Most any stun or movement interrupts Pantherdash its the main thing I see them complain about
#Mahvel Rivals baby
teal mist
runic apex
I know that its more of, i thought the scarlet orb they needed to be in it for a little bit of time before it stuns
and i didn't know if their dash is too fast
theres def times i thought it hit someone with it and they are in it just for them to just not get stunned so idk whats with it
ive gotten a lot better at using it
feels great when you cancel an ult using it
i also did have a really good round as magik yesterday
sacred walrus
I know that its more of, i thought the scarlet orb they needed to be in it for a...
it's a timer actually
it has an internal timer and itll stun at every interval
sacred walrus
you mostly notice it if you stun multiple ppl bc they're so synchronized
runic apex
i got a double healer stun yesterday and it was really nice
i feel like her ult is betted used as a defensive or counter ult a lot of the time
green junco
Yeah the tooltip on the website gives you the increment for stun times
runic apex
thats helpful
but also that is a very strange way to do a stun
but yeah that does confirm how i thought it worked
runic apex
its hard to use butit can def be powerful
ive been able to work around its strange nature
lapis aspen
That Warlock change seems fun
runic apex
yeah i like it
the bucky one sounds really strong depending on what they mean
which i don't really understand after nerfing winter when he was considered really strong
I thought he was in a more balanced spot now
lapis aspen
I've yet to see the Cap/Bucky team up used in an actual fight but it got buffed
lapis aspen
which i don't really understand after nerfing winter when he was considered real...
I think it's a reaction to his pick rate dropping into the dirt
Because he isnt just, a free win button for lots of people anymore
runic apex
yeah he droped because he isnt broken anymore and think and emma exist
lapis aspen
BP is weird because I never stop seeing people on Reddit complaining about him
But I almost never get killed by him when I play support, whenever he attacks I just go up in the air and he's gone
fervent pumice
Annoying =/= op essentially
lapis aspen
I don't think he's even annoying. Like the spider or cap annoying makes sense
But BP is just, a bee who stings once and dies
runic apex
I think BP is strong, but the diffrence between spidreman and bp
is spiderman is a very common pick
and bp isnt
and i do think bp has a higher skill floor than spiderman
spiderman's attack and mobilty are seprate while bp's isnt
fervent pumice
teal mist
Iron fist dodging nerfs, bless
Kind of shocked they finally touched Groot, wonder why now of all times when he's been tough for ages
fervent pumice
They saw how much he was getting banned lol
runic apex
I think today is the most bot matches ive had in one day
its been legitBot>loss>bot>loss
sacred walrus
https://www.marvelrivals.com/balancepost/20250428/41667_1231266.html
adam buff HOLY
not strictly necessary but massively appreciated. crazy
runic apex
ive kinda gone to IW as my haeler of choice
I think it migth be too much of a buff maybe
i think the idea is good but 1s off per headshot is a lot
teal mist
I do think 'headshots are difficult' is a worrisome thing to balance around because there's always That Very Good Person
runic apex
also his weapon is hitscan
runic apex
i orginally thought they meant soulbond
teal mist
Feels like you're basically going to need burst damage to take him down
green junco
I do think 'headshots are difficult' is a worrisome thing to balance around beca...
"Just aim better" is my reply
teal mist
No I mean that's bad
Aiming better is too easily accessed
It shouldn't be the only gate to the power
runic apex
basicly the issue is if someone can headshot enough they basicly get unlimited burst healing
i think its a good idea, but i would have started at half a second
sacred walrus
adam's firerate isnt that good and he gets his stuff back normally in 6s
at 0.5 shots per second, assuming you're holding m1 and getting all headshots, you're only really turning the cooldown for any given charge from 6 -> 4 with 3 headshots in a row i think
teal mist
that means any given second he can shave off two seconds
sacred walrus
yeah but he's still gotta be firing during that
which is what you were already doing for your downtime
sacred walrus
so practically while it does lower your CDs, and i'ts amazing - it's not going to make adam unstoppable. just a lot stronger
especially because its not very spammable due to a lot of adams practical dps coming from charged m2 -> m1 headshot combos
runic apex
i think people will used the charged shot less
I think for most people it will just be a nice little boost but those that can get a lot of headshots will go bonkers.
teal mist
even less incentive to play Thor v-v
guy needs something imo, he can like Hard Carry Games but basically only ones you'd be stomping regardless
runic apex
thor is a case i don't think hes is bad
but Emma exists now
and they just buffed peni
teal mist
People have also just figured out to shoot him as a group
And yeah Emma is rough stuff for most tanks
i think it's part of why Cap is sticking out, he doesn't really care about anything she does
runic apex
ive managed to 1v1 her as fantastic
teal mist
Fantastic has been feeling great honestly
runic apex
on the new update bucky does get an extra charge of volt orb
soft pollen
That's kind of hot.
runic apex
is emma fully CC immune in diamond
or is it only stun/movement
like does slow still work
green junco
is emma fully CC immune in diamond
As far as I can tell, fully immune. She's "unstoppable."
Cant even eye of agamotto her
runic apex
I know about the eye i was more curious of slow down
green junco
She's not affected by them as far as I've found
runic apex
thanks
hexed niche
Apocalypse would be an awesome tank
twilit belfry
runic apex
that seems like a bug
sand kelp
https://youtu.be/zdlTrhvEky4
The subtitles on that video kill me
green junco
lapis aspen
They're fun skins, I wonder what other summer skins we're going to see
green junco
According to a leaker, 10 of them, 5 for the men and 5 for the women
The Squirrel Girl one was leaked at least a month ago due to her second story on her profile having a banner with the skin on
Along with the comic, but thats not really a leak
and rocket was in the season picture so not really a big deal there
twilit belfry
Hmm, how would one design Taskmaster
lapis aspen
Got my first lord :)
sacred walrus
congrats!!
mild pine
good lord!
I like the idea of taskmaster actually being a random grab bag of other people's abilities
Like actually is a random amount
runic apex
i had a thought for how rogue could work
she could have a univseral team up
but when spawns she selects from a wheel
to get an ablity from a teammate
lapis aspen
I think you could also do taskmaster as having a perfect counter like Iron Fist or Star Lord. To represent him knowing all your moves before they come
green junco
I thought task master should be a weapons swap type character, which would swap them between various recreations of physical abilities characters have like maybe a grapple hook spiderman swing or a shittier cap shield
The bow sword and bow/gun has to be somewhere present
runic apex
Fun thing ive realized you can shoot under emma's shields pretty easily as squirrel girl
violet ridge
I thought task master should be a weapons swap type character, which would swap ...
This was my idea as well, no actives just stance swaps that temporarily grant a buff effect for a short time after switching
lilac snow
I would probably do a stance swap where he has the choice of a few characters’ kits, all tweaked to be duelist-ified
Possibly he has a base kit and the ult both swaps kits and refreshes cooldowns which gives him a lot of burst potential
raven summit
Tank ideas from another server.
raven summit
Wait... Maggot seems cool.
steady flame
I feel like the fourth one is a bit of a departure in design
steady flame
Oh I meant in the Maggot designs
mild pine
ahhh yes
green junco
Armor is in the files with ability names
Looks to be a three stances to swap between and an Ult
Hive too, the Hydra parasite thing as another tank
lapis aspen
POV squirrel girl is about to fucking get you in the eyes
mild pine
worth
raven summit
I feel like the fourth one is a bit of a departure in design
I think that's just how his powers work. Eat stuff, gets big.
green junco
It's also from the 97 Uncanny X-Men series, so it kinda makes sense since he fits in with a lot of the 90s esque designs
The 4th picture was also his introduction, which was part of this specific comic
runic apex
does anyone else have issue with luna's ult voice lines on who team it is?
its the tone being simlar for ally and enemy that gets me
green junco
I don't really since she says very different things for allies and enemies
runic apex
they are diffrent yeah but in the moment i kinda focus on the tone of the sound a lot of the time
green junco
"It's the grand finale!" versus "I'm ready to put on a show" is pretty different to me
Listening to voice lines is something that was trained into me from lots of time playing team shooters
Since half the time you can't see the ults, only hear them unless you also turn on subs (it helps for me), knowing what each character says when they do things helps with decision making
Especially in low ttk games like Valorant
runic apex
its the only ult in the game i have this issue with
runic apex
they really need to increase the ban times for leaving games
violet ridge
Tank ideas from another server.
