#Mahvel Rivals baby

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runic apex
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i guess maybe one way you could do it make her instead have a univseral teamup where each life she can chose one pre selected ablity from an ally

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sorta like warframe hemlith

wanton salmon
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i think thatd be a bit much, and its not really something she does iirc

runic apex
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the power taking?

wanton salmon
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if it was a choice from allies

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it would require a lot of additional stuff, more than lokis ult even, which just directly copies the enemy ult

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shes prolly just gonna be an flying energy blast/melee dps with a poison kiss grapple

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tho imo she should be tank of off tank like reed now thats an option

raven summit
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Maybe she just punches people with her gloves off she gets some bonus health. Frame it like she's absorbing their energy.

sand kelp
raven summit
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She could gain a uniform ability for the class of character she absorbs from.

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Or a brief buff.

sand kelp
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That'd be handy, it's also close to an idea I saw for Taskmaster

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Copying a specific non-ult ability from someone would be his gimmick, but mechanically Rogue could do that too so idk

glass pollen
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yeah looks like a 60s design

runic apex
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i think some charcter just don't translate well to a game and taskmaker is one of them

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widow is another

glass pollen
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Taskmaster would need to be a normal kit

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which is like the one thing taskmaster doesnt do

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or you will have to settle with something similar to the MVC version

sand oracle
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taskmaster should be rubick

runic apex
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there is one way i would actully like to see hawkeye buffed

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his explosive arrows

lilac snow
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I think you could do Taskmaster as like a set kit but every ability in the kit is stolen from another character

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Which gets around the weirdness of either deciding who he can or can’t spontaneously copy, or rigging up a model that can support 40(?) characters of animations

glass pollen
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tbh it helps that taskmaster is just human but witha sharingan

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so the score goes to arguably like 10 or so of the cast right now

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you also could do a stance/swap char like c&D

runic apex
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i thought about how gambit could be a melee/ranged swap

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that or his cards work like spiderman but more damage focused

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make missed cards turn into mines

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with a lifespan so its not like peni

fallow stump
lilac snow
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Does Gambit need to have a mode swap? Every character has a melee button

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He can just have a decent melee and maybe a melee range ability

runic apex
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i feel like for gambit either ranged or a swap makes most sense

sand kelp
glass pollen
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sues skin yeah

runic apex
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i really want to know the balance changes

raven summit
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Gambit could work like Spidey where he has a ranged alt fire that regenerates.

runic apex
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i think in the context of rivals i think its better probally for him to work more like hawkeye ranged normal mode

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but has a melee ablity

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cause i can't think of a way he would gap close

wanton salmon
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i think gambit coul also have a general meter, which he can then spend to boost any ability

like....

runic apex
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i did think about that as well

wanton salmon
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left click staff hit, right click card throw

shift flip jump pole vault

f throw something larger

passive movement buff to parkour a little

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then a meter, and if you hold down any of the buttons instead of hitting them once, you get to charge the ability and put as much energy as you want into it (up to a different cap for each ability)

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so you charge up then either dive or join a team fight to spend it

runic apex
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that would probally be too much to keep track of mid fight, i was just thinking maybe something like mantis but more limited

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has to be close to them, and cant do as many

wanton salmon
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it could a set of charges round his cross hair too

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then its just, hold down the button to spend one charge

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to get a boosted version of the ability

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throw a card becomes throw an explosive card etc

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pole vault becomes a super jump with aoe damage

runic apex
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another thing is maybe he normally fires cards normally but also has more powerful cards that if you miss becomes a mine with a lmited lifespan that explode

teal mist
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Clearly Gambit needs TF2 Soldier Rocket Jumping with explosive cards

runic apex
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i think they did that once actully

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not with gambit but gambit boosted wolverine

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im sorta in this wierd place where i think that would be cool but i also don't want it because im really bad at rocket jumping and i really like gambit

green junco
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He could throw the cards which embed and explode

teal mist
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Also love people being like 'omg Sue is a tank shredder' because she kills a Thor at 100 hp in the trailer

runic apex
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im more worried about reed than Sue

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the main thnuig im worried about sue is if the invisable ult heals

teal mist
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I wouldn't mind a heal but not 200 fuckin HPS

runic apex
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i don't think it should heal at all, maybe at most like a 200 point heal on cast

teal mist
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She feels.. I dunno

runic apex
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cause if heals it might be better than luna's ult

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or mantis's

teal mist
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also that's

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crazy

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no way is it

runic apex
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i don't know if it can heal or not yet

teal mist
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Luna/Mantis ult moves, Luna's lasts for six years, the heal rate is absurd

runic apex
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lets say it heals the same as mantis rate

teal mist
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Still don't think it'd be as strong as the Mantis Manuever

runic apex
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its a fixed healing zone about the size of a point, that makes alies invisable to the enemy

teal mist
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but maybe i'm underestimating size

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see my thought process is

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if it heals that fast

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the invisibility is absolutely pointless

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so it seems unlikely they'd make it that way

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watching the trailer again and there's not an obvious rush of health into any folks inside it but they skip around a good bit

runic apex
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yeah

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i can't tell if it does or not

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IT DOES HEAL

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AND SLOW ENEMIS

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why

teal mist
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horg, well hopefully it's a lot more gentle of a heal

runic apex
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now im worried rivals is gonna kill itself like overwatch did by just maknig healers way overtuned and break the game

teal mist
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neat that you can airburst the Psionic Vortex thing

frigid moat
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LETS GO THE NEW PENI SKIN IS BLUUUUUUUUE

wanton salmon
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jesus christ all her shields heal

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WHY

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THEY HAVE OVERSHIELD ARMOUR IN THE GAME

runic apex
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probally balance reasons, having a charcter that just passes out bonus health everywhere on demand would be too strong.

round gazelle
timber garnet
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Is that XQC

runic apex
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yes

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also theres more posts besides just those 4

lilac snow
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Oh huh the outfits have first appearance citations

runic apex
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one that are from movies or comics state them too

timber garnet
runic apex
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ok wolverine might now have 350 hp

hexed niche
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That wolverine skin is rad

green junco
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Sick skins

timber garnet
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new strat unlocked

runic apex
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all of their dps are tank shreadders

green junco
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You know, with the peni skin in the battle pass, we now have 3 Main Units from NGE represented

dense wolf
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I don't know if I want to try Reed or Sue first

runic apex
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neither intest me at all but ill probally play both just to understand them on a level to fight them better

sand oracle
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i'm personally really excited for reed

