#Mahvel Rivals baby
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my ideal magneto kit would be based around a big aura of floating projectiles around him, that he regens slowly and can spend to shoot at enemies at the cost of not having them to block anymore
i don't, i think it's wild to claim this game is aimed at casuals when so many of the characters have misleading novels for ability descriptions
i read complicated novellas of rulestext for fun and even i think this many pointless moving parts is a little much
wolverine being the worst offender i can think of offhand
i do think its wierd how many heros have double jump with wierd conditions added on
like okay if you wanna make seventy thousand different meters and whatsitdoodles for a character go ahead but for gods sake
at least make the descriptions accurate
like say he has 8 sections of wreckage that together make up the same size block shield
and he can right click to throw one, holding it down to charge a longer throw and more damage, but while you charge you cant block with them
and they have healthbars and get destroyed by enemy fire when using them to block
widow has a to sprint, black panther has to wall climb?
Maybe give Magneto golem arms.
iron just can just jump whenever
then his ult throws them all at once AND THEN regens them all at once
alternativly, make micheal fassbender magneto
like early nazi hunter magneto
Good idea honestly.
way less control, uses a gun and a knife, but can still absolutely fucking destroy one guy
lower power magneto is the only way to make him even remotely accurate
and can lock someone down with stuns/forced movement by controling metal on their body
either early magneto, or an au version thats weaker or partly restrained
Does Magneto ever do nonsense with people's blood having iron?
even my idea to be actually comic accureate would have to be in some kind of idk the power repression tech reed makes
that's Metallica
yeah
Or well, do it frequently.
but also i would be really surprised if he didn't
powered up arc ending state
but in the older comics where its just a fun time
and les concerened with lore
he can basically just do whatever
and then say magnets
Magneto has done some wacky shit.
at one point he has the ability to make full colour holograms by magnetizing non metalic dust via magnetic electrical charges
and old magneto could fly without metal by magnetizing himself (SOMETIMES ONLY)
Nazi Hunter Magneto?
Magneto is an Omega Level mutant aka like highest of the high
Sometimes considered the strongest mutant ever depending on whos talking
They’d be wrong but they’re allowed to say it
He made Apocalypse his bitch that one time.
Once again I'm reminded of the idea of Magneto and Doom beating the shit out of Red Skull :v
They gotta add Doom at some point
Dude does some crazy shit like matter manipulation, like sub atomic particles, creating portals, astral projection, and absorbing all forms of energy
Probably after this season
xmen movie magneto starts off lower power and is introduced hunting nazis in south america post ww2 as a young adult
The best thing ever to come out of Marvel and no mistake.
IIRC Doom is like, kinda the ultimate villain in the Rivals-verse? I may be misremembering
Magneto can pull the iron out of someones body but theres like an amount equal to a penny
He is yah
and rivals gimick, or one of them, is that most heroes are already from different aus
Knull is sort of being set up as the next big bad based on the event text
two different dooms even
This whole time stream stuff is caused by current and 2099 Doom beefing
My problematic king
i hope we get a doombot character
But Doom caused the dimension rift thing
Neat
The event comic panels things, when you complete the texts, show the current story, and it looks like there will be one for every season
Which sort of coincides with how they plan to adjust teamups to reflect the current Rivals lore
I really really want the defenders, that's like
my main wishlist item
Give me jessica jones
oh yeah give me bone claw wolverine as a skin too plskthx
yeah luke cage seemed like such a gimme as well
Don't do this!
TBH I would love if they did little thingsl ike League does
"Magneto does precisely 1 more damage to Wolverine in all instances"
Wolverine is kinda handicapped by his metal bones.
Im excited to see what Ultrons kit will be
Since he does the whole Doombot thing but that's his whole gimmic
Idk, I know they technically limit his healing factor but they make him so much more durable
@green junco
Basically it's keeping hos mutation from evolving because it's healing him.
Having a practically unbreakable skeleton is pretty good
Doom is by far my favorite marvel character
It also keep him from turning into a feral monster.
People kinda forget sometimes that Doom is Romani, and the Nazis hated them, too
Secret Wars was basically the biggest blunder of doom
i want gambit
Don't forget
A blunder so big that even him in the end admitted Reed would have been better then him in it
(Also Secret Wars)
also if we get gambit can we get gambit without the wierd helmet
I do like Doctor Doom because after having that exact vision, he was like
"Oh good, I'm RIGHT."
"Always knew I was tbh"
Doom's pride (and pettiness) is core to his character
even before that, dude has the balls to strip naked and be like "I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, I AM HUMANITY'S SAVIOR, JUDGE ME CAT GOD"
Like if Doom messed up so bad even he had to admit Richards was better then him, then he fucked up
Yeah
Doom is so hellbent on being better than Reed, hes actually a good godfather
Yep
He’s also a man of style and honor
He pulled a massive machavellian move just to like
Make Reeds daughter's first words be "Doom"
God this convo rules
Conan immediately seeing through his postering is so fun
In before Doom unravels your skin
Look
Doom will do that to me for making fun of him
But also making fun of doom is so fun
Of course
I love him so much and part of that is that even as powerful as he is, even he can’t back up his ego
He’s an 11, but he thinks he’s a 12
The followup to that conversation
Same energy
hell yeah
Hell yeah
Tbf he's pretty scarred
Mhm
Also it’s not just me but in that third panel, Bane kinda looks like Minsc right?
