#Mahvel Rivals baby

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compact brook
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yeah, i cant really think of a kit right NOW but you could get creative with him

wanton salmon
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reed should have an "invention" ult, where you pick what you want it to do, then take a few seconds to build a ray/bomb/healing machine/rez machine/speed booster/etc

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reed can fight but he normally punches, stretches, grapples

green junco
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His kit is like grabbing people and slamming them together along with a road hog hook, but he builds up a meter and becomes super thick reed with bonus health with enough hits

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Something like that

wanton salmon
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reeds ult is a hulk install????

green junco
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It's his passive

compact brook
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could also streatch around a character and giving them and himself massive damage reduction

green junco
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According to the leaks

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His ult is something else

compact brook
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huh

runic apex
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i havent seen these leaks only some of the other ones

compact brook
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wait the big reed wasnt a weird reaction image?

wanton salmon
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like reed is stretchy but he isnt luffy

green junco
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It's an in-game model they datamined

wanton salmon
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he doesnt hulk out

lilac snow
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Green Goblin or Kingpin or Mysterio would be hype tho, people love Spidey villains

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(Took me too long to remember Mysterio's name)

wanton salmon
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he doesnt get stronger when he stretches

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green goblin would be great

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or black cat duelist

green junco
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Tomorrow, emiru and XQC are showing off reed and sues kits

wanton salmon
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are they devs?

green junco
wanton salmon
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be cool to see some devs

compact brook
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btw anyone around for a few games?

lilac snow
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Though imagine if they did like Super-Skrull

wanton salmon
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i hope we get doom before super skrull

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aparently silver surfer is gonna be in the new ff movie again, so that would be a cool character too

lilac snow
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Yeah I just think Super-Skrull would make for a wild kit

wanton salmon
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its true

compact brook
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Ooooh yeah mabye have the ability to swap around Fantastic four abilities

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gambling kit

wanton salmon
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could easily be either busted or feel lame though honestly

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either hes a worse version of one of the four, or a better version

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with more choice

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as like, its hard to balance "i have the kit of four other characters" and not make it feel like a worse version of who he is copying

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in comics he doesnt have to be ballanced

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but if they could make it work it could be great

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i saw a leak / rumour that we are gonna get hit monkey in the first year or so too

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which is wild

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i hope we get tons of weird pulls

green junco
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Reeds ult looks to be kinda like Zacs from League, bouncing around between enemies

wanton salmon
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god i hope reed gets at least ONE science/invention ability

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even if its just a ray gun secondary weapon

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or whats even the point of making him reed richards

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at that point its just Flatman

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hell the passive already sounds more like kamala khan

green junco
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Kamala Khan has similar powers to Reed to be fair, but it's like time travel technically

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Since she's an inhuman

lilac snow
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Okay, villains (and flip-floppers and antiheroes) currently in game... we got Magneto, Venom, Punisher, Hela, Namor, Winter Soldier, Loki? That sound about right?

green junco
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She stretches herself by sharing her mass with other versions of himself

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Winter soldier isn't a villain

runic apex
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i think winter was just brainwashed or controlled

green junco
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Not this version

runic apex
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winter after being freed from hydra is kinda a goober

lilac snow
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Yeah Bucky and Punisher are in the "take what we can get" end of that list

green junco
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Punisher is kinda an anti hero? But like really stressing the anti

lilac snow
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So's Magneto TBH

green junco
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Also true, depends on the iteration/writer

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I think this is main timeline Krakoa so

wanton salmon
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he started off like just a threat, then was like, completly neutral to the idea of hero and villain, and has been hero and villain at once through alternate versions and time travel shenanigans and so on

lilac snow
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Okay yeah, I wavered but put him in the wrong bin

teal mist
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oh adam you weird adult baby

green junco
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This version is more hero than villain

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He's focused on taking down Knull and works with the Guardians

wanton salmon
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modern iron man also ends up being a like, almost pure villain like 1/4 the time, we even has a superior iron man skin

green junco
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Peak skin btw

teal mist
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best MVP splash in the game too

wanton salmon
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if yall could pick one villain each to put in who would you go for?

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id probably pick Spiral

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she actually could reasonably be a strategist too lmao

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universes foremost plastic surgeon, does battlefield healing with space time sorcery tech rays sometimes

green junco
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Doom or Green Goblin

mild pine
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Doctor Octavia

wanton salmon
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oh hell yea dr octavia

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honestly all three great picks

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though in my heart i long for freak pick c tier and bellow characters lmao

teal mist
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Goblin was fun in that Ultimate Alliance he was in, something about just surfing on that stupid glider is more entertaining than regular flight

green junco
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Kinda like iron man but you do a lot of strafing and only have the primary iron man fire but on an angle

wanton salmon
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it would be great as an install part of his kit

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like if he could go on foot as a melee character, or jump on the glider and become ranged, tossing pumpkin bombs in grenade arcs

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maybe even leave the glider as a semi turret, hovering in an area

green junco
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Spiderman 3 someone with it

wanton salmon
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god that would be a fantastic ult

green junco
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Iron man ult but you lose your ability to fly for a bit

wanton salmon
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they could even reuse the rig if they make it a semi-seperate model and intigrated part of his kit

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theres green goblin, hobgoblin, the pumpkin guy, that iron man villain who rides a disk, a bunch of glider characters

runic apex
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a lot of the ironman villans look kinda goofy compared to their armored adventers counterpark

wanton salmon
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yeah iron man villains were mainly designed to like

runic apex
wanton salmon
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be part of this guy

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but they have all had a buncha redesigns over the years

wanton salmon
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or lmao like this at other times

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timber garnet
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Wasn't this guy in Iron Man 2

green junco
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Yeah

runic apex
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yeah but i like the armored adventres design the most

wanton salmon
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im honestly partial to gimp whiplash , its the one i saw first in the 90s comics lmao

runic apex
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armored adventures was better than the concept on paper

wanton salmon
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i really hope we get some of the goofier iron man suit skins at some point too

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especialy as hes already really buff as iron men go, the skintight muscles should work fine

teal mist
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I just want the skins from the beta to show up a'ready orz

mild pine
lilac snow
runic apex
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jimmy olsen

lilac snow
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Shit, that does look like him. What's he doing here?

hexed niche
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He universe hops from time to time

runic apex
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moonlighting for the daily bugle

hexed niche
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He’s Jimmy Olsen

wanton salmon
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rick jones

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he started as hulks sidekick

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then became like, the avengers normal guy

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im gonna see if i can find his hot tuna tshirt to post because its great

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no luck

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but these days he usually has longer hair

fervent pulsar
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lmao

lilac snow
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Nice

wanton salmon
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he also gets to be a hulk a lot

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a blue monster lookin hulk with spikes

runic apex
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i can't think of a villan id like to see in rivals i mainly just want gambit

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i kinda like dc villians more on avarage

hexed niche
sand oracle
maiden radish
wanton salmon
maiden radish
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Like I get why he wasn't a release character but come on, doombots are literally the easiest way to explain it

maiden radish
wanton salmon
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welcome in marvel

maiden radish
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I want MCU stuff to remain cosmetics

wanton salmon
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the mcu SKIN will be cosmetic

maiden radish
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Ugly cosmetics

wanton salmon
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but we will be getting a twinkier doom that can have that skin easily

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rather than the huge chunk dooms in the cinimatics

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god imagine if we get an ultron that makes ultron copies, and a doom with doom bots, along with the loki who makes clone lokies

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screen pollution strat

glass pollen
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I DEMAND VICTOR VON DOOM TO BE ABLE TO FOOT DIVE

mild pine
runic apex
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oh so reed adn sue will be first

