has 126 DPS
its only reason for being bad is cuz it's base ammo is 20
slate field
It certainly doesn't feel like 126 DPS most of the time
cinder hare
yeah base ammo 20 hurts it a lot
slate field
For me it's because its range and recoil is bad
Ammo cap is easy to fix with a mag mod
split apex
it has bad sights and significant upward recoil, it is cheeks until you slap on mods and then it's perfectly serviceable
slate field
It's sort of the definition of Fine
cinder hare
its recoil is honestly really managable
it's a bit more of a mid-close weapon than one would expect it to be
slate field
It honestly feels more like a sluggish SMG than an AR to me
cinder hare
tbh it feels fairly AR-like
and ive used actual ARs
video game effect imo
lots of guns shoot really fucking fast
the M16 fires at about 750 RPM
the Overrun is 720 RPM
slate field
I wasn't talking about it's fire rate
cinder hare
what i mean is it feels about right in my hands
slate field
I'm happy for you
cinder hare
like, it feels like an actual AR, minus the umph of the recoil you get in real life
the audio for it kinda sucks though
slate field
I think it sounds fine actually
cinder hare
doesn't feel punchy in the "im unloading a full mag" sense
slate field
I don't think it's really meant to sound super punchy
It's the $50 budget AR you pick off a UESC grunt behind the dumpster, which you use to get yourself a better gun
cinder hare
shouldnt punch too much
it could be a little stronger though
its a fine weapon imo
slate field
I'm curious what the gold-tier mods for it look like
cinder hare
only issue i have with it, genuinely, is the magazine
i quite like it, it just eats ammo a bit too fast for practicality on a sponsored kit
slate field
Magazine's the biggest problem with it but also the easiest to fix comparatively speaking
Incremental improvements to say, recoil or reload speed from mods are less significant compared to extra rounds in the mag
slate field
Gotta make it divisible by 7, 21/28 or bust
cinder hare
why
slate field
Because Bungie
cinder hare
20 aint 21 lol
slate field
Lemme check
slate field
Dang
Was on a pretty good solo streak earlier
I've been putting off the Traxus priority contracts until tonight, and I've been completing them first try so far
Which is funny because I remember them being a right pain in the ass during the server slam
I think I died trying to get that first one done at least a dozen times before
cinder hare
i finished all of em
cosmic flame
i hate traxus
cosmic flame
i think i died somewhere between four or five times with rods in my inventory
in this most recent incarnation
cinder hare
too much pvp at all the wrong times
cinder hare
like man, i just wanna make the UESC commander eat the taco bell
stop fucking killing me i have a sponsored kit
cosmic flame
just an elaborate bungie psyop to funnel people into one of the most hellish pois in the game
followed by checks notes fucking hauler
cinder hare
i dont know why it sucks so hard if you're not a pvp freak
hauler is fineeeeee
like genuinely fine
cosmic flame
say sike right now
that place is an invitation to have the entire lobby pass you around like a blunt
slate field
Yeah, Hauler is fine as long as you remember to check your corners and listen
I find it hilarious that you can go down into the driver's cabin and honk the horn
Basically declaring to the whole lobby that you're down to clown
cosmic flame
constant influx of high-tier UESC makes it basically one giant soundtrap that also happens to box you in nicely to be force-fed wstr
slate field
Yeah, Hauler is fine as long as you remember to check your corners and listen
Also if you bring claymores. So many claymores.
cosmic flame
although the worst part might be when you're the third party and you lose to the people inside
possibly the most humiliating experience possible
Boy I Hope I Don't Lose Everything
distantly The Lose Everything Factory
slate field
That's disgusting
cosmic flame
ive never been happier to be able to use employment as an excuse to not be good at games
cinder hare
pvp is fun but it feels terrible without a trio guhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I NEED a team who can comm
otherwise all i do is bring overruns into outpost, get loot for upgrades, and exfil
slate field
The most fun I've had with this game so far has been in solos. No obnoxious braindead randos to get in my way.
cinder hare
and cuz outpost is easy asf to farm
i LOVE the pve in this game
i like pvp but not too much
i expect myself to like arc raiders, but imo the game feels kinda ugly and just doesnt vibe right esp w/ ai shits
slate field
Arc Raiders does look kind of hideous in my eyes as well
I'm less stingy about the AI aspect because they are doing genuinely interesting things with it, but it's definitely not a good look
distant zinc
solos suck to play imo
solos has been fun when i treat it like resident evil
distant zinc
I'm less stingy about the AI aspect because they are doing genuinely interesting...
imo the ai voices just sound bad lmaooo that’s always been my biggest issue
slate field
Yeah, the idea behind it is sound (training the AI with paid voice actors so you don't have to record hundreds of different specific callout voicelines), but the technology just isn't there
The main thing that's kept me away from Arc Raiders is the community
Some Arc Raiders fans are real cult-like
And they've been plaguing the Marathon Discord server and shitting on the game since day 1 of the alpha. Very astroturfy behavior.
Like, if you want to get me to play your game, barging into another game's Discord just to shit on it is a great way to get me to Not Do That
slate field
<@&1474420814979010821> Oh hey https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3065800/view/542258317343329107?l=english
mossy bridge
split apex
dang 
mossy bridge
<@&1474420814979010821> Oh hey https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3065800/v...