Like the shadow from his tubes makes him look like he has Minsc’s purple ring tattoo
My first thought on that was Kratos actually
thats honestly not as bad as i expected
Yeah I was also thinking that
yeah his scars kinda vary based on writers
My favorite part of Doom is that if he wasn't such a prideful asshole, he'd probably genuinely do more good than Reed
But his pettiness limits him
did yall see the new hero leaks?
No
Which ones?
ones ive seen are a batch of four in total
He both the leader of a nation and (almost) as smart as him
wait no, five
Reed is still limited by the laws of the world around him
(Except when he breaks them)
He ranges from a phantom of the opera style "Yeah I'm a little disfigured on the top half" to "Freddy Krueger got off easy"
He is a candidate for Sorcerer Supreme
Yah
I like when he’s the former until he puts on his still burning mask and becomes the later
And Infamous Ironman is sick
my preffered doom is either "basically no physical damage at all, its emotional scars"
putting on the burning mask was pretty fucking metal
or "realistic burn scars"
"Oh no he's hot?!?!?!"
"I am not hot, I am Doom"
"oh hes a normal guy"
He’s nothing if not devoted
Doctor Doom ult leak:
but doom is like MY FACE WAS STOLEN FROM ME BY THE FAILURE FORCED UPON ME BY REED
Speaking of ults
When you pull it off, Scarlet Witch ult feels great
I fucking love vaporizing people
“Victor you cut your lip”
“Silence RICHARDS!”
i want them to just replace Squirrel girls
I like hers
I know how to use it decently and i still think its bad
Squirrel girl ult either hits like a train or misses
Magneto's basically shouldn't have an absorb limit tbh
I kinda dislike how Psylocke and Spidey have extremely similar ults
Spidey is a lot more interruptable
I feel that way about Snow and Mantis
Snow and Mantis ults are so annoying
'Nothing Happening Here for 10 Seconds'-ass Ults
I also feel mantis is way easier to kill in her ult
Mantis gets 500 hp and superspeed if you're killing her good job
You press Q and your team is effectively invincible for 10 seconds
Is Snows longer?
no no
"victor you werent injured at all??"
"richards, youd destroyed my lifes work up until that point. my credibility. my university position. my funding. that machine would have saved millions of lives, and you broke it, and worse, you proved me a fool for trusting you. none shall look upon my face again, I said. the man I was, was destroyed, rendered a pitiable husk by your hands. even you pitied me, there, in that hospital bed you put me in. I wasnt injured? Reed there is nothing left of what I was. All there is now.....is Doom."
Healer ults be like that
They don't all have to be Zenyatta
THEN he goes "SILENCE RICHARDS" and makes him dress as a class dunce so doom will free Ben from timeprison or something.
lmao thank you
Is the Iron Fist in this game not Danny Rand?
Verymuch not
Huh. Why not
Danny lost his powers
were there other Iron Fists?
Oh ok
Yah
hulk was iron fist one time i think
Iron fist is just a title
yeah
One with hundreds of people taking it
you get it by punching a magic dragon in the heart
Thor was iron fist for some time too
And one which will have hundreds more in the future
Oki
I mostly meant like, KNOWN iron fists as the titular comic character(tm)
Danny lost his powers, and now Lin Lie is the current one
sure let me get the list
Lin Lie, or the Sword Master(His paid skin references the sword) is the current Iron Fist and the one in the game
If Danny really wanted to he could Batman it, who needs dragonheart powers
I think Danny is rn
Like he hasn’t stopped fighting
But he has lost the iron fist powers
Some people are speculating that it's because "rich white guy goes to Asian country to learn martial arts" narratives are under scrutiny nowadays.
oh yeah thats happened before too
But, like...Dr. Strange is still in?
like people were saying that from the 70s and 80s and 90s and 2000s and 2010s
because iron fist isnt just kung fu powers in the lore
it has a whole cultural element
Danny, I'm 90% sure, is dead right now 616 continuity wise
He's more broadly "Ultra Wizard of Marvel"
you become the protector of kun lun
Ahhh ok
Basically Strange has more going for him than the orientalism
but also theres been a bunch because theres been a bunch of different people with the title anyway, as when superhero comics get a title, they pass it round for variety
like how SO MANY fucking people have been in the fantastic four
While that's basically all there is to Danny
a few times its had none of the origional ff in it at all lmao
or how many times batman has been someone else
sometimes for a while, or an au, or a weekend in comics, or its someone else inheriting the title or whatever
Its kinda like how there's been multiple iron mans, war machines, and iron patriots in the 616 main canon
Netease also helped create Lin Lie.
so iron fist has that going on along with the whole apropriation annoyance thing
The FF have been swapping out members since the original Stan Lee run
Lin Lie is their baby.
