#Mahvel Rivals baby

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teal mist
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Lmao

runic apex
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Like i said most have two tricks

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I almost never seen any use the pull outside of ledging

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One change i think spiderman needs badly is make his webs go on cooldown after death

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well we know he is 275 now

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maybe has a dash

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I do worry that this seaosn healing might be way too strong

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peni 's webs will now heal

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and widow(with jean teamup) can turn into ana

teal mist
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weird

runic apex
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Also cap and hulk did not need buffs

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cnd also did not need bufs

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I think buffing thing and peni is fine, but maybe not healing webs.

runic apex
soft pollen
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Gambit being a strat is weird but I understand the pressure to feel like you need to add another strat.

runic apex
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hes def not a main healer

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He doesnt actully feel like a healer to me

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Honestly he may be the perfect strat for me

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He feels like the strat version of what i call "the wrench"

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a "the wrench" role is very jack of all trades

mild pine
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Honestly there needs to be more stategists that feel like strategists and not just "healer with a gun"

runic apex
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its more about keeping the wheels turning

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buffs and bebuffs being part of that

teal mist
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The problem is without healing you lose the teamfight generally

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And folks won't pick up the slack of having half a strategist

runic apex
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the thing is about wrench charcters is sometimes they can reduce the need for healing by preventing the need, or healing at the correct moment

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like it shows in the trailer he just basicly cancels some entire ults

soft pollen
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They've kind of put themself in a corner with anchor bonuses being a flat bonus depending on role.

runic apex
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you can hear groot ult then his ult removes the groot ult while also giving a damge boost

teal mist
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I guess

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But that's one moment from a trailer meant to make him look cool

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The more general fighting still needs health

runic apex
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he also cleansed the strange ult too

teal mist
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Ok

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But does the rest of his kit add enough to not get heals as a tank

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and also just.. doesn't feel.. Gambit-y

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Looks great sounds great

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I'm just having feelings as someone that ends up having to tank more often than not

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You can really, really feel when there's a lack

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Doesn't matter if he can sometimes counter a debuff

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But also i'm bad at the game and don't play comp

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Just.. idk, unsure

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Healing is such a complicated issue

runic apex
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a lot of the "off healers" heal just fine

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just not when the person is trying to facetank a punisher turret

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and having al healers just be healbots is boring

soft pollen
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I see it both ways. The game does need variety in terms of strats but also it does feel worse to have an off healers more often than not. Unless they're like hyper sweaty one tricks with the respected character.

teal mist
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I don't want them to be i'm just saying as a tank player it feels like the wheels fall off of the healers try elsewise

runic apex
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I feel like honestly your just kinda asking for a healbot

teal mist
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I'm expressing

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A bad thing

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I don't want this

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But the game feels worse

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If the healers arent healing

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And i hate that it is this way

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Playing tank with randoms is an uphill goddamn battle

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And that makes it worse

runic apex
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tanks are actully super strong right now

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in general

teal mist
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Maybe things changed very recently

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But that's what every other season has been

runic apex
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tanks were pretty much always strong

teal mist
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Ok

runic apex
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the problem was emma just sorta dumpstered them

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once emma got brought down closer to normal other tanks started shining again

teal mist
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Well I'm just expressing how it feels from an ingame perspective, i guess. Sure the coordinated teams and whatnot have good win rates

runic apex
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I mean they are good though and im saying that from personal expience

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its really only angela,thing, and peni id say is in a rough spot

teal mist
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Peni supposedly has the best winrate in the game RN but idk how they track that

runic apex
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and peni is still pretty good in certain maps

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its mainly cause shes only used very very sparringly

teal mist
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Like I'm not asking for a healbot

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I just think it's better if they can heal consistently and do other things

runic apex
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Thats kinda hard to do design wise though

teal mist
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And his seems real.. staggered and odd

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yeahp

runic apex
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that feels like asking for a cake and eat it kinda design im saying

teal mist
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then they should have made the game different /nod

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also several characters manage rn

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Rocket Ultron Mantis

runic apex
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Rocket actully doesnt get to do much outside of healbot hes probally the most healbot charcter

teal mist
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I feel different playing him i guess

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you can shoot about as often as you get to heal

runic apex
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his gun is good in close range yeah

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ultron also doesnt have very good tank healing either

teal mist
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Yeah he's basically when I started getting this feeling about off-healers but he found a spot

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And I partly think it's because how fire-and-forget it is, i guess

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Well, no, the feeling arose in the early days of 'I'm DPS Jeff'

runic apex
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the main ones that can kinda do that are the ones that have pierce like jeff and iw

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also jeff is actually pretty strong now

teal mist
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Also part of it is like.. it puts a lot of pressure on the 'main' healer? And things like BP exist to unmake them and everything collapses

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but this is also before any numbers or anything arrive

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It's why my Captain America strat was just 'run at their healers and beat them to death', you either got them off the job and distracted or they died and you win, like they're too important.. somehow

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but hell if i know how to balance that

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other than ' the whole team locks in to protect them' but y'mentioned yourself Folks Don't Peel

wanton salmon
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at that point surely the decision isnt do you cut a healer for gambit its do you cut a dps

runic apex
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the thing is gambit probally has a better matchup against dive than others do

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one of his heals is a sorta mini adam

teal mist
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I just feel like randoms will see 'sweet, two strategists' and then go Blade or w/e

runic apex
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and he has a fan attack

wanton salmon
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honestly this is also exactly what i thought they should do

runic apex
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and he has his little slam and some knockback

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he probally cant erase them like a luna freeze can

wanton salmon
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because one of the two would be a strat and strat rogue is like strat superman

runic apex
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but he sure can make it harder to land the kill

teal mist
wanton salmon
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yeah lmao

teal mist
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also her personality

wanton salmon
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blade would make a better dos off healer even throwing around bloodvags and healkits

runic apex
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Like psy is actully pretty good at peeling spiderman and bp despite not having cc just because they can keep up with them and not let up while having some spread

wanton salmon
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unless they do an alt universe rogue where her main powers are having absorbed a healers powers cos shes a girrrrrulllll

teal mist
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I love being Mr. Fantastic into Spider/BP

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'oh you're diving at me? great'

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'trying to get away? shh, shh, nono'

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the peelingest guy

teal mist
wanton salmon
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exaaaactly

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i hate it so bad

teal mist
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at least one of the Blue Blonde Women tanks

wanton salmon
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i felt similar with them giving daredevil the beast full time that thing existed for one arc only

teal mist
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like i get it, superheroes are a DPS-heavy setting

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yeah that one's odd

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but i'm like fiiine

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we have a few alt-universe folk scrumblin around

wanton salmon
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this is why richards shoulda been a healer

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he actually heals people all the time

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like beast

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science healers with machines

teal mist
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if Beast arrives as anything but a strategist with a ton of mobility

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I will be bothered

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clearly Gambit is a healer because he's a romantic

wanton salmon
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beast will be a perfect second gambit. melee maneuverability. except beasts ult will prolly be an install of one of the alternate beasts or summoning a reprogrammed sentinal either as a hela ult or a big turret

runic apex
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I don't think beast would work as a strat due to his size without giving him probally too much health to be balanced

teal mist
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he's not like Hulk tier tbh

runic apex
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no but still making strats too tanky leads to issues

teal mist
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I mean in a sort of 'he doesn't have to be -that- tanky'