Munitions crates and med cabinet spawns increased on perimeter, more ammo in CyAc, MIDA and Arachne free kits, THERMALS NERFED AND MORE MAG SIZE FOR THE OVERRUN
thank GOD
slate field
That med cabinet spawn increase is a godsend
mossy bridge
mossy bridge
That med cabinet spawn increase is a godsend
Now maybe I can finish this contract for CyAc
slate field
I'm trying to get Dermachem Packs so I can upgrade Self-Repair Speed
I have no idea why they're so exclusively hard to get compared to every other green salvage item in the game
slate field
Pinwheel Base. And nowhere else.
mossy bridge
Hauler has biostripping, station has wire, relays have the hard drives and blue thingies that I forget the name of
split apex
yeah its exclusively in pinwheel
slate field
Most of the changes with this patch are good
split apex
there are a lot of them in pinwheel at least
slate field
Yeah, but good luck getting in and out solo/with randos
split apex
that's what Rook and Sponsored Kits are for, tbf
slate field
Ha. Haha,
patent thicket
Which is also a reference to the original Marathon. The pistol you get at the start is a “.44 Mega Class.”
split apex
¯_(ツ)_/¯
slate field
Rooks Together Strong (except when they aren't)
The one good Outpost Rook run I had, I ran into I think 5 other friendly Rooks throughout the course of the run, and managed to exfil at literally the last second with 3 of them
Every other time I was baited by other Rooks hoping they'd be friendly
I wasted hours of my life for like, 4 out of the 6 Dermachem Packs I needed
Anywho, server's live again
mossy bridge
i wish there was some original marathon music remixes in the game
ryan lott's music is fantastic and i wouldnt trade anything for it
but also i need to hear rushing
slate field
I need to hear some version of that Power of Seven riff from the main menu music
If any map is gonna have classic remixes it'll be on the colony ship itself, I'll bet
mossy bridge
this one is just gonna happen one day
patent thicket
What’s the Rook do?
sand sluice
I'm annoyed cause I really like a lot of the changes
But I really wanted to finish optimizing the destroyed wing before they nerfed it
I'm already super behind the curve by not being level 50 or having a faction vip'd yet 
Also I find it funny how they nerfed thermals
split apex
I'm already super behind the curve by not being level 50 or having a faction vip...
c'mon, reverb, no you aren't lol
the curve is not The Top 1% of Players
distant zinc
i would actually love to know where most players are at by now
personally i am quite a bit lower than i was at this point in the slam because ive been fucking around too much trying to get clips
tawdry sequoia
I'm on the 'it's the workweek y'all' part of the curve 
it's a crazy month for releases too, if we're just talking gaming
bitter sable
patent thicket
I don’t have the game yet, still on the fence.
fallow coyote
personally i am quite a bit lower than i was at this point in the slam because i...
i'm only at like
level 24 ish
sand sluice
the curve is not The Top 1% of Players
Im at 50 hrs give or take so I should be higher but I know I'm behind on lvls because solo which is out of my control.
I have killed all 3 wardens but I'm missing CS.O keys 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6.
I also am behind skill wise cause I'm arguably not practicing enough mechanics wise but I'm being charitable that way.
If I was at 300k credits I'd probably be more fine but I admit I've been not extracting as much because I was trying to figure out good loot patterns and I still havent done a lock down like I need to cause those are a bit frustrating to pull off solo because its dire marsh and you need to have enough anti virals or dps to not have enough anti virals
But I'm also trying to be mindful I'm not a destiny player so putting prio on bosses over locked rooms and outpost farming is understandable unless bungie just changed their loot ethos
Cause it def feels like loot prio should be locked rooms
Also doesn't help dire marsh was already annoying to me as a map and unfortunately hasn't done much to make me feel better about it but I can't blame bungie for that one
woeful tundra
Hey guys how exactly does the signal mask ability of rook work
sand sluice
Hey guys how exactly does the signal mask ability of rook work
De-aggros USEC and makes them not aggro you
split apex
Hey guys how exactly does the signal mask ability of rook work
You turn it on and UESC forces ignore you, but it toggles off briefly if you sprint or take damage
sand sluice
IIRC you do certain actions like attack or sprint the--ye
woeful tundra
Stabs?
sand sluice
Yus
woeful tundra
Like truly what are ALL the rules for signal mask
Every exception and corner case
I find the ability description woefully lax
split apex
Yeah, knifing also counts - you'll know if its active cause you'll see the UESC logo superimposed on your hud
woeful tundra
If I walk through a green line and get hacked am I fine
woeful tundra
If I'm looking directly at a uesc shooting me and activate it do they lose aggro
If I stab uesc recruits is the disruption just temporary
sand sluice
Every edge case is unknown cause no wiki yet.
For getting hacked, if it knocks your ability off line then yes it quits working
For activating it when USEC shooting at you, yes I've deaggro'd by using it
If you stab usec recruits it's temp and turns back on IIRC
tawdry sequoia
the disruption is like, 1 or 2 seconds
neat nest
If I walk through a green line and get hacked am I fine
No
tawdry sequoia
you might get shot once or twice during the disruption but it will deaggro even if actively blasting you
woeful tundra
Okay
So it's sprinting, stabs, guns, running?
Can I place claymores in front of them?
Throw grenades?
neat nest
I think grenades do but I think I’ve had it stay on for claymores
woeful tundra
Can I start container hacks and stuff
tawdry sequoia
you can
neat nest
Yeah objective actions are fine I think
woeful tundra
Ok
neat nest
I’m sort of an erratic source of info because like half my total playtime is in playtests and some of the rules have changed since then haha
woeful tundra
Yeah I really wish
tawdry sequoia
yeah I played most of my rook games in the server slam
sand sluice
I havent had much of a reason to play rook on launch yet tbf
woeful tundra
I actually had a proper description of how it actually worked
Very annoyed by the vibes based description
woeful tundra
Deadlock my love...
neat nest
It’s weird because the abilities are like that but the shell stat and gun stat breakdowns are very verbose
tawdry sequoia
the game can be unclear on some information for sure, some of the quest descriptions are pretty bad about specifics
just give me a picture of the thing I'm supposed to go poke
sand sluice
It’s weird because the abilities are like that but the shell stat and gun stat b...