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being able to pick people up looks super fun

dense wolf
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He's a corny dude, I love him

green junco
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If you don't want to read all the in game text

sand oracle
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namor's a mutant???

silver helm
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Thought of the most cooked team comp:
3 conventional duelists
Reed to act as a DPS/tank
Rocket to act as a healer/DPS

sand oracle
silver helm
dense wolf
sand oracle
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I guess I'm getting him confused with aquaman I think

runic apex
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it would be really funny if a marvel charcter is actully a dc charcter in disguse the entire time

dense wolf
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Barry Allen (Flash) once (unofficially) slipped into the Marvel Universe at one point

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Then there's stuff like this

runic apex
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i mean more of what if moonkight was secretly had been kiteman that got really lost

dense wolf
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Yeah, I mentioned "Buried Allen" before

runic apex
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thats a pretty good example

glass pollen
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but that is because of his creator sometimes doing comics over at DC

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even then considering how the guy was it wasnt exactly a good idea

timber garnet
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also thanks to this post I learned Morbius canonically saved Spiderman in NYC

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Anyway, Morbius mention in Marvel Rivals

【QRT of multitude🔻container (@lllliatttt):】

'like i’m sorry but any time someone starts talking about video games as an art form or storytelling medium or whatever i go into a …

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sand oracle
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man that is some of the most rage bait rage bait I've encountered

timber garnet
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posting only because of the video

sand oracle
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the video is good

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I appreciate the video

runic apex
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they buffed squirrel girl's ult

sand oracle
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if quicker cloak swaps is real I will be overjoyed

hexed niche
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Oh cool they aren’t removing any team ups this season

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Nice

runic apex
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other thean them not really nerfing mantis or luna ults most of the changes are in a postive direction

sand oracle
hexed niche
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I mean being forced to actually choose between healing or damage is a really nice change imo

sand oracle
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having fastball special at all is nice but we could do more

teal mist
hexed niche
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Yah

teal mist
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should be nerfed more but hey

runic apex
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its more of the healing and how long it lasted that made it overpowered not the swaping

teal mist
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Healers being Too Strong is the absolute worst thing a game can have

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I know everyone loves being healed and having one

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But lordt

runic apex
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they should add a tanky healer that heals by doing damage to the enemy and heals all allies at once while doing damage, and also give them a shield and throwable armor, as well as a stun attack and a long ranged knockback attack

teal mist
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"Why do these actions heal people?" Why because.

runic apex
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just to let people know im refrencing brig release the single worst era of overwatch

teal mist
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I still never got over her bein all noodleyarmed, I forget which skin made it look crazy

runic apex
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wanna know what crazy

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i played cole to counter her during her peak

green junco
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Also for those who were a little sad that Blade didn't get added, Reed has been in the lore since launch and he got added, so I'm sure he'll be soon

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And he was mentioned as well within the event lore

sour forge
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as a luna player they need to put luna ult into a crater

green junco
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And for those who were curious, this is what Ratatoskr in Marvel looks like. She shows up in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. Only mentioning her since Dracula abducts her due to Ratatoskr being able to kill Dracula with her horn

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So maybe future playable character? Maybe not but cool little reference

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Also looks to be two new teamups this season, Reed and Sue, and most likely Storm and Human Torch

runic apex
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that team up does seem like it could be a bit broken with a full team

green junco
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Based on the name, I think it might just be for the couple, since it's "wedded" harmony

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Idk why it says the whole team though, that would be wack

runic apex
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maybe but it also does yeah

green junco
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Torchs leaks only mention the storm teamup

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Also based on the sue ult, I think it's just people crossing the barrier are slowed not everyone in the fight

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Kinda like Thors thorforce bubble

runic apex
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yeah but that still seems kinda strong with also healing

green junco
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The trailer doesn't show anyone go in but the blurb reads like Thors bubble ability

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It just depends on how much healing over time in the end, compared to the current mega strategist ults

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Also the new hero hot list coming to the official marvel rivals page

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Even separated by console versus PC is nice too

runic apex
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someone did make one on their own

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im guessing SG is gonna be 4th lowest

green junco
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They did, but it's nice to have it in one spot, and be official as well

runic apex
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i think SG is really underrated and people are not seeing her potental

green junco
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She cooks in the right hands

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But I think a lot of duelists can as well

runic apex
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even high level players i think don't see her potenial. I did watch someone high ranked play and it was mainly just good aim and not using her kit to the fullest that they performed well

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they didn't use their double cooldowns that often nor the ult very well

green junco
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Why use all of her kit when you can just kill them all

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Or you know, Hawkeye hela headshots

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So far pretty happy with how this game is going so far

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If they keep the pace going with new characters and content, this will be sick

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Also adding the settings that people noticed weren't there like mouse acceleration was nice

runic apex
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YAY more ults that just turn off playing the game

sour forge
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having an ult that just deals 9999 is probably gonna be pretty good

glass pollen
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yeah its arguably worse than mantis/Luna because it also is a DoT

sour forge
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hey now luna's is the radius of the sun

steady flame
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Her standing there and getting machine gunned in the face looks so funny

runic apex
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i think this ult would be fine if it didnt stack

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did they also make the width larger?

sand oracle
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it does damage so it advances the game state

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sort of

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this may be overtuned

runic apex
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i think so far all thea healers ults that heal seem overtuned

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the thing is i think outside of their ults they are balanced pretty fine

sand oracle
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I think adam is at odds with the rest of the game encouraging the team to mostly spread out

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but yeah otherwise I think C&D getting a bit of a buff is fine but not super needed

runic apex
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i do think adam is maybe a little weak

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i don't think CD needed a buff i think they were perfectly fine

sand oracle
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the ult is unessecary

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I like the swap speed buff

runic apex
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swap is fine

sand oracle
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swapping to cloak to dodge stuff takes just too long imo

sour forge
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I don't think adam is at all at odds with that, the bounce range is fucking insane

runic apex
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i think its more of the link

sour forge
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landing completely accidental deepstrike heals out of spawn because my team has formed a conga line of LoS is pretty nuts

sand oracle
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it's more the link

sour forge
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link should absolutely not be an ability that works at range

sand oracle
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and also his ult is sort of terrible

sour forge
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that shit is absolutely bananas, they would need to put it in the bin and give him something else

sand oracle
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like I think if standing within 2 metres of a teammate wasn't as potentially dangerous as it is adam would feel better

sour forge
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I do not like rez's existence in the game

runic apex
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i think its actully balanced in this game

sand oracle
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honestly it took me so long to figure out how the ability actually worked

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the tooltip is very confusing

sour forge
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yeah it's really weird

runic apex
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it doesnt rez to full it takes a while

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and it only does it where he is

sour forge
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it rezzes people who died near him, but the rez point is the thing you actually throw, which is... deeply strange

runic apex
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i got a tripple kill with venom's ult off it once

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it was amazing

sour forge
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realizing the optimal play is to chuck the giant thing that looks like it should be the one rezzing people behind cover so you can float through rezzing people is so fucking strange

sand oracle
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I think the only time I've used his ult is accidently shapeshifting into him

runic apex
sand oracle
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they've failed to make another strategist as fun as loki

runic apex
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crunch

sour forge
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I like Snow but I wish it wasn't optimal to be healbotting

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at which point I should probably just learn Mantis instead

sand oracle
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I do honestly really appreciate that the sorta memey illusion character isn't absolutely goddawful

sour forge
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yeah it turns out Echo ult is good

runic apex
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i think its better than echo?

