Rascal, Sleeper, Mania, Gwenom, Flash Thompson (the least obscure).
#Mahvel Rivals baby
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violet ridge
There’s so many leaked characters it’s likely some are just concepts in files who won’t get in
violet ridge
Emma/jean, deadpool/hitmonkey, c.marvel/ultron and blade/hood feel like the most likely ones to come first
violet ridge
Gwenom will be a skin when spider Gwen is added
raven summit
I think Gwenom would work as the base character if they wanted to make her a vanguard.
twilit meadow
I mean Loki is a major MCU character
You missed the part where I thought they were saying which characters already in game were obscure picks
I didn't see anything in the immediate conversation to suggest otherwise, and they hadn't replied to an older message or anything either
violet ridge
Agent cenom and red goblin feel like the most likely of the obscure symbioses to see
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A lot of my picks aren't obscure.
violet ridge
But I think we’d see carnage first
violet ridge
A lot of my picks aren't obscure.
Who are they?
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M'Baku, Okoye, Kurt, Gambit, Miles, Kingpin, Laura, Carnage...
timber garnet
You missed the part where I thought they were saying which characters *already* ...
My bad
violet ridge
You want kingpin as vanguard or tactician?
timber garnet
Apologies, I didn't mean the original message to be so pointed
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...
twilit meadow
Apologies, I didn't mean the original message to be so pointed
You're good
twilit meadow
M'Baku, Okoye, Kurt, Gambit, Miles, Kingpin, Laura, Carnage...
Honestly I'd kill for more Wakandan characters in general
raven summit
He has to be a vanguard, but him throwing money at people as a strategist would be funny.
twilit meadow
Hell, we've already got an in-game depiction of Shuri
violet ridge
Killmonger git some popularity
twilit meadow
He has to be a vanguard, but him throwing money at people as a strategist would ...
"I'll pay ya 20 bucks to not shoot that guy"
"This is Yggsgard, puny mortal, your money is worthless here... But yes, fine"
lapis aspen
You want kingpin as vanguard or tactician?
Kingpin support with like 400 health is a kind of funny concept
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Blackcat, Superior Octopus, She-Hulk, Vulture, Electro, Anansi...
Maybe one of Storm's kids from the future.
lapis aspen
Doc Ock but you play the tentacles not the man
timber garnet
Is that Bast
lilac snow
For obscure picks... Claw, Dazzler, Fin Fang Foom, Harpy
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I'm here for Fin Fang Foom!
sand kelp
Black Panther sharing a team with Claw would be very tense lmao
timber garnet
Nova
lilac snow
Thought about Zola or Zemo but IDK if they count as obscure after they got decent MCU screentime
timber garnet
Nova is my obscure pick
lilac snow
(Claw and Dazzler did get film screentime but not a lot)
timber garnet
Starfox
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Ohhh. That is obscure.
wanton salmon
There’s so many leaked characters it’s likely some are just concepts in files wh...
a bunch might also be models or lines for events, like dracula or doom
timber garnet
(Aka Thanos's brother who Fucks)
lilac snow
I'm here for Fin Fang Foom!
Fin Fang Foom
Pros: A classic rogue, dragons are cool, name is fun to say
Cons: Is fucking huge
wanton salmon
can make a small one easy, alt universe fin fang goom
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Have him be shrunk down because of time stuff, and he gets big as his ult.
wanton salmon
can either go comedic "WHY ARE YOU ALL SO SMALL" foom you are from a mini universe
sand kelp
Also, like, original GOTG members would be fun too. Not '08 Guardians
We're talking Charlie, Martinex, Starhawk, Vance Astro
wanton salmon
or serious and have him be like fin fang fooms kid or something
raven summit
Wasn't the Thing on the GOTG?
timber garnet
Fin Fang Foom is in the GotG game
lilac snow
I also thought about Red Skull b/c he's just so hammy but he'd be way too fashie-bait
sand kelp
or serious and have him be like fin fang fooms kid or something
Fin Fang Foomior
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Onslaught.
timber garnet
Red Skull is best as a framing device imo
Plus yeah that
He's the villain that no other villain likes
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Kitty Pryde, but she has the little dragon dude with her, and ye has a gun.
wanton salmon
i hope we get more dps combo characters
sand kelp
Also, Claw is in a similar sphere of despicable but he can get along with others at least
wanton salmon
whose tank or stratagist abilities happen naturally as part of their kit, to trick dps into being team players
raven summit
I believe the Thing is married to Thor's sister.
wanton salmon
Kitty Pryde, but she has the little dragon dude with her, and ye has a gun.
honestly i hope we get modern older pirate kitty
violet ridge
a bunch might also be models or lines for events, like dracula or doom
I think doom will show up eventually but Dracula’s def just going to be background for now
soft pollen
Absorbing man would be cool but I don't know how they'd pull him off.
lilac snow
I believe the Thing is married to Thor's sister.
Ben is married? Dang
timber garnet
Doom is too iconic to be related to solely a narrative role imo
violet ridge
I believe the Thing is married to Thor's sister.
Wait did they drop his relationship with his blind wife?
wanton salmon
sand kelp
Also, hand to God. I Want Morbius. Not a joke or a bit
violet ridge
I always liked those two together
wanton salmon
timber garnet
Also, hand to God. I Want Morbius. Not a joke or a bit
He is in the setting
lilac snow
Oh! Super-skrull
timber garnet
Spiderman references him
wanton salmon
older kitty rules so hard
sand kelp
If they do Ghost Rider, putting Blackheart in with him would be fun as well
timber garnet
Though you probably already know that
violet ridge
Be a fun skin
sand kelp
This fucks so hard
timber garnet
Morbius as an anti-Dracula vampire
timber garnet
Given he's a scientific vampire
violet ridge
I wonder what they’d do with black heart
wanton salmon
lilac snow
Okay Ben gets married to Alicia Masters and they adopt two alien orphan kids
timber garnet
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Wait did they drop his relationship with his blind wife?
I was mistaken.
sand kelp
Healer Morbius would be my dream
wanton salmon
I wonder what they’d do with black heart
probably modern blackheart where he is a hot guy, but an au version, who can go monstermode easily as an install or ult
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timber garnet
If they add Morbius. A Morbin Time joke is inevitable
Like
It's practically bound to his character now
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Honestly, there are so many cool X-Men picks they can be their own game.
lilac snow
Could say the same for Avengers TBH
sand kelp
probably modern blackheart where he is a hot guy, but an au version, who can go ...
Yeah, he's Very easy to make into a bishounen kinda Hot Dangerous Man type, which would contrast well with him turning into Pitch Black Spike Man
lilac snow
Oh hey Black Knight looks rad
timber garnet
The Avengers weren't widely known until the MCU started iirc
While they are basically A-Listers now they weren't always that way
raven summit
The Avengers are just kind of pieces of other teams tho.
Betty Captain Britain as a tank.
Or an off tank.