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and then johnny and ben later

main parcel
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"What's that smell? The sweet blood, oh, it sings to me. It's enough to make a bub sick..."

raven summit
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Ohhh...

runic apex
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do you think strange's portal will ever get nerfed?

glass pollen
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the only thing they can really do to nerf it is CD reduction

steady flame
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Awww Johnny Blaze is later? poo

glass pollen
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and that shit is arguably a second ult

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just for the sheer utility of it and the fact that it is on a fucking 3 minute cooldown

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you nerf the size

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now chars like groot or venom cant go through

runic apex
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i do think strange has some stuff that could be really broken with it one nerf i do think should happen

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is add an anti portal radious around the spawns

glass pollen
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you stop anything else like keeping momentum or projectiles going through it

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it loses a lot of utility or honestly the fun of it

runic apex
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i saw that video of someone just closing off both doors on a map

raven summit
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Well it seems Sue doesn't have any abilities that focus on healing besides her primary and ult.

glass pollen
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or you mean like convoy spawns?

sand oracle
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I think not being able to put it too close to a spawn is pretty reasonable

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or maybe put it on cooldown (a shorter one) at the start of the game

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though tbh it feels mostly fine

runic apex
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still closing off 2 doors for what ever long is pretty strong evne more so if your fighting against peni

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then they can just cover the only door they can go out of

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and i think some maps only have 2

glass pollen
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cant peni literally wallclimb and just jump over it?

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if the door is big enough?

runic apex
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no i mean strange blocks 2 doors and peni mines the remaning door

glass pollen
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tbh you arent even thinking with enough portals my dude

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groot wall that shit

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put moonknight ank

runic apex
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yeah that too

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they would not be able to get out until the portals are done

glass pollen
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yeah making it keep distance is probably the one thing I can say its a fair change

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we lose all those suicide kills

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oh 3 new maps

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....

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wait that is probably domination maps so arguably just "1" map

timber garnet
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Map does mean different modes iirc

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So they could all be New York themed but they wouldn't be the same type

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If that makes sense

glass pollen
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ok I can kind of see what he means

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venom, cap, wolverine and Storm buffs?

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I mean I can see cap and storm, but I though those other 2 were "fine"?

sand oracle
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wolverine I can get

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venom I don't really

glass pollen
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I mean wolverine is still a tank buster and a threat

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but it doesnt change that he still is forced to sit by, making it a 5v6 until the enemy tanks slip up

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Cloak and dagger buffs?

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I though they were doing OK, arguably the only thing they dont have over mantis/luna is the fact they cant stun

runic apex
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venom was fine

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cloak and dagger was also fine

teal mist
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Venom didn't contribute a lot to like organized play I think, high level never really seemed to have any in there

sand oracle
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honestly cloak and dagger are kinda my GOAT support lol. other than loki obv

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like objectively they're not incredible but they're quite solid

glass pollen
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I can kind of see that because he has the bulk but not the threat compared to like Spidey

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and if the spidey can move his way out that fast

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he doesnt really need the extra health

wanton salmon
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apparently they want the movement tanks to be better at teamplay for varient teamcomps as upper rank teams are just falling into a meta of shields and guns

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maybe they will make venoms tentacles count as melee and go through shields

runic apex
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i think melee goes though strange and magneto but not cap

teal mist
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Problem is the melee tanks kind of melt under unrelenting hail of gunfire

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and half of that gunfire having hard CC

runic apex
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also that would be a nerf to venom

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because melee cant headshot

fervent pumice
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjjy1po-ik

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Mister Fantastic: Stretches Into Action | Character Reveal | Marvel...

Reed Richards has one of the universe's most brilliant minds, but even a genius of his magnitude couldn't have predicted the interstellar incident that bombarded his friends and family with cosmic rays, granting them each extraordinary abilities.

Mister Fantastic's cellular elasticity allows him to stretch his body beyond all physical limits. ...

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runic apex
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a 350 duelist?

fervent pumice
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yeah

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Leakers initially thought he was a vanguard lol

runic apex
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he seems kinda pottentally kinda overly strong

lilac snow
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Character trailers do usually do what they can to hype a character up

runic apex
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thats true

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but his damage seems kinda strong, has peirece,has a lot of hp, can get tank evne more hp, has CC and a reflect ablity

fervent pumice
mild pine
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Definitely seems like they're trying to mix vanguard and- OH MY FUCKING GOD HE'S JUST ZAC

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HE EVEN HAS THE SAME ULT

vast geyser
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Sorry at the end of that trailer

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He just

mild pine
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He even bumps two different attacked people together like Zac does

vast geyser
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Tugs on wolverines nuts so hard he died

mild pine
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He's just zac without the health regen ability

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and a reflect

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Also I did some squirrel girl again because fun and she is fun

runic apex
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shes great

mild pine
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managed to fuck up an iron fist rushing at me

runic apex
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want some tips?

mild pine
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I'm always happy for some. I caught him in a squirrel trap, then hit regularly, E'd, and tapped him in the face again right quick. Was funny.

runic apex
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you can kill a 250 with just a root and two shots

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and you can kill a 275 at melee range with a root>melee>two shots

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SG is a really good backline charcter either protecting your own with acorn throw or killing the enemy backline with acorn throw

hexed niche
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https://fixupx.com/dotodoya/status/1876473253197234257?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

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Quoting Marvel Rivals (@MarvelRivals) Reed Richards has one of the universe's most brilliant minds, but even a genius of his magnitude couldn't have predicted the interstellar incident that bombarded his friends and family with cosmic rays, granting t…
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Quoting Marvel Rivals (@MarvelRivals)

Reed Richards has one of the universe's most brilliant minds, but even a genius of his magnitude couldn't have predicted the interstellar incident that bombarded his friends and family with cosmic rays, granting them each extraordinary abilities.

Mister Fantastic's cellular elasticity allows him to str...

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runic apex
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SG is really good against venom,peni,moonknight, and jeff.
Venom and peni get easily rooted and killed by SG, and moonknights ankh die in one shot to the slingshot, and jeff cant run away or heal himself while rooted Also hard counters the groot team up since you hit both groot and the healer at the same time.

green junco
mild pine
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Thank you for the instructions Fox!
Also can I just say, really eager to see how the new map is destroyed and moved around. I love it when the maps fall apart, and I love the maps more that have large collapses that lets you change or cut off paths.

green junco
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Skin leak(for showing up on the 10th): ||Malice Sue Storm and The Maker Reed coming on the 10th!!!!||

hexed niche
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Oh hell yah

green junco
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Literally peak

fervent pumice
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I saw the Sue skin

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I like it but I'm certain THOSE fans will like it even more

runic apex
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i saw a picture for ants for that skin

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so blurry they probally got it off a smartphone using a satalite

green junco
timber garnet
fervent pumice
timber garnet
green junco
timber garnet
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neat

glass pollen
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like I see half of his kit and this just reminds me of an offtank of paladins

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the one where he grabs people

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can he just grab one?

vast geyser
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Decide to play some before season reset. Lose 1 game to no one wanting to swap off 4 dps, lose the next to a DC right after we get the first point.

glass pollen
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and be able to basically drag them?

vast geyser
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It's okay Netease I can take a hint I'll go watch youtube instead

glass pollen
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because that might turn him into a hazard player

severe zephyr
glass pollen
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yeah he is kind of like Zac

fervent pumice
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https://fxtwitter.com/MarvelRivals/status/1876486418421428254

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🔬 Step into the Mind of a Genius "Me? I'm Reed Richards. The ultimate Reed Richards. The one who's finally going to solve everything." The Maker costume unleashes the dark brilliance of Mister Fantastic, showcasing a version of Reed Richards who's embr…
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🔬 Step into the Mind of a Genius

"Me? I'm Reed Richards. The ultimate Reed Richards. The one who's finally going to solve everything."