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but yeahhh

wanton salmon
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beast is big but oftwn moves hunched or all fours even sometimes

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id make him tanky only if he focuses healing on himself

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but let his healing bounce round corners like dagger, healing drones

teal mist
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he gets a small self-heal every time he makes a literature-based pun

wanton salmon
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he also has regen in his powers. so give him high manueverability and high burst heal

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has to jump in and out

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but can last like a tank if he does so well and can win a 1 v 1 thanks to regen

runic apex
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yeah that kinda sounds really overpowered

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and is basicly just brig again minus stun

wanton salmon
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i thought brigs thing was sustain as she could continously heal herself and other without having to manage it

runic apex
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she also had burst healing and armor packs

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since this is a 4 year old post

green junco
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They went and did it, strategist gambit lets go

runic apex
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yeah i was kinda dispoitned but after seeing his kit not so much

raven summit
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He's a stance switcher.

soft pollen
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It's a minor thing but I like how they got both their X-Men 97 VA's.

runic apex
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i wouldnt call tha a minor thing

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and its something the game has been good about

fervent pumice
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Didn't expect them to go this all in on rp servers lol

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Step into the Grandmaster's Garden and embrace your next great adventure.

Across the stars, a new stage of cosmic intrigue unfolds. What began as Gambit's quest to reclaim a lost wedding ring has grown into a spectacle of ambition and wonder. Within the Grand Garden, the Elders of the Universe have gathered to test heroes in games of fate - whe...

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runic apex
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they gave back sg her damage exactly to where it was

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Also they might have giga buffed IW and mangento

mild pine
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Finally it's magneto's time in the spotlight, rather than here where he stands, slightly out of the spotlight

runic apex
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yeah i think the iw and mag buffs are too much

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i don't think either needed buffs to begin with

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but these are strong enough i think even if they were considered bad it would maybe be too much

raven summit
runic apex
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im def gonna try my best to learn gambit

teal mist
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I have to assume it won't but I hope his jump buff affects doublejumps as well

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Soar, Fist

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I kind of like the Cap Buff, doesn't make him like way more potent but tries to get him to Lead Charges instead of using it as a Save My Own Life button

runic apex
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I hope it doesnt for my sake

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SG would just yeet herself into the moon

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NO WAIT

teal mist
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Magik gets Kitty Pryde as an accessory in the romantical season

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/incredulous squint

mild pine
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it's... it's...

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a pride... accessory

runic apex
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I def do not want it to boost her big jump

teal mist
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wonderful vid and i should rewatch that show again but yeaah i figure it's just regularjumps

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since like every Extra Jump in the game is like an entire ability

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even Iron Fist hops have a title

mild pine
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Boost her big jump I want her to go to space

runic apex
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you can double jump to get pretty good height but i rarely use it

mild pine
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Also has anyone bothered to get the nightmare 4 solo run stuff? I don't think you can even do it as anyone but blade can you?

sacred walrus
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i got it as blade, took 3 tries (didn't use revives). died on round 20 on the first run, 15 on the second

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first death was weird, not sure what killed me, randomly died as both wandas went into reality erasure :(

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second death, got bubbled by namor while ads were on the screen, sentinels + green guys walked up & wanda dropped a stun for good measure. i died as soon as the namor bubble ended 😔

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the solo scaling is really not that bad. felt easier than the first nightmare iv run i did, solo queue into a team of 4

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people have done it as every character, i think. yes, even jeff

mild pine
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I just worry I'm going to get to the end and get bodied without being able to do anything and it's like a long while wasted just getting to that point

sacred walrus
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for blade, its pretty doable if you just pick up only:

  • health / damage resistance (purple)
  • global damage up (purple)
  • ancestral sword damage/range/attack speed (red)
  • dash triggers spinning slash (red)
  • ankh chance on enemy killed (blue)
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like don't pick up anything else (except i guess +moon power, but that's rare). reroll if you don't see one, never use the random lootbox option

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you'll still get oneshot by sentinels & exploders, green guys & grenade guys can still kill you, but you should have enough HP to be OK on the wanda fights. using dash for the spin thing is good for boss dps. otherwise, the solo scaling is lenient enough that by round 10 you should kill sentinels from 10m away within 5-10 seconds

steady flame
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Do you get something for doing that pain fest solo? It was enough of a pain getting it in a party of 4

mild pine
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You get a title and some of the blue coins for each person you do it solo with

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you also can get a title for nightmare 3, which I actually did do with punisher and Magik because I kinda enjoyed doing spinnies as Magik and gunning down crowds.

steady flame
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Oh is it like a unique title for each character?

sacred walrus
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yeah each character gives a different title, and they each get a title for nightmare 3 and then a second one (colored) for nightmare 4

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you get "lunar vengeance" from blade n4 for example, but "king of the land sharks" for jeff n4. idr the others

runic apex
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queen of limbo for magik

steady flame
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Kinda cool

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I lie they're cool titles. How long does it have left for the zombles mode?

sacred walrus
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22 days

steady flame
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I seeee. But on the otherhand- Nightmare 4 is kind of torture

mild pine
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Very true. It's why I was asking around about it

sacred walrus
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plus less guys per wave

steady flame
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Oh really? Maybe I will try it then when I have some time

runic apex
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gambit is really fun

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but also really hard to play

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its hard to remember the butotn combonations on the fly sometimes

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and his cards regen very slowly

teal mist
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Yeahh I understand not wanting him too outlandish but the card charges feel tight

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especially since you lose the self-buff when you raise or w/e

runic apex
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I do think he is one of the highest game sense based charcters

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one combo i did kinda find is use damage boost attack then right before it ends use it for some damage

teal mist
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I wouldn't mind if the buffs stayed a little bit after you used the ability, like it took half remaining time or somethin

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but he's already real strong, just a weird gamefeel thing to me

fallow stump
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Should I redownload rivals

soft pollen
fallow stump
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Someone was supposed to pressure me into downloading it aaa

teal mist
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I can't even pressure my friends into things, but the new season seems pretty nifty

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nothin to lose but a bit of time to poke around and see if anything new grabs ya

fallow stump
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Myeah

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I already am downloading it anyway

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Magik is very cool

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That and big sord

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But I found it annoying how much healing there was in the game which made it annoying to kill healers

runic apex
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EE and ff are straight shots

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ef and fe are the aoe

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so you wanna remember basicly swich it if you want the aeo

steady flame
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Well I tried nightmare 4 zombies solo as Jeff. Got to round 15 without like... a ton of trouble, but then Namor just aimbot oneshot me from the sky repeatedly and I had to give up

mild pine
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I tried it with Punisher and yeah I'm not really sure I'd call it fun...

teal mist
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I think this is why 99% of that leaderboard is Blade, mode could maybe use some adjustments

mild pine
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Agreed

steady flame
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Yeah getting one shot with like 6000 hp by an aimbot invulnerable fishman didn't really present much int he way of counterplay

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Like honestly it was kinda fun until then because I had a good start

mild pine
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It relies entirely on ignoring a giant pile of the stuff you're given, fishing for something in a random pick, and not doing any of the fun gambling stuff

steady flame
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Trueeee. I think it's genuinely doable to kill all the zombies and stuff but you're kinda just... screwed if Namor or Wanda's damage scales too high and can one shot you since they have unavoidable attacks

runic apex
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One thing i kinda find funny about SG in a lot of patches, is they really like to buff things she counters.

