.5 seconds less phase time, and 2 seconds longer cooldown
#Mahvel Rivals baby
runic apex
lapis aspen
Yeah the fade debuff will make her a lot harder to play
runic apex
and the ult buff is nothing, its a bad ult
your going to hvae to do more than "it slows down over time"
so i would say she is worse
2 extra damage on her righclick and less damage on tanks overall is not worth losing all the phase stuff
this feels like the oppoiste of the storm nerfs
they nerfed storms base then gave her an anchor and buff her damage boost that just undid it
lapis aspen
I'll wait until I actually play her post patch to for sure say if she's doing that poorly
Especially comparing her Magneto performance to her new Strange combo
lapis aspen
I need a good Peni skin more than water
violet ridge
runic apex
peni has some decent ones I wish i liked SG's
violet ridge
I wonder when we'll see the other peach skins
lapis aspen
peni has some decent ones I wish i liked SG's
The Evangalion one has a good Sp//der but I don't like how Peni looks in it
But it's also, a recolour like all of Peni's skins
runic apex
i have no idea who middle is
violet ridge
punisher
lapis aspen
Punisher, he has the skull
runic apex
oh i see it now
green junco
The peni one might be a shop skin
Same goes for punisher and hela
They're from the new issue of the rivals comic
runic apex
also i like the psylock and magik skni but i don't play either of them
lapis aspen
I also love them but don't think I could ever be a psylock or Magik player
runic apex
magik is just too jank
runic apex
weridly enough clone match made me better at groot and magik
violet ridge
magik and torch are the two dps I use
runic apex
i mainly play SG, but mag is my tank of choice, and mantis and rocket were my healers of vhoice
for dps as other chars i play starlord, and scarlet are ones i play
so everyone i play except SG got hit
i think the worst was probally rocket and witch
green junco
I vastly prefer these levels of changes versus OW. OW loves to nuke a character or make them meta picks aggressively, so I don't mind the smaller changes that are nerfs but won't actively ruin a character
lapis aspen
Rocket got a massive healing buff
Which might keep his survivability to a similar level just because he can send out a 50hp Healing orb whenever you start attacking him
runic apex
witch didn't need nerfs, i thought she needs buffs honestly
not major ones but my suggestions were another right click charge or faster stun
rocket is more of i don't like how he will play now
it annoys me evne more they act like its a buff when its really not for witch
she does slightly more damage than before with the anchor, but lost phase power
green junco
Just means you have to play less on using the phase aggressively or for position and work around cover really. If she has more consistent damage, that's good for her. We will have to wait and see but I don't think it really breakes her character really
Especially if you don't include her new team up which adds more, and since strange is pretty common, it should be more common than not
violet ridge
sad magneto lost his team up, that was so much fun
runic apex
Just means you have to play less on using the phase aggressively or for position...
see i would be fine with this if it was true, but its not. She does less damage to tanks, and very very slightly more damage to non tanks.
if the boost was larger id be fine
but for example her old right click damage was 77 on direct
its 80 now
green junco
I also may be in the minority but I don't think her ult is useless either, I think theres a lot of ways to play around your team to make it pop people
runic apex
i do think theres way to use i agree, but i still think its the worst ult in the game
green junco
Healer ults, mag bubbles, doing it from an unexpected angle, using level geometry to create cover, comboing off of CC
It needs some cooperation or game sense to know when it may come but it's very doable
runic apex
https://old.reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1jrghcc/a_discussion_about_the_new_scarlet_witch_changes/ but this is a good post on how she basicly did get nerfed
lapis aspen
Even without getting a kill her ult is great at creating space, as if the enemy doesn't try to kill you they all run away
green junco
I read it
green junco
Even without getting a kill her ult is great at creating space, as if the enemy ...
And that's a good thing. The game isn't always about kills, creating space or shifting the game flow can throw people off guard
lapis aspen
It's not the worst ult, because that'd probably be Widows
green junco
Id say widow is probably the worst as well, alongside BP unless you know what his hitbox looks like and can pull off the resets
SW is great because it's got a big range, loud ass annoucement to clear off or try to kill you, and you have a lot of movement through unlimited flight, so you can really screw up people's flow like that
While it may not be 100% (Not every ult is cough Warlock cough), it has a job, and that's making you a big problem that needs to be addressed
runic apex
i don't think any ult makes me panic more than a friendly warlock ult
just so many just throw it out
green junco
If I'm hiding in a corner of the map in weird cover, pop it and people start looking up and around, they don't focus on the magik in front of them as she kills them or the Strange who pops his ult when they aren't paying attention
lapis aspen
Some times a friendly warlock ukt wins you the game, other times it just gives the enemy Bucky another ult charge and resets your death counter
runic apex
its a good ult but so many just go lets go middle of the field
however
i did once pop it on the point while our luna was ulting to great a success
green junco
It works
It just requires a lot of conditions/planning and not dying mid animation
I prefer doing SW ult stuff than Warlock imo
lapis aspen
Having ult as warlock is just stressful, just constantly terrified of doing it wrong.
SW is like, oh an opportunity is available I'll put my ult out there
runic apex
i usally just pop it and hide behind tiny cover
green junco
My point being, I don't think this nerf or buff is going to change anything crazy, just shift the playstyle a little. You already should be playing for picks and near cover with Witch and abusing the float/burst when you can
And if you die, it happens, but you understanad for next time
runic apex
my point is she shouldnt have been nerfed, and they shouldnt pretend its a buff
green junco
I also definitely play this game less as a "I will main this guy to the top" but like "I will get generally good at a lot of characters with a primary so I can adapt"
I think that's what makes this game compared to other hero shooters different in that it encourages a fluid team comp
runic apex
I do play a pretty varied cast a lot of the time its just mainly comp i hard focus on SG, and was working on adding more to that and Scarlet was looking like a top contender for a 2nd.
lapis aspen
Scarlet is my go to DPS, in part because she has the get out of dodge button
runic apex
its mainly the cooldown change i hate the most
green junco
I like Scarlet since I like her in the comics
I play characters I like in the comics tbh lol
runic apex
valid
scarlet has been a charcter ive known about for a while but always kinda ignored cause of the goofy big M she had
green junco
wdym her big M
green junco
Oh, I don't think it looks like an M but I could see it in some years of her iterations
runic apex
theres def some versions i remember seeing that where it was really big
fervent pumice
glass pollen
that is cyclops?
runic apex
sadly this means if he gets added we get no wheelchair tornado spin combo
runic apex
glass pollen
I thought that was maker for a sec
green junco
The maker is Reed Richards, and has a different helmet
glass pollen
then Xavier
green junco
Conehead looking ass
glass pollen
I just find it odd to not see scott
runic apex
i also thought it was maker at first glance
glass pollen
Emma, Magneto, storm
glass pollen
Isnt scott one of the leaders of Krakoa?
green junco
No, it was Xavier, Magneto, and Moira MacTaggert that setup up the nation
lilac snow
sadly this means if he gets added we get no wheelchair tornado spin combo
We still could get wheelchair Xavier considering multiverse shenanigans, but it's not likely
green junco
Scott was never part of the quiet council, and he also died and was later ressurected trying to destroy the master mold
He also became Captain Krakoa at one point
green junco
Lockheed is the dragon at the end
glass pollen
and those 2 troll looking thingys
Also was the island made by Tchalla or his people?
the architecture gives me that vibe
green junco
No its a living island, but it did get shot into 2099
fervent pumice
Lockheed is the dragon at the end
Nope
green junco
Ah, well that also makes sense
Though Shogo is WAY bigger, at least from what I remember
glass pollen
No its a living island, but it did get shot into 2099
Oh yeah it did end up going to shit similar to how it happened in Genosha, didnt it?
