Marathon

[neat nest]

Jamais vu from the Oct playtest a little

There’s all these little changes

[sonic idol]

I have discovered the sheer joy that is hunting Assassins as a Recon

especially in Solo lobbies

[fallow coyote]

i just got out with a decent haul by looting crawler

as rook

not because of what i found in there

but because a solo healer guy showed up, started shooting the UESC bots that i didn't kill

and assumed i was also a UESC bot

so he rushed me with a knife thinking i wouldn't do that much damage

[cosmic flame]

flips out wstr

[ivory laurel]

Vandal is bae, arm rocket into a fresh deploy of UESC is such a nice engagement starter.

[cosmic flame]

the first of many 1v3s

[cinder hare]

can you run thermals on assassin to kill while in smoke?

[cinder hare]

ngl i dont get peoples complaints about the UI

it feels a little clunky and could use some more QoL (sort by: options for skins and such), and better display of what item is what would be nice

but it doesnt feel half as bad as what lots of people act like it is

[twin rain]

Yeah I agree. Unfortunately some people have come to expect the homogenization seen over the annual iterations of near identical shooters. Can't deal with style.

[cinder hare]

like the movement aint shit

[twin rain]

I'd recommend using their feedback form on their discord to at least make your opinion heard directly. I know I'll be.

[cinder hare]

the slide feels like what a slide would actually be

fast, clunky, like launching a piece of metal with fireworks locked onto em

also christ the discord is a cesspit

[twin rain]

Unfortunately true

(of also like 99% of any gaming discord)

(but that doesn't make it ok)

[cinder hare]

like you genuinely cant try to discuss something

[slate field]

Partly why I never looked back after the whole alpha debacle

Complete failure to moderate off-topic discussion or reign in bad actors

[cinder hare]

mmm

it's also why i like the NDA channel best

because those are people who are willing to actually play the gme

[cosmic flame]

nice little haul

[cinder hare]

also in terms of the ttk complaints

which i see a lot

a lot of it is being caught off guard, no comms, or bad positioning

apex legends will have you die in 0.8 seconds if you're not ready, but a fight can last 3-5 minutes if you know how to space your healing and move around fights

that being said though, it would be nice if everyone felt a touch tanky, like how UESC can tank a lot of bullets sometimes

[slate field]

I'd like the TTK to be somewhere between Apex and where Marathon is now

Apex always felt like the fights went too long, the fights in this are too quick unless everyone is playing super safe

[cinder hare]

in Apex i think thats intentional

[distant zinc]

man the lore entries so far are really cool

[neat nest]

It’s okay if you leave the general channel, there’s been some kind of raid there which has made it borderline unusable

But quieter channels like lore or NDA are pretty ok

[vagrant carbon]

I typically avoid official servers because they almost always are very big, loud & toxic

[final onyx]

its a good game but i dont like playing solo, which doesnt gel with the seasons every few months

[wraith vector]

Gosh it's wild how many folks bounce off having to read/learn UI for like 30 seconds

I blames the TikTok

I can't even make dumb generational jokes because it's like 30-40 year old streamers we used to read manuals, whahappened

Also I really don't know what game the 'there's no PVP' folks are playing, every round has a couple killsquads or brave rats

[neat nest]

Yea there’s some UI clarity issues for sure (protector V1 and Reinforced Shields V1 need different pictures for example) but most of the complaints are just like

People refusing to look for information before complaining

[wintry shuttle]

Bungie has said USEC is overclocked and doing squad wipes everywhere.

USEC plays like players

[neat nest]

Reminds me of fighting the Covenant

Except the a lot of the elites have jackal shields

[wraith vector]

I just mean it feels rarer to not see PVP in my games, either murdering us or we end up with a few-to-seven runner kills

[neat nest]

lol

[wraith vector]

yeah idk if i'm playing different than folks but ammo hasn't been a huge worry

[neat nest]

Also real asf

[wraith vector]

Volt weapons kind of slap

[neat nest]

I think she’s exaggerating for humor but damn there’s a lot to shoot

[wraith vector]

This is why slower fire with more bigger numbers is the real strategy! Efficient! More bullet per bullet!

/can't track automatic weapons well, unrelated

[wintry shuttle]

Do they have revolvers?

I want to play around with revolvers

[wraith vector]

There's a 'magnum' but it's not revolver-y just solid damage on a sidearm

And honestly the V11 Punch hits like a damn rifle

[twin rain]

The charge mode is no joke too. It will one shot ghost commanders in the head

[wraith vector]

Halo 1 Pistol and Plasma Pistol in one gun, beauty

[tawdry sequoia]

How often do folks engage UESC? I've mostly avoided them as solo so I'm not sure how oppressive they are in trios

The times I did play in teams they felt dangerous but manageable if you didn't get stuck fighting them

[twin rain]

As someone who has only played trios thus far, semi often. They're still typically a net drain on resources, but not usually a major impediment if they're in the way

Obviously if they get the drop on you or if a second group pincers you from the other side of the area it's a tough time

[wintry shuttle]

Playing Solo? USEC is a grinder fest.

You gotta get the drop on them fast or fight at an elevated position where they can't get to you easy.

[tawdry sequoia]

I've mostly kept to staying mobile while solo, if you pop one or two then scoot they seem to lose track of you fairly reliably

More than that feels like very much a net loss in time and resources

[wintry shuttle]

Oh yeah

but I like to fight that's the problem.

[neat nest]

They made it a demon gun since the playtest I was in it kicks ass now

[wintry shuttle]

I'll fight everybody and their mama in Marathon

https://tenor.com/view/yosemite-sam-looney-tunes-firing-gun-gif-16227833

[indigo oriole]

As a solo player, fights against usec is more like guerilla warfare. Or sometimes just gorilla warfare

[tawdry sequoia]

It feels like people complaining about lack of pvp might be complaining about a lack of being forced into pvp if you're just sneaking around, it's rare to find no one unless I'm just in and out

[indigo oriole]

Pop one guy, immediately dash for the other side of the roof to try to lose some aggro to find a new window to pop a different guy

[neat nest]

Yeah you gotta be careful with em solo

[tawdry sequoia]

I mostly don't have a feel for how to engage the higher rank bots

Because yeah bad time solo

[neat nest]

In squads it’s just violence of action where you kill them ASAP to buy more loot time before the eviction squad shows up

Unless you’re well geared and playing for lockdowns

[indigo oriole]

Ive only pulled it off once but whats real fun is using usec to peel off the player stalking you

[wintry shuttle]

Question, anyone know where the emergency release is for the tox clears?

Because man doing that one is so frustrating.

[neat nest]

They changed them I think

Used to be a keycard

It’s a red laptop in the vicinity now

[wraith vector]

You need a keycard for the laptop ||Also it shuts them down for a duration get out fast||

[mossy bridge]

really hate toxin effects

nightmare to deal with

[wraith vector]

I think the pods on the ground could give you a second to dodge given the way they can just be like fully out of LOS

[twin rain]

the aoe on the mushroom things is deceptively large too

[sand sluice]

I generally delete them.

Only time I start to have issues is when it's CQC and I don't have 2nd gun and they're rushing me or it's a purp shield.

I try not to engage them if I'm trying to do anything specific tho

[mossy bridge]

i need to stop fucking playing marathon before i break something

i knew this was going to happen

it's always the case with pvp

[sand sluice]

yeah definitely take a break, go get some water to sip and look at afv or cat videos or anything else to pull your mind away

I usually browse cat and dog pictures when I get depressed as a way to pass the time

[neat nest]

Yeah there are some real heartbreaker runs

[sand sluice]

wrt to UI

a lot of people's complaints are a bit all over the place but I'd argue UI is the most valid because there's some things that flat out should be better, but the UI certainly isn't as bad as people think.