I actually don’t know maggot
I’d love to see omega red as well
steady flame
All the event missions being "take damage". Oof
twilit belfry
Crossover episode
sly yew
pass out probably?
lyric dagger
hey i don't play Rivals but i saw the main Discord server for it has 4 million members
I'm morbidly curious but also don't want to join in myself
does anybody know what's going on there
runic apex
probally various marvel memes
lilac snow
And yelling about game balance
lyric dagger
four million people yelling about game balance...............
runic apex
theres also some discord awards people are probally there for
green junco
people looking for groups to play with, competitive team stuff, art, memes, general discord stuff
mild pine
Oh I've been on there it is just a constant flood of people screaming into the void like twitter
twilit belfry
I remember a bit ago someone critiqued the designs of male characters in MR and how they dont got ass.
Well now they do, and I find that very funny
steady flame
A lot of them have had ass since the beginning, have you seen Black Panther?
Well, have they, not you.
twilit belfry
A lot of them have had ass since the beginning, have you seen Black Panther?
Black Panther used to be flat as a plank
Except one skin
sacred walrus
i'm not happy until we get summer swimsuit adam warlock
i need MORE of his chest exposed
steady flame
That one skin tho
sacred walrus
right now he's got 3 "nips not quite out" skins, and then 2 that make him more clothed. despite the obvious blood soul drip, i am not content
mild pine
Serious question: what's better? Fully exposed, or almost very close to being exposed chest?
wanton salmon
context dependent on outfit, physique, pose and expression
most of the mr characters ecen with asses arent exactly made to look specifically appealing to women anyway as that tends to makes men uncomfortable
the batman with kissable lips problem
fervent pumice
Season 0 battle pass is coming back
https://www.marvelrivals.com/devdiaries/20250513/40954_1233900.html
sacred walrus
oh man - big win. i can get the damn mvp for the hela skin I have by itself lol
raven summit
Would you guys want a flying tank?
runic apex
no
green junco
Yeah
velvet sinew
sand kelp
If it was War Machine, absolutely
steady flame
Tanking by flying 900 feet in the sky away from the healers
runic apex
so far this is the only outfit of his i kinda like
raven summit
I really want War Machine to just be better Heavy Arms.
runic apex
heavy arms was wierd
raven summit
hexed niche
It is very funny to me that all of their classic x men skins are all being given to characters who have never actually worn the classic yellow jumpsuits
Magik was a new mutant character and came in with her own faction and Psylocke has always been in her psychic ninja costume ever since the body swap
Let alone with specifically the demon days version
Namor has just never been a consistent X Men member long enough to wear it
runic apex
who would be the funniest mutant to give it to
lilac snow
Magneto I think
runic apex
yeah thats what i was thinking too
lapis aspen
Would you guys want a flying tank?
I think a flying tank would be borderline immortal for lots of team mates I've had. Like they can't take out a 250 HP iron man, even a squishier tank would just be so annoying
especially with the low AA ability of lots of tanks
green junco
I feel like DPS are a big threat to tanks more than other tanks
Tanks are a threat for locking people down for DPS to blow up or being a zone of hurt/pressure to shift tempo
Like if we got a war machine mostly mid ranged with a limited fly, I don't see it being terribly crazy besides being a new reason to look up
lapis aspen
It more because I play tank, and not being able to pressure an enemy tank would be really annoying
Limited fly is fine, like Strange has limited flight. But infinite flight like Iron man or Storm would be really annoying
green junco
I don't think a big ass guy/gal tank would be given infinite flight because sheer mass
Heck at least based on leaks, Ultron only has a limited flight ability
Like a slow flight speed/hover combo like a slightly more maneuverable magneto wouldn't be as game changing, and I think there's enough cc in the game to make them drop out of the sky
raven summit
I kinda want them to have the movement stuff they had in Evo. They had a hover and small boost.
They're very limited, but still.
But War Machine moving like a MS makes sense.
Him being like Heavyarms or Guntank...
fervent pumice
cunning nacelle
Not usable past Gold, like regular Chrono Shields
fervent pumice
Still a bad idea imo
lapis aspen
Seems like it'll just make rank inflation worse
lilac snow
TIL about not just GOATS but GATOR
Go All Tanks, One Rocket
Just a wall of chonk and a bit of AOE healing
runic apex
i would shut that down so hard as SG
legit SG is my go to choice for shutting down 3-4 support comps
the problem with both tank and support heavy comps is it really leaves nothnig to contest an SG that can weave shots into the backline
violet ridge
Wait goats is an acronym?
sacred walrus
no, GOATS is the name of the team who popularized it
their name just happened to be written/stylized in all caps
(GOAT is an acronym, for 'greatest of all time', and the team presumably named themselves GOATS as in "the greatest players of all time" - but it's not an acronym relating to team comp or OW or anything)
violet ridge
What was goats meta for ow?
I remember seeing that ow brought it back classic style but I’ve also heard many players disliked it
runic apex
it was the worst meta in the history of overwatch
it was so bad it was the entire reason role queue was invented
and it resulted in tier lists being basicly "if this hero can't oneshot its f teir"
good example is soldier 76's was considered weak due to low burst damage
doomfist(an aweful charcter) was considered good purely because he could oneshot some charcters
it resulted in entire tournoments that was just goats vs goats.
violet ridge
What was the goats comp
runic apex
brig,lucio,moria,rein,zarya, dva(but this is the one slot that vaired)
violet ridge
Brig was also broken right?
runic apex
the main causes of this was Brig, and healers heal creep
so far i think rivals has had a few strong comps but nothing game ruining
its usally a handful of charcters that are strong and just get hit with a ban
lilac snow
I remember it was Brig, Lucio, flex healer, shield tank, dive tank, flex tank (usually a second dive tank)
violet ridge
How was hog? He often feels like he’s in an awkwards spot without a clear desired niche
Him and ram are my main two
violet ridge
Hogs always been in an awkward spot since he’s basically a dps with a huge hp pool instead of mobility
runic apex
he was a good problem solver
grab a squishy squishy go by by
he could on launch reguarlly oneshot charcters like 76
did you know if a rodhog hooks into a roadhog you can bounce off them
fervent pumice
runic apex
i now have knight on every charcter
steady flame
Increase the shoulder pad power of adam warlock
twilit belfry
Why does it feel like no one draws Psylocke in her base outfit
fervent pumice
You know why
twilit belfry
sly yew
if they add ghost rider
and if ghost rider's a tank
i hope we get to use the fire chain thingy in some way 
mild pine
Just playing a whole damn car
violet ridge
I’d love if it’s Johnny with a shotgun and chain hook
violet ridge
Midnight sons was really good
Also that’s not his ult in the game that his starting spender
You discard your hand and expend a bunch of heroism (a resource you gain by playing cards) to do massive damage in a line
runic apex
yeah i usally do it as the last thing for that turn
i think i once got 5 kills with it?
runic apex
i like to abuse free movement and such to move enemies into position
runic apex
i like magik but i have a lot of trouble using her ult
i also don't really know what to use the costume coin on cause my issue is either
I don't like the skins or the charcter
raven summit
By Peach Momoko on twitter.com.
violet ridge
Peach does such great stuff
glacial lynx
common Peach Momoko banger
finally started playing this game. the difference between Spider-man with the assisted swing vs without is startling. with that said, this game is fun when it's not causing my laptop to overheat
fervent pumice
runic apex
good they are buffing squirrel girl
after adding human torch and ultron as well as buffing ironman,spiderman, and human torch its way harder to do stuff with her, along with just bp and spiderman players getting better in general
lapis aspen
Oh shit Jeffnado and a Peni/rocket team up
teal mist
Bawh, Iron Fist nerfs, but lad got to shine for a while
lapis aspen
hasnt iron fist been good since season 0
runic apex
i don't like what seems to be the jeff changes
they made him even more healery
i hope they don't do something goofy with SG
i think she really just needs maybe more hp and more projectile speed
lapis aspen
I assume Peni's getting a second nest from Rocket means she's getting nerfed a little bit
runic apex
Well goofy in that I really like how squirrel girl plays and i don't want them to ruin it like they did with rocket, and maybe jeff.