Ok
but even in the comics there was Pei, Fan Fei, Wu Ao-shi, a buncha iron fists
as marvel characters go its one of the few you can easily go "heres a new one",
like spiderman
there have also been multiple arcs directly fighting over BEING iron fist
as you can challange for the title
Honestly for like, every marvel character who’s super hero name is a title and not their name, there’s probably been multiple versions
Iron Man, Cap, War Machine, iron fist, hell Thor
And in that case that’s just his name
like even in the 70s and 80s danny rand iron fist comics his arch enemy for a while were different people trying to take the title and powers, some of whome managed to claim it for different amounts of time
thats true lmao
There have also been just, so many Captain America’s
honestly, i kinda wish rivals did that for one or two more characters like magneto, where there kit is a bit more divergent
oh god so many captain americas
HEY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT NOMAD
“Cap goes rogue or dies and the US tries to replace him” is like a standard marvel storyline
i think that would be too confusing to work in a game enviroment
eh not all of em just one or two
unless its drastickly diffrent
and lin lie does fine, most people dont care
like hulkbuster could work
Hell, the MCU did this
i was just thinking like, give magneto a different first name, now its a slightly different version of magneto in game cannon so its easier to justify his different power use
There’s so many more
A few examples
honestly, i know it doesnt work at all for anything the character was meant to be, but i still think luna snow shoulda been this for iceman
for this game
aim is a skin
It is
yeah aimerica is in the game
I'm not actually sure why Magneto looks like a knight of yore in this game
I think that second one was when Red Skull rewrote reality actually
But it was still Steve
Technically
Still counts in my book, even due to the circumstances, but cool panel too
a buncha characters have been shifted into netease house style to be aimed less at "asian players" (Which i have seen complaints of) but to aim them at hero shooter players and moba players
Fair
Also civil war 
like psylock isnt betsy braddock or kwannon, shes a new lady called Sai, making her name a pun
but like is his home dimension going through the Dark Ages or somethin
She's also alternate reality
Taking Psylocke away from her old canon is always, always a good move
The MCU film is probably the best we can get out of the Civil War storyline.
like iirc Sai Psylock is from the actual past
so this magneto could be
yeah
its even specifically all a bunch of new au multiverses
did they not have the ability to create purple in Magneto's realm
thats why so many characters are a little different
paint that man
Psylocke to Venom: "In my world, they called you Orochi"
god i was gonna play rivals or helldivers today but ive just been collapsed exhausted since like 8pm and its nearly midnight bah
Black Panther is specifically from the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda
Also his little lore blurb name drops Reed Richards specifically so theres a good tell
i cant wait for the season where the wakanda empire is the enemy faction and he goes full emperor of mankind evil guy
its gonna rule so hard
Cap was unfrozen in 2099 instead of present day
What did they mention about him?
Its at the bottom of the second paragraph
Is the Empire of Wakanda a comic thing
Spiderman's homeworld being overrun with vampires, Scarlet's got Demon Problems..
Or is it new to Rivals
i hope we get an au Gwen Poole, whose deal is that this gwenpoole is a gamer, so she gets a load of gamer bullshit tricks like a "clipping clitch" that lets her see through and pass through any destructible terrain as a shift ability
new to rivals I THINK but there have been agressors varients of wakanda before
It's a 2099 thing I'm pretty sure
ooooo
i havent been big into 2099 since the og spiderman 2099 run
got a buncha them as a youngun
Whats Wakanda like in 2099?
"As he awaits a sign from Bast to tell him if Doom should be trusted, he protects the Empire's Chromonium supply and shares his tech with trusted allies - like Reed Richards"
Last sentence of the lore bit for Black Panther
So Reed could be from 2099
panther is the other ult i think is really weak
Neat
I have a few friends that play him
He’s extremely strong
Assuming you know his combos
he is
I may have lied, I think its a 616 thing actually
his ult itself though is kinda meh
Panther's ult is good for doing things Panther wants to do but you still need to combo afterward
He’s got quite a few ways to one shot 250s, but they’re all kinda hard
Fair, though the question is unrelated
I'm wondering what Wakanda is like in 2099
And i'm perfectly content with the divers not having Instantly Kills You Ults, since they changed spidermans
Also I don’t think this is like, an aggressor wakanda
Assuming we know
More space colonizer wakanda
There's this space group called Alpha flight who go out to do space shit, get shot into an anomaly and make a space empire far away, and then later meet up with regular Wakanda
Gamer Poole would be neat, but the idea of classic Gwen Poole throwing out text bubbles as shields is too funny of an idea to pass up
There’s no mention of them conquering things, they just colonized uninhabited planets
oh not yet in revealed lore, but emperor black panther of the space empire wakanda means its a colonizing power which means it IS an agressor even if we dont see it
and iirc they conquored nowhere
like the celestial corpse
it looks like it based on one of the cutscenes i watched but it might have been a trailer thing
but it says they conqoured the source of vibranium
and i forget where that is
but i remember it being an actual place at least in mainline
T'Challas bloodline dies, almost causes a civil war, they chill out. Doom invades and takes over Wakanda, and a new Black Panther starts a resistance movement
there was a whole ancient intersteller war over it
Space lore outside of earth gets complicated fast when you include timey wimey shenanigans, like with the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda
M'Baku leads it though
actually you know what I require out of this game and might be enough to make me drop it out of annoyance for a while if they dont do it?
invisible woman needs to be a tank
vanguard i mean
her WHOLE thing is shields
I think the leak said she was a strategist but we shall see
Hmm.. I feel like either mcu or comics Kamala Khan would do well as a vanguard.