The actual UI between the icon to icon stuff is a bit frustrating and things like hovering over your empty slot on your loadout IMO should highlight what can go in there from your vault.

I don't like trying to remove/add mods from weapons that already have them equipped. I come from like Incursion Red River and Tarkov where I can inspect weapons and just pull mods off that way but insofar I haven't seen a way to do that in marathon, feels like I need to specifically equip the weapon and hold down the F key to remove a mod which takes so long, nevermind the fact you have to have inv space to do it (I'd seriously rather just drop the mod if my bag is full if I'm trying to remove it than have to drop something in inv and do the whole rodeo)

because of the high vibrant colors, apparently I am just flat out missing certain stuff which like, Idk how they could necessarily improve that but that's also a pain point

navigation for the menu at times is frustrating but it's less of an actual issue and more of a convenience thing. To me it feels like you're browsing some sort of folder tree and the only way to navigate is to back all the way up to the base tree before diving back into the part you want.

[neat nest]

I think the only really egregious thing is reinforced shields and normal shields looking the same

[sand sluice]

I lost like 7k credits worth of auto-sold valuables cause I got lost trying to do a quest 😭

[sand sluice]

yeah, I also still don't quite understand them

[neat nest]

Near as I can tell reinforced shields are just 2x as good

[sand sluice]

like do reinforced shields not give a +1 or is the +1 from the non reinforced shields built into the reinforced shields?

[neat nest]

When I equipped a green reinforced shield I still had 2 shield pips but they were tougher

[sand sluice]

gotcha, that's def good to know and IMO they need to make that clear

like

[indigo oriole]

props to the pubs i was with where we completed all 3 of our different contracts and survived two big pvpve firefights

most value i've ever grabbed on top of that

[neat nest]

damn

nice run

[sand sluice]

the person with 1k value 😭

[indigo oriole]

personal log is worth 4000 whew

[mossy bridge]

every time i engage in pvp is a heartbreaker because the second i lose i become angry it doesnt matter what

[sand sluice]

yeah I think my best was around 7.5k

[neat nest]

I pulled one of those out on a rook run and was so stoked I screenshotted it

[indigo oriole]

yeah video games shouldnt make you angry

[sand sluice]

I verbally tic when I get randomly deleted but usually I'm alright, unfortunately the difference between me doing a verbal tic and tilting is duration.

Usually if it lasts after I'm out of the situation and I haven't quite moved on, I start evaluating if I'm tilting out

but like

this is 100% a game where you might get deleted in half a second from someone else, and it's just luck

I've gotten killed like 3 separate times from someone with no gear just walking up to me and killing me with their knife when I'm in the middle of looting

annoyed me one time in specific cause I actually reacted on time I just fumbled cause I had the dumb ammo box equipped

so I threw the ammo box down and only started shooting after that but by then I was so low it didn't matter

[neat nest]

I just try to say "that's Marathon" and move on since you can lose instantly for a small missplay or even no misplay

But it's hard sometimes

[sand sluice]

you can lose for spawning in, you can spawn in next to a purple UESC

it def happens

I'm trying so hard to be like

well

trying not to be like

"I hope they make the UESC harder"

[twin rain]

I wonder if the pfhor will be a full-fledged enemy faction (the harder one) or just a sort of "raid" style special NPC encounter

[mossy bridge]

well they do
it's always pvp that does it the worse
nothing i've tried to cope or reduce or whatever has worked

[indigo oriole]

yeah id just avoid it then

just had a Triple Triage crew, heal through da pain, nothing we cant solve

[mossy bridge]

it being the entire genre of pvp

[indigo oriole]

yeah theres like, so many games that do not have pvp whatsoever

[neat nest]

I think it's interesting that the back sleeves on Vandal appear very hot on thermals - clearly they're radiators for the biggest heat cap shell

[mossy bridge]

i thought it was like

a hoodie tied around her

[neat nest]

It's sleeves but I'm not sure where the rest is

It might be

[tawdry sequoia]

I think my immediate UI criticism is because it's sci-fi, it's hard to parse what is valuable and isn't outside of rarity

I don't on sight recognize half the things in the game because they're weird bits and bobs and tubes and meat blobs, so looting takes more cognitive bandwith

[mossy bridge]

i noticed some re-used loot icons too

i hope they change that

should be immediately identifiable at a glance beyond just simple rarity

[tawdry sequoia]

yeah, that's been my biggest issue, I get that they're trying to do a unified art style and design language for the items in universe, but legibility is sometimes an issue

and yeah unequipping mods is a chore

[twin rain]

you do kinda get used to what you need for bartering/trades (though I do agree on the "same-thing-but-different-background/rarity" issue)

[tawdry sequoia]

ended up in a solo assassin pileup

[cosmic flame]

"lots of fries at this burger place"

[tawdry sequoia]

ambushing a solo assassin at extract as assassin, then getting ambushed by another assassin

vae victis and all that

also I think I have tool cart blindness

I have not been able to find one

[cosmic flame]

many cases

[cinder hare]

The most fucking hilarious thing ever

Marathon twit is more positive than marathon cord/ddit

Anyways imma do like, 5 more runs

[tawdry sequoia]

if anyone wants to squad up with a not very good lvl 9, hmu

[twin rain]

I think that makes us 3

[cinder hare]

Yeah

[twin rain]

oops, friends just logged on to run, maybe later tho!

[tawdry sequoia]

I guess I'll chill in VC

[neat nest]

I can do a couple runs

[cosmic flame]

i can hop on in a sec

[sand sluice]

rip

game defaults to crew fill

[mossy bridge]

not a fan of how container hacks just summon guys from the ether though maybe that's just it calling in Dudes™ in the general area

[cinder hare]

good run

[cinder hare]

i think it just prints them instantly

also

why would i use the Ares RG?

it has less range, less damage, and needs to charge unlike the Long shot

[sand sluice]

found my first suppressor

god I love it

[sand sluice]

secured boxes spawn in new enemies, the wall safes just blare alarm for immediate area

[mossy bridge]

right

[sand sluice]

if you have a grenade or 2 the secured boxes are much easier to do because you can throw a grenade cause they spawn in like a tron cgi thing

[sand sluice]

if you have both and one gun is better just use the better gun

it's like how for me the tac pistol is goated compared to the hardline pr

hardline pr is technically better at longer ranges tho

but like close quarters pistol does same damage, faster firerate, and I believe has faster reload

[neat nest]

It does - there's also "robot mines" which look kind of like lavender claymores and instaprint UESC when triggered

[neat nest]

1 shot headshots on any shields at max charge

[cosmic flame]

yeah you can pop the robot mines after they've jumped up but before they've started the print

there's like a half second window to do it though so be fast on the draw

they will print fairly big beefy boys

[neat nest]

I think the Longshot can't 1 shot purples and maybe blues?