lapis aspen
With Jeff getting a rework and losing the team up, I wonder if they're going to gut the DPS jeff playstyle
runic apex
it looks like jeff only has 3 ranged shots now
lapis aspen
That can't be right
Oh no
3 shots and 3 bubbles, Jeff is changing a lot
The Jeff Peni team up seems really crazy if she's not getting nerfed. Like doubling nest mine production on top of extra web area
Which assumedly would give another stack of healing for going fotress mode
fervent pumice
twilit belfry
FLYING STRATEGIST!
violet ridge
so it looks like he is perma flight
agreed, it hard counters too many charactesr
lilac snow
Oh he also has an Iron Man teamup
runic apex
squirrle girl buffs are honestly kinda nothing
ammo is basicly non issue do to the mammal bond reload
i honestly was hoping for faster projectile speed
why are they buffing hawkeye?
lilac snow
Yeah giving him a teamup with a character people regularly play is huge
runic apex
no i mean he is getting buffs buff not just a team up
lilac snow
Also yeah there's that too
runic apex
which is really wierd when a common complaint people have aboutr him is his damage is too high when fully charged
maybe its to make up for the anchor loss?
lilac snow
AIUI his synergy with Widow was terrible, even though there's a teamup teams don't really need two snipers and it had the worst WR of any teamup
runic apex
-As the Team-Up Anchor, The Punisher gains a maximum health increase of 25 and a 5% boost in damage output. wait is this the first time a teamup was like this
teal mist
I.. do not like these Thor changes :\a
and the iron fist stuff oof
hela and hawkeye buffs
this is a cursed season
runic apex
im sad sg didnt get any meaningful buffs
teal mist
like, wasn't Cap's old CD three seconds? he's worse off than season zero now, 'cept he can block in the air
45 damage hammer toss on an even longer cooldown i just simply do not understand
i guess it's off the GCD so he can like try to get a hammer back for free and then dash?
but that's so much animation time and whatall and he's getting less health back and.. oof
runic apex
is it wierd i think mantis needs a little buff
just a little something
like maybe a little bit faster projectile
runic apex
also is magneto's buff the smallest buff in the history of buffs?
like i think mag is actully really fine
but its still a wierd buff
teal mist
I'll be astonished if I notice the change ingame
But that's a good amount more right clicks per game I spose
runic apex
one thing i really hope happens is they also fix the spiderman tracer ignoreing invincablity
steady flame
SO Jeff has... just a ton less ammo and less bubbles now I hear?
runic apex
its a lot it might be better to wait
steady flame
He should be able to spit straight down and zoom around like an out of control fire hose
This is a joke
I also worry about all the fliers.
lapis aspen
45 damage hammer toss on an even longer cooldown i just simply do not understand
It's really annoying, a hammer throw is generally how I'll clinch a kill against a high movement character like spiderman.
lapis aspen
SO Jeff has... just a ton less ammo and less bubbles now I hear?
Jeff is essentially worse at everything now, whilst already being the worst healer
Like even his main beam dealing damage is bad because it means you can body block his heals as an enemy.
sacred walrus
i don't think i'm super happy with what sounds like a bad jeff patch, but i'm definitely glad they noticed something needed to change about the 'rat jeff' thing ppl had going on
it wasn't very effective (especially compared to like, actually decent flank supports like adam or loki) at what it was trying to do, and it was unfun to fight against imo. so i definitely think its headed in the right direction there
sacred walrus
Like even his main beam dealing damage is bad because it means you can body bloc...
also, no? you can heal through enemies now, check the patch notes
and his damage is definitely fine - it's 70/s. wanda's is 80/s, for reference.
lapis aspen
also, no? you can heal through enemies now, check the patch notes
Yeah thats my point, after the update he wont be abel to do that
sacred walrus
i'm pretty sure you can't as-is, and you can after update?
lapis aspen
Jeff shoots through enemies, I mained him season 0
sacred walrus
either wya, the patch notes specifically say
Add a new effect to Joyful Splash: Now also deals damage to enemies at 70/s and can heal allies through other allies and enemies.
checked on rivals.gg & ign
so i'm not sure where you're getting 'they're removing it from'
lapis aspen
I misread the patch notes twice sorry
sacred walrus
idk. it definitely doesn't seem jeffover, i think he's going from "not good" to "still not good, probably less used as a meme flank thing, but with more space to grow to get better than the old jeff kit has"
i think i really like hide & seek getting a recharge in exchange for less headshot damage, and the ult doing overheal
lapis aspen
If his beam can shoot through allies and enemies for healing and damage he might end up being really annoying to fight
Like much more killable but just constantly sending out DPS whilst healing
sacred walrus
those seem like good changes to make his ult feel more worthwhile to use for something other than pure "suicide off the map", and just to make him less unfun
i think im definitely good with that tbh
he's got no soul bond, freeze, sleep, push, or immortality zone. i think i'll take him damaging me through allies lol
runic apex
im mainly disspointed that SG got buffs that arent very useful
sacred walrus
i wonder what the sg 'optimize experience' line means
runic apex
yeah idk either
sacred walrus
like for the ult im assuming its just 'its less likely to veer off stupidly off the map'
because that definitely can happen on certain maps w/ slopes, u just learn to not throw ults there
runic apex
unless theres a secret hitbox size increase this buff aint much
sacred walrus
and that makes sense, i guess, there
runic apex
she needs more health and projectile speed if anything
sacred walrus
im guessing the blockade change is probably just adjusting the physics on that so it imprisons more consistently? maybe even a larger detection radius, but unlikely
but idk wtf the tail bounce change could be
runic apex
thats the only one ive had people guess
remove the small delay
the main probally sg has is she is easily shutdown by fliers and divers
giving her more hp would make her less vulnarable to the diver combos, and better projectile speed would make her be able to hit fliers a little be easier
green junco
I don't think its easy to tell what can happen from the patch notes until a week or two in tbh
Unlike OW where they would nuke a character or buff a character into top picks
lapis aspen
either wya, the patch notes specifically say
> Add a new effect to Joyful Splas...
So it seems like they've actually changed the patch notes from when they first dropped, which was when I read them first
And in the original Jeff changes for the new season, they were changing his main heal to be blocked by enemies. That's where the confusion came from
The original healing nerf was also a lot bigger, he was reduced to 100ps instead of 130ps
Also originally his hide and seek was nerfed to have 20 less healing per second
teal mist
their Thor solution is 'even more empowered mode' ghhhh
'Look if nobody can aim you can kill four people'
lapis aspen
When I play thor the only time I empower is when I'm shooting a Peni nest
And it looks like Jeff can shoot multiple enemies with his beam at once, which is going to be real wild I think
teal mist
If I'm a murderball with the team Empowered mode is good to pile on but like he had no problems generating Thorforce I just don't get this change at all
"New Thor & Jeff Abilities Tweak Breakdown:
With Hammer Throw removed from the shared ability pool and now recovering Lightning Energy on hit, Thor can rapidly cycle through Awakening Rune → Hammer Throw → Mjolnir Bash to quickly build up energy and maintain Awakening Rune for longer durations. Additionally, Thor can now utilize Hammer Throw’s long-range energy recovery to his advantage—first repositioning with Storm Surge to high ground or flanks, then following up with Hammer Throw + Awakening Rune for strong ranged damage output.
As for Jeff, the initial balance update mistakenly showed a non-final version of his changes—we’ve now corrected the announcement. We’ve also improved the feel of Joyful Splash, increasing its water flow speed for smoother control. In the updated version, Joyful Splash now pierces both allies and enemies, healing teammates while damaging opponents. With this change, Jeff now charges his ultimate faster, making combos like the Sharknado with Storm or solo initiations more effective than ever!