I want Apocalypse, but the modern more heroic mentor version.
lilac snow
The Avengers weren't widely known until the MCU started iirc
I knew about them before IM1 but maybe I'm a weirdo here
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Seeing him trying to have a dying mutant kid hold on till they get him a healer was nice.
timber garnet
I knew about them before IM1 but maybe I'm a weirdo here
They weren't super obscure but they also weren't mainline heroes
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Exodus maybe.
sand kelp
My favorite guy prior to Iron Man 1 was Spider Man but that's like saying Coke is your favorite soda
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That be a good tank.
timber garnet
Like Iron Man was a character the average comic book reader knew, but outside of that not many knew him
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I think his name is Exodus.
sand kelp
I think his name is Exodus.
The crusader fella?
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lilac snow
Like Iron Man was a character the average comic book reader knew, but outside of...
I also feel weird about this factoid because I remember his TV show too
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Yeah.
lilac snow
It's not just from you, I hear it a lot
But it shared an hour block with the F4 show!
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Mystique and Destiny.
sand kelp
I just like the design shift into the 21st century. I remember what he Used to look like, and while I'm not huge on everyone getting out of tights, Iron Man's armor looking more like armor turned out to be better for him, shocker lol
sand kelp
No, ppl liked it, it just wasn't Big
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Destiny might be hard to implement.
lilac snow
It was not as good as the Spider-Man or X-Man shows that were running at the same time
runic apex
the more recent ironman show was really good
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But Mystique has more powers than i realized. Apparently she can copy certain mutations.
lilac snow
cause i at least see the F4 show someetimes
Part of this I think is because RDJ became the go-to for Iron Man memes but F4 is kinda up in the air, you can use all the stuff equally
sand kelp
Armored Adventures Fucks and more people should say it.
Unironically that show has so many character designs that run circles around their original incarnations
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She can change herself at the genetic level and replicate powers that way. But only to a limited extent.
lilac snow
TBH that felt like power creep, the perfect disguise was really cool on its own. But whatevs
I guess probably added to get around "hey __ use your power so we know you're not Mystique"
violet ridge
Yeah, he's Very easy to make into a bishounen kinda Hot Dangerous Man type, whic...
Could go full shonen and make hot guy the install
runic apex
i feel like depending on the power i could see it being pretty senseable
simlar powers
violet ridge
Mystique would be a fun spy character
teal mist
Spy is harder to swing in 6v6 of this style
runic apex
i don't think spy is good design just in general
lilac snow
Counterpoint: It would be really funny
teal mist
Spy without an Engineer would feel just.. wrong somehow, that type of play needs a much slower pace and whatall
lilac snow
Like maybe don't include instakill backstab
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Maybe give her some 2099 tech. Or focus on yer doing things like growing extra limbs and stuff.
Focus on body horror.
wanton salmon
i kind of hope ultron gets engineer tech
(id make him a dps and give him 3 charges of "summin ultron armour", which heal the nrarest allie or shoot the nearest enemy, last 4 minutes, and when you die you destroy all but one and become one with 50hp remaining)
wanton salmon
ooooo
supple heron
Oh hey Black Knight looks rad
yo black knight would be dope!
wanton salmon
i hope they give black knight his alicorn
supple heron
his ult could be him doing a cavalry charge
wanton salmon
or his regular mount is his motorbike and his ult swaos it for his alicorn
he, valkerie and hell rider can be mount buddies
supple heron
THEIR TEAM UP IS CALLED RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES
twilit belfry
violet ridge
I like leader villains as strategists
sand kelp
ultron being a strategist is a fantastic choice, bc well. he's About strategy
glass pollen
wasnt aware there was a giant horned squirrel
sand kelp
that'd be Ratatoskr, a known adversary of Squirrel Girl and genuine existential threat
glass pollen
uh, squirrel girl being enemies with another big squirrel
I mean I find it weird considering she is actually friends with Galactus
twilit belfry
I need more disruptor-type strategists
green junco
They're like friends now sorta
Like an ally within Unbeatable Squirrel Girl
But they did fight for a while
It would be really cool if she was one of those lesser known characters they pull in as a vanguard
potent adder
I just got MVP three games in a row as Mr Fantastic this character was made for me
violet ridge
I think they’ll be story only
wanton salmon
wasnt aware there was a giant horned squirrel
not just a marvel character either, ratatoskr is up there in the origional norse/scandinavian myths
potent adder
I just got MVP three games in a row as Mr Fantastic this character was made for ...
MAKE THAT 4 BABY
green junco
MAKE THAT 4 BABY
twilit belfry
You know what'd be really cool
If Magneto's ult didn't CANCEL ITSELF when shot too much
runic apex
that is stupid
teal mist
Should make Luna's ult cancel itself if it heals too much, can't have things being too good at the thing they're intended to do apparently
twilit belfry
that is stupid
The idea or the fact that mag ult can be overload
green junco
Punisher ult deletes it
teal mist
it can absorb 800 damage iirc
twilit belfry
Punisher ult deletes it
Yeah
teal mist
if you're quick it can be a pretty hilarious answer to it
but you have to throw INSTANTLY
green junco
And it does chunk
twilit belfry
I propose we make it take more to overload
green junco
Im kinda fine with it rn if that's weird at all
Like I feel auto throwing is kinda really goated
And I don't get overloaded often
Unless I pop it during punisher ult
sour forge
it's just weird and unintuitive that it happens at all
green junco
The interaction doesn't happen often but I like the ability to counter play it
twilit belfry
We should give more ults counterplay
I cannot stand that luna's best counterplay is Iron Man ult
teal mist
It does feel great to drag/push someone out of the Ult
Maybe make her not move 200% faster or w/e while actively dancing
teal mist
Maybe confusing that with Mantis'
teal mist
Yeah I've actually seen a few of them go down to pure DPS instead of just a desperate Iron Man
runic apex
its pretty hard to
green junco
Jarvis clip this shit
twilit belfry
A lot of the AoE damage ults seems to have the counterplay of shoot the guy
runic apex
i think psylock is the one hardest to actully deal with
iron man you can either block or, or at least scatter to reduce its effect
twilit belfry
Psylocke is bunch up your team, even then, it does suck that you still basically lose the teamfight
twilit meadow
Horrible Mysterio ult idea: friendly fire gets turned on and all character models are replaced with Mysterio
severe zephyr
Your honor, I mean, Galacta - the 11k was possible and I’m sure you understand
celest wadi
Horrible Mysterio ult idea: friendly fire gets turned on and all character model...
I was thinking of this for Emma Frost
Though I think “control an enemy character for a few seconds, Emma gets run by a bot for that time” would be interesting
twilit meadow
Interesting, but maybe not practical
runic apex
yeah i don't think they would be fun to interact with
mild pine
twilit belfry
I have learned a good way to get a 2nd strategist
If the game does not have a 2nd strategist, play any hero that isn't a strategist and wait until someone switches
twilit belfry
Horrible Mysterio ult idea: friendly fire gets turned on and all character model...
Mad funnier if all of the sounds become the allied voice lines, so the "Pulse Charge" voice lines plays and the team has to remember if they have an iron man or not
twilit meadow
If the game does not have a 2nd strategist, play any hero that isn't a strategis...