Ms Marvel would be awesome
Probably comics with a MCU skin looking at how things are
theyve said they want all tanks to be big body characters, but theres already varience there, and they could just have her constantly be projecting shields around herself
Also make women with big bodies
Big Bertha could be cool for someone less well known
You made Strange 6'5
Great Lakes Avengers : )
looking at netease i am limiting my hopes to possible reality
i think they are too mysogenist to do that
like, its pretty inarguably misogynist in how it displays its female characters even if a bunch of them have rad and fun to play character kits
Isn't she DC?
Big Barda is DC
Wait no
Big Bertha is MC
Emma Frost could be an interesting tank too, since she's diamond now after the Beast stuff
I could see her with a bucket load of CC
Big Bertha could have maybe a body swap type of deal, like her small and big form?
gwenpoole as vanguard but her shield ability is she just keeps fucking covering herself in expanding textboxes from yapping, and the textboxes physically block bullets
that would require netease to make a fat female character
Doesn't Gwenpoole have like an actual '90% of shots miss me' passive
Beast stuff?
like not just "a more curvy normal human bodytype" like squirrel girl
she does but that would be probably really annoying in a game like this
otherwise i think SPIDERMAN shoulda been a dodge based vanguard with spidersense
Spidersense in this game only seems to be for making the screen harder to see
Beast tried to fix his mutant gene which basically super accelerated it, causing him to be more beasty. Emma Frost also took it, which caused her to be permanently diamond
I saw someone here a while back suggest that her ult should be enabling friendly fire for the enemy team.
Sounds like more kills for Khonsu
like i think jeane grey should be a sniper, who just holds her hand next to her head and looks at you from across the map, with pheonix form as a ult
like
If that's not enough, could also have it make everyone suddenly look identical, so you can't tell who you're shooting at.
then her q turns you into an even more buffed version of something like magiks demonform
except when it ends, you are even squishier and worse in melee
ARGH I HATE MULTIPLE CANONS, in the comics, it was a sentinel attack, in another media, it was something beast made
in some cannons she can just do that!
Another toxic gameplay idea for Emma Frost: a cc that actively points your camera in a different direction
in the movie canon she isnt psychic and its her only power!
Like she fears you and you turn around and start running away
Amazing. I like how we're making this absolutely horrible to fight.
She Hulk is probably also a shoe in for Vanguard
i dunno i think she should actualy be dps
I'll be honest I'm not sure how to set up a second tank powerset for a Hulklike
Captain Marvel maybe?
like she hulks whole thing is being physically more normal in size
compared to hulk
She Hulk takes you to court
hit someone with a briefcase
She Hulks ult is just Phoenix Wright from Marvel Vs Capcom
lmao
Wolverine when I catch him committing tax fraud
i am not sure wolverine has actually commited tax fraud even though its a meme
There's no way that man does the paperwork for taxes
i think he may have aged out tax code he was born under
and certainly wast earning or inheriting for most of his life
He's been dead according to the government of canada for like 50 years
i don't think he even can pay taxes
you could get him on immigration fraud
and even if he was he's like hundreds of years old
he has actually died several times
Does Wolverine even have like, income?
god
I feel like he just mooches off the school
thanks to weapon x
im imagining like a Marvel;s Damage Control but for goverment beuracracy
like i don't think Wolverine has paperwork shit
If we want more animals, get Devil Dinosaur in there
she hulk running an organisation prosecuting heroes for tax fraud etc
Just start eating people as a vanguard
trying to get secret identity heroes to not reveal themselves but make sure they have social security numbers and stuff
R.E.D T.A.P.E, the beuracracy version of shield
"legally, we are actually part of the Federal Postal Service, which means we get to pull rank on everyone up to the president"
not really but i can see the point of comparison
Secret identities I mean
civil war starts with a conversation that in a good timeline could lead to that at least
yeah
That’s a version of civil war Reed looks into while studying alt universe reeds
“This Reed teamed up with She Hulk and Daredevil to start a government bureaucracy to properly file the taxes of masked super heroes. This Reed found great success”
we love superhero lawyers
i hate them but they are better than superhero prison industrial complexes
so its a rock and a hard place
I just really like
Enjoy the idea of seeing how superheroes impact the world as a whole on a more ground level
like, how do the laws apply to them
do people get insurance payouts for damage from superheroes?
yeah its why i like Damage Control
the marvel comic about the team that rebuilds after superhero fights
I really liked the Spider-Man movie with Vulture because of that
i genuinely reccomend old damage control if you havent read it
yeah
i havent seent he show but its such a good idea if done right
Did you ever read Pound the Table? Fanfic about a mutant lawyer
It's not poor Spidey's fault all his villains just hate terrain
"What is the HULK doing here?"
that's the funniest part of this panel
well, cover
It just reminds me of the fuckin uhh
who's the guy
very obnoxious comic artist who always draws his own head making some remarkably dumb comment
ben garrison?
Maybe?
