#Mahvel Rivals baby

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raven summit
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What would you do to make him feel more like his comic self?

wanton salmon
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my ideal magneto kit would be based around a big aura of floating projectiles around him, that he regens slowly and can spend to shoot at enemies at the cost of not having them to block anymore

sour forge
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i don't, i think it's wild to claim this game is aimed at casuals when so many of the characters have misleading novels for ability descriptions

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i read complicated novellas of rulestext for fun and even i think this many pointless moving parts is a little much

runic apex
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wolverine being the worst offender i can think of offhand

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i do think its wierd how many heros have double jump with wierd conditions added on

sour forge
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like okay if you wanna make seventy thousand different meters and whatsitdoodles for a character go ahead but for gods sake

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at least make the descriptions accurate

wanton salmon
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like say he has 8 sections of wreckage that together make up the same size block shield
and he can right click to throw one, holding it down to charge a longer throw and more damage, but while you charge you cant block with them
and they have healthbars and get destroyed by enemy fire when using them to block

runic apex
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widow has a to sprint, black panther has to wall climb?

raven summit
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Maybe give Magneto golem arms.

runic apex
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iron just can just jump whenever

wanton salmon
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then his ult throws them all at once AND THEN regens them all at once

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alternativly, make micheal fassbender magneto

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like early nazi hunter magneto

wanton salmon
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way less control, uses a gun and a knife, but can still absolutely fucking destroy one guy

sour forge
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lower power magneto is the only way to make him even remotely accurate

wanton salmon
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and can lock someone down with stuns/forced movement by controling metal on their body

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either early magneto, or an au version thats weaker or partly restrained

celest wadi
wanton salmon
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even my idea to be actually comic accureate would have to be in some kind of idk the power repression tech reed makes

sour forge
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that's Metallica

celest wadi
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Or well, do it frequently.

wanton salmon
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he gets stupid busted

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not frequently

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its usually a like

sour forge
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but also i would be really surprised if he didn't

wanton salmon
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powered up arc ending state

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but in the older comics where its just a fun time

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and les concerened with lore

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he can basically just do whatever

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and then say magnets

raven summit
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Magneto has done some wacky shit.

wanton salmon
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at one point he has the ability to make full colour holograms by magnetizing non metalic dust via magnetic electrical charges

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and old magneto could fly without metal by magnetizing himself (SOMETIMES ONLY)

timber garnet
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Nazi Hunter Magneto?

green junco
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Magneto is an Omega Level mutant aka like highest of the high

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Sometimes considered the strongest mutant ever depending on whos talking

hexed niche
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They’d be wrong but they’re allowed to say it

raven summit
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He made Apocalypse his bitch that one time.

timber garnet
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Once again I'm reminded of the idea of Magneto and Doom beating the shit out of Red Skull :v

sour forge
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they should put fx legion in this game

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(they should not)

timber garnet
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They gotta add Doom at some point

green junco
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Dude does some crazy shit like matter manipulation, like sub atomic particles, creating portals, astral projection, and absorbing all forms of energy

hexed niche
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Probably after this season

wanton salmon
velvet sinew
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IIRC Doom is like, kinda the ultimate villain in the Rivals-verse? I may be misremembering

green junco
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Magneto can pull the iron out of someones body but theres like an amount equal to a penny

wanton salmon
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and rivals gimick, or one of them, is that most heroes are already from different aus

green junco
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Knull is sort of being set up as the next big bad based on the event text

velvet sinew
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Knull

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<3

wanton salmon
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two different dooms even

hexed niche
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This whole time stream stuff is caused by current and 2099 Doom beefing

velvet sinew
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My problematic king

wanton salmon
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i hope we get a doombot character

green junco
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But Doom caused the dimension rift thing

timber garnet
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Neat

green junco
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The event comic panels things, when you complete the texts, show the current story, and it looks like there will be one for every season

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Which sort of coincides with how they plan to adjust teamups to reflect the current Rivals lore

velvet sinew
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I really really want the defenders, that's like

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my main wishlist item

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Give me jessica jones

green junco
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Also this is canon

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Just explode wolverine

velvet sinew
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oh yeah give me bone claw wolverine as a skin too plskthx

sour forge
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yeah luke cage seemed like such a gimme as well

green junco
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Me when wolverine foxy leaps at my support

velvet sinew
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TBH I would love if they did little thingsl ike League does

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"Magneto does precisely 1 more damage to Wolverine in all instances"

raven summit
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Wolverine is kinda handicapped by his metal bones.

green junco
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Im excited to see what Ultrons kit will be

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Since he does the whole Doombot thing but that's his whole gimmic

hexed niche
timber garnet
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@green junco

raven summit
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Basically it's keeping hos mutation from evolving because it's healing him.

hexed niche
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Having a practically unbreakable skeleton is pretty good

green junco
raven summit
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It also keep him from turning into a feral monster.

green junco
hexed niche
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I love that page so much

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But also dude is coping so hard in it lol

velvet sinew
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People kinda forget sometimes that Doom is Romani, and the Nazis hated them, too

hexed niche
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Secret Wars was basically the biggest blunder of doom

runic apex
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i want gambit

timber garnet
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Don't forget

hexed niche
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A blunder so big that even him in the end admitted Reed would have been better then him in it

timber garnet
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(Also Secret Wars)

green junco
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Doomworld is the best utopia for mankind

runic apex
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also if we get gambit can we get gambit without the wierd helmet

velvet sinew
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I do like Doctor Doom because after having that exact vision, he was like

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"Oh good, I'm RIGHT."

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"Always knew I was tbh"

timber garnet
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Doom's pride (and pettiness) is core to his character

green junco
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even before that, dude has the balls to strip naked and be like "I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, I AM HUMANITY'S SAVIOR, JUDGE ME CAT GOD"

hexed niche
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Like if Doom messed up so bad even he had to admit Richards was better then him, then he fucked up

timber garnet
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Yeah

green junco
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Doom is so hellbent on being better than Reed, hes actually a good godfather

timber garnet
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Yep

velvet sinew
green junco
hexed niche
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He’s also a man of style and honor

timber garnet
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He pulled a massive machavellian move just to like

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Make Reeds daughter's first words be "Doom"

hexed niche
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Conan immediately seeing through his postering is so fun

green junco
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In before Doom unravels your skin

hexed niche
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Look

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Doom will do that to me for making fun of him

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But also making fun of doom is so fun

green junco
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Of course

hexed niche
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I love him so much and part of that is that even as powerful as he is, even he can’t back up his ego

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He’s an 11, but he thinks he’s a 12

velvet sinew
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The followup to that conversation

timber garnet
green junco
velvet sinew
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hell yeah

green junco
timber garnet
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Tbf he's pretty scarred

green junco
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Mhm

hexed niche
hexed niche
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Like the shadow from his tubes makes him look like he has Minsc’s purple ring tattoo

green junco
velvet sinew
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My first thought on that was Kratos actually

wanton salmon
severe zephyr
velvet sinew
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yeah his scars kinda vary based on writers

timber garnet
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My favorite part of Doom is that if he wasn't such a prideful asshole, he'd probably genuinely do more good than Reed