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so she becomes this wierd anti-meta pick wierdly often

teal mist
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Take that, Groot

runic apex
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yeah like when groot was strong she was good against groot, when wovlerin was strong she was good against him, and now peni got buffs ,and she is good against peni.

mild pine
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Honestly slapping anti-healing on a front facing tank is really useful

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I finally got to try Gambit out today

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Also makes shields just that bit more powerful which passively buffs magneto yeeeeeey

runic apex
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yeah i think gambit will be a big fav of mine

mild pine
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He's got a lot up his sleeves

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(pun intended)

raven summit
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Yeah, I throw anti heal on tanks.

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That's the first thing I thought about.

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"Oh okay, throw this at tanks."

mild pine
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As someone who enjoys playing the Thing, very upsetting

teal mist
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This is why I love playing Cap, even if anti-healed, if they can't catcha you don' die

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Also you can mostly ignore Remy's burst and sometimes bonk it back at him, either way you force him to use stuff and stop healing

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and a fun recipient of Gambit ults

stone kiln
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I went 15/1 as Thor in my second ever round of playing this game lmao

mild pine
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Thor is a big case of "if no one deals with me, I am a terror"

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and those people sure didn't deal with you!

wet trout
runic apex
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im really good at making cap players mad when im playing sg

stone kiln
runic apex
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I don't think i get streaks very often in rivals that go high

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but i often get multis

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i think because i often pull off multi trades

mild pine
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I don't often get kills but that's cause I'm usually tanking

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I remember a fun game of playing "go my lesbians" as I was magneto on a team full of female divers

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so i'd just bubble them as they dove in and stood on the point.

fallow stump
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This is why I kiss women

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I mean play divers

runic apex
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I had a fun moment where i thought we were all dead

mild pine
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you had a Magneto to shield, they didn't have anyone concentrating on their protection. That squirrel-nami wrecked their shit while they were trying for a DPS race

runic apex
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i feel like it was also just luck

stone kiln
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Blade is fucking stupid oh my God????

mild pine
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A little mix of everything is always good

stone kiln
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We went into a match where my partner and I (both vanguard mains) had no dpses and there was also a groot (yes this means the team was 3 vanguards 3 strats) so I switched to Blade, not expecting to do much

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Uh

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God damn

mild pine
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Yeaaaaah

stone kiln
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Gambit is awakening instincts I thought I didn't have anymore

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The OW Classic Zenyatta Instincts

steady flame
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I just got through Nightmare 4 as Blade and ye gods I can't imagine how anyone does it with the other characters. I used up like 10 revive tokens too

wet trout
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it just kept making me restart

steady flame
wet trout
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I had 3 , but it wouldn’t let me

steady flame
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Hmm, not sure why that's happening, it worked the same and had the same button prompt for it for me as it did in party play

runic apex
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I want to learn gambit

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but def gonna be hard to do while everyone is wanting to try him

steady flame
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I got to play him in a 3 star bot game (I do that to do missions pretty often) and it was pretty fun.

runic apex
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so far i do think gambit's ult needs nerfs

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its really common for how powerful it is

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id probally remove the ult charge accel

teal mist
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Yeah I feel like his base kit is fine but the game doesn't need more ults

runic apex
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yeah

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i also think giving peni the healing webs was not the play

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evne more so wit hthe rocket team up

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I also had 2 people rage so hard they basicly threw the match in attempt to kill me

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one went cap and basicly spawn camped me( to not very high sucess)

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the other went ironman and kept ego solo ulting me

steady flame
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Sorry what's different about Peni's webs? THey already healed her gradually before

steady flame
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Oh really? Huh

stone kiln
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Yeah Peni is a fucking menace

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She is the object of my hatred as Blade

steady flame
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I just like to play her for those stupid 'take damage' challenges

runic apex
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People get so mad at SG

mild pine
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They do

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and yeah "take damage" just means play peni and become a web clinger

teal mist
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Allies should maybe receive like half the healing Peni does if they want to keep it around, it adds such sustain in a healer-type-land

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Especially that it overheals

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Like Peni was already real solid just y'know situational, which I feel like is ideal

runic apex
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i think she needed something

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but not this

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I don't think she should keep it at all

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it should only be for her

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I think cap making more ults, gambit making more ults, IW shild, and peni healing are all too much

teal mist
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Yeah absolutely game did not need more Ult Spam

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idk what they were thinking there

runic apex
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Ive said in the past it feels like they will have mainly good changes

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then throw a few aweful ones in

teal mist
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I've been trying Blade some and his teammup feels kind of crazy

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If there's 2-3 non-tanks they just kind of die

stone kiln
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Blade goes crazy yeah

teal mist
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Antiheal feels nice with the sometimes-three-healers and the Peni and such, too

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Also the fact he's just a DMC/Fighting Game character

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I keep perfect parrying Jeff ults and it feels lovely every time

stone kiln
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I'm dogshit at parrying tbh

teal mist
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i'm still awful at like Mantis Sleeps and Luna Freezes but ults screamin atcha I can manage

runic apex
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Do you want to know an actual wierdly good tip for rivals that makes little sense at first if your bad at choking up under close pressure

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spend a weekend playing nothing but hanzo in overwatch

teal mist
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It's more I like.. overpredict and assume they'll instantly go for freeze or somesuch.

Also this Blade teamup eats people, goddamn

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not that I don't choke Real good at getting folks from 100-10% and then missing

teal mist
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Also kind of don't understand how Daredevil got into s5 nerf-free

fervent pumice
fervent pumice
soft pollen
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Oh this looks it's either going to be fun or just pure hell

mild pine
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Time to play healer!

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💥

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Oh god playing the Thing

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going fucking bowling straight through sixteen people

soft pollen
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I can already see 18 Peni's claiming a corner of the map and turning into a death zone.

mild pine
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can you double up?

soft pollen
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Seems like it based off the trailer

mild pine
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oh yeah pile of jeffs

runic apex
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I was kinda hoping for a larger map

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not a small mosh pit one

teal mist
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Yeah I don't quite get this mode just seems spammy

runic apex
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i was hoping something more along like tf2 payload

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i guess one kinda probally cheaper thing that would be kinda intesting

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is like just staple two maps together

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for a longer paylod map

teal mist
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It just seems too chaotic for me idk

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Also I know it's timeways stuff but duplicate characters are weird

runic apex
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i like chaotic just not moshpit chaotic

teal mist
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Two Gambits is already too many Gambit Ults

wet trout
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not gonna lie, but Galacta jacked my style lol

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i literally made a concept for an outfit for my gnome for starfinder, that is VERY similar to this

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ALSO the blue lips loook great

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albeit , not with a see through coat, i do like the coat

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now im gonna steal it

mild pine
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It's good to steal

mild pine
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Anyone want to join up in a 'crew' for the new event stuff?

