Marathon

[wintry shuttle]

You do not have to do the trader quests again.

You do their intro contract then they're opened forever.

[cosmic flame]

it would be so profoundly stupid to have you re-unlock all the factions each season

which made it a serious risk that they WOULD do that

to be clear

[wintry shuttle]

Like Tarkov

They do that every time

and people still come back

[cinder hare]

this dos mean older player progress faster

cuz money/luck = much much faster to get higher level mods, etc

[indigo oriole]

im ok w that tbh. i think its fine to be rewarded for playing the game / being a longtime user

[cinder hare]

which i like lol

it also means wipes give more progression to new players faster

[sand sluice]

Thats what they were doing

But also Ref was included which was a whole new mess on adjacent prog.

But also game is 1.0 and no one knows how they'll do the seasonal characters atm

[cinder hare]

characters?

[sand sluice]

I would be surprised if they kept ref allowed in the seasonals cause that would be goofy

Yeah tarkov has a permanent 1.0 char for pve and pvp

They're going to do seasonals for pvp

[indigo oriole]

ooo i misunderstood

[distant zinc]

oh thank FUCK

[sand sluice]

Question being

Where does it say you don't have to redo trader quests?

[vagrant carbon]

Having to grind factions every season would be hell

[sand sluice]

Oh the liaison ones

Heah that's fine

That's just trader unlock

Only issue is uhhhhh

Theoretically

If trader prog gets locked behind the liaison contracts

New players won't get to prog those until they get the traders unlocked

But I'm not 100% sure that's how it'll work

[sand sluice]

You'll still have to grind them. Just not the core unlock missions

So sounds like each faction gets reset to 1 every wipe

This is good because it prevents the returning players from having like

180 melee damage and blue shields rook or w/e upgrades we'll see lol

Additionally they can adjust balance more

Maybe they want to change hauler so that's where wraith warden spawns instead
And change guaranteed loot areas if gun cabinets to like north relay

If they did that and all the more experienced players had all their gear it would be easy but a new person walking into hauler the first time and getting folded back savage by an OS hack and an smg to the face from the wraith warden would not appreciate it

[vagrant carbon]

Yeah that's perfectly fine

[sand sluice]

Ye

[distant zinc]

hauler wraith warden sounds like hell

[sand sluice]

Exactly

Very fun

Very demure, very mindful

[neat nest]

I assume you can do em again but the factions start unlocked

lol poor elliott

[vagrant carbon]

rip

[neat nest]

preview of Traxus Thief

[wintry shuttle]

She doll coded

Look at her legs

got dem ball joint assembly going on.

[neat nest]

Yeah really striking design

[final onyx]

nah thats a c clip

[cosmic flame]

homestuck

[neat nest]

Also I found this replication of the Recon shell info panel

[neat nest]

Oh NO

[neat nest]

So recon shells are jailbroken because the baseline models can't disobey direct orders

[cosmic flame]

"eagerness to detonate" is frying me

dark star-ass ai

"its calm but decisive vocalisation pattern" is crazy but real i wish i sounded like that

[neat nest]

those little guys always look so stoked to run people down

Good to know they are stoked

I can't find the text but I like the lore that Vandals are modified for guerilla actions and styled to follow modern martian fashion

[echo scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/traxus-traxus-on-top-marathon-tau-ceti-gif-13367585158258015483

[cinder hare]

i love the little AI in the tracker drone

[neat nest]

now that I know about it same

[cinder hare]

i though she was smoking for a sec

[sharp plover]

oh also, based on the steam page, it looks like the release will be <t:1772733600:f>

(thats 10 AM Pacific, same as the server slam start and end)

[neat nest]

Makes sense

I’m at work then augh but

[sharp plover]

ive got work tomorrow but then im coincidentally off for 6 days

(im working normally, its just how the schedule works out)

[neat nest]

Luckyyy

I’d take time off but I’m saving it for family visits later

[cinder hare]

preordered deluxe

thank god i have only trig on thursday

and friday off

[distant zinc]

same

i took another look at the skins and they’re peak

[obsidian latch]

Well I bought it, hope I can get a good feel of it in time for a refund if I don’t dig it lol

[cinder hare]

@Jaxidoesart

Freakisfire

We need a proper marathon wiki eventually

[sand sluice]

I have one

Right here

It's in my head

Wait

Wait

You can drop a self revive and someone can pick it up?

[fallow coyote]

There was a clip from the closed playtest of a team teaming up with 3 rooks and throwing them self rezzes as needed

[sand sluice]

For some reason I had completely forgotten about that

I wonder if it works for other non rooks

[cinder hare]

Someone made it

I think the signal jammer should have the same effect

notfuji_

Silent_SFM (suggestive)

[distant zinc]

the edits are going insane

[cinder hare]

and we got yuri now

[distant zinc]

both by @Geezaws2 on twitter

[cinder hare]

ngl if i get clips i might learn to edit for this

[distant zinc]

yeah the burning white flame of creation is inside me rn

i saw that shit and said wow i gotta start cooking

[sand sluice]

Personally I don't think this should be the case.

If it is then I would want more mechanics that are more punishing

EG make it so thermals and other mods occasionally have permanent modifiers so that once equipped you can't remove them

[cinder hare]

wdym?

it's mostly cuz thermals are really fucking strong

like, they're super powerful tools that scout really well, make aim in the foggy cqb-oriented spaces 10x easier, and help coordinate actions, etc

[sand sluice]

Do they give aim assist?

[cinder hare]

dont know if they do

cant remember

i believe aim assist is more for volt weapons, no?

[sand sluice]

Not sure

But insofar as thermals being really strong they haven't felt that strong to me but if they want to reduce the strength they should look at other things instead of heat gen unless people want the game to become more crab walky

But then again not sure if people find it that much of an issue

[cinder hare]

ok checked, thermals dont, its mainly just volts having magnetism

[sand sluice]

Cause rn the only things I struggle with in regards to other players is less so cloaks or visibility of them and more npcs ignoring other players and I always assume unless it's assassin shell I just got unlucky

Infact I found thermals to be kinda meh but that's mainly cause the forced zoom and inability to use ironsights on the sniper felt painful

On the flipside

Maybe thermals can see through smoke grenades in this game (havent tested)

If so then yeah I can see why they would be OP

[cinder hare]

they do see through smoke

also, big thing about snipers is their range

it's why thermal snipers are so strong

it also lets you scout easily asf

tarkov's solution was making thermals kinda shitty

they're low res and big and clunky, so they're not easy to use

[sand sluice]

The thermals in tarkov are OP if you don't buy the really bad ones (some people do and Idk why)

But yeah if they let you see through smoke then they should be nerfed prob

[cinder hare]

though, that's the times i did see thermals

anyways, the reason i find it so strong is your range goes from 20~30 meters to 100+, especially with thermals

[sand sluice]

Huh?