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But his pettiness limits him

wanton salmon
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did yall see the new hero leaks?

timber garnet
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No

green junco
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Which ones?

wanton salmon
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ones ive seen are a batch of four in total

hexed niche
wanton salmon
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wait no, five

hexed niche
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Reed is still limited by the laws of the world around him

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(Except when he breaks them)

timber garnet
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Doom is notably the second strongest mage on Earth

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After Strange

velvet sinew
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He ranges from a phantom of the opera style "Yeah I'm a little disfigured on the top half" to "Freddy Krueger got off easy"

green junco
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He is a candidate for Sorcerer Supreme

hexed niche
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Yah

hexed niche
green junco
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And Infamous Ironman is sick

wanton salmon
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my preffered doom is either "basically no physical damage at all, its emotional scars"

velvet sinew
wanton salmon
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or "realistic burn scars"

wanton salmon
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which would likely require an 18+ comic

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not even hot just

green junco
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"I am not hot, I am Doom"

wanton salmon
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"oh hes a normal guy"

hexed niche
velvet sinew
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Doctor Doom ult leak:

wanton salmon
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but doom is like MY FACE WAS STOLEN FROM ME BY THE FAILURE FORCED UPON ME BY REED

velvet sinew
wanton salmon
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and his face is fine

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it turns out hes being metaphorical

green junco
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Speaking of ults

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When you pull it off, Scarlet Witch ult feels great

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I fucking love vaporizing people

hexed niche
runic apex
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i want them to just replace Squirrel girls

velvet sinew
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I like hers

runic apex
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I know how to use it decently and i still think its bad

green junco
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Squirrel girl ult either hits like a train or misses

teal mist
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Magneto's basically shouldn't have an absorb limit tbh

timber garnet
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Doom was really good in Earth's Mightiest Hero

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(Which was also a good show)

velvet sinew
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I kinda dislike how Psylocke and Spidey have extremely similar ults

green junco
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Spidey is a lot more interruptable

runic apex
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at point blank range

teal mist
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I feel that way about Snow and Mantis

hexed niche
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Snow and Mantis ults are so annoying

teal mist
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'Nothing Happening Here for 10 Seconds'-ass Ults

green junco
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I also feel mantis is way easier to kill in her ult

teal mist
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Mantis gets 500 hp and superspeed if you're killing her good job

hexed niche
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You press Q and your team is effectively invincible for 10 seconds

green junco
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Is Snows longer?

wanton salmon
# hexed niche “Victor you cut your lip” “Silence RICHARDS!”

no no
"victor you werent injured at all??"

"richards, youd destroyed my lifes work up until that point. my credibility. my university position. my funding. that machine would have saved millions of lives, and you broke it, and worse, you proved me a fool for trusting you. none shall look upon my face again, I said. the man I was, was destroyed, rendered a pitiable husk by your hands. even you pitied me, there, in that hospital bed you put me in. I wasnt injured? Reed there is nothing left of what I was. All there is now.....is Doom."

velvet sinew
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Healer ults be like that

teal mist
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They don't all have to be Zenyatta

wanton salmon
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THEN he goes "SILENCE RICHARDS" and makes him dress as a class dunce so doom will free Ben from timeprison or something.

hexed niche
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Peak

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It’s peak

wanton salmon
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lmao thank you

muted birch
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Is the Iron Fist in this game not Danny Rand?

teal mist
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Verymuch not

muted birch
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Huh. Why not

hexed niche
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Danny lost his powers

velvet sinew
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were there other Iron Fists?

muted birch
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Oh ok

wanton salmon
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its lin lie, used to be sword master

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theres been a bunch

hexed niche
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Yah

wanton salmon
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hulk was iron fist one time i think

hexed niche
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Iron fist is just a title

wanton salmon
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yeah

hexed niche
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One with hundreds of people taking it

wanton salmon
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you get it by punching a magic dragon in the heart

green junco
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Thor was iron fist for some time too

hexed niche
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And one which will have hundreds more in the future

muted birch
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Oki

velvet sinew
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I mostly meant like, KNOWN iron fists as the titular comic character(tm)

hexed niche
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Danny lost his powers, and now Lin Lie is the current one

wanton salmon
green junco
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Lin Lie, or the Sword Master(His paid skin references the sword) is the current Iron Fist and the one in the game

teal mist
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If Danny really wanted to he could Batman it, who needs dragonheart powers

hexed niche
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I think Danny is rn

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Like he hasn’t stopped fighting

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But he has lost the iron fist powers

wanton salmon
muted birch
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Some people are speculating that it's because "rich white guy goes to Asian country to learn martial arts" narratives are under scrutiny nowadays.

wanton salmon
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oh yeah thats happened before too

muted birch
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But, like...Dr. Strange is still in?

wanton salmon
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like people were saying that from the 70s and 80s and 90s and 2000s and 2010s

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because iron fist isnt just kung fu powers in the lore

timber garnet
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I think Strange is a bit distant

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Cause like

wanton salmon
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it has a whole cultural element

green junco
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Danny, I'm 90% sure, is dead right now 616 continuity wise

timber garnet
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He's more broadly "Ultra Wizard of Marvel"

wanton salmon
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you become the protector of kun lun

timber garnet
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While Danny is more "white person martial artist"

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If that makes sense

muted birch
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Ok

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I...sort of understand.

hexed niche
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Ahhh ok

timber garnet
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Basically Strange has more going for him than the orientalism

wanton salmon
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but also theres been a bunch because theres been a bunch of different people with the title anyway, as when superhero comics get a title, they pass it round for variety
like how SO MANY fucking people have been in the fantastic four

timber garnet
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While that's basically all there is to Danny

wanton salmon
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a few times its had none of the origional ff in it at all lmao

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or how many times batman has been someone else

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sometimes for a while, or an au, or a weekend in comics, or its someone else inheriting the title or whatever

green junco
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Its kinda like how there's been multiple iron mans, war machines, and iron patriots in the 616 main canon

raven summit
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Netease also helped create Lin Lie.

wanton salmon
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so iron fist has that going on along with the whole apropriation annoyance thing

hexed niche
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The FF have been swapping out members since the original Stan Lee run

raven summit
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Lin Lie is their baby.

muted birch
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Ok

wanton salmon
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but even in the comics there was Pei, Fan Fei, Wu Ao-shi, a buncha iron fists

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as marvel characters go its one of the few you can easily go "heres a new one",

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like spiderman

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there have also been multiple arcs directly fighting over BEING iron fist

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as you can challange for the title

hexed niche
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Honestly for like, every marvel character who’s super hero name is a title and not their name, there’s probably been multiple versions

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Iron Man, Cap, War Machine, iron fist, hell Thor

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And in that case that’s just his name

wanton salmon
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like even in the 70s and 80s danny rand iron fist comics his arch enemy for a while were different people trying to take the title and powers, some of whome managed to claim it for different amounts of time

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thats true lmao

hexed niche
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There have also been just, so many Captain America’s

wanton salmon
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honestly, i kinda wish rivals did that for one or two more characters like magneto, where there kit is a bit more divergent

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oh god so many captain americas

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HEY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT NOMAD

hexed niche
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“Cap goes rogue or dies and the US tries to replace him” is like a standard marvel storyline

runic apex
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i think that would be too confusing to work in a game enviroment

wanton salmon
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eh not all of em just one or two

runic apex
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unless its drastickly diffrent

wanton salmon
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and lin lie does fine, most people dont care

runic apex
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like hulkbuster could work

hexed niche
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Yah!