Same vibe at least
STAN KELLY
I know it's parody
it's that same fuckin vibe seeing Hulk's head there
The tank discussion has kinda passed but my votes for female tanks are Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur and Medusa
You could use Medusa's hair to make her have the silhouette of a tank
The tank discussion must always exist, people need to play more of them
Also that's a real fun idea
Wish I could say it was mine but it feels too cool to not share
I'm not sure how they'd scale Devil though
Yeah that's kinda the problem they would be a small giant dinosaur
Maybe his ult makes him his true form?
hes a bit smaller in the cartoon sometimes and they have the au stuff to play with
so they can just make him a useable size
yeah i don't think hawkeye should be able to oneshot 80% of the roster
even hazno wasnt this bad
Honestly experimenting with giving more duelist 300 HP could be neat
Like Storm could really use 300
yo uneed 358 hp to surive headshot form hawkeye currently
Oh no
It feels like some of the DPS were designed with the idea that no one in the world could aim better than the folks making the game
A Hawkeye that Doesn't Miss is fucking ruinous
hela is overpowered rn too for the asme reason
And it makes widows 240hp gating even weirder
if there's a Hawkeye and I'm Thor I just sort of sigh and switch
it is tragic what he does to tanks
but also anything with hp
and unless you Perfectly Ambush him a good one can whip around and toast most of the divers
don't even need headshots alot of the time iether
just a charged body shot>uncharged does it
and he shoots so fast
and never reloads
Strange has to reload.. magic, Groot reloads his arms
this guy can't shuffle a quiver
Close enough welcome back huntsman tf2.
https://youtu.be/QGY6R4u75eg?feature=shared went 24-0 with SG
that explains why my mouse has felt off this entire time
oh maybe it is placebo?>
“OH MY GODDD” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
know what would be funnire to make the portal go into a peni trap nest
you know what storm should just be reworked to a vanguard
she starts as walking with 250 health but left shift summons a windstorm around her that block bullets and lifts her into the air
as she deals damage the clouds around her is increased in health, and goes from windstorm to rainstorm to snowstorm to thunderstorm
left click gets a bonus based on storm state and ult increases in range and damage based on storm state.
fully destroying the bullet blocking stormclouds gives her a temprorary fast flight to escape
shes a damn omegalevel mutant but they have her out here giving buffs which she is not at all known to do. debuffs from a storm that slows enemies ir stuns with lightnening or freezes people solid maybe
I could not stop laughing at this 😭 #MarvelRivals
8???
Winter Soldiers ult is a little bit ridiculous
Yeah but getting 7 resets in a 6v6 mode is pretty funny
Oh, sorry. Initial ult plus 8 resets
true
mfw
AGAIN
AGAIN
AGAIN
Winter Soldier is going to be disgusting in the hands of top players with his ult
especially if you pair him with a good Loki i imagine
He's so fun if you have a Peni on your team to snag folks into
headshot damage maybe a bit up there but they're so slooow it's fiiiine
Diving as Jeff when the other team isnt prepared is so funny. Has absouletely no right to work
his ult can be denied pretty easily thats the downside of it
I got a multi-kill with wolverine's ult recently
it was cause as I pushed the enemy team into the air spidey came in and started to ult too
so the enemy were literally floating their helpless while being ripped apart by spidey
So I saw some people saying "Iron Fist does more damage" so I decided to run some tests.
Without E IronMan Unibeam takes 2:10 seconds, with E takes 1:19 (This is assuming 250 HP Iron Fist)
Iron Fist using just M1 takes 3 seconds to kill, and landing shift takes 2:03
Quoting Brutus 🇨🇦 (@Le_Brutus)
Why has no Iron Man ever just tried using Un...
This honestly confirms to me that iron man is one of the best iron fist counters in the game if you can aim unibeam
He genuinely shuts him down so easily and iron fist needs to dedicated so many resources to get to him most of the time only to kill him slower
iron fist moves a lot while when using unibeam your nearly still
not to mention blocking the unibeam enough would make ironfist have 500 hp
I mean it’s both hitscan and you can just stop shooting when iron fist is in parry stance
As well his enhanced punches have significantly worse verticals tracking
So he’s actively worse at getting to iron man while in it
Just hit the spacebar I guess
loki clones count
Oh that would do it
Oh I had no idea
also addams was ulting in that one
I had been guessing the first few to die making their way back to the point and dying again
Yeah a res would help too
I am NOT going to sugarcoat it
the real thing that makes winter so strong is the hook
blitzcrank mofos
infinite ammo on a gun balanced around having a mag size of THREE seems p strong
i think the best teamup ablity is probally SG's or stranges
Infinite Ammo and attack speed boost
finally, Iron Man slander
Iron Man mains really just need to challenge Iron Fist most of the time to not lose
Honestly, after playing this game enough, I do think it's kinda fun seeing different comp types battle it out, like depending on players and characters, you could win with goats or 1,3,2 or 2,2,2
1,3,2 is pretty common yeah
But I can see why people want role queue
i evne did 3,1,2 once on defense
I only sorta want role queue so I can ever play dps without griefing
i don't want role queue at all
i don't think the game really works for it like people think it will
because then you got to decide what is the choic 222 312 132
still aweful
role que also just makes the game really reallly samey and boring
If they make a role queue it will singlehandedly force, even if not intentionally, everyone in any queue to do the same thing
because then you side with a meta
It's early in the game's life that stuff is developing