It still annoys me the punch has higher damage per shot than the volt
tawdry sequoia
at least so I know I am not going insane
woeful tundra
It’s weird because the abilities are like that but the shell stat and gun stat b...
That's cause gun customizers and mech customizers are a whole kind of gamer kink
sand sluice
the game can be unclear on some information for sure, some of the quest descript...
Some are straight broken
tawdry sequoia
oh? I don't think I've seen a full on broken one
sand sluice
Midas run and hide 4/5 only explains where a key to a lockbox is
And requires like a 5m distance
woeful tundra
Does rook ult repair shields
sand sluice
The lockbox is another room altogether
neat nest
I think just health but this might be out of date since they reworked it
woeful tundra
Okay thank you cyan
tawdry sequoia
I think it's just health yeah
tawdry sequoia
And requires like a 5m distance
it's a real problem
sand sluice
Hard for me to say
tawdry sequoia
the one I remember being annoyed by is the perimeter quest where you have to find 2 of a printer
which kind of printer, man, the place is lousy with them 😩
one of the intros
sand sluice
Devs doing the ARG thing so when a quest made me pull up a map on my 2nd screen I was like, "well w/e, classic extraction shooter-isms"
neat nest
It at least tells you what buildings they’re in
woeful tundra
I notice vandal ult immediately clears heat
Something never explained anywhere
Any other special shell ability rules
sand sluice
Triage drone can be hacked by non teammate shells
Triage emp does not rez non teammate shells
Triage emp does count as explosive for midas quests
woeful tundra
Ooh hacked how
woeful tundra
Triage emp *does* count as explosive for midas quests
@oak glacier
sand sluice
It just floats around, you walk up to it and it gives you the option to hack it
neat nest
If you see one hovering in the air you can hack it and take it regardless of team
sand sluice
It's how you can be a cool friendly triage while meeting people not on your team
neat nest
This is minor but Recon’s drone counts as a frag grenade for codex entries
split apex
Triage ult bypasses full-down revive lockout
neat nest
Might be a bug
woeful tundra
How does the light melee system work exactly
It's a 3 hit combo?
How much damage does the combo deal compared to heavy
tawdry sequoia
I think Cyan you said the Recon Interrogation triggers on a finisher by a teammate?
woeful tundra
Oh does it?
sand sluice
Full combo > heavy cause 2 lights 1 heavy
neat nest
I think Cyan you said the Recon Interrogation triggers on a finisher by a teamma...
It does not but it counts for the Arachne contract
sand sluice
2 lights less than heavy or equal to it I believe
woeful tundra
2 lights less than heavy or equal to it I believe
Hmm I'm not sure
tawdry sequoia
me when I'm spreading misinformation
woeful tundra
Without upgrades one heavy didn't kill recruits but two lights did
neat nest
Oh, I have one, Assassin’s shadow dive cancels fall damage
sand sluice
Oh does it not? Weird
I know my melee damage has been inconsistent sometimes but I wasn't sure if you can precision strike with melee (I don't think so?)
neat nest
Melee breakpoints are annoying to track because almost every shell has a different base damage and then there’s faction and implant buffs to it
sand sluice
Oh I know for sure gun melee does less damage than regular melee
woeful tundra
I assume quick melee is even worse than light
neat nest
I know my melee damage has been inconsistent sometimes but I wasn't sure if you ...
You can get headshot markers at least
woeful tundra
Gotcha
neat nest
Quick melee is actually pretty strong I think it’s sort of a medium?
split apex
Triage ult bypasses full-down revive lockout
More Triage stuff: their Shareware.exe trait literally all consumables, you can give your teammates Cardio Kicks, Energy Amps, Anti-Virus Packs etc.
neat nest
Yeah but it has more recovery frames and generates way more heat
sand sluice
Is it? Every time Ive used it on the recruits it takes like 3 hits vs knife lights which take 2
split apex
you also spread healing even if you're at full HP/shields
neat nest
I think it staggers UESC more too
woeful tundra
you also spread healing even if you're at full HP/shields
Oh that's really good to know
split apex
yeah I've saved allies before by hitting a shield charge
The problem is I don't know what % efficiency it gets transferred at and it's very annoying
tawdry sequoia
I wonder how much of a difference the destroyer's tactical sprint vs. running with knife vs tactical sprint with knife is
sand sluice
Tac sprint with knife should be fastest but I'm assuming balance rules
split apex
I'd like to say 40% but thats a pure guesstimate
tawdry sequoia
I think tac sprint with knife feels faster, but it feels like a mild difference compared to tac sprint/knife sprint
woeful tundra
https://youtu.be/Xtr_R2SE1j0 @neat nest gun melee does least damage
neat nest
Ok cool
sand sluice
To the point I win more fights when out of ammo by swapping to knife instead of reloading
neat nest
Yeah the damage seemed poor but it always seemed to… what did Ziegler call it? Ping stagger?
That stumble animation headshots can put UESC into
sand sluice
Ye
neat nest
Third light melee hit is heavy
Oho so it’s an auto combo
sand sluice
Yeah
neat nest
I almost always did light light heavy manually which is funny
sand sluice
Tbf I do sometimes double combo blue shields
woeful tundra
Oho so it’s an auto combo
Yeah it's a clear combo string thing
woeful tundra
I almost always did light light heavy manually which is funny
I think that's just worse
grave pebble
Is the nerf to bot health particularly noticeable?
woeful tundra
Combo heavy is less heat than manual heavy
neat nest
Good to know as well
sand sluice
Is the nerf to bot health particularly noticeable?