The Maker costume unleashes the dark brilliance of Mister Fantastic, showcasing a version of Reed Richards who's embraced the ultimate extremes of intellect. Embrace the essence of a man who's left morality beh...

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green junco
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Helllllll yeahhhhhhhh

mild pine
glass pollen
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So we got a vanguard, a vanguard disguised as a dps, a supp and a dps

green junco
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Coming out strong with Maker is awesome

glass pollen
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honestly

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i take it

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if its "2" vanguards

severe zephyr
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Yeah Mister F seems like a prank character to trick duelist only players into tanking

glass pollen
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the only reason he isnt classified as a vanguard is the healthpool

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being 300

severe zephyr
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He also hits really hard

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True offtank I think

glass pollen
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Paladins moment

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but yeah I see more of a Makoa or khan in here

raven summit
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I hope we get my hybrids or off-whatevers.

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Maybe not Hybrid healers.

lilac snow
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Also dang that skin is pretty fantastic

raven summit
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Haha, haha... 😠

hexed niche
sand kelp
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my dream is that the fastball special can be chained

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it would be so fucking funny if they could play football with the canadian death tornado

lapis aspen
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thing, hulk, wolverine catch game

raven summit
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The Hulk and Thing are rivals...

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Marvel Rivals.

green junco
fervent pulsar
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lmao

glass pollen
fervent pulsar
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HAH

sly yew
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Oh no

hexed niche
severe zephyr
wanton salmon
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I just hope that she has an ability that puts down defensive bubble shields in some way instead of activly healing people.

glass pollen
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there is apparently leaks saying she DOESNT turn invisible

wanton salmon
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even if its like magneto/hulk bubble shields on people, which is already weird to say lmao

wanton salmon
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like if johnny doesnt flame on or hulk doesnt hulk out level stupid

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i could see like, it being a passive and she turns invisible INSIDE immobile shield bubbles or something

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but its in her name and they show it in the trailer

hexed niche
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I’m really wondering if Reed’s main attack is gonna count as a projectile or melee attack

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Because if it’s melee he’ll be an excellent counter to Dr Strange Magneto comps

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Being that long ranged while still ignoring their shields

glass pollen
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i will be hella surprised if they are actually melee coded

hexed niche
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Oh yah probably

fervent pulsar
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Which is the thing he is literally known for

lapis aspen
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Isnt his heal factor represented by shield

wanton salmon
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he does though, his berserker state gives him healing

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fervent pulsar
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i really don't consider that a good rep for his healing factor

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it's a like, one-time cooldown activated by using his E iirc that gives you a modicum of health

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it's not regeneration as much as it is a second wind

lilac snow
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Proposal for new wolverine passive: As long as you didn’t get knocked out of bounds (ie. into a pit or w/e) when you respawn you just stand back up in the same spot you died

hexed niche
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I do think while wolverine’s passive isn’t super evocative of his actual power, it is evocative of what that power makes him

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Which is feeling goddamn impossible to put down

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You can kill him over and over again but he will stay standing and keep fighting

glass pollen
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I had that feeling sometimes

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he is alone, with no healing, against 2 or 3 people

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we are all blasting him and its like

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"why the fuck arent you dead yet?"

sand oracle
wanton salmon
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Honestly I think he could have that AND a very low passive regen as a flavour thing, something that wont do much but is a minor aid over time, but one thats never going to be better than stratagist healing or even taking the time to walk to a health pack, but is there because it makes sense, like lokis minor damage boost on melee backstab.

runic apex
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i think the stand up thing would not be that good for wolverine as it would just make him keep getnig burst down and the team with a wolverine being down a person most of the time

wanton salmon
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hah thats true

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it could completly leave you trapped in unsaveable positions

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and completely cut you off from teamfights

teal mist
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idk if it was because she's tiny or got a bit more launched out of the Meka quicker but it feels far different from D.va

lilac snow
runic apex
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dva got yeeted out of it

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and it is faster

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hulk does have the upside of completely invicable during transformation

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to the point he can dodge ults

hexed niche
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Also DVA out of her mech is a lot stronger then Bruce out of hulk

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Her gun was actually decent

sand oracle
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in theory banner's grenade lets him jump away

hexed niche
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Bruce is a lot just something that’s nice to have to survive sometimes and not something you wanna play around like DVA

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Mostly just because his ult doesn’t make him Bruce like DVA’s self destruct

sand oracle
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honestly getting stuck as bruce sometimes feels worse than just respawning imo

vast geyser
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Bruce would be a lot easier to survive as if there wasn't a brief period where you are killable but can't move yet

hexed niche
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https://youtu.be/MhgYIMEG1Zo?si=OHbc8Y9f03CoUFKh

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Invisible Woman: Unseen Force | Character Reveal | Marvel Rivals

Cosmic rays altered Susan Storm on a cellular level, granting her the ability to generate impenetrable force fields and to make herself fade from sight in an instant. Despite her frequent lack of visibility, it has always been perfectly clear that Sue is the force holding her family - the Fantastic Four - together.

After the Timestream Entan...

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runic apex
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she seems mainly fine, id say my main worry is the invisablity passive and the ult

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it looks like another "you don't get to play the game for 8 seconds" ult

hexed niche
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From the trailer it looks like you’ll just need to get in the pillar to see the enemy team again

runic apex
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it also blocks damage from outside

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i think

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if its just a big invisablity area then its fine

compact brook
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it looked like it also seemed to heal as well

runic apex
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if it does then yeah its another 8 second you don't get to play ult

wanton salmon
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god im pissed they give her healig but they have at least given her so much shield and invis surviveability thats she is gonna be tanky as hell when played smart

runic apex
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i don't think she will be tanky at all

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i think she will be the most frail healer in the game

wanton salmon
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shes got two dashes two shield walls and can invis

hexed niche
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That gravity well ability she has seems great

runic apex
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i didnt see any dashes

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just a double jump

lilac snow
wanton salmon
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thought her shield tunnel boosted her and thought the double jump was a mini dash

runic apex
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her sheild is also not gonna help to much since it looks like the deployable version is pretty small most support hunters will just go around it

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it mainly will stop snipers

wanton salmon
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why the hell can she heal people

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and why the hell cant she make a shield bubble

hexed niche
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She can

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One of her abilities put down a shield wall

runic apex
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she just cant bubble herself i think

wanton salmon
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a wall isnt a bubble. her shield bubble ult doesnt even block its a team invis

runic apex
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yeah nevem its not a bubble

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just little walls like groot

wanton salmon
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you have two characters, one known for tanky shields and one known for science tech that includes healing

and make the tanky shielder a healer and the tech healer a combo dps tank

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like a bubble around yourself you hold up to shield allies is an increadibly easy hero fps ability even if she was going to be given healing stuff as well

runic apex
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they might be trying to advoid barrier metas

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like overwatch had for a good while

hexed niche
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Yah that sucked

wanton salmon
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i had reached a point of acceptance where "okay they wont make her a vanguard because they are misogenist but she can still be a strategist based around shields, rocket gives armour so its something they are happy to do"

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but no
fucks sake

runic apex
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i don't think its misogyny, i think its more of most marvel women are pretty thin so finding a female vanguard is gonna be harder. You can't really have a thin tank from a balance perspective and the ones we do have in some got kinda warped a bit like peni got shrunk a little(if the spiderworld map is the real size of the suit), and strange got wide as did wolverine