Genuinely this works way better than it should
sand kelp
never underestimate the power of "fuck it, i'll do it myself then"
twilit meadow
Me swapping to Magik halfway through a match when our other 4 duelists are going 2/8
twilit belfry
never underestimate the power of *"fuck it, i'll do it myself then"*
"You want heals? Be the healer, I'm not gonna baby sit your asses and hear yall whine that I wasn't healing."
vast geyser
I have learned a good way to get a 2nd strategist
Funnily enough I have the opposite problem
Ever since invisible woman came out every game I get two healers insta locked in
I have been on Thor/Strange duty for a while now because I can't play Loki
Snowbunny hypnotism is real
twilit belfry
Snowbunny hypnotism is real
That's a new term, lemme just...
vast geyser
lol
hexed niche
Twitter
sand kelp
this is me with venom
twilit belfry
Time to wait for the hellfire gala outfits
lapis aspen
I really love how all of Reed's lines are about like "you gotta fight smart, that's how you win" then his actual fighting style is to punch people and push his chest up really big
sand kelp
he punches people the smartest, you see
vast geyser
The rubber brain has done a number on him
teal mist
never underestimate the power of *"fuck it, i'll do it myself then"*
The true power of Loki's Ultimate
bitter yoke
Snowbunny hypnotism is real
Hey, the Mod tem would appreciate if you didn't use language like this on server.
dense wolf
Hulk's pretty cool. I was initially turned off because I was trying to play him exactly like Dva, but I'm turning around on the guy.
sly yew
Who's the big guy on the left?
twilit belfry
sly yew
AHAHAHAA
glass pollen
mild pine
Who's the big guy on the left?
Not sure, but he sure is big!
green junco
steady flame
The cuts to dead Iron Fist are immaculate
sly yew
So the reason "we" dislike wolverine more than we dislike daredevil...is just cause in wolverine's case it's genetic?
severe zephyr
Who’s we?
twilit belfry
So the reason "we" dislike wolverine more than we dislike daredevil...is just c...
What cyan said
sly yew
The humans from the marvel universe
runic apex
never underestimate the power of *"fuck it, i'll do it myself then"*
this is why i started one tricking SG in ranked
sly yew
Like there's so many super powered characters 
but you literally have hate groups who hunt mutants
sly yew
The humans from the marvel universe
@twilit belfry
vast geyser
Largely the reasoning is "it moves the plot forward" in xmen
I think xmen work best when they are contained to themselves and not as much part of the larger marvel narrative
sly yew
well, it does makes Magneto feel more sympathetic either way
green junco
Honestly depends on the writer
Sometimes it's like written poorly and sometimes its great
twilit belfry
The Rivals Magneto is the version of magneto that cares about mutants more than hating on humans
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twilit meadow
Like there's so many super powered characters <:vicksyThink:996566524225663086> ...
I feel like a good comparison here is how cis folks can access exactly the same medications and other gender-affirming care as trans folks, while not receiving any of the hate or prejudice
teal mist
The Mutant Treatment is tragically true to life
Also Moon Knight's ult might start a little quick for how impactful it is now, lordt
if you aren't already dashing during the 'MOOON-' you die
glass pollen
probably needs to be more expensive the ult
teal mist
I think almost every ult in the game could use that treatment tbh but this is a noted highlight
twilit meadow
Especially compared to Darkchild where I get splatted if I'm not VERY careful
runic apex
darkchild should get extra hp
if STORM can get some
dakrchild should
storm doesnt even need it
your not gonna killer her while she is in it
teal mist
Half the time I don't want to Darkchild because it makes the whole team turn around and focus you
easier to just dash in and implode a healer quicklike
runic apex
i think magik just needs buffs outright
teal mist
Her winrate is solid so it's hard to track
like her actual kit is very strong
just the ult is sort of weird
runic apex
shes way to frail for a melee charcter
iron fist has self heal and a block, wolverine has more hp and has a big health boost for him
severe zephyr
Yeah she’s doing very well
teal mist
I do think Darkchild starting with 100 bonus health wouldn't be wild
Like i still don't understand why spiderman gets a Healer Deletion Grenade that also gives stun immunity and 250 hp, I get he's immobile, but he's also actively stunning you
it should do one or the other, stun, or oneshot healers
i get his moment-to-moment gameplay is tough
but that thing is stupid
hexed niche
iron fist has self heal and a block, wolverine has more hp and has a big health ...
I’m gonna be honest Magik is normally significantly harder to kill then Iron fist
Her healing is more proactive and she’s fully immune to damage while teleporting
Iron fist only gets his health after killing someone so it’s a lot easier to kill him before he gets the chance
He also has his E but that just kinda makes him a sitting duck if not used in cover (and sometimes while within cover)
lapis aspen
Magik also moves around a lot
Keeping your aim on her compared to a iron fist is much more difficult
sly yew
as a tank wolverine scares the shit ou of me
I dont see enough Magik players for them to make me worried
lapis aspen
Wolverine is scary af, because you'll be trying to heal a tank and suddenly he appears and it's like I can't heal that fast
compact brook
indeed
i just had a game against a scary competent wolverine and we had to go 4 dps and 2 healers to counter him
lapis aspen
As I get better at putting people to sleep he gets less frightening though
as it turns from "AHHH" to, just tag and get him into nap time everyone turns around and he's gone
fervent pumice
Twitter
Giving Chinese themed skins to every character but the one who's actually Chinese lol
compact brook
i finally did it LORD THOR
supple heron
LETS GOOOO
violet ridge
https://www.videogamer.com/news/marvel-rivals-devs-promise-a-new-hero-every-mont...
This is 8 a year which is the rate I was expecting
twilit meadow
Really? That's a pretty insane pace imo
supple heron
well there’s the benefit that marvel already has a plethora of characters ready to go
so it’s easier to develop than say an over watch hero from scratch
fervent pumice
They've also probably finished "making" most of them and just waiting for when to release them.
violet ridge
Really? That's a pretty insane pace imo
same as rainbow six siege
lilac snow
I remember season 1-3 league
Where the release cadence at its fastest was a character every 2 weeks
One would be on PTB as another was hitting live
hexed niche
Genuinely shocked they kept that pace for so long tbh
lilac snow
Not all of them were fully cooked TBH
hexed niche
True
lilac snow
Looking at the list you can see a few streaks of like 4 champs in a row who got reworks later on
Though esp to passives, there were a bunch of undercooked passives
teal mist
And somehow even at a slower pace they still ended up making Rengar Like That :Tc
(And khazix and Zoe and yuumi and prob some others )
Newfolk in Marvel feel pretty balanced, though
lilac snow
No, OG Rengar and Khazix were in that era
teal mist
Ahh
violet ridge
was og rengar a mess?