was it last year?
green junco
Yup pretty much like genosha
violet ridge
Mutants can’t have nice things
green junco
Got attacked by Orchis during the third hellfire gala and a lot of people died, and then after Orchis and Enigma went down, it merged with White Hot Room after some resurrection shenanigans
To keep a VERY long and complicated story short
glass pollen
yeah but its arguably a weirder one if literally there is a afterlife for human people
then the other for Mutant people
At least the green door is specifically because Hulk is a freak and was "chosen"
green junco
Its not like an traditional after life, more like where the Phoenix lives. The ressurection protocols involve Xavier making psychic backups of mutants through time and then using The Five to make clones
glass pollen
oh yeah Joe fix it/Hulk dripped the fuck out is now in theroster
green junco
And the white hot rooms allows for Krakoa to live without interference
glass pollen
pretty sure I saw some people really hoping to see the guy or named that
runic apex
i still want sailor moon squirrel gilr
green junco
I mean that is literally a Joe Fixit skin for hulk
glass pollen
Yeah, I meant that some people will be happy to see grey Hulk
lilac snow
yeah but its arguably a weirder one if literally there is a afterlife for human ...
Isn't the devil real and Dr Strange has his phone number?
runic apex
do mutant animals go to the animal afterlife or the mutant one
glass pollen
You are saying that like dr strange doesnt know A LOT of people being the sorcerer supreme
lapis aspen
Do non humans have an X gene to become mutants to go Mutant heaven
glass pollen
actually is Strange the sorcerer supreme rn?
heard that recently Doom took over the title
main parcel
There's a LOT of folks who claim to be the Devil, but I don't think Strange has the One Above/Below All's number
lilac snow
Wait is Mephisto not the devil? One sec
green junco
There isn't really a mutant afterlife though, Xavier just makes a photocopy of their complete mind and tosses it into a body The Five make
Where they go after they die, idk 
runic apex
does this mean the one that explodes can be finally useful
green junco
The Quiet Council has something called "The Crusible" where a depowered mutant will face Apocalypse and later Silver Samurai and most likely die in valiant combat, and then they get resurrected with their powers back
Mutants whos powers kill themselves usually aren't really told to use their powers, and resurrection is time consuming and tough so they don't really let them do it willy nilly
runic apex
i figured something like that, just making a little joke
glass pollen
throw that kid that logan had to kill
runic apex
i think that one is beyond throw
green junco
I don't think the kid would be happy with his powers, though its possible to get ressurected a regular human I guess, though I don't think they would really do that
runic apex
i feel like if they should do that to anyone it should be explody boy and "i melt my entire town" boy
violet ridge
At least the green door is specifically because Hulk is a freak and was "chosen"
I should read immortal hulk, main ghist is the idea that hulk isn't just gamma mutation, but that gamma mutation lets something into our reality that should be kept out right?
green junco
Thought so, they are adapting some of the fall of x arc but with Ultron, and nice message
mild pine
i got it
green junco
Hell yeah
wet trout
SO
emma kicked his head clean off
I wonder if this is a bad or good end
like attackers or defenders?
glass pollen
attacker considering Ultron is coming over
timber garnet
where is this from?
green junco
Looks like a flats stream
fervent pumice
where is this from?
Content creators early access
timber garnet
ah
fervent pumice
There's another ending screen where Ultron emerges out of a tree pod with the same look
glass pollen
Must be ultron just failing to get the thing
and he kind of has a doombot thing going on
green junco
So Ultron is trying to get his hands on the ressurection protocols?
Or at least The Five who run it
Since thats how ressurected mutants are formed
Full battlepass
steady flame
He seems to be up to stuff in both the images I see. Granted it is Ultron and he has a tendency of being ludicrously difficult to get rid of
green junco
Yeah if he's going for the cerebro, that makes sense since it holds the back ups for every mutant they had access to, and would make sense to make some sort of Super Ultron through the resurrection protocol
It's one of the final steps in the resurrection process
autumn valve
lilac snow
Patiently awaiting Carol Danvers
hexed niche
What are some other blonde white women in marvel?
lilac snow
Mockingbird. Namora. Valkyrie. Enchantress. Dazzler
Do you want to count platinum blonde?
soft pollen
Either of the Gwens though they have masks
lilac snow
Darkstar. Thena. Spitfire. Moonglow. Thor. Snowbird. Agent 13. Ruby Summers
raven summit
Okay but I want a brown lady tank please..
lilac snow
Also a good pick
wanton salmon
Debri is a deep cut but would be a good tank
she is a telekinetic who can move only light objects but can move MASSIVE AMOUNTS of light objects
she could play fun with the breakable wall system too
and unlike other tanks, her walls are mobile and she can attack with them
she also wraps her body in the debris she controls to make a like, big monster form with her in the middle
so she can do both kinds of tanking
she also looks cool
timber garnet
👀
mild pine
Good on he!
wanton salmon
honestly at this point I REALLY want next season to be DPS Blade and Strategist Dracula
runic apex
i don't want blade next season mainly cause i think he be melee
sand oracle
personally I'd be happy with more melee characters, I honestly prefer that kind of gameplay
green junco
Based on the stories released with the season, I think Present Doom killed dracula to siphon his power?
I like melee characters too
These team shooters are bloated with ranged, I want to GET IN THERE
violet ridge
I can't see dracula anytime soon, I'd prefer him as a vanguard as well
I'm starting to wonder if we might see professor x more soon than we expected though
since he does show up as a statue on the krakoa map and he's the last of the major mutant leaders we haven't seen yet
green junco
He's on the leak list
violet ridge
(apocalypse is busy warring with the egyptian gods and doesn't feel like a playable character to me)
yeah, but he's one of the characters who seems to be early concept rather than the early ones who are more solid
fervent pumice
That was same for Sue
But she obviously came out already
Leaks don't always equal content coming soon
green junco
Namor X-Men skin
sly yew
If namor uses socks do you think he cuts holes in them so he can still use his wings?
sacred walrus
only short socks, clearly
runic apex
anyone want to guess my least favorite thing about playing namor
runic apex
depends on what you mean by audio
runic apex
yeah i hate that so much
teal mist
the 'just out of the pool' walking around that makes him real easy to find when trying to be sneaky
I don't know how Namors tune that out
same with Spidermains, he's fine, but like the stock of four voice lines would get so old
runic apex
im pretty sure "bouncing back again" is seared into my brain
yeah namor is not noe i like playing either its a bit simple
and gets shutdown by weary ranged charcters
teal mist
He just doesn't give me that Turret Character satisfaction, i liked Engineer/Battle Engineer in TF2 but the squids are so.. eh
that's just an Ability you use
runic apex
yeah they are throw and forget with very little health
green junco
Squirrel Girl and Magneto skin nameplates
Related leaked art from the gallery
Looks like iron fist on the right
timber garnet
Iron Fist, Magneto, Doom?
green junco
Yes
fervent pumice
lilac snow
He just doesn't give me that Turret Character satisfaction, i liked Engineer/Bat...