role que was invented in overwatch to help prevent goats but it enmded up just making everyone chose the top 2 heros in each type
and thats even more stupid in a game like rivals where there is a lot more synrgy and map choice being a factor
100% agree
on attack having more then one tank isnt that important
while defense going tripple tank can be a good strat
because you don't need to sit on the paylaod if you just kill the enemy faster on attack you also keep it
theres also some heros that get a pretty large boost with certain teamups
I wolverine tackled a storm out of the sky
people really need to learn 222 isnt the best comp
Huge
Game ended as we landed so I believe canonically we landed into a makeout sesh
probably not the first time logan did that
5 dps one healer lets fucking go
i do think 2 healers is the one thing you do really want
I tried Loki recently. It’s very satisfying healing with two clones but most of the time my invisibility died to just random stray projectiles
Yeah it's odd, it feels most helpful when combined with his teleport
Sitting on CDs and pretending to be just another Loki Turret is a shockingly effective strat
He feels very map dependant though
Also they mustn't have a Moon Knight (at least for me)
I think it also helps that loads of heroes feel dualistic in nature. Like theres plenty of support characters who can deal damage and like DPS who have decent tank-like properties
mantis is a duelist that can heal
that is the one joke I heard about her
Cap Murica is an Offtank if you have played paladins and know that role
honestly i think it doesnt need roll queue as picking good is part of the skill
but it REALLY REALLY REALLY needs a more honest hero select catogories
scratch that
The one hero that confuses me is definitely Storm
like, it needs "shield tank" "dive tank" "off tank" "heal tank" "buff tank" "pure dps" "shield dps" "heal dps" "buff dps" "healer" "buffer"
we need more chars in roles that arent duelist
I thought she was support
storm should be a tank, change my mind
we have only 8 or so tanks and healers
STORMS DPS BUT SHES ALL BUFFS ITS STUPID
Storms powerset is just real boring for someone whose powers include everything
and his heals is him throwing chimichangas or some 4th wall break thing like using a colored pencil to fill the health bar
or as an ult ask for a favor from the devs or Death to not be able to die him and his teammates
I feel it was not unreasonable for me to have assumed she was support
Nothing about her kit indicates dps save her ult
storm needs to be thrown away her entire kit makes no sense
every part of her kit conflicts with another part
When are we getting Dante in Rivals
she floats has low hp so she easyily can be killed at close range, but her buffs only work at close range, if she is far away she cant hit with her projectiles very well, but she no longer gets shreaded]
They gave her no reason to be flying it's so weird
it feels like nobody actully thought how her kit would work together
changes id make:
New Tanks:
Storm, moveset based around creating a storm wall and upgrading it by hitting enemies, or spending its health for abilities
Namor, moveset based around summoning walls of water and being able to put octopi IN the water walls
Wolverine, Divetank/Healtank/offtank, just has more regen and his attacks have more "ramp up" like his melee is a minigun
New Supports:
Iron Man, identical moveset but his beam now applies a shield to allies AND himself while contact is maintained and he can throw armour packs
Black Widow, Same sniper rifle, but grapplehook is replaced with "gauntlet darts" that slow then stun enemies and heal allies
honestly the only change to make him a tank would be to swap his water orb with making a water wall, and he can put octopi in it to make em last as long as the wall does
straight up buff
the orb is pretty awesome but fair enough
I'm still mad about Wolverine not having self heal
Game doesn't need more wall characters imo
it has one
Two groots in a game is already so much
it can take a second, I feel
no i agree on the one groot is enough
also I assume a water wall would just be hard to move through not solid
storms wall as i imagine it wouldnt be a rooted wall either, it would be like a reinhardt shielf that moves on her
and yeah
water wall wouldnt be solid
just block projectiles, maybe even only reduce damage not fully block
theres options
but the game needs not just more tanks and supports but LESS DPS
and it needs the most popular heroes to be more likely to be tanks and supports so people actually play them
i don't think thats a good way to look at it
then it just becomes a wierd numbers game where nobody is happy
but thats what it is right now
the whole "we need more tanks and supports" conversation is people saying "this is a numbers game we arent happy with"
no what your asking for sounds like a good way to just never get no new realses for anything but tank/support
if the leaks are going to be believed, ultron will be a support. i remember a joke that it might get ppl to Actually Play Support if such was the cast, but if rocket and loki didn't convince people, how would he lol
thats what i was about to say
as i see it
I mean it doesnt change that The duelists are FAR BIGGER to the other classes
in size
either we need some dps shuffeled into tank or support or ALL THE NEW CHARACTERS for like YEARS needs to be tanks and supports
no thats just silly to do
as like, you want at least 1 support and 1 tank in each game
There's always going to be more dps
It's a simpler function
It has more space for design
but right now there are more than double the amount of tanks and support
I mean you probably could repurpose some chars as other classes
i disagree
its simpler also withen dps theres much more varience
and you need to think a lot more deeply about adding more tanks and healers than damage
as a bunch of the dps are already partly tanks or supports, and more than one have kits people arent super happy with
cause oh boy can you ruin a game by adding the wrong healer
in overwatch it was already fucked the moment mercy was added
Baptiste, Brigitte..