severe zephyr
(And khazix and Zoe and yuumi and prob some others )
FWIW none of those characters were from that era
teal mist
That's what I mean, they had slowed down by then, but i was wrong and rengar and kha
cunning nacelle
RE: Magik, she has a pretty high skill ceiling and can straight up one tap supports from up to 16m away if you get even her basic combos down
There's a lot going for her
cunning nacelle
I think the last champ on that schedule was Quinn
iirc yes
sly yew
hi Briar 
cunning nacelle
Heyo
violet ridge
so we'll likely see 10 characters total this year since the ff seem to be double the amount for a regular season
I wonder which 6 of the leaked characters will comprise the other
blade, ultron, emma and jean feel the most likely soon ish, no idea who they'd package them with though
and hopefully it'd be 1dulist+1vangaurd/support (alternating) each season
runic apex
ultron is a support
violet ridge
yeah, so hopefully he'll be with a dps, who knows who that might be though
could be supervillain themed season, or avengers themed season
lilac snow
Who do you think Ultron would team with?
cunning nacelle
I'd be baffled if we didn't see at least some big name characters entering the ring this year - Cyclops, Professor X, Deadpool, Miles and Daredevil are all on my checklist
sand kelp
Iron Man maybe? Or Scarlet Witch? Maybe Reed but that's uh. Stretching it
violet ridge
they might introduce a villain like modok to aid him
I'd prefer if modok was support though
twilit meadow
Who do you think Ultron would team with?
Long call: Peni as the anchor, giving Ultron some spider drones
teal mist
I'd be baffled if we didn't see at least some big name characters entering the r...
I love Miles but have a deep fear of introducing Another Spider Man into this game, supports need at least a 5 second window to breathe
runic apex
i think miles does suffer from being a spiderman simlar to peter parker
maybe he could be a skin with actual voice lines?
teal mist
I think they've given him a deep enough powerset by this point, all venom-lightning-y and whatnot
plus being like chosen by spidergod and.. somehow making electricity a sword
cunning nacelle
I love Miles but have a deep fear of introducing Another Spider Man into this ga...
Spiderman...2!!!!
teal mist
like trying to fight a nest of wasps
violet ridge
venom strike and invisibility given him enough to become unique
lilac snow
Spiderman...2!!!!
For Rivals would be like Spiderman 4
teal mist
I always forget the invisible
cunning nacelle
For Rivals would be like Spiderman 4
Lmao
violet ridge
jean/emma with the x-manor as a map feels like it would be a fun season
we'll probably get an age of apocalypse and/or days of future past map eventually as well
compact brook
he would
supple heron
i’m just a sucker for good dads in media.
supple heron
fair
lilac snow
I heard he's a pretty cool husband/dad once he's in his dad era
Really it's his Mister Incredible track record that's spotty
lilac snow
Also yeah like Ultimate Reed sucks, other interdimensional Reeds are a crapshoot, etc
violet ridge
it's very depending on the writer
supple heron
comics, the ultimate too many cooks scenario
glass pollen
Twitter
violet ridge
rivals is struggling to run for me jeez
violet ridge
it constantly just gets to 99% loading and then stops
runic apex
thats due to hardrive
violet ridge
I can hear the countdown and all but it takes like over a minute
runic apex
if you can put it on an ssd
timber garnet
it constantly just gets to 99% loading and then stops
I have a similar issue
runic apex
i did that and it stopped it
timber garnet
And I have it on an SSD
violet ridge
it is on an ssd
runic apex
really odd
since i put it on an ssd i never had that happen ever again
maybe try verify files
i might work on doing comp tomrrow
im just gonna onetrick SG again
mild pine
I wish SG had an interaction thing with a vanguard
I like cross role interactions because it encourages people to play the different roles
mild pine
Vanguards like to have synergies with other vanguards. Thor and Cap, Peni and Venom, Strange and Hulk. Only Magneto doesn't and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets one in the future.
violet ridge
I did pretty well with peni as well, I seem to like the ranged tanks for whatever reason
runic apex
i think with her ult buff i think she is in the perfect spo tnow
shes also very declate if they ever do something to her primary
it does 110 per hit and blockade does 35
violet ridge
and it's doing it again, just taking over a minute to go over 99 even past the game starting
runic apex
35+110+110 is 255 just enough to kill 250 charcters
6 less damage from either would be a massive nerf to her
actully 3 less damage from her primary would ruin her as crazy as that sounds
glass pollen
and she is arguably the best building destroyer
high bullet damage, no dropoff
and even bounces
glass pollen
since she can just 2 3 tap the nest and probably by the time the stuns of hers wear off peni has to run away or die
runic apex
when it comes to damage i think she really is multirole
she can flank, she can be anti flank, anti deployable
glass pollen
I tend to position myself close to the healers
doesnt really hamper being in the backline so long you hit the stuns
runic apex
i oftne try ot kill enemy healer
glass pollen
I did challenge sometimes moonknights that though they were hidden
stun shoot and they are running scrambling
god I hate them
mild pine
:3
glass pollen
respectfully, fuck you
Im the healer a lot of the time so I am the one that is bullied by them
mild pine
To be fair I tend to try and hit out people like Hela and Hawkeye first, because fuck those guys. Then you mess with the healers.
runic apex
this is one time i flanked with SG
team went with the portal strat because of how far away the point is i thought "what if i don't go though the portal"
mild pine
It is good to do that
At least one not taking the portal, either to keep people looking the first direction or to come in after and flank real good.
violet ridge
you rarely get the healers you need huh
cunning nacelle
Yeah, but healer is at least fun in this game
violet ridge
ugh, everytime I don't start the game till like a minute in
cunning nacelle
You should try Loki
Loki needs you to be really mindful of the enemy team due to clones enabling certain abilities but he has a ton of potential
cunning nacelle
Hell yeah
cunning nacelle
Loki, God of Taking Your Ultimate
runic apex
i do think loki has the best anti ult heal for some ults
cunning nacelle
No he just does period, you're invulnerable in Regen Domain
It stuffs every burst damage ult
violet ridge
ugh, it feels like by the time I join a payload game its half over
severe zephyr
teal mist
the cuts in this are perfect
and honestly accurate for how it feels to fight divers as thor
twilit meadow
One more win and I make it to silver
teal mist
if she keeps her distance it's tough to catch her though
severe zephyr
Thor is just a counter to everyone #mightiestavenger
glass pollen
since he can just dash more than she can root
cant you jump your way away?
you should be able to throw one or two shoots to thor and either make him back away or dissuade him to go by himself
violet ridge
I'm liking penny a lot, she feels like a tank version of broodmother from dota2
I seem to really click with rangedd tanks for some reason
Emma will probably be our next one
It'd be cool to see a swamp thing throwing acid though
glass pollen
LOKI CAN ULT 2 FUCKING TIMES?
Ok there is something REALLY FUCKING WRONG there if fucking loki can just say fuck it, 2 ults in one goddamn copy ult
....
oooooh
Loki seems to have a weird ult charge boost
twilit meadow
Ok there is something REALLY FUCKING WRONG there if fucking loki can just say fu...