The squids seem much more like Symmetra turrets to me
runic apex
your ight they pretty much are
green junco
Yeah the gamma teamup turns them into actual sym turrets instead of shooting bullets
vast geyser
He better have the ability from the xmen 97 cartoon where he just snatches the enemy team into a physic classroom to teach them the perils of imperialism
green junco
Or in the older Xmen show where he made magneto relive the holocaust
teal mist
The squids seem much more like Symmetra turrets to me
That's very true, we don't really have an Engineer type
vast geyser
Or in the older Xmen show where he made magneto relive the holocaust
Think I can go without that one
violet ridge
so many leaked characters wow
xavier showing up for season 3 and the continuation of the plot would fit though
green junco
You can hold your SW left click beam while also firing the team up machine gun
green junco
Also looks like Arrako is the mid season map
violet ridge
are we getting two maps this season? I'd have assumed just one
sacred walrus
i'm assuming it's 2 maps, same as last season, with a specific setting - like the 2 "new" central park maps
just because that makes a little more sense w/ what they said re competitive rotation?
green junco
Yeah that's my assumption as well, and this is based off of data mining
sacred walrus
i'm always semi leery of datamined stuff, just because especially nowadays, things often end up changing so much between "leaks" and "release"
like iirc the new spiderman BP skin was originally thought to be a LNY skin since it's been in the files since december/january or something
and it may have been! but it got moved around, clearly, if so
green junco
Yeah timing is hard to figure versus just finding it
sacred walrus
yeah, i bet a lot of it is finding the right times to drop things lol - like, if you have a cool skin idea that doesn't really have a matching set, how long do you sit on it for?
green junco
The data mine quote mentions specifically "Hellfire Gala: Arrako" and discusses how Ultron or "X-Tron" goes from Krakoa to conquer Arrako with cerebro after getting it on Krakoa
And both victory videos show Ultron evolve by getting cerebro
lilac snow
Yeah. Everyone expected Emma to be the Hellfire Gala season but not s2 and paired with Ultron
green junco
My theory being that Ultron loses, maybe because Doom 2099 fights back or Present Doom takes his power
lilac snow
Guesses were like being paired with Jean Grey in s3
green junco
Or Xavier
Since it would make sense if Ultron loses by Xavier taking the cerebro back
Also Winter Soldier is getting an MCU skin
Star lord gets a different helmet with his skin
Monster Joe Fixit
Frost recolor
violet ridge
i'm always semi leery of datamined stuff, just because especially nowadays, thin...
yeah, we have so many characters that at the release rate it'll take a while to get through them all, and we might find new characters introduced or existing ones changed by that poitn
lilac snow
2 chars every 2 months is a decent pace though
wanton salmon
i don't want blade next season mainly cause i think he be melee
blade wouldnt be that much melee anyway
sword sure but also huge pistol, stake gun and hopefully the glaive from the movie
runic apex
yeah blade is in midnight suns and i was surpised when he just pulls out a machinepistol
green junco
It works
violet ridge
2 chars every 2 months is a decent pace though
It is, there’s just so many leaked characters
He has draculas sword from what we’ve seen, no clue how he’ll actually use it
green junco
probably to stab or slash people I guess 
violet ridge
Yeah, but will it be his basic attack or a cooldown while he uses guns?
Personally I hope we get more characters actually using guns
green junco
I think we will, since there's a good chunk of marvel characters with the "I use guns good" skillset
wet trout
have you heard how emma frost reacts to jeff being taken out ?
She yells " NO! MY BABY!"
ALSO , Blade is gone
twilit belfry
Magic less so because she actually wears different colors
lapis aspen
I love Plat DPS players
hexed niche
It’s kinda awesome how the Krakoa map ends with Ultron winning either way
Simply the best to ever do it
timber garnet
Ultron Swwep
teal mist
Does make the enthusiastic 'You won!' Seem a little out of place
steady flame
He is gaming too hard
vast geyser
sand oracle
aa
timber garnet
Makes sense, honestly. Frost is one of the most powerful telepaths out there, and Groot speaks like that because his vocal corridor are frozen, not because of anything mental
green junco
He's very thoughtful and have long conversations with Rocket in the comics
runic apex
i like how gotg really implied how thoughtful he was
sly yew
Neat
green junco
She's a fierce defender of children which I think is an important factor
celest wadi
Strong hero, but also very willing to play dirty to get to her ends, I think currently.
hexed niche
Yah children were always her soft spot even when she was a villain
green junco
In the game canon, leaning hero as well
celest wadi
She's a political and financial player more than a combat heavyweight, though she can certainly hold her own.
hexed niche
In the game canon, leaning hero as well
Yah it’s Krakoa era so it’s when she’s a political leader for mutants as well
sly yew
She's a fierce defender of children which I think is an important factor
I approve
green junco
sand oracle
https://fixupx.com/MRivalsHub/status/1908457929742615027
that's some very solid pensive treefolk voice acting
runic apex
runic apex
a combonaion of the new skin plus midnight suns kinda makes me want to learn magiik more
violet ridge
Magik is a lot of fun
runic apex
i think they should slightly increase hitbox of her dash and not even count it as a buff
its just so jank
teal mist
At least to deal with the camera offset thing
Iron Fist has similar problems but hers is thinner iirc
runic apex
ironfist usally hits yeah
rotund thicket
My run this season
sacred walrus
generational winstreak
rotund thicket
My faith is in Adam
I still don’t have lord with him sadly
I still have much to learn
steady flame
Is Ultron not coming out at the same time as Emma Frost? Haven’t seen any official stuff about his gameplay, so is he popping off in in a month or so?
fervent pumice
Same as how last season went
He'll come halfway through the season
No gameplay of him yet
lapis aspen
yeah they're doing a hero a month from now on
green junco
Is Ultron not coming out at the same time as Emma Frost? Haven’t seen any offici...
Coming out mid to late May according to the dev video
Character a month as ddraig said
sand kelp
The Fantastic Four is an anomaly it would seem
Which is understandable, there's four of them and only releasing one of them a month would have been weird if they focused a season on them, so two one month and another two the next
green junco
Yeah the devs said specifically that season 1 was special in that they released 4 characters in one long season, and they will do 1 character every 2 months and then reduced that to 1 character a month with 2 month seasons
steady flame
Darn, I mostly play strategist so I’m a lot more excited for Ultron than thunder thighs Frost
green junco
I'm going to play the shit out of Ultron when he comes out
steady flame
https://youtube.com/shorts/N34DGu6QYn4?si=ZezHZnsGqn4DSGDb
Perhaps a poor choice to stand directly on top of the character who specifically can one shot from full health
lilac snow
A calculated risk, and she was bad at math
raven summit
She sometimes doesn't get ready in the morning and stays in her pajamas all day.
Just projecting a mental image of her looking her best.
lilac snow
They should add a pajama skin
teal mist
Until you get KO'd and you appear in flannel pants and an old tshirt
runic apex
Why is everytime i try to learn a charcter im not famlir with i get the worst team mates to exist
"tries thing" Lets triple flier against an anti flier team and only one haeler
im sorry but triple flier is not gonna beat namor,winter,punisher, and rocket on the same team
hexed niche
twilit belfry
Where beard
hexed niche
Where beard
he doesnt always have a beard
teal mist
so like does he have rubber hair, yeah, right, that must be a real pain to shave
but knowing him he has a cartoonish device
sly yew
green junco
I really hope we get a fused hank pym skin for Ultron
And an Age of Ultron skin, but that may be just be the one we're seeing in the win/lose of the new Krakoa map
Also phalanx ultron would be peak
raven summit
green junco
They're also adding a switch in season two on the launcher page for an experimental checkbox where it will only compile shaders on the first launch after a driver update or a game update and would cut down on memory usage
twilit belfry
I should redownload and try out the thing
green junco
Next season but yeah should be nice
vast geyser
Just a few hours from now
green junco
oh shit yeah 11th is tomorrow
green junco
Marvel rivals season 2 lets go
lapis aspen
I like the rocket changes, it's gonna take a while to get use to having less dashes but his healing being effective just lets him do so much more damage
green junco
mhm
And emmas kick is her right click when in diamond form, not just part of the command grab
And her ult stops people caught from using their ults too
If you manage to get out of her ult, she can't recontrol you either
runic apex
does groot basicly negate her ult easily?