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And it’s only taking from the most recent non Steve Cap

wanton salmon
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i was just thinking like, give magneto a different first name, now its a slightly different version of magneto in game cannon so its easier to justify his different power use

hexed niche
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There’s so many more

wanton salmon
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honestly, i know it doesnt work at all for anything the character was meant to be, but i still think luna snow shoulda been this for iceman

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for this game

runic apex
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aim is a skin

green junco
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It is

wanton salmon
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yeah aimerica is in the game

teal mist
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I'm not actually sure why Magneto looks like a knight of yore in this game

hexed niche
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But it was still Steve

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Technically

green junco
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Still counts in my book, even due to the circumstances, but cool panel too

wanton salmon
green junco
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Also civil war videogames

wanton salmon
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like psylock isnt betsy braddock or kwannon, shes a new lady called Sai, making her name a pun

teal mist
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but like is his home dimension going through the Dark Ages or somethin

wanton salmon
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in rivals i mean

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entirel possibly!

green junco
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She's also alternate reality

teal mist
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Taking Psylocke away from her old canon is always, always a good move

muted birch
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The MCU film is probably the best we can get out of the Civil War storyline.

wanton salmon
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like iirc Sai Psylock is from the actual past

runic apex
wanton salmon
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yeah

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shes from actual fuedal japan

timber garnet
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Isn't the whole premise of Rivals also like

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Multiverse shit

wanton salmon
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so this magneto could be

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yeah

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its even specifically all a bunch of new au multiverses

teal mist
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did they not have the ability to create purple in Magneto's realm

wanton salmon
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thats why so many characters are a little different

teal mist
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paint that man

green junco
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Psylocke to Venom: "In my world, they called you Orochi"

wanton salmon
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god i was gonna play rivals or helldivers today but ive just been collapsed exhausted since like 8pm and its nearly midnight bah

runic apex
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squrril girl is probally based on marvel rising

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same VA

green junco
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Black Panther is specifically from the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda

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Also his little lore blurb name drops Reed Richards specifically so theres a good tell

wanton salmon
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i cant wait for the season where the wakanda empire is the enemy faction and he goes full emperor of mankind evil guy

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its gonna rule so hard

green junco
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Cap was unfrozen in 2099 instead of present day

hexed niche
green junco
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Its at the bottom of the second paragraph

timber garnet
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Is the Empire of Wakanda a comic thing

teal mist
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Spiderman's homeworld being overrun with vampires, Scarlet's got Demon Problems..

timber garnet
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Or is it new to Rivals

wanton salmon
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i hope we get an au Gwen Poole, whose deal is that this gwenpoole is a gamer, so she gets a load of gamer bullshit tricks like a "clipping clitch" that lets her see through and pass through any destructible terrain as a shift ability

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new to rivals I THINK but there have been agressors varients of wakanda before

green junco
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It's a 2099 thing I'm pretty sure

wanton salmon
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ooooo

green junco
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Maybe

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It's part of Black Panther Volume 7

wanton salmon
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i havent been big into 2099 since the og spiderman 2099 run

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got a buncha them as a youngun

timber garnet
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Whats Wakanda like in 2099?

green junco
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"As he awaits a sign from Bast to tell him if Doom should be trusted, he protects the Empire's Chromonium supply and shares his tech with trusted allies - like Reed Richards"

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Last sentence of the lore bit for Black Panther

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So Reed could be from 2099

runic apex
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panther is the other ult i think is really weak

hexed niche
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He’s extremely strong

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Assuming you know his combos

runic apex
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he is

green junco
runic apex
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his ult itself though is kinda meh

teal mist
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Panther's ult is good for doing things Panther wants to do but you still need to combo afterward

hexed niche
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He’s got quite a few ways to one shot 250s, but they’re all kinda hard

timber garnet
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I'm wondering what Wakanda is like in 2099

teal mist
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And i'm perfectly content with the divers not having Instantly Kills You Ults, since they changed spidermans

hexed niche
timber garnet
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Assuming we know

hexed niche
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More space colonizer wakanda

green junco
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There's this space group called Alpha flight who go out to do space shit, get shot into an anomaly and make a space empire far away, and then later meet up with regular Wakanda

silent wren
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Gamer Poole would be neat, but the idea of classic Gwen Poole throwing out text bubbles as shields is too funny of an idea to pass up

hexed niche
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There’s no mention of them conquering things, they just colonized uninhabited planets

wanton salmon
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and iirc they conquored nowhere

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like the celestial corpse

hexed niche
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Oh they did?

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Missed that

wanton salmon
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it looks like it based on one of the cutscenes i watched but it might have been a trailer thing

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but it says they conqoured the source of vibranium

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and i forget where that is

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but i remember it being an actual place at least in mainline

green junco
wanton salmon
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there was a whole ancient intersteller war over it

green junco
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Space lore outside of earth gets complicated fast when you include timey wimey shenanigans, like with the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda

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M'Baku leads it though

wanton salmon
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actually you know what I require out of this game and might be enough to make me drop it out of annoyance for a while if they dont do it?

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invisible woman needs to be a tank

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vanguard i mean

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her WHOLE thing is shields

green junco
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I think the leak said she was a strategist but we shall see

wanton salmon
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and we need more lady vanguards

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godddddddd

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imma gonna be so mad

celest wadi
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Hmm.. I feel like either mcu or comics Kamala Khan would do well as a vanguard.

green junco
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Ms Marvel would be awesome

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Probably comics with a MCU skin looking at how things are

wanton salmon
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theyve said they want all tanks to be big body characters, but theres already varience there, and they could just have her constantly be projecting shields around herself

teal mist
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Also make women with big bodies

green junco
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Big Bertha could be cool for someone less well known

teal mist
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You made Strange 6'5

green junco
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Great Lakes Avengers : )

wanton salmon
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i think they are too mysogenist to do that

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like, its pretty inarguably misogynist in how it displays its female characters even if a bunch of them have rad and fun to play character kits

silent wren
green junco
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Big Barda is DC

silent wren
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Wait no

green junco
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Big Bertha is MC

silent wren
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nm

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you're right

green junco
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Emma Frost could be an interesting tank too, since she's diamond now after the Beast stuff

wanton salmon
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yeah as a captain america type divetank

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imo, gwenpoole should also be a tank

green junco
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I could see her with a bucket load of CC

teal mist
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Can do the Iron Man teamup

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disperse a laser through herself

green junco
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Big Bertha could have maybe a body swap type of deal, like her small and big form?

wanton salmon
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gwenpoole as vanguard but her shield ability is she just keeps fucking covering herself in expanding textboxes from yapping, and the textboxes physically block bullets

wanton salmon
teal mist
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Doesn't Gwenpoole have like an actual '90% of shots miss me' passive

wanton salmon
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like not just "a more curvy normal human bodytype" like squirrel girl

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she does but that would be probably really annoying in a game like this

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otherwise i think SPIDERMAN shoulda been a dodge based vanguard with spidersense

teal mist
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Spidersense in this game only seems to be for making the screen harder to see

green junco
# timber garnet Beast stuff?