We’ve noticed the enthusiastic discussions around Thor and Jeff following the balance update for S2.5. To provide more clarity on our design intentions and showcase their new abilities and performance in the upcoming season, we’ve prepared the following video."
so the first update 'bout Jeffy was misleading yeah
and the Thor situations are things that have never ever occured but hey they're trying to dream
is it like a response to all the fliers
because hammer toss is still slow as shit and low range
runic apex
idk if its just me or does mantis feel like her hit reg is getting worse and worse every patch
runic apex
its kinda the main thing that prevents me from really enjoying mantis is her projectiles feel aweful
runic apex
Peni got a bit of a nerf via bug fix
- Webbed Wonders: Resolved an issue with the speed and effectiveness of multiple Peni Parker's overlayed webs stacking, which converted overflow healing into Bonus Health beyond expectations. No more unexpected health from this "web of deceit"!
still no fix for tracer hitting invincablity
green junco
green junco
sand kelp
this half of the season showing off This along with the ultron+groot skin?
ultron hasn't even been released yet and this plus the hawkeye skin is indication that I'm Gonna Fuckin Eat
runic apex
thats a good ultron skin
does the costume coin vanish or anything like that after x time?
green junco
FUCK YEAH XTRON SKIN
runic apex
so the new hawkeye and luna teamup lets you freeze people though walls and shields
teal mist
this season is sounding more and more like i'll be taking a rivals break
runic apex
i feel like banace wise it seems fine
but the team ups are like
why?
Like I thought sg's team up was kinda busted but limited by the fact it requires spiderman SG
and this is just straight up better
lapis aspen
The new changes seem like it'll be hawkeye hell in anything but ranked
sacred walrus
wow. Jeff reworked primary has no damage falloff on the playtest rn
either that's changing or Jeff is about to be crazy good
lapis aspen
I think he's supposed to have some damage falloff
But I do think the Jeff reworks is going to be a nightmare
Just a constant beam of damage going into every team fight
lapis aspen
Is new Luna going to be able to two tap with head shots? That seems weird
runic apex
I love scarlets stun
glacial lynx
So as someone who had 1 whole game as him where he lost soundly, i feel compelled to ask. How does one play effectively as Bucky?
runic apex
good aim make sure you cycle your ablities
he gets 25 bonus health and a free reload every time he uses an ablity
glacial lynx
Ooo, didn’t even know that last part.
green junco
Yeah headshots, grabbing vulnerable people and combining attacks and abilities
green junco
Also your hook and voltage projectile gives you back 40 bonus shield and your kraken and uppercut gives you 50 shield back. The cap team up gives you 30
They all stack along with reloading your gun, so ideally you won't be reloading that often
And his voltage attack also knocks down flying characters
Along with a general slow
And your uppercut moves you forward and drags people in front of you like a pseudo grapple before you knock them up
Honestly I highly recommend reading the rivals website to learn all the quirks of the character you want to play, it's super detailed
green junco
Bouta catch me next patch
hexed niche
I gotta say, I really feel like people saying “Ultron is a utility hero” are just like, saying buzzwords
Because, he’s not
He has 0 utility
His kit is entirely healing and damage
He has no buffs, no debuffs, no CC
He’s a pure damage and healing bot
People just say he’s a utility hero because it’s what you say when a character in these games has substandard healing ability
Because normally that means they’re balanced around utility abilities
teal mist
Like rocket with a BrB is more utility even post adjustment
This is a flying murderer that can generate some health and shields for folks
also I'll admit I'm not sure what the ult is for exactly it doesn't look like it actually does damage
runic apex
my thoughts about ultron are
throw his drone onto a shield tank
and stay near your backline yourself and use the shield up
to give basicly everyone 50 shield
and the ult could be good in a brawl fest
i think wierdly enough the best hero to use ultron with is strange
or emma
both can brawl and have shields
fervent pumice
Must be seeing crazies cause I've seen no one call him a "utility supp"
Like it's been said he focused only on healing and damage
But it looks like his healing isn't that great and his damage isn't enough to compensate for it
green junco
Yeah I've never heard him referred as a utility supp
green junco
*also I'll admit I'm not sure what the ult is for exactly it doesn't look like i...
To me it just looks like a supped up Loki primary that you can bombard people with to heal and damage people
runic apex
I could see it being used in brawl pits just throw it around scattered into allies and enemies
green junco
People just say he’s a utility hero because it’s what you say when a character i...
People also might be having OW flashbacks to zenyatta since the drones kinda work like orbs but without any of the special effects
green junco
throw his drone onto a shield tank
The drones are an AOE heal, so honestly working with your team to stay grouped is more the play, along with shielding a buncha folks and the AOE blasting ult
hexed niche
People also might be having OW flashbacks to zenyatta since the drones *kinda* w...
Yah Zenyatta is a way better example of a healer who’s healing is kinda substandard but has utility to make up for it
raven summit
Is shielding not utility?
green junco
Utility to me is buffs and nerfs, not shield/heals
raven summit
Ah.
raven summit
Honestly him weakening people with his virus should be a thing.
I think we need less healing focused supports.
green junco
I think every strategist needs some form of healing
But I also think Ultron is very much a DPS adjacent character, kinda like how Mr Fantastic is Tank adjacent
But it will match up with how I play zenyatta, "Who needs healing if I kill the guy before he hurts you"
And Adam warlock for that matter except with an "OH SHIT" emergency heal button
teal mist
The problem with that setup is one Costs a Healer
I love it conceptually but, well, there's usually only so much of that going around
green junco
I mean, same thing with zen, he's not primary healer most of the time, and unless you're juggling the right away you aren't breaking numbers, just like with Adam warlock compared to like Luna or Invis woman
I haven't played him yet obviously but my brain is using streamer vods and OW experience to supplement
teal mist
Adam's healing is so damn potent when it does happen though
Ultron has The Bubble and if you aren't in the bubble, well
and otherwise is sort of.. Ironman, Kinda
He just seems like he doesn't really have too much going on
and then Warlock Ult vs..
green junco
I'm defending him because I'm going to main him regardless of his condition, but I do want to see how he plays out before I jump to conclusions, since I know they did need him at least twice between his reveal and streamer release (lower health and something else I can't remember)
teal mist
He has incredibly low damage falloff which is why I think they did the health thing
but 250 in this game is tuff
green junco
I just know from my experience with similar characters in other team shooters, the impact may not be like healing numbers per say but combat impact, but zen is also got a lot more going for him than Ultron at this current moment (invul heal circle and utility debuffs and buffs)
runic apex
i don't think he has any fall off
green junco
But zen in his meta is somewhere in the bottom middle usually unless its a wack season
teal mist
Zen in a game where every other healer ult is Transcendence doesn't shine as bright
runic apex
idk ifi ts just me but ive been killed out of manti's ult a lot lately
teal mist
Like I do want him to be good! I do, I think he's neat, just hrmh
green junco
Ohhh I just realized that ultrons right click bonus health ability from his drone also applies around him too, that's at least better coverage
teal mist
ohh that's nice ok
green junco
And his drone provides healing to the area around it and double to the guy it's attached to
From my best guess from watching videos of his gameplay, I think he'll be good as a flanker healer. Your healing numbers aren't going to be as high as the staple picks but your movement and crazy range laser beam attack can put some dps out
And your ult is good in a pinch to toss into a brawl
teal mist
the ult healing is good but also just so silly
EXTERMINATION
and the sound effects are so incredibly violent
green junco
Peak I tells yah. It would be cool if it summoned a bunch of bots around the map to shoot at people to heal/hurt but I think making them directed around you at least directs the fire and doesn't make maps become determining factors
green junco
and the sound effects are so *incredibly violent*
"This is my UNnatural selection" - Ultron giving you a drone
(actual quote)
teal mist
Tony programmed puns in there when he took the drone back online
green junco
"Every human is a biological accident. It's intolerable." -Random match start line
"It seems even gods possess the hoarding gene." - Staring at the armor in one of the Royal palace spawns.
violet ridge
Yah Zenyatta is a way better example of a healer who’s healing is kinda substand...
or Ana
green junco
Ana can both util and put out crazy healing numbers
runic apex
ana actully had really good healing yeah
runic apex
her splash grenades healed groups a lot
green junco
You can now bounce your grenade to have a second explosion using a perk which helps on the healing front, along with all the util/damage options with the other perks
Like headshots on enemies
raven summit
I think every strategist needs some form of healing
I'm not saying they shouldn't have any healing, just that I would like something like debuffing being the focus of their kit with a some healing akin to Zen or Ultron.
green junco
That'll be cool, I'm sure we'll get one like that
Well ignoring cloak
Since he does the increased damage zen orb but it's a wall along with a short blind
raven summit
I think the next few duelist should be tank or healer adjacent.
green junco
At least based on leaks of the story paneling for the second part of this season, we may be getting Jean Grey quicker than I thought
raven summit
We're getting a new character every month from now on right?
raven summit
Well with how far some characters seem to be in development it makes sense.