green junco
If she goes diamond, she becomes unstoppable, or do you mean tossing your ult into her while she's ulting
You can also command grab a lot of characters out of their ults
But I think that's just cuz it's another CC, but it's more disrespectful
runic apex
i mean can groot just wall her ult off easily
green junco
Ohh yeah he can do that pretty easily
I read that as "does groot ult negate her ult"
lapis aspen
Groot can also put a wall under the Thing to mess up his ult
green junco
Pretty much any terrain or walls can block line of sight based abilities
runic apex
yeah but thats def harder to just pull out then emma's slower ult
green junco
Also her walls has a 3 second reposition cooldown with 500 health and a 4 second post destruction cooldown
100 more than caps shield, 200 less than groots ironwall, 200 more than magnetos bubble
runic apex
so diamond is 30% resist and cc immune?
green junco
yup
green junco
You click on someone, it makes a pillar with a max health of 25% of the persons current health, and does 5 damage to the person until it runs out of health, doing 25% max health
And if you move further than 15 m, it breaks the link
You can also hit both the pillar and the person if they're close together for more damage
Literally illaoi from LoL
Also the first event for the season is up, its bingo with character based missions
runic apex
hows emma so far
wanton salmon
emotionally?
lapis aspen
Havent gotten a chance to play her yet, but the command grab doesnt seem too annoying so far
green junco
I like the new teamups so far
lapis aspen
The extra health and crits on Peni feel really good
runic apex
they added shortcuts the firing range
green junco
yeah, the cool krakoa portals
runic apex
something ive noticed about scarlet
ive noticed i can phase after being grabbed faster than i could before
runic apex
ive seen multiable poeple with the bought skin for emma already
green junco
Its a good skin
runic apex
yeah but still feels really early ot buy it for a charcter less than 24 hours old
sand kelp
You know why people are buying it, Fox-
green junco
Yeah you know why
mild pine
Holy shirtballs Fox you're eating good with Nut Rocker
mild pine
That is a shame cause I think it's kick ass
runic apex
green junco
Punk rock SG goes hard
runic apex
a lot of it is the hair
green junco
And she's getting a beach skin later this season
mild pine
Also with Emma's duplicate ability it's kinda setting up for Mysterio in the future
raven summit
teal mist
The most blade has slept in his career let the man doze
runic apex
i like the joke someone made that they should just make this a running joke of him napping in places
sand kelp
They should have him sleeping upside down sometimes
green junco
Incoming SG skin based on datamined related banner
Also maybe the Thor in the back since he was in I think the launch cinematic or one of the comic story panels
Which is his hellfire gala look, or at least a toned down version of it
violet ridge
I wonder how sp//dr would look like with the penni skin
raven summit
lilac snow
Hell yeah
mild pine
I support this
Also you know where I'd love him to be sleeping upside down/on the ceiling? Squirrel girl's house
you're running around wrecking the place and look up and he's just snoozing on the ceiling
sacred walrus
lets fucking GOOO
timber garnet
does Venom still have the twerk emote
sacred walrus
yes but if you didn't claim it you can't anymore
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mild pine
autumn valve
mild pine
Homosuperior as they say
mild pine
He's been utterly snatching me on the backlines lately
runic apex
I really don't think he needed the buff at at, idk they keep buffing unibeam to become the most silly strong thing, giving an ironman who can fly and go pretty fast the ablity to just get 100 hp when ever is just not good balance.
fallow stump
In general this game has pretty bad balancing. It's a fun game n all but it's got loads of balancing issues.
N they're like "oh we don't wanna make it too serious" or whatever they said right?
I forget what it was
runic apex
i think its mainly good but theres some "what are you doing moments"
runic apex
mainly the ironman stuff,not nerfing bucky or spiderman
fallow stump
But healing can be quite through the roof.
And stuff like that
I haven't played in a long time but from my perspective iron man was already in a good enough spot
(I never played him but let's ignore that lol)
lapis aspen
Iron didnt need a buff but he hasnt felt oppressive yet
fallow stump
But something that I guess just makes me raise my eyebrow a lil cus I kinda don't care but they say they don't wanna make it too serious and advanced but then they sorta do in some ways. Like magik is very technically difficult. And stuff like melee cancelling is some tech that you gotta learn for some character n it can make a huge difference.
But like then they said they didn't wanna be serious but they keep melee cancelling n other stuff in which to me seems like the serious stuff they don't want in the game.
runic apex
melee canceling is pretty simple
fallow stump
Well yeah it's not super advanced but its like they make the game out to be a fun game where you don't need to know these things.
runic apex
very few actully benefit, and the ones that did its pretty well known and in magick's case the game outright tells you
fallow stump
But you kinda do if you wanna do better n then it does just get serious with tech n other stuff.
lapis aspen
I don't think anyone dislikes melee cancels or how complicated Magik is
fallow stump
No that's also not my point
They said they wanted a simple n fun game and not make it too serious but then there's complicated characters n some tech that seems pretty serious to me. They'll say "oh we don't wanna balance everything super seriously cus this game isn't that serious" but in some aspects the game is just that serious.
And there's nothing wrong with being that serious or being not that serious
sacred walrus
But something that I guess just makes me raise my eyebrow a lil cus I kinda don'...
i think overall there's only like, 2-3 characters that actually have 'tech' that's really required to play them optimally
fallow stump
But like don't use the seriousness as a reason to not do things or to do do things when it comes to balancing when it is that serious or unserious.
sacred walrus
magik, bp, and then kinda spiderman if you count kinda tricky combos to pull off
fallow stump
But like don't use the seriousness as a reason to not do things or to do do thin...
Think I worded it pretty abstragtly.
sacred walrus
theres a bunch with reload cancels but i don't think they're super critical. even the strange reload cancel is nice but if you watch like tournament vods from the latest MRC you can see many stranges don't even bother
fallow stump
Anywaythe point isn't thay there's serious characters I don't mind that.
The game absolutely has the depth for the "serious" they were talking about not wanting in the game. And then balancing wise they'll make decisions because they don't want the game to be too "serious" but it absolutely already is and/or can be.
But I wouldn't say they've done a bad job
Of course perfection doesn't exist and imo they haven't done a great job. They've done a good job is where I'd put it.
But there's some things that make me raise an eyebrow here n there.
sacred walrus
idk. i think what makes it more opaque isn't really characters with specific combos/tech that you need to know, as much as it is the lack of in-game info for a lot of damage values etc. - especially things like certain ult damage values or numbers for damage amp/damage resistances/etc.
fallow stump
Ah yeah damage numbers would be useful to know I guess.
I think they could see that as the "too serious"theydidnt like
sacred walrus
damage numbers themselves, whatever, you can test those in the sandbox fine. but there's some more annoying ones to test - things like storm's damage/movement buff numbers, both with E and without E active
fallow stump
I deleted the word they after the " two times to put a space there both times I just missed the space bar so I gave up lol
sacred walrus
its a weird mix between "keep things simple/casual" and then also "we tweak these numbers and so they're just going to feel a little qualitatively worse and you have no information on exactly why"
fallow stump
Also part of my rambling is that I really like magik but I'm not as good with her as I'd like so I'm coping :P
fallow stump
its a weird mix between "keep things simple/casual" and then also "we tweak thes...
