#LANCER One-Shot Module Jam

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honest pawn
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My crazy ass is gonna try for a trifold pamphlet

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Gonna try to learn Affinity hahaha

onyx fractal
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Hell yeah

honest pawn
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    1. Cover + Introduction
        a. Coordination clock: Reinforcements able to be mustered
        b. Everything is Risky and Difficult (baseline)
        c. Sacrifice Structure, Stress, Equipment, CP, and Overcharge to stack the odds and achieve success
    2. "The Best Defense is a Timeless Track"
        a. How it helps in narrative
            i. reroll when acting in your song’s ideals
        b. How it helps in combat
            i. Effect triggers when playing the objective 
    3. Exploration
        a. Location map
        b. Key (6 locations)
        c. Random Encounters
    4. Combat
        a. Combat map
        b. Enemy Opfor
        c. Encounter details
    5. Conclusion
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Just visualizing in my head how these are all gonna fit

onyx fractal
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song?

honest pawn
onyx fractal
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Oh sick

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Shooting for a trifold is a great goal

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I sort of fear that I won't have time to make a trifold and will only have time to make something a few pages long instead

honest pawn
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When you act in accordance to the song’s ideal, you get a bonus in narrative

When you do some objective action in combat, play your hype track and get a bonus (always clear Jammed)

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And yeah not sure if it’ll all fit but it’s something I wanna try and do to break out of the typical layout

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I’ve said it before but even as the creator of a lancer rpg template I wanna see more Stolen Crown-like attempts at layout in the Lancer sphere

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I’m glad my template has made things accessible (as intended) but I believe it’s time to go beyond

onyx fractal
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agreed

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Another potential blog topic: pricing

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Currently pondering $2 with some number of community copies

honest pawn
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Here’s the post:

what do you think your thing is worth?

Now double it

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Triple it

onyx fractal
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heh

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We'll see once it gets done

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If I go all out with custom art I may bump it up

honest pawn
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If you think it’s worth nothing, add $1 and then multiply the total by 10

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No one wins the race to the bottom

onyx fractal
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The debate is really about whether it should be free/pwyw or not

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I think it has value and I think it's fair to ask for compensation

honest pawn
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The answer is neither imo, it should be paid

onyx fractal
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On the other hand, I want it to be accessible

honest pawn
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Community copies make sense for that at least

onyx fractal
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Yeah

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Hence the paid + community copies idea

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People who can pay can self-select

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I've never claimed a community copy, I don't think

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I usually pay

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Maybe I'm weird

honest pawn
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The only reason I made #1254229800952922193 PWYW is because I had zero testing beforehand and wanted to make sure I quickly hit a wide audience for playtesting; even then in retrospect I think I should’ve slapped a minimum price on it

idle cedar
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if you want to get started early, there's a trick (?) that some jammers use
which is to just work on something general that can integrate any theme into it

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and the theme will be abstract...

onyx fractal
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Yeah I saw some very not-abstract theme submissions

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Like "implement this very specific adventure scenario"

honest pawn
idle cedar
honest pawn
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If it works, it works haha

idle cedar
honest pawn
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Yeah I think a good example of an abstract theme is this Mothership Month’s “crime” theme

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So then we get space trucker smugglers, heists, bounty hunters, medical malpractice, murder mysteries…

onyx fractal
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also the One Page Dungeon contest themes

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2023: "And Still They Rise"
2022: "Wonder"

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Are the GALSIM files missions one-shots?

honest pawn
honest pawn
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Lemme check

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Yeah they’re all 3 fights a pop

onyx fractal
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Gotcha

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Somehow I thought Kat had worked on another one-shot after Tombs of Delios but maybe I gaslit myself

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Oh it was Cathedral of the Deadstar which is a full length mission

fierce sedge
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Can't stop folk from starting early, though I did think that part of the point of the game-jam was to make something within the time of the two weeks.

hollow turtle
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I think most of the early stuff is just prep so we can just drop all the ingredients into the pot and start stirring when the timer goes off

idle cedar
hollow turtle
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I think thats one thing I'm kinda nervous about.

I'd love to charge a couple bucks for my stuff but I have no clue how to

idle cedar
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common issues are:

  • dividing up revenue
  • judge needs to be able to go through them without paying for every single submission
  • setting up payment stuff
hollow turtle
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So i can shove some back to my artist and anyone who contributed

idle cedar
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none of these are like, insurmountable
but a lot of jams just avoid the issue entirely

hollow turtle
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Ive never sold stuff online before

idle cedar
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you can make it free, not a problem at all

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or if you know anyone else in the team who's monetized stuff before, they can make the listing too

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you can still be listed in creators section

hollow turtle
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I'd like to learn tho

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Not foist it off on someone else

onyx fractal
hollow turtle
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Fair

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scribbles notes

idle cedar
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pricing thoughts: maybe pwyw for the first week or so then go to paid+community copies

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idk actually

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anyway, I'm excited about the theme too

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would love to close the poll and just start picking out top 10 or 15 or whatever

onyx fractal
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Yeah I was considering limited-time PWYW, though initial launch and/or conclusion of jam are going to be the time it has the most eyes on it

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Maybe PWYW until the jam is over

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Another blog topic: playtesting!