Beast tried to fix his mutant gene which basically super accelerated it, causing him to be more beasty. Emma Frost also took it, which caused her to be permanently diamond

timber garnet
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Ah

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neat

celest wadi
wanton salmon
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lmao

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itl be fun if they give some psychics fun stuff

hexed niche
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Sounds like more kills for Khonsu

wanton salmon
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like i think jeane grey should be a sniper, who just holds her hand next to her head and looks at you from across the map, with pheonix form as a ult

celest wadi
wanton salmon
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then her q turns you into an even more buffed version of something like magiks demonform

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except when it ends, you are even squishier and worse in melee

green junco
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ARGH I HATE MULTIPLE CANONS, in the comics, it was a sentinel attack, in another media, it was something beast made

wanton salmon
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in some cannons she can just do that!

silent wren
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Another toxic gameplay idea for Emma Frost: a cc that actively points your camera in a different direction

wanton salmon
silent wren
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Like she fears you and you turn around and start running away

celest wadi
green junco
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She Hulk is probably also a shoe in for Vanguard

wanton salmon
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i dunno i think she should actualy be dps

teal mist
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I'll be honest I'm not sure how to set up a second tank powerset for a Hulklike

green junco
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Captain Marvel maybe?

wanton salmon
#

like she hulks whole thing is being physically more normal in size

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compared to hulk

teal mist
#

She Hulk takes you to court

wanton salmon
#

and she doesnt have a shield

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god

sand kelp
#

hit someone with a briefcase

green junco
#

She Hulks ult is just Phoenix Wright from Marvel Vs Capcom

wanton salmon
#

tactician she hulk who starts playing pheoneix wright

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yeah

wanton salmon
#

lmao

green junco
#

Wolverine when I catch him committing tax fraud

wanton salmon
#

i am not sure wolverine has actually commited tax fraud even though its a meme

teal mist
#

There's no way that man does the paperwork for taxes

wanton salmon
#

i think he may have aged out tax code he was born under

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and certainly wast earning or inheriting for most of his life

teal mist
#

He's been dead according to the government of canada for like 50 years

fervent pulsar
#

i don't think he even can pay taxes

wanton salmon
#

you could get him on immigration fraud

fervent pulsar
#

i don't think he is like

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legally alive

wanton salmon
#

yeah

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like even aside from the regular regeneration immortality

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and age

fervent pulsar
#

and even if he was he's like hundreds of years old

wanton salmon
#

he has actually died several times

hexed niche
#

Does Wolverine even have like, income?

wanton salmon
#

god

fervent pulsar
#

and also he lost his identity

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at least once

hexed niche
#

I feel like he just mooches off the school

fervent pulsar
#

thanks to weapon x

wanton salmon
#

im imagining like a Marvel;s Damage Control but for goverment beuracracy

fervent pulsar
#

like i don't think Wolverine has paperwork shit

green junco
#

If we want more animals, get Devil Dinosaur in there

wanton salmon
#

she hulk running an organisation prosecuting heroes for tax fraud etc

green junco
#

Just start eating people as a vanguard

wanton salmon
#

trying to get secret identity heroes to not reveal themselves but make sure they have social security numbers and stuff

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R.E.D T.A.P.E, the beuracracy version of shield

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"legally, we are actually part of the Federal Postal Service, which means we get to pull rank on everyone up to the president"

green junco
#

That is kinda the plot of Civil War

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At least the comic version

wanton salmon
#

not really but i can see the point of comparison

green junco
#

Secret identities I mean

wanton salmon
#

civil war starts with a conversation that in a good timeline could lead to that at least

#

yeah

hexed niche
#

That’s a version of civil war Reed looks into while studying alt universe reeds

#

“This Reed teamed up with She Hulk and Daredevil to start a government bureaucracy to properly file the taxes of masked super heroes. This Reed found great success”

velvet sinew
#

we love superhero lawyers

wanton salmon
#

i hate them but they are better than superhero prison industrial complexes

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so its a rock and a hard place

velvet sinew
#

I just really like

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Enjoy the idea of seeing how superheroes impact the world as a whole on a more ground level

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like, how do the laws apply to them

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do people get insurance payouts for damage from superheroes?

wanton salmon
#

yeah its why i like Damage Control

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the marvel comic about the team that rebuilds after superhero fights

velvet sinew
#

I really liked the Spider-Man movie with Vulture because of that

wanton salmon
#

i genuinely reccomend old damage control if you havent read it

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yeah

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i havent seent he show but its such a good idea if done right

silent wren
#

Did you ever read Pound the Table? Fanfic about a mutant lawyer

wanton salmon
teal mist
#

It's not poor Spidey's fault all his villains just hate terrain

velvet sinew
#

"What is the HULK doing here?"

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that's the funniest part of this panel

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well, cover

wanton salmon
#

its great

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i dont even remember if he is actually in the issue

velvet sinew
#

It just reminds me of the fuckin uhh

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who's the guy

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very obnoxious comic artist who always draws his own head making some remarkably dumb comment

runic apex
#

ben garrison?

velvet sinew
#

Maybe?