[cinder hare]

i could aim at that range just fine, but you can see really clearly super far away

20-30 in the sense of viable engagement range based on visibility + audio, etc

[sand sluice]

Audio I have no idea cause for me it's been buggy or inconsistent at best

[cinder hare]

it's pretty close, yes, but it's not exactly easy to see lots of runners due to how dark and foggy the game is

[sand sluice]

Visible I can eyeball stuff across the map but if thermals is increasing draw distance for people then yeah I can see that

[cinder hare]

ive had times where i could barely see who was shooting at me from a distance

[sand sluice]

Now tbf

I might have a hardware advantage

Cause oled + 2k

[cinder hare]

im running a 2k monitor ultrawide

[sand sluice]

Then yeah that's weird, I know if it's foggy weather and it sees through fog that would make it easy but I otherwise assume it's standard human brain failing people

Unless you mean like

[cinder hare]

yeah 32 inch QHD 2k 165hz

[sand sluice]

Visual identification of the shell or something

[cinder hare]

like properly seeing people

like, yeah, i CAN see them

it's just slower

you might mistake them for UESC, might not pick it up immediately if they're stealthing, behind cover, etc

[sand sluice]

Does UESC show up differently in thermals?

I thought it was similar heat

[cinder hare]

they show up as hot is all

same UESC silloette

anyways, point is

you can see people, but thermals makes it bright and clear what you're aiming at

it also counters assassin, smoke, etc

i believe glitch's heat vents show up extra bright

[sand sluice]

It countering assassin is fine and makes sense, Smoke def makes it op yeh

[cinder hare]

like a good player doesn't "need" thermals

but it does make things a lot easier and faster

i found that audio was fine for me, minus indoor propagation being a little hard

[sand sluice]

Audio was always jank for me but I ran into that issue a bit into tarkov

So I'm just assuming 4k hour skill dif

Like it felt entirely random whether or not I would hear someone walking up to me

[cinder hare]

it was fine for me

[sand sluice]

So I just assumed specific sound propagation in any area that wasn't an open field

But also like

I don't know the sound distance minimums

So it might actually be that walking is just 5m or something

[cinder hare]

mightve been crouching

crouching is way quieter than walking or running

[sand sluice]

Almost never happened that way it felt like

Was always like

no noise
walking clunk clunk clunk
instant gunfire with little reaction room

[cinder hare]

yeah not my experience

[sand sluice]

Hilariously only time that didn't happen was the one time I thought someone might be cheating

But that time was getting 3 shot by the sniper rifle so I just assume the fire rate really is that fast

[cinder hare]

no that's normal

snipers are fast in this game

[sand sluice]

Yeh, wish I had ironsight option

[cinder hare]

the longshot is a really good gun

and i personally disagree

[sand sluice]

I'd much prefer them over the garbage hardline or at cqc

[cinder hare]

because irons would create the "shotgun < sniper" effect

[sand sluice]

But tbf

Hardline pr is just a bad gun at cqc

[cinder hare]

nah

it's a bit weak but it's not bad

[sand sluice]

Idk

[cinder hare]

like the CE pistol aint shit either

[sand sluice]

Weapon bloom past 3 shots or w/e it was made me feel it's the worst weapon in the game at close

CE pistol is 10x better than the hardline pr for me

[cinder hare]

i was pretty dead on with the PR

one of my favorites, just needs more damage

[sand sluice]

I was too but 3 shots I would have the reticle on their head and it would whiff

[cinder hare]

36.5 or so is somewhat low feeling

[sand sluice]

Exact same as tac pistol ye

[cinder hare]

BUT

the PR is the good ttk

[sand sluice]

Hence why for me tac pistol better at anything not long range

[cinder hare]

i think the PR feels good as a whole in terms of how i feel the game should be like

[sand sluice]

Oh no I think it's fine

[cinder hare]

i like marathon slow and chunky and explosive

[sand sluice]

It's basically the game's sks

Except like

No ability to one tap headshot

Which is fine

[cinder hare]

there kinda is actually

[sand sluice]

It's still to me the worst weapon outside of maybe like

[cinder hare]

it's just pretty late game gold stuff

[sand sluice]

Idk the v11 punch for players?

Yeah you can 1 tap with a number of guns

Just not the hardline PR

But also like

[cinder hare]

no gun can actually one tap

[sand sluice]

RG doesn't 1 tap on head?

[cinder hare]

i dont believe it does

[sand sluice]

Weird

[cinder hare]

the Ares, no, i believe

[sand sluice]

I guess I just ran into someone who didn't have heals or something with a green shield up

[cinder hare]

maybe a fully charged Zeus or so on vs a white or green shield

most likely low HP

the Ares is about 150 damge

[sand sluice]

The rail gun is the one that charges with 4 shot magazine right?

[sand sluice]

Unfortunately I know little about hp or headshot multipliers

But as I was saying

The hardline pr might just be like

A skill issue for me

But also on the flipside

I've never lost to a hardline pr

[cinder hare]

there are 3 railguns

[sand sluice]

So likelihood is like

All guns have some sort of skill attached to them and for me I'm too good with the other guns that it trivializes the hardline pr

Like omg bully smg with green mods is goated

Only exception was my game glitching or w/e it was that happened twice where it became semi auto

[cinder hare]

it might simply be the gunplay not meshing with what you like

what's your favorite FPS?

[sand sluice]

Easier to choose least favorite which would probably be call of duty

[sand sluice]

I mean it would be if I felt that way about the volley

Cause good lord I do not like the feel of that gun against other players

But I still prefer it over the pr

Which is weird

Cause I like the pr more against other players

But it consistently just, underperforms for me with the multiple wild instances where I am at someone and my reticle blocks their face and it whiffs and I just get confused until I think about weapon bloom

Volley atleast just works as expected

[cinder hare]

never had that happen

usually it's just a very solid gun for me

a bit weak, yes

but solid

[sand sluice]

Yeah it's why I'm so confused

Like to be real

It could 100% just be lag

And just coincidentally I notice it more with that gun due to how lag is handled or something

[cinder hare]

possibly

i have really good internet

[sand sluice]

I just use a vpn so it can be worse

[cinder hare]

like, i have a coax cable direct to my PC

oh yeah the VPN definitely adds shit

[sand sluice]

You have a coax cable directly plugged into your pc?