Speaking from experience, this is absurdly difficult to pull off
green junco
I don't really think it's possible with anyone but Moon Knight tbh
And yeah really hard to pull off
You gain more ult charge when copied but it requires a lot of requirements to popping two ults
Echo in overwatch has a similar mechanic too
cunning nacelle
this will happen extremely rarely because
a) getting that ult charge in the alloted time, even with the boost, is very hard - that situation was the perfect storm for it
b) turning into a DPS as Loki if you don't absolutely have to tends to be trolling
glass pollen
this will happen extremely rarely because
a) getting that ult charge in the all...
"Turning into a dps as loki tends to be trolling"
The nefarious loki ulting into hela/starlord
cunning nacelle
legitimately, yes, especially Hela
glass pollen
why?
cunning nacelle
You are depriving your team of a healer for over 20 seconds
Star Lord can be great if you have a good position
glass pollen
I mean if luna/mantis is in the game yeah probably better to ult into them
cunning nacelle
But in higher level play it can be game losing, especially if the enemy team are canny and kill you
glass pollen
but if you can wipe 3 to 4 enemies in a ironman/challenge them with other ult i dont think it is that bad
or even as hela you are challenging to get off the point/payload while throwing the shots
and hela doesnt kill you in ult, mind you
and even if you say "higher levels", at that point you might have bans
and it will be a common sight to ban luna or mantis
if not hela
cunning nacelle
That's assuming the enemy team will give you those opportunities and not use the extra space after you blow ult to hard commit to a drag down fight you can no longer win due to being down a healer
vast geyser
Every ban is usually Hela, Hawkeye and Hulk
glass pollen
luna and mantis bans can happen
cunning nacelle
I play a lot of Loki and trust me, you want to ult a support 85% of the time
vast geyser
Sometimes Panther and Luna
glass pollen
I just see it as mitigating incoming damage
even in MMOs most healers have to do a bit of dps and if they just hard comit to healing they are throwing
vast geyser
I always just slam in the Hela/Hawkeye ban
glass pollen
part of the reason why I dont give a hard time to healers if they do dps a bit
cunning nacelle
even in MMOs most healers have to do a bit of dps and if they just hard comit to...
That's...what you're doing as Loki normally
lilac snow
AIUI the good DPS to pick are the ones that have like a "delete enemy team" ult, otherwise yeah you just pick support ults
glass pollen
if the rest of people are safe better confirm the kill
twilit meadow
if the rest of people are safe better confirm the kill
Loki main and yes, absolutely
Need heals? Luna. Everyone's okay? Hela
vast geyser
I like taking Psylocke ult tbh
glass pollen
even as Cd I sometimes just after ulting I forget doing healing beyond throwing bubble and just start challenging people
vulnerability and a 250 or so usually dies in 4 to 5 seconds
lilac snow
And also that a few DPS are throwing to pick into Loki because you don't contribute enough outside ult and really don't want your ult stolen
runic apex
iron man can def be a good one to steal
glass pollen
yeah especially if luna is ulting
or even strange if you can allow yourself to get it and get close to stun some people
green junco
Assuming you don't get shot out of the sky or your team dies without the support
glass pollen
main reason its almost necessary for a teamcomp to be 2 healers, after that it can kind of be whatever
vast geyser
Strange I learned if you steal, use portal, then steal Strange again too soon, your portal will still be on cooldown
glass pollen
I hate this 99% loading thing
have you checked files?
violet ridge
no, what should I look for?
twilit meadow
MADE IT TO SILVER CAN I GET A HELL YEAH
violet ridge
I'm not a tech guy unfortunately
glass pollen
no, what should I look for?
there is an option in steam to make steam check the files and redownload corrupted ones
if not
green junco
MADE IT TO SILVER CAN I GET A HELL YEAH
Hell yeah!
glass pollen
have you turned on the fsr thing?
twilit belfry
I'm just a certified Reed Richards hater
runic apex
your blind also increases dmage they take
twilit belfry
Thanks for the info, i didnt know that
signal citrus
what is the name of the marvel rivals role
runic apex
there isnt one
signal citrus
oh
mild pine
Honestly we should make one
the problem being that there's like limited roles I'm fairly sure
we already skim off the old ones
runic apex
i dont think we really need one
violet ridge
Penny seems really good on defence but feels like she struggles to help her team takevterritory. A lot of enemies don’t realize that they should target her nest either
hexed niche
Huh
violet ridge
I hit v instead of space a lot there huh
hexed niche
Seems like it
violet ridge
Not sure what I’m supposed to be doing with her ult either, doesn’t seem like it does a lot of damage even when I rush the squishies
hexed niche
I think it’s just best for disrupting the backline
Yah it doesn’t do much damage but she’s hard to kill and just kinda becomes a problem you need to deal with
runic apex
I hit v instead of space a lot there huh
i moved around her controls caues they feel awkward
twilit meadow
Not sure what I’m supposed to be doing with her ult either, doesn’t seem like it...
The bombs from her nest will move across any webs from any of her abilities. You wanna set up a nest, and use your ult to create a path to lead them to enemies
Spam the buttons for more bombs and crowd control
frigid moat
New annoying behavior dropped
You picking healer and then three other people picking healer and refusing to change
On ranked
lapis aspen
Live the dream
frigid moat
I unfortunately cannot curb stomp Jeff's that are on my team
lapis aspen
4 healers 2 tanks is the ideal team comp
twilit belfry
glass pollen
4 healers 2 tanks is the ideal team comp
3 healers seem to be the meta comp at higher tiers
mild pine
I disagree with some of these but my sense of humour is off
for one, screaming "Berserker RAGE" on the toilet before blasting off is innately amazing
supple heron
LMAO
mild pine
Secondly "Behold, DARK CHYLDE!" before incredible intestinal distress it worth more than second from the bottom
mild pine
"Here's some real firepower"
compact brook
"THE GOD OF THUNDER"
signal citrus
whered everybody go
compact brook
whered everybody go
i needed to go do stuff and also didnt want to be on the pc anymore rn since i tend to do that alot, also group melt yeah
signal citrus
ok
twilit belfry
"Here's some real firepower"
Namor is just the fart sound itself
glass pollen
Namor is just the fart sound itself
Horn sound
splash
mild pine
Honestly they need to be giving you basic purple coins for every few games or something
because I feel like I'm going in, doing dailies, then just stopping
Like, also game yes, but it feels like I'm wasting time more than anything
runic apex
for me its mood depdenant sometimes ido just keep playing
lapis aspen
I mostly play to get higher in comp to have more interesting matches so don't pay much attention to the 3 or 4 currencies
mild pine
It just feels like I'm not actually going anywhere on the battlepass
I was looking forward to it but when the new season came in they removed a ton of the purple stuff
And I do not desire to buy any more. I'm already paying for this fuckery.