#

Same vibe at least

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STAN KELLY

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I know it's parody

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it's that same fuckin vibe seeing Hulk's head there

maiden radish
#

The tank discussion has kinda passed but my votes for female tanks are Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur and Medusa

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You could use Medusa's hair to make her have the silhouette of a tank

teal mist
#

The tank discussion must always exist, people need to play more of them

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Also that's a real fun idea

maiden radish
#

Wish I could say it was mine but it feels too cool to not share

teal mist
#

I'm not sure how they'd scale Devil though

maiden radish
#

Yeah that's kinda the problem they would be a small giant dinosaur

green junco
#

Maybe his ult makes him his true form?

wanton salmon
#

hes a bit smaller in the cartoon sometimes and they have the au stuff to play with

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so they can just make him a useable size

runic apex
#

yeah i don't think hawkeye should be able to oneshot 80% of the roster

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even hazno wasnt this bad

hexed niche
#

Honestly experimenting with giving more duelist 300 HP could be neat

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Like Storm could really use 300

runic apex
#

yo uneed 358 hp to surive headshot form hawkeye currently

hexed niche
#

Oh no

teal mist
#

It feels like some of the DPS were designed with the idea that no one in the world could aim better than the folks making the game

#

A Hawkeye that Doesn't Miss is fucking ruinous

runic apex
#

hela is overpowered rn too for the asme reason

teal mist
#

And it makes widows 240hp gating even weirder

runic apex
#

but its not as bad because she doesnt do 358 damage

teal mist
#

if there's a Hawkeye and I'm Thor I just sort of sigh and switch

#

it is tragic what he does to tanks

#

but also anything with hp

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and unless you Perfectly Ambush him a good one can whip around and toast most of the divers

runic apex
#

don't even need headshots alot of the time iether

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just a charged body shot>uncharged does it

teal mist
#

and he shoots so fast

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and never reloads

#

Strange has to reload.. magic, Groot reloads his arms

#

this guy can't shuffle a quiver

runic apex
unique storm
dull wigeon
#

that explains why my mouse has felt off this entire time

runic apex
#

ive heard its not true

#

the real thing is the over the shield camera messing with aim

dull wigeon
#

oh maybe it is placebo?>

runic apex
#

know what would be funnire to make the portal go into a peni trap nest

wanton salmon
# hexed niche Like Storm could really use 300

you know what storm should just be reworked to a vanguard

she starts as walking with 250 health but left shift summons a windstorm around her that block bullets and lifts her into the air

as she deals damage the clouds around her is increased in health, and goes from windstorm to rainstorm to snowstorm to thunderstorm

left click gets a bonus based on storm state and ult increases in range and damage based on storm state.

fully destroying the bullet blocking stormclouds gives her a temprorary fast flight to escape

#

shes a damn omegalevel mutant but they have her out here giving buffs which she is not at all known to do. debuffs from a storm that slows enemies ir stuns with lightnening or freezes people solid maybe

lilac snow
#

8???

fervent pulsar
#

Winter Soldiers ult is a little bit ridiculous

lilac snow
#

Yeah but getting 7 resets in a 6v6 mode is pretty funny

#

Oh, sorry. Initial ult plus 8 resets

fervent pulsar
#

true

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mfw

#

AGAIN

#

AGAIN

#

AGAIN

#

Winter Soldier is going to be disgusting in the hands of top players with his ult

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especially if you pair him with a good Loki i imagine

vast geyser
#

imo the strongest part of his kit atm is just

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The extendo grip

teal mist
#

He's so fun if you have a Peni on your team to snag folks into

#

headshot damage maybe a bit up there but they're so slooow it's fiiiine

lapis aspen
#

Diving as Jeff when the other team isnt prepared is so funny. Has absouletely no right to work

runic apex
#

his ult can be denied pretty easily thats the downside of it

mild pine
#

I got a multi-kill with wolverine's ult recently

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it was cause as I pushed the enemy team into the air spidey came in and started to ult too

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so the enemy were literally floating their helpless while being ripped apart by spidey

hexed niche
#

So I saw some people saying "Iron Fist does more damage" so I decided to run some tests.

Without E IronMan Unibeam takes 2:10 seconds, with E takes 1:19 (This is assuming 250 HP Iron Fist)

Iron Fist using just M1 takes 3 seconds to kill, and landing shift takes 2:03

Quoting Brutus 🇨🇦 (@Le_Brutus)

Why has no Iron Man ever just tried using Un...

▶ Play video
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This honestly confirms to me that iron man is one of the best iron fist counters in the game if you can aim unibeam

#

He genuinely shuts him down so easily and iron fist needs to dedicated so many resources to get to him most of the time only to kill him slower

runic apex
#

iron fist moves a lot while when using unibeam your nearly still

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not to mention blocking the unibeam enough would make ironfist have 500 hp

hexed niche
#

I mean it’s both hitscan and you can just stop shooting when iron fist is in parry stance

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As well his enhanced punches have significantly worse verticals tracking

#

So he’s actively worse at getting to iron man while in it

green junco
#

Just hit the spacebar I guess

glass pollen
lilac snow
#

Oh that would do it

green junco
#

Oh I had no idea

glass pollen
#

also addams was ulting in that one

lilac snow
#

I had been guessing the first few to die making their way back to the point and dying again

#

Yeah a res would help too

green junco
#

I am NOT going to sugarcoat it

runic apex
#

the real thing that makes winter so strong is the hook

glass pollen
#

blitzcrank mofos

runic apex
#

just do this to any tank and itsj ust gone

sour forge
#

infinite ammo on a gun balanced around having a mag size of THREE seems p strong

runic apex
#

i think the best teamup ablity is probally SG's or stranges

teal mist
#

Infinite Ammo and attack speed boost

fervent pulsar
#

Iron Man mains really just need to challenge Iron Fist most of the time to not lose

green junco
#

Honestly, after playing this game enough, I do think it's kinda fun seeing different comp types battle it out, like depending on players and characters, you could win with goats or 1,3,2 or 2,2,2

runic apex
#

1,3,2 is pretty common yeah

green junco
#

But I can see why people want role queue

runic apex
#

i evne did 3,1,2 once on defense

green junco
#

You can win with a lot of comps

#

It's really neat

sand oracle
#

I only sorta want role queue so I can ever play dps without griefing

runic apex
#

i don't want role queue at all

#

i don't think the game really works for it like people think it will

glass pollen
#

at worst

#

role queue for ranked

runic apex
#

because then you got to decide what is the choic 222 312 132

#

still aweful

#

role que also just makes the game really reallly samey and boring

velvet sinew
#

If they make a role queue it will singlehandedly force, even if not intentionally, everyone in any queue to do the same thing

#

because then you side with a meta

#

It's early in the game's life that stuff is developing

runic apex
#

role que was invented in overwatch to help prevent goats but it enmded up just making everyone chose the top 2 heros in each type

#

and thats even more stupid in a game like rivals where there is a lot more synrgy and map choice being a factor

green junco
#

100% agree

runic apex
#

on attack having more then one tank isnt that important

#

while defense going tripple tank can be a good strat

#

because you don't need to sit on the paylaod if you just kill the enemy faster on attack you also keep it

#

theres also some heros that get a pretty large boost with certain teamups

mild pine
#

I wolverine tackled a storm out of the sky

runic apex
#

people really need to learn 222 isnt the best comp

green junco
mild pine
#

Game ended as we landed so I believe canonically we landed into a makeout sesh

glass pollen
#

probably not the first time logan did that

fervent pulsar
runic apex
#

i do think 2 healers is the one thing you do really want

steady flame
#

I tried Loki recently. It’s very satisfying healing with two clones but most of the time my invisibility died to just random stray projectiles

teal mist
#

Yeah it's odd, it feels most helpful when combined with his teleport

#

Sitting on CDs and pretending to be just another Loki Turret is a shockingly effective strat