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I have two different places I can run IRL playtests

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Might also try running some online

hollow turtle
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Pwyw for the first (X) amount of days/weeks/length of jam does sound really cool

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I think i want to run my one shot again but i wanna see if I can fit a bit of narrative play in there

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See how it feels with the two combats

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Get a better grasp on timing and what I can make smoother

honest pawn
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Drivethru lets you set up royalty percentages automatically

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Itch, it’s gonna have to go through someone first, unless you pay a lump sum to contributors instead

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So yeah, now that you mention it, going Free on group projects is totally valid for itch reasons

hollow turtle
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Having silly thoughts about design and this is probably one of those 'well duh' but the level at which you choose is likely to have a significant impact on the time it will take to play, and i don't believe it'd be linear.

More bell curve with LL0 and LL12s one shots taking the longest for possibly different and maybe obvious reasons

steel fog
honest pawn
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One shot where if you take too long you must sacrifice a weapon/system at the end of your turn

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For the LL12s with too much to use

hollow turtle
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My LL12 one shot was full of people who never went that far in the system, and while they knew the rules pretty well, they weren't used to the supercharged nature of anything, though quickly caught onto their own mechs and what tricks they could pull

idle cedar
# steel fog ...pause, for layout? Teach me your ways

set page size to 8.5x11 inches (or whatever A4 size is)
then move shapes and text boxes around

You can also set up page templates and create new slides using the templates, or just copy/paste
you can also set up automatic page numbers

#1244874544859058227 message this was made in google slides

hollow turtle
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It took time

honest pawn
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PowerPoint and its equivalents are pretty damn good at adding layout guides for lining shit up properly yeah

steel fog
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That's it????

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Okay it's just scuff and not wizardry alright

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If that truly is just it I might genuinely do that lmao

idle cedar
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it's a bit scuff yeah

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but it's pretty easy if you're new to layout stuff

honest pawn
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If it works, it works

idle cedar
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same with image editing
ppt is a great image editing tool for beginners

hollow turtle
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I need to figure out what I'm gonna use for final format and its probably just gonna be google docs cuz free

steel fog
idle cedar
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filter? create a square with 30% transparency and color of your choice, put it on top of the image, done
crop? natively supported
shaped crop? overlay a bunch of shapes

fierce sedge
idle cedar
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if you're trying to make tokens, you can genuinely do it through ppt

fierce sedge
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If you make something for an advanced group, you can count on them taking shorter turns generally.

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If not, eh

fierce sedge
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These two were made in PowerPoint for example

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hollow turtle
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I explained what i ran into with my LL12 one shot above. People knew the rules but were definitely tripping over the complexity they can pull off

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By the end they were smoovin

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But there were growing pains

fierce sedge
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Tbc when I say level of experience I do also there assume level of experience at the level they're playing at too.

hollow turtle
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While LL0 is likely to take time simply because newbies are more likely to pick it up because its the starting Lancer level.

Its a very... simple thought i was rotating in my brain

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Thought it might be a good reminder to the possible participants to put out there

honest pawn
pastel thunder
hollow turtle
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Yo Affinity is only $70

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Thats whack, i want it

idle cedar
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I could never put "only" and "$70" next to each other

hollow turtle
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looks at adobe

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Comparing it to that rn so

idle cedar
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how much is adobe uh, stuff

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I heard bad things about their license

honest pawn
hollow turtle
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Adobe are assholes but i love photoshop too much so I sold my soul to them

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Adobe is expensive tho

honest pawn
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Like there’s at least 1 time per year Affinity suite goes on sale

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But i dunno if it’ll do so again before the Jam

idle cedar
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we do have some time before the jam if you wanna wait for sale

hollow turtle
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Yeah I'm not rushing

honest pawn
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Granted that’s time that could be spent learning the software but that’s up to you

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I don’t know your life, live your dreams

hollow turtle
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But it is nice to see '70 one time payment' not '270 a year' or whatever adobes doing

fierce sedge
hollow turtle
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I was generalizing.

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Just felt important to share

idle cedar
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270/yr?? wild that they get any business

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is that for like entire suite at least

fierce sedge
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Platform economics~

honest pawn
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You can get the full suite as a bundle at a discount of $30/month or $360 a year

idle cedar
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idk how much I would have to make before I'm comfortable paying $276 for something I can get for $0 with GIMP
I'm sure it has more features (like circle tool lol) or whatever but like, damn

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so goofy that gimp doesn't come with circle tool

hollow turtle
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I was taught on photoshop and it just works really well so i don't wanna leave it

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Toxic relationship

onyx fractal
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I'm kind of in the same boat

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Photoshop is the only real reason I have any desire to stay with adobe

hollow turtle
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I do use inkscape for vector stuff!