But the longshot is goated

Easy followup shots put the fear in people

[cosmic flame]

cy genuinely put people in hell that game

[neat nest]

Summoned the spirit of Halo 3 split screen at friend's houses

[mossy bridge]

unlocking traxus is such a nightmare compared to every other corp

[cosmic flame]

we're walking in the middle of anomaly, no cover anywhere, just a bunch of 1px wide trees, I spot someone botwalking and then Cy just decapitates three while I run and hide like a little bitch

gnarly performance

[mossy bridge]

mida: smash some windows and kill some guys
nucal: go hack a laptop for us and exfil
arachne: Kill People

[neat nest]

I'm glad they made it easier the october playtest traxus unlock was the hardest shit

1. 4 minutes into a match a UESC lavender commander will spawn into Intersection
2. kill that commander and take his card (there's only 1 on the map so all runners will come for it)
3. Run that shit all the way to Complex in 3 minutes and put it in a random box (all runners still want that fuckin card)

[cinder hare]

oh icic

[cosmic flame]

it was literally the meme pic of the doom slayer

[neat nest]

It's still the hardest

But now there's like 3 commanders and you don't need to run the whole map

[cosmic flame]

honestly the hardest part of the traxus stuff now is just finding the fuck-ass laptop first

[cinder hare]

crazy good run

[cosmic flame]

THE CUBE

[cinder hare]

i think i lost some stuff but came out with 5x more

[cosmic flame]

\O/

THE CUBE

[neat nest]

oh shit a CUBE

[cosmic flame]

yeah I yoinked one of those last night

it's so swaggy

[sand sluice]

somebody died for this?!

mf

I tried to let them live

I walked out into the open with my knife out just swinging the air looking dead at them

they shoot and me so I'm like "bruh the extract is right here, WHY"

truth be told I could have just not killed him after I downed him

[cinder hare]

idk where i got this from

[sand sluice]

dire marsh or a lockdown zone/room

or you got it off someone who got it from one of those spots

[cinder hare]

hoh

like no it just appeared in my inventory

[sand sluice]

oh then prob a level up/contract reward

[cinder hare]

800 light rounds tho...

yummy...'

[cosmic flame]

800 light rounds will feed your overrun ar for approximately 1 (one) runner kill

[neat nest]

hahaha

It can do em in 1 mag if you can control it (i can't)

[cinder hare]

lmao

[cosmic flame]

i lowcalorically have an extremely love hate relationship with that gun

[cinder hare]

favorite gun

[neat nest]

I love the partial reload

[cinder hare]

i hate you for this

[neat nest]

Where it tosses the weird box mag out and your catch it

[cosmic flame]

gotta be the bully for me rn

[neat nest]

I can't lie after that run it's the Longshot

[cosmic flame]

I got a team wipe with it at an extremely inappropriate range that one run

I was legit squinting at my monitor like an old man trying to read the paper but it did work

[mossy bridge]

threw all my equipment in the shitter trying to unlock traxus because losers love camping intersection

great

guess im using the mida kit

and dying to a commander

[neat nest]

I found the spot for it at Complex

I think it's less trafficked

Since it's SUPER far to the east

[sand sluice]

mida sponser kit is better for cqc to me but might just be me tbf

[mossy bridge]

i've only found it in bio research and intersection

never complex

[neat nest]

It's at all 3 I think

[mossy bridge]

it is

i've just never found it

[neat nest]

MIDA sponsor is one of best sponsor kits I think

[mossy bridge]

i like the traxus one

[cosmic flame]

it comes with the bully

[mossy bridge]

rifle good

[cosmic flame]

so it immediately is good

[mossy bridge]

cyac one is bad

[split apex]

MIDA gives you a gun worth 1k

That's good

[cosmic flame]

yeah giving you the overrun and then one stack of light ammo is a joke that writes itself

on the plus side you will learn to knife so many robots

you will knife robots in ways you didn't know you could

[neat nest]

The complex commander is here or here I forget which

[cinder hare]

but arachne and the WSTR

[cosmic flame]

most of my interactions in this game thus far are pve so i like traxus and mida for a reasonable balance of both

[cinder hare]

also im stacked enough that every run can straight up just be a 3k+ loadout and id do fine

[cosmic flame]

precision weapons in this game are actually quite good for pve despite their poor ergonomics iff you can crit reliably

[neat nest]

https://youtu.be/Ii7KWBOy9cs
They released that fuckin remix!

[cosmic flame]

traxus scout has a fast enough fire rate that you can panic fire it too

[neat nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-chipi-chapa-bop-gif-18055573352689823043

[cosmic flame]

YEAAAAAAHHH

[mossy bridge]

+=/*

*/-

[cinder hare]

also i really want a misrah

[cosmic flame]

is that the pump

pump shottie is a really solid two-tapper

[cinder hare]

yeah think so

[neat nest]

also reaches out pretty well

[cosmic flame]

yeah that's its usecase

[neat nest]

(edited with a much better quality version)

[cosmic flame]

the charge shottie is a corner peek merchant but it can hit people even further out

[sand sluice]

it would appear I do not know where dcon is

hmm

[neat nest]

They moved em around idk where they are now

[cinder hare]

i have at least 5 runs worth of gear

[cosmic flame]

im CODE RACING

[cinder hare]

Did the devs say anything about a trading system

[neat nest]

I haven't

I suspect that they won't but idk

[twin rain]

like between players? don't think so

there's accidental pickup protection if you drop something. There's parameters to it that I don't have figured out. Might be something to do with time, types of items, or the amount of stuff on the ground. They'll be marked as "borrowed" and will be returned to the player upon exfil.

[neat nest]

I think it's stuff that you brought in

Lol Bearki is trying to extort Joe Ziegler into telling her information about how to do Lockdowns

[sand sluice]

sometimes you make good money

[twin rain]

twenty t h o u s a n d smackerels

[neat nest]

damb

[sand sluice]

I killed the wraith warden solo

[neat nest]

Is there a technique to it?

[sand sluice]

some of it is raw luck cause like, you gotta not get 3rd partied when you're OS hacked

Idk if you can avoid it but it feels like a thing he'll just do at one point

but generally you want to take in 2 guns, take enough ammo for the fight, kill the adds first without alerting him (not too bad as long as he isn't looking your way

and then fighting him is relatively straight forward, first phase is just standard shooting with taking as little damagr as possible, 2nd phase is when he does his clones, in that phase insofar I think you just gotta drop the clones so they go away

once he OS hacks you as long as you didn't let adds overwhelm you and you cleared them it's back to 1v1 and he'll just die eventually

of course with os hack means no abilities

so either take in an OS hack cleanse or just don't panic and keep in mind how much he's been hitting you

IMO best is to like, engage from medium/longer distance rather than close quarters, I suspect he's more dangerous melee

and of course with all this you can def just get 3rd partied

[neat nest]

makes sense

[sand sluice]

I only did it cause I goofed on the traxus contract and didn't know how to find dcons

[twin rain]

yeah he's got an smg and he'll only use the hack at mid-close range

[sand sluice]

and saw him on the map and was like "well he's close by sooooo"

[twin rain]

anyone done the scorch warden?

[sand sluice]

he also dropped this

[neat nest]

that's gonna go crazy when we can do marton ship

[twin rain]

yeah, huge drop

tho it is funny to get drops for unavailable stuff

[ivory laurel]

There is a modding screen in Marathon, found it last night. It lets you go thru each slot and it shows what you have that can go in it

[twin rain]

(like getting Thief cores)

[sand sluice]

oshit, is that available mid-raid?

if so I need to know what button

[neat nest]

Wait what?

[ivory laurel]

Unsure if it's available mid raid.

[neat nest]

That sounds so good

[twin rain]

from the vault, you can press V to Inspect a weapon and assign mods

but that's while hovering over a weapon in the inventory

not tried it in the field

I usually just drag n drop

[neat nest]

aha thanks

[ivory laurel]

Would have posted images and keys if I was at home but am "sadly" at a spa resort instead

[cosmic flame]

the relaxerrrrr

[neat nest]

Bearki's builds are so funny

877 rounds

[cosmic flame]

this is the method

[indigo oriole]

might be enough

[twin rain]

289 trigger pulls

noones getting out alive

[neat nest]

Whoa lore hint from Ziegler

The UESC are stay behinds from a long time ago

Not a competing modern force

[cosmic flame]

like the uesc on-planet, or the uesc in general

[neat nest]

the robots on the planet

[sand sluice]

Traxus lore hints some weird shit went down

[cosmic flame]

gotcha

[neat nest]

yeah really weird shit

[cosmic flame]

I feel like it's a little weird they haven't like

mass FTL'd in more shit

[sand sluice]

And it doesn't make much sense why everything is on a decline for such a "perfect" planet

[neat nest]

I think it's just old style self-printing robots?