#

He feels very map dependant though

#

Also they mustn't have a Moon Knight (at least for me)

lapis aspen
glass pollen
#

mantis is a duelist that can heal

#

that is the one joke I heard about her

#

Cap Murica is an Offtank if you have played paladins and know that role

wanton salmon
#

honestly i think it doesnt need roll queue as picking good is part of the skill

#

but it REALLY REALLY REALLY needs a more honest hero select catogories

glass pollen
#

scratch that

fervent pulsar
#

The one hero that confuses me is definitely Storm

wanton salmon
#

like, it needs "shield tank" "dive tank" "off tank" "heal tank" "buff tank" "pure dps" "shield dps" "heal dps" "buff dps" "healer" "buffer"

glass pollen
#

we need more chars in roles that arent duelist

fervent pulsar
#

I thought she was support

wanton salmon
#

storm should be a tank, change my mind

glass pollen
#

we have only 8 or so tanks and healers

wanton salmon
#

STORMS DPS BUT SHES ALL BUFFS ITS STUPID

glass pollen
#

meanwhile duelists its like almost 20

#

one thing I heard is making Deadpool a supp

teal mist
#

Storms powerset is just real boring for someone whose powers include everything

glass pollen
#

and his heals is him throwing chimichangas or some 4th wall break thing like using a colored pencil to fill the health bar

#

or as an ult ask for a favor from the devs or Death to not be able to die him and his teammates

fervent pulsar
wanton salmon
#

its not at all

#

im just mad at the game design decisions

fervent pulsar
#

Nothing about her kit indicates dps save her ult

glass pollen
#

storm deserves to be bullied

#

for MVC2 sins

runic apex
#

storm needs to be thrown away her entire kit makes no sense

#

every part of her kit conflicts with another part

glass pollen
#

so basically her kit not fitting the char?

#

like wolverine?

timber garnet
#

When are we getting Dante in Rivals

runic apex
#

she floats has low hp so she easyily can be killed at close range, but her buffs only work at close range, if she is far away she cant hit with her projectiles very well, but she no longer gets shreaded]

teal mist
#

They gave her no reason to be flying it's so weird

runic apex
#

it feels like nobody actully thought how her kit would work together

wanton salmon
#

changes id make:
New Tanks:
Storm, moveset based around creating a storm wall and upgrading it by hitting enemies, or spending its health for abilities
Namor, moveset based around summoning walls of water and being able to put octopi IN the water walls
Wolverine, Divetank/Healtank/offtank, just has more regen and his attacks have more "ramp up" like his melee is a minigun

New Supports:
Iron Man, identical moveset but his beam now applies a shield to allies AND himself while contact is maintained and he can throw armour packs
Black Widow, Same sniper rifle, but grapplehook is replaced with "gauntlet darts" that slow then stun enemies and heal allies

sand oracle
#

nooo don't hurt my boi namor

#

he feels so good rn

wanton salmon
#

honestly the only change to make him a tank would be to swap his water orb with making a water wall, and he can put octopi in it to make em last as long as the wall does

#

straight up buff

sand oracle
#

the orb is pretty awesome but fair enough

fervent pulsar
#

I'm still mad about Wolverine not having self heal

teal mist
#

Game doesn't need more wall characters imo

sand oracle
#

it has one

teal mist
#

Two groots in a game is already so much

sand oracle
#

it can take a second, I feel

runic apex
#

no i agree on the one groot is enough

sand oracle
#

also I assume a water wall would just be hard to move through not solid

wanton salmon
#

storms wall as i imagine it wouldnt be a rooted wall either, it would be like a reinhardt shielf that moves on her

#

and yeah

#

water wall wouldnt be solid

#

just block projectiles, maybe even only reduce damage not fully block

#

theres options

#

but the game needs not just more tanks and supports but LESS DPS

#

and it needs the most popular heroes to be more likely to be tanks and supports so people actually play them

runic apex
#

i don't think thats a good way to look at it

#

then it just becomes a wierd numbers game where nobody is happy

wanton salmon
#

but thats what it is right now

#

the whole "we need more tanks and supports" conversation is people saying "this is a numbers game we arent happy with"

runic apex
#

no what your asking for sounds like a good way to just never get no new realses for anything but tank/support

sand kelp
#

if the leaks are going to be believed, ultron will be a support. i remember a joke that it might get ppl to Actually Play Support if such was the cast, but if rocket and loki didn't convince people, how would he lol

wanton salmon
#

as i see it

glass pollen
#

I mean it doesnt change that The duelists are FAR BIGGER to the other classes

#

in size

wanton salmon
#

either we need some dps shuffeled into tank or support or ALL THE NEW CHARACTERS for like YEARS needs to be tanks and supports

runic apex
#

no thats just silly to do

wanton salmon
#

as like, you want at least 1 support and 1 tank in each game

teal mist
#

There's always going to be more dps

#

It's a simpler function

#

It has more space for design

wanton salmon
#

but right now there are more than double the amount of tanks and support

glass pollen
#

I mean you probably could repurpose some chars as other classes

wanton salmon
#

i disagree

runic apex
#

its simpler also withen dps theres much more varience

#

and you need to think a lot more deeply about adding more tanks and healers than damage

wanton salmon
#

as a bunch of the dps are already partly tanks or supports, and more than one have kits people arent super happy with

runic apex
#

cause oh boy can you ruin a game by adding the wrong healer

glass pollen
#

in overwatch it was already fucked the moment mercy was added

teal mist
#

Baptiste, Brigitte..

runic apex
#

the only repurpose i could maybe see is wolverine into vanguard and storm into support

#

even then i don't really agree on wovlerine i think him being somewhere inthe middle is good

teal mist
#

I'm fine with characters being a mix of things as it is

glass pollen
#

its just weird that wolverine can die when the fucker has canonically tanked Hiroshima

teal mist
#

It's kind of going to hit that problem in Marvel

runic apex
#

wolverine is just garbage beyond garbage and is currently in a comptition with storm and widow for worst charcter

surreal cipher
#

That’s a hot take

glass pollen
#

because widow does a worse job compared to hawkeye i imagine

runic apex
#

or hela

teal mist
#

Widow feels half designed

#

Why does she have a grapple kick

runic apex
#

widow can shoot and yeah

#

if you removed her ablity to kick nothing would change

wanton salmon
#

honestly more characters having more mixed kits would also do the game very well as an option SO LONG AS THEY FOREGROUND THAT INFORMATION