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Armor would work

hexed niche
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Admittedly I am really wondering what Emma frost is gonna look like in this game because if she’s a vanguard they’re probably gonna have to make her kinda huge compared to what she normally looks like

sand kelp
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Give her ice armor

hexed niche
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Like comically tall Dr strange

runic apex
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she doesnt have ice powers i think

hexed niche
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She’s a telepath and has diamond skin

lapis aspen
sand kelp
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Oh right. It was diamond skin. I forgot-

runic apex
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Kamala Khan could maybe work due to her being able to change her size

sand kelp
raven summit
hexed niche
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It was actually a rumor in universe Johnny and Pete were dating

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Because Johnny was out as a super hero and a celebrity and was roommates with this random photographer for the daily bugle

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So like, why was this young bachelor celebrity rooming with this total nobody he was never before seen with?

sand oracle
runic apex
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yeah they can but its still more limiting

hexed niche
wanton salmon
# runic apex i don't think its misogyny, i think its more of most marvel women are pretty thi...

saying that a vanguard has to be big body and that a womans body cant be large or cant even be represented as large by cosmetic effects like dr strange, is misogyny

but i didnt even say that. i had accepted that they would make her a strategist with lower health. i just wanted her to be able to shield herself and her allies with her shield powers and turn invisible. even if they mechanically made it work like healing, by using the existing in game features to represent that rather than by creating new stuff for her. so give her bubble shields and armor based healing, which both exist on multiple characters.

but they didnt do that, her powers are now ricocheting energy bolts, healing, and turning groups invisible

hexed niche
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I thought I was about to go to a very different site for a sec

raven summit
hexed niche
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True enough

wanton salmon
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like i just watched the trailers again and they literally have reed jumping infront of sue to protect her by tanking shile she heals him

runic apex
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Theres def some charcters they could strech i just can't think of any off hand.

wanton salmon
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thats the literal exact opposite of their dynamic and power combo

glass pollen
sand kelp
lilac snow
wanton salmon
runic apex
wanton salmon
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like, yeah like tech said

runic apex
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go with armor

glass pollen
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also I dont understand that Strange got wider, The cape helps making him more imposed?

lilac snow
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Oh I was thinking spherical bubble, but Armor would be great for that too

glass pollen
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he is not ripped compared to like magneto

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who is a brickhouse

wanton salmon
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hulk starts as a skinny guy, and uses an ability to become a big tank with high hp and wide body
sue could do the same thing, with an ability that puts a moveable bubble shield over her, done

wanton salmon
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and to be easily readable as tanks

sand kelp
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I do wish she'd actually have the bubble shield as a tank but they can't be too creative with the fem characters, which does piss me off

glass pollen
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still, Strange fakes the size withthestupid big cape

wanton salmon
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yes thats the problem

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the fact that strange can do that

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but sue cant

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its a solved issue

glass pollen
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Pretty sure its more to do with how the tank role is just not that popular

wanton salmon
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or even keep her as a support, but have her "heal" put a bubble shield on people like both magneto and hulk can do (which they cannot normally do)

sand kelp
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Emma Frost could swing that herself, but there's not a lot of fem characters with capes

glass pollen
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as in, you will use them out of neccesity

runic apex
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they probally didn't want her bubbleshielding herself and allies for balance reasons

glass pollen
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not because you want then

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also like foxknight said

wanton salmon
glass pollen
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shield meta was a problem in OW

wanton salmon
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and they had all these characters planned since launch

sand kelp
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Can... I swear the video showed that she can put a shield on someone

runic apex
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yes and adding too many can cause a new issue

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barrier meta was never a problem in overwatch until there was too many barriers that you could stack

wanton salmon
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she puts a small low health disc shield on the ground infront of a target ally as one ability, she cant do it for herself

hexed niche
glass pollen
hexed niche
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It was 600 HP so the same as cap shield

sand kelp
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Ah, gotcha

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Actually wait that's Higher than Cap's shield, his is 400

wanton salmon
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like, they gave two dudes who dont normally have shield powers a bubble shield
and gave the lady who can normally make bubble shields healing

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if she can put her shield down for herself than thats not too bad at all
but i was told earlier that she cant do that and that the shield is low hp

glass pollen
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honestly it kinda sounds like you were ready to hate on her iteration if it was not what you imagined

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like you were ready to hate from the get go

hexed niche
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600 HP isn’t low

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That’s a tank’s worth of health

wanton salmon
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again, i was told it was low and that she cant use it for herself

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if thats not true, its different

glass pollen
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dont we have some people playing the chars on twitch as teasers?

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maybe check them over there?

wanton salmon
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i dont know, people didnt post that here, they posted her trailer

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which is reasonable to react to

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as its

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you know

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the trailer for her that was posted here

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i also do not hate her because she dont exist- i have already been pretty clear about not liking the misogyny in the game

glass pollen
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ingle it just sounds like you had way too high expectations or you were expecting sue to be a jack of all trades or OP

wanton salmon
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the game is a thing made by people

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i have also repeatedly said that i had already accepted that she wont be that

runic apex
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i think the shield is 300

wanton salmon
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despite the fact that reed is a jack of all trades

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in this game as people have made it

glass pollen
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he cant heal

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*others

runic apex
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i do think reed could end up being overtuned

wanton salmon
glass pollen
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..... you mean with tech?

wanton salmon
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people go to reed all the time for healing! he does battlefield health with tech!

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im not just "already ready to hate sue"
im mad about active decisions that look like they have been made

sand kelp
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Rivals has a lot of fun character designs, and unfortunately they are very very limiting in the fem character designs, which annoys me, but the fans eat that shit up bc if you make woman other than Sexy Body Suit you get crumbs

And it's not that they're adapting those characters poorly, in some cases they're actually making them More tasteful, but it's kinda irritating to me bc all of the masc characters have such incredible variety in size and silhouette and the inverse is very obviously Not true, even though they should have license to get as wild with it as anyone else

wanton salmon
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i havewnt even mentioned the sexy body suit designs myself

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as that level of misogyny is to be expected in this kind of thing

sand kelp
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Ik you haven't, that's my opinion regardless-

wanton salmon
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but yeah

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i agree with you

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apologies for that

glass pollen
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so are we going to ignore magik

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or psylocke?

wanton salmon
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??

glass pollen
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what junobo said about "only sexy bodysuit"

sand kelp
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I'm not ignoring them at all, but they're far from the default as far as these designs tend to swing

wanton salmon
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this is a sexy bodysuit

Magik_Hero_Portrait.webp
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this is also a sexy bodysuit

Psylocke_Hero_Portrait.webp
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they both look cool, and are better than i expected

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but they are both sexy bodysuits

fallow stump
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Magik with the big fucking armour is cool

wanton salmon
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yeah its great

glass pollen
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im not going to argue then if you have your ideas already set on that

wanton salmon
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the game has genuine moments of actual brilliance in both design and emchanics

fallow stump
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Most of the attraction that I have to magik anyway is to big monster and to the hairstyle lol.