[cinder hare]

like, did you know Riot has connection-boosters built into their system?

they claim it optimizes the pathway of servers and shit to give reduced lag and all that

[sand sluice]

Depends

Actual vpn connections used to reduce the amount of hops do reduce ms

But that's highly dependent

I'd have to look at Riot's system to know how they are running it to say whether or not it works

[cinder hare]

https://technology.riotgames.com/news/peeking-valorants-netcode

yeah its interesting shit

but the point is, it could be lag

[sand sluice]

Oh if it's valorant I would believe them

League not so much

[cinder hare]

val was crazy smooth from my experience

[sand sluice]

But that's because valorant was kind of built with the emphasis of comp-first mindset

[cinder hare]

also league has its own form of it but it's probably less powerful/optimized

[sand sluice]

Hence why their anticheat is as good as it is compared to other stuff

League I'd have no idea

I would rather just assume it's weapon bloom and like

Skill issue of me rapid firing

[cinder hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFNc04Xs0aw

[sand sluice]

Because most games I don't get punished for that when using a semi automatic weapon unless it's super high recoil or some other thing

[cinder hare]

league has a really funny one

it's all " ok you fucking cheetofingered gooner of a yasuo main with an overinflated toxic ego whose hardstuck gold"

same thing as valorant tho

[sand sluice]

Most games have that issue

It annoys me cause these people choose to be toxic and aren't even good

[cinder hare]

lol its just funny how The Corporation is slandering them

[sand sluice]

Why it also annoys me that during the server slam the game kept defaulting to crew fill on

[cinder hare]

honestly most people were fine ime

just 1 racist team

[sand sluice]

No they're fine

I just don't want to deal with randoms

[cinder hare]

tbf this is a team game, its kinda the default

[sand sluice]

Incorrect

It has a trios mode

If they remove solo mode

Then it would be a team game

Hunt is a team game, cause there is no solo mode outside of that weird like, not main game mode thing

You just go into duos/trios lobbies as a solo

Actually they might have changed that

[cinder hare]

i mean the design of the game is inherently meant to focus more on teams and fill

[sand sluice]

That I'm not 100% sure

Actually wait

Can you queue as duos/trios with rook?

Cause if so then yeah it's a team game

Also on the flipside

[cinder hare]

rook is explicitly a solo mode

but yeah, the devs added solos in response to feedback

and imo, just because the option exists doesnt mean it's defining the game

[sand sluice]

Oh yeah if they didn't do that the game then the game would lose so many people

[cinder hare]

the gamemode =/= the game's goals

[sand sluice]

But idk if that's their design they should stick to it

[sand sluice]

Yeah on the flipside we'll see what game is on full release

[cinder hare]

i was here for the dec playtest

[sand sluice]

Cause they might pull a bait and switch where solos are incapable of doing some content

[cinder hare]

the game changes MASSIVELY without a team

[sand sluice]

I didn't play much between most playtests due to the artist thing and the ones I did I explicitly did rook cause was still trying to sort myself out

[cinder hare]

also i think it's designed more to be better with teams and comms i think

destroyer's tactical is more support-y than anything

[sand sluice]

Yeh that's the shell I've been most iffy about

[cinder hare]

triage has the support setup

[sand sluice]

While I want assassin shell to get nerfed

[cinder hare]

glitch's knockback is meant to help your team get enemies out of cover

and assassin has the whole smoke thing whose value is huge for your team

recon's info is team-wide and visible to others

thief is probably the most selfish of them all

[sand sluice]

I know you say that in theory

[cinder hare]

that's how i play them though

[sand sluice]

But you and me both know thief will be more of a team player than the assassin shell lmao

[cinder hare]

that depends heavily

[sand sluice]

Talking general playerbase

[cinder hare]

like, assassin's honestly better in team play

[sand sluice]

Oh no def

Smoke grenades are always a valuable tool

But unfortunately

In my long list of videogames where smoke grenades exist

Very rarely do people use them correctly

I suspect we'll see some people use them defensively

[cinder hare]

generally i dont compare games when i play w/ randoms vs an actual trio

[sand sluice]

I do unless they separate the lobbies

[cinder hare]

like if you have a team supporting you, a WSTR + Assassin has tons of potential to just guarantee wins

because you can flank them easier, you can give them ready to push, etc

[sand sluice]

Which they might but we'd have to see

[cinder hare]

honestly i just dont think it's a very... clear argument mysef

[sand sluice]

For which thing?

[cinder hare]

saying how the game works w/ randos vs teams

because if you watch how the game plays with an actual team

christ, it's genuinely horrifyingly different

[sand sluice]

Why not? We're getting ranked which is when proper teamplay can be assumed the standard

Well

I say that

[cinder hare]

even when i played with Cyan and another

[sand sluice]

But I'm assuming ranked will be trios

[cinder hare]

it was hella different from just randoms

because you now have gunfire communications, enemy callouts, positioning, map rotations, ammo sharing, shared resources, etc

ive had some good randoms but it only went to like, "lets go here for this quest"

or "i need ammo, got any heavy?"

massively less coordinated and silly

[chatting about the ai in my head calling me a good girl]

[sand sluice]

See my like best randoms are people twitch streaming that usually end up inviting me or something, but that's when I got forced to play the randoms rotationally

I still get randoms inviting me on bf for some reason or another

[cinder hare]

perks of having the voice of a valorant character

[sand sluice]

See I can't tell if that's an insult or not because I do not wanna sound like a valorant char even if I think the voice actors are cool 😭

Also I usually don't vc randoms

[cinder hare]

i mean it means i sound like someone outta a video game

[sand sluice]

Yeah idk

I struggle with natural voice stuff cause my ears are a weird like that

But also

I have unfortunate decades of customer service

[cinder hare]

tbf tho the voices i use are basically a twink voice or a hot man voice

[sand sluice]

So I probably just have ptsd from people talking

[indigo panther]

I had like one squad of randoms during the slam that had everyone talking to each other and it went a lot better

Annoyingly there's people who never talk until everyone is down and then they're like "GG"

[cinder hare]

i have quite a few of those

[sand sluice]

I just don't say shit

[cinder hare]

id say about 50% of people i meet talk a good bit

[indigo panther]

I am yapping in desperate hope it'll help us survive

[sand sluice]

I don't want another person trying to scout me for their tech job or something

[cinder hare]

yeah i dont do CS

i just mute instantly if theyre toxic

[indigo panther]

That is the way

[sand sluice]

CS?

[cinder hare]

customer support

[sand sluice]

It's not worth it.

If I had any control in modern society I would have laws in place that provides everyone who did customer service for a period of time free benefits for life

But eh

Point being I don't have energy for being social verbally

And ultimately if Marathon becomes anti solo for any reason then that's fine and I'll probably drop it

[cinder hare]

im going to sleep now

it'll probably keep solo but it's not gonna be the focus most of the time really

that's just the nature of games like this

[sand sluice]

shrugs I can't say

Ultimately push comes to shove I can always go back to tarkov

Or maybe they work out someway I can still do actual team stuff in the vein of Squad or something

In less than 30 hours

Actually now that I think about it

I should probably queue with randoms if I'm running a sponsored kit

I think you get more xp in trios especially with more fighting

[sand sluice]

These are honestly good tips ngl

[sharp plover]

"most players know at least one language"

[split apex]

btw to people saying the Hardline does the same damage as the CE pistol that's not technically true

Weapons have variable headshot multipliers

I guarantee you the Hardline has a higher multiplier than the pistol, being a precision rifle

[sand sluice]

It does same damage based on firepower

I assume it'll do higher damage per headshot yeh, why I want the info readout so badly so I can see for sure.