I think Jean was one of the characters that had voice interactions.
And we've had Blade's design for a bit.
green junco
The paneling suggests that after the end of season 2.5 Adam warlock gets a brain blast of Knull gearing up to cause some damage and needing to "recruit a primal force of their own." Datamined voice lines also seem to indicate that we might be getting symbiote skins or a symbiote event next season.
Eh I'm not going to spoiler that, the season starts in like 2 days and we've known about her in the files
Also it looks like from iron Man's new story combined with the comic panels, the playable Ultron is a copy made by Tony of the original Ultron (the one currently Xtroning it up) but has a failsafe stuck in its code that would nuke all mentions of Hank Pym from his programing, which playable Ultron gives in because it would break him as a construct
raven summit
I hope we get another symbiote character.
I could see one being a healer.
Probably Sleeper.
Mania gives tank adjacent dps.
green junco
Ultron also threatened Tony that once he finds a way to get rid of the safeguard, he will go full Age of Ultron on his ass
green junco
I could see one being a healer.
Main one I could really think of is Anti Venom which is already a skin of venom so it won't be added
Symbiotes don't really heal other people and only really heal fresh wounds in their host
runic apex
Yeah i disagree wit hthe idea of adding charcters that are physically kinda the same personish even if they would have diffrent kits
i know people would like Miles Morales, but having him as a charcter and spiderman would just not be fun to figure out who is who.
green junco
That rivals philosophy as well, but characters who hold the same title but are very different abilities or powers like Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers as Cap will be different characters
I don't think we will see Miles anytime soon unless it's an alt universe with a lot of kit differences. Like miles would operate like regular spiderman with added electric powers which would be cool but may be too similar of a kit to be unique
But miles' lighting swords and swagger can't be beat
raven summit
I can see Miles healing folks maybe.
Wait, nevermind.
I was thinking of Infamous.
green junco
Infamous spiderman?
Miles has cloaking and electric powers along with the regular spider kit
raven summit
No, in Infamous, the MC heals people with electricity.
raven summit
Miles could have less swings and be more stealthy.
green junco
But he's spiderman he's gotta swing
runic apex
my main thing is if you removed textures from both peter and miles would you be able to tell the diffrence in a fight
green junco
Assuming miles has cloaking and zapping in his kit, I think it would look different ability animations enough to tell them apart
Also because you wouldn't be able to see Miles half the time before he exploded you
Also I think Miles would be kinda smaller and scrawny both because he's a younger guy and because he's newer to the spiderman game
My little gremlin teen
violet ridge
still be hard to read mid teamfight, although they've also had problems such as dagger/sue
green junco
Usually for me, it's when sue disappears or dagger does a backflip or turns into a black man
Or if I get yanked or something
raven summit
my main thing is if you removed textures from both peter and miles would you be ...
Miles has a different silhouette now.
Or can have one.
raven summit
Okay, but I was thinking of a less mobile kit based around stealth and zapping people.
glacial lynx
I can see Miles healing folks maybe.
I was thinking the same thing. Alternatively, and it’s a bit of a stretch, but maybe you have his venom blasts give allies a damage boost? Maybe he can make a thread between himself and allies to give healing over time?
I dunno. The concept needs ironing out, but the idea of support!Miles Morales just feels right. Especially since we already have Peter on DPS and Peni and Venom as tanks
raven summit
Webbing to allies works!
green junco
Miles also uses his venom to shoot himself forward
glacial lynx
This is true
green junco
Along with punches, explosions, swords and like powering things up
Machines I mean
Honestly I think it needs to be a character with a different silhouette all together to make things different too
Miles is a little too similar sadly even though I really want him in there
One option is to invent/pull an alternate universe miles that could work as some kind of healer, not quite sure what that could look like
Or pull a niche spiderman that fits the bill better
Madame Web is an option
She's basically a support system for all the spider people
glacial lynx
If we want a different silhouette, i’m partial to this look https://preview.redd.it/why-doesnt-miles-wear-his-hoodie-with-his-suit-v0-uv23400ztf7b1.png?auto=webp&s=b977b4adf8109246f83efcacdeda721e049996c0
With that said, Madam Web is also a solid choice
steady flame
Not sure how long it'll be before I can actually play Ultron like how it was with Emma. I saw a thing about his ult that it was "much lower impact than other support ults but cheap and almost spammable"
runic apex
ultron wont be as poplar as emma
emma has handsdown been the most popular addition to the game
steady flame
Plus all those missions that specifically required you to play as her
green junco
I don't want to take streamer words for granted just in case there is anoooooother buff/nerf
runic apex
also remember wolverine
green junco
ah damnit they closed the act three missions for voting for the costume for next year, no patches skin for me (not a big loss but I just forgor to go and do these missions and I like free exclusive skins)
Too bad they timelocked the missions to open the next day for every mission, that sucks
runic apex
yeah i agree that was silly
green junco
and the missions having multiple parts per act that are also timelocked per day, thats the main thing that annoyed me, like let me play all of the act together
But it might be them trying to get consistent day to day gaming instead of cranking out the mission in a few days?
No idea
lapis aspen
Got back into plat 1 a few hours before the end of the season, think I couldve gotten further this time if I played more ranked
hexed niche
They should give Johnny a Jim Hammond skin and have his MVP be him killing Hitler
lapis aspen
I think once good players get a hold of new Jeff he's going to be a nightmare
a constant beam of healing and damage, along with some burst damage
green junco
wet trout
lapis aspen
yep they made jeff-nado real
green junco
Hell yeah
green junco
Looks like this is post phalanx ultron, but I wonder what the last line might be hinting at
runic apex
maybe doom?
green junco
Oh yup, its Doom 2099
He glimpsed into the future and found one where mutants and humans were all assimilated into the Age of Ultron, and he tried to nuke Ultron from the timeline using his chrononium magic but the overall timeline entanglement made it almost impossible to actually do it
And it alerted Ultron of it happening so he came back to kill Doom and assimilate earth
Its also why Doom 2099 went to the Hellfire Gala, since he wanted to use Krakoa as a conduit to delete Ultron, but Ultron did it first after reconstructing himself into his X-Tron form and absorbing Cerebro
Then Ultron killed Phalanx and crippled Warlock on Arakko, them being the last remenant of the Technarchy
runic apex
have you tried ultron yet?
green junco
I dabbled a little in practice range but I'll try him in a full game in a bit
green junco
A couple small things from trying him:
- His beam cannot headshot, but its falloff starts at 20m and goes down to only 75% at 30+. Fires 6 beams in 0.5 secs that do 12 per hit and then one big blast that does 75.
- His drone has no cooldowns attached to it, you can swap it on the fly, like Zenyatta.
- Maximum range on the drones is 30 meters and the drone beeps for 5 seconds before turning off. Does not require line of sight, unlike Zenyatta.
- Drone does 45 hp/sec to the person its on and 30 hp/sec to anyone around it. It has a number next to the drone telling you how many people are effected, which includes you. For reference, each shard from luna's primary is 20, jeff is 130 hp/sec, and loki is 40 hp per shot.
- Ultron is as fast as most of the fliers, and his dash boost helps a little but he's a bit slower than full flight iron man. The dash also gives 50 bonus health.
- Ultron is unstoppable during his ult, and the ult dos 50 hp/sec self healing along with increased damage and healing shots since the testing run and it only costs 3400 instead of 4000 like in the testing run.
runic apex
pocketing an anchor tank seems like a good idea
violet ridge
why is sg going to be unplayable?
runic apex
ultron rion man
honestly she might just stright up be unplayable for good until they give her real buffs
violet ridge
Ah can’t deal with fliers
runic apex
at least 25 more hp and 20ms more projectile speed
timber garnet
Have you played her in the new update yet?
violet ridge
And dps is on aa duty
timber garnet
I think its a bit early to doom over a character being unplayable
violet ridge
Have you played her in the new update yet?