velvet sinew
Yeah I wanted to get more Mythic essence
To get the Kha'zix skin when it was back on the mythic shop
teal mist
I feel like they're going to have to re-do the hero selection screen a little
the duelist list is already getting a little chunky for how it's set up
glass pollen
the duelist list is already getting a little chunky for how it's set up
honestly making a favorite hero list will be a nice way to thin the lines
violet ridge
You know what would be a fun map? Old man Logan with spider buggy payload
twilit meadow
Why must it be so hard to get a break from healing
I just wanna do like two matches as Magik without someone thinking it's a good idea to pick a 4th dps
teal mist
DPS Instalockers shall ever be a curse of the genre
teal mist
Maybe permalocker is the better fake word for em, just those folks that Will Not Heal and Will Not Tank
(( cowards ))
twilit meadow
Cowards indeed
teal mist
Always seems to be one Invisible Woman per team these days at least
But solo healer just doesn't function like solo tank can
twilit meadow
Like I make it a point to be at least proficient in one character per role no matter the game
teal mist
I didn't have a healer for overwatch admittedly
runic apex
i can't tank worth crap
teal mist
But they were also so boring
twilit meadow
i can't tank worth crap
Upside of tanking: it's an incredibly varied role
sand oracle
I do genuinely sort of think that they should just... not add duelists, or far fewer duelists than the other roles, for a while
twilit meadow
Dive tanks, point tanks, shield tanks namely
twilit meadow
I do genuinely sort of think that they should just... not add duelists, or far f...
I agree but I don't think they will
My guess is every other hero will be duelist, based on the Four
sand oracle
oh 100%
yeah I mean it does make sense in a lot of ways, most marvel heroes (and villans for that matter) slot a lot more cleanly into the duelist role
runic apex
i found best comp sucess is just instant locking SG every round for me
twilit meadow
I do think Mr. Fantastic is a step in the right direction
Because FUNCTIONALLY he's a tank
sand oracle
yeah
glass pollen
honestly
twilit meadow
And the role is called strategist, not healer. So we get things like Loki's mind games, Sue's CC, etc.
sand oracle
I mean tbh my ideal would have been just make a game that doesn't rely on healing but wcyd
glass pollen
if its ranked of course you are being a dick not bothering to learn more roles
twilit meadow
why care in quickmatch?
Because it's very hard to get good as Magik when she's a character that heavily relies on a team
glass pollen
Because it's very hard to get good as Magik when she's a character that heavily ...
doom match is there
twilit meadow
That's... The opposite
glass pollen
you can totally use it as training ground for now
twilit meadow
Magik needs, primarily, a tank or two to draw attention
sand kelp
doom match actually exacerbates the problem of not having a team, since now Every Other player has it out for you. unless you're somehow lucky enough to catch ppl who are otherwise distracted
glass pollen
like yeah sure there is no team, but doesnt matter how much attention yoy have or dont have
twilit meadow
It really really does
glass pollen
if you cant touch of death some low weight
twilit meadow
Magik is incredibly squishy if she doesn't get the chance to stack shields first
sand kelp
it Absolutely does if you're talking abt Magik.
twilit meadow
She needs that surprise element
At least for assassination
For brawling she NEEDS healers
glass pollen
again, even if there is no team it is good to practice survivability by yourself or reliably hit the combos
that can be practiced in doom match
twilit meadow
Love to see how much practice you can get in 10 seconds
runic apex
i don't think doom match is a good place to practise except maybe the move flow
sand kelp
doom match is good to practice more self-sufficient roles, which are few and far between
twilit meadow
Magneto is a good example
sand kelp
bc most if not all characters are designed to work around a team
twilit meadow
Most tanks actually
glass pollen
I use to either practice shots or survival
I played there as squirrel girl to learn to hit stuns
twilit meadow
See and that's why it works
She has stuns
She has fast, easy damage output from a distance
runic apex
i think people play her too far back
twilit meadow
No but like genuinely, what's your strategy as Magik against, say, Tony or Storm? You're alone, have exactly one ranged attack on a 6 second cooldown, and they can just fly away anytime they want. What's the plan?
Because that game mode means you have to handle any matchup, any time, with no backup
glass pollen
wonder if black panther has a similar issue
twilit meadow
Black Panther has a little more vertical mobility
But I'm also less familiar with him
violet ridge
Upside of tanking: it's an incredibly varied role
Yeah a lot have vey different roles, penny’s a defensive bastion, magneto is point support and venom wants to dive the backline and cause chaos
violet ridge
My guess is every other hero will be duelist, based on the Four
That’s the best possibility in my eyes unfortunately
glass pollen
ok, I give you that you cant practice everything in doom match
violet ridge
2/1/1 is my hope but people love dps
glass pollen
I mean thing HAS to be a tank
he cant be a dps, the biggest one we have in that role is wolverine and his job is tank shredder
violet ridge
I can’t see him not being a tank
runic apex
i wish they would just make wovlerine leap a stright line
or change the hitbox to also aim down more
you can be inside someone and still miss
also i hate that they made the event mission to play spiderman
glass pollen
also i hate that they made the event mission to play spiderman
its that or upvoting 4 spiderman players
runic apex
yeah
glass pollen
so no need play him if you dont want to
runic apex
someone already has lord on invisable woman
twilit belfry
Could you not open a custom game and do the mission?
supple heron
i just played practice vs ai games with spiderman for the challenge
runic apex
supple heron
noice
runic apex
not me
supple heron
oh
runic apex
im just asstounded at running into an infisable woman lord
teal mist
Anytime I think I've played a lot of this game there's always someone out there doin this
runic apex
this is what mine looks like
i don't have even centrion in anything yet
i have one captain
soft pollen
I don't even think I have halfway to centurion on my most played character so it always surprises me to see people with lord.
teal mist
More surprising when they go 4/11
teal mist
Were the enemies alive long enough to hurt anyone
compact brook
im proud to say from the past 20 matches i played 6 of them were not MVP/SVP so i am very proud of my preformance
runic apex
i genuinnely beleive reed needs his reflect removed entirely
that or make him unhealable during it
teal mist
Honestly he could use more cooldowns on his stuff maybe, idk, he just never has to stop doing anything if he gets even an ounce of healing
Big Mode is constant
Wolverine has to kill the whole team to get his passive back
runic apex
yeah its like if venom had 2 of his shield boosts
and then had a half of one when out of hp
violet ridge
Yeah but in how the roles are ascribed he’s duelist
glass pollen
I mean
even the devs mentioned some hybrids will exist
so its not even a "wrong" statement
runic apex
i think hes a vanguard duelust right now fully both with how well he can chase in big mode
and how hard he is to kill in general
why does he get a 20% speedboost in big mode
twilit meadow
Because he can't use his other abilities, especially his mobility one
runic apex
it lets him chase way too well
he basiclty can just wait until he has 80 grab an enemy go into big mode and 90% of the cast just can't escape
violet ridge
Hood is being a freak in the ongoing werewolf by night run, it’s great
Swaps from ‘mob boss who accepts nothing but absolute loyalty’ to ‘fawning sycophant and wannabe concubine’ at a moment’s notice when Lilith comes in to take over the secret society he’s been running
He’s growing in me as an antagonist, wonder what they’ll do with him
violet ridge
Probably a duelist
raven summit
I think more hybrid dps will help.
Hiding some vanguards amongst the duelist will trick a few people.