[split apex]

yes I'm well aware

[sand sluice]

I still probably would prefer tac pistol in anything closer than sniping distance cause Idk if there's damage fall off yet (if there is, it's another reason that you might want the hardline pr)

Plus on the flipside as long as ammo econ matters the pr makes you take shots slower so you converse ammo

I desperately crave more magnum time tho

Seems like a neat gun but didn't have enough time to mess with it during server slam

[neat nest]

The tac pistol is lowkey really solid in CQC now

[mossy bridge]

Is that the heavy round one or

[neat nest]

The light round one

[mossy bridge]

yeah that one’s pretty nice

[mossy bridge]

I love you, tick milk pictogram creature

[neat nest]

Scavenged JJARO gear though

[sharp plover]

also some pretty heavy weaponry

like his weakest weapon is the Magnum and he gets to carry up to 50 magazines for it

Just imagine how big his backpack is!

[sharp plover]

cyan down bad

[neat nest]

Yeah ngl

[distant zinc]

inertia creeps x marathon edit for fun

lowkey did this instead of writing my essay due in 4 hours but wtv

[neat nest]

New article for the launch, mostly redundant but there’s new Twitch drops

[cinder hare]

BINGUS BINGUS

[mossy bridge]

if he ever shows up he better have Rushing playing

either that or the marathon 2/infinity main theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv_-M_GTEPE

[sand sluice]

Give us the bingus

[twin rain]

Did anyone run into any server/connection issues during the slam?

[neat nest]

I had a crash early on but no other issues

I had a little rubberbanding when playing with aussies but what can be done lol

[sand sluice]

Rubberbanding

And one time it just crashed yeah

Oh and then like

The weird bully smg becomes semi auto

That happened twice

[cinder hare]

never happened to me

[sand sluice]

But that could have been a mod

[neat nest]

Same

I could see a mod to make the Bully semi

Idk though

[sand sluice]

Yeah like

I don't want to say it's a bug

But I also don't want to say it isn't lmao

[neat nest]

In general the game seemed to perform very well

Prox voice issues nonwithstanding

Which I did get prox voice stuff once it wasn’t Fucked

[twin rain]

I didn't have any issues myself. Saw one guy get DCed but it was likely on his end as my squadmate and I didn't have any apparent lag or similar. Dude reconnected in a few min anyways which was nice (had a 10k loadout going in)

[neat nest]

I do appreciate that the restart time is v fast

[wraith vector]

I love that anyone can raise you from dead not just Triage

It's so easy to get back into the game in every regard

[neat nest]

Yeah I was sort of skeptical of hard-kill rezzes being as easy as they are but it feels really good

[sand sluice]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_launches_tomorrow

So question

People feel thermal snipers op

How do destroyer shield do against sniper?

[cinder hare]

ive never met a destroyer who actually shielded

[sand sluice]

I mean

If it doesnt work well against that then I wouldn't use it either

[neat nest]

I feel like the shield is primarily useful in PVE or to briefly get to safety

[final onyx]

in squads you can use it to bog enemies down but as cyan said, mainly pve

[twin rain]

It's good for pushing up thru open areas

[sand sluice]

Sounds like they would need to buff it (as much as I hate saying to buff a shield)

[cinder hare]

not exactly a buff

[sand sluice]

I mean maybe it should stay a pve only ability but that's weird to me

[neat nest]

I also suspect a lot of people just aren’t playing super well with the abilities yet

Lordy I suck with Vandals arm cannon lol

[sand sluice]

Vandals arm cannon def seems a thing you gotta practice some with

I'd want to use other shells but I didn't mess with barter econ so triage was always the shell for me for free heals

[cinder hare]

im halfway ok with it but only halfway

[sand sluice]

Plus zapping unexpecting players with the ult was one of the best ways I could start fights

Since it fucks up all their shit

[cinder hare]

i think assassin / thief will be my mains

i play assassin for smokes

[sand sluice]

I might swap to assassin

[cinder hare]

i dont know if you can use thermals inside the smoke though

[sand sluice]

Just because if they don't nerf the cloak then I can start exploiting with it

[neat nest]

You can I think

Assassin is quietly the smokes guy yeah

[sand sluice]

You should be able to based upon everything I've seen with thermals

[cinder hare]

also ive noticed some high level glitch players will reposition after like, every burst

[neat nest]

Camo isn’t bad but is overrated but smokes fuck

[cinder hare]

snipers are kinda fast

[cinder hare]

personally i use camo defensively over offensively

[sand sluice]

To me it's under rated cause people use it for pvp when I know it's a better pve tool

[neat nest]

Smokes are also excellent pve

[cinder hare]

it's a better idea to engage a fight, bait the enemies into you, camo, and then get free picks

[neat nest]

They’re amnesiac for UESC

[cinder hare]

its automatic disengage which is amazing

[sand sluice]

Yeh but outside the ground land ability which requires more than standard jump he doesn't get free smokes right?

[cinder hare]

ive won quite a lot by doing this

[neat nest]

His prime is also a very accurate long ranged smoke grenade

[cinder hare]

and very fat

[sand sluice]

Oh he does get free smoke grenades?

[neat nest]

Yeah it’s also maybe 1.5x the size of a normal one

[sand sluice]

Damn the assassin players I fought were terrible

[neat nest]

On a like 160 second CD yes

[cinder hare]

way bigger than 1.5x i think

it feels more like 3 of them sticked together

[sand sluice]

Smoke + melee means free kill on green

[neat nest]

I meant radius

[cinder hare]

it has some horizontal aspect to it

[neat nest]

So much much more volume enclosed

[sand sluice]

Unless they have thermals but like

Thermals are thermals

[cinder hare]

i think the thing about thermals being tied more to heat still would be cool

[neat nest]

I am worried it’d support camping too much

[sand sluice]

I got nothing, rn I don't like it

[neat nest]

I think a fade in à la thief visor might be better

[cinder hare]

yeah that could work

or a calibration thing

[sand sluice]

Id have to see it in proper practice

[cinder hare]

Someone suggested thermals building heat

[sand sluice]

I'd like that idea more

Esp if it always builds heat

But also

I know there's some mods for heat build

[cinder hare]

thermals could be toggleable

heatgunning is a valid build yes

[sand sluice]

At that point let me remove the scope for ironsights 😭

[cinder hare]

nyo.

im fairly convinced that no irons is intentional

there's guns with built-in sights

that can swap between iron and no iron

well, 1 gun

[neat nest]

There’s also a variable zoom sight

Which weirdly enough has a different key to use than the M77

[sand sluice]

M77 I need to try out greenmods full for

Same for the ARs

I'm curious if bungie did the 2020s shooter thing and made all the smgs insane

[cinder hare]

i think alt is zoom shift, and z is meant to be alt functions

like z activates shield, etc

[neat nest]

I agree

[sharp plover]

i only used one or two but they were pretty great

[sand sluice]

Yeah that's why I need to try out full greenmod ars

Cause the bully smg was cracked

Felt really weird for low econ gun to be so good

[sharp plover]

the brrt was a real bullet hose but I only had it very briefly

[sand sluice]

That's the one with the cracked tac reload ye?