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That works really well but it definitely grinds my Illistrator gears occasionally

honest pawn
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Inkscape has been helpful for the handful of vector graphics I’ve made/edited

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I did make recreations of the Mech System headers with Inkscape ( like protocols and quick techs) but couldn’t get them to play nice in Word

hollow turtle
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Word is touchy with way too much stuff ngl

honest pawn
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God don’t I fucking know it lol

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Just when I think I have a handle on it, it spontaneously treats my footers as restarting and then hides the “first page footer” on page 5

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Don’t ask me to explain how Word’s footers work, it’s dark magic

idle cedar
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i hate word i hate word i ha

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i would rather write in html and css than write in word if I have to do anything fancier than markdown

naive hollow
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Oh sure, go ahead

idle cedar
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sharing analytics
kind of surprised that so many participants are from itch and not this discord

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or at least, it got discovered from itch

honest pawn
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idk how it counts, if at all, but it won't display as discord at least

idle cedar
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discord is indeed not here

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I didn't advertise it anywhere out of here so it's cool to see all these sources
(though advertising in announcement is a pretty big deal)

unborn bridge
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Hm, I'm still looking for a group but I don't know what i can specialise in? Writer i guess? I also need to work on my artwork sign

frail moon
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I think I'm going to aim for a like LL3 or 4 thing for 3-5 players and then after I make it Test it on my local gaggle of idiots I run games for on tuesdays. One fight, Narrative on both sides of it... maybe.

been a blast reading through all the bits since I last checked in though.

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Also deliberately not looking into what others have submitted for Themes, I threw in Labyrinth and that's enough for me to know as it is lmao. Hopefully I remember to vote when the time comes!

sweet gale
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I'm starting to have some ideas of what I could do, but it's currently theme waiting room o'clock for me

honest pawn
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Imagining us all listening to the Mii designer music right now in the waiting room

fierce sedge
idle cedar
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announcing next jam to begin in one year and not announcing theme to torture everyone for the whole year this time
-# joking ofc

thorny sand
onyx fractal
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I am okay with it :) I have plenty of things to do in the meantime

steel fog
idle cedar
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honestly... if it gets popular enough we could make this a "one mission jam" and make it one month long or so too

thorny sand
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one mission feels like a really good size for a lower effort game jam since that allows for the full use of lancers systems without rushing or compromising too much for the sake of time

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making a one-shot in the lancer system is a bit of a challenge in itself, has been for me at least

steel fog
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I'd certainly sign up for that too!

onyx fractal
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I'm feeling the carrion call of Typst for layout

honest pawn
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Carrion Call or Clarion Call? The former's implications are... unpleasant lol

fierce sedge
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Could also be carry-on, if he's going on a trip.

onyx fractal
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I don't even know

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Maybe siren song

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Playing with layout and typography

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I need to fix the smallcaps tracking

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I'm learning that typography might be the most important part of layout

honest pawn
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yeah that's fair, it determines readability and how much space a word will take on the page

fierce sedge
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It is, and is a fun skill to learn.

onyx fractal
idle cedar
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kind of a hater about it haha

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idk maybe if you have the money it's worth spending the money on fonts

onyx fractal
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Heh true

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Google Fonts has a pretty large library at this point

idle cedar
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oh was this written before that

onyx fractal
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I don't know

idle cedar
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I was wondering why they're hating on all those free fonts

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idk I'm a big roboto fan

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I'm sure there's good layout tips in there though, will check out some other time

onyx fractal
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I wouldn't read it as hating on free fonts as much as encouraging you not to get comfortable with what you already have just because you already have it

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And yeah, I suggest starting at the beginning, or the summary of key rules at least

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The site is not about choosing a font as much as it's about how to use typography effectively

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Sizing, spacing, layout, etc.

unborn bridge
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Cool stuff

onyx fractal
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Oh hey, all Affinity products are 50% off right now for Black Friday

hollow turtle
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LETS GO

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Oh yeah

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Thats a good price

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$35

honest pawn
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There we go, knew a sale was imminent

idle cedar
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prophetic

hollow turtle
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What other cool sales can you speak into existence 🤔

honest pawn
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FoundryVTT is likely gonna go on sale if it hasn’t already

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But yeah it’s Black Friday season, keep an eye out

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Itch has its autumn sale coming up in <7 days, maybe there will be some cool assets or tools to pickup

onyx fractal
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Maybe DungeonDraft? CartographyAssets?

honest pawn
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It’s Black Friday season, it’s worth waiting a bit

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Don’t need to be an Oracle to know that

hollow turtle
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No Valk, you're ruining the mystery of your powers

idle cedar
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Valk is ATHENA class allegation

onyx fractal
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hurled a few more ideas on the pile

idle cedar
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I've begun to file through the ideas

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and group them together for poll

potent axle
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I believe Foundry is just doing 20% off (also their 5e/2e modules).

hollow turtle
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Affinity acquired

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Can't wait to mess around with it

onyx fractal
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You do have to downloads Alegreya/AlegreyaSC/Cooper Hewitt fonts though

sweet gale
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Are there any options for these creative suites that work on Linux? bogotterLurk

onyx fractal
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I wanna say Affinity works under WINE?

sweet gale
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Otherwise I'm gonna be going wallflower act 3 and this baby is gonna be a loose ODT file

onyx fractal
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I guess Scribus? There's also LaTeX and Typst which are more like markup

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There's always Valk's word/gdoc template too

sweet gale
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I'm pretty sure I've got that already, so I guess that solves that!

onyx fractal
crystal wigeon
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Cool blog BTW. Mirrors a lot of my own thoughts on the expected scale and content of a Lancer session struggling with the confines of a 1-shot, especially with new players. My table frequently took an hour per combat round when starting so if you include any non-trivial combat that's more than the whole session time lol.