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i didnt play ow when echo was around

sour forge
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you don't start with ult as Echo

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I think you do as Loki?

runic apex
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yeah

sand oracle
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yeah

sour forge
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Echo you start at 0%, you just charge it 6x faster for obvious reasons

sand oracle
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it's really something

runic apex
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is echo random

sour forge
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no echo is lock on and pick

sand oracle
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being able to shift into allies is kinda nuts

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I dunno why it lets me do that

sour forge
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you can also copy allies as echo

sand oracle
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I should be shifiting into more healers but getting a free double kill as starlord is so tempting

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I've also managed a portal kill with iron man's ult while shapeshifted with a buddy once, that was fun

sour forge
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HEAAAAADDDDDDJOHHHHHHHNDAAAAAIRY

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they were really on something making a soldier 76 ult with 3x the dps and also you can fly and i-frame during it

sand oracle
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it does not last that long tbf

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like I think it's pretty annoying but fine

sour forge
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quality over quantity

sand oracle
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as I said, free double kill

sour forge
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it's annoying but also honestly

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if you're an aim demon on starlord your regular kill power is so nuts anyway

runic apex
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your in some ways easier ot kill than 76

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and harder in others

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longer startup no self heal, but you can fly and air dodge

sand oracle
sour forge
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yeah it turns out soldier 76 with more than one useful ability is pretty good

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giving him flight instead of tracer blinks and flat i-frames in lieu of rewind honestly shook out as a relatively balanced sidegrade

sand oracle
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his movement feels so good

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I dunno what the point of his reaper thing really is but

runic apex
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finisher

sour forge
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I think it's also just an extra backup mag

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that genre of ability always feels weirdly good in fpses when your aim's not quite good enough to secure a kill

vast geyser
silver helm
sour forge
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I was gonna say Mantis but you kinda need to be critting with her

runic apex
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im pretty sure they mean as loki

sour forge
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oh

green junco
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The cloak and dagger ult always had stacking, but usually I don't really see it happening because most cloak try to make as much area covered as they can

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Or the rest of the time just doesn't play on it

hexed niche
sour forge
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he is strong he's just also mad fucking boring

hexed niche
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Soul bond is one of the best damage prevention tools in the game and his revive can be easily cheesed to revive people away and behind cover and be done safely

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Along with having the 2nd best DPS of the healers behind Mantis

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And the best burst damage with a fully charged barrage+head shot

hexed niche
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His heal and soul bond have actual cooldowns and it’s not like he can heal via his gun

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So I’m actually thinking when it’s worth it to heal with either

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It’s partially why I like Loki too

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Though for him I just like teleporting around and confusing people with clones

sour forge
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I just don't like his gun that much but I adore Ana, Illaoi and Juno who all shoot to heal

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idk why, since I also enjoy Zen and his gun is just... Zen orbs 2

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up to and including the charge up alt fire, and the egregarious headshot mult

lilac snow
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Illaoi?

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I think you may have gotten names confused...

sour forge
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sorry Illari who is PRONOUNCED Illaoi

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or Illiari

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or Yaoi

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man I don't fuckin know

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she's the one with the sun gun

lilac snow
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Yeah I found her by specifically searching "illaoi overwatch"

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However "yaoi overwatch" produces no such luck

sour forge
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I wish she was a huge lady but unfortunately she is in fact a toddler

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many... such... I guess not

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anyway she gets to put down a turret that heals people and also has a heal altfire that's a laser beam which did make me think of Loki a bit

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but Loki getting to put down approximately six fucktillion pylons and having a relatively limited range on each gives it very different flavor

glass pollen
compact brook
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YOOO

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more thor stuff

fervent pulsar
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Cookin

lapis aspen
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Just got to 6 points in a comp match crazy

green junco
# glass pollen

That's a free skin supposedly to get at the end of the free event missions

glass pollen
glass pollen
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listen

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if you watched some of the shows

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its better than the MCU only people

sand kelp
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EMH my beloved

glass pollen
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SPECTACULAR

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SPECTACULAR

green junco
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Dracula, Blade and Ratatoskr

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Vanguard Ratatoskr would be hype

green junco
glass pollen
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Namor sit in the chair

compact brook
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namor is the kinda guy huh

green junco
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Mmmmmhmmmmmm

timber garnet
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Step into the heart of magic within the Sanctum Sanctorum. Protected by ancient wards and filled with mystical relics, this legendary stronghold is the last refuge in a world consumed by eternal night.

Explore its eerie corridors and powerful secrets as you prepare to face the chaos unleashed by Dracula's dark forces. Are you ready to rise agai...

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fervent pulsar
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Sick

sand kelp
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My friend went fuckin Feral for this map, they adore Doctor Strange

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Also it looks like of the maps on offer, there's this, and there's one that has Grand Central Station and one with Avengers Tower

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The latter two might be the same thing, idk

mild pine
glass pollen
green junco
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How did these guys win

vast geyser
timber garnet
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6 Healers

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We won

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It was great

green junco
timber garnet
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Oh I'm aware

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I'm just rambling, my bad

lilac snow
wanton salmon
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Also they all used to be off supports before the ballance patch hit, there used to be a Knocked and Pick Up set of mechanics.

glass pollen
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the data of win and pickrate

runic apex
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guseed SG as 4th she was 5th

lilac snow
runic apex
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changes

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a lot of changes

sand oracle
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thor buffs?