With more modern commanders idk

[cosmic flame]

because runners can clearly get the good stuff in and off the planet

[neat nest]

The 2023 lore arg has a bunch of ships racing to the planet after the signal is received

With the UESC going in first and the corps all launching their own racing expeditions

[sand sluice]

Ye

It feels like UESC is def pulling some coverups

And the corps are like, "free real estate, mhm yes"

[neat nest]

holding the shovel

[cosmic flame]

we're a government in a scifi game, of course we cover things up

[sand sluice]

I still have yet to run into bingus yet

[split apex]

I figure the UESC is using more modern Commander shells as command/control units for the old tech

[neat nest]

That seems plausible

[sharp plover]

the corps are basically going "the UESC doesnt have enough troops here to actually stop us on-site and isn't going to actually enforce anything back in Sol, therefore its all fair game"

[cosmic flame]

"so we did a cost-benefit analysis and our conclusion was that breaking the laws of physics is probably pretty stonks"

[sharp plover]

i mean, FTL comms and matter transmission are already well established tech, breaking physics is old hat

[twin rain]

but breaking it in new ways...

[sharp plover]

i still wish they did the OG Marathon screen-squish teleport effect

[cosmic flame]

like the crt power down move

yeah that shit was so sweet

[cosmic flame]

the TIME CUBE is pretty new

We Stole an Oracle from VOG (Please Don't Shoot It and Wipe Us On Our Flawless Attempt)

[sharp plover]

actually maybe the extract teleporter uses newer tech and the ship itself could have the old style as a map thing, thatd be interesting

[cosmic flame]

the first time we hear the riff from power of seven with non-midi instrumentation I'm going to escape from my body as a skeleton

[twin rain]

there's mention of a few new AIs (that is, not mentioned in the original games iirc), so I'm excited to see what happened to them

[sharp plover]

I've twice been conquered-

the only AIs mentioned in the originals are the Marathon triumvirate (Dunrandal, Leela and Tycho), the Jjaro AI Thoth and the OG rampant AI Traxus IV

(presumably built by the company of the same name back in the day but the company is new)

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Public_Access_Terminal_42-s

[cosmic flame]

naming my energy company Chernobyl Three-Mile Incorporated

[sharp plover]

i mean, T4 was probably their fourth AI or one of a set or something

[cosmic flame]

more likely

[twin rain]

yeah there's Darius, the colony AI fleshed out in the Nu Caloric contract line (not the corpo rep AI, might be getting their names mixed up), and there's a reference to a Bastion AI working alongside Tycho in analyzing TC IV for environmental validity in a text piece, suggesting they may have been aboard the Marathon or at least been involved in the original selection process.

[sharp plover]

actually, the real reference we have to keep an eye out for is waves

the waves

though i wonder how much Bungie will actually use all that again given how important it is in Destiny

[frail mist]

what are waves?

[cinder hare]

I’m scared ngl

[sharp plover]

In primordial space, timeless creatures made waves. These waves created us and the others. Waves were the battles, and the battles were waves.

[twin rain]

`` He escaped into the waves.

The waves. ``

[neat nest]

I think Tracy’s founded the company

[neat nest]

Good news

There’s a Durandal signal interrupt which briefly mentions them

[sharp plover]

oh also, Bastion is apparently one of the colony's AIs https://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/Arhur_Colony_AI_26Feb26.png

[wintry shuttle]

Man

Considering all the paracasual weirdness.

[twin rain]

hey there we go! I haven't seen that one yet

[sharp plover]

Arthur, Lilith, Bastion, Gabriel, Icarus, Darius, Naraah, Joy

[wintry shuttle]

Would it be funny, if for a Halloween event, they decided to unleash a Hive incursion on the maps.

[neat nest]

That would be funny

[sand sluice]

yus plz

[cinder hare]

not bad at all

came in, came out with more healing than i went in with somehow

[neat nest]

Huh, some good stuff here

I didn't know a few of these

[split apex]

Oh I didn't know that about crouching

[woeful tundra]

You've heard of the slav squat

Get ready for the scav squat

[neat nest]

I didn't know about ammo on the edges

[indigo oriole]

seems like loot inside, ammo/heals outside

i dig it

[split apex]

That makes a lot of sense

wow it is NOTICEABLY faster

like 1.5x or more

[neat nest]

oh good to know

it takes so long to cool my Vandal if I overheat (often, I like to double jump)

[wraith vector]

Destroyer is a heatmagnet, it's so tempting to airdash

People never expect someone to just explode into the window

[cosmic flame]

THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A DIFFICULTY SPIKE

[neat nest]

average Marathon play session

[vagrant carbon]

Accurate

[wraith vector]

I need to stop looting for so long

[neat nest]

God same

[wraith vector]

Always getting caught by extra squads

But there could be touys

[neat nest]

The number of times I just aimlessly wander around finding junk until something Bad happens to me

[wraith vector]

+85 loot speed helps

[vagrant carbon]

All looters quit just before finding some super valuable loot

[cinder hare]

God it sucks so bad when you get fucked over by everything going wrong

Then you have the all blue extract

[final onyx]

i just grab shit until i finish my contract and/or my inventory is short on space

[neat nest]

Getting late but anyone up for a couple runs?

[wintry shuttle]

Played a couple rounds of Rook.

Is Rook just Scav mode?

Because I've been getting dropped at the fifteen to ten minute mark.

[cosmic flame]

think so

[tawdry sequoia]

yeah rook specifically has 'scavenger' as it's designated role, you can't take gear, you can't do missions, you get dropped into matches mid progress, and you have stealth that specifcally bypasses NPCs so you can slither into higher patrolled areas without having to shoot your way in

[neat nest]

fucking claymores augh

[split apex]

Claymores are nuts

[neat nest]

Almost ended my otherwise very good zero to hero solo run with one lmao

Solos is so different from squads

Makes shit terrifying

Maintainance is also still the PVP enabled zone there haha

I just stopped going there to try to get rods

[cinder hare]

is it just me or is dire marsh like 10x more pvp

[neat nest]

it is

[twin rain]

it's crazy how much more deadly it is

[neat nest]

has more players and it's more open so you can run into more people

[cinder hare]

it honestly makes me not wanna dire

[neat nest]

Perimeter is kinda POIs with corridors between them so it's pretty easy to avoid PVP there

[split apex]

Dire Marsh has an extra team with far less LoS breaks between locations

[twin rain]

the open sightlines/map make it much easier to get where you need to go (and fight)

[neat nest]

Oh my god

[twin rain]

Bootleg Sleeper Simulant

[cinder hare]

why are u so lucky

also its kinda sad how knifing only becomes a viable playstyle at arachne 22

where your melee deals like 65 dmg instead

[sand sluice]

knife is a viable playstyle

you just have to be melee

[neat nest]

It’s not mine

I just fear the circuit breaker’s power

[cinder hare]

oh

[snow sail]

puts on Sajam face mask

alrighty then chat

[sand sluice]