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Tools to speed up turns as well as your idea of prebuilt characters might alleviate this somewhat

onyx fractal
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Indeed. Advice on pacing would probably be warranted

crystal wigeon
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GM side especially, since that'd speed up half the turns or more

idle cedar
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sample turns for NPCs is great for new GMs

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same with PCs really

unborn bridge
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Hm, a LL12 oneshot would be funny. Let's go full out babyyyy

idle cedar
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lmao

onyx fractal
idle cedar
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man

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I might pay for retrograde again

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actually I bought stuff already

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I should just learn to do fancier stuff on gimp

onyx fractal
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That's from one of the community packs

idle cedar
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I can only do basics rn

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oh TRUE

onyx fractal
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I wouldn't use it in a real publication

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Because it's community

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I would either use a vanilla retrograde export or commission custom tokens

idle cedar
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oh are those licensed

onyx fractal
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I dont know but since they are community-contributed I wouldn't want to make money off them without the author's permission

idle cedar
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yeah fair

onyx fractal
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Which is to say, I don't consider the chop shop to fall under retrograde's "yeah sure go for it" license

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i just grabbed them as placeholders because I had the idea and wanted to see if I could do it in typst

idle cedar
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yeah that makes sense

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thought on alternating which side the picture is in

onyx fractal
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reading my fucken mind

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idle cedar
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LOL

onyx fractal
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solid case for justified text

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FUCK i misspelled charge

idle cedar
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oh yeah justified text looks really nice

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I've noticed some really bad justified text before so I avoided it a lot

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but I might try it in the future

onyx fractal
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I wonder how accessible that NPC format is

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e.g. Template Class (Optional 1, Optional 2)

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Will a new GM recognize that and understand what that means

unborn bridge
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You could mention about the format if you think the idea won't deliver

left mirage
onyx fractal
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Really, the more complicated part is how I modify these based on player count

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e.g. suppose I want to add the Veteran template to Kunai for 4 players and an extra optional to Cleaver with 5 players

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etc

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those are the problems we solve here in layout land!

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information conveyance

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We cookin

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idle cedar
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it would be nice to be able to put the statblock directly in here but

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hmm I wonder what the best alternative here would be

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fillable worksheet

onyx fractal
idle cedar
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yaa

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I'm just thinking about it more now

onyx fractal
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fucking veteran template

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unborn bridge
# onyx fractal fucking veteran template

You could do a format similar to this

3 Players
Corvo

Ace
Kunai
Priest
Cleaver
Bastion

5 Players

  • Veteran Template (Priest)
  • Deathcounter (Bastion)

Not the best but I hope it gets the idea across?

idle cedar
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i think the standard formatting is pretty good yeah

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or maybe list the entire opfor for each player count maybe

spare jolt
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Does retrograde allow people to use stuff designed with it for modules?

idle cedar
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yes

idle cedar
spare jolt
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Oh, cool. I can't art, so that will be nice.

onyx fractal
left mirage
steel fog
left mirage
# steel fog What are scope buckets?

whoops there was supposed to be a slash in there
scope is your deliverables, things you are specifically trying to accomplish with the project and a kind of "good enough" benchmark

buckets are for organizing modular/atomized content according to relevance

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You can think of dungeon encounter tables, outdoor encounter tables, and city encounter tables as being different buckets

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alternatively you can imagine encounters relevant to a specific room, a more broad location, a story arc/thread, or even something as general as the story itself as being different buckets

left mirage
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Had a great conversation with my first teammate so far

reminder folks, your best shot at releasing a complete work of art is working together!

onyx fractal
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Just completed laying out an existing lancer module as a trifold pamphlet as a learning exercise for Typst, went pretty well

night rivet
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What's Typst?

onyx fractal
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It's a markup language that's like if Markdown and LaTeX had a baby

south fern
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that sounds.. pretty good, damn. gonna have to check it out. does it have a reasonable package manager?

onyx fractal
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I haven't needed to use a third party plugin for it yet so I don't know

night rivet
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Markup language?

humble dome
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I'm new to Lancer (currently playing as a PC), and have yet to GM anything, but this has the gears in my brain turning, so I might submit something 👀

onyx fractal
onyx fractal
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Style question: when referencing something in the Lancer book (e.g. page number for a rule), which format is correct:

  • Lancer, p. 69
  • Lancer Core Rulebook, p. 69
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Or something else

honest pawn
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Or, do the latter once, then do the former

onyx fractal
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I think I'm worried that someone will pick up the Lancer free rules and assume it's sufficient

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I don't know if saying "Lancer Core Rules" fixes that though

honest pawn
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The free rulebook has the benefit of having the same page count up to the GM section, too, so if someone realizes “my book doesn’t go that high” they might realize they have the wrong book open. Mentioning it upfront will clear the air on the matter though

onyx fractal
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It's an awkward place because that means every module needs to state that up front since any module could be a GMs first module

fierce sedge
onyx fractal
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Ah that's a good reference

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Also "Lancer Core Rulebook"

fierce sedge
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But yeah there's also a limit to what you can do in terms of instructions.