No one knows yet cause no hard numbers
grave pebble
I feel like, with the increased sound radius, the intent might be to shift the uesc burden from resources to noise
sand sluice
Would have to be depending on how strong ammo and meds were buffed
Me already trying to do this
And then dying with blue shields to a turret
Meaty little gremlins they are
grave pebble
In general improving the economy for starter gear and meds is probably good for taking the sting out for new players tbh
sand sluice
Would need to yeah cause every other goober is starting to run with blue shields
neat nest
In general improving the economy for starter gear and meds is probably good for ...
And easier to restock without extensive PvP or a lot of resources
sand sluice
I hope they buffed anti viral drop rate
Cause now I know 1 stack isn't enough for solo lock down runs 🫃
By the way
It's very tough trying to go from 69417 credits to 69420 credits
I gave up trying to do it after 20 minutes
neat nest
Can you manually change stack size in runs?
sand sluice
I do not recall unfortunately
Game has diffed me
No green backpacks, only blues
But I still have so many green shields
tawdry sequoia
I really need to just farm some starting resources, stack up some biogel
tawdry sequoia
I have random higher stuff but the resources you can barter for patch kits and shield charges I still need for upgrades 😩
sand sluice
Making it so unstable gel is only guaranteed on dire marsh is diabolical
tawdry sequoia
and I have done nothing on the arachne upgrades
neat nest
You just gotta be one with the marsh
tawdry sequoia
my extraction rate with Rook is pretty decent
sand sluice
You just gotta be one with the marsh
Will never, I'll get all my blue shields the players I kill on outpost
neat nest
Ignore the silly names but this is a pretty good rotation map for dire marsh
tawdry sequoia
I don't necessarily feel compelled to take fights as Rook, I'll just zoidberg away if it comes to it
sand sluice
Ignore the silly names but this is a pretty good rotation map for dire marsh
I just w key
Been killed less that way
Turns out I am just mechanically better than a lot of people so trying to outrat them is dumb
I just make them greed after the sound of my metal footsteps and then they die
neat nest
This isn’t for ratting haha
sand sluice
It's not? Then why take these paths? There's a bunch of people along the way, esp near maint that'll hear you
grave pebble
<@&1474420814979010821> anyone for a few runs?
sand sluice
Actually they might hear you more depending on gunshots range changes
Which I'm very curious to know
neat nest
It's not? Then why take these paths? There's a bunch of people along the way, es...
They’re routes that avoid UESC idle spawns (mostly) or a few of the maps nastiest killzones (like the yellow area)
sand sluice
Yellow area is a killzone? I never run into people there unless I'm reading it wrong
neat nest
Also sound traps mostly, but there aren’t as many on Marsh
neat nest
Yellow area is a killzone? I never run into people there unless I'm reading it w...
Yeah cause it’s a horrible spot to be lol
sand sluice
I always run into like 3 people at intersection or maint
neat nest
Yeah cause it’s a horrible spot to be lol
There’s elevated positions on 3 sides, it usually has a tox plant or two, and there’s no loot and few escape routes
sand sluice
Das crazy
But Oni says I am special so clearly if I go there it will be different /s
sand sluice
Not for me lmao
I'll still get the same luck I always do
Get a dire marsh key
Go to locked area, best loot is a purple salvage, no blue shields
Or I get killed by someone with purple shields on the way
Or I get to the locked room and a lock down starts ontop of me
My luck on dire marsh is so terrible
Idk why
grave pebble
the game doesn't ping dcon locations when you have a dcon objective?
that's annoying...
sand sluice
They still didn't fix that?
grave pebble
tthis is for equitable distributioon specifically, seems like not, no
i got jumped with the map open
neat nest
It usually does but equitable distribution is bugged
grave pebble
ahhh well at least it's just that objective that's the issue
fallow coyote
i'm broke again
sand sluice
Same
fallow coyote
my rando teammates keep taking stupid fights
sand sluice
Are you taking non sponsored kits with randoms?
fallow coyote
yes
sand sluice
I would only do that will a full vault
fallow coyote
it was full prior to those runs
sand sluice
You ran out?
sand sluice
You can take the 2nd route
warm sage
I gotta look up all the pinwheel entrances
neat nest
I’m curious what the second silent route is
I have a suspicion I know but I’m not sure
sand sluice
Drone command wing
Lower it via the terminal below the drone
Gotta have the keycard for it
There's also the thief drone exploit but I believe that's been fixed
neat nest
The drone lower is quite loud but no fights but yeah I suspect that’s it
sand sluice
Yeh no USEC security breach warning IIRC
Im just annoyed cause like I said, didn't get a chance to do the two terminal loot room in pinwheel yet
neat nest
I mean, plenty of chances to do that still
sand sluice
Yeah but I'm one person so finding all the key spawns to get into pinwheel takes forever
Tox warden only sometimes drops an auth key
neat nest
The keys just spawn on the map in Outpost?
neat nest
Which kind of key do you mean?
sand sluice
The keys just spawn on the map in Outpost?
Ye but calling the elevator into pinwheel requires auth keys right?
sand sluice
Did they fix the evil yellow Pathways reference corridor on outpost
I do not understand
neat nest
Ye but calling the elevator into pinwheel requires auth keys right?