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my assembly code is
935050567

sacred walrus
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dunno how much i'll play this season but i'll probably crunch out at least some. mine is 220691069 for anybody else

mild pine
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😄

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I mean hey we'll be able to give each other a bit of cash or whatever

mild pine
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I have joined your crew. Unfortunately I do not have a crew of my own ;-;

sacred walrus
steady flame
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Oh nice

mild pine
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well done!

fervent pumice
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She looks great, unsurprisingly

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Let's hope she isn't revealed as a duelist

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For the community's sake lol

stone kiln
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Well the other ability copier is a strat

raven summit
runic apex
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whyyyyyyy

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giving her ult drain is just why

fervent pumice
glass pollen
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whats the deal with those shields?

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isnt her main power just power drain?

teal mist
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I assume it's the same reasoning for Gambit Heals, Vanguard Requirements

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Probably some hightech bracer silliness

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Do like her level of 'beat the paint off 'em'

violet ridge
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Or her stealing power from someone

glass pollen
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way more brawly than i expected

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she looks like a fighting game char

runic apex
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I really don't like that they gave her ult drain

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I already think gambit and cap's ult gain should be removed

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i don't think its possible to balance ult gain/drain type ablities

wanton salmon
# glass pollen isnt her main power just power drain?

historically she has had periods where she got a slightly different powerset for a long period, usually she has power drain + flight, super strength, energy blasts, after she super drained captain marvel one time and got a copy of her powers

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wish she has a hover-flight walk cycle like magneto but I am impressed they actually gave her copy/theft abilities

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expected her ult to just be like, a captian marvel install of temporary flight and energy blasts

runic apex
teal mist
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fun buffs

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but Sue and Gambit still goinst to be the best healers by a mile

runic apex
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I don't think the ones that needed nerfs got hirt hard enough

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rocket got hit harder

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some how?

teal mist
#

100%

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Same with DD

runic apex
#

yeah

teal mist
#

25 health for Captain Overheal, aw shucks

runic apex
#

IW stright up needs a nuking

teal mist
#

Her and Gambit being able to 1v1 most of the cast is wild

runic apex
#

gambit needs the ult gain removed

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eh gambit at least needs to use a ton of resources to do that

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iw doesnt

teal mist
#

True

runic apex
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all her spent resources come back instantly

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just about

teal mist
#

I'm even like okay with her self-shield but the fact they also buffed her basic attacks

runic apex
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nah self shield was a mistake

teal mist
#

maybe if it had an actual cd

runic apex
#

even with a cd

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she already has the jump

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which also heals her

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she didnt need the self shield when she had the jump

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so she can just shield

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jump

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shield

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jump

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only reason she isnt seeing as heavy bans is purely because of dd and hela

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dd is still turbo brokenly strong, and hela's teamup is broken

sacred walrus
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rocket minor nerf, gambit minor nerf, invis minor nerf. probably a good think to trim down on triple support comes being as good as they are rn

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luna buff + loki buff makes 2 support full heal setup, which i think a lot of players find more engaging to fight against, a lot more practical than it is rn

runic apex
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yeah but i don't think gambits ult or IW in general was hit hard enough

sacred walrus
#

even like C&D + luna is really feelsbad rn when you lose the ult trades really badly. i know a lot of people didn't like the immortality bubble loki/luna comp, but thats definitely dead and not coming back i think

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gambit is strong but his ult is not remotely the problem there

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a competent gambit means you're immune to half of the CC in the game plus you can delete a tank w/ antiheal (assuming a team that listens to comms), his ult is arguably much weaker than the other support ults there - you can't use it to counter basically anything, so while your team does get faster ult charge, that's kinda all they get

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the damage amp is great but nobody's crying about storm or mantis doing that permanently at all times

runic apex
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its 100 healing, 75hps, 50% more speed, 20% more damage, and 30% faster ult charge

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that also has cleanse on it

sacred walrus
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sure, but rocket is 100/s and it's notoriously easy to kill through if you've got 2 guys shooting somebody. gambit's is basically the same way there

runic apex
#

thats only 5% less damage boost than rocket's

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and rocket's ult is way easier ot kill since it doesnt move

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cant fght back and has limited range

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once its applied to an ally only kiling gambit removes it until it runs out

sacred walrus
#

the important part is that gambit ult will not save you from most DPS ults

runic apex
#

It pretty much can

sacred walrus
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then i think your dps ults are trolling lol

runic apex
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No you time it right then also supliment wwith the heal chain

sacred walrus
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as a default comparison point, starlord ult is like 225 dps

runic apex
#

and honestly its pretty hard to kill people under a rocket ult heal, i don't even bother until the shield is gone

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yeah on one target he has to focus on if he spreads it out it gets outhealed then you just focus your healing on the one target

sacred walrus
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if you're shooting a random punisher in the gambit ult and it's just you, yeah, he's not dying. but that was already pretty much the case for anybody being actively healed by anything - rivals doesn't run on 1v1 trades like that winning

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if you're in a lobby without active comms (aka like, most things below diamond i think? people comm in diamond i think though) this means that you're just hoping everybody is shooting the most obvious targets during an ult and killing ppl like that

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like you could say the exact same thing about mantis ult here given that she throws out a better heal aoe (150/s, so twice as good), a similar speed boost, and still damage amps people with her normals. no ult charge gain, but roughly comparable otherwise, and actually sorta survives some dps ults

runic apex
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manti's damage is less and advoids most break points and shares a resource with her healing. I also think your really under valuing 30% more ult charge

teal mist
#

Mantis ult also only around mantis

runic apex
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that too

teal mist
#

Gambit just Turbo Ana Darts everybody

runic apex
#

againt gambit just applies to everyone within the cone

teal mist
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It feels insane on already mobile chars

sacred walrus
#

mantis damage is 55 per shot, headshots for 110? gambit is 20 per card in a spread and can't headshot

runic apex
#

gambit legit can just ult and just turn around hide in a corner while his entire team is boosted

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also mantis is considered strong because of the damage boost, and gambit has one thats stronger and has extra effects o nit

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20% with the only requirement is be within range on cast is prett ystrong

sacred walrus
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gambit doesn't damage boost other people outside of ult, and his own stuff damage boosted isn't particularly great - it's good but it's not crazy (and on a much longer CD than mantis)

runic apex
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rocket and storms buffs require you do be close to something limiting how powerful it can be

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yes but he is also giving heal over time, movement speed, explosions, and better jumps, and ult charge

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so not only will you build more ult from the damage boost but from the ult boost too

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you are double dipping on how fast you get ult charge boosted

teal mist
#

And he's not doing some fuckin dance he's killing people the whole time too

sacred walrus
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mantis doesn't dance either, i think the only one who does that is luna (who's ult i think is actually in a good state rn, surprisingly)

runic apex
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also for a lot of ults its 100% enough to survive it

teal mist
#

Mantis feels like a tough comparison to Mister Every Ability

sacred walrus
#

but i mean, the problem is still not his ult - i'm not disagreeing his ult is good, it's objectively a good ult. but the thing that makes him actually oppressive is the way he can deny things even when he's not ulting

runic apex
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or at least hevaily limit its effectiveness