I also really liked that one

[neat nest]

They’re all pretty good

I really like the copperhead but didn’t get it in the slam

[neat nest]

I think a lot of the gun economy is in mods not guns

But some of them are nasty asf as greys so…

[sand sluice]

Yeah that's what I'm curious about

[twin rain]

I was an AR head during the slam. Scar and M77 were my favs. Did not enjoy the SMGs too much but also didn't give em their time of day

[sand sluice]

Cause I'm not sure about putting mods on the hardline pr

[sand sluice]

I liked everything except the hardline PR and the volley.

Originally I hated the volt weapons but after using them for UESC I like them a lot more

Only one I wouldn't like is the volt but tbf I need to force myself to play trios with sponsored kits

[cosmic flame]

i enjoyed the m77 greatly, it's like what if the overrun had been designed by someone

[cinder hare]

M77, whts that again?

the one with the scopeswap?

[cosmic flame]

flip scope auto rifle

yeh

[cinder hare]

yeah that gun slaps

ok thing i kinda want now is angled/canted sights

i also want some keltech-ass guns

[sand sluice]

I wish the M77 sights stayed on the zoom you left it on when you swap off of it

[sharp plover]

its the P50, it takes P90 mags

[sand sluice]

Only $900

[neat nest]

I don’t think you gotta post this

[cinder hare]

^

also

man people are toxic over thermals rn

[sand sluice]

Why?

Do people really think they're that op?

[neat nest]

there’s nothing else to complain about with the PvP sandbox atm

I do think they’re distorting even with the nerfs from Oct (which weren’t big enough imo)

[sand sluice]

That's crazy, there's plenty they could complain about.

I wonder if it's like

Extraction shooter-isms coming into play where the people that have things they could point out dont do it because they're used to certain things and not wanting to say anything too quickly

I know ottr felt pretty similar to me but that's kind of expected

I havent watched anyone else really cause nobody I else knows has played it minus some tarkov specific people and their stuff was mixed

[cinder hare]

they're real strong, yes

but lots of people are overreacting like crazy

[sand sluice]

I mean to me biggest strength point is seeing through smoke

Cause that def edges it over from possibly op to definitely op

[cinder hare]

ok wait i just had an idea

[sand sluice]

Idk if it should be nerfed tho cause Idk how it looks econ wise

Too early for me to tell

[cinder hare]

its blue/purple

which is fairly easy to get

i got 2 of them in the slam

[sand sluice]

Yeah but can you buy them or do you gotta find them is more what I meant

[neat nest]

You can buy em eventually

[cinder hare]

i thinkkkkkkkkk you can buy em

you can buy gold gear at some point lmao

[sand sluice]

Ah then yeah, unless they're like 2k or something prob should be nerfed

[neat nest]

I think they’re from Arachne or Traxus but I forget if it’s credits or barter

[neat nest]

Traxus gives you a gold gun a day eventually the metaprog is strong

[cinder hare]

lmao seriously

[sand sluice]

good

[neat nest]

I think it’s like rank 16 or something

[sand sluice]

Makes up for giving the hardline pr in the sponsored kit

Besides I'm assuming it would be adjusted if too good

Well tbf

I'm putting maybe too much faith in bungie

I'd have to ask destiny pvpers their balancing record

[neat nest]

I think thermals and snipers are probably gonna be adjusted eventually

[cinder hare]

ok someone crazy did the math

[sand sluice]

Yeah I can see that for sure

[neat nest]

They don’t need huge nerfs they just need to have more downsides imo

[cinder hare]

TTK is heavily biased in favor of certain types of weapons

snipers and shotties rn, basically

[sand sluice]

They have near unreactable ttk right?

If not unreactable

[cinder hare]

i think they said the average is about 1000~ ms, while a proper WSTR has 500~ ms

[sand sluice]

Really?

Wait

Avg how?

Blue shields and above I see it, greenshields I'd be expecting 3 shot on body for snipers and 2 shots on shotgun

[cinder hare]

all weapons, no mods, averaged across all armors

[sand sluice]

Huh interesting

[cinder hare]

ttk w/ white and green only is about 870 ms

[sand sluice]

That's so slow tho hmm

[neat nest]

It’s lower for both I think

But a lot depends on shield quality

[sand sluice]

Yeah like to me I would have guessed more 400-600 ms range

[cinder hare]

across all shields yep yep

which means purples and golds

[neat nest]

It was about 900 ms in Oct

[cinder hare]

for white/green only its 870ms

[neat nest]

But they reduced TTK across the board and nerfed the WSTR since then

[cinder hare]

might be possibly outdated data

[neat nest]

It might be using the Oct data as a base

[sand sluice]

I'm just curious how they are testing

[neat nest]

People had a lot more time to do testing then

[cinder hare]

slam data

[sand sluice]

Cause Idk how shields vs hp and firepower all works

[neat nest]

Huh it’s a smaller reduction than I thought then

[sand sluice]

Whats the ttk for other weapons clases?

[neat nest]

The WSTR has definitely been nerfed though

[cinder hare]

126 DPS, for instance

[neat nest]

Can you post the sheet?

[cinder hare]

'

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uBZiShiWBBsAE3WK6W4IIti7-VPQEmMcV92ZONu_pY8/edit?gid=1224956710#gid=1224956710

[cinder hare]

yeah WSTR is a TOD

V85 is also a tod

[neat nest]

Wow the Railguns got slapped down

[cinder hare]

so yeah it sounds like ttk issues are 90% "5 guns too strong"

combined with Skill Issue

(RAT HARDER)

[neat nest]

Hmm I have some doubts about this actually

I do not think the V11 punch has 600 rpm anymore

[cinder hare]

its about as accurate as itll be for now

[neat nest]

I just suspect there’s some old data in there

[cinder hare]

yeah possibly

[neat nest]

Since it sure used to shoot that fast

[cinder hare]

why does the V11 deal so much dmg?

[sand sluice]

What like 25?