honest pawn
onyx fractal
honest pawn
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Example from wallflower:

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They do the same for Sitreps, which are notably in the GM-only section of the core book

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Plus, lower word count good for layout

onyx fractal
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Indeed

onyx fractal
honest pawn
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You do you; I don’t think you need do that and am unsure of the clarity it gives but maybe it’ll help 🤷

onyx fractal
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Just brainstorming

onyx fractal
honest pawn
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I think this is a good example to set for folks: oneshot makers don’t need to be beholden to the “lancer standard template” and can, in fact, make something that can fit on a page or two

hollow turtle
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We need more weirdly formatted stuff

honest pawn
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this legitimately gives me hope in making my own pamphlet for the jam (or whatever I make alongside the jam lol)

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@onyx fractal what font choices did you use?

onyx fractal
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Barlow for body text, Barlow Condensed for subheaders, and Orbitron for the main title

hollow turtle
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Orbitron my beloved

onyx fractal
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Spent quite a while looking at font options. I think I'm settled on Barlow for body text but the rest are up for grabs. I think my H1 font will ultimately depend on what the module's theme is

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Jost, Fira Sans, Noto Sans, Roboto, Inter, PT Sans, and Strait were all options I looked at

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I like Barlow because it sort of gestures at DIN fonts without being full DIN

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And in general I think I like sans serif for sci-fi stuff

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Serif isn't out of the question I guess

onyx fractal
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Put together some thoughts on my experience so far using Typst for TTRPG layout https://gordianblade.com/first-impressions-of-typst-a-promising-new-layout-tool/

Gordian Blade
First Impressions of Typst, a Promising New Layout Tool

In my ongoing "design diary" of sorts for the Lancer One-Shot Jam coming up next month, I took a few days to explore the possibilities of laying out a TTRPG module using Typst, a relatively new markup language and tool for laying out print media. I only became aware of

honest pawn
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Hell yeah, good to know there’s free layout options out there like this

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Good to see this stuff documented

onyx fractal
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It's surprisingly powerful

honest pawn
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The GitHub aspect is honestly very tempting

onyx fractal
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Just not intuitive for most people

honest pawn
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Like at the moment I have like, files for each minor version update on a lot of my stuff

onyx fractal
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project_v2_final_final_FINAL.pdf

honest pawn
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I have a much better naming convention for my stuff but yes it’s very real

south fern
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using SemVer for your text files

honest pawn
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You joke but that’s literally what I’m doing

idle cedar
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that's for version 0.1.0 and stuff right

honest pawn
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Yes

idle cedar
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isn't that a fairly common practice

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i guess it isn't

south fern
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not for human-readable documents

idle cedar
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like the lancer pdf has a version system like that right

south fern
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oh yea true. maybe it's more common than i think

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let me rephrase: It's not common enough that it stops people from doing project_v2_final_Final.pdf

idle cedar
honest pawn
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LCPs use semver

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I use it because it keeps my head on straight

south fern
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there's also Calendar versioning, which probably suits text documents more, unless you're actually tracking major, minor and patch within your doc

honest pawn
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I recently started tracking semver in my docs yeah

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Calendar can work but it’s more numbers lol

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I guess “October 2024 release” works

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Or “2024-10-22 version”

south fern
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submitting RFC's for my english essay

idle cedar
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I'm going back to college soon and i might start using git to version control my essays

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but unironically

honest pawn
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I like the Semver because I don’t need to worry about dates overlapping tbh

south fern
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no yea absolutely do it. it's the fucking best

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that's also why i like markdown so much

honest pawn
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“Oops I need to patch this. New patch version release”

idle cedar
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the only bad thing is that professors tend to only accept docx files

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i don't think sending a essay.md will go well lol

south fern
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that might be where you export to pdf using Typst XD

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actually there's a bunch of md -> pdf renderers out there

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pandoc for example

idle cedar
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lmao i was just gonna use Google docs to do it but that's so much extra, i love it

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committing to the bit of hating word

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i should check out typst though

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it sounds more sensible than writing in html for the bit

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markdown is nice but it's hard to do fancy stuff

onyx fractal
idle cedar
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I'm thinking about doing the oneshot as like, the second to last combat of the mission in terms of fictional positioning
earlier combats have goes wrong somehow, and now you've regrouped and you have limited resources

mainly, the idea is to let the players try out the repair mechanics

honest pawn
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Makes sense!

idle cedar
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maybe like:

  1. set up situation -- the party has been separated, and need to regroup. some narrative checks to get them back together
  2. get together, do basic maintenance and other character interactions
  3. combat (with a weapon, system, and/or structure/stress down)
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of course it depends on the theme but i feel like this is general enough to work with anything

honest pawn
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Hm also, maybe consider starting structure and stress at 2, with 1 mount destroyed and X SP in systems destroyed

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Them repairing from there

idle cedar
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I'm thinking about doing premade sheet with damages

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if they have high armor, they'd have less structure damage. if they're an everest variant, they might have more structure damage (bc it can be repaired more cheaply)

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maybe even combine the character traits into what kind of damage they took

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that would be really fun to work on

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nucav sherman pilot taking like half hp as damage with no structure damage but also they took 2 stress

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maybe even 3, I'll have to fidget around with it

buoyant snow
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I forget, but was there a prize for best oneshot?

fierce sedge
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No?

unborn bridge
buoyant snow
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works for me

fierce sedge
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And I'd at least personally protest against having one; folk can sort out which modules they enjoy by themselves, and I feel it's better to encourage folk to generally create than to have them fret over a prize.

idle cedar
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couple reasons for no award

  1. avoid scope creeping myself (I don't want to judge all entries, and I don't want to find better qualified judges who are also willing)
  2. I don't wanna pay up
  3. People might try to pull some weird shit if there's an extrinsic reward
spare jolt
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I think there's also an element of like...we don't really want this to become too competitive.