That's a good way to put what I think I want to say
sacred walrus
ah yeah, bucky is another weird one - specifically, how his primary works. it's a gun but the tooltip also implies it has blowthrough, which it doesn't
fallow stump
There's definitely simplicity and casual and then there's also depth and difficulty in places.
sacred walrus
it instead has a cone-shaped blast originating from the struck targets - but only if it directly hit somebody, it doesn't do a cone if you miss/shoot a wall - that does a little less damage than the shot itself
Fire explosive rounds with his blaster, Roterstern, damaging the target hit and enemies behind them.
which i guess makes sense, but also isn't necessarily the most intuitive - it could easily have just been worded as "near them" or "behind and near them" and would make a little more sense for the aoe it is
cunning nacelle
I really don't think he needed the buff at at, idk they keep buffing unibeam to ...
iron man was just not good since they nerfed the hulk teamup, and they did nerf bucky this patch
sly yew
Hoooooly
green junco
I think the buffs have been fine so far
Compared to other team shooters, they're doing better than others
green junco
> Fire explosive rounds with his blaster, Roterstern, damaging the target hit an...
Thats when you go to the website afterwards and read the detailed stats on the weapon
Which would tell you that it creates a 5 meter 90 degree spellfield behind the enemy it hits which does 65 damage and can't crit
Which I give them props for because most of the popular shooters require people to have to test out new abilities and characters to get an idea for their numbers while Rivals just gives you all the data in a nice website
vast geyser
Sometimes I see the posts here complaining for Spiderman nerfs, and I know I'm not the highest rank, but if even in grandmaster the Spiderman mains I see are all defeated with "ignore his pitiful damage and kill the rest of his team" I think he's fine
teal mist
My problem with Spiderman is that his interactions are usually too binary, he does literally nothing unless he instantly oneshots you
vast geyser
But I also remember the 50 different posts here complaining about how OP Mr fantastic was gonna be. Before he had even released
teal mist
Like not from a power perspective he's not fun to interact with in any way
He's playing his own game and forces it upon you
lapis aspen
Spiderman isnt OP but he is really annoying
Especially if he's going for dragging you into a pit and your warlock or something.
vast geyser
I would say similar is said of Magik and BP too. Magik has charge blade, dash and hit which can all happen at the same instant. BP has spear spear dash dash
teal mist
Magik and BP have to walk their asses to you
Panther can wallrun but it's different
Healing into a Spiderman game is just 'at any moment, if he is alive, he could suddenly be hitting you for like 190'
( That said, Magik is much more potent and probably a better character, but her actually needing to engage with mechanics outside of her own and aiming the knockup makes her completely fine to fight )
lapis aspen
magik is definetly a better hero, but she's also not annoying to fight
Her portals give you oppurtunities to hit her, if you dodge her attacks she doesnt get shield
And if you kill her she isnt instantly back in play after the timers up
runic apex
spiderman has yeah the problem of he is just unfun to fight
He has basicly zero risk of death, and when he does die he just gets back into the fight faster than anyone.
he warps the game around him in a very way that just makes everyone who isnt playing spiderman unhappy
green junco
I don't really feel any worse about playing aganist a spiderman, good or bad. Just means I have to bully him when he peeks his head out
And I don't think there is zero risk of death since no character can really game the revive timer unless you're warlock with his resurrect passive
lapis aspen
he can get back into the fight after dying so quickly, killing him doesnt feel very effective
green junco
I think its map dependent, some rollouts are a lot harder to pull off or take more time
Plus the respawn timer is more than enough to roll off his death to take back point or more kills
runic apex
got another hexa
cunning nacelle
I somehow fluked my way into a Hexa today too lol
cunning nacelle
got another hexa
very nice
fervent pumice
lapis aspen
A good Peni Skin!! At last!
violet ridge
Ooh, I’ve been waiting for both of these
runic apex
also the comp point based on performance is really noticable
green junco
Peach momoko Peni skin lets go
Also the strange skin is pretty sick as per leaks, legendary quality with a lot of cool special effects
steady flame
Oh that is my birthday! I get a killer robot hooray
green junco
The best killer robot
teal mist
Human Torch sure hits like a truck now that his autoattacks don't have lag built in, golly
well his truck-hitting is more accessible i guess just damn
lapis aspen
I don't think I've noticed a Human torch shooting me since he was brand new
teal mist
There may be an uptick, it's real smacky and with the bonus health on the dive you survive slamming in far more often
And ever-so-slightly less killable by spiderman
fervent pumice
soft pollen
That's kind of sick actually.
green junco
Peak
steady flame
Cool
green junco
I think it works like league chromas
Unless they let you pick any color
Like you buy a color palette and swap through them
We don't know the cost or how extensive the pallettes/color options will look like
green junco
My guess is maybe 200 to 300 but no more than 600 by the max since that's the default color swap reference skins
runic apex
who were you playing as
icy cosmos
I've been trying emma frost out
but usually i'm strange
i kinda crumble more or less some matches lol
icy cosmos
runic apex
do you use strange's whip
icy cosmos
i am not aware of what a brawler is
icy cosmos
do you use strange's whip
i do!
intermittently with my like, spell attack
usually i try and alternate when im close enough
runic apex
generally his bread and butter is to Shoot>whip>shoot>whip
for more damage and to build the dark gauge faster
brawler is they stay close and use their defense and health to stay in the fight or to get healing
like fantastic can just go "no u" for a moment to get healedu p
icy cosmos
ahhh, IC
runic apex
thing can just go "nope im not here" into an healer to get healed then jump back into the frontlines
venom is more of a big angery stick
he jumps in angers as much on him then leaves
or slames into backline hoping for a kill if they get surpised enough
icy cosmos
i don't think im using that psychic crystal link thingy on emma enough
and i should probably be popping the crystal form more often
runic apex
its a bit finniky sometimes it just doesn work for me
emma and general is really buggy for me
one around i never landed her grab once despite looking like i did it right
icy cosmos
OK
thats been happening with me too i feel
like there's this delay and then my target gets away from me
runic apex
oh for me its like im touching them but nothing happens
icy cosmos
mmm
runic apex
it could just be a magik like thing i havent noticed yet though ive only played emma like 3 times due to the event
im not much of a tank player i mainly perfer damage usally ranged flankers
vast geyser
its official y'all. I think I may be a bad tank
My general recommendation, without having seen you play or know what you are ranked. Is look behind you more.
Just always good advice on tank
Not for the purposes of enemies but as "Hmm, I want to push up a bit to get on the point. But my two healers are around a corner from me and my ranged dps is trying to 1v1 someone on the other side of the map. Maybe I cannot."
runic apex
one thing a lot of people i think should do in general to get better is to learn every charcter at least at a basic level
it helped me fight against some of them better for example understanding their "stop points" on certain ablities so i know where to aim for some of the more dashy abilies.
vast geyser
fallow stump
@icy cosmos we should play rivals sometime
fallow stump
Could this mean hatsune magik?
fallow stump
i'll have to boop u bout it c:
Yeah I've just been hunting monsies lately
runic apex
have you not seen the punkchild skin?
icy cosmos
Yeah I've just been hunting monsies lately
reasonable. I would join y'all but my puter would implode if i tried running my monsiehunter on it
runic apex
magick's xmen outfit is also the free season pass one
icy cosmos
i kinda wanna upgrade my graphics/cpu just to be able to hunt with y'all lol
fallow stump
have you not seen the punkchild skin?
Yeah but with being able to colour it you can actually make the hair blue
fallow stump
reasonable. I would join y'all but my puter would implode if i tried running my ...