[neat nest]

TLDR the numbers for energy weapons are bad

Assuming it’s the same methods for getting data as the NDA stuff

So they show erroneous amounts

[cinder hare]

huh why so?

[neat nest]

I forget why cause the channel which discussed it and got dev commentary isn’t visible now

[sand sluice]

I thought it was like 25~26 in the server slam?

[neat nest]

I think it has to do with travel time and damage vs shields

[cinder hare]

icicic

[sand sluice]

Oh wait

You're talking about the calculated dps not the fp

[neat nest]

The Volt assault rifle also doesn’t need 1.5 seconds to kill

I’m sure we’ll have better data after the release

It looks like a lot of it updated but not all of it

[sand sluice]

I'd test myself if I knew hp values of things

Unfortunately I know nothing

Except krill

[neat nest]

I believe runners have 100ish meat HP and I don’t know shield HP now

It used to be 25 a pip

But I think they reduced it and increased meat HP

[sand sluice]

I remember 3 shots body for longshot

For server slam

[neat nest]

What shield color?

[sand sluice]

Green

And like I said I one tapped someone with a HS green on ares so I'm like

And I'm still not sure 😭

[wraith vector]

It's also hard to say if folks are running around full HP I swear some sit at like 30% with confidence

[neat nest]

lol true

[cinder hare]

itd be cool if you could bring up trackers on your holophone

[sand sluice]

Yeah it's why I wanna know the numbers so bad

[neat nest]

Fun MIDA fact I missed

[distant zinc]

vandal canonically being drippy as fuck is really funny to me

[cosmic flame]

its
its
hmm

[cinder hare]

Ngl I find it really funny how like, the game has this very casual eroticism about it

[distant zinc]

how do you mean?

[sand sluice]

Casual?

[final onyx]

well, arachne,,

[sand sluice]

I can't speak for the men, I just assume people are having thoughts about them

[cinder hare]

The whole skin tight aesthetic of the runners, the way arachne treats violence, the AI that calls you studmuffin, and the way the trailers are all like, super high tension relationships, etc etc etc

[final onyx]

i think carmen spent too long in the font mines and interprets people poking in your brain as intentional eroticism

[cinder hare]

Lmao

[sand sluice]

The AI giving me affirmations is better than how everybody treats me in my life. I do not have a ground to stand on

[cinder hare]

Ok but like seriously it’s very hard to define it solidly

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBfsX-EasAABjv2.jpg:large

It’s a very

It’s like this

[final onyx]

i noticed

[cinder hare]

tbf I have literal dolls lmao

[neat nest]

I’m just gonna leak the gc on this one

[final onyx]

this is consistent with internet circles relatin to dissociation from your body

[sand sluice]

Rip me

I wish I got that part of it

[cinder hare]

Assassin is gay as shit lmao

[sand sluice]

I just get the classical uhh

"I am not physically correct" thing

Or w/e it's called where your flesh and bones feels yours but also broken

[neat nest]

That Mewing Demon is something for sure

[sand sluice]

See this makes me feel like a bad person

Cause I just looked at void and was like

[cinder hare]

Wait shit he has the lesbian fingers lmao

Yeah this dude fucks

[sand sluice]

👉 "edge"

Idk a better point emote

[neat nest]

Void’s design just goes insanely hard

[sand sluice]

To me I think the UESC look cooler

[neat nest]

With the pinprick red eyes and horn stumps and holo-hood and skintight camo-suit and harness and chiseled but vaguely androgynous design

[cinder hare]

be AI god
become little kbitty
What did god mean by this?

(Durandal is Bingus theory)

[sand sluice]

I want bingus to actually just be a cat

Would be so funny

[distant zinc]

indubitably

escape will make me pink

[cinder hare]

iirc Bingus is confirmed an intelligence of some sort

[neat nest]

Bingus is potentially an uplifted cat who has gone through a rampancy-adjacent intelligence explosion

[sand sluice]

Yeah that's what I would believe

But also of course I do

Because then bingus is just a pink garf

[cinder hare]

I need to make a glitch edit to JOYRIDE holy shit

These shells serving absolute cunt: the edit

[sand sluice]

I thought about making something

But it would be one of two things

Either a meme shitpost of the "time to go to bed" song

Or it would have vocal stack touhou song

I could do foreground eclipse as well but Idk if that would fit

[cinder hare]

DOKI DOKI WAKU WAKU

[distant zinc]

DO IT

i’m lowkey editpilled now

shit is so fun

[cinder hare]

ok issue is

how

[sand sluice]

Wdym how

Just feel it out

Crack open bwuuuuh

Microsoft clip champ

And start editing

[cinder hare]

in terms of software

esp with typography and shit

transitions

[distant zinc]

ngl i kinda just fucked around with capcut for a few hours until i had something i like d

[cinder hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRwP7XFbLPM

vandal edit

[distant zinc]

i see the vision

[mossy bridge]

speaking of

is asssassin bald

because i saw a render of him with like

...akira nishikiyama hair? i dont know how best to describe it

it's nishiki's evil slicked back hair

[cosmic flame]

fuck 😭

[mossy bridge]

it's either that or

[cosmic flame]

TEN YEARS ON DEIMOS MADE YOU A FUCKIN PUSSY

[cosmic flame]

NO

NO

[mossy bridge]

think about it

both use knives

[cosmic flame]

NOT THE MALE MANIPULATOR HAIRCUT

[mossy bridge]

both are biosynthetic robots

[cosmic flame]

😭

[mossy bridge]

both find themselves, starting back

[cosmic flame]

MY CYCLES OF GUILT

[neat nest]

Yes in the old cinematic no now i think

[vagrant carbon]

signalis jumpscare

[final onyx]

me going into dangerous buildings to find some trash i can sell

[neat nest]

Filling my bag with empty drink containers and mundane records to leave a confusing and disappointing corpse

[wintry shuttle]

"What the fuck."

"What?"

"This guy only has fucking drink containers."

"..."

"We wasted four mags taking down a guy who had drink containers."

[neat nest]

thorsty

whoa

(number 3 global)

[wintry shuttle]

Dang

This is going to eat into Tarkov's steam pie

and a little bit into Raider's too.

Like Marathon is for PVP/hardcore.

[neat nest]

Honestly might be good for both games if Marathon peel's off a chunk of Arc's PVP community

[wintry shuttle]

Raider's is sorta like babies first extract game.

because its very casual friendly

[neat nest]

I wish there was a less disparaging sounding way to say it but I agree

[wintry shuttle]

and is more PVE focused.

[neat nest]

Big focus on friendly stuff and team ups, generous low tier gear, small(er) gear disparity between low and high

safe pocket

[wintry shuttle]

Marathon wants you to kill things

[neat nest]

It's so paranoia inducing

Almost all the prox chat moments I've had have been when we can't see one another and aren't sure where each other are haha

[sand sluice]

In tarkov experienced players want you to voip so they know where you are

Wouldn't surprise me if that happens some in marathon too

So if the uhh

McDonald's ceo is one corp

Which Corp are they? And which one is the Wendy's ceo corp?