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I would never have guessed

runic apex
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ima do quick list of how heros were changed
buff,nerf,mix
Cap,B
Strange-N
thor-B
hulk-N
venom B
BP-N BW-B
Hawk-M Hela-N
magik-B mk-B
namor-B psylock-N
punsiher-B scarlet-M
storm-b Squrriel-M
Winter-mix wolverine mix
CD-b Jeff-mix
luna-B matis-N
rocket-buff

fervent pulsar
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Iron Fist remains unchanged

glass pollen
sand oracle
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more health and debuff immune during ult

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fascinating

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I already felt like thor was an absolute house but

glass pollen
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his life is 600

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now

severe zephyr
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Lmfao Hela being OP was just her season bonus

glass pollen
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when season ends it will be 500

runic apex
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team up boosts ditnt get removed

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two got nerfed

sand oracle
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I don't think that's the case

runic apex
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hawkeye and hella

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inact he has more hp now

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525 is his new base

sand oracle
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to jaacker

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I am under the impression he will now have 625 base

severe zephyr
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Her ability to kill with HS+BS

mild pine
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MK getting their ult buffed is nice, not sure if it's enough but it's something

severe zephyr
timber garnet
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Iron Man unchanged

runic apex
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i think some of these changes are good but others feel meh

glass pollen
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she is getting nerfed indirectly

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alongside her loss of life

runic apex
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most of the buffs are good and reasonable(except CD's 4th line) but very little in the nerfs area

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luna basicly untouched

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mantis a little slower

glass pollen
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im more surprised the season buffs arent apparently going away

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or being shifted around

severe zephyr
glass pollen
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*nerf, mistake

severe zephyr
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Oh that makes more sense

mild pine
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Oh Punisher is gonna have tighter spread. Even more point and click.

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Hunter Killer Squirrel Pack @runic apex

runic apex
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yeah i noticed that

teal mist
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Hawkeye nerfs not potent enough by a mile

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That's still a constant ban for sure

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Strange got hit so much harder than both of them, wow

mild pine
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the team ups also got nerfed

teal mist
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Hawkeye lost.. 10 damage, and then 5% of that, so.. does like 350? On headshot now

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Might not one-shot Wolverine and Fantastic

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Just barely

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And Hulk nerfed too instead of the Iron Man teammup, what

lapis aspen
hexed niche
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I know what actually happens is she makes another portal and the imp comes out

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But I like to imagine for Magik’s imp summon she just grabs a random imp while in Limbo and then throws it down

fervent pulsar
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"this portal is not my creation"
immediately jumps in
dies

glass pollen
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THE SHIELD IS CC INMUNE

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ok this fucker is going to be high tier if not banned

sour forge
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just fucking facetanking the strange ult is kinda insane

glass pollen
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HE DOESNT DIE FROM THAT

fervent pulsar
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damn

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it's like Iron Fist's "no thank you" but significantly easier to use

lilac snow
sour forge
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I like that the return fire from pure gayass doesn't even kill witch afterwards

sour forge
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extremely funny

glass pollen
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my main question is

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can you shoot him from the back?

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to hurt him? or is it all sides?

runic apex
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i called it

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the monet i saw the video i thought

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"this is gonna be busted"

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another overloaded kit

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100% just remove the rflect

glass pollen
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it being able to block stuff is fine

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the CC inmunity on demand is kind of a big deal

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just being able to straight up walk away of fucking groots ult is proof enough

runic apex
#

the block itself is goofy

glass pollen
#

because the projectile itself doesnt seem to do a lot of damage unless you shoot at it

runic apex
#

maybe if he didnt already have 350 and an ablity that gives him more hp

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if this was his only block/defensitvie ablity id be like sure fine

vast geyser
#

To be blunt a lot seeing a character that isn't released yet and going straight to "this character is broken" or things like that always sounds like scrub talk

hexed niche
#

Yah especially since his damage is pretty obviously on the low end for a DPS

#

Iron fist’s parry is extremely similar and he’s not even that good once you learn how to fight him

vast geyser
#

Even if it wasn't scrub talk its exhausting to see some new character in something and the comments being "how will this be annoying to me, personally"

hexed niche
#

Also is anyone else having issues with rivals atm?

#

I just had a strange portal crash my game

#

Which like, normally it causes stuttering but it’s never crashed my game before

#

It crashed to a level where I had to restart my PC

vast geyser
#

I had my first game impacting performance drop yesterday so maybe

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But then my Dota 2 crashed in the same day so I thought it was just my PC being cooked

hexed niche
#

Oh no

green junco
#

The only frame drop I got is when someone put a strange portal in front of a strange portal

teal mist
#

Important news from the new map, we are in a proper and good timeline

green junco
#

I feel like as soon as I see Reed become immune, I just walk past him and start beating up someone else

timber garnet
runic apex
green junco
#

Technically The Maker Reed skin is the smartest character in Rivals 🤓 👆

timber garnet
#

Is he though

green junco
#

Imagine if 616 Reed had no moral qualms with learning about multiversal science along with like crazy ass feats he's done

#

Moon girl is technically the smartest in marvel right now

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But she's not in the game

raven summit
frigid moat
lapis aspen
#

At the length where you can't tell them apart I don't think you need to

And if you get any closer, one of them will turn into a different person

green junco
#

And cloak has her like jacket and the big hair curl going on

lapis aspen
#

Her jacket is somehow skin tight, so it doesnt really change how she looks compared to storm. Especially from far away

frigid moat
#

Also this isn’t accounting for alt skins and in Sue’s case she has a pretty unique one in the battle pass

#

Also characters in this game have fairly distinct animation and yap a lot

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When I saw the Sue footage I kinda stopped being worried about confusing them

lapis aspen
#

Seasons about to end but I did manage to get up to Platinum

sly yew
vast geyser
fallow stump
glass pollen
supple heron
#

CRAP

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I wasted irl money on the herald of galactus skin!

glass pollen
#

HE IS FRE

supple heron
#

LET'S GOOOO

#

goddamn it, why did I listen to the brain gremlin that went "shiny skin"

#

XD

#

for context this is a first for me.