Also characters like Ultron being a strategist helps.
green junco
Yeah sounds like a duelist from leaks
green junco
and how hard he is to kill in general
I feel like most reeds I play against are mid, like either they do pretty decent or it's constant overextend because they went big and get shredded
violet ridge
Has his moveset been leaked? Comics wise he has dual guns, some demon magic, the ability to walk through walls and teleport
runic apex
yeah he is a strat with a healdrone
violet ridge
violet ridge
Content warning for horror imagery
runic apex
or lucio if hi could deploy his healing on an ally
violet ridge
Which would check if they’re packaging him with blade as a duelist
lilac snow
Honestly I love that these are just a thing in comics
runic apex
lilac snow
Also it's funny that these two pages have so much weird shit going on but still can't say "fuck"
violet ridge
You aren’t wrong lol, it’s sold as an 18+ red band yet they only use it for blood and gore
I hate that Lilith design though
A fun map theme could be Mephisto leading a demon army to invade the dark dimension of dormamu and the heroes taking sides as to which they feel is the lesser evil
Especially if they go full Kirby with the dark dimension
lilac snow
It'd be amazing to see them go full Kirby on a bunch of things
violet ridge
Or was it Ditko who did the early acid fueled strange stories?
timber garnet
Oh yeah I forgot Monster City was a thing
that's the city under manhattan full of monsters right
twilit meadow
- Join match in progress
- 4 duelists and a tank
- Leave
green junco
I have carried as the one strat, but it does require a good team to cover for you
violet ridge
What about having the storm player constantly on coms demanding someone go healer?
runic apex
- Join match in progress
- 4 duelists and a tank
- Leave
i had that happen i was the one strat it was a curbstomp on the other team
violet ridge
With an 8 character yearly release schedule each season will probably be 3 months long, so I’d bet blade comes in in October with a horror themed map with hood coming in later
Jean/emma krakoa was leaked allegedly, whether that’s coming soon is unknown but maybe? And then ultron who could either have an avenger like carol or a fellow villain like modok as his dps, and then a map to fit whatever that theme is
lilac snow
Or was it Ditko who did the early acid fueled strange stories?
Quick research sounds like it was Ditko's work in Strange Tales that laid the groundwork, and later artists built on that
Except Gene Colan who started doing his own stuff (which Roy Thomas didn't think was as cool)
violet ridge
Would love if they went full weird instead of the rather bland rock floating in void they default to these days
lilac snow
But this is like a panel from Ditko's work
gritty ore
im playing some MR right now if anyone wants to join
lilac snow
Ah this is a good article
It's kinda funny how much classic Dormammu just looks like a dude with his head on fire
violet ridge
So much of comics is just decades old stuff huh, I’d people should focus more on new stuff like the runaways but they’re over 20 years old T this point
The big 2 rarely create new characters that aren’t legacies anymore
lilac snow
Runaways would be a cool pick, at least they're post-2000
violet ridge
Is Jeff or Luna the most recently created character in Rivals? Sec
lilac snow
Luna Snow was 2018, Jeff was 2019
lilac snow
It looks like the land sharks in general was 2018 but Jeff the named one was in 2019
violet ridge
Before then he was just an extra
lilac snow
Luna Snow's first comic appearance was also 2019 tho
violet ridge
She feels soulessly created to appeal to a South Korean audience to me
lilac snow
Yeah maybe
But heck if Marvel Future Fight can add an OC and she can migrate to comics, Rivals can have the option on the table too
violet ridge
I’d love to see Nico minoru show up
lilac snow
Oh hey how about Quake (Daisy Johnson)? She could be cool
violet ridge
There’s so many cool characters
lilac snow
Especially in a game with terrain destruction
lilac snow
There’s so many cool characters
Yeah that's true
sand oracle
Oh hey how about Quake (Daisy Johnson)? She could be cool
Quake would be cool
green junco
That's the beauty of it, there's always content they can pull in if they want to keep up with the 2 heroes a season timeline or whatever the plan was
lilac snow
The other day I asked my parents who their favorite non-A-list Marvel chars since they both used to read comics in like the 80s
My dad picked Northstar and Aurora, my mom picked Kitty Pride, and honestly yeah pretty cool picks
green junco
Good picks
lilac snow
alpha flight mentioned!!!
Yeah my dad mentioned the whole team at first and I asked if there were standout members for him
sand oracle
northstar and aurora are real standouts I will grant
I just remember a really striking alpha strike comic that centres around the box I read from my uncle's collection as a kid
green junco
Dazzler and Luna would be sick
Just as two musical people
And Star lord fanboying probably
lilac snow
Also hey you know what would be the most socially awkward thematic team-up?
Black Panther, Captain America, and Claw as vibranium weilders
twilit belfry
Fuck it, Playable Shuma-Gorath
green junco
Yes honestly
lilac snow
Why is it so sassy here?
twilit belfry
Why is it so sassy here?
"Clearly you do not dominate a whole dimension."
surreal cipher
All MvC3 characters are preeeetty sassy, and that looks like mvc3 shuma
twilit belfry
All MvC3 characters are preeeetty sassy, and that looks like mvc3 shuma
It is, I know that render from anywhere
green junco
I love portal tech
sour forge
that is such a heinous angle
lilac snow
It's actually wild b/c I realized it probably only worked because he hit the ground next to the supports, it just looks cool as hell with the sliding
teal mist
Hawkeye nerfs definitely not enough
But more it's that the character is just fundamentally flawed
twilit belfry
But more it's that the character is just fundamentally flawed
A long range character in a midrange game will always be flawed
lapis aspen
I've not encountered any awful hawkeyes since the nerf personally
teal mist
the closerange flickshot type lost like 30 damage
supple heron
i still can't figure out if he's really good, or I just got good at him, because he's my most played duelist.
cunning nacelle
Hawkeye is just fundamentally a pubstomper character, because if you have really good aim you flat out delete people
But unlike Punisher or Hela he has severe vulnerability to dives
If you barrel stuff Hawkeye he has far fewer ways to effectively respond vs the really good ranged DPS
cunning nacelle
Yeah
Compared to Punisher who can play around zips, has smokes, and can one tap you with a good shotgun headshot
twilit belfry
Instalocking DPS until someone picks strats
wanton salmon
hopefully they will realize and just rebalance the snipers for midrange
give em less range, better close range options
twilit belfry
Reed is just easier spiderman
lapis aspen
I thought easier spiderman was venom
sand oracle
I don't think reed plays even remotely like spiderman
wanton salmon
I don't think reed plays even remotely like spiderman
no i can see it actually its his single target grapple into damage combo
not that much like spiderman though
sand oracle
i guess yeah
glass pollen
still Spidey arguably tods you
wanton salmon
but if for some reason someone was playing midline spiderman to grab people across teamfights then reed is better
glass pollen
reed takes a few more seconds to kill
wanton salmon
yeah
ive seen some funny reed combis though he is a great ironman deleter
just pull tony out of the sky
sand oracle
I just joined a game with less than 10 seconds left on the clock
green junco
Spiderman also requires much more finesse to do a full combo without also dying
Reed can survive slightly longer
I play Warlock into him and I can put damage most who aren't like super good or burn an ult to solo kill me
glass pollen
Still I would call reed more of a disruptor
like he can do a bit of diving with his E sure but he is more of a get in and either annoy one person in specific or fuck up their positioning
green junco
Yeah I agree
sly yew
How does magneto's ult work? Is it just big ball of damage?
hexed niche
Yes but during the time where he’s flying all nearby projectiles will be draw into the orb
sly yew
Ooh
lapis aspen
if you shoot enough his ult cancels
hexed niche
800 damage total
sly yew
glass pollen
How does magneto's ult work? Is it just big ball of damage?
its basically a damage absorber and then chuck it back to the supp
Dont use it when a punisher ults, not worth it and overloads its in a goddamn secod
runic apex
800 is not a lot
lapis aspen
Magneto ult is so annoying it always gets thrown at me
sly yew
Well i promise never to yeet it at you 
sly yew
Dont use it when a punisher ults, not worth it and overloads its in a goddamn se...