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honestly the clense rarely comes up

sacred walrus
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like, his strongest tool by far is f-f antiheal

runic apex
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for the aoe one

teal mist
#

The cleanse is felt when you have a CC ult

sacred walrus
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if the cleanse rarely comes up then you're probably not using the cleanse enough

teal mist
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It's rare but like welp

runic apex
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yeah but if you just hit him with ir or wait for him to be dead

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and a lot of things it can cleanse arent worth cleansing

sacred walrus
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C&D blind is probably what i cleanse most often

teal mist
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They shoulda buffed Blades antiheal

sacred walrus
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you don't really need to cleanse like, venom grab unless the venom is trying to ult you, but

sacred walrus
runic apex
#

I would say blind is a waste to cleanse by itself

teal mist
#

The damage amp is pretty potent

sacred walrus
#

blind is definitely not a waste, blind is a 30% damage amp lol

teal mist
#

I thought it was only 20 damn

sacred walrus
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i want to say it was 30% nerfed to 25% then brought back up, but i might be tripping. too lazy to google, but its definitely more than 20%

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at one point i knew because it was relevant for namor breakpoints

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but i haven't played namor a ton since he was actually fun to play in s1

runic apex
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28%

sacred walrus
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ok, close enough to 30% that i don't feel bad lol

sacred walrus
runic apex
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blade is clunky and doesnt flow well

sacred walrus
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like - i don't think fantastic is great right now either, but i definitely have gotten dunked on by a really good fantastic player. that's never happened to me with blade even once

runic apex
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i don't think blade is good

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teamcaptain is a massive exception

teal mist
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Fantastic is way better than blade rn i'd say but even bad characters can do work etc etc

sacred walrus
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there's a lot of characters that are just Bad and you can still win by being good or having good teams for it - scarlet witch is a good example lmao

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but i just feel like i don't see the onetrick blades putting up numbers ever

runic apex
#

ive seen a few good ones

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ive seen more good blades than SGs thats for sure

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or scarlets

sacred walrus
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i guess i am differentiating "blade that goes positive" from good blade i mean - like im talking, i got ratioed hard by some mr. f the other night who went 40/3 or something stupid

runic apex
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Even when me saying few

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im meaning very very little

teal mist
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Fantastic is a sleeper i swear, Never Dies, AoE Melee, great antidive

runic apex
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one that go hard ive maybe seen 2 ever

teal mist
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Good blades are mostly uhm

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Accurate

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The gun is solid

runic apex
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most of the time with blade i just see the mdo nothing

teal mist
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But then just play Bucky Who Is OP

runic apex
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I have i think is probally a hottake on angela

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I don't think she is good

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I think in the matches she does good in she doesnt add to it(except a few map specific fights)

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I think she is a winmore kind of charcter

teal mist
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She's a great offtank

runic apex
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I feel like she isnt capable of individual impact, like I know its a team game, but a lot of the time i feel like id rather have a really good wolv.

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I think wierdly the best way to use her ult is to wait for a moment that the healers get killed last, and pin them when they try to return

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and not evne try to kill them

wet trout
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also the gambit team up soudns pretty good

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she gains AOE attacks and heals allies

sacred walrus
#

random minor thing i hope applies to rogue - so her ult siphons ult energy from nearby players. cool, sounds like an interesting mechanic, zero issues there

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but - i'm assuming it drains while they're nearby? so the longer they're nearby, the more ult charge they lose?

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what if they die while in the radius? i feel like, assuming there's some rough cap on how much you can lose (either by energy points or by %, probably just based on the max duration of her ult), you should probably auto-lose that amount of ult charge

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cuz otherwise it sounds minorly annoying if it's optimal to stand there without killing them to drain more ult charge, y'know?

runic apex
#

I still don't she should have drain at all, just as i don't think gambit or cap should have ult gain, I think ult meter change mechnics just cause characters to become an always pick charcter.

runic apex
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Deadpool and elsa bloodstone season 6

teal mist
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Elsa's a surprising pick but I can't say no to a hometown hero

wet trout
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lol they made his mask VERY SOCK like

fervent pumice
#

Deadpool is a duelist

teal mist
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Anything else woulda felt strange, he's very Murdery compared to usual heroes

fervent pumice
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I thought vanguard Deadpool could've worked

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But Im not upset over it

runic apex
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i don't think it would he is just too small

raven summit
#

Wade is canonically a twink.

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Well... not twink?

runic apex
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like i know people argued his regen should mean he could work as a vanguard but gving small charcters large health pools just doesnt work from a balance standpoint

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deadpool also isnt actully that tough

teal mist
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Deadpool fans like to go on like he's invincible

raven summit
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Make him a bit of an off tank.

timber garnet
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He's also a weeb

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As is Taskmaster tbf

teal mist
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I love these bits of characterization because: of course he watched and of course he can't resist correcting someone

stone kiln
#

That's amazing

timber garnet
#

I like the implication that JJK and Chainsaw Man manag/anime are canon to Marvel

stone kiln
#

I mean also probably Naruto

runic apex
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Task master cant actully do it btw he just fakes it for a distraction/fun

stone kiln
#

Like that's more of an oblique reference in the panel but like

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look at it

violet ridge
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That also suggested task watched it like that morning because of his memory issues

runic apex
teal mist
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Oh huh, didn't realize Rogue nerfs enemies outgoing damage/healing after her grab, that's nifty

soft pollen
# fervent pumice

I half expect his icon on the character select wheel to jump around between roles up until his release.

teal mist
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A'right Moon Knight getting his ult every 35 seconds was a funny prank for a while but I am become tired over time

steady flame
#

Why do they put terrifying nutcracker outfits in every game

fervent pumice
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We can finally see her in-game

mild pine
#

Terrifying nutcrackers are traditional

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I love my terrifying nutcracker skins

teal mist
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I am astonished Namor/Hela has survived this long

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Outlandishly strong and forces one gameplan ( basically the same gameplan )

raven summit
teal mist
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Very Magus-type move, this tracks

raven summit
runic apex
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wild

steady flame
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Oh wow she has alternate voice acting. Like, yes of course she does but the fact that they actually did it is surprising

runic apex
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i kindaer wonder if they will make more lady loki skins

wanton salmon
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apparently this one osnt even sticking around

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vaulted after 1 month

sour forge
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they put her back in the closet damn

fervent pumice
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I like it

runic apex
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does killing gambit remove his ult?

soft pollen
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I believe so.

runic apex
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i thought so i justwatned to double check

raven summit
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runic apex
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I got to gm

timber garnet
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So I haven't played since like, just before Johnny Storm and the Thing were added

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how bad would it be if I hopped in again

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how much whiplash will I get

runic apex
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well ive you havent played since then you probally didnt play that much before hand

timber garnet
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176 Hours

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I've played plenty I think

runic apex
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oh yeah

timber garnet
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so

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how bad is the whiplash gonna be

runic apex
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well since then they have added
vanguard: angela,rogue, and emma frost
Duelists:daredevil,blade,phenix
supports: gambit, ultron