the only repurpose i could maybe see is wolverine into vanguard and storm into support
even then i don't really agree on wovlerine i think him being somewhere inthe middle is good
I'm fine with characters being a mix of things as it is
its just weird that wolverine can die when the fucker has canonically tanked Hiroshima
It's kind of going to hit that problem in Marvel
wolverine is just garbage beyond garbage and is currently in a comptition with storm and widow for worst charcter
That’s a hot take
because widow does a worse job compared to hawkeye i imagine
or hela
honestly more characters having more mixed kits would also do the game very well as an option SO LONG AS THEY FOREGROUND THAT INFORMATION
honestly i think widow would be a better support than storm
some of the stuff on the website should be ingame for sure
like, have more fine differentiation than vanguard, dps, tactician
i think widow was a bad choice to begin with
League has little subtitles and that could be handy
vanguard, dive, healer, buffer, debuffer, dps
and each character can have up to 3 tags
And yeah a lot of choices are definitely "well, you were in the movies"
widow and namor are the ones i feel the most are just yeah you were in a movie
namor i think needs some work too
/coughs at mantis
namor not even as his base appearance and build are completly different
widow isnt just in a movie she got her own movie and is a founding movie avenger
his kit also has some issues like he has little turrets that die really fast
yet your expected to buff them with your rightclick
Put the turrets on walls, watch people ignore them forever
i kind of like it honestly, it works as just a dps combo more than a turret
namors turrets may as well be laylines
thats a decent arguement for them
or just, a wide buff area he can stand in
also please replace SG's ult
its just visually turrets as a weakness, so enemies can turn it off
Same with Magneto tbh
her ult is also really finnky and will just bounced off tiny things
magneto's ult is really good
i do think her ult should have a bonus effect of debuffing hit enemies and buffing hit allies
i can agree with that
magnetos ult gets WAY BETTER when you realise it ALSO absorbs projectiles
it can fully counter so many other ults
Why can punisher shoot too many bullets for the master of fuckin magnetism
also imo magnetos base skin should EITHER be younger and inexperienced, or wearing some kind of "visible power limiter"
I just think it should have some damn purple
same for any other omega level, who just cant fit otherwise, like storm
agree
purple or make it streetwear and go for the SUPER inexperienced young magneto look
like teen magneto as a hero would rule
angry nazi hunter 50s/60s magneto
TBF, I feel like storm is often shown holding off
she is, but she isnt often shown buffing people with speed and damage boosts
as far as im aware shes like, never done that outside of one off events, even in the movies
its a bizzarre choice
like shes weaker in the movies too
but they straight up give her comic costumes instead
The movies fuckin hated storm
its true but she was still rad
And everyone not wolverine tbh
i really hope storm gets a full rework, even if htey move her to support
both her and magneto need a fastball special with wolverine too
magneto with his magnetism, storm with wind
if they do rework storm and make her a support, how would you want htem to change her?
as every full support has a heal main ability and i cant think of how that would work for storm
idk but rn her kit doesnt work with itself
big agree there
maybe deployable clouds
almost everything she has is anti synergistic
wouldnt that be a tank ability more than tactician?
Be very funny if Magneto got an “anti-team up” where he is better against Wolverine on the enemy team.
rocket has a dployable that gives amor and revives
why not healing clouds
that rain
also, imo, they should replace hulk with Bruce Banner, give him a bit better abilities, but make his ult the easiest to trigger in the game, and keep hulk the same but with more damage
I am unsure what that means
Oh I getcha but also Bruce even having a gun is shocking
I personally could punch Banner so hard he cried
and then the hulking out ult should be faster than when he gets nocked out of hulk state currently, but you dont start with it full
then hulk can ACTUALLY be more powerful
as right now he feels realllly limp
he is invicpable when hulking/unhulking
Unhulking is p much a death sentence
and the banner transform survive option is also anti synergistic with being a dive tank, as he is way worse at regetting his hulk than dva was
thats mainly due to dva being really small
banner is bigger than dva but smaller then the rest of the cast
and he does have a gamma grenade
all hulks abilities are good, but they have too low damage, but cant have the damage buffed while he gets to start as hulk and stays a tank
He also is practically stunned for two seconds while shrinking
he does, but-yeah
Juuuust enough time for Hawkeye to line up the killshot
if he just got more abilities that were obviously tactician backline, and builds a fast hulk ult that turns him into a dive tank that has better dps, i think he would work amazing
really? even with his low damage as hulk and uselessness of the transformation and 3rd level hult grapple?