Aw
runic apex
ive gotten better at magik
fallow stump
magick's xmen outfit is also the free season pass one
Huh I thought that one was paid
I swear I checked...
fallow stump
I doubt I've gotten better. I also don't play rivals much at all. Like a few days every month. But I like magik anyway so I'll just be bad with her :3
green junco
Luxury just gives you more currency as you play, it doesn't mean it gives you any extra stuff on the battle pass
There's free, owning the battlepass, and buying the luxury version of the battle pass
No wait I'm equating the boost as a separate thing, my b
sacred walrus
no, for some reason the luxury battlepass is the default one
green junco
Me when confusing naming 
sacred walrus
the skins that are on the top of each page are free - the other skins need you to claim the whole page first, so even if they're not marked luxury you still need to claim any luxury items first
fr
runic apex
i havent bought the pass cause so far nothing has intested me
anytime there is a skin thats good its like "but i don't play that charcter much"
green junco
Honestly the battle passes are pretty worth it just if you get the base battlepass but the reoccurring end page free money for playing make it ever better
sacred walrus
yeah i bought it s1 about 1/3 of the way through, got my 600 gold back (so spent $10 usd, got $6 usd back), and then probably got like ~1500 blue stuff off of the pass itself + the end page
pretty good deal if you have the money
runic apex
unrelated but i like the new map mainly the open area one
green junco
Not quite Fortnite levels where you can get a free battle pass if you play through it all and make enough back to buy a new one, but you can get at least a skin or two out of it on top of all the free stuff
runic apex
have yall ever used jeff's ult defensivly?
green junco
I have before, usually to also grab people offensively to cancel a ult
Or once I caught people who were launched off the map by the edge back when it wasn't a donut
runic apex
i had a bunch of people low on hp right when a think ulted so i just grabbed 3 friends and thing and went behind a wall let them heal then spat them out
sand oracle
I've always wanted to sneakily deliver the whole team into the backline with a coordinated stack
it probably wouldn't be good, but
green junco
I've always wanted to sneakily deliver the whole team into the backline with a c...
what if the dive comp didn't need to use their dive abilities because you bused them into the backline 
runic apex
i actully wonder how well that would work if you planned it out
just eat your team throw them up on the point
have a strange ult right as you do it
sand oracle
I think very poorly unless you could like, also pop luna/mantis ult when coming out
or strange yeah
like I don't really think dumping your entire team in the middle of the enemy usually goes by a name other than 'griefing'
green junco
There's a lot of funny glitch tech you can do with Jeff, like if you hit your ult and get stuck on a roof, the noise annoucement goes off but you won't do the actual grab until you move off the platform, and you get a suprised enemy team eaten
runic apex
well ifts unplanned yeah
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icy cosmos
Lol
teal mist
Fantastic is just brutal against divers now, the knockup and the slow is just so jarring
runic apex
i still hate his counter move
i 100% beleive that he shouldn't be healed while using it or at the very least at a reduced rate.
teal mist
Could make it a little shorter mayb but he's really team reliant
runic apex
it basicly gives him 300 hp for a short while while he can be healed, and if you try to smash thought he he just kills you with a reflect
if you could at least shoot him in the back it would be something
green junco
His counter move is like "HEY LOOK AT ME PLEASE HIT ME" so I just move my cursor and walk past him while he's trying to get in my way lol
runic apex
the issue is less the move in a vaccum but its more of you can bring him to one hp then does the move so his healer can heal him to full. Thats why some sort of healblock or reduction from healers similar to how scarlet phase works i think would be fine.
mild pine
Then while he's standing there not able to do anything you can kill his healer
And when he comes out he'll probably still be low becaus the healer can either concentrate on healing him and die quickly or concentrate on trying to fight you off and not heal Fantastic
green junco
Only confirmed one is squirrel girl, she's in the marvel rivals comic in a swimsuit and her banner was found in the files
I posted a pic up above somewhere
runic apex
while i do still really want gambit, i kinda do hope next season has some more obscure new charcters added, or at least not as supre well known
sacred walrus
he does not have enough
fervent pumice
runic apex
midnight suns and rivals has made me think magik is kinda cool
runic apex
is that rocket
green junco
probably out in the distance
sacred walrus
i've changed my mind - give me a fully shirtless adam warlock skin. no more weird suspender adjacent clothing
green junco
Some other potential skins from the comic
sacred walrus
don't make him decrepit and i'm good with that
runic apex
Some other potential skins from the comic
who is top right dude who looks like vandal savage
green junco
He certainly isn't decrepit for his base model
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unless you mean the guy in the bottom left of the storm pic, then I think its doc strange
green junco
I thought you were saying top right of top right and I was like idk dawg
runic apex
ive heard the top is jubielee but no idea who bottom is
green junco
Punisher
runic apex
wait is it punisher
Midniight suns is a good game in general but its def nice to have charcters i don't know much about in it
violet ridge
midnight sons was so much better than I thought it would be
green junco
Its awesome
teal mist
Gahd 40 seconds is a brutal CD on Soul Bond, I get it's very potent but that's rough to play with
at least Loki has a bunch of cooldowns to play with outside of his heal
wanton salmon
midnight suns and rivals has made me think magik is kinda cool
i definitely reccomend her old origin solo you can get it as a tpb, Magin: illyana and storm
jesus okay you cant get it as a tpb anymore its now like 1k bucks
but its like 5 bucks digital as an epub at least
green junco
(season 2.5 leaked art, for those who weren't aware)
raven summit
Oh, I thought it was season pass stuff.
green junco
Nah that picture is from a leak for 2.5, the playable ultron season
Ultron has been a good guy a few times actually
Like Ultron 12, who reconciled with Hank and was a good guy until Ultron 11 killed him
And Ultron is currently still part of the West Coast Avengers, as he is trying to reconcile for his past sins after merging and unmerging from Hank and his whole Infinity Countdown and All Father stint
raven summit
He was All Father?
green junco
Yeahhhh
Avengers captured Ultron in a vibranium casket reinforced with asgardian runes after Infinity Countdown, and Black Ant (someone ultron was ordering using bug speak), used Timemasters aging ray aganist the casket to try to free him by aging the casket to dust.
It ended up shooting ultron into 2420 and powered him up with asgardian magic. He beacme the all father after taking the power of Odin and obliterating the asgardians and the avengers, creating his own AI avengers
Doctor Doom gathered a bunch of avengers across time and Doom along with three thors and beat him so hard that he got banished form reality
Long story short, the antmen across time removed him from the timestream, almost recreated him on accident, and it was later epxplained that back when hank and ultron were fused and split, ultron split himself in a bunch of simulations to scueed in his goal, mainly being he had no motive. And one of those ultrons joined the west coast as a good guy
raven summit
Ah.
green junco
Ultron is kinda fucky lore wise due to time shenangians and multiple versions being both very different and constantly either fighting or working together
But the current one is pretty cool
West Coast Avengers is still ongoing (next one comes out in May), and the last issue invovled Vision and Ultron fighting due to Ultrons new religion and because hes ultron
The Rivals iteration, based on the leaked voicelines, looks to be leaning genocide machine for the most part rather than the quippy nice guy that is current ultron
Too bad we don't have Hank Pym yet or else he could be doing the reprograming
lilac snow
TBH they could, no need for every character to appear in the story bits to be a playable one
But a bunch of versions of Ultron across continuities are Tony creations instead
green junco
The leaked lore snippets about Ultron say he was made by Hank Pym so we're good on that front
And it's not out of the question for a smart guy like Tony to do some editing within Ultron
unique storm
I love chill Ultron. "Y'know what, fair, I was pretty crazy once."