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id say in the current day gambit and daredevil are the ones that are the most broken of the new ones

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Emma was pretty strong for a while but was brought down the normal

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deadpool is gonna release soon

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Pretty much everyone wants gambit's ult to be nuked from orbit

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daredevil is just kinda all around too strong

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anything more specific you want to know?

timber garnet
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not mcuh

runic apex
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who did you play beofr

timber garnet
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Mr Fantastic

runic apex
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hes better now

sacred walrus
#

the game has not changed significantly in any meaningful way for the casual players

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there's different "broken in low elo" characters but they always existed, its just DD instead of whoever it was when you last played

teal mist
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Luckily Mr Fantastic can make DD's life really annoying

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but he's also so fuckin potent that he can power through

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just not easy

mild pine
#

The main thing is that you are probably able to brawl still, poke is still a problem to deal with but no one massively changed the meta

fervent pumice
runic apex
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they actully made deadpool multirole

soft pollen
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Feels oddly appropriate

runic apex
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I noticed those symbols

steady flame
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Shoots you in the back of the head to heal you

fervent pumice
timber garnet
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What the fuck

raven summit
#

Yes.

teal mist
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Wow he seems uh

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Pretty fucking annoying, which is in character I guess

#

screen clutter as an intentional mechanic my beloathed

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'Blade has two abilities, Sword, and Gun' then this nonsense

raven summit
fervent pumice
#

First vanguard legendary is something....

mild pine
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Well deadpool is gonna be

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An experience

teal mist
#

These patch notes are uh

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Underwhelming

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Hulk buff is neat

wanton salmon
#

the pirate boots.....

fervent pumice
wet trout
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.......

steady flame
#

Oh that’s invisible woman. Genuinely couldn’t tell who it was until I saw the big 4

teal mist
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I am so baffled that they would nerf Blade, I have not seen anyone but me play him in months, never see streamers, never see picks in high rank..

runic apex
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he might not be nerfed

teal mist
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It's easier to apply antiheal

#

Every other change is a direct nerf?

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Damage numbers down, less pellets in the shotgun, maybe 10% more damage at max range

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They cut the sword dash in half

#

32 damage is crazy lmao

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for 8% worse antiheal than doing it a somewhat clunkier way

runic apex
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So far team captain and treetop arent really sure about it.

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both pretty good blades

teal mist
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I'm just not sure how much benefit mildly easier-applied-but-worse antiheal will be

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Makes life even worse for tanks, I suppose?

runic apex
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dang the new prof goes far

#

im level 34 out of 70

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on squrirel girl

#

a char i have 85 hours in

steady flame
#

I played Blade for ZOmbies but that's about it since I suck at dive characters

runic apex
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ive been trying to get better at rogue

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also support deadpool is apprently turbo broken

teal mist
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I overreacted to the Blade Changes, he's brutal in teamfights now

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the gun nerfs in text just made it look generally sort of

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bluh

runic apex
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and gambit's ult wasnt hit hard enough

teal mist
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I've actually seen people die in his ult

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which is a nice change

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but it's still too much

runic apex
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honestly i think they just gotta throw away like 90% of what the ult does

teal mist
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Rocket nerfs are a slight bummer

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I think the support Deadpool 'ult within 3 seconds of door opening' is like maybe a bug?

runic apex
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i don't think it should have any healing at all if its gonna keep its stuff

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I don't think its a bug but just expoploiting a mechnic

steady flame
#

I mostly play support so I tried him in the big 18v18 mode (only way I could get him) and he seems pretty good. Good healing numbers while still doing damage

teal mist
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Real killable which is nice

runic apex
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Its mainly just his ult thats broken

#

even without the exploit its basicly a mantis ult that lasts twice as long

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that even without the exploit will get it several times faster

teal mist
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I wouldn't mind Rivals with like 50% fewer ults tbqh

runic apex
teal mist
#

It's every encounter feels like

runic apex
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left is mantis right is upgraded deadpool

teal mist
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I do feel DP's smaller radius

runic apex
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whats crazy is SG who has a prett yaweful ult still gets it less than some supports do

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and she has a very cheap up

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like i had a match were ultron had his up twice as much as i did

teal mist
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Feels like only MK gets more

raven summit
#

While I like how capable supports are, I think some need to be made more vulnerable.

runic apex
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a lot of the supports need to be slapped tbh

teal mist
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The hits to Gamb and Sue worked p well i feel

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Far less immortal

runic apex
#

gambit's ult is still broken strong

teal mist
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Oh yeah no

raven summit
teal mist
#

But base kit is a lot more sensible

runic apex
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I don't think gambit's ult can be balanced ever

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thye just gotta nuke it

#

They gave it too many things

#

while also giving health

#

for context its like giving out 6 ana boosts

teal mist
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They should make Rogue's twice as large and siphon to 60% you can trust me with balance

runic apex
#

Honestly i think rogue needs 2 changes

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one lower the cooldown on the dash

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and 2 buff her shield timers

raven summit
#

Gambit's ult doesn't slow the game to a crawl, so there's that at least. I dislike how a lot of their ults are just "you can't kill me for the next 30 seconds".

teal mist
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Stopping an Ult push with her feels astounding, but yeahyeah the block is hard to meaningfully charge

runic apex
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gambit basicly makes it if you arent playing gambit you lose

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if the enemy team plays gambit loki, you must play loki gambi

raven summit
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I feel a lot of ults are trying to recapture what Uber is from TF2. But Uber isn't team wide.

teal mist
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None of these have the sheer aura of having The Only Ult In The Game

#

Medic you an eternal one

#

but yeah Gambit Ult should heal or make you aggro not both, give that thing Peni Field hp/s

raven summit
#

I think I would give up Ults if it meant we had tighter more expressive gameplay.

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Or maybe even play style customization.

runic apex
#

honestly i think deadpool has kinda proven to not be a good idea

raven summit
#

It's only been a day.

runic apex
mild pine
#

I have been playing some Deadpool

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Interesting, I'm not sure if I enjoy him more as healer or tank (I'm not much of a DPS)

runic apex
#

Tank looks neat, healer (the ult part) is brokenly strong currently

mild pine
#

I don't know what I'm doing when I ult as healer

#

I'm just panicking and running around

runic apex
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for healer you want to get the sword throw

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and upgrade the swords ult

#

you can get it supre fast by using that and jumping on hurt allies

teal mist
#

It's kind of the only thing Healpool has going for him, I do hope they sort of.. even him out

#

but Tank feels like solid

#

Needs a friend of course

teal mist
#

-2 Seconds on Shield Throw feels amazing, Demonic Cap this season

teal mist
#

Oh hey the Iron Fist notes were mistranslated, it's +5 damage for each of the first four hits, not just #4

teal mist
#

/sifts through 100 different 'omg the tournament drama is crazy' videos

runic apex
#

its easily the biggest drama the game has had

teal mist
#

it's not even that much drama, so many tournaments in so much else have been so much more fucked

#

every fighting game tournament should have this much drama about how they pay out lmao

runic apex
#

Thats wasnt where most of it came from it was more of the bullying and other stuff

#

making fun of your own teammates for being poor/needing college money, getting someone's boyfriend to make up a extremel baised google doc to get them kicked out, and thats just what happened before the torunoment

supple heron
#

i like daredevil

mild pine
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He is a good bean

runic apex
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I wierdly found him kinda boring

teal mist
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I like that there's now a small respite in between him obliterating teammates, feels a loooot less oppressive S6

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but yeah I struggle to play him too, just doesn't really hit like the other melee for some reason

teal mist
#

also I had no idea Invisible Woman push was 8 second cooldown, nobody is using this as often as they should wtf

#

What a demon

mild pine
fervent pumice
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runic apex
#

today is a good day for hero shooter enjoyers

#

she looks like so much fun

teal mist
#

Rocketjumps unexpected, she looks so coole..