[neat nest]

I'm confused by this question

But that aside

(posted by MarathonArchive on twitter no idea if they made it)

[twin rain]

they're all nucaloric (but only combined and yet they still lack the philanthropy part: it's a poor comparison)

[neat nest]

(I've been poking at the beginnings of lore wikis) Ok am I having a boss baby moment or does Marathon's expository style remind others of fromsoft stuff?

There's all these little details buried in various things you find and item descriptions and such

And an evocative lonely world to experience

[cosmic flame]

someone else said marathon made them see what others see in miyazaki's work
I still consider this deranged but yknow what, if it works it works

[twin rain]

I see what you're getting at but it doesn't click like that for me. To me it's still very Destiny-coded (not derogatory)

[neat nest]

Might be different for me because I never really played Destiny

[cinder hare]

I thought I once saw that it’s more like tomfoolery with a side of pve

[cinder hare]

I only played AC6 but sounds accurate

[neat nest]

Yeah that's maybe overzealous haha

[wintry shuttle]

Tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-mad-mercy-power-puff-girl-mercy-is-for-weak-gif-13496632

[cinder hare]

I think Marathon is due for a long long life as long as Bungie doesn’t fuck it up

We got shitposting everywhere

We already have lore fantatics

[cosmic flame]

PEEL ALL RUNNERS

[cinder hare]

We have 1000 hours of gameplay monsters

[wintry shuttle]

All there's left is fanfic

and spicy fanfic

[cinder hare]

Also now I want them to add blister pack grenades to the lore

[wintry shuttle]

to start showing up for either category.

[cinder hare]

I mean we already have recon x recon x recon art

[wintry shuttle]

True

Also, some people are saying the game can be taken as a trans allegory.

I don't know where that angle is coming from besides the concept of the Shells I guess???

[cinder hare]

I want this in Marathon

[neat nest]

What is it?

[cinder hare]

This game is trans-pulled as fuck

[neat nest]

There's a strong throughline of rebirth and change

Shifting into the shells, the constant larva and moth symbolism

[cinder hare]

Blister pack 40mm shells, basically

[neat nest]

The changes in the colony and the accelerated evolution of the wildlife around it

[neat nest]

Oh that seems very on brand for Marathon yeah

[cinder hare]

I wouldn’t say it’s trans necessarily but it’s very adjacent

[wintry shuttle]

Very true

[cinder hare]

You could make a damn fine analysis of the transness of the world

ALTHOUGH

[neat nest]

Yeah it's not exclusively a trans allegory for sure but I can definitely see it

[cinder hare]

Mida does trans themselves because it’s more advantageous for anarchy

[wintry shuttle]

Oh wow

I'll say this

Thief?

She's the most human looking shell.

[neat nest]

Even with the doll joints?

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah

Like her face is humanish.

[cinder hare]

Assassin feels like someone I’ve met irl doing cosplay

[neat nest]

aha found it, every game which gets a tweet like this probably has something going on

[wintry shuttle]

_>

||Thief is goals||

[cinder hare]

The funny thing is that glitch is super achievable out of all the girls you could want to look like

I want to be thief, but look at my tag lmao

[neat nest]

Yeah aside from the thigh cutouts Glitch is extremely cosplayable and human shaped

[wintry shuttle]

She really is

[cinder hare]

She’s literally just a goth lady with nice thighs

[neat nest]

She does have the weird third eye in the first cinematic but that's honestly not hard to do look wise

[sharp plover]

i mean, Tarkov's steam peak was only ~48k and typically averages between 8k and 16k currently so i dont think thats too hard

ARC meanwhile averages ~70k to ~200k

[wintry shuttle]

You saying that reminds me of the fact that I have been slacking in my workout routines of turning my thighs into weapons.

[sharp plover]

(and 200k peak for the month is trending down)

[cinder hare]

I have some fineass thighs

I would do glitch

[wintry shuttle]

If I slimmed down I could probably do Recon or Thief.

[neat nest]

Tarkov has a big non-steam playerbase tbf

[wintry shuttle]

Though I would need to grow out my hair for a Thief cosplay.

[sharp plover]

i think most of Tarkov's players are Tarkov Players who aren't going to switch to anything that isn't Tarkov

[wintry shuttle]

But Cyan! The Steam Player Counts mean game good! /s

[sharp plover]

yeah and most Tarkov players (afaik) are non-Steam

[wintry shuttle]

God that fucking metric needs to go die.

It has done more damage than toxic communities.

[sharp plover]

but ARC absolutely is going to keep trending down and some of those people will go to Marathon and might stick there instead

[tawdry sequoia]

the crazy thing that Arc Raiders has that seems like a huge unforced error is locking the current update quests behind all the normal ones, which are reset with the expedition

it feels like a massive oversight that will continue hurting it as the game keeps going

[obsidian latch]

Need to learn how to do shit like this

[sharp plover]

mostly i mean "every game's player count trends downwards until eventually the only people left are the freaks and the one-gamers" barring actual fuck ups that cause big drops

[neat nest]

Something which surprised me from the retrospective on Highguard was that 102k concurrent players on steam translated to like 2.1 million players overall and the game had a bigger PS5 playerbase than PC

[sharp plover]

and yeah, the other thing for Marathon is full cross-play with Xbox and PS

[tawdry sequoia]

makes me wonder what the console numbers for Marathon are, yeah

[sharp plover]

(incl. cross-save, if you're willing to buy it again)

[neat nest]

Probably high, there just aren't very many console extraction shooters

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah

[tawdry sequoia]

especially the sweatier ones

[wintry shuttle]

There's only The Division, Arc Raiders, Marathon, and that one game set in a Cold War gone ho- Oh! Vigor! That's the one.

So, there's like technically four? If you include the Division's dark zone gamemode.

[neat nest]

People datamined some likely art assets for the in game store/battle pass

Gonna spam for a sec sorry

I think that's all

[cosmic flame]

man the distressed text they keep using in their design language is so hot

it's so hard to do it tastefully nowadays

[wintry shuttle]

I will tell you all this I will main Recon and Sentinel.

[cosmic flame]

this and the new saru GITS announcement

phew whew

[wintry shuttle]

Also, considering how (with exception to Rook) the Runners are gendered equally.

Is everyone new Runner gonna alternate between man, woman, and robot?

I hope we get more robots like Rook.

[sharp plover]

Karnemir Clade?

[wintry shuttle]

Imagine playing as rogue Grenadier.

[neat nest]

That's where I got them yeah, it's a fan server from some Marathon lore oldhead

[wintry shuttle]

Or a ghost that's going against programming.