No admittedly
runic apex
the buffs she got are nothing buffs, the actual closest thing she got to a buff was the torch and ironam nerfs
timber garnet
Again, feels like dooming to me, but to each their own
green junco
So played some ultron, this is what I'm looking for, and its a fav character
runic apex
its not her problems are she is hard countered by any flier and dive also is pretty good against her. the buffs do zero to address this
green junco
Very squishy like most strategists, the slow flight speed makes him easier to track
It will definitely get a bit to get used to again with drone management but scratching my itch
The drone to shield has clutched a few deaths out from the enemies which is always a nice feeling
runic apex
bring her hp to 300 puts her out of 1 shot range for a lot of the lesser dive combos, and more projecile speed gives her a little better chance against fliers
they will still be counters with these changes but no longer the instant win they are now
green junco
I don't think she instant loses against fliers tbh
It will just be more of a positioning focus to get up to higher areas so you can suck them, or tossing your stun upwards to catch them
Or the ol machine gun strange button
green junco
Ohhh, I saw SW and SG and confused the two since you talk about the both of them a lot
I think the play is just to kill everyone else with SG tbh
green junco
It is a team game after all
runic apex
which can sometimes work
green junco
And working around cover and positioning correctly
runic apex
i have had matches where I was allowed to do work as sg because we had actully good anti air
but the prolem is they keep adding more and more flight to the game or buffing it
green junco
At least, compared to like OW, the fliers in this game are much slower in the most part so tossing shit into the air from time to time isn't a complete crapshot
runic apex
idk how it is now but there was a lot less flight in ow when played it
it was just pharah and mercy(kinda)
and junkrat could mine jump
green junco
There aren't perma fliers but Echo and Pharah are a lot faster now
But part of that is due to movement tech on the pharah part plus the new perk system
The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think fliers are really that bad in this game compared to others, especially since the TTK for most of them (ignoring if ironman if he's got powered up unibeam and is right on your ass) is higher than getting two tapped by an echo
Plus, at least in squirrel girls part, she can bounce pretty far or at least run to cover if needed
My thing is, each character is good at a couple things, so either swapping to counter, since thats incentivised in this game, or coordinating with your team to deal with your problems goes a long way
runic apex
the problem is SG's counters are becoming more nad more common
i don't think anyone in the game has more counters than her at this point
green junco
I don't think any character has like a "counter" per say, since everyone can kill everyone. It might be harder but its definitely possible to throw nuts at fliers, just like how its possible, albeit a little harder, to junkrat spam a pharah
Its harder, but its very techable
runic apex
its extremely extrememly diffcult id say its easier to hit pharah with junkrat than sg(this being ow1) with any of the fliers
green junco
Plus fliers are slow as shit in this game unless you're ironman boosting and even then, it takes a few seconds to transition back
runic apex
a lot of the fliers have really small hitboxes
green junco
Everyone, except for maybe ironman in flight mode, is around the same height and width as most duelist characters tbh, and they have to face their whole body towards you when they fire
raven summit
A couple small things from trying him:
- His beam cannot headshot, but its fallo...
Animation canceling his primary with melee allows him to fire faster.
green junco
Plus unlike the junkrat pharah matchup (A good pharah can pull some insane movement tech between the jump boost and concuss, and that's before the OW2 switch), you have a pretty accesible stun root that also bounces if you miss which can at least get a few good hits in if you understand how they fly since its just watching their movement under fire
green junco
Animation canceling his primary with melee allows him to fire faster.
true true
teal mist
Welp, yep, Thor's less fun, alas
lapis aspen
Ultron really feels like a DPS with a heal ability than a Healer
green junco
Yeah, and boy am I loving it (though his healing isn't bad either, along with his shield hitting everyone in his drone range if you position it right)
Its no Jeff, but it's a bigger heal zone in the drone than a Loki primary
raven summit
I still think he should have something like a discord orb.
teal mist
I still think he should have more 275 HP, still wild that he was nerfed prelaunch
He's so dependant on allies
He feels like a passive boost to a team rather than a weighty impact, it's.. odd
lapis aspen
he also got buffed on launch in term of ult tbf
runic apex
I don't think ultron needs buffs if anything i think in certain comps his healing is extremely strong
hes also the hardest to kill healer in the game easily
lapis aspen
What makes you say that?
runic apex
two sources of shields if, he stays near his drone he actully has a pretty good self heal rate, flight along with a dash.
something people really don't think about him is he effecteivly makes it really easy to push charcters out of combo thesholds
raven summit
green junco
two sources of shields if, he stays near his drone he actully has a pretty good ...
He's got 125 shields on a 10 second cooldown with falloff after a few seconds, he's not Loki or Jeff
Loki has an "nuh uh" button and Jeff can swim bubble tech to be invincible
runic apex
they nerfed that element of jeff pretty well
green junco
Ultron is probably one of the most vulnerable due to being slow as shit
And only 250
Only other most vulnerable one would be maybe Adam Warlock, but he has a better "UH OH" burst heal
If Ultron could put his drone on himself, I could see him being tougher but he can at most get 30 hp/sec or 80 if both ulting and for some reason on ground level with his drone ally
runic apex
If he is in harm he can just dash behind a wall or near an ally put the drone on them and self heal then also put his other shield up, plus flight is extremely strong at not dying since you can just duck behind many places only other charcters with strong vertical can get to
lilac snow
I have a silly question
Are there enough flyers yet for an all flyer team?
Okay I’m only remembering four. Iron Man, Storm, Torch, Ultron
runic apex
kindaish ish
rocket strange and scarlet have a way to go up and decend slow
starlord has pretty good flight abilty
lilac snow
Oh forgot Starlord
lilac snow
rocket strange and scarlet have a way to go up and decend slow
But also if we’re counting the sort of vertical mobility, Spidey too
runic apex
with how much he doesnt need to touch the ground he can almost count
lapis aspen
Anyone else feeling a bit forced to play Mag in this season? With how much they've buffed poke heroes?
green junco
I think it just makes people step out of their comfort zone and try the easier to counter flying characters
runic apex
a lot of the cast can't interact with flying charcters in any real way with vanguards having it the worst.
lapis aspen
vanguards being what I play most, and the only real hero I can use to take space and defend against fliers is Mag
Because he can actually shoot them, and if he plays close to his supports protect them
runic apex
The problem this much flight creates is it basicly makes anything that can't interact with flight charcters useless.
lapis aspen
And people might be like "it's not your job to deal with fliers, leave it to the DPS" but with 4 flier comps in the mix
You just can't really ignore them anymore
runic apex
Some people think its better to just not have vanguards at all against flying comps
go 2 support 4 dps
lapis aspen
I might have to test out Mr Fantastic more, as a light tank who can fight fliers whilst still protecting
runic apex
he sometimes works
some maps he doesnt some he does
hes better than most tanks at tanking right now though
since he can do the hug on allies
or on fliers
green junco
I just focus the other support until they die and then suddenly Ultron can't keep the whole time alive without the main healing of the other one
Or swap to a hitscan and go to town
Pull out the widow/punisher/hela/starlord/adam warlock/sai/luna and start blasting
runic apex
you need more than a hitscan you basicly need to all non support swap to hitscan
green junco
Tank wise a strange/hulk/mag can be good for shields and Peni can web them out of the sky
Hulk especially if you have a wolverine to airstrike them
runic apex
hulk and peni don't really do anything as they can't land their one anti flight thing enough to matter, and wolverine is usless entirely unless you got one of those god wolverines that are basicly surfice to air missles.
green junco
My go to as a support right now is Ultron because he will be my main but otherwise would be Adam/Luna to both help punch the fliers and put out healing
As a DPS I would honestly pull out hela or Hawkeye, all it takes is one to two headshots to bring them down
Even widow because I always love to pull her out since she is less seen
runic apex
yeah thats not enough if the healers just pocket them(which they often do)
lapis aspen
Tank wise a strange/hulk/mag can be good for shields and Peni can web them out o...
Webbing a flier doesnt do much unless they're low flying above nested ground
If they're in the air where they'll generally be, they fall for a bit then fly right back up the top of the skybox
runic apex
they can just zip behind a pillar only a flying char can benefit from and be safe long enough to get healed.