runic apex
what have you been playing as
icy cosmos
Frost
vast geyser
The secret to Thor is don't 1v1 him
severe zephyr
No no it’ll work this time trust
lapis aspen
Frosts Dimaond form might be decent for fighting Thor if used right
runic apex
id say frost is strong against thor becuse of it
vast geyser
Frosts Dimaond form might be decent for fighting Thor if used right
Any hard cc is really good against him because Thor needs to be constantly spamming abilities to have any durability
lapis aspen
It's not just the CC which is good, it's also the fact he can't drag you. Plus you can do the kick if you need to make distance between the two of you
teal mist
Why are iron fist players like this
I've seen Buckies with this, even wider pink lines.. I truly don't understand, especially on a headshot-wanter
runic apex
i saw a hela that was just a big dot
runic apex
this was comp
it also won the match basicly
We were 100% losing until i just turned it around right there
lapis aspen
nice
runic apex
ive had other hexas before with SG
but this is the only hexa that felt like it was important as both SG hexes are on matches we were kinda stomping them anyways
I usally play SG in ranked but there was just constant spidermen and ironmen
mild pine
jesus chrimby
the moment you weren't getting focused down I knew they were going to regret this
lapis aspen
TIL: Emmas ult can knock witch out of ult but you get to keep 50% ult charge
runic apex
i actully did pretty well with the ult last night, i kinda just sorta sensed when to do it and i usally either got a kill or 2
one round i countered luna's ult with it either killing luna or making her run off in some corner wasting her ult in terms of making a push with it
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By @patcreates_ on Twitter.com
fervent pumice
News skins
runic apex
why cant sg get a good skin but they get good ones all the time
twilit belfry
runic apex
I haven't seen as many winter's since his nerf
but still sick of spiderman
even though i can deal with it as Scarlet pretty well its still really annoying and i see him too often
cunning nacelle
No Twitter links please
runic apex
oh this was the other really good play also from the hexa match
fervent pumice
green junco
no excuses for bad aim now
lilac snow
And also headshots make a funny noise
sour forge
they need to have the halo confetti
fervent pumice
So glad the last patch ended lord farming in Doom matches
runic apex
yeah i heard it was bad
only time i did prof farming in doom was spiderman for knight
fervent pumice
It was
runic apex
I still need to do BP and widow under the category of "charcters i neer want to play after i get knight"
sacred walrus
widow honestly isn't that bad - she's fun to play in qp/lobbies where you're not sweating super hard
its just a kinda brain-off "click on people and watch their health go down", the only sucky part is getting rolled by dive if you can't aim (like me)
green junco
It's just like playing Widowmaker in OW
green junco
XOX leaks found Armor (Vanguard most likely/Melee), Forge (Support/Ranged), Amaranth Hawlut (DPS/Melee?), and Hive (Vanguard?/Melee) with ability names in the files
Oh and White Fox (Support/Melee)
Hive makes sense due to all the references at Hydra and Bucky, Forge is a slam dunk support man pick, Armor is a slam dunk vanguard woman pick
lapis aspen
Do we know which version of Armor? If it's Hisako Ichiki I'm winning big
green junco
Surprised that White Fox and Amaranth are there, both are a little more obscure, coming from Agents of Atlas (Makes sense, team with current Iron Fist and Luna Snow) and Amaranth (New Scarlet Witch apprentice from 2024)
lapis aspen
Suprised they'd let Hive considering he's a Nazi in his most popular version
but maybe it's one of the not Nazi versions
green junco
Do we know which version of Armor? If it's Hisako Ichiki I'm winning big
Most likely going to be Hisako, which would be fun. Ability names seem to indicate a stance change type character like Emma but with 3 forms and an Ult
green junco
Suprised they'd let Hive considering he's a Nazi in his most popular version
I mean technically Hive is a post Nazi Hydra experiment, and if he's so prominent in the Hydra base map, at least a big deal in 2099, which gives him a big gap
He's also a villain regardless without leaning heavy into actual Nazi characters like Red Skull or Arnim Zola (who is also in some of the paintings/posters on the Hydra map)
But yeah I agree that probably a lot of the older big name Hydra characters are out of the question
lapis aspen
Woops I was thinking of Swarm
green junco
Ahhh yeah that makes sense
Hive is a newer character from 2009 as an experiment to reach the "pinnacle and ideals of Hydra" as a untold mass of genetically modified parasites that can merge with someone to dominate their body and mind. It's part of the high council of Hydra
They're also in Agents of Shield as well
I do think adding more Hydra characters that weren't Nazis would be cool, like Gorgon, Madame Hydra, Viper, or even Taskmaster since he was there too at one point
Honestly just want more villains 
runic apex
the other day while working on the gala changes irealized theres no mutant healer
green junco
Yeah we have no x gene mutant healers
We do have mutates, specifically Luna and Cloak and Dagger
mild pine
I wondered why Luna didn't count towards "mutants do damage" thing
runic apex
yeah mutates is diffrent from mutants
green junco
Mutates are people who get powers from exposure to some form or energy or radiation or experimentation or something that isn't the x gene really
Also counts for atlanteans, aliens and artificial life too
lapis aspen
It also gets you units right? which you could use for any skins in the future you might like
green junco
Yeah it gets you both blue and gold currency
And if you get through the whole pass, there's a constantly redeemable blue currency reward for getting enough of the BP money from playing the game
You could make your money back and more with the battle passes in both paid for and in game converted currency
lapis aspen
It's a more efficient way of gaining in game currency, but that only really matters if you were going to purchase in game currency anyway
runic apex
im gonna get 3 knights today jeff,ironman, and peni
mild pine
I picked up the bobble head emote for the thing today
fervent pumice
sacred walrus
thank the lord they're fixing ranked elo gain
i don't have to deal with infinite moon knight ults
runic apex
My thought about groot, is groot the problem or is it that emma was added another tank with a shield
sacred walrus
groot was an S tier tank in s1, i don't think emma is the problem
runic apex
i think i read elo gain was based on your performance compared to other people with the same char
groot wasnt as banned as in s1 i don't think
sacred walrus
tank pick/bans in the MRC were generally like - magneto, strange, groot
runic apex
banned as much i mean
sacred walrus
by the end of the season, super consistent ban in GM+
mostly just i think people got a lot better about playing with his walls
runic apex
i think that could be it too yeah
i don't really have much issue with him but then again the chars i use mainly are good against him.