#

Doggie..

#

Wait it can push The Thing, crimes

runic apex
#

its probally considered some kind of grab

teal mist
#

Every Fantastic 4 got a new teammup but Johnny

#

guess he was busy

steady flame
#

Neato, when does she release?

#

Oh the 13th probably

runic apex
#

I really want sg buffs

violet ridge
#

Her accent is wrong, part of Elsa’s thibg is she has a high class accent but low class behaviour

raven summit
wanton salmon
#

oh my god the gun jumps shes tf2 scout with a mantrap

fervent pumice
#

Her skin

fervent pumice
#

Thought so too lol

#

And Lara Croft

fervent pumice
#

@runic apex Wish granted

runic apex
#

nah

#

this is horrid

#

i would not count this as a buff

#

its that much of a nothing

#

so basicly this means when she throws her root its 10meters faster if its uncharged

teal mist
#

Adam Flight.. by gosh, it's real

runic apex
#

you pretty much alwasy want to charge the root at least some

steady flame
#

Various assorted number buffs and also Adam Warlock floating away into the sky

teal mist
#

I'm kind of glad I pulled back from Rivals some because lowering those ult charges feels wild

#

Game is already an Ultimate Fiesta

#

Starlord hasn't exactly been strugglin

runic apex
#

yeah

#

also the sg community is just kinda feeling insulted with her buff

#

if this same buff was given to say winter it woudl be adding one inch to uncharged hook

fervent pumice
#

Finally have the wedding skins

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Unfortunately the gacha system has returned

fervent pumice
raven summit
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THE SUIT!!!!

sand kelp
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So who is the suited lady?

raven summit
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White Fox.

sand kelp
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Oh Wow-

fervent pumice
fervent pumice
teal mist
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Ogh, does look neat

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Also why they nerf like every tank, are we meant to suffer

steady flame
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Apparently yes

ripe basalt
fervent pumice
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Cross her path and your luck runs out! 🍀

One of the world's premier thieves, Felicia Hardy glides across the battlefield with swift precision and a dancer's grace, ever ready to purloin an opponent's fortune. Those who meet the Black Cat's gaze should beware, as her omens never miss their mark!

Felicia Hardy is one of the most notorious thi...

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timber garnet
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Oh boy we're about to get a lot of fanart from her

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Including Furry Fanart

runic apex
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i think thats just about every char tbh

fervent pumice
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Especially the female characters
(Except maybe Jean lol)

teal mist
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Winter Soldier has to be right behind/aligned with the density of ladyart

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Internet has always adored that edgy boy

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And then Rivals snatched his waist

violet ridge
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stealing money from characters she uses to build gadgets is a neat concept

raven summit
hexed hearth
violet ridge
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had me at first

steady flame
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Oh is today the day the new PVE thingy comes out?

runic apex
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yeah

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im going to play the event as much as i have to

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to get the tilte

runic apex
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event is live now

steady flame
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Neat, I’ll try it after work later

runic apex
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im doing tons of squirrling

mild pine
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whas da event?

runic apex
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vampires new york pve

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ima gte that sg tilte

runic apex
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so far at nightmare level 20

mild pine
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Hmmm, trying out moon knight in it, cause I love moon knight

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and damn that one of the options just... gets rid of your main range basic attack and makes you stand there punching your ankh

soft pollen
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Punch Knight is allegedly good for mob clear but I haven't tested it yet.

runic apex
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im only squirreling it up

mild pine
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It does clear mobs but then you get to the boss and you're swinging at air going "I'm helping"

runic apex
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Got the squirrel girl title

mild pine
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Nice

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I have been... grinding moon knight for hours

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There are so many more levels to this one.

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Any tips for someone getting into the danger areas?

runic apex
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what levels are you at?

runic apex
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one thing is just do levels that end in 5 and 0

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just skip

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the inbetwene and if you hit a levle that felt kinda wally or you did do much

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then repeat that level

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or make a weapon

mild pine
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I think I've just hit nightmare 40

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And I'm level 50

runic apex
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yeah you can def be speeding up

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i was 56 when i fished 70

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are you doing each level 1 at a time?

mild pine
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I'm getting one shot by the bosses though

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I did for a while then started skipping

runic apex
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whats your equipment like

mild pine
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A lot of these were not the difficulty I wanted

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I got a couple of gold for level 50 I think

runic apex
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yeah you should def be able to just zoom up

mild pine
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But I'm being one shot by the bosses

runic apex
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i think you just gotta adoid geting hit

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idk why you are being one shot

mild pine
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I'm melee range moon knight so I'm right next to the bosses and they kill me

runic apex
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that might be it yeah you might need to put of the trait points into stuff like block then

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or find some source of not dying

mild pine
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I've been putting all my points into survivability. I've been trying to be more of a tank build because I'm so close and yet I'm still getting one shot.

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I'm somehow pulling massive numbers for damage, mostly cause I deal with hordes, but then bap instantly dead.

runic apex
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this is what mine was when i fnished 70 at 58

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for sg

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i do also die pretty fast if im right next to them but not oneshot

mild pine
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I'll post mine when I wake up

runic apex
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theres something saw that some people were doing that were kinda wierd and i thin it might be mlee knight

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they somehow put an ankh on their face

mild pine
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Yeah that's it

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When you punch you explode like eight times all around and put a mark on people, which you can explode for big damage

runic apex
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yeah i see something about punch mk gets lifesteal

mild pine
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That is quite a way down the tree

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I'm trying to get down there but it also removes my survivability

runic apex
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at 50 you should be able to reach itfor sure

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if you have any flat bonuses put them down to 1 as they arnet as useful anymore

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I sadly can't really give any moonknight specific advice since ive only played sg

mild pine
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Thank you for the tips so far

runic apex
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I do think getting the lifesteal will be key

mild pine
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I've progressed a bit but it is definitely rough

steady flame
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I think bosses get a significant damage boost when their health drops low which means they start one shotting absolutely everyone

soft pollen
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I'm pretty sure Kingpin's big burst thing also ignores cover after a point on Nightmare though that could also just be a bug.

runic apex
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i do they get a massive boost when the timre ends

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the worst being cap

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capwolf becomes an unstooppablke mnonster

mild pine
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it becomes a bit of a damage race yeah. Which sucks. ANd Kingpin is meant to be damaged down until he gets stunned when he goes into that weird aura attack