#

first time using IRL money for a skin

hexed niche
glass pollen
hexed niche
#

Oh yah I know

#

It’s just kinda annoying how many people’s perception of Reed is that that is how he’s like

#

Not even because of that video but just because of wider comic discourse

supple heron
#

ye

#

they are goals actually

green junco
#

Also ultimate reed/maker gets conflated with 616 too

hexed niche
#

Hell ultimate sue gets conflated with 616 sue

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People legitimately think Sue regularly cheats on Reed because they hear she did in ultimates second hand

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Except they leave out that it was the ultimates universe

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Where everyone sucked

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But especially Reed

fervent pulsar
#

Spider-Man, save me, Spider-Man save me from the ultimates...

timber garnet
#

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lone sedge
#

||Literally only one of two companies not scared to give a guy some cake, the other being digital extremes and that required a furry to come in and design the skins for them||

mild pine
#

New characters: fun yey!
New maps to touch and break and discover: Givemegivemegivemegivemegiveme

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I just like to find secret things and have cool things happen and things to change to my desires

timber garnet
#

Same

lapis aspen
#

I need the new maps so I can play Peni and Loki whilst having literally any hiding place to put summons

mild pine
#

I like to collapse the cave areas in the Wakanda map

#

Also, Sue Storm being in the game has accidentally buffed moon knight

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because she has an ability that forcibly draws people together

sly yew
timber garnet
#

That's gonna be fox

sly yew
#

Sue scares me

mild pine
#

She should! Sue is terrifying

timber garnet
#

From what ive seen of Reed i also love his animations

lone sedge
#

It draws people together? I thought it was just a big ass invis cloud

timber garnet
#

They really nailed the "goofy badass" vibe of his character

lapis aspen
#

inside the invisible cloud you all have to be together

#

It's not ankh sized but I think it's THE MOON HAUNTS YOU sizedish

lone sedge
#

Honestly they need to bring some street level spidey villains into this just for the hilarity of it

#

Give me fridge form kingpin

lapis aspen
#

Vulture would be really funny

mild pine
#

I think I saw a move of hers that just shlooped people together steadily

#

Morbius might show up

lapis aspen
#

Wingsuit melee sounds like a funny archetype

lapis aspen
timber garnet
#

Morbius is mentioned in the game though

sly yew
#

Anything about him morbing?

lone sedge
#

They're 100% gonnna reference morbin time if they do

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considering they reference shit like dracula owing moon knight money

timber garnet
#

Unironically the memes around the movie may forever mark Morbius

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Whoever made the Morbing Time joke first has irrevocably altered comics

lilac snow
severe zephyr
#

Ok so

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What does Thor’s ulti do exactly

#

I just mash it in complicated looking fights and get a kill or two

runic apex
#

it does damage in an aoe to enemies then slams down after a while

lapis aspen
#

it gives you quite a fright and makes a red circle

sand kelp
lapis aspen
#

is he really called michael morbius

sand kelp
#

Yep

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That's his honest to God full name

#

Unironically I would love to see him in the game as a healer

timber garnet
#

Tbf it isn't the weirdest name in the comics

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Or at least, it fits with other names

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Peter Parker, Stephen Strange, Reed Richards

lapis aspen
#

It's weird Strange's last name is strange

Parker and Richards are normal names to have

timber garnet
#

Mobius M Mobius

#

also, new season is tomorrow right?

raven summit
#

I feel there are some weird names around them.

#

Nick Fury... actually it's just Fury.

vast geyser
mild pine
#

I might get the season pass. I have points to spend and the magneto stuff is sick as fuck

green junco
# vast geyser

"How do we make Wolverine more edgy? I know, make him a pedo!" -Ultimate writers

lilac snow
#

(Also put Bruce Banner on the list)

hexed hearth
#

ultimate spider man was mostly solid for a while

#

the issue of just wolverine talking to the doomed mutant kid was pretty good

#

but other than that....just so much missed potential

vast geyser
#

To this day when I see an alliterative name I think it sounds like a comic book character

hexed hearth
#

Mario Mario

lone sedge
#

What is it with comic book writers and doing that surprisingly often anyway

#

Like with one of the flashes, I forget which

runic apex
#

shock value im guessing

lapis aspen
#

also might be, the kind of people who are really into making edgy comics are often real dirtbags

lilac snow
#

Writers also fed multiple characters to The Blob

timber garnet
#

that's a mutanmt right

lilac snow
#

Yeah

raven summit
#

Hulk also ate people in Ultimates.

#

There was also the Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch stuff.

lapis aspen
#

I think Hulk can be allowed to eat some people in a ultimate style comic

sand kelp
#

there's things i do genuinely enjoy about the original ultimate run but it was a direction that actively punished you for getting attached to characters

green junco
#

Spiderman and some of F4 were good

#

Mainly the maker parts

dense wolf
raven summit
#

People know what I'm talking about, lol.

dense wolf
#

Going 51-4 in a match as Punisher sure is A Feeling

#

Lotta murder

frigid moat
#

Peni has the second highest win rate of last season and got zero patches lmao

runic apex
#

i could see her as a charctre people mainly play on defense

#

and thus they play her when she is most useful

mild pine
#

I enjoy playing Magneto

#

because I enjoy slam-dunking on the enemy

#

Suck my basketballs

#

I slam funked on both healers just now and we rolled over the enemy team

dense wolf
#

I think it's a little rude to drop a meteor on somebody

mild pine
#

It supremely is

#

which is why it's so enjoyable

#

I'm not doing spectacular but hell I'm doing it

#

"time to put on a show!"
A round of applause from the heavens please

mild pine
#

Oh! Who do you think will combo stuff?

#

The fantastic four will probably have it

#

Reed and Ironman? Fight smart and all that

vast geyser
runic apex
#

reed and sue have a team up if thats what you mean

mild pine
#

yee no doubt, and johnny and ben will either have one together or with others I'm sure

#

and I had better things to do that deal with panther! If anything it drove him down and immediately got into kill range for my allies.

#

It was honestly such a dumb clip but I love the ult took out luna snow mid ult

runic apex
#

in that case going down there was the better play actully

#

because how mk works the best way to fight a flanker is just to throw ankh down and shoot your own ankh instead of the flanker

#

most can't really deal with the ankh super well

#

that and the loki which are just free bounces

mild pine
#

There was also a mantis ult that you can just see when I land, so it's like... I'm just gonna slowly walk off this building and deal with him in a second

#

Not sure where I keep getting that shield from though

#

it's pretty damn strong

runic apex
#

yeah im not sure either

#

oh its mantis ult

green junco
runic apex
#

i didnt realize it gave bonus health

green junco
#

According to leaks

mild pine
#

Oh that's an interesting combo

#

Probably a bonus for storm and an extra move for Johnny

#

Mantis' ult is really darn nice

runic apex
#

the wording on the reed and sue one imply it might be for the entire team which if so sounds extremely powerful

green junco
#

From what I've read, it looks like it upgrades Storms ult with fire

mild pine
#

Ben getting the same one with Groot as Rocket does and just riding Groot around

green junco
#

Johnny wasn't part of the reed and sue team up

#

But he does get the anchor bonus

mild pine
#

Nice

green junco
#

Art for the new event, showing new skins for ||psylocke, BP, and Bucky||

runic apex
#

wait

#

thats new

green junco
#

Yeah so are the other two guys in the art

runic apex
#

also yeah that too

green junco
#

Probably non battle pass skins

#

Like paid for event skins

#

Like the power rangers intergalactic Wakanda skins

mild pine
#

Does this mean that Magneto's king outfit is from the same universe?