Should get crit immunity like Jeff obv
he feels really anti synergistic, same as storm
again number changes
His transform is super not useless
no his transform into banner
change the big ult grapple into just instant kill and its fine
and big hulk is great so long as you dont waste time grappling, as the grapple does less damage than basic attacks as big hulk
I'd give him like three more seconds in ult
im fine with making the grapple instant kill with how long it is
like it should at least take out 250 hp, it's wild
So much better to just Clap on em
90 seconds on his passive is so horrid
It only gets lower if you're already killing their whole team by which point you don't need it
Coolgood
alternatively, i think hulk could work great if again you start as banner with better numbers, but big hulk is permanant till you run out of health
like you just level up and down through hulk states
and hes just nightmare hard to actually put down
maybe give his grenade more knockback on HIMSELF as an escape tool, and thats it
honestly, thats why i think hed work as a tank, just keep his numbers the same except for giving him regen
and he just becomes a really good offtank/divetank like captain america is
the thing is if he was a tank in terms of health or regen his damage would be insane
because how he secretly works against tanks is he shreads tanks when allowed to
off tank, so not as tough as like , hulk
if you make wovlerin etoo tanky you can cause another issue that is the thing
well yeah, but the same by boosting his damage
shifting his equivilent health is no better or worse than shifting each attacks dps, it just alters the maths for dps vs survival
one thing that def needs changing is his leap needs to be changed to be less work
he needs a surbality buff but not one that would make him an off tank
healing or self healing or healthpool isnt different in the calculation other than how it makes people think about their gameplan as they play, in terms of damaged recieved vs damage dealt over time
i would agree if we had like, even half as many tanks as dps
or if more popular heroes were in the tank catagory
thats not how balnace works
it has some, but not enough, and tanks are required for how the game is designed even if not in an absolute sense if your team has good enough relative skill
they all seem pretty popular
yeah thats true, but theres still more than 2x as many dps and i play so many games even in comp with no tank unless i go tank
and they have said they will not make roll queue
balacning based on how many of a class exists is not good way to balance
oh, right
thats why my point
is to make him an off tank dps
and either have more catagories, or replace catagories with tags
the balance is lying to people so they pick dps but the team gets a tank
i think tanks just arent as important in rivals compared to overwatch
and instead of a shield he is just dangerous enough to get focus and tank through it
id disagree, otherwise, why have any character other than dps at all
dps with tank like abilities sure
but if tanks arent neccesery, dps get to do more damage and get more divergent but simpler abilities AND are more popular
why not make everyone dps
Tank with dps abilities my beloved, Thor you big beautiful idiot
your ultimate is bad though
but that seems inconsistent with the idea that there shouldnt be more tanks and that tanks arent as neccesery
as
like, if tanks are common enough to be commonly 1 out of 6
venom and strange are strong enoughj on their own they can solo tank really well in an offensie matchup
peni alone can shutdown melee on defense
I still don't understand how Venom gets things done
All he seems to do is move fast and not die
And somehow they end up with 25 kills
I've never felt threatened by a venom they just kind of show up sometimes
honestly i think a lot of it is his ability to pick low health targets
swing up, dive with his ground pound on anyone low
hes a dive tank that can hurt healers that they can't run away from well
You guys see targets with low health? That sounds awesome
Everyone I meet has 5 hp for a fraction of a second before rocketing back to 275
well sure just by watching how people take damage
and if you are in the air his dive is REALLY FAST
and knocks up
so it breaks lock on heals
like, you might want to dive at someone who is at full health because in 1 second you can see they will be at half health for a couple of seconds before they get healed
Maybe just cause I play Rocket if I'm healing
because hawkeye is aiming at them
I can just sort of leave
Or fill him with bullets
and can just go invisible into blind
groot is the other tank i think can solo tank well
if its a map with a lot of places he can just wall up
Groot mains frighten me
the main trick with groot seems to be yelling at your team to stand near your healing walls lmao
i hope we get more "emplacement" heroes honestly
either turret or wall or creep or something else
The walls… heal…
its my favourite playstyle as an old engi main
What?
i don't think adding another wall would be good just cause groot has so many it would get bothersome
if you are near a wall and damage and enemy, you and nearby allies get minor bonus health that is effectivly healling irc
its minor but with both small walls up and multiple people in the bubble range it has a surprising impact
Oh definitely, very funny
here, the awakened is a bonus when you are nearby
ah lmao i may have been wrong and it only heals root
groot
lmao
If they suck it up and hire James Spader to do all the lines.
nope i was right
heals nearby allies to, 40 per second up to 250 BONUS HEALTH
it does SO MUCH for his usefullness
lmao
ironically ive seen a lot of ironmans do surprisingly well playing low to the ground
Yeah it’s a good strategy
no one expects an ironman behind a strange/magneto shield until he can hold a boosted unibeam on them till they die without worrying about getting headshot by a helen keller across the map
groots big wall also does 120 damage per sec aoe
if you can get the awakened bonus by hitting an enemy while standing next to it
its teamfight ending
Hulk you may end up doing permanent damage to my spacebar
i really hope they arewnt gonna be one of those devs that wait until the season is over for nerfs
I started today and I'm climbing out of the random pit of randos by uhhh
playing Punisher 76 and just holding M1 on people
I have been playing Jeff because Jeff, but my teammates are not winning games
I'm not at the level where anyone is doing anything together
so I have no choice but to M1
also feel free to add me
Don't forget to swap weapons to m1 when they get close
yes, essentially strategy
also torb turret whenever people are being dumb
or bastion
idk
Bastion, Namor gets baby torb turrets in the form of some octopi
nice
They are shockingly effective
I will be staying away from comp but this is a nice competant hero shooter that hasn't shat the bed yet
I wish I could turn off skins, I barely know any marvel people, so I often only know who it is once I'm dead lmao
That and getting used to what everyone screams for an ultimate
I still can barely tell Friendly Jeff from Evil Jeff
i don't see to many skins minus the ones in the pass
The only particularly samey shapes are like.. Mantis and Luna, but they do just about the same things anyhow so it's not a big trouble
Forever thankful to Hela's Big Stupid Crown to let me know where she is
I had a funny moment where I heard Thor's ult cry and I had to tab and was like 'do we have a thor'
then I died
we did not have a thor
Thor Ult Kills aren't common, let him have it
I had a game last night where our Jeff didn't know how to spit out his allies. So he swallowed me along with some of the other team and suicided off a cliff
Even when Jeff is friendly he's evil
this might have been me
though in my case I fell and hit the killbox before I thought it would happen
is it just me or supports the most toxic
Instalock DPS trend rough, but a dps forced to heal is full of bile and hate
no i mean like support mains
honestly voice chat has been quiet
It has but the few times it isn't, its bad