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And big sord

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Don't forget about big sord

sand kelp
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Beeg Sword

wanton salmon
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like if i was going to complain about magic, id complain that they gave her a big magic sword instead of her Soulsword, which is a genuinely important part of her character, but thats a minor aesthetic choice, or that they made darkchild an install rather than a "bad end" for the character in some timelines

lapis aspen
wanton salmon
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but i can accept that, as she is a lower popularity character, this is an au, and shes cool

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a sexualized outfit where the majority of it is skin tight

glass pollen
wanton salmon
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or otherwise form fitting

glass pollen
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what chars like Peni or dagger wear

wanton salmon
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it doesnt have to be painted on or featureless

glass pollen
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ignoring you have other girls like mantis or squirrel girl

wanton salmon
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and you can ahve other things on top of them

glass pollen
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and luna at least is a k pop singer so her outfit makes sense with her characterization

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there is not that many body suits but whatever, im not going to get into this argument

wanton salmon
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but as a design, its a figure hugging outfits that outline the body, as opposed to armour or normal clothing
very common in marvel designs for both men and women, mostly used in rivals for women
spidermans outift in rivals is a bodysuit, but not really sexy

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it could be though and it would be cool to get a sexy spiderman outfit at some point

sand kelp
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Ben Reilly Croptop lmao

wanton salmon
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as the game is definitely using sexualisation as a marketing point, and it isnt COMPLETLY restricted to the women

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like we got some sexy dudes like namor and nearly nips out adam warlock

glass pollen
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venom cake

hexed niche
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Honestly I’d consider Venom’s design to be one of the few sexy male body suits in this game (though technically it’s more accurate to say he’s just naked)

wanton salmon
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yeah

sand kelp
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Venom is great, I have no notes, he's just an outstanding Venom design

glass pollen
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I saw a mod that said "venom naked"

wanton salmon
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or well, depends on the lore they are going for, sometimes its naked eddy brock fully engulfed in his living slime partner which you know, thats sexualised

glass pollen
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i was like "what is the differen-"

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"Ah right, the 19 inches"

hexed niche
glass pollen
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yeah I wonder how eddy feels in there since it seems to be venom only characterization

wanton salmon
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but yeah the main beef i really have with this game in terms of its misogyny is the restriction on what women can do, more than just the sexualisation of how they look

glass pollen
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eddy doesnt have a voice

hexed niche
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Well Eddie does have a voice

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He’s just as much venom as the symbiote is

wanton salmon
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like storm having buffs, invisible woman having healing

hexed niche
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They’re fused, not overtaken

wanton salmon
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its points of infuriation inside a game thats genuinely fantastic

hexed niche
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say that again

sly yew
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Isnt invisible woman like super scary?

hexed niche
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She has threatened to put a force field in a man’s arteries before

glass pollen
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Yeah honestly she looks like she will be a menace in gameplay

hexed niche
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She didn’t but she could

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Also I will say this definitely does seem like another damage focused healer like Adam Warlock or Mantis

wanton salmon
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or say black widow being a sniper instead of a melee character

hexed niche
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Her gravity well seems to shit out damage based off what it did to Thor

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So they do have the powers are terrifying aspect to her

wanton salmon
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not universal, but specific issues I have with specific choices

glass pollen
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So the only team that annoys you is the fact that the femme fatales and healers are the majority of the chars?

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and it doesnt seem like they want to add tank girls?

wanton salmon
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? im afraid I cant quite parse that, but sorta

glass pollen
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you are talking about a game that isnt even 3 months old, we can wait

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and its not like they arent onboard doing weird stuff in it

wanton salmon
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i do not have to wait

glass pollen
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jeff the land shark is already proof

wanton salmon
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i am allowed to not like specific issues about the game

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and its treatment of female characters

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hell it already has more characters than overwatch did on launch

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its reasonable to judge it for its actions

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its no tiny indie game that needs time
its done a lot, and a lot of what its done is good

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and yet, can still be misogynyist

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like its a marvel game too

sand kelp
# wanton salmon or say black widow being a sniper instead of a melee character

Again, I don't think any of the fem characters are poorly adapted, they show license for just about everyone, bc they can't All be lore accurate, but it's also just simply that the amount of license women get is more limiting, which sucks.

Widow being a sniper instead of getting up close and personal with martial arts and wrist guns.
Storm not being the Scariest Motherfucker next to Thor in her powerset
Mantis even Using a ranged option
Peni gets a pass bc of weird tech shit
Psylocke I don't know much about but she seems pretty well adapted

glass pollen
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magik is still a close and personal combatant

wanton salmon
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no one has said that the game doesnt let women be close and personal combatants

sand kelp
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Yeah bc it'd be ridiculous if she wasn't. Unless they wanted to do a Namor lol

left parrot
hexed niche
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Huh?

compact brook
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huh?

glass pollen
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I just think you are jumping the gun and assuming its misoginy too fast or easily, but also what do I know, Im a dude

sand kelp
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You can't know what the intent is for certain, but it's not at all an unreasonable conclusion to jump to given what's been shown

hexed niche
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Thor is rad

sand kelp
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Also yeah, Thor is pretty good, tf you mean?

left parrot
#

perchance

sly yew
compact brook
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sorry for hijacking the actuall conversation yeah thor (despite being kinda bad if ya dont know what you are doing) is really good

wanton salmon
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thors trickey and doesnt play exactly like you might guess on first seeing him but he is very strong

sly yew
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I like playing thor

wanton salmon
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dashing in and comboing his abilities he does massive damage and survives for ages

compact brook
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amazing 1v1 fighter

hexed niche
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Dude kinda just doesn’t die and can pull squishies away from the rest of their team

sly yew
wanton salmon
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yeah

glass pollen
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thor is more of a brawler but he can die easily if you dont know what you are doing

wanton salmon
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just, bonk, get in the thor taxi, we are going to damage town

glass pollen
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you need help

wanton salmon
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yeah

hexed niche
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He also has maybe the best sustain out of all of the tanks

wanton salmon
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hes tricky

compact brook
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dominates almost anyone in a """"fair"""" fight

hexed niche
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With constant additional 100 bonus health

wanton salmon
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like you have to work out how his thorfoce stuff works

left parrot
glass pollen
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I would argue magneto

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or venom

compact brook
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also the awaken rune has busted damage ive wiped out squishies in droves with it AND the attacks have a small AOE

hexed niche
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I’m more saying like, constant sustain

left parrot
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venom has a 'fill up 90% of your healthbar again' button

hexed niche
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Venom and Magneto have great burst sustain but it only lasts so long

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Thor can just keep fighting

sand kelp
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I should've been clearer I was talking about Thor as he exists in the comics, but both things are true.

My point was, Of the characters that can shoot lightning and what have you, Storm is terrifying

Especially bc she can do way more than lightning. Having control over storms technically gives her a wider sphere of influence than Thor bc wind and rain aren't in his purview lmao

left parrot
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he does control wind and rain

compact brook
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yeah but thor can take out a venom with "ease" thor has the survivability venom doesn't in a prolonged fight

hexed niche
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Also I will say while Storm absolutely needs buffs, we probably shouldn’t be talking about comic power levels when it comes to how this game should feel

glass pollen
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storm is getting buffs alongside wolverine

hexed niche
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Oh nice

left parrot
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i haven't seen storm be any useful in this game she's only ever been on the enemy team and she's only ever died instantly

compact brook
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thank whoever for that

glass pollen
#

venom, cap and c&d

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are getting buffs too

sand kelp
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I know, I was just providing a vibe. If they were lore accurate Logan would always be a meta pick bc you could Never Ever kill him

runic apex
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C&D is one im confused on getting buffs

glass pollen
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the only ones that are being nerfed "legitimally" are Hela and hawkeye

glass pollen
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they are probably turning part of that base kit

sand kelp
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Yeah, C&D would feel very bad with even less healing

wanton salmon
compact brook
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thor kinda needs his season buff, not that he would lose alot but it does make him ALOT weaker compared to the other tanks in their more solidified roles

glass pollen
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we need to play it have a feeling

wanton salmon
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also apparently the c&d buff is related to the wolverine buff, both are meant to be because they want characters who can enable different teamp compositions that heal + shields + snipers at higher levels