I still don't see the TDACs giving player info

[snow sail]

will izen exfil

[sand sluice]

it just pings everything and doesn't differentiate which sucks

but then again maybe that's how it should be

[cinder hare]

yeah its why you watch for abnormal movement patterns and try to move differently when you notice a recon

pretend to be UESC if you havent been caught yet

even funnier if you use a voice changer to pretend to be a wraith

UESC tends to just float around, players will run around a lot

silly idea for rook: cores that let rook become even more UESC

[sand sluice]

it's stationary pings tho

so you can move freely

[cinder hare]

right i forgot

but like, same principle, pings that are close are more likely UESC

[sand sluice]

I can't get nucal past 9

it stopped at 400/400 xp

[split apex]

its capped at rank 9 for the slam

[cinder hare]

also just something interesting / of note

the average players is about 70k~

[sand sluice]

I really wish the sound was better

I can't tell if it's my own footsteps or not half the time

they really need to remove the notification that someone is fighting wraith warden lol

[cinder hare]

decided to do a little solo assassin run

went from sponsored kit to holy shit

this was like, 5 minutes in too

[sand sluice]

I also did a sponsered kit run

I killed Wraith Warden again, but he didn't drop his helmet this time

[cinder hare]

i swear sponsored kits are a 50/50 between the best run ever or the worst run ever

[sand sluice]

well it's true

you either have the best run (you get all the loot), or the worst run (you die and become the loot)

[cinder hare]

worst in the sense of "you died to a random uesc appearing behind you and dealing 2 trillion damage instantly"

wait whats the helmet anyways?

[sand sluice]

@neat nest
Figured out the best way to kill wraith warden, you want set yourself next to this rock (on the otherside, I took a screenshot as I was running to exfil)

and try to aggro him

If you aggro him he does one of two things

1. runs around the center between the three buildings
2. stealths and tries to run up to you for os hack/melee

If you aggro him at this rock, when he goes stealth, you need to bait him to get out in the open a bit and try to hit him with like a grenade (I used 3 emp grenades) then put bullets into him as he runs back for cover between the 3 buildings.

If you do this while managing the other adds that might aggro onto you he's doable, main thing is having ammo and meds incase you get hurt (also having an os cleanse for emergency)

and of course there's always luck

[sand sluice]

Helmet is dis

I got it the first time I killed him solo

[cinder hare]

oh icic

[sand sluice]

still gotta do quite a few runs before I hit lvl 30

I've actually killed the wraith warden solo 3 times

but

the 2nd time the moment I killed him I died to the like, most accurate grenadier commander throwing a grenade that would make the gods weep

[cinder hare]

also something ive noticed is everyone i met in marathon chat tends to be kinda silly or nice in general

except one team that was racist as hell

i muted them, team got wiped soon after

i need thief in my blood tbh, the loot goblin inside me BEGS for more looting

[cosmic flame]

martooooon

[sand sluice]

Rook is the true loot goblin

[cinder hare]

Solo sponsored kit thief tho

Solo assassin ain’t shit either

[sand sluice]

There is indeed a mod for having full backpack as theif

Assassin doesnt have that cause assassin isnt thief

But rook can be like a mini thef

[fallow coyote]

Enemy runner did the dumbest thing i've ever seen

[cinder hare]

i wish i could meet even ONE friendly

[fallow coyote]

they followed me and my teammates into a tunnel with double doors

[strange wren]

Bold if true.

[fallow coyote]

i placed a claymore behind the first, then closed it, then closed the second

and me and my team wait aiming at the second door

they open the first door

blow up the claymore

and then open the second door in full view of 3 enemies after having eaten a claymore

[strange wren]

Disengaging is a learned skill

Even when it should be obvious ;p.

[cinder hare]

bruhhhhh

ngl solo lobbies are a lot more fun cuz it means positioning wins more often than not

since you cant get triple-beamed, and since you dont have to worry about teammates or trades as much

[neat nest]

Interesting

Seems pretty doable

I was wondering how solos would do that boss but that doesn’t seem bad

[neat nest]

Solo is growing on me, I didn’t initially like it as much since there’s so safety net and you can’t sweep as well

But it’s so tense and atmospheric and has a ton of its own moment to moment choices

[wraith vector]

They gotta nerf toxin damage, like.. it shouldn't make you eat every heal you have unless you have the Mech Kit

[neat nest]

Yeah 2 minutes is rough

Thankfully mech kits and exhausted mech kits aren't rare

[neat nest]

most accurate graffiti

[wintry shuttle]

got level ten finally

can not wait for all that Server slam gear to show up on March 5th.

Also, my crashouts on losing have gone down by treating the game as a roguelike.

[neat nest]

Honestly same

If I get into a hoarder mentality my vault just fills up and then I have to use shit anyway haha

Esp as I get better at finding loot

[indigo oriole]

is it not just a roguelike as is? i thought that was part of the big appeal of extrac stuff

or i guess reworded whats the other way to view the game

[neat nest]

It's easy to have a lot of fear around losing your gear from a bad run

Esp if you get something rare and good

[twin rain]

it basically is, but I think it's more of a mentality thing, rather than gradual progression of a typical shooter where setbacks are more minor

[indigo oriole]

ah, i can see that

luckily i cant tell good gear from bad so im safe

[neat nest]

Once I cottoned on to how it's not as random where stuff is as I thought I started having a better time

I just need to find a reliable source of backpacks

But realizing that NuCal trades loot for heals cheaply was a breakthrough

Same with Traxxus and ammo

And learning the arms locker spawns

[indigo oriole]

oh whats this about arms locker spawns

[twin rain]

Hauler has a bunch usually

[neat nest]

There's always 2 arms lockers at Hauler on Perimeter and Bioresearch on Dire Marsh

More can spawn other places but those seem to be guaranteed

[twin rain]

I'm glad it's not like, the same exact spot every time, at least

[neat nest]

Arms lockers also always have the rods traxus wants in them which makes that contract to get them a lot easier

Since otherwise you have to brave the Maintainance Shitstorm for them lol

There's also some stuff like meds and ammo being more common near the map edges and valuables more common near the center

[twin rain]

it is unfortunate that that doesn't appear to apply to where/near you spawn in

[neat nest]

And a lot of the good loot seems to come from profit opportunities and later spawns, so not a race to the best POIs like I'm used to it's a matter of sticking it out for the best later spawns

EG there's crazy loot in Lockdowns

But lockdowns are hard

[indigo oriole]

i do dig that because theres soft incentive to avoid picking fights early on when possible

[wintry shuttle]

Unless you're doing Archane contracts

Then you want to start picking fights

Or MIDA, like last run had me shooting USEC bots and breaking windows.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

why the windows I don't know

[neat nest]

I love the red stain of Arachne XP I love picking fights

[twin rain]

MIDA is about being loud and breaking shit. property damage

[sharp plover]

they gotta lower the property values somehow

[indigo oriole]

oh for sure, but even doing Arachne you wanna pick your fights well

shooting at any joe blow you see is just gunna get ya blown the fuck up

[neat nest]

My rent-reducing MIDA contract

[wintry shuttle]

It's okay.

They're sponsored load-outs anyway.

Oh my god, I hope that RvB moment about the rental pops up more.

[neat nest]

The problem with shooting at everything with a sponsor kit is just running dry haha

[wintry shuttle]

True

[wintry shuttle]

"God dam it! Stop losing kits in Perimeter!"

"Eh, fuck it, it's a sponsor kit."

"Good point, fuck it."

[twin rain]

true

[frail mist]

So, any new arachne lore?

[neat nest]

Yeah there's more info in their codex and such now

loading into matches with rook upgrades

[unkempt pollen]

Apparently Durandal has started talking to folks.