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This is for people to work together and have fun.

idle cedar
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I might consider trying to get people to be guest judges for next one but I'm not gonna think that far ahead

spare jolt
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Not stress about 'bob has cool art and I don't, he'll outdo me'

idle cedar
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bunch of public domain art

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https://openclipart.org/
this is a completely different style of art, if you want to evoke certain vibes
who's seen clip arts being used unironically in the last like, 10 years or so idk

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I'll post these in the forum probably

honest pawn
idle shale
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Oooooh this is useful

idle cedar
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apparently the losm jam shows up when you search RPG Maker Jam which uhhhh idk

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it is the most popular in the category? xd

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idk how to make it not show up there

honest pawn
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hm, is it like, nominated? Or based on tags?

idle cedar
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I think it's just keyword based

hollow turtle
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Afraid randos are gonna join or something?

idle cedar
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they can, i just don't want them to be misled

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kind of an asshole move to try to increase reach and show up where it shouldn't imo

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also I'm pretty sure some people joined through the jam page and not the discord

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i kinda wanna put it on reddit, might make a throwaway acct to advertise bc i don't wanna get back on reddit lol

hollow turtle
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Well unless you mistag it

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I doubt you can change it showing up where it is

fierce sedge
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Doesn't seem like a particularly big issue in the end.

hollow turtle
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If you go on the Jam page you can see every Jam ever so like unless you take it off itch and run it purely here or whatever it just kinda is part of the deal of running a jam via itch

hollow turtle
idle cedar
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(Unofficial) Theme Candidates

based on theme suggestions, compiled, with some blurb for your inspirations

  • Secrets: Secret superweapon? A noble's shameful secret? Trade secrets of a corpro state? Secret police? Do the pilots carry a secret? Vaults or labyrinths that hold long lost secrets? Will you uncover secrets, or protect them?
  • Crime: petty theft, grand theft mech, murder, fraud, embezzlement, conspiracy, or pillar violation? Did you choose a life of crime, or maybe your existence made a crime? Or are you perhaps here to stop a crime?
  • Revolution: radical change in world order, or revolution around the local star? What has brought about this change, and how are people reacting? What side are your characters on, and what are their fates?
  • Leviathan: interstellar superpowers, local tyrants, or perhaps gentle giants who roam the stars? What happens when two leviathans clash? What happens when one falls? What can the little ones do in the presence of these leviathans?
  • Two Worlds: two different worlds, how do they interact? Are they in conflict? Are the members in conflict? What stands between the two worlds? Perhaps a new (or "new") world is discovered, and people are ready to colonize it? Is the conflict inevitable?
  • Train: a train murder mystery, or mercenaries tasked with protecting cargo? Perhaps new recruits being trained, or fresh out of raining? Does everything go as planned, or does something go wrong?
  • Reclamation: something was ravaged, but now is being reclaimed. What was destroyed, and what remains? Who are the reclaimers? Nature? Survivors? Opportunists? What is being reclaimed? A planet, assets, resources, or maybe a word?
  • Power: there are many kinds of power. Political, electrical, or even brute force. What kind of power takes center stage here? Who wields the power, and who challenges them?
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i haven't gone through all of them yet, but these should cover almost all the submissions

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As stated previously, poll will be closed on December 8th and new poll will be posted with the candidates to see which ones are the most desired!

hollow turtle
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Thats a cool set of themes

idle cedar
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There are.... 54 themes and I've condensed it down to 8
There's a couple cool themes like Elderly or Scarcity or Colony Ship that i also want to include, but I wanna wait a little first to see if I can group it with something else
the final poll will probably be 10 options

hollow turtle
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10 sounds like a good number of themes to choose from

idle cedar
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now i have to think about which voting method i want to use
I'll probably go with a simple approval voting bc it's easiest to understand and also easiest to count

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rank choice voting and streaming which ones are falling off would be fun though

south fern
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swiss bracket XD

idle cedar
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i do want to stream on stage if possible, i should coordinate with the mods

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do we even have a stage channel actually

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oh we don't i think

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hmm I know what i absolutely don't want is to set up twitch for this lmao

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low key thought about getting a pngtuber avatar commissioned too but
man idk that sounds like a bit much
maybe for jam 2 if it happens

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I'm getting too excited, need to calm down

fierce sedge
fierce sedge
idle cedar
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mmm tea

hollow turtle
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Lancer themed png tuber

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Lets go

idle cedar
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i was literally going to use it for this one thing lmao

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maybe one of those "100 scifi character profiles" and have it light up when i talk

tepid pecan
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A stream for voting????