I found that when punisher ults it's better to just body block him with barriers
If he's close at least
mild pine
when punisher ults I either leave and put walls between us or I drop MK's ult on him, because he moves so slow he dies horribly
sly yew
right
twilit meadow
When Punisher ults I go invisible and then copy his ult behind him
sly yew
Funny
sly yew
It feels good to stun star lord out of the air as Peni
green junco
You can also chuck the iron man ult back at him if you want
One of my favorite abilities tbh
lapis aspen
every way of ult cancelling or denying feels so great
I like nap timing a ulting character or denying a storm ult
violet ridge
Penny’s right mouse stun is very fun
teal mist
Peni's stun could use more of a cooldown imo but hey
wanton salmon
I could see it having more cooldown, but if they do, she needs to be buffed in other ways to protect her against divers and make her worth something when the enemies arent standing directly in her mines.
Nerf the stun, but give her guns higher damage and ALSO more fallof, so they are about the same at shooting range but are more dangerous to people diving her (not massivly so, just a little).
glass pollen
the guns only do like 30 dps per shot if you land them
assuming you land all the shots, even a 250 hero tanks like what? 7? 8 shots?
they will either be able to escape your line of sight at that point (assuming you land all of your shots consecutively and with no support around)or be able to kill you fast because your head is humongous and you move really slow while firing even in web
wanton salmon
yup. i can see the argument for adjusting it so her damage is better and she has less opertunity to stun though
as if you catch anyone in sight of a friendly hero who is paying attention they are fucked, and getting stopped then killed is "less fun" than just getting killed, due to how bad things feel worse than less bad things feel good
but it would be a change that would require reballancing
damn though that is less even than i thought
i gotta check the damage on her melee lmao
cunning nacelle
Yeah Peni's auto damage is trash
glass pollen
there is a reason peni straight up has as main damage sources her mines or the nest
make the stun with a bigger cooldon and you will need to buff her autogun a lot so she can actually kill stuff and not just throw mines offensively
part of the reason its nice that her stun is so fast available is the fact that it saves the mines or rather makes them undestroyable
teal mist
I mean
It's not like she's struggling
90 dps isn't nothing, combined with teammates, mines, and spiderbots
glass pollen
Yeah I would argue she is fairly balanced
besides the stun she has clear counters and the only reason she is so high is because people tend to not shoot the mines or they dont kill the nest
or dont just straight up grab her counters in the form of hawkeye or even squirrel girl
violet ridge
Yeah Peni's auto damage is trash
you really need to go for headshots
she's very good at what she does, but it also means that she what team she's on can really affect her power, penny does not want to be on payload offense since it makes it hard for her to hunker down, and hunkering down in a point and holding it is what penny does
wanton salmon
besides the stun she has clear counters and the only reason she is so high is be...
Plus Peni being not so shoot based makes her popular among people who cant aim for toffee, like me.
i can bodyshot a stunned target and fire intoa teamfight just fine, and i can think about the placing of mines and webs and nests well enough to get some mvps with her,
i like her
wanton salmon
yeah i agree
glass pollen
if she is the only tank the team will crumble if the other side gets to push up to your face
wanton salmon
but i can understand wanting to tweek things so there are less stuns
teal mist
Three seconds is just real low a cooldown
especially because any sort of coordination means that person is Basically Dead
wanton salmon
if she is the only tank the team will crumble if the other side gets to push up ...
ive also had a surprising amount of succsess with her against aggressive teams by being proactive about removing my own spawner
remove hte spawner, pull back for a few seconds while the other team dont know its down
run in and throw the spawner down and pick someone to focus down with four mines and a net
most of the time everyone goes for the spawner and gives me time to grab a healer, and in an uncordinated or non team push, thats enough to blunt it if i have any allies around at all
glass pollen
assuming the spawner hasnt been shot
since if it gets damaged it goes into cooldown depending on how damaged it was
wanton salmon
oh yeah thats why you have to be proactive about it
its counter intuitive but taking down a full health spawner before a push, can be better than leaving it up
so long as you have good non-spawner-mines coverage or know its a small push
glass pollen
still peni real damage is from her offensively throwing mines at the enemy and hoping they dont get shot by others before she gets to web them
as C D I have fucked over a lot of peni's trying to do aggresive mining
glass pollen
so do people get banned over these mods?
raven summit
Last I checked, Netease made a mini patch to help fix a popular skin.
cunning nacelle
you really need to go for headshots
Unfortunately she can't get headshots, but yeah
runic apex
venom is the wierdest charcter that can
cunning nacelle
Venom is the one vanguard that can get them
twilit meadow
...Fuck you're right
cunning nacelle
He's very good
teal mist
Headshots are sort of the difference between a Venom diving in and just sort of hanging out and one that dives in, eats Adam Warlock, and leaves
CONSUME
violet ridge
I guess it was actually them getting hit by the spider drones while they were stuck in the web that was doing the extra damage
green junco
Peni is good for consistent damage
Since it doesn't overheat or reload
peppering shields
cunning nacelle
Headshots are sort of the difference between a Venom diving in and just sort of ...
Yeah I enjoy that while he's easy to pick up, there's a lot more nuance to him than there seems
A good Venom will wallrun at you at bizarre angles and get clean engages while saving Swing for escapes or really hard commits
runic apex
sometimes i just hang on the wall on some maps wiating for someone to come past
like on hydra
cunning nacelle
Yeah scouting people out like that is valid
runic apex
oh i just crash onto them and start going after them
violet ridge
I find venom doesn't even need to get kills to fulfill his purpose, he just needs to cause enough chaos and disorder to enable a team push, if two characters are trying to take care of the venom running amok that's two less to deal with the front line
glass pollen
A good Venom will wallrun at you at bizarre angles and get clean engages while s...
doesnt venom also have animation cancels with melee?
like how strange does it?
glass pollen
you are faster shooting by either using shield in between them or meleeing
also useful to melee if you are close enough to magneto/strange shielding since melee goes through
runic apex
melee also builds his magic meter by 10 per enemy hit