#

Everyone else is ragged to shit vampire killers and Magneto is dripped out to the nines "god it feels good to be king" level motherfucker?

green junco
#

I don't think all of the skins within the battle pass are related to the event, its a separate reference to the comics

#

Like blue Peni being a evangelion reference

green junco
#

That's what I was thinking of, it's a house of M reference

#

But the free moon knight skin being the in universe "eternity nights" leader, with the vampire hunter emblem on the back, and the various character skins being members of the group

mild pine
#

I think Magneto is one of my favourite tanks to play honestly

#

I could do with a bit more damage but that's mostly because I miss and his attacks are slow.

#

I feel like I'm actually protecting people more than other tanks

green junco
#

Magneto is my favorite tank

#

I feel like a badass floating around before negating an ult and dunking on an ulting luna

#

Also a house of M skin in my battle pass? fuck yeah

mild pine
#

plus MVP animation

#

but I don't often get MVP

green junco
#

House of M is a fun series

mild pine
#

a shame that it didn't save one I had previously, I would have enjoyed showing people as I slam dunked directly onto a jeff and Adam who were being so rude as to not look at me

green junco
#

Big

mild pine
#

"Oh look. The healers."

#

🏀

#

Another time just dropped my ult on a jeff who had snatched up my team. They swallowed up my team, I dropped a moon on their skull.

green junco
#

His voicelines are hype too since they got James Arnold Taylor on it

#

So far leaks might be saying that Ben's team up will also be tossing wolverine but hes the one we don't fully know the kit of yet

severe zephyr
#

Does anyone else get thrown around like that goddamn

mild pine
#

you can carry Jeff and Rocket

severe zephyr
#

I want to be able to throw jeff and rocket

mild pine
#

Pitching fluffballs and they stick to walls and ceilings

green junco
severe zephyr
#

so it seems!

green junco
#

He's just a sharp little guy

mild pine
#

thing is the throw is REALLY good

#

it's basically a free wolverine leap

green junco
#

If you trust each other

mild pine
#

activates his slashies too

green junco
#

The fastball special is kinda a meme across the xmen in general

mild pine
#

Ah but that's what makes it fun half the time

green junco
#

But throwing wolverine in general was usually the main guy thrown around

severe zephyr
#

What about Magik she looks pretty throwable

green junco
green junco
mild pine
#

Magik IS pretty throwable, unfortunately she does not appreciate it

severe zephyr
#

And wolverine does?

mild pine
#

She-Hulk has also thrown Wolverine

#

I think he honestly does

green junco
#

Wolverine has no range

#

So he's like, "THROW ME AT THEM"

runic apex
#

all rage no range

green junco
#

He looks pretty happy with himself

mild pine
#

We're due for some villains after the fantastic 4. I'd love MODOK to show up as a vanguard

#

Bring some AIM baddies in

green junco
#

MODOK was on a lot of leakers lists

#

Dracula too maybe if he does get added?

#

Ultron is out next season not this one

mild pine
#

Bring in the baddies!

green junco
#

Symbiote Maker versus spiderman fastball

#

I like the animal by maroon 5 wolverine ult memes

mild pine
#

Benjamin Grim better have a knock out punch like the right fist of god

#

Better have a Yancy Street Handshake that rattles windows from a block away

green junco
#

Bens a hater lmao

mild pine
#

Benjamin Grim is a professional hater

#

I'm guessing, if they're having the evil versions of the characters for Sue and Reed

#

THIS is going to be Ben's

#

Fear Itself Ben Grimm, who was... a hell of a menace after that version of Johnny died

severe zephyr
#

Now that's a Stonegrim

mild pine
#

He was a little possessed by Jormungandr at the time

severe zephyr
#

fuck I got the name backwards

mild pine
#

It took Thor to bring him down and I believe it was not a walk in the park for the god

#

I just have a deep aprreciation for Ben Grimm and I want him to FEEL good.

green junco
#

They've been good at making the vanguards feel strong

#

Im kinda stoked for maybe a Ratatoskr vanguard in the future

#

Since she's in official art with blade

raven summit
#

Who is she?

mild pine
#

Squirrel of the world tree

green junco
#

Yeah she was imprisoned by the asgardians and used as a messenger around yggdrasil

#

Shes on the floor there

mild pine
#

Actually from norse mythology and all

green junco
#

In marvel comics, last time she was free on midgard, she supposedly made the dinosaurs extinct, according to Loki

mild pine
#

Bit of a temper

green junco
#

She's a major antagonist within unbeatable squirrel girl

#

And her horn can supposedly kill anything, even dracula, which is why he imprisoned her

#

How she looks in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl

#

Her alter ego Rachel Oskar

raven summit
#

Oh okay. I was wondering why she was beefing with Dracula.

green junco
#

She's a mischief maker, but later becomes an ally to Squirrel Girl

#

Dracula was beefing with her, since she has the power to kill him easily

raven summit
#

Is Marvel Dracula a major player?

#

Is he recent?

green junco
#

He's been around for a long time

#

One of the recent big marvel wide events, Blood Hunt was orchestrated by him

#

Which I think sort of formed a basis for the current event, with some tweaking since multiverse shenanigans are involved in Rivals

sand kelp
severe zephyr
#

Yeah it's pretty good

green junco
#

Wolverine, Black Panther, Dagger, Miles, and Strange all become vampires, among others

#

But yeah Dracula is a super big deal, at least amongst the more occult oriented heroes

#

And is the strongest vampire ever, minus Varnae, the first ever vampire

#

(Who possess Blade and kick starts the events of blood hunt)

runic apex
#

this seems like a less goofy version of the zombies one

green junco
#

DC also recently had its own vampire event too

#

well "recently" aka, 2021-2023

#

Also pretty neat

sand oracle
green junco
#

The Fantastic 4 are basically spidermans second family

sand oracle
#

maybe comics are good

green junco
#

Also Johnny and Peter are really good friends in the comics

mild pine
#

Considering Sue and Reed's kids, Uncle Pete is needed

#

You've got a kid who is basically already way too powerful for his own good, and Uncle Doom on the other side.

green junco
#

Uncle Doom is a great influence idk what you mean

mild pine
#

Between Uncle Doom and Uncle Pete the kid will turn out alright

#

Uncle Doom all by himself? You're going to get a narcissist. Uncle Pete all by himself? You're going to get a nervous wreck with a hero complex.