Which spawn on the map in outpost
mossy bridge
<:headempty:741616981232451664> I do not understand
okay so i think when outpost just dropped before the weekend
there was a yellow corridor, with a dropdown hatch
but it didnt work, it had an invisible wall as a temporary dirty fix
there is a pathway in pathways into darkness like that
with one of the skeleton enemies, but alive, sitting and praying
and you need to use the yellow gem to cause an earthquake to kill him so you can get past
neat nest
They added that after Thief players realized you could grapple up into the ship there
mossy bridge
yeah
playing theef rn
she's fun
i like her annoying bastard drone and grappling hook
neat nest
I didn’t realize there was a reference there though
sand sluice
Which spawn on the map in outpost
Yeah but they take forever to find as a solo player
mossy bridge
loot vision is a nice QoL
mossy bridge
I didn’t realize there was a reference there though
unintentional im guessing
but still
sand sluice
I can only find the orange ones quickly cause of the hackable terminals 
mossy bridge
pathway that is related to the colour yellow and is impossible to get through trigged the connection in some people's brains
neat nest
They’ve been mapped pretty well
mossy bridge
including the hidden pier one
sand sluice
There's a map with the spawns?
mossy bridge
ye
sand sluice
God damnit that would have been so useful
neat nest
The important thing is basically remembering that they’re clustered in buildings which are NOT dorms
sand sluice
It doesn't matter where I love outpost
It's my favorite map of the 3
Perfect rotation nonsense you can do
Also before I forget
Copperhead SMG favorite gun
fallow coyote
i hate the overrun so much
neat nest
It’s grown on me
I think with +5 base ammo I’ll like it
20 with that fire rate was silly
grave pebble
does nucal not sell non-reinforced shields?
that shit's expensive
ok, finally finished with perimeter for the moment i hope
had to ditch my team to finish the contract, but them's the breaks
mossy bridge
they're calling him the greediest fattest fuck to ever live
This is what happens on a Thief run when God smiles
grave pebble
back to being a sponkit andy
placid oxide
The ones that cause anxiety
mossy bridge
Died 2026
Born 2894
Welcome back Jaeger
neat nest
“Go from bio research to quarantine” is a fuck you request
mossy bridge
yes
yes it is
why not have me go from complex to west gate
huh
huh
making me run my ass all the way through HELL.
fuck you nona.........
placid oxide
Inevitably, you will get shot as you enter Quarantine
You will contemplate your life choices
Then you will load in again
“This time we got it”
placid oxide
Official or community run?
distant zinc
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/tau_ceti_cup_tune_in
yo that jacket FUCKS
neat nest
It’s so good
cinder hare
yeah its exclusively in pinwheel
I’ve found them in dire marsh before somehow
neat nest
I think everything or at least everything not super rare can spawn anywhere but it’s uncommon
cinder hare
I want that jacket
mossy bridge
i need this team to lose
aside from that i recognise LVNDMARK and DeadlySlob from tarkov
the twitch drops are real good
cinder hare
i need this team to lose
Oh yeah I think I heard something about Peanut actually liking Marathon but their community being so toxic he basically has to fight them to play on stream
cinder hare
The only streamers I recognize are vtubers so I have no clue who any of these are
ivory laurel
I'm either on team Ross or team Bearki
mossy bridge
if i had to say im on anyone's team
i guess LVNDMARK
but only because his item is more valuable than deadlyslob's beard oil
anyway protect/destroy 4/5 done yippie
outpost very fun
got one of reed's audiologs
davic barion reed...
i hate dire marsh i hate dire marsh
sand sluice
Oh yeah I think I heard something about Peanut actually liking Marathon but thei...
This is true, saw a couple of posts about this on marathon reddit
I don't like any of these teams tho, most of them are negative to me in one way or another, the rest I have no idea
mossy bridge
dire marsh is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking nightmarish
What is it with swamps and jungles and being murderous hellscapes?
sand sluice
They aren't normally
mossy bridge
disagree
sand sluice
Apologies, I meant to say
In real life they aren't as bad as videogames make them out to be
Videogames just do all this crazy stuff because "oh sick deep jungle means monsters!"
In dire marsh specifically I'm a bit salty at bungie for because like
When you read the lore it's clear that while the environment is somewhat dangerous, all the colonists made it worse
"Yes let's try to make tick milk"
oops, surprise necrosis
It's why Midas wants you to do all this stuff cause the entirety of dire marsh is a goldmine of evidence against USEC
But uhhh, diremarsh as a level design is particularly nasty because of the quests + very wide open sightlines all over the place, you have some small areas like quarantine or intersection but most of it is painful if you like any sorta medium to close range fights
Then you have the other side of stuff
Which is long ranged gun interactions that (with the thermal nerfs maybe feel a bit better now we'll see) where you can get picked off from over 100m
And that's without all the constant "in a single run" quests
That some are also contested
Meaning only 1 group/person can complete them per raid
neat nest
Fun fact: that’s how Introducing Traxus originally worked
sand sluice
And the silly part
It's still considered the first wall insofar as quests in marathon lmao
neat nest
It was… extremely hard in the text test yeah
sand sluice
Doesn't surprise me
Contested objectives only feel doable now cause they aren't the only quests people have
neat nest
The best thing for it is that another early quest took people to rush AI uplink so half the lobby would be doing that instead
sand sluice
Yup makes sense
It's why I'm so worried marton ship is gonna be transit or something goofy
mossy bridge
In real life they aren't as bad as videogames make them out to be
oh true
but in video games
they're always hell
sand sluice
Yep
mossy bridge
- blood swamps in doom eternal TAG
- malevelon
- act 3 of POE2
- dire marsh
- every poison swamp ever
im out of fucking priority contracts until i level up nucal mida or traxus
well
there's the sekiguchi one...
neat nest
Some patch goal stuff
I… think I like the UESC changes
Some of them felt spongy to kill
sand sluice
I'm conflicted but I'll have to feel it out in game
mossy bridge
I hope this affects the wardens too
neat nest
Same
mossy bridge
So they'r enot as awful to kill solo
sand sluice
My issue in solo wasn't killing them, it was the loot being hit or miss where purples felt the best for loot vs ttk
Where wardens just almost always felt kind of meh about
cinder hare
i need to do wardens
cosmic flame
ENGAGE WITH MECHANICS TO PLAY THE GAME
cinder hare
N O
cinder hare
@neat nest what did marathon arg give you for maxed DAC?
sand sluice
Even with sponsored kits
sand sluice
I thought you said you were good with sniper rifle?
sand sluice
Then yeah just take sniper rifle and pwn people
cinder hare
i fold easily because im not good outside my preferred rangeband
neat nest
neat nest
<@255907872993574923> what did marathon arg give you for maxed DAC?