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same as the mobility tank buffs

glass pollen
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they seem to be onboard doing mid season adjustmentes

wanton salmon
#

yeah

sand kelp
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We'll see how it pans out

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I'm sure I'll have a decent time of it all considered

glass pollen
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besides we dont even know how hard is the bonk to hawkeye and hela

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it might just be a slap on the wrist

wanton salmon
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honestly I am hoping storm gets a partial rework as part of her buff, but I doubt it. really she should just turn the ally buffs into enemy debuffs, and make them synergize with her kit more

sand kelp
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Giving Hawk a damage cap would be the play probably

glass pollen
wanton salmon
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but again i doubt it

glass pollen
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so he still one shots

wanton salmon
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they got options

compact brook
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i dont think he should oneshot

glass pollen
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I think the threat should be there

compact brook
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almost eliminate yeah oneshot no

sand kelp
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Storm really got hit hard w nerfs after the test iirc, and it sucks bc every time I see her out of ult I literally ignore her

compact brook
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mabye with an ability?

glass pollen
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hawkeye shouldnt just do a huntsman and spam in a chokepoint and get kills

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that is not ok

wanton salmon
#

one shots are a beloved part of hero shooters to people who can hit them, but if you can oneshot on m1 then it becomes increadibly difficult to ballance in a way without ending up in a meta defined by one shots vs anti one shots (shields, counter sniping)

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and right now apparently upper level meta is too much one shots vs shields

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with hela and hawkeye just popping people when they arent dead or shooting at people behind a shield

teal mist
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tbf that's true of a lot of level metas, because youtube has told them it's the new hotness

glass pollen
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honestly I think we have luck we arent getting GOATS in marvel rivals yet

wanton salmon
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it works, and its easy to play without much team coordination

sand kelp
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Hawkeye being as unmitigatedly powerful as he is really leads me to think that nobody was really that good at him in testing, bc there is No Way people didn't realize how easily he can kill literally anybody

glass pollen
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and that is probably thanks to wolverine

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eating nice and happy

teal mist
runic apex
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its an odd way to make a hero good at specifcly good at killing tanks but i do think its kinda smart

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it make them a tank killer without an everyone shrteadder

wanton salmon
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like maybe if hunters focus was REQUIRED for headshots at all, so you cant instant one shot people as soon as they appear, but can still focus down an unprotected tank

glass pollen
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yeah I get that

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either the headshot bonus should exist when fully charged

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or make it take longer so it doesnt getit asap

vast geyser
sand kelp
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His body shots are still chunky damage, and unlike Widow he has No reload to speak of which is ludicrous

glass pollen
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so he cant just spam arrows

wanton salmon
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and quickplay

vast geyser
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Well you see

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The key is

runic apex
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rn a fully charged bodyshot and a single quickshot kills most charcters

vast geyser
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They are banned every game

wanton salmon
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ah which for some reason they dont want you to do in lower level games lmao

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which is going to skew ballancing sooooo much

vast geyser
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It should probably at least be in plat

wanton salmon
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(not necceserily BAD but necceserily DIFFERENT)

glass pollen
#

it should probably exist for gold or plat

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yeah

vast geyser
#

It is definitely an effect of the roster not being fully fleshed out yet but potentially 4 heroes banned and two of them being the head clickers makes for a very different feel compared to before

wanton salmon
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honestly I would just add banning to all of comp

glass pollen
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meh, To bronze and silver is kind of overkill

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imagine you are a onetrick

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that already in bronze they kick you out of your main

wanton salmon
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yes, one tricks need to learn to not one trick, or they will one trick up to gold or plat

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and then hit bans

vast geyser
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I don't have to imagine I am a one trick in Dota and my hero is banned 50% of the time

wanton salmon
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and be in a worse position

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i used to like bans in dota even at lower levels

glass pollen
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but if you want to climb further

wanton salmon
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as you dont have to play comp

vast geyser
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When they add banning to Deadlock I will basically become an invalid

sand kelp
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I need Widow to get some buffs bc she is a very feelsbad character atm. Though if she does get more powerful she'd be oppressive to use, I Get that, but also how can you say that you want snipers to be reined in and allow both Hela and Hawk to exist

wanton salmon
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but bans necceserily alter the meta

runic apex
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just onetrick charcter nobody bans like me

wanton salmon
#

hell, i would say its meta changing enough that it would be worth having a "no ban comp" that effectivly bronze to silver
then "tournament comp"

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where you have bans

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so if you want you can play low level comp with bans

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or if you are one trick, you can play a ranked mode without bans

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but the game will be massivly differnet with it or without it, and harder to practice competative play when you dont have accsess to it

glass pollen
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I just think that forcing bans from the start will hurt more than help

runic apex
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Theres several charters i can play decently but none compare to how well i can play squirrel girl

glass pollen
#

by gold or so if you want to climb more

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absolutely go for the bans

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you got out of the arguably kiddie pool

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either flex or cry that you dont get to use your char this match

runic apex
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i think having the bans lower will be good, if you want a compromize maybe only make it ban 2 instead of 4

glass pollen
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that is one thing they could do

wanton salmon
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where as i cant play often and am not as skilled but like the idea of band and have fond memories of them lower ranks in other gamrs

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yeah that would be reasonable too

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especially as they expand the roster maybe they will implement that later

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at some point it may be neccesery to prevent things like all flying team compositions or other odd combos that arent possible when you have bans

glass pollen
#

I do find it funny how squirrel girl is like

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basically Demoman

wanton salmon
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as it looks like their will be 8 heroes a year going forwards which will real quick add some odd combos

glass pollen
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with his pipe launcher

timber garnet
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I think she's more Junkrat than Demoman

wanton salmon
#

gimme black knight as a demoknight next

glass pollen
runic apex
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i think she is more junkrat

glass pollen
#

and that was taken by peni and technically moonknight

wanton salmon
#

penny has the stickies and worse landmine stickies

runic apex
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but she isnt that spamable

timber garnet
#

I can't wait until they add Batman

wanton salmon
#

yeah

runic apex
#

her shots have a very low trigger radius so you need direct hits alot more than junkrat

sand kelp
wanton salmon
timber garnet
wanton salmon
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ooo could work

glass pollen
#

blade is coming next season supposedly

timber garnet
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Think they're ever gonna add Gwenpool?

glass pollen
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it is odd that we have vampires and he is out of sight

sly yew
timber garnet
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I know Deadpool is likely inevitable

wanton salmon
#

theorized yeah as the pattern seems to be the villain of each season has their arch enemy come next season

glass pollen
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especially when spiderman confirmed he is around

timber garnet
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But Jeff is from Gwenpool

wanton salmon
#

i hope we get gwenpool too

runic apex
#

theres only one time ive had just spam blindly down a hallway work

sly yew
#

Did u know deadpool used to hang out with jeff? wixelsSit

timber garnet
#

Yeah

wanton salmon
#

a pool update with gwen and dead

timber garnet
#

Add Dante

lilac snow
wanton salmon
#

so far

glass pollen
wanton salmon
#

but two if you believe the blade thing

glass pollen
#

doom, fantastic four

lilac snow
#

Like, it hasn't been wrong yet, no

glass pollen
#

now dracula

timber garnet
glass pollen
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if blade comes over

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it can work

lilac snow
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Ah yeah assuming Drac and vampires into Blade

wanton salmon
#

so a pattern of one and a second pattern of half

but no confirmation yet

lilac snow
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Then it's two for two

wanton salmon
#

yeah

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the if we get ultron as next seasons villain we could get ant man

glass pollen
#

Like i said, he is already hinted

timber garnet
#

Do we know if it's Dracula or just a weird Strange variant?