I once ran into a double pocketed ironman and it was aweful
both ultron and snowflake was on it
green junco
The point is your webbing comes up a lot, compared to like other tank cc. The more time they got cced, the less they do
runic apex
couldn't go after luna or ultron because he would just melt you if you tried
green junco
Most of the fliers are squishy af, you just need to hold them down for a second to tear them a new one
Like sure they can slowly float to the ceiling but now they're out of position since they fell out of the sky for whatever reason
runic apex
peni doesn't make them fall i think
lapis aspen
Peni's web makes them fall a little bit, but not all the way to the floor usually
Which is where most of her kit is
runic apex
yeah
green junco
Usually leads to getting an arrow to the head or getting throat slammed by Emma
runic apex
and honestly if thats all your getting out of peni you should chose something else
id rather just have them go strange and have his jump then pair it with a scarlet
lapis aspen
Most of the fliers are squishy af, you just need to hold them down for a second ...
3 of the fliers in the game can gain overshield, making them have more health than other squishies
teal mist
The real cruelty of flier meta is it makes people want to play more Hela
runic apex
they also can just go behind cover that non fliers cant reach easily
green junco
Ultron can have at most 315 health
runic apex
thats a ton
teal mist
Ultron's easy healing also messes with Iron Fists ability to chase fliers because his regular dps is so low lmao
lapis aspen
So, only less than 2 or 3 non tanks?
green junco
If you pop both of your abilities and now they're down for 8-10 seconds
No more shield or dash
runic apex
i don't think you realize how much that actully is once you look at breakpoints
and compare it to other charcters yeah
flight alone is worth several points of survablity because it puts you out of range of a lot of the cast along with giving you special ways you can just run and get a health pack
green junco
I guess
I think I treat the game and the meta differently
Or at least just want to enjoy the game and if that means I have to dodge arrows and Hela blades as an Ultron, I'll take it
Also means I can blow them up later if they don't hit me
Or swapping to something else if I don't get anywhere
I love swapping characters
runic apex
the thing is flight kinda makes the game miserable for a lot of people who don't enjoy flight, i don't know any vanguard player that is having fun right now
lapis aspen
I like swapping characters, which is why there being so little tank options against fliers is annoying
runic apex
Flight makes vanguard as a class of charcter basicly non viable
lapis aspen
Seeing that the enemy team is 4 fliers just makes me go "oh I guess I'm going to have the exact same mag game again"
runic apex
I don't think vangurds are the probem i think giving out free unresitricted perma flight is the problem
teal mist
Vanguards are all pretty much limited to a 25m range ( I know they shoot farther but yknow) an actually long range option would be appreciated
raven summit
War Machine needs to be able to bunker down and turn into an AA gun.
runic apex
there currently nothing except dropoff and map height(which honestly doenst matter that much when you being bombarded heavily) which prevents them from just camping the skybox
green junco
Punisher 2.0
raven summit
I think fliers need more severe fall off if we're gonna have them around.
runic apex
i think they just gotta remove or heavily limit permaflight
runic apex
well then i guess vangaurds are just never gonna be playable
runic apex
they gotta make a choice to either let vanguards not be fun or flying be nerfed
teal mist
None of them got a new fuckin teamup
raven summit
Or just give vanguards more options to fight them.
runic apex
because the vanguards are actully pretty fine minus the fact the flight is the problem
raven summit
Let Ben throw a car at them!
teal mist
They sort of aren't
runic apex
and its only like 4 charcters that are the problem
its also a lot less of a balancing issue to solve to hit 4 charcters than to buff 10
teal mist
'Hit' by fundamentally changing how they interact with the game
Iron Man that doesn't fly is: nothing
green junco
Not my clip but related lmao
runic apex
ironman that can fly makes the thing nothing
apprently overwatch actully at someone reduced the flight it had?
green junco
No, not really. Pharah has a lot more airtime now
runic apex
and thats a game that i remember on average having a lot more hitscan and faster projectiles
green junco
Also Echo exists
The time to kill in OW is faster, at least from and to both of them
raven summit
I say making fliers a bit more susceptible to CC might be something they can try.
runic apex
i think they should either one make them all temp modes or add a hieght cap along with a slowdown once they are damaged.
teal mist
Make Thor's thunderbubble 3x the size and ground folks, if they want hammerthrow to just be a force generator
raven summit
Or again, give vanguards more options.
runic apex
the problem with just giving them more optoins is you need to think about that interacts with everything not just fliers more than just hitting fliers
green junco
Hitscan war machine
raven summit
War Machine could have something like Monarch missles from TF2. Shooting with Primary marks them for mussle barrage.
It's Monarch right?
teal mist
Tone? Missiles makes my mind say Tone but Monarch did have a dozen options
lapis aspen
Hulks flier catcher actually working would be really helpful
IIRC currently it has a like, blindspot if you hit it too perfectly or something
Peni Web grounding fliers might work, but that might create weirdness with Spider man and stuff
raven summit
Oh! It was Tone.
Spidey is more of a hook. Peni would just stop them from moving and drop them.
green junco
Yeah Peni just drops them
Which is not fun for me
It takes some time to get height unless you're iron man or I guess storm with Ult if you pop it right after
lapis aspen
I meant more, for Spider Mans movement it might be really detrimental to Spider Man players being able to play the game if Peni webs ground them fully
raven summit
I think Ben is strong enough to send a shockwave put with his punch and hit distant targets.
runic apex
it actully does have that a little
green junco
Ohh, yeah I was just saying Peni webs right now drop you like a rock unless you're at skybox then you will be out of web once you hit the ground
Not like a slowed descent or anything
Give Ben a Glock
raven summit
Maybe give Stonehaymaker bit more range then with some fall off. So at least he can poke them.
Hulk has thunderclap.
green junco
The Ben tech is to throw wolverine
Unless he doesn't also have that team up I forget
teal mist
5% damage nerf from the teammup lost this is why Iron Fist has felt like dogwater this is truly not the patch for me
runic apex
he got a few other nerfs too
teal mist
I was more aware of those but now he needs an extra hit on everyone and that's tough stuff as a melee
275 need the full melee combo and one extra bop to be in kick-kill range
It feels really bad lmao
My one sputtering hope for the future is that Luna Snow will pay for her time in the sun
fervent pumice
timber garnet
Holy shit is that Denji Chainsawman
mild pine
I am going to bully you
green junco
Heat
green junco
runic apex
I want a ranged flank dps next
green junco
Ultron
runic apex
nah he flies
green junco
Which is a flank
mild pine
I would also argue moon knight
violet ridge
I fear the day we get enough for the all fliers team
lapis aspen
Full flier team swap in the middle of a comp match sounds annoying to deal with
Like, if you're playing Thing you just have to run back to spawn
runic apex
yeah part of the problem with fliers is very little of the cast can even attack them
most are also pretty strong and the yare hard to kill because they fly
that and ad strafing
what i also hate is when ironman turn on jet mode and just rapidly swing their mouse around like they are washing a car
steady flame
Watching Iron man crash out is usually pretty funny though at least
lapis aspen
The new auto chess mode goes on for ages
steady flame
How long is ages? Most auto chess games usually take like 30 minutes or something for a match
lapis aspen
I think it was somewhere between 30 mintues and an hour
but if you're expecting something about the same length as a Rivals match, it feels longer
green junco
TFT lasts about that long if you survive that long
teal mist
That's so much time lordt
teal mist
I continue to not understand the Thor changes, the tank role is an unforgiving and barren place
mild pine
I have no idea what the heck to do in this auto chess game
All I know is that this guy has not lost a single time
soft pollen
The auto chess mode takes too long and isn't help by the fact that everyone tends to leave the second they fall behind.
lapis aspen
Doesnt everyone leading mean it last less long? Because they arent fighting
mild pine
when it comes down to the final three it still takes time
I just wish it didn't lower your points on a fail
sacred walrus
i googled around a bit and apparently this is just how long autobattlers often take
which has led me to decide, having never tried an autobattler game before, i despise autobattlers
i'm personally just happy i learned disconnecting after playing a bunch of rounds didn't warn me about queue penalties or anything. i just got placed at 5th and lost ELO (that i don't care about) because of it (it also counts as a completed game)
green junco
i googled around a bit and apparently this is just how long autobattlers often t...