[cinder hare]

Thinking about ttk stuff again

Once more, positioning is king, you can easily win against a player with purple and blues as a free kit solo if you out position them

(I was invis and hiding in a corner recession when said assassin tried to get me, dint see me and I got the jump and shredded them)

They defo would’ve won if the had played positioning better cuz better gear, but Rush down = big loss

[neat nest]

TTK was a little longer when I played in Oct and while I think the lower TTK helps a lot of weaker weapons (you can actually get 1 mag kills with a grey Overrun now lol) it also makes the 3v3s feel less team oriented since it’s much easier to get random picks and set them far on the back foot

Not sure which I prefer since I do like the decisiveness and yet-boosted importance of positional control

[cinder hare]

I’m tempted to say that maybe reinforced shields are an answer

[neat nest]

That’s basically how it was is Oct

You had slightly less meat health but shields were idk about 20% stronger?

[cinder hare]

Hmmm

The main problem I think people have is getting caught off guard

And having more reinforced shield options so you can heal faster and play faster would probably benefit the game

Less wide open spaces would feel better

But also, it’s a wide open space, deal with it

(Give tall grasses)

[cosmic flame]

wide open spaces are fine because scouts actually need some room to be useful given the tightness of many cqc areas

[neat nest]

I do think sniper thermals and wide open spaces are kind of oppressive

I like someone on Reddit’s idea of having thermal “brightness” scale with your heat gauge

So shells running cold don’t really show up but if you’re sprinting everywhere you’re easy to see with them

[cosmic flame]

if sniper thermals were rarer itd also prooooobably be fine

[wintry shuttle]

I got a cube

[cosmic flame]

THE TIMECUBE

[wintry shuttle]

I don't know what that cube was but I think the machine for it broke.

[cosmic flame]

\o/

[wintry shuttle]

\o/

[vagrant carbon]

Is the slam still going?

[twin rain]

yeah, will go for about another 20hrs

[wintry shuttle]

Yep

Also, I had an encounter with Bingus

[cosmic flame]

NO WAY

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah, he was standing on top of the containers by Hauler.

Wish there was pet emote action

[twin rain]

I heard some meowing on dire marsh, but nearby runners got my attention elsewhere

[sand sluice]

my usual deaths are due to sound propagation being unclear with footsteps + you have delays when you're looting

it's extremely easy to catch people off guard but unless they're super wide out in the open, in cqc, or stuck in some sorta animation they can just run and get away

Well that's not true

I also die a lot to uesc aggroing me instead of the other player

[sand sluice]

Blue/purple enemies is the most consistent way I've gotten backpacks outside of buying them from the store or other players

[neat nest]

Same

I’m not sure if there’s a better way or if they’re just hard

At least they’re not super expensive

[sand sluice]

Meds are more expensive

[neat nest]

Meds are cheap to barter for though

And NuCal gives em out

[sand sluice]

Ye, just gotta make sure to get the right barter

Also I'm a bit curious if the free sponsored kit is always going to be free

[neat nest]

I think they’re being more generous for the slam

In Oct it was like

1 free one a day (rotates) and a second or third (I forget) if your vault value dropped below $500

[wraith vector]

Folks keep saying they need to balance around solo like Rook doesn't exist

[cosmic flame]

the cyberacme one is so bad it's kind of worth worse than 0

[sand sluice]

what do they mean balance around solo

[sand sluice]

IMO the cyac one > traxus one

well, I guess if you're playing on dire marsh the traxus one is better

but idk if they buff the hardline pr it can be worth but at this point I'd rather just have the tac pistol

[wraith vector]

Like in terms of UESC I guess? Or drops? Idk, just more Game is Hard

[sand sluice]

game is actually easier to me as solo.

Less loot to share, less likely to get instantly downed by 3 people hiding around a corner, more controllable enemies with aggro

but also like

yeah just play rook and scavenge for more gear

[cinder hare]

SoloQ = solo lobby usually

[vagrant carbon]

Have I been really unlucky with group fills, or do people really just love to rush in and get themselves wiped?

[sand sluice]

you can get good stuff as rook

[cinder hare]

Which means a good lot of easier fights if you know your fundies

Like if you’re a rushdown aimgame person it’s a bad day if you’re against a good positioning player

[sand sluice]

everyone is new and ttk is really low, if you're talking pubs trios, the group that wins rn is more often than not the group that can get a better start on the engagement

[sand sluice]

p much, if you're a decent overwatch or apex player you're gonna get torn apart in marathon if you try to do the same things

[cinder hare]

I used to play the finals

Total fucking aim game

Played the sword though, which turned it into a positioning game

[sand sluice]

I only played finals during the beta or w/e and then never really played it again for all the different reasons

[cinder hare]

Anyways

[sand sluice]

hilariously enough battlefield is actually the game that's giving me the most easy skill pull

only exception is like

[cinder hare]

I think it’d be interesting to see green shields as the default

[wraith vector]

Feels more survivable being Shot Once in this than Arc Raiders

[cinder hare]

Rook now has a backpack and green shields as a default

Which makes em super interesting actually

[sand sluice]

I think like certain guns are just hilariously worse versions of what I would say their bf counterpart is

but tbf that's like, expected given marathon is an extraction shooter with loot tiers existing

that or if you only played bf as a movement spam game which like, yeah

[swift sluice]

Green shield seems like a necessity to be more than a moving target with Marathon's TTK.

[wraith vector]

Milsim games have nothing on the stately and respectable Battle Rifle

[cinder hare]

Yeah personally for me I’m in the vibe of “green as default”

Blue is the new green

And so on

[mossy bridge]

yeah

white shield is basically only useful for uesc

[neat nest]

I can see that I can usually get away if it's just incidental fire

[sand sluice]

I'd have to see if this gives green shields since shields are technically an implant

but also like

I think shields should stay white by default

[neat nest]

I agree

Esp with green shields not being that hard to get

[sand sluice]

you can already 0-100 someone with your melee against a green if they're melee distance

and I haven't seen like

purple or gold shields yet

my big critique insofar as balancing would be doing something for some of the abilities to make them more worth in solo

like Destroyer's riot barricade is so specific situational that I can really only thing it's good to make people have to reload but fights start so quickly you'd have to really be on the trigger pull for it

[wraith vector]

I think they could shave some cooldowns off

[mossy bridge]

let destroyer use a handgun with his shield

[wraith vector]

Or faster shield startup maybe

[mossy bridge]

that too

can team mates shoot through it?

[wraith vector]

I don't think so

Super Sprint and air dash are fucking great though

[mossy bridge]

yeah

love the air dash

[sand sluice]

for trios I think it's fine cause you can use it for a res or w/e, maybe some adjustment but it def has it's uses in trios

[mossy bridge]

feels like it's missing something though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlmswau6--I

:)

[sand sluice]

they could maybe expand the range of the shield so it makes it easier to block damage but again, Idk

[mossy bridge]

yeah

[wraith vector]

I was surprised it doesn't slow turn rate or anything

[mossy bridge]

can you use the charge with the shield?

maybe a shield bash could be funny

[twin rain]

you can tac sprint with the shield

[mossy bridge]

oh

[vagrant carbon]

I had a run where I got downed by an enemy runner, but luckily was behind a nice long wall next to my buddy who can easily revive me

Buddy proceeds to run all the way around to the other side of the covering to go guns blazing. Gets downed. I get stabbed by a Triage.