idle cedar
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oh god

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i mean the jam start time is pretty convenient for Americans, maybe also europeans. I know Australians and Asians will have to suffer if they wanna be there

tepid pecan
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No I'm just confused what a stream would be for

idle cedar
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i wonder if i can piggyback off another streamer to do the announcement stream

idle cedar
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but it's a very "this could have been an email"

tepid pecan
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I guess I'm still just co

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Yeah

idle cedar
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idk it just sounds fun to do mostly

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but something something scope creep

crystal wigeon
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I think allowing yourself to be a little frivolous is also healthy though

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Like sure it might be silly but life is better with a little silliness

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as long as the consequence isn't too high

idle cedar
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consequence is I'll probably have to take a break after the announcement bc I might be tired and i lose precious hours off the two week long jam

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yeah it's very low stakes

fierce sedge
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If you want to make a stream, make a stream. The worst that can come from it is that you streamed on twitch.

humble dome
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I'm thinking of doing a double combat one shot module, just a short narrative followed by two back to back combats. Figuring out what those are though is my struggle. First though is maybe a Gauntlet into a Holdout, or something else, or a Scout into a Holdout.

idle cedar
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Fitting two combats is probably pretty tough for a oneshot! Would love to see how you figure out that solution.

honest pawn
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Imo it’s doable if the fights are short

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Like, do not target 8 rounds, target 3-4

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It’ll likely be Very Combat A Lot but maybe that’s what some folks want

hollow turtle
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I've done it with my LL12 Oone shot!

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I think it helps if you have one if the combats be a 'short' one

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Like extraction

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Something that is easy to win (relatively speaking) but can be used to burn resources for the next part of combat

idle cedar
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I've considered two alternative combats but i think that's just scope creep
linearity is fine, i just wanna do one cool thing and the rest can be pretty standard, just for scope purposes

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and spend some time fiddling with public domain art

onyx fractal
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Wallflower has that one pair of combats that are like two half-combats

tepid pecan
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its why our idea for "alternative fights" was just a list of npcs or modfiers you can swap in if you wnat to run it again

pastel thunder
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(the players lost the second combat, because both combats were very mean)

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we'd offer to post it but really its just two sitrep pages and not much insight

honest pawn
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We live in a world where there are only 2 published lancer one shots

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Examples good

pastel thunder
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its an LL6+ oneshot about killing a branch of HA that doesnt exist in base lancer setting, because punching bad guys is awesome

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a little bit more context:
the second combat is optional, its one of those things where the players look at a scene and get to determine whether or not they leave or go "while in rome!"

sweet gale
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We gave a beyblade tournament where each theme gets assigned a bey and then we let them rip give Power to the WR9-60B because it's my favorite and I want it to win

sweet gale
honest pawn
sweet gale
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Huh. I could have sworn it was.

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Or was a "could be a oneshot but had extras" or something like that

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Though I guess that makes it not a oneshot

left mirage
left mirage
crystal wigeon
delicate geode
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listen i am just gonna make a one shot that feels like it could have been made in the 70's for a student-run zine and no one will stop me

idle cedar
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I love the zine style would love to see them

idle cedar
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new players should be able to handle LL3 if the build is prepared for them and it's not built with really weird synergy in mind right

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i feel like it's ok

pastel thunder
idle cedar
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I'm thinking about providing pre built character sheets

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and want to aim for LL3

pastel thunder
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oh?

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we feel most of the builds happen before the session occurs

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normally youre like
"hey i wanna run a one shot in (a couple of days)"
and people build a build for it yk

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pre built character sheets cant hurt tho

idle cedar
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yeah that's common but i wanted to make it a bit more beginner friendly and also like, have a cohesive unit of characters

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like how they all know each other and have relationships and stuff, using character flags

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hmm i can't find any doc on what flags are

pastel thunder
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ehhhhhh
we're hesitant to mention scope creep but wish to anyway; most one shots are one shots, and traditionally have a combat focus- making something like that feel extra to someone just making a combat one shot for the sake of making a oneshot they like yk

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if you wanna make it for yours, thats epic, but we would like that clarification since having it be universal puts us off from it yk

idle cedar
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but basically they're a way to signal to other players like "hey this is something my character cares about, engage with me along these lines" which makes it a bit easier to work with than bond, which is better for long term play

pastel thunder
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and thats just not fun for us

idle cedar
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flags are a bit shallow for long term, though it's a good step off point

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I do wanna have like, 30-40% of the session be narrative ideally

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50/50 is probably hard to reach

pastel thunder
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we'd like to ask again if this is for your goals or something you expect for the entire jam

idle cedar
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no no this is for me

pastel thunder
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okay

idle cedar
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as a participant

pastel thunder
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very important distinction hahaha

idle cedar
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requirements will remain very broad

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just broadly "try to fit it in a single session, whatever that means for your team"

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I think that's what i wrote down anyway

pastel thunder
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we think if you can make a one shot with 40% narrative+pull ins/connections to each member with premade character sheets

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thats going to be FUCKING AWESOME

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(genuine^^)

idle cedar
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planned structure is:

  • you're already in the middle of a mission
  • you've all taken some serious damage, and are scattered
  • You need to regroup first, then do some repairs
  • combat
  • hopefully some narrative to tie it off
pastel thunder
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clock, combat, narrative

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sweet as hell

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thats how we normally run our sessions, actually-

idle cedar
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i want to sell the vibes that my oneshot isn't the entire mission, but a part of the mission

honest pawn
pastel thunder
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LL3 prebuilt could be a fun thing for core bonus'

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introduces alot of theoretically fun prebuilt mechs to be given

idle cedar
honest pawn
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if you make the CB easy to remember, then it's fine

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so like, Improved Armament good, OpCal bad

pastel thunder
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op cal, auto stab, upmounting, etc etc gms has some easy core bonus' to remember and we dont have many "new player" modules that introduce you to core bonus' really

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(we'd say opcal is great for learning)

idle cedar
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ooh yeah that's true, not all CBs are the same

honest pawn
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The passive CBs would be better for like, new-player and convention play imo

pastel thunder
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(1d6 1/round gained, not much lost from remembering its 1/round)

idle cedar
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so something like +2 evasion is also solid

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cool yeah i think I'll aim for 3
I mostly want to mix two licenses without being overloading

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and let different frames shine

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idk how many characters would make sense but I'll start working details after getting themes

idle cedar
pastel thunder
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CRIME our FAVORITE theme!!

idle cedar
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crime is nicely broad

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can be any sort of crime, and you can have a lot of different relationships to crime too

pastel thunder
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if it gets picked we are TOATS doing a train-hiest one shot

idle cedar
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also, war crime is a crime
if you wanna try to bring in a war criminal for being shitty...

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train heist was one of the suggestions too

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Train is another theme that you could use for it

pastel thunder
pastel thunder
idle cedar
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you don't have to be the ones doing the crime, though you totally can be

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tbh you can probably do train heist in like 80% of the themes

pastel thunder
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(FUCK YEAH)

idle cedar
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it's a pretty generic premise, like what's being stolen and why is all details that can change

tepid pecan
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oh i missed out a lot on stuff, but i think that part of rthe reason i thoguht of ll0 was to generally avoid core bonuses entirely which might skew how the game can or does actually operate, or serve to just, curate players towards those specific core bonuses.

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Auto-stabs and op cal in particular being the two biggest ones i think i'd avoid for core bonuses at all because of their status as the "just deal more damage permanently" and "ignore inaccurate" core bonuses respectively

idle cedar
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I might be using Dread chargen questionnaire but with some multiple choice options to build your mech.
Like on your goblin, you have an autopod, but what else do you have? And this should be toward the end, where you have a pretty good idea of who your character is already, so your builds would reflect who you are as a character. Or at least that's the idea.
Could be scope creep though, will need to actually write a design doc when the day comes

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just a little bit of customization on your prebuilt sheet

buoyant snow
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do you think its a good idea to hand out exotics at the end of the oneshot?

honest pawn
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Yeah why not

delicate geode
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Absolutely. It's a wonderful carrot.

honest pawn
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It’ll run into the problem of “can’t use the toy on the mission you got it in” but hey if this is meant to spring off new play then it may help

neon hearth
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just give them the toy straight up at the start

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or give them a stronger version of it as a reserve/call in during the mission

honest pawn
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Have them go get the Exotic and then use it to shoot their way out yeah

neon hearth
# onyx fractal Put together some thoughts on my experience so far using Typst for TTRPG layout ...

I really like what you did with the Corvette Job, but also I think it shows how much could potentially be done adapting Lancer for pamphlet play.

My main observations are:

  1. The map is way too big in spaces but too small in actual size; the individual squares are too small to be usable when printed. I think for oneshot play small maps are going to be essential anyway, and might make it possible to fit a map into the pamphlet.

But also, I'm not sure if you should put the map in the pamphlet. Its interesting as an exercise but I'm not sure there's actual value in doing that over just having another sheet for map stuff.

  1. There's a lot more room to cram value into these, especially if you drop the map to another page. There's also stuff that is neat but I'd probably drop for other things, like the rollable table for what's in the Corvette feels excessive.

  2. The structure doesn't actually mimic Lancer's by the book structure (briefing -> preparation -> reserves -> boots on the ground). Not saying it should necessarily, but that might be an important context, especially for new GMs.

onyx fractal
# neon hearth I really like what you did with the Corvette Job, but also I think it shows how ...

Thanks! I think there's a ton of opportunity for people to conceive of Lancer modules differently than they currently do, so I'm happy to help open people's minds to the possibilities!

Re: the map, I have a few thoughts:

  • I took the map from the module directly since this was more an exercise in layout, not editing. I didn't really pay any attention to the map grid size itself in terms of dimensions or scale. I agree that a one-shot map would probably benefit from being on the small side though!

  • In terms of the map's physical size, I don't actually expect that people would want to print the scaled-up version of the map from the pamphlet. If I were to publish my own trifold, I would probably ship a hi-res digital version of the map for printing or VTT use in a zip with the PDF.

  • That said, I think I still like including the map (or perhaps a rough sketch of the map, e.g. a map wireframe) in the pamphlet text because, philosophically, I like the idea that all someone needs to run the adventure IRL is the pamphlet itself, and they can sketch the map on a wet-erase