#

Both? The most dangerous children in the universe.

unique storm
green junco
#

I can't wait to hear reed telling namor to keep his damn wife's name out of his mouth every game

#

The Hood might be joining Rivals soon too

mild pine
#

The Hood?

runic apex
#

i want gambit mostly

green junco
mild pine
#

Also, I forgot I did something cool earlier. An enemy Strange tried to do the "portal off side of the map" thing to us in spawn, and I realized it was pointing upwards and I could see the ledge. So I grappled onto an area as MK and hauled myself up onto the ledge through the portal, and got a jump on the enemy team because no one was expecting me to come through the portal.

#

Gambit would be great

green junco
#

The Hood is a guy who wanted to be a supervillain, and stole the cloak of Dormammu and uses magic to conduct organized crime

#

He was also ghost rider for a bit too

errant folio
#

The Hood is a rare pull

violet ridge
violet ridge
#

elsa bloodstone, daredevil, juggernaut and omega red are my hopes

runic apex
#

i mainly just want gambit

violet ridge
#

I tried out magik and moon knight first since I like them and their comics, but I really clicked with Magneto

#

got a 30/3 KA/D with him

runic apex
#

I main squirrel girl

violet ridge
#

although the fact an incompetent like me was doing so well likely means he'll end up getting nerfed because there's no way I can do that well without getting carried by a high tier

runic apex
#

he got buffed actully

#

well his teamup did

violet ridge
#

is he a high tier?

runic apex
#

no

violet ridge
#

so this is just my self loathing refusing to let me take credit for any sort of accomplishments?

runic apex
#

idk

#

magneto is fine

violet ridge
#

he does seem to do well in pubs since he's not as reliant on organized heals like the melee tanks tanks are, he can ebb and flow to your teams actions more

runic apex
#

some peoplle just flow better with some charcters than others

violet ridge
#

I'm a tank player in most things so I'm not surprised I gravitated to that role

runic apex
#

SG is the 5th least used charcter yet i adore playing her

violet ridge
#

shame most of my favs are or will be dps

#

are we allowed to discuss the leaks and speculation here?

runic apex
twilit belfry
#

Magneto is a great solo tank

twilit belfry
violet ridge
#

wait they don't merge kills and assists? That means I was straight up 30 kills jeez

violet ridge
#

I wonder what other ranged tanks we might see

twilit belfry
#

I once went 30-₩

#

30-0

runic apex
#

my best with SG i think is 34-0

green junco
runic apex
#

i almost mained winter soldier

green junco
#

For me with this game, I can see certain characters seemingly being "better" overall but not by enough to like be the pick or you're throwing, like in OW

runic apex
#

the only charcters id feel that way is really widow

#

even in ideal situation widow is just a worse hawkeye or hela

#

i think cap is also pretty bad, but i think its a bit less obvious

green junco
#

I think Cap in like a double tank setup, as someone to distract strategists while the team moves around works pretty well

#

He just needs a little more tech to run

runic apex
#

i think venom does that way better

green junco
#

You can combo oneshot a 275 with cap in like 3 seconds

#

Idk Venom doesn't have the ability to run away like Cap can

#

He can raise his shield and back up or just spring

runic apex
#

hes better at getting away than cap due to swing

#

and the health boost

#

and the ablity to climb

green junco
#

The swing has a long enough cooldown compared to just holding down shift and fearless leaping away

runic apex
#

its only 8 seconds

green junco
#

Which is 8 more than sprint

#

You can absolutly shred both, I just feel cap has more escape options

runic apex
#

but it gets you out of there way better than sprint does, sprint is so slow

#

venom can also make it when he is under 150 hp go all the way back to 900

green junco
#

Sprint in, fearless leap, slam, punch punch, throw, throw, shield up, back up

#

Maybe play around a corner if needed or pop ult if you want to keep going

runic apex
#

his ult is best used in a group

green junco
#

Right, you make room for your other tank or dps to come in with you

#

Plus blocking ults is great

#

Im kinda mad I didn't get the power ranger eagle cap skin before I knew how fun he was

#

since it was a limited skin or at least only in the shop for a bit

runic apex
#

it was a good skin

green junco
runic apex
#

I don't like any of the alt skins for the charcters i play the most

hexed hearth
twilit belfry
#

I need to learn Banner better

#

Hulk*

twilit belfry
green junco
#

Honestly, all of the tanks are ranged kinda

#

Except maybe cap but his secondary shield throw when punching and small banner gun

hexed hearth
#

the main issue with hulk is that he doesn't deal damage

#

sure you can soak up more damage than anyone else, but when you have the shortest attack range in the game and the weakest DPS in the game, what good is that

#

his abilities are solid, but I don't see how they're supposed to be enough to make him work

green junco
#

I think playing hulk as a disrupter is rewarding for me. Charge jump and grab fliers, use my shout to pull a tank or strategist out of a fight, being a meat shield as the monster form

#

Keeping your jump always charged is key in the end, so you can keep going in and out of fights

violet ridge
#

Man thing and werewolf by night would also be cool but they’d probably be melee, and ghost rider would be mid range

#

Are we allowed to discuss the leaks here?

green junco
#

Man thing was a name that popped up on leaks

#

Yeah we talk about them a lot

#

Or mainly I do

#

: )

violet ridge
#

wait really?

#

I hadn’t heard that

green junco
#

It doesn't help that half the leaks come from streamers

#

that and dataminers/anonymous testers

#

Thats how the major leakers get their videos

violet ridge
#

I’d heard of Emma, jean, deadpool, hitmonkey, modok, ultron, Angela, Valkyrie, blade, hood, and marvel

green junco
#

Yeah

violet ridge
#

Emma and carol will likely also be ranger tanks

#

Hadn’t heard of man thing but I’d love to see him

green junco
#

And Ultron full kit has been leaked, along with blades model

violet ridge
#

Hadn’t heard of doom on ot too

violet ridge
lilac snow
#

Carol Danvers

twilit belfry
#

Ah

green junco
#

Doom is just because he is the big bad of this game

twilit belfry
green junco
#

I could see Ratatoskr joining as a vanguard, due to showing up in art and being a plot point for season 1

violet ridge
#

I think him and drac may just be set dressing like master weaver for now

green junco
#

Master weaver isnt really important, compared to Dracula and Doom

#

He's just a guy

#

Or part of the set as you said

#

Dracula is the season main big bad while doom is the game big bad

#

Dracula as a strategist or vanguard would be awesome

twilit belfry
#

Adam Warlock is the least support looking support

green junco
#

Wdym

twilit belfry
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He's yoked!