#

honestly i think widow would be a better support than storm

teal mist
#

some of the stuff on the website should be ingame for sure

wanton salmon
#

like, have more fine differentiation than vanguard, dps, tactician

runic apex
#

i think widow was a bad choice to begin with

teal mist
#

League has little subtitles and that could be handy

wanton salmon
#

vanguard, dive, healer, buffer, debuffer, dps
and each character can have up to 3 tags

teal mist
#

And yeah a lot of choices are definitely "well, you were in the movies"

runic apex
#

widow and namor are the ones i feel the most are just yeah you were in a movie

#

namor i think needs some work too

teal mist
#

/coughs at mantis

wanton salmon
#

namor not even as his base appearance and build are completly different

#

widow isnt just in a movie she got her own movie and is a founding movie avenger

runic apex
#

his kit also has some issues like he has little turrets that die really fast

#

yet your expected to buff them with your rightclick

teal mist
#

Put the turrets on walls, watch people ignore them forever

wanton salmon
#

i kind of like it honestly, it works as just a dps combo more than a turret

teal mist
#

Gamers hate looking up

#

It's also nice dive defense

wanton salmon
#

namors turrets may as well be laylines

runic apex
#

thats a decent arguement for them

wanton salmon
#

or just, a wide buff area he can stand in

runic apex
#

also please replace SG's ult

wanton salmon
#

its just visually turrets as a weakness, so enemies can turn it off

runic apex
#

you know that teamup move she gets with spiderman

#

thats better than her ult

teal mist
#

Same with Magneto tbh

runic apex
#

her ult is also really finnky and will just bounced off tiny things

#

magneto's ult is really good

wanton salmon
#

i do think her ult should have a bonus effect of debuffing hit enemies and buffing hit allies

teal mist
#

The sword is better, the ult is.... fiiine?

#

It should have a higher damage threshold

runic apex
#

i can agree with that

wanton salmon
#

magnetos ult gets WAY BETTER when you realise it ALSO absorbs projectiles

#

it can fully counter so many other ults

teal mist
#

Why can punisher shoot too many bullets for the master of fuckin magnetism

wanton salmon
#

its a fnatastic tank ult

#

game ballance

teal mist
#

Many ults counter others

#

Why not here

#

He's not particularly overbearing a tank

wanton salmon
#

also imo magnetos base skin should EITHER be younger and inexperienced, or wearing some kind of "visible power limiter"

teal mist
#

I just think it should have some damn purple

wanton salmon
#

same for any other omega level, who just cant fit otherwise, like storm

#

agree

#

purple or make it streetwear and go for the SUPER inexperienced young magneto look

#

like teen magneto as a hero would rule

#

angry nazi hunter 50s/60s magneto

celest wadi
#

TBF, I feel like storm is often shown holding off

wanton salmon
#

she is, but she isnt often shown buffing people with speed and damage boosts

#

as far as im aware shes like, never done that outside of one off events, even in the movies

#

its a bizzarre choice

#

like shes weaker in the movies too

#

but they straight up give her comic costumes instead

teal mist
#

The movies fuckin hated storm

wanton salmon
#

its true but she was still rad

teal mist
#

And everyone not wolverine tbh

wanton salmon
#

i really hope storm gets a full rework, even if htey move her to support

#

both her and magneto need a fastball special with wolverine too

#

magneto with his magnetism, storm with wind

wanton salmon
#

as every full support has a heal main ability and i cant think of how that would work for storm

runic apex
#

idk but rn her kit doesnt work with itself

wanton salmon
#

big agree there

runic apex
#

maybe deployable clouds

wanton salmon
#

almost everything she has is anti synergistic

#

wouldnt that be a tank ability more than tactician?

celest wadi
runic apex
#

rocket has a dployable that gives amor and revives

#

why not healing clouds

#

that rain

wanton salmon
#

also, imo, they should replace hulk with Bruce Banner, give him a bit better abilities, but make his ult the easiest to trigger in the game, and keep hulk the same but with more damage

teal mist
#

I am unsure what that means

wanton salmon
#

like, with Hulk, you always start as bruce

#

so the character should be bruce

teal mist
#

Oh I getcha but also Bruce even having a gun is shocking

#

I personally could punch Banner so hard he cried

wanton salmon
#

and then the hulking out ult should be faster than when he gets nocked out of hulk state currently, but you dont start with it full

#

then hulk can ACTUALLY be more powerful

#

as right now he feels realllly limp

runic apex
#

he is invicpable when hulking/unhulking

teal mist
#

Unhulking is p much a death sentence

wanton salmon
#

and the banner transform survive option is also anti synergistic with being a dive tank, as he is way worse at regetting his hulk than dva was

runic apex
#

thats mainly due to dva being really small

#

banner is bigger than dva but smaller then the rest of the cast

#

and he does have a gamma grenade

wanton salmon
#

all hulks abilities are good, but they have too low damage, but cant have the damage buffed while he gets to start as hulk and stays a tank

teal mist
#

He also is practically stunned for two seconds while shrinking

wanton salmon
#

he does, but-yeah

teal mist
#

Juuuust enough time for Hawkeye to line up the killshot

wanton salmon
#

if he just got more abilities that were obviously tactician backline, and builds a fast hulk ult that turns him into a dive tank that has better dps, i think he would work amazing

teal mist
#

I think he works rather fine imo

#

Could maybe use a touch-up or a cooldown adjustment

runic apex
#

yeah i think hulk is fine

#

maybe just just number changes

wanton salmon
#

really? even with his low damage as hulk and uselessness of the transformation and 3rd level hult grapple?

teal mist
#

Should get crit immunity like Jeff obv

wanton salmon
#

he feels really anti synergistic, same as storm

runic apex
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again number changes

teal mist
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His transform is super not useless

wanton salmon
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no his transform into banner

teal mist
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Big Hulk ruins people

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Ahh

runic apex
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change the big ult grapple into just instant kill and its fine

wanton salmon
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and big hulk is great so long as you dont waste time grappling, as the grapple does less damage than basic attacks as big hulk

teal mist
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I'd give him like three more seconds in ult

runic apex
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im fine with making the grapple instant kill with how long it is

teal mist
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So much better to just Clap on em

runic apex
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i think wolverin's kit is also fine

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its numbers that his issue is

teal mist
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90 seconds on his passive is so horrid

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It only gets lower if you're already killing their whole team by which point you don't need it

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Coolgood

wanton salmon
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alternatively, i think hulk could work great if again you start as banner with better numbers, but big hulk is permanant till you run out of health

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like you just level up and down through hulk states

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and hes just nightmare hard to actually put down

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maybe give his grenade more knockback on HIMSELF as an escape tool, and thats it

wanton salmon
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and he just becomes a really good offtank/divetank like captain america is

runic apex
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the thing is if he was a tank in terms of health or regen his damage would be insane

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because how he secretly works against tanks is he shreads tanks when allowed to

wanton salmon
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off tank, so not as tough as like , hulk

runic apex
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if you make wovlerin etoo tanky you can cause another issue that is the thing

wanton salmon
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well yeah, but the same by boosting his damage
shifting his equivilent health is no better or worse than shifting each attacks dps, it just alters the maths for dps vs survival

runic apex
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one thing that def needs changing is his leap needs to be changed to be less work

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he needs a surbality buff but not one that would make him an off tank

wanton salmon
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healing or self healing or healthpool isnt different in the calculation other than how it makes people think about their gameplan as they play, in terms of damaged recieved vs damage dealt over time