lilac snow
#

Imagine if Ant-Man could actually be ant sized in a shooter game

timber garnet
#

For the narrative antagonist of Season 1

glass pollen
#

I keep saying, Make Drax a tank

lilac snow
#

Or alternatively as The Wasp, like 8" tall and flying and zipping around

wanton salmon
glass pollen
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and make it a passive he becomes invisible if he stands still 10 seconds

timber garnet
#

I forget, what's Drax like in the comics

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I only know his MCU incarnation

wanton salmon
#

honestly one thing I would like more than anything on a personal level, is one female character whose design is not sexualized even if it is feminine

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one would be nice

timber garnet
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Big Bertha

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But uhhhhh

wanton salmon
#

being fat doesnt mean not sexualized, and given how hot they made squirrel girl, i think they could make bertha hot

timber garnet
#

Admittedly i dunno many female heroes personally :v

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Yeah true

wanton salmon
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i like hot women

glass pollen
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madam Web

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gimme gilf

timber garnet
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Paul

wanton salmon
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but yeah, Janet Van Dyne Wasp, Madam Web, Destiny, RESCUE

timber garnet
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Hmm

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Agatha Harkness maybe?

lilac snow
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Madam Web's rep is ruined in 2024-25, we probably need to give it a few years

wanton salmon
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Sometimes Gwenpool, sometimes Elsa Bloodstone

timber garnet
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Morbius and Blade. Coming 2024

glass pollen
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morbing time

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i cant believe midnight suns made the joke

lilac snow
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Janet Wasp would definitely be sexualized

wanton salmon
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i dont expect them to not make jean gray sexualized, let ALONE if we get emma frost, its practically required for her character to be sexualized

runic apex
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i havent pay a lot of attention to marvel in a long time so im not sure about a lot of the stuff, i payed attetion a lot more as a kid due to all the games i liked like xmen legends, ultimate alience etc

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so many good games

lilac snow
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Yeah Emma Frost is in the "actual character trait" zone, Black Widow too kinda

wanton salmon
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yeah

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its not bad to have a sexualized female character

sand kelp
runic apex
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I like jubilee but her ablity seems like one giant unfun to fight against in rivals due to how flashy she is

glass pollen
wanton salmon
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but i would like to have a female character where I am less likely to have people in a lobby running round me to oggle in the spawn room, as it skeevs me out increadibly

lilac snow
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Mystique with kit inspired by TF2 spy >.>

glass pollen
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I do wonder how they could make wasp different from like

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starlord

sand kelp
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Avengers EMH has a peak Janet design, I take no criticism

glass pollen
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you know?

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maybe a stun in her kit?

severe zephyr
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Only having bans above a certain rank seems weird

wanton salmon
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hell, in a few years I would love to see them stick a limb out and give us Dust

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dust RULES

lilac snow
severe zephyr
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Seems more reasonable to just have them in comp in general

runic apex
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Rogue is a charcter that would be neat, but i feel like she would be a nightmare to actully put into the game

lapis aspen
wanton salmon
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but dust as a pick would likely go beyond non sexualized into making a political statement that would get kick back just by including her, even if shes not dressed like that in every skin

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maybe misty knight in her detective outfit with her robot arm

timber garnet
wanton salmon
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be fun combo for moon knight

timber garnet
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Not that the characters in the game aren't but

severe zephyr
lilac snow
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[Sees EMH Sif from the chest up] "Oh that's a pretty cool design" [Sees a full body shot] "Were the thighs really necessary?"

timber garnet
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That's just me i suppose

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Grantsd

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I never watched EMH

severe zephyr
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Dealing with the Bullshit Meta until you climb enough also doesn’t sound pleasant

sand kelp
wanton salmon
timber garnet
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Ye fair

wanton salmon
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or say, twink prettyboy loki and thor

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loki isnt very sexualized but he is definitely designed to be attractive sexually

sand kelp
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Also Fem Loki when you fuckin cowards

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It's In the comics, there's precedent

wanton salmon
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thor is likewise attractive to some, but its not a "design point" for a wider audiennce

runic apex
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im glad we got marvel rising SG and not creepy harlequin face SG

wanton salmon
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honestly i really hope we both get creepy harlequin sg AND slightly chubbier comic sg as skins at some point

runic apex
wanton salmon
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i love her so much

runic apex
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i want sailormoon sg

lilac snow
wanton salmon
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that face is so fucking good

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PRIME fucking reaction image

runic apex
wanton salmon
# runic apex

imagine how good the reaction images a squirrel girl skin like this could give

wanton salmon
lilac snow
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Squirrel Girl is kinda nuts

sand kelp
runic apex
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i didn't like the new year costume

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i don't like either costume so far

wanton salmon
lilac snow
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Nah

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But also, we should get Carol Danvers, she'd be a real marvel

runic apex
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how many ms marvels are there

sand kelp
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You know what would be fun? Getting Monica Rambeau as Captain Marvel out the gate instead

lilac snow
green junco
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Carol Danvers vanguard would be great

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Or any Captain Marvel

lilac snow
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Yeah, called it

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As Ms. Marvel, there's been Carol Danvers, Sharon Ventura, Karla Sofen, and Kamala Khan

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While there's been seven Captain Marvels

sand kelp
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So there's a Ms. Marvel and Cpt. Marvel potential there

hexed niche
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I really would love Kamala

lilac snow
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Mar-Vell (yes), Monica Rambeau, Genis-Vell, Phyla-Vell, Khn'nr, Noh-Varr, and Carol Danvers

green junco
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Kamala would be awesome

sand kelp
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Also I want to see Phyla-Vell's Quasar

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If the leaks are to be believed, Emma Frost is making it in, and so are Angela and Jean

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Angela has the potential to be one of the only fem characters with actual body mass please God

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If for no other reason than to distinguish her from Magik visually, just bulk her up, even a little bit? It would not be a hard ask

glass pollen
sand kelp
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Wall

wanton salmon
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honestly i hope theres a few characters where we can get different people with the same power set and related backgrounds who can be skins with the gap bridged by alternate clothing/energy effects around the model

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like the literal spiderman clones (we already have a ben chasm outfit for peter)

glass pollen
wanton salmon
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but also maybe the captain marvels

sand kelp
wanton salmon
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yeah its true

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but some characters who share a title are obviously more different han others

hexed niche
runic apex
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i think with spidermen its kinda hard to make other charcters

wanton salmon
runic apex
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most are little more than a diffrent coat of paint

wanton salmon
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miles is very different, so is 2099

glass pollen
sand kelp
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Ben and Kaine are literally clones of him and he's gotten costumes from both

wanton salmon
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like miles has invisibility, stun, lightning sword

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kaine has Big Mode

glass pollen
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we have already some that should be different chars that dont have unique voicelines

wanton salmon
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2099 has laser webs, flight, claws

hexed niche
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Yah miles and Miguel have different enough powers from Peter they can qualify for their own characters

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Rather then just skins for Pete like Chasm and Ben

wanton salmon
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spiderpunk is marginal even if i love hobart but you COULD definitely push him to more unique

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give him a guitar weapon, have him run on the ground more

sand kelp
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Unfortunately that is Also just a skin

glass pollen
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Does miguel have extremis?

hexed niche
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Yah I think Hobie is just gonna be a skin

glass pollen
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i ask because I played web of time

wanton salmon
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Hobie WAS a skin in the beta but its uncertain

glass pollen
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and in that one you could play as 2099, ultimate, noir and regular

wanton salmon
glass pollen
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the special ability of miguel was a slowdown

wanton salmon
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like some of the characters are more their own version or pulling from specific other versions for rivals