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His silhouette is wide

green junco
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Adam warlock is the perfect specimen, he can't not be yoked

lilac snow
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He also seems to spend like 90% of his time DPSing

violet ridge
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I hobestlu can’t think of a character I super jive with who might become a ranged tank

green junco
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Unlike most of the supports, his bullets don't heal people so

violet ridge
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Out of game, like thematically

green junco
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And rocket doesn't do a lot at long range

twilit belfry
lilac snow
violet ridge
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Kingpin could make a fun support

green junco
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He can heal himself better though

lilac snow
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I feel Kingpin would absolutely be a vanguard

green junco
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Popping one and going from like 50 to 200 is awesome

twilit belfry
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Adam has a nice heal

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More people near you, the better the healing

green junco
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Luna doesn't really have that ability

lilac snow
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It'd also funny if he was more Spidey-villain era and not Daredevil-villain era

green junco
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(imo most of the tanks right now are ranged technically)

violet ridge
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A juggernaut/mystique season with the x mansion would be fun

violet ridge
lilac snow
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Because then Kingpin gets gadgets and shit like... yeah, a laser in his cane!

violet ridge
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Which was a thing he had in his spider colourful era before becoming dd’s neonoir adversary

lilac snow
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But I also think he should have a goon button

violet ridge
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Nico minoru and Carolina dean would be a super cool but super unlikely season

lilac snow
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Just summon a hapless goon like Namor has squids

twilit belfry
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Reminds me of a character in an old TD game

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Who also summons goons

violet ridge
twilit belfry
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Idier, Juggernaught is immune to headshots

sour forge
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er

green junco
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Jeff already has reduced critical hits

violet ridge
lilac snow
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Modok should have like a doubled health pool and not immune to headshots. Because it'd be funny

twilit belfry
violet ridge
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Modok feels like a support

twilit belfry
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Anthropodlogist, whats your main in the three roles

violet ridge
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Tank

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I’m still new but definitely clicked more with magneto than moon knight and magik

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And I tank in ffxiv

green junco
twilit belfry
green junco
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The cosmos armor

violet ridge
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People pull his helmet off all the time, besides hulk is typically more bulletproof

lilac snow
violet ridge
twilit belfry
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Hmm

violet ridge
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Cain is canonically invincible but obviously won’t be if he’s added

twilit belfry
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Who you main now? Current guy you play most

violet ridge
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Magneto but I’ve only played like 3-4 hours so far

twilit belfry
violet ridge
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I’m very new

green junco
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I mean my main thing with this game just pick a bunch of characters in quick play and test them out

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I feel like a lot of the characters have fun play styles and all can do a lot of work

twilit belfry
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Should Spiderman be able to kill a 250 character in a single combo

green junco
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I mean he can right now, I think all characters have combos that can kill a 250

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Some are just easier than others

sour forge
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spiderman is swaggy so he's allowed to do anything he wants

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👍

hexed hearth
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because for a lot of ranged characters their only form of combo is "shoot them in the head several times in a row"

teal mist
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The dive dps all have like a functional burst instead of 240 damage like some russian ladies

sour forge
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idk what wolverine does but round 1 I played psylocke into peni strange and had a bad time

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then i switched to wolverine on a hunch and proceeded to put them into a fucking locker

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I genuinely feel stupider after playing this character

runic apex
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wolverin does more damage the more hp what he is hitting has

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so does scarlet

sour forge
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yeah I heard second-hand wolverine was the tankbuster

sly yew
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i play tank wixelsSit i hate dealing with wolverine

sour forge
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do not understand the targeting on his dive move in the slightest so I just kind of used it as a get-out tool

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but still

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between that and just fucking inting into people when I had regen factor up

runic apex
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i think the idea with him is you use the dash to get in close then use the leap and pull them back

sour forge
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pretty functional character

twilit belfry
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I love watching wolvie clips

sour forge
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yeah in theory you can just fucking abduct people with leap

twilit belfry
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Fucking jumpscaring people

sour forge
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maybe I just wasn't using it up close?

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actually that makes way more sense

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I was trying to skillshot iron man out of the air with it

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but dashing in, rotating the boss and then tackling them back into my team seems much more effective

twilit belfry
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Probably great to pair up with a groot

sour forge
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as any ow player can attest getting fucking yoinked or yeeted as a tank is extremely upsetting

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strange holding up shield while i shank his innards was

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a move

twilit belfry
sour forge
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it definitely is but peni and strange might be some of the worse tanks at dealing with him

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peni folds instantly to any upclose pressure without setup

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strange can fly but that seems like it could be a reeeeally bad idea against a wolf that can aim his tackle

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because you're still pretty slow

runic apex
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peni does well against him if she sticks near her nests

sly yew
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i love playing peni wixelsSit

lapis aspen
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Peni is lots of fun, I love it when someone I can't see randomly dies because they thought they could flank point

sour forge
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like batman, peni with setup time can probably kill wolverine

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unfortunately, what exactly is she gonna do on a koth map

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if they already have the point

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going the other way sure, could be an issue there

mild pine
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Peni who has set up is great at dealing with Wolverine and, hilariously, an ulting Jeff

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nothing quite like a Jeff clearing your team, then popping into existance on your webs and being immediately obliterated

sour forge
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if she was defending in an attack/defend map it probably woudlve shook out a lot better but unfortunately she just got nuked in koth

mild pine
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The main problems I have with her on koth is the fact there's not often many good places to put her nest

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Like the asgard throne room, place is so fricking open

sour forge
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it also just... if they have the point you provide almost nothing to your team's ability to actually cap

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they do not have to come to you

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so you are not a character

mild pine
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I can see it being a struggle yeah but also getting on and causing a distraction can be damn good. Plus her ult can be very good for pushing on to points. She definitely struggles more than most though.

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Her right click web is always mega useful though

glass pollen
wanton salmon
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moving up my web location to the nearest health pack by the point

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then deconstructinf the spawner and pushing with ult after throwing a stack of mines

sour forge
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maybe me just inting onto anyone with more than 300 hp as soon as they walked out was the main issue

wanton salmon
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then as soon as there is a second of space throw the spawner on the point, preferably behind a little wall so at least some web is on the point

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you can then extend the web area with her stun to get wider spawner mine spread on the point

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but she is very dependent on having at least a corner to tuck the spawner behind AND on not fighting flywers without team support