[cosmic flame]

🗿

[sand sluice]

honestly if you want to play with randoms my advice is to put yourself first if you want more capacity to control fights

you have no idea if a random is good or not, you should have a decent understanding on your own capacity to do things

[sand sluice]

Rook does spawn with green shields once you get the milestones

[indigo oriole]

my randoms strat is that IM the triage, I will throw my healbot and you WILL stay up and shoot people for me

[twin rain]

note on DCON objectives: they're marked on the map when you need to take something there

there was multiple on Perimeter

[neat nest]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sun-discord-meme-thinking-emoji-gif-13714325

[mossy bridge]

what's that thing on the right

is that the automap of a marathon level?

[cosmic flame]

yeah

[mossy bridge]

oh man

Oh Man

[neat nest]

When viewing the level Never Burn Money in a map editor, text can be read that says "JJARO WERE AT TAU CETI," possibly even at the battle fought by the Cyborg in Marathon.

[sand sluice]

it actually didn't mark them for me and I assumed they just had random spawn chance

and then I was by a place and saw it when it wasn't marked and was like "welp that would have been good to know"

[wintry shuttle]

I got the LMG

it go brrrrr

[sonic idol]

that seems like such a no-brainer mechanic

[neat nest]

I kinda hope they add it it's both cool and I think addresses one of the bigger balance pain points rn

[wintry shuttle]

My wishlist: Shell customization (besides skins) and weapon variants (ex. burst fired CE tac pistol)

[sonic idol]

They only show up on the map for me once I have the required amount of resources to DCON

plants were a common one where this was the case but I haven't tested it with some of the other DCON missions yet

[twin rain]

yeah, that's right

once you have the thing(s)

[wintry shuttle]

So, the Pfhor are going to be here.

But are they going to show as enemy spawns, POI spawns, or special event spawns (ex. Pfhor controlled map of a regular map).

[sonic idol]

IIRC we'll be seeing them on the Marathon itself as high-level enemies?

[wintry shuttle]

ohhhhhh

[neat nest]

Rumor has it there are S'pht on the Marathon before Vault 7

[wintry shuttle]

Noice

Also, question.

Is the voice actress for Recon the same actress for Ventress???

Like she almost sounds like her.

[neat nest]

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0296546/?ref_=ttfc_fcr_3_9

IMDB says yes

[wintry shuttle]

Oh my god!

[twin rain]

there are indeed a lot of high-profile names for the VAs

[neat nest]

Good catch haha

[sonic idol]

If people really want to ever draw a "lol Marathon dunks on Arc Raiders" comparison, they could 100% compare voice cast pedigree

[wintry shuttle]

Yeah

but Marathon and Raiders are going "play what you play."

[sonic idol]

Elias Toufexis doing voice direction and voicing Assassin is absolute candy for my ears

[wintry shuttle]

oh my god

I just smoked a USEC commander with the brrt

it's so good

[sonic idol]

I have strong positive memories associated with DEHR and this rings Pavlov's Bell in all the right ways

[sonic idol]

BRRT indeed

[neat nest]

except for the ammo burn rate the brrt is fuckin goated

[cinder hare]

Marathon wins by a nuclear powered landslide lmao

[final onyx]

skilled talent adding so much characterization you can properly listen between the lines
vs
chatgpt

[sonic idol]

TO BE CLEAR I AM NOT SHITTING ON THE VOICE TALENT BEHIND ARC RAIDERS. The delivery that is clearly actually recorded dialogue is pretty damn good.

But IIRC they were more local talent and you're comparing it to quite literally The Best In The Business. When it comes to audio in general, Bungie pulled zero punches.

[sharp plover]

oh also, have we gotten confirmation of who's voicing Durandal?

[sonic idol]

Ben Starr

[sharp plover]

okay yeah id seen something suggest that but wasnt sure if that was actually true or not

[sonic idol]

He's credited as the "narrator" in the announcement short, and I can't find my source atm but I'm pretty confident it was confirmed that the narrator is Durandal

[sharp plover]

even if it wasn't literally Durandal in the trailer, he's also credited for the game itself, so i can't imagine he'll be doing a different voice and thats a Durandal ass voice

[cinder hare]

I thought they used AI voices

[indigo oriole]

they had real VAs record the work and then use AI to generate additional lines/voices from that work

[twin rain]

it's a mix of real people and the AI trained on their voices

[indigo oriole]

so the real VA might have recorded "Hey, (item) here," and the AI replaces the item with its actual item name since thats one of the reasons they went w the AI work

[twin rain]

so they've got a callout for pinging literally every item and location in the game

[cinder hare]

icic

[indigo oriole]

it was one of the things i thought was impressive when i first played it but led to my refund once i learned the truth

i was like oh damn they recorded a LOT of lines

[twin rain]

yeahhhh

[cinder hare]

But yeah that’s why I say marathon wins lmao

It’s because of the AI

[neat nest]

Sort of ironic that Marathon has so many AI characters with human voices

[sonic idol]

yeah the irony was definitely not lost on me lol

[neat nest]

damn dude chill

[indigo oriole]

bro said I'm Ready!!!! 🗣️

[wintry shuttle]

That's a no lifer right there

[twin rain]

I was queueing with someone today with a 14k loadout on the regular. We were winning tho so I was not complaining

[cinder hare]

29.8k is cuz of the enduring

[neat nest]

yeah jfc

[cinder hare]

its like, what

500~ per run?

[twin rain]

it depends on the item

(I had a white implant with enduring that got maybe 50cr after the run)

wouldn't be surprised if it was tied to rarity or was a % increase

[cinder hare]

yeah i think its % or rarity

also this fuck is cracked asf at the game, aside from being a no-life bozo lmao

imma try a solo extractcamp run

[neat nest]

Last night of <@&1474420814979010821> before the slam ends anyone wanna do a couple runs this evening?

[twin rain]

yeah for sure. I'll need about 20m before I can

[cosmic flame]

im down at around the same timing

[cinder hare]

Same

[neat nest]

ok sounds good

[sharp plover]

yeah ive got time

also i should probably get the role

[neat nest]

added!

[sharp plover]

i played some the first day and a little now but only like two hours total

[neat nest]

I'm in channel and it sounds like we might have 2 squads worth

[distant zinc]

i’m game

i got 7 levels to go

[indigo oriole]

i hope yall all load into the same map it'd be so funny

[neat nest]

lmao that would

[sand sluice]

is

is there a mod that converts automatics to singlefire?

[neat nest]

I do not know

[sand sluice]

huh?

why doesn't it sell for anything

[neat nest]

huh weird

might be a bug?

I hope it's not

[cinder hare]

Probably a bug

[neat nest]

By Geezaws on Twitter

[sand sluice]

oh wait

I think it sells for like 2.2k or something

[neat nest]

Oh that's... lower than I expected but not bad

Man the corps are fucking us on item sales lol

[cinder hare]

Yeah it should be worth like 5-6k at least

[neat nest]

"yeah this remakes physics go by 1 (one) nice gun runner"

[sand sluice]

usec helmet still being best item for 12k

[cinder hare]

imo for this kinda thing that’s visible to everyone it should be worth like 25k lmao

[neat nest]

I have a suspicion it'll have metaprog uses outside of credits tbh

[cinder hare]

Though, yeah

[split apex]

It absolutely will with how big of a deal it is

[cinder hare]

i really wanna see what cryo archive is gonna be like

what if it's how you get VIP ranks?

it feels very VIP ranky

[cosmic flame]

thermals

are

something

on a sniper

the longshot is kinda the truth

[sharp plover]

Deep Stone Crypt 2.0

[cinder hare]

longshot + thermals = heaven

i like how marathon has a kinda "once you ballin you keep rollin" kinda vibe

like

when i was gray, every green was valuable

then you hit green and its always green

then blue and its always blue

and so on

you keep climbing and making money and winning fights

[cosmic flame]

had an actual sniper duel and just absolutely thermal diffed the shit out of them

[cinder hare]

and because you have better gear relative to the area, you just keep making money, enough to offset the costs of runs

[cosmic flame]

doing it on locus feels faintly blasphemous given how unga the frame is but it's soooo soooo goooood

[cinder hare]

and free sponsored kits are a fucking godsend for having fun with 0 risk

... locus?