Not sure haha
cinder hare
One of the factions is an evil McDonald’s that’s merged with Monsanto; another, anarchists that are absolutely willing to firebomb a Walmart in their quest to rid the universe of corps; another is basically just Amazon.
grave pebble
bro traxus is sending me back to perimeter again
cinder hare
Not sure haha
oh same as me bruh
grave pebble
dcons don't do anything outside the context of their specific contracts right? no point dumping stuff in there on a regular run?
cinder hare
No I don’t think so
neat nest
Afaik no
cinder hare
People keep suggesting making it so you can exfil items you really want to keep
Which I honestly wouldn’t mind at all
Making a lockbox-like item with some risks attached would be really nice to have
I have to wonder if the WSTR would be “balanced” if it wasn’t sawn off as a default
But instead as a purple under barrel or whatnot
distant zinc
so what, it has more range? i’m confused as to how this would make it less good
also uhh
cinder hare
As in it’s a very tight and precise shotgun
distant zinc
arg cracked, new video released https://youtu.be/yYJAQkzSCvA?si=9qYM5eWQZO6oOlxB
distant zinc
As in it’s a very tight and precise shotgun
ahhh
cinder hare
So you can’t just put body in circle and put body in grave
distant zinc
idk i feel like it’s more or less fine as is, it has like a 4 meter range and doesn’t do a lot outside of that
it’s hell indoors but the solution there is bring your own lol
cinder hare
That makes the game less fun though imo
If the counterplay is “bring the meta” I don’t like that
cosmic flame
I feel like your proposed change is still not actually that much of a nerf and also not actually that far off what people are doing generally
distant zinc
i feel like the only real way to nerf it is either reload time, damage, or like ads speed i guess
cosmic flame
delay between barrels
cosmic flame
you don't generally get onetapped
distant zinc
yeah that too
neat nest
delay between barrels
Yeah that’s the biggest thing I think
Kills so fast with both barrels
cosmic flame
almost none of the time am I getting oneshot, which I appreciate
distant zinc
Ough
i’ve been sold on this game’s art style for a while but holy hell the new marathon design just sold me again in triplicate it’s the coolest fucking thing i’ve ever seen in my life
when the human race inevitably goes to space en masse i better see shit like that or i’m gonna start MIDA myself
cosmic flame
but it's also too fast for any other non-ohko weapon to reasonably compete with nor can you even slide back to potentially get out of range for the kill
cinder hare
I feel like your proposed change is still not actually that much of a nerf and a...
I’m not really proposing a change I’m just curious
distant zinc
but it's also too fast for any other non-ohko weapon to reasonably compete with ...
i’ve had some luck with the destroyer shield to stop it but that’s niche
cinder hare
Since lots of games with those options tend to have those shotguns be perpetually in the “strong but total meme” section of the game
cosmic flame
destroyer shield parry is legit
cosmic flame
Since lots of games with those options tend to have those shotguns be perpetuall...
"poop but gold"
cinder hare
Destroyer has an insanely strong melee iirc
distant zinc
destroyer shield parry is legit
what made me switch over from vandal was the feeling of pure joy i got when i hit a tacsprint with the shield into an air dash it was transcendent
cosmic flame
bxr combo would be mad funny
cosmic flame
i have the core which makes you infinite shield while tacsprinting
distant zinc
what rank is that
cosmic flame
never gave it a shot yet because its ourple
cinder hare
If anyone can check the game, what even is destroyers melee range
distant zinc
i’m really interested in that and the one that shoots rockets when your shield gets hit
cinder hare
*damage
distant zinc
Destroyer has an insanely strong melee iirc
i think he’s got the highest base melee damage but i’m not sure
either way knife fight is a perma lock on him it’s so good
cinder hare
Yeah 3x vandal iirc
distant zinc
shield air dash into melee never fails
neat nest
(From memory)
Destroyer 25
Assassin 15
Vandal & Thief 10
Else 5
distant zinc
sounds about right yeah
how much health do runners actually have
because “50 melee damage” sounds great and all but i don’t know what that actually means
distant zinc
ahh that’s annoying
neat nest
Runners have iirc 140 hp with 20ish a shield pip
Oops that’s with grey shield
120 meat
20 per shield pip
So
140
160
180
200
By shield grade
twin rain
I think it's somewhere between 100-125 (a tick deals 6 according to the sekiguchi quest, with 40 fall damage being approximately less than half health)
distant zinc
word
grave pebble
would be really nice if there was a sponkit tier that was just 'shit tier loot with a backpack and a shield'
distant zinc
how do you mean exactly
grave pebble
like, the same starting weapon/ammo/healing
but just with a backpack and a shield, nothing else
neat nest
Isn’t that the enhanced sponkit?
cinder hare
Yeah I was thinking that’s the enhanced
grave pebble
Isn’t that the enhanced sponkit?
don't those have mods and stuff as well?
distant zinc
yeah that sounds about right
grave pebble
Either way the lowest tier enhanced is like....2k? iirc? not worth it
cinder hare
2.5k is cheap
distant zinc
yeah that’s less than i usually spend on shitter kits
neat nest
I think the weapons are green with vaguely amenable chips yeah
neat nest
At market price stacks of normal meds are about 2100 yeah
distant zinc
i have like 15k with a vault worth about 50k
better than me dawg i’m sitting on like 8.7k in the wallet rn
but that’s because i’m walking the path of the mendicant knights type shit
grave pebble
yeah my deal is 'use greys when you're farming greens, greens when you're farming blues' etc.