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like psylockes psiknife being a psikunai firing psicrossbow

runic apex
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psylock is based on sai

glass pollen
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yeah there is no body hopping with this psylocke lore

runic apex
wanton salmon
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yeah like i said

runic apex
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also its kinda noteable that she mentions other charcters

wanton salmon
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pulling from a specific version

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yeah

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i know

runic apex
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which i think its neat

wanton salmon
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like her venom being called orochi

sand kelp
runic apex
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hulk being an oni hero in the mountains, logan being her pet wolf now

wanton salmon
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yeah

wanton salmon
runic apex
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i think they should give rocket placeable explosives he can trigger

glass pollen
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yeah I feel he should have some bomb

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he is ROCKET racoon

runic apex
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he also is kinda the most boring charcter

wanton salmon
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honestl i think he should have got armour isntead of healing, like sue should

runic apex
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he can boost,shoot, shoot heal and thats all he is for interactiveity

wanton salmon
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very similar but mechanically somewhat different

wanton salmon
runic apex
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you throw it into a corner and forget about it mainly

sand kelp
runic apex
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its not something active

glass pollen
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apparently rocket is one of the highest dps in the strategists

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the problem is damage falloff and bullet speed

wanton salmon
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like if i had full directorial controls i would have made storm a tank, rocket a dps and strange a strategist with a heavy focus healing with the eye of agamoto time reversal and stunning with the bands of cyttorak

sand kelp
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If you get close, yeah. The issue is that you have to Try not to headshot him

wanton salmon
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probably also made wolverine a split/off tank-dps

sand kelp
wanton salmon
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yeah but just shuffling existing charactors i mean

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as a lot are great but a few engender odd choices

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mechanically

sand kelp
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Yeah, I think Strange could use the Eye for like a Tracer-esque recall instead

lilac snow
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There are honestly so many different Spider-Mans as a result of Spider-Verse/etc material that you could start making Spidey skins for other Rivals characters

wanton salmon
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drop his health, swap his shield for a stun and a heal, give his cloak flight a dash at the start for escape, and he would be a perfect strategist . might have to trade his dark magik expulsion explosion for cyttorak but that could come out in ballancing

sand kelp
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Would Sue take up the Rein role then?

glass pollen
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my brain follows paladins characters

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WHERE IS MY FERNANDO!?!!?!?!?!?

runic apex
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i don't see storm as a tank, strange yeah i could see really fit in any role, rocket as a dps makes more sense than strat.

hexed niche
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Honestly I like rocket as a support just because it is kinda weird

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It’s a support pull that’s not obvious and I like that

glass pollen
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"Reed has it and can make it WAAAAY bigger"

severe zephyr
round gazelle
celest wadi
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... Emma frost in a white version of that coat from that one gif of Anastasia.

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Perfect

sand oracle
wanton salmon
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emma frost with a big coat, and some diamond spikes in her armour form, maybe a really big updo hairdo

sand kelp
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I can see nothing but wins for giving Emma a big coat

runic apex
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my guess is she is probally gonna be a high hp duelist like reed cause poeple thought reed was gonna be a tank at first

sand kelp
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I thought the leaks had her pegged for a vanguard

runic apex
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i heard the same thing about reed

sand oracle
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if emma isn't a vanguard I will be baffled tbh

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reed I can totally get flexibility on

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but like. that would be like colossus or something not being a vanguard

sand kelp
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Sue Also should've been a vanguard but we need more girl healers ig.

Not that I'm complaining about getting more healers.

I am waiting with baited breath for whenever Ultron gets on the roster for real, bc I am Never switching off him if I can help it

timber garnet
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Coming soon to Marvel Rivals: Allison Wanda Ruth

hexed niche
lilac snow
hexed niche
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Base 300 health, his passive gets him to 600 when it’s triggered, he has a reflect ability and a bunch of CC with his slam together

runic apex
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base 350

wanton salmon
# sand kelp Would Sue take up the Rein role then?

nah no dash, not that strong in the melee, and bubble shields rather than a holdable shield or wall shield
i could write a huge long thing for a design for , but honestly I would be happy so long as:

1- she doesnt heal health, but can give bonus health shields and heal those shields or do something, anything similar that isnt a permenant health heal with no shield effect tied to that portion of health, maybe she could jeff bubble like shield bubbles/rocket like shield packs that allies can walk through, tons of options
2- she can create a big shield that allies can stand inside of
3- she has some ability that shields herself

green junco
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Leaks are saying that Emma would be a vanguard

wanton salmon
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(there are SO MANY marvel characters including women with actual healing powers that make health go back up https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Healers. if they needed one now at this point, then they shoulda thought of who would start on the roster and who would drop when, when they were planning out seasons, instead of stapling healing onto people without healing. but reed is more of a healther than sue is)

runic apex
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know what im curious about how will jean grey work

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just gameplay wise

soft pollen
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A passive self-revive seems like a given.

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Would be cool if her ult was like a Hulk ult type thing that could be triggered on death too though I don't know how viable/strong that would be.

runic apex
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my guess is the ult will be something like ironfist/hulk where its just a big buff for a whlie

wanton salmon
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honestly jean grey could also be a strategist, pheonix jean has biokinisis and telekenisis good enough to heal people with it.
maybe make her a dps off-support to trick dps players to playing support a la tanking reed

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have her ult be a big buff that includes overtime aoe heal for her and her allies

runic apex
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i wouldn't like that versino of the ult as we already have two of those that most people want nerfed

wanton salmon
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mm true

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probably better if it passivly healed HER but gave her projectiles heal-nearby-allies-on-hit ot something, while boosting her dps

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less healing, in a smaller area, with a skill requirement

sand oracle
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luna snow and mantis ults really are not my favourite

runic apex
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evne passively hearling her is really strong

wanton salmon
runic apex
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i think it would be too simlar to cloak and dagger i had a simlar thought but then thought yeah too simlar to cloak and dagger

wanton salmon
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i think it could be differentiated by making the pheonix transformation a coold down ability and/or ult

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rather than hot swapping between heals vs damage, its something you wait for or build up to

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the heals on short range aoe attacks in pheonix form tricking dps players into healing

sand kelp
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Making it Hulk flavored could be worth it, racking up heals then turning into Pure Damage

wanton salmon
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like reed tricks them into tanking

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i was honestly thinking the other way round!

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as its pheonix jean who can heal

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rack up kills, then pheonix dive into a team fight

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(reggo jean is telepathy and telekinisis, pheonix jean is fire flavoured psychic godhood)

sand kelp
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Also, hear me out. Spawning a ring of fire as Phoenix that both heals and damages

wanton salmon
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i had a similar idea but folk thought it was too close to a luna snow uninteractive ult

sand kelp
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You could make it a zone like C&D's ult

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Just press the Get Off My Goddamn Point button

raven summit
runic apex
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My issue with rogue is more of how do you implement her gameplay wise just in general

sand oracle
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doesn't rogue have a roster of permanently stolen abilities

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at least in a number of comic runs

wanton salmon
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yeah

sand oracle
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you could just leave her with those and then have her ult be a single target murder poke

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that's probably what I'd do tbh

wanton salmon
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it doesnt even need to necceserily murder, it could be like a combo of hulks ult and an alternate version of lokis

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deal damage with a grapple, then gain at least one of the targets abilities

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not necceserily their ult

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as loki already does that

sand oracle
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I mean I'd probably do a like, 3-4 second disable where if she survives the target just dies