[wintry shuttle]

I have a blue shield

And I lost it

I miss you three shield bar!

https://tenor.com/view/skystarlights-lilo-and-stitch-stitch-sad-stitch-gif-14197398803204148064

[neat nest]

AKA Destroyer (Locus is the series name)

I want them to turn purple sharing back on ngl

I like the sense of collective action you get

Where there’s a feeling of “if this person makes it we all make it”

[cinder hare]

Ahhhh yeah

Also yeah purple sharing 10000%

Purples feel right like that

I’m tempted to say friendly fire could be a thing then I realized it would be TERRIBLE

[sand sluice]

purple sharing?

[cinder hare]

purples shared across the team ig

[neat nest]

Yea

In October all the purple salvage and valuables got cloned to everyone on exfil

[sand sluice]

bwuh

killed wraith warden

exfils haven't spawned in yet

7 min run to kill wraith warden not bad

no helmet tho

[cinder hare]

wraith warden kinda easy actually

[neat nest]

Yeah it helps having 2 fuckin Longshots haha

[sand sluice]

why would I use longshots? I have smgs

[cinder hare]

i was running longshot wstr

btw i think for wraithfarming double bully would be a better idea

since youd get better ammo econ overall from it

[neat nest]

Longshot bully for me and I used up almost all my bully ammo

[sand sluice]

separate ammo types for ammo crates incase I run out of ammo (which I did)

also didn't help I spent like 2-3 clips shooting from too far away

[neat nest]

Admittedly I only carried about 100 extras

[cinder hare]

i always bring like 4 stacks minimum

[twin rain]

I found that the HBR Repeater is very ammo efficient (caveat: it's a lever-action that shoots and reloads slowly)

I went through 3 runs with maybe using 1 stack combined?

[cinder hare]

HBR is a very fun gun

i wish MIPS stacked higher though

[twin rain]

me too, but I am glad it doesn't, haha

[neat nest]

Ammo stacks are so small now

I don’t mind it but man it pinches your bag space

[twin rain]

did they shrink it from the beta? I didn't notice

[cinder hare]

yeah i like the idea of runners having an extra bit of chest rigging

[neat nest]

I used to be able to just run a single stack of ammo heals and shields

[neat nest]

Massively

In April you could pack 480 light ammo to a stack

In October 160

Now it’s 80

[cinder hare]

because a "full" loadout will cost you almost a whole gray pack of space

i feel like 120 would be a good spot ngl

[neat nest]

Lowkey I think 180 was fine but I’ll take any amount

[wraith vector]

480 is crazy but I could see a little bit higher

[twin rain]

idk, I feel like any time I was running out of ammo is because I was fighting too much, not because I couldn't carry enough

[neat nest]

Yeah with huge stacks and tons of field ammo everyone basically had infinite ammo

In April

[cinder hare]

opinion: 256 ammo just to fuck with players

[twin rain]

I like the tension of low stack counts

[wraith vector]

Volt weapons feel a bit immune to ammo scrunch, at least with how I shoot 'em

[cinder hare]

128 actually

[twin rain]

volts are pretty nice in that regard

[cinder hare]

volt trolls cuz each cell is secretly 100 ammo

and UESC loves volt cells

[wintry shuttle]

I brought 580 light ammo rounds

[twin rain]

would like to see some mods that increased their sprint-recharge capability to some extent

[cinder hare]

same

[wintry shuttle]

I brought so much and then lost it

And I lost the LMG!!!

[neat nest]

I think Distance Runner does

[wintry shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-silent-scream-cartoon-scream-fall-to-knees-gif-3133360370518513213

[twin rain]

yeah I think I recall seeing one before but I wasnt a fan of volt weapons then

[neat nest]

Ohhh

I misunderstood

Ammo backpacks significantly increase it for stowed volt weapons

[twin rain]

true!

[sand sluice]

I don't think I like volt weapons against other players

they work well enough for uesc tho

[neat nest]

Their niche kinda isn’t real against runners now

Since shields are weak now

[sand sluice]

wdym? do volt weapons do higher damage against shields?

[neat nest]

Afaik yes

[sand sluice]

oh lol

[neat nest]

Especially the big barrier shields

[cinder hare]

mod idea:

Storm Transmission
Deluxe Volt Cell Mod

Whenever you gain HEAT, recharge a percentage of HEAT gained. Lightning and rain increases the amount gained considerable.

[split apex]

unless you're Triage where you EMP people if you crack shields with volt weapons

[neat nest]

Yeah I really like to pack a volt thrower or volt rifle for that

[split apex]

i've had a weird amount of success with the volt thrower as triage

[wraith vector]

V11 Punch is a trusty friend who does occupy a lot of screen space

[cinder hare]

V11 is a lovely weapon i hate using personally

[neat nest]

The worst thing about that gun lol

The runner shell holding it up to their eyes to sprint

[cosmic flame]

volt weapons are kinda buns against players but the ammo efficiency against uesc is good

[distant zinc]

the scar feels like it can do decent against runners

[cosmic flame]

I will make an exception for the lookout which does slap

I ventilated several people's skulls with that gun, great irons for cqc

good times

[neat nest]

The Scar and Lookout are pretty good

The Volt Thrower just has the slowest bullets in the universe

The Circuit Breaker is also goated as fuck

But super rare

[sharp plover]

okay i managed to reach level 10 after a few rough runs but thats good enough for me

[vagrant carbon]

I don't think I've ever got to use a volt weapon even once. Just ballistics.

[sharp plover]

https://youtu.be/wPyAGQtavZo?si=8Elg7YKQxpPmsoCc

(for those who don't get the important bit, "greywater and post-consumer solids" is ||sewage||)

[neat nest]

The mixture of hardscrabble desperation and idk what to call it

Apathy

Is really really interesting writing as a tone to hit

[sharp plover]

literally just "whatever works"

[distant zinc]

it’s so fun

i’m really enjoying the audio codex entries as well

[sand sluice]

I am maybe not a good person

killed someone who had this, saw someone with white shields trying to extract on first extract

noticed it started so I walked over, they were stealthed trying to get out, only white gear and a green backpack

[cinder hare]

Marathon is mechsploitation

AI in your head who definitely manipulates your memories, calls you a special little runner, and tells you to do jobs for your big corpolords

[cosmic flame]

whoever was talking about filling hauler with claymores on the last run of the slam

I just saw video

[distant zinc]

post that shit please

i need inspiration

[cinder hare]

When marathon goes live I’m gonna get levels and get a green backpack of claymores and bomb all of hauler

[sand sluice]

if they ever add a mechanic for getting something for letting people live after you down them

I'm certainly not letting assassin shells live

those goobers love to creep around and backstab

[cinder hare]

thief is gonna be ever worse.

[sand sluice]

thief I'm thinking more will just set traps

[cinder hare]

and steal all your loot

[cosmic flame]

extremely mentally well voice anyone wanna play some marathon

[sand sluice]

yeah but she can't cloak and be ignored by all UESC breathing on her

[cinder hare]

im going to try to wake at 6am to get a few games in

sadly cant rn

[sharp plover]

Misriah 2442
the Misriah massacre was only in 2345
bro dont go naming your gun after an infamous martial law action where 500 people died only a century later

oh, huh actually while its 2345 in the game, its 2442 in the Lost Network Packets