distant zinc
i get my money from murdering people and i spend it all to do it again
grave pebble
so i'm burning through my stock of greens slowly, just gotta find a pub that can actually win a teamfight
distant zinc
good luck with that 😭
neat nest
i get my money from murdering people and i spend it all to do it again
Real shit
grave pebble
i should set my active quest to arachne since the game tries to pair people up based on contract faction seems like
and yeah, you just naturally find better stuff as you level up, like i've been finding blue salvage in random containers at level 20ish
vivid flower
It's why I'm so worried marton ship is gonna be transit or something goofy
perimeter data wall except entire map
neat nest
mossy bridge
DEVIOUS fucking trap on sekiguchi 4/5
oh my god
you hack the terminal in maintenance's southern area and get locked in with a ghost commander
cosmic flame
BUBGIE DID IT AGAIN
cinder hare
Lmao
neat nest
<@255907872993574923> they sending even more codes
Nothing for me yet
cosmic flame
thank god its just damage
er
thank god its just that our damage goes further not that theyre nerfing uesc damage to us
cinder hare
uesc damage feels about perfect
neat nest
Yeah
cinder hare
it's brutal but like
i can stab you to death
also i have a suspicion that knife dmg works as like base 30 or 40 + KNIFEMOD
and strongs might be like, 1.5x or so on
considering that the combo is strong + light for a gray shield iirc
and maybe green
which assuming assassin, at 30 dmg, would be 112dmg
or 145 assuming 40
i assume its 30+MOD, which seems right
mossy bridge
i feel so bad for the triage
I had to exfil early because my dinner arrived
Just before exfil opens we get ganked
He unfortunately got executed as the thing was sending
neat nest
Unlucky
mossy bridge
I was about to be but the matter transmission happened
neat nest
That’s Tau Ceti
mossy bridge
yeah :(
I feel bad for him
I was the one who had to early exfil.........
😭
anyway i think this time i will bring a shell that can pve better than thief
"oh worm?" "building better worlds" "xbox crossplay reward" "on BURGER."
i dont have the mida one, the deluxe edition one, the battlepass one or the shadow index skin
i almost do!
i need to do the slide into shotgun blast and 20m above kill
harest one was probably pull! (launch a runner with disrupt cannon into the air and then kill them)
mossy bridge
nokia phones mentioned
the pause in "i have... full confidence in you" doesnt convince me that you do, nona
sand sluice
Oh weird I just got dm'd by the noise bot
placid oxide
Anyone else getting a weird bug where if you use a sponsered free kit, die, and then reque it won't automatically equip another one?
wraith vector
Now and again, not sure what causes it exactly
placid oxide
Been constant for me since yesterday
wraith vector
It's not the daily reset 'cause it was the same brand.. hrmh
cinder hare
i watched marton mods shut down a "nerf shotgun" thread in real time cuz they were getting too damn toxic in there lol
well more like nerf WSTR
neat nest
In time they’ll realize the Circuit Breaker is the real demon gun haha
cinder hare
hahaha
cinder hare
the WSTR is strong but yeah
cosmic flame
(im secretly mald)
cinder hare
bit of it is cuz iirc theres overflow so it can spam 4 shots at once
bit of it is green kit is the standard for most people i see
cosmic flame
opportunist
cinder hare
bit of it is the maps being really tight
cosmic flame
spam infinity shots
cinder hare
(in some places)
neat nest
I think it’s just not that hard to get and fires too fast
cinder hare
bit of it is the gun being pretty fucking nasty at CQB
and the last bit is its super easy to get
cosmic flame
yeah the fact that you can literally buy it is gonna make it enemy #1 for a while
cinder hare
2.4k, maybe 3k if you get a mod
cosmic flame
I don't think I've ever seen a misriah in release marton
cinder hare
i was like, it should be moved later into arachne and made into a barter item
neat nest
Also until recently you could just do rook runs
cinder hare
barter is a lot harder to get compared to raw creds
could be simply 1 blue arachne item
placid oxide
Did they do something to rook?
cinder hare
wstr now compromised
sand sluice
nobody has it so its ok
wdym people have it?
neat nest
So you can keep it if you can find a matter fixative
Which adds a lot more risk and uncertainty to getting it
sand sluice
I like that change
I'm a bit worried primarily on the usec nerfs cause IMO they were pretty good spot on where they were at
mossy bridge
mug :)
My stupid ass went to fucking Perimeter to get a sparkleaf sample but forgot that it counts as salvage and is thus auto-vaulted#
sand sluice
yeah needs to be dire marsh specifically
mossy bridge
nightmare
sand sluice
good luck
sand sluice
I found mine just walking around after killing some people
mossy bridge
those two places tend to be slaughterhouses, PLUS THEN, i have to go quarantine and exfil
sand sluice
neat nest
They also appear in bioprinters sometimes
mossy bridge
im so fucking angry
oh my god
finish sekgen 5/5
then a FUCKING THREE STACK
JUST
DROP ON ME
ON MY WAY TO EXFIL
cinder hare
take a break.
mossy bridge
AND THEN
THEY CAMP MY BODY
AND WAIT FOR THE TEAM MATE THAT DIDNT EXFIL
game sucks
I would not be so fucking mad if I didn't have to KILL FITTY MEN while waiting for the symbiont to integrate
cinder hare
mossy bridge
I would not be so fucking mad if I didn't have to KILL FITTY MEN while waiting f...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhGX5izia1U quarantine cleanroom aftermath
orion sends hordes of breach recruits and ghosts after you
for a minute 30
split apex
im so fucking angry
Hey, curator hat on, step away from the game and take a break - what Carmen just posted is from our head mod in the deadlock thread, we do not want driveby rage posting
mossy bridge
i repeatered most of the first wave
then i had to use my ce
then i had to resort to a combo knife and ce
sand sluice
I get the tilt too sometimes, ye, at a minimum go sip some water for a second
cinder hare
i really need to try jetpack kniferide destroyer
mossy bridge
Why is that fucking questline so devious???