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i would agree if we had like, even half as many tanks as dps

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or if more popular heroes were in the tank catagory

runic apex
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thats not how balnace works

wanton salmon
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it has some, but not enough, and tanks are required for how the game is designed even if not in an absolute sense if your team has good enough relative skill

teal mist
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they all seem pretty popular

wanton salmon
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yeah thats true, but theres still more than 2x as many dps and i play so many games even in comp with no tank unless i go tank

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and they have said they will not make roll queue

runic apex
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balacning based on how many of a class exists is not good way to balance

teal mist
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There could be 2x the numbers of tanks

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And everyone will go dps

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People love to dps

wanton salmon
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oh, right

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thats why my point

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is to make him an off tank dps

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and either have more catagories, or replace catagories with tags

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the balance is lying to people so they pick dps but the team gets a tank

runic apex
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i think tanks just arent as important in rivals compared to overwatch

wanton salmon
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and instead of a shield he is just dangerous enough to get focus and tank through it

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id disagree, otherwise, why have any character other than dps at all

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dps with tank like abilities sure

runic apex
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because you still tanks are useful

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just not as useful as overwatch

wanton salmon
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but if tanks arent neccesery, dps get to do more damage and get more divergent but simpler abilities AND are more popular

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why not make everyone dps

teal mist
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Tank with dps abilities my beloved, Thor you big beautiful idiot

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your ultimate is bad though

runic apex
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1-3-2 is a common comp setup

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strange and venom are really strong tanks

wanton salmon
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but that seems inconsistent with the idea that there shouldnt be more tanks and that tanks arent as neccesery

runic apex
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as

wanton salmon
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like, if tanks are common enough to be commonly 1 out of 6

runic apex
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venom and strange are strong enoughj on their own they can solo tank really well in an offensie matchup

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peni alone can shutdown melee on defense

teal mist
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I still don't understand how Venom gets things done

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All he seems to do is move fast and not die

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And somehow they end up with 25 kills

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I've never felt threatened by a venom they just kind of show up sometimes

wanton salmon
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honestly i think a lot of it is his ability to pick low health targets

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swing up, dive with his ground pound on anyone low

runic apex
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hes a dive tank that can hurt healers that they can't run away from well

teal mist
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You guys see targets with low health? That sounds awesome

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Everyone I meet has 5 hp for a fraction of a second before rocketing back to 275

wanton salmon
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well sure just by watching how people take damage

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and if you are in the air his dive is REALLY FAST

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and knocks up

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so it breaks lock on heals

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like, you might want to dive at someone who is at full health because in 1 second you can see they will be at half health for a couple of seconds before they get healed

teal mist
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Maybe just cause I play Rocket if I'm healing

wanton salmon
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because hawkeye is aiming at them

teal mist
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I can just sort of leave

wanton salmon
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or something

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lmao

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yeah

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same when im playing cloak and dagger

teal mist
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Or fill him with bullets

wanton salmon
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and can just go invisible into blind

teal mist
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Treat Rockets gun like an automatic shotgun

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It eats tanks if you get brave

runic apex
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groot is the other tank i think can solo tank well

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if its a map with a lot of places he can just wall up

teal mist
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Groot mains frighten me

wanton salmon
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the main trick with groot seems to be yelling at your team to stand near your healing walls lmao

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i hope we get more "emplacement" heroes honestly

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either turret or wall or creep or something else

severe zephyr
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The walls… heal…

wanton salmon
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its my favourite playstyle as an old engi main

severe zephyr
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What?

runic apex
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i don't think adding another wall would be good just cause groot has so many it would get bothersome

wanton salmon
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if you are near a wall and damage and enemy, you and nearby allies get minor bonus health that is effectivly healling irc

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its minor but with both small walls up and multiple people in the bubble range it has a surprising impact

wanton salmon
wanton salmon
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ah lmao i may have been wrong and it only heals root

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groot

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lmao

main parcel
wanton salmon
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nope i was right

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heals nearby allies to, 40 per second up to 250 BONUS HEALTH

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it does SO MUCH for his usefullness

severe zephyr
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Ahhh

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I play a lot of iron man so

wanton salmon
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lmao

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ironically ive seen a lot of ironmans do surprisingly well playing low to the ground

severe zephyr
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Yeah it’s a good strategy

wanton salmon
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no one expects an ironman behind a strange/magneto shield until he can hold a boosted unibeam on them till they die without worrying about getting headshot by a helen keller across the map

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groots big wall also does 120 damage per sec aoe

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if you can get the awakened bonus by hitting an enemy while standing next to it

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its teamfight ending

teal mist
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Hulk you may end up doing permanent damage to my spacebar

hexed niche
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Kill all Hawkeyes

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Kill all Hawkeyes

runic apex
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i really hope they arewnt gonna be one of those devs that wait until the season is over for nerfs

unique meadow
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I started today and I'm climbing out of the random pit of randos by uhhh

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playing Punisher 76 and just holding M1 on people

sour forge
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yeah he's uh

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he's pretty good

unique meadow
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I have been playing Jeff because Jeff, but my teammates are not winning games

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I'm not at the level where anyone is doing anything together

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so I have no choice but to M1

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also feel free to add me

teal mist
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Don't forget to swap weapons to m1 when they get close

unique meadow
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yes, essentially strategy

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also torb turret whenever people are being dumb

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or bastion

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idk

teal mist
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Bastion, Namor gets baby torb turrets in the form of some octopi

unique meadow
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nice

teal mist
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They are shockingly effective

unique meadow
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I will be staying away from comp but this is a nice competant hero shooter that hasn't shat the bed yet

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I wish I could turn off skins, I barely know any marvel people, so I often only know who it is once I'm dead lmao

teal mist
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That and getting used to what everyone screams for an ultimate

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I still can barely tell Friendly Jeff from Evil Jeff

runic apex
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i don't see to many skins minus the ones in the pass

teal mist
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The only particularly samey shapes are like.. Mantis and Luna, but they do just about the same things anyhow so it's not a big trouble

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Forever thankful to Hela's Big Stupid Crown to let me know where she is

unique meadow
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then I died

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we did not have a thor

teal mist
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Thor Ult Kills aren't common, let him have it

silent wren
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I had a game last night where our Jeff didn't know how to spit out his allies. So he swallowed me along with some of the other team and suicided off a cliff

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Even when Jeff is friendly he's evil

unique meadow
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though in my case I fell and hit the killbox before I thought it would happen

runic apex
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is it just me or supports the most toxic

teal mist
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Instalock DPS trend rough, but a dps forced to heal is full of bile and hate

runic apex
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no i mean like support mains

timber garnet
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I turned off voice chat

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Better for my sanity

runic apex
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honestly voice chat has been quiet

timber garnet
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It has but the few times it isn't, its bad

runic apex
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ive heard 1 person talk over voice so far not in comp

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and it was mouth breathing

teal mist
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Ohh

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I turned voice off so maybe I'm missing out on healer loathing