[neat nest]

I don't think so because of the "Series" system they're using

Basically your shell is divided into 3 things:

• Model, which is your stats and type and abilities. The "game mechanical runner" (this is Assassin, Triage, Thief, etc)
• Series, which is your voice and model design (Void, Aux, Icon, etc)
• Style, which is your equipped skin

They've talked about adding additional Series (fem-presenting Assassin as one example) as mtx super-skins or battlepass rewards or just free cosmetics before

So I think new shells might be whatever and they'll keep things interesting with new Series'

[wintry shuttle]

So, this is the latest from Marathon's official account.

In Marathon... 🔹Seasonal gameplay content is free for all players to access or earn, including zones and Runner shells 🔹There is no pay for power 🔹Rewards Passes do not expire 🔹You can buy previous seasons' Rewards Passes if you wish 🔹You unlock rewards in your Rewards Passes using SILK, which is earned by playing the game. SILK cannot be purchased. 🔹Premium Pass Rewards only include cosmetics, not gameplay items 🔹Cosmetics are also earnable through the Codex, with others available for purchase 🔹The premium currency LUX can only be used for cosmetics – not gameplay advantages

Helldivers actually did it. They gave a better model.

[sharp plover]

oh nice

this is actually even less P2W than HD2 because premium warbonds do have gear in them

but it also makes sense since clearly Bungie is heavily restricting what will carry between seasons to as little as possible

[wintry shuttle]

I hope Marathon explodes or at least has a healthy player count.

[sharp plover]

with the way sales seem to be currently going, it looks like it

[wintry shuttle]

Oh yeah

It's at no.1 right now

[neat nest]

Yeah I'm now confident it'll be healthy

I was before it hit number 1 but I still am now

[sharp plover]

and once gameplay of the actual game starts getting widely distributed, thatll help curb some of the bullshit still floating around as well, i hope

[wintry shuttle]

Oh man

That reminds me, someone was shitting on the game for being bad. But they were trying to snipe with an SMG.

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-14842648364541817040

[sharp plover]

yeah its a lot of stuff like that

people just straight up lying or misinforming based on incorrect information or assumptions

[neat nest]

Same, I think Marathon is a game with a lot of depth and space for skill expression and it'll be way easier to start when there's more of a community

[sharp plover]

even just a basic understanding of what the game actually is because im still seeing people talking about the game who dont know

[indigo oriole]

i think it'll do well once people find out if they want to play an Extraction Shooter or not

[sharp plover]

yeah

[indigo oriole]

keep seeing lots of the typical lukewarm "but what if pve only mode" takes

[wintry shuttle]

Those same people were probably complaining about Tarkov not having a PVE mode

[sharp plover]

(okay but i do hope they add pve at some point but not just the extraction loop without other players, i want a distinct game mode)

[cinder hare]

BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

[neat nest]

I could see something like that if the game lands well

[wintry shuttle]

Imagine if they made Tarkov labs but as a co-op duo/Destiny styled raid experience for Marathon.

[cinder hare]

I really think a firing range would be good

[sharp plover]

or even just like, destiny strikes

[neat nest]

Big agree

I’d like to test some of the hardware I’m using before risking losing it

[sharp plover]

go in, do a few specific objectives in scripted setpieces, get out

mini-multi contracts

[neat nest]

Like those mods which give buffs after… some time in ADS

Would be nice to get a feel for em without the risk of loss

[neat nest]

Yeah that could be fun

I just don’t want it to short circuit the economy

[sharp plover]

you could just remove normal loot from those missions and limit rewards to only whatever the "quest" gives

or even requiring a buy-in or something

credits or specific key items (lootable or purchaseable) or whatever

[neat nest]

Yeah there’s ways to make it work I think

[obsidian latch]

Oh that new announcement is real nice

I love when monetization doesn’t suck ass

[neat nest]

Yeah any sort of $40 dollar live service game is gonna have MTX now but I like it when the MTX system doesn’t feel nasty

[obsidian latch]

DRG probably has the best system but it’s not even really micro transactions, in terms of paid content yeah HD2 probably has the best model

[cinder hare]

Live service is just expensive to do, and servers are expensive as hellllllll

It makes a lot of sense imo

[wintry shuttle]

I wonder how much money they're getting from the pre-orders?

[cinder hare]

Millions, easily

Most people will just pay for battle pass at most

Whales that make up 5% of the community basically print money lol

I just realized my personal solution to thermals

[sand sluice]

Wendy's ceo did his own thing where he like, actually eats the Wendy's food proper

[cinder hare]

• Thermals build heat over time. This encourages using them to scout and take hits, over camping. Can be mitigated easily.
• The Thermal Scope is bright. This means when you zoom out of one after some time, auto-exposure / pupil dilation makes things a little too bright or harder to see for a few moments
• Doesn’t work vs signal jammer (more fun than anything)
• distance based effectiveness

More for fun than actual proper balance

[neat nest]

I’m pretty sure they already get blocked by signal jammers

[cinder hare]

if they are thats fun

[neat nest]

It’s aiui the only real counterplay besides being agoraphobic right now

[cinder hare]

+  +++ Thermostasis +++  +
|========================|
| Classification:  Core  |
| Target Shell:    Recon |
| Rarity:          Deluxe|
+------------------------+
| When pinged or targeted|
| by any [Thermal] scope,|
| become SIGNAL JAMMED.  |
| Your first SLIDE while |
| SIG_JAMMED does not    |
| generate HEAT.         |
+------------------------+

another carmen homebrew

[sand sluice]

bingus

[cosmic flame]

WSTR shotgun

[cinder hare]

11 hours

[cinder hare]

thinking about "if marathon was allowed to collab with ips"

i dont want collabs

but if they did...

V1 Ultrakill UESC Cryo Archive raid boss

and then the guns they use are

• Ares (railcannon)
• V85 (shotgun)
• V11 Punch (Pistol)
• V75 Scar / Demolition(???) Nailgun
• grenade launcher???

and the fists are basically:

• thief grapple
• WSTR (nerfed but still WSTR)
• nade parry

[sand sluice]

collab with ips?

very clearly they should do an escape from duckov collab

[cinder hare]

does assassin disappear from thermals when invis (in smokes)?

[twin rain]

No

[cinder hare]

someone else says his invis counters thermals

[wraith vector]

They're trying to trick you, criminal

[distant zinc]

Arachne x Health edit

i must spread the propaganda as far as i can

[echo scroll]

BANGER

[distant zinc]

i’m gonna do one for all the factions eventually

ideally all with HEALTH songs but Rushing is calling to me

[echo scroll]

I’m shocked I haven’t seen any to Tokyo drift yet

[obsidian latch]

How soon till the game is playable?

[echo scroll]

5ish hours

[obsidian latch]

Shit I’m gonna be asleep rip

[echo scroll]

1pm est