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I'm still struggling with moonknight but damn he can do massive damage on crowds

runic apex
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i had something kinda goofy strong on sg

frigid moat
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man i wish i could turn the opunishers auto lock on and off because in the hordes its a massive drop off (though it feels great to melt the bosses in 2 second even in endgame)

steady flame
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I just wish I didn’t have to level every character separately. It’ll take aaaages to get another character to level 50

frigid moat
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i think erverything up to 55 allows for a deadweight teammate especially if people are equipping gold gear

steady flame
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I do not! I am too casual to have friends who play this regularly lol. Oh well, I’ll just take my time with it. I’m going to level up blade too since I miss how busted he was in the zombies mode

runic apex
wet trout
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😄 moon girl and cyclops

fervent pumice
runic apex
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Know what i want a new projectile focused charcter

wanton salmon
soft pollen
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Save some aura for the rest of us Cyclops.

mild pine
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Nah my man deserves all the aura

wanton salmon
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so, no moon girl it appears

runic apex
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I hope they kill the ironman/sg teamup

runic apex
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Also moongirl is devil dinosar's voice ffectivly

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aswell as the source of some of his ablities

fervent pumice
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From the prehistoric past to the front lines of Manhattan. 🦖
Ripped across dimensions and escaped from the Collector’s Gallery, Devil Dinosaur has arrived to protect the innocent. With the perfect balance of Moon Girl's brains and his own raw brawn, this dino-riffic hero is ready to stomp through Alchemax HQ to save his BFF. Don't let the n...

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With moongirl being still being child here she's definetly not gonna be playable

violet ridge
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Oh huh these are unexpected

soft pollen
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I expected Cyclops but Devil Dinosaur was the shocker.

steady flame
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I have no idea who that is but hell yeah dinosaur

violet ridge
violet ridge
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Interesting that they made dd an actual devil

wanton salmon
wanton salmon
runic apex
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also the person who played moongirl is the voice in this too

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Thats something ive really liked about rivals is generally they get the old voice actors if they can

fervent pumice
wanton salmon
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They could also have done one of the multiple options they already used:

Use an asociated character who looks similar but completly skips the issue (using kwannon instead of betsy braddock as psylock ) by using Devil Girl instead of Moon Girl (an older dinosaur riding black woman)

OR

Use an older alternate version of the character like Peni Parker as none of these characters are their 616 version anyway

OR

use a diffierent version of the character that completly skips the issue, like using nextwave era Devil Dinosaur when he talks with a fancy outfit and wears like, i forget if its a suit or a smoking jacket or silk dressing gown but some fancy little outift, nextwave dd rules

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just DONT USE the character you cant even show whatever the reason, and either pick a different character all together or use Devil Dinosaur while making it VERY CLEAR that moon girl will not be included

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you cant both use her for marketing and promotional material like trailers while having her voice as a character but not show her in game AT ALL thats irrational, its like including The Pheonix instead of Jean, but then Jean is in the trailer and voices the pheonix as her internal controller

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its gonna make people mad! people like moon girl! she had a show what, last year? shes popular!

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like especially after the last black character was repeteadly teased while being imprisoned and used for promotional material, and a popular black character featured before that only appeared in marketing and art, and now a popular black character is sent to prison and only allowed to appear in her voice with no ingame model at all, this seems really racist

fervent pumice
wanton salmon
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even at the absolute minimum, they could just not use her in the marketing and straight facedly say when they started teasing DD "we are not including lunella as a playable modelled character"

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rather than having their cake and eating it too

runic apex
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Would you rather her just not be involved at all?

fervent pumice
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That would honestly be just as bad if not worse than what they are doing to her rn

wanton salmon
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what? that is the current situation, I just said they should be honest about it upfront

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she isnt included as a playable modeled character

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she IS included in an advertisment

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i would rather the current situation, but they didnt use her in an advertisment or to build hype and were honest upfront about how she could be included (as an in game or npc model and also not in out of game animations) if there were genuine ratings-based-reasons she couldnt be included

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prefferably without her being the second black character in a row imprisoned and unplayable for an undefined amount of time

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over all of that I would rather they included another black woman who isnt a child, if they cant include children

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but even better than that, would be including her in some other way like I mentioend before that

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use devil girl, who is a different young black woman who rides dinosaurs but isnt a child, and have her ride DD, and have moongirls voice still turn up talking from a different dimension

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or anything

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this is devil girl

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(and moon dinosaur, but she can ride devil dinosaur as he is way more popular, rivals mixes and changes stuff anyway, thats fine)

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devil girl HAS appeared as a child, but her adult design is cannon

violet ridge
runic apex
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a lot of the rivals rleases have been usally

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one well known one lesser known

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each season

wanton salmon
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thats why kamahla/miss marvel got made into a mutant, foolishly imo

violet ridge
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I knew the whole inhumans push but I'd seen moon girl a few places and thought she was getting attention

wanton salmon
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she was!

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but the industry moves slowly

violet ridge
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yeah the miss marvel mutant thing was just weird

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good to see elsa getting some screentime, I like her

wanton salmon
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and by the time lunellas push actually realized and her show came out, the situation had changed and marvel had the mutant rights

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honestly Nextwave Devil Dinosaur would also have comboed perfectly with Elsa, they were both in the nextwave comics, DD as a villain Elsa as a protagonist

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nextwave dd also talk and even USES A GUN!

violet ridge
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I need to check out nextwave since thats where she got her rising stardom form

wanton salmon
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nextwave basically completly changed everyone it touched, sometimes it stuck sometimes it didnt, it stuck more for elsa as previously while she was defined she was a bit....generic at first wash?

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i love some nextwave tbh

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in my head nextwave DD always sounded like Beastwars Megatron

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mmmm yes

violet ridge
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yeah elsa was just british buffy written by someone who had never seen buffy
written by dan abnett believe it or not

wanton salmon
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wasnt she older than that?

violet ridge
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no elsa is pretty new, its ulysses thats much older

wanton salmon
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ah eyah

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i misremembered

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ulysses her dad is way older, buffy was 97, elsa was 01

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tho else was always posh-british-coded rather than american as she grew up in a boarding school irc

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she was also always a bit tomb raider but nextwave really leaned into that after the tomb raider movies

violet ridge
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yeah, her having the wrong accent in rivals annoyed me

wanton salmon
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same posh accent -yeah

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its like the reverse of what always happens to constant-tine

violet ridge
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her and constantine could be fun crossover

wanton salmon
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i dont think he has had one adaption where they get his local accent quite right, he always gets made too posh

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too recieved pronounciation

wanton salmon
runic apex
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hologram idea is really good

wanton salmon
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i also saw idea for giving her an invaulnrable shield in his back and having her telaport out when he dies (hes big enough that even from above you can just shoot aound it)

or having her in a little cockpit that has a hitbox but launches upwards on rockets when he dies

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like its not voice only or no moon girl at all as options

wet trout
fervent pumice
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One sliver lining from all this

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Is that they finally broke there one white woman a season rule

runic apex
soft pollen
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This is disgusting and I love it up until it happens to me then it should be banned.

wet trout