sacred walrus
i think the other part is that he combos super well w/ a couple of the other S tier heroes in s1
like namor ult is decent on its own, same with namor himself. but then groot ult + namor ult and namor + luna teamup does funny things like instakill through support ults
runic apex
namor lost the team up with luna
sacred walrus
yeah, i mean s1
runic apex
but yeah namor's ult can oneshot supports if they are under 200 hp when it lands or if the center lands
sacred walrus
yes, but the problem is the center thing - it's pretty much impossible to center it on good players w/o CC
runic apex
yeah
sacred walrus
in s2 idk namor's being played in invitationals but only in specific comps, and i think the meta rn has more of an RPS setup
runic apex
I think namor is slightly overrated
Is he good? yes, is he the anti dive god people say he is? no
sacred walrus
he definitely wasn't in s1, but i think he might be in s2, its hard to say. i think part of the strength is that if you just ban the right tanks/dps you can make it free elo
runic apex
the beam does change things yeah
sacred walrus
beam is for sure worse synergy, regardless of if its a better/worse direct effect
runic apex
i think people say its stronger than the luna one
sacred walrus
namor+hulk+iron man was seeing a decent bit of play in the recent invitationals i was watching, but that's also bc it was running 3 bans + 2 picks for each team, and so teams could easily start carving out mag + groot super quick
and like, frost / mag / torch / iron man was putting up insane numbers but it was also mirror matches - bc both teams would ban hela/etc. to make sure torch + iron man could go nuts
runic apex
ive run into a decent ammount of ironman when ive played comp some and usally went scarlet to deal with it
sacred walrus
yeah, it's also map dependent. scarlet witch has a much harder time dealing with iron man on djalia (wakanda payload map) point 1 due to the skybox being so high, for example
but scarlet witch can farm iron man a lot harder if the room comes down
idk. the only standouts im seeing in pro play getting banned are rocket + adam
rocket everybody seems to universally just not want to play into? since rocket ult buffed was so strong. and adam i think to hamstring triple support
i do really wonder how ultron will shake things up as a strategist, especially if his kit counters dive like leaks say it will, and if he gets a good team-up
teal mist
giving Rocket a good ult and burst healing was.. certainly a choice
sacred walrus
it's crazy. if you spot the amp going up and you have comms you can melt it
runic apex
from the leaks i saw i ultron looks it would buff dive not nerf it
sacred walrus
but if that amp's been up for more than 2s, run
runic apex
how much hp does the amp have
teal mist
800
sacred walrus
it's very meltable (though no headshot hurts some heroes), but if you don't have comms/the enemy is also shooting at you, sometimes you just have to wait it out - you can't stand there to shoot it
i think its a really good offensive support ult bc of that. if you're already kinda winning the fight it can lock it in
teal mist
also tough for melee folks, and the whole time you're shooting it they're shooting you, and it doesn't stop him from doing his whole gameplan, just slap it down
sacred walrus
but it's not good at a last-ditch effort, bc it's not the immortality of luna/invis
runic apex
SG can destroy it pretty quickly
teal mist
honestly i feel like his healing changes are stronger
sacred walrus
its crazy they buffed basically his whole kit save for BRB
teal mist
i hope they don't nerf his mobility more, i love that part of his stuff
but i could see him being toned down/readjusted
sacred walrus
i think his mobility is a good place rn tbh
runic apex
if the ult is a problem it might be good to wait a bit or lower its hp
sacred walrus
he's not fucking immortal like he used to be
but he's still more than capable of backing up quickly
teal mist
also i see the internet is back to loathing Iron Fist
'he bursts healers so fast' is still the funniest thing i see about 'em
runic apex
i have no issues with the current version of iron fist
sacred walrus
i think iron fist + spiderman are always gonna be the ones everybody hates
i dont think either of them are broken rn but by god are they annoying to fight
runic apex
i hate spiderman so much
teal mist
i'd probably hate spiderman more if i played 250 hp folks
that seems deeply unpleasant
runic apex
i legit think he just needs to get reworked he is just unfun for everyone except spiderman
sacred walrus
yeah, i don't think they need nerfs but by god are they annoying
runic apex
i think spiderman just needs to be reworked to a less "only the person playing spiderman is haviung fun"
teal mist
at least with Iron Fist you can just outplay the block
too many people are learning that
runic apex
i think it would be fair to think about giving the block a cap
teal mist
it's so short i think it's fine tbh
he doesn't get to waddle around like Fantastic with it
sacred walrus
with iron fist & black panther, they get deleted if your team is competent / your strategists have CC
runic apex
i somewhat dislike a good bp, but i also don't see bp that often compared to spiderman and if they mess up their combo they are dead
spiderman however has like 30 escape plans
sacred walrus
spiderman is more annoying to me specifically because i don't like the 1-1 trade any half competent spiderman spams - i feel like they read once "since you get back faster its OK to die more" and then proceeded to make their entire gameplan around suicide bomb comboing the luna
teal mist
I saw someone try to say spidermans dive is easy to counter because he goes in a straight line
And like man he's going Mach 3
From literally any direction
runic apex
spiderman's respawn time is longer than his walk back time
sacred walrus
a good spiderman obviously doesn't just 1-1 trade all the time but its just an annoying "what if this took longer" thing otherwise
sacred walrus
spiderman's respawn time is longer than his walk back time
yeah sure but it also doesn't mean its great value, y'know?
like yes if you can get a kill and then trade another one, sick
runic apex
thats my poaint
he can die what 2-3 times and still get back into the fight a 4th time before any base speed charcters
sacred walrus
yeah but idk i never really feel like he's doing all that much when he does so
like, compared to a good torch (torch buff goes crazy) when your team isn't countering him - wayy more efficient at killing an out of position healer w/o dying for it
runic apex
i thoought about what if they made his webs and webshot share resource
its less about effectiveness for me but annoyance
teal mist
Torch is kind of insane, why him damage like that
It's fun but sometimes feels evil
Being able to aim must make it go crazy
runic apex
idk they wanted to give 2 of the fliers temp hp
teal mist
That dive still needs some sort of damn range indicator
It has like a height requirement that it doesn't mention
teal mist
I play him when I need range and he just melts people
sacred walrus
Being able to aim must make it go crazy
fr LOL
teal mist
Tanks begone
sacred walrus
his shotgun blast is crazy good damage if you hit heads, its weird, i never expected that
teal mist
'Iron fist counters fliers' yeah unless he takes two of these shots
runic apex
i put iron fist in the list of things that people complain about because the charcters that best deal with it people call them low skill
SG and scarlet both do pretty good against him
now old ironfist def was worst for either one
but the new one's lower dps
teal mist
Yeah I could see why season 0 he was annoying
Everyone just dropped from above pre-charged to one-shot a healer and leave
Now he's a proper brawler
sacred walrus
new one is strictly more DPS?
runic apex
less damage against non tanks
sacred walrus
no, he has the exact same damage against 275 hp targets & marginally more against everybody else (but only noticeably against tanks)
runic apex
1.7% of 250 is 4 which is less than the 9 he lost, and the more recent change went from 10 to 9 but its 2.1 now
so it gets 5 addedonto the 9
so he with the rightclick block move does 19 down to 14 than before
raven summit
I love Spidey!
But I guess he is kind of annoying to play against.
I don't necessarily think he's the menace everyone thinks he is.
cunning nacelle
You haven't encountered a really good Spidey then
runic apex
2nd most banned charcter not out of power but just annoyance
towrds the end of the last season he was the most banned
cunning nacelle
Someone who can really nail the one shot combo + his movement can essentially make him uninteractable a lot of the time
It's just that skill ceiling is very high
runic apex
even on matches wherei shut him down i don't enjoy fighting him cause its like fighting a fly that can come back every 4 seconds
raven summit
I'm also trying to main Spidey. So if it was somehow me... I'm just doing my job.
runic apex
i think the voice actor for emma frost is going to be vocing a sofa in the date everything game
runic apex
I did think about how there is a good chance some voice lines might be removed in the future
usally ones mentioning how X isnt here etc
green junco
I might be a weird outlier but I like fighting spideys
lilac snow
usally ones mentioning how X isnt here etc
It'd be funny if they kept them in the game for when X just isn't selected
green junco
Mostly because I like seeing him swing around and divebomb people, and because he's easy to hit on his swings once you feel their rhythm
runic apex
It'd be funny if they kept them in the game for when X just isn't selected
or just have the charcter go "wait what"
part of it for me is just how often i see spiderman
he is the most played duelist currently
green junco
Of course he is, he's both spiderman, and a high skill expression character
And unlike genji in OW, most of the characters in rivals can go far and don't suffer from blizzard overcorrecting people into being throw picks
Genji during his prime was nasty af
Wait no genji is a bad comparsion
Sombra or Pharah when they were in their primes
runic apex
violet ridge
Man rivals has so many character leaks that it wraps around to feeling like I know less
runic apex
im still gonna keep hoping for gambit
runic apex
the new ghostrider's weapon is pretty neat but it feels too simlar to reeds in a way
runic apex
one thimg im really curious about i havent tried testing to see how dashing interacts with scarlet's orb
runic apex
does anyone want to test it?
sacred walrus
magik dash gets stuck in it, magic stepping disc tp phases it
runic apex
spiderman zip and bp dash?