4/5 has you trapped in a room with some UESC goons and worst of all a ghost commander
cinder hare
a
sand sluice
Why is that fucking questline so devious???
4/5 has you trapped in a room with s...
Oh you did that one lmao
mossy bridge
for hard drives and circuits
sand sluice
Yeah that's the one I told Carmen to camp people for if she wants knife kills because it's so goofy
cinder hare
hehehe
cinder hare
lmao
neat nest
Why is that fucking questline so devious???
4/5 has you trapped in a room with s...
I must assume Nona wants us to walk the path of self-iteration (suffering)
neat nest
Almost all the Seki quests are painful or self destructive
cinder hare
nona and charter are secretly dating
neat nest
we weave em you cleave em
mossy bridge
(for those who dont know jaeger is one of tarkov's traders whose quests are notoriously self-pain-inducing)
cinder hare
and watching us suffer in the thermodynamics of self-ilteration
neat nest
She says such cool stuff though
mossy bridge
like:
- dehydrate yourself to 0/100 and survive like 2 minutes
- kill people from 30 meters away with a bolt action rifle with just iron sights
- kill people while injured
sand sluice
That's why I like the Traxus lady, she's nice and honest
mossy bridge
Gaius and _gantry are my favourites
mossy bridge
RUNNAH.... MOIDA IS WATCHING.......... TO PROVE YOURSELF...
- GO TO DIRE MARSH'S NUBEREATS
- PICK UP MY ORDAH
- THROW IT AT ORION'S HOUSE
(all in one run)
sand sluice
That is 100% midas ye
cinder hare
gantry ordering taco bell for the entire marathon fleet and hacking the toilets:
neat nest
I lowkenuinely think Orion’s gonna be a faction rep eventually
cinder hare
nona is lovely
sand sluice
I lowkenuinely think Orion’s gonna be a faction rep eventually
Please
cinder hare
I lowkenuinely think Orion’s gonna be a faction rep eventually
every time i heard that word i hear that man's name as well
mossy bridge
i hope so
neat nest
Nah I think Orion’s gonna have us doing weird backchannel stuff since the UESCbots are secretly S’pht controlled calling it now
cinder hare
it would be so fucking funny if Orion had a mission that said "_Gantry is being a bad boy go tag all of his tags and send him my taco bell order"
also audio buff
which might fix some complaints
sand sluice
What you mean gunfire?
I'm iffy on that cause to me the footsteps audio propagation was always jank
sharp plover
orion has mida connections and while he's definitely a bad guy, he might be the good bad guy that works with us on the side
cinder hare
yeah gunfire and explosions
sharp plover
bungie loves that
cinder hare
i like the idea that orion hates us but hates something in UESC more
and is tied up so he uses us as his proxy
wintry shuttle
Yeah
When you work in the system, sometimes you become motivated to burn down the system.
And in this cases, he's a commander he's gonna have a first taste at what UESC does and how it treats people.
cinder hare
i think it'd be nice if missions would ping the approximate location of something you need
and were more reliable with DCON pings
sharp plover
he's also the local guy on site, so he might have distinct objectives/motivations to uesc high command
cinder hare
hmmm
sharp plover
I do wonder how many actual uesc people are in system
cinder hare
would marathon work with a nade launcher
wintry shuttle
I do wonder how many actual uesc people are in system
Besides Orion, one audio log does say he's been losing people because of Tau Ceti.
So, there might be a mix between UESC runners and regular, good ol' fashioned squishy troopers running around somewhere.
cinder hare
what if sentry is a UESC runner...
wintry shuttle
They might be
wintry shuttle
That would be funny
cinder hare
hmmm
how would grenades work in marathon anyways?
what if they added scope mounts to the game
just to be silly
cinder hare
like nade launchers
underbarrel or dedicated
i like the idea of an underbarrel for ARs and such though
sharp plover
vivid flower
I could see a dedicated grenade launcher
cinder hare
yeah im not sure if its a "good" thing for marathon though
if there was friendly fire in this game
oak glacier
just make it shoot actual grenade items
like how fuse in apex can launch grenades better
cinder hare
Yeah but backpack space is painnnnn
mossy bridge
i hope we get a spnkr
we have to
it's FROM marathon after all
anyway i think i am going to put a moratorium on parasitism 5/5 until some better sponsored kits appear
because wow even with the 5 round mag size increase the overrun just
chews through ammo
I had one that had about 40 rounds due to mag size increases (+12 on top of 25 = 37 which is close enough in my books) and it felt pretty good
strange wren
just make it shoot actual grenade items
<:thinkaboutit:509526566125043717>
What about Fighting Lion?
I just miss it
sand sluice
anyway i think i am going to put a moratorium on parasitism 5/5 until some bette...
Which one is that again?
mossy bridge
Which one is that again?
get a sparkleaf on dire marsh, go to bio research, make a thingy out of it, then go to quarantine and turn it into a serum you can inject
THEN, orion sends an army of UESC shotgun guys and ghosts (invis guys) to kill you and you cannot leave the clean room
1:30 timer
then exfil
cinder hare
mida sends their regards (and 5 million nades)
mossy bridge
mida sends their regards (and 5 million nades)
cinder hare
but no seriously
mossy bridge
to be fair
cinder hare
vandal w/ nades is really strong for clearing massive numbers of UESC
cinder hare
and destroyer can just shred them with an LMG
mossy bridge
funny thing