Yup this is how Auto battlers tend to run
Kinda a passive thing I play when doing other work where I set my thing and then do other stuff until I need to move things around next round
sacred walrus
yeah i tried that strat yesterday. i won my first match somehow (not by HP reduction, i think people just ff'd & disconnected when it was obvious i was gonna win) despite picking randomly
but after the first 10 minutes i was youtube-on-the-other-monitor'ing it. not my vibe for sure LOL
raven summit
raven summit
How do people feel about Spidey?
lapis aspen
Still think he's annoying but less so now than before
If you asked the same question after I got dragged into a pit I'd probably be a lot more against him though
runic apex
I think his design is bad, he gets back after death to fast and most of the cast just can't interact with im due ot his raw speed to the point he is extremely unfun to fight, but you can't nerf him or he becomes worthless, and you can't buff him or he becomes broken
i think he just needs a full rework
so does bp
lapis aspen
Spider Mans definetly a combo fighter, but he's only got one combo which if it gets interupted at all it stops working.
Then his other main way of killing is dragging people off of the edge, which just feels bad
I think a rework might help it, but it's probably not worth it to piss off so many players
runic apex
the problem spiderman is a misery charcter for everyone
i feel like if a charcter has an extemely high ban rate just beacause people hate fighting the charcter and not due to power level its just not a well designed charcter
lapis aspen
As the player base has responded poorly to every rework so far, and Spiderman players are common place
runic apex
jeff rework was good i think
people hated it before it was out but it turned it improved jeff quite a bite
lapis aspen
Jeff rework definetly put him where the Devs want him and took out DPS Jeff which was important for the games continued being fun
But he's still a bad healer, like his healing rate is still quite low compared to other healers
Like if I have Jeff as a main healer with an off healer, I know it's going to be a miserable tank game
teal mist
the clearest solution is to buff Luna Snow
runic apex
thats something i always disgreed with
i think jeff was one of the best healers in terms of heal power
and still is
and his new ult change is actully gives him a new way to use his ult
lapis aspen
How did they change his ult? I don't remember any changes
raven summit
He was able to have a little bubble station that gives away speed boost.
runic apex
it gives shields to eaten allies
and even then before i had eaten allies to save them
lapis aspen
i think jeff was one of the best healers in terms of heal power
With his old orbs? Yeah he was an okay healer because he had burst on top of consistent healing
runic apex
his steam actully had really good healing and could heal in a line
lapis aspen
but now it's just a constant beam as I try to escape to cover before I die, at which poin the jeff stops healing to go shoot the enemy
runic apex
also the bubbles do still give the speed boost
steady flame
I just wish he could still swim without meter. Like just without the healing. I liked being able to swim around for fun
raven summit
I kinda feel like his swim is what made him the most annoying, heal or not.
steady flame
Yeah true the hitbox is very small. I just get sad when waddling back to a fight
vast geyser
How do people feel about Spidey?
Having most of my games in GM territory I can still count on one hand the number of spidermen I felt threatened by
But a bunch of people still ban him
I presume tanks that keep getting pitted and haven't had years and years of experience playing against Roadhog on that Ilios map with the pit
teal mist
Also the counterplay for him is -nigh constant vigilance- and it's just not fun to interact with at all
Also prevents your team from the ol 1/7/0 Spidey
raven summit
I feel he does need a rework, but I think they should just experiment with characters like Miles before changing Peter completely.
raven summit
I just wish he could still swim without meter. Like just without the healing. I ...
I think if he was above ground it would be fine to just let him swim.
But back to Spidey, I just don't know what they could do.
I actually feel he's really inconsistent in a way that other duelist aren't.
I find the web tracer stuff to be annoying to play around and would love to actually have more than 2 ways to engage in a fight.
wanton salmon
imo he should be annoying to kill but consistent in damage so you know how he is going to effect you, and have a downtime when he has to stop swinging.
id do...
Remove web tracer marking.
Double swings per web.
Web only starts to regenerate when empty, and swinging before web is fully reloaded uses 2x as much web fluid. So now he swings more in a burst with downtime when he is vaulnerable, including at round start. After a dive he has to pull back and wait, meaning even perfect play has downtime.
Increase base movement speed.
Increase damage based on movement speed on airborne enemies-he is anti flyer now but gets bonus damage if he follows a knock up or pulls you into the air, a second combo.
Add a spidey sense dodge mechanic, dodging x hits up to a maximum stock of spider sense dodges. When empty they regen slower till full.
Web pull takes more web.
You have to be way closer to edges to get pulled off but can be pulled to spiderman from further away.
Alter ult- it does one quick aoe blast then does something else, either survivabilitt or melee damage, but its not an aoe damage star.
Intention:
He still swings in, attecks and swings out, but has traded inconsistent skill based damage onmark setup for potentially more consistent timing based survibability. He now has a second combo where he does more damage if he pulls or knocks you up, then moves past your or hits you, that is automatic on fliers.
He is now really survivable against low rate of fire high damage single shot snipes and ults, so if someone is bad at geting in, he is more likely to survive being caught out of position at long range.
He now has built in weaknesses to pressure from people being fast enough to follow him or find him while he is on cooldown as even good play leaves him in a less mobile less survivable state after he dives (and uses up web fluid swings/pulls and spider sense dodges), and to high rate of fire attacks that can more easily bypass spider sense.
raven summit
I like this.
lapis aspen
Thor Quad kill I think is neat
steady flame
I got the 2000 point ultron emote thingy yesterday. Now I do not have to play the auto chess unless I feel like it
mild pine
I honestly just seem to suck at it
soft pollen
Best comp I found is four supports (One of which is Jeff), one dps and one tank (preferably Venom)
lapis aspen
I honestly just seem to suck at it
It's mostly just, getting the best stuff as quickly as possible with luck
That and locking one upgrade path until you get it to level 3
green junco
Which is how most auto chess works, give or take a mechanic or two
green junco
Phoenix Knight, hmmmmm
I wonder if Marvel Rivals will make their own Phoenix 5, since we already have Magik, Namor, and Emma Frost
It might also confirm that Jean Grey might be coming, either as a character or major NPC? Since that was sorta hinted in the last comic page for this seasons comic story
green junco
I wonder if Marvel Rivals will make their own Phoenix 5, since we already have M...
Though Moon Knight was not part of it, but was a host at one point back in 2018
lilac snow
It might also confirm that Jean Grey might be coming, either as a character or m...
Playable Jean Grey has been on the rumor/leak list for a while now
runic apex
I do not want more flight
ive gotten lord to scarlet pretty much from countering dive last season and flight this season
lilac snow
Everyone here knows, you keep mentioning your dislike of flying characters any time the subject comes up or even on adjacent subjects
runic apex
sorry ill stop
green junco
Playable Jean Grey has been on the rumor/leak list for a while now
Yeah, hence the confirm. Would be sick if Cyclops gets added as well to add more to the phoenix 5
I'm always happy to see more of the big X-Men show up
green junco
He got that shit on him tho
Also goofy ah venom emoji bundle including nerd venom and animated venom throwing it back
steady flame
You could put sprays on him while he was on the table-bed. It was quite funny
fervent pumice
Getting him out of bed on Juneteenth is crazy work NetEase lol
raven summit
In chains during black history months and out of bed on Juneteenth.
green junco
The eepy sleepy is hard to get out of
green junco
fervent pumice
raven summit
green junco
Finally hellfire gala thor, I was hoping it would come out
lapis aspen
been practicing panic strange portaling onto point, getting a lot better it.
lapis aspen
nice
runic apex
ive gotten i think 2 on scarlet 2 on SG so far
the scarlet one straight up saved the game
we were really feeling like we we gonna lose until this ult
runic apex
the source of the link is real funy
looking at blades ablities i think i could maybe enjoy him
violet ridge
Didn’t expect them to go together
violet ridge
||tgats probably double dps huh||
steady flame
Oh what were the abilities? Phoenix is Jean Gray so another telepath but Phoenix lore and powers always confuse me a ton so maybe she gets to shoot fire or something
lilac snow
Oh what were the abilities? Phoenix is Jean Gray so another telepath but Phoenix...
Phoenix lore and powers always confuse me
Yeah that's her lore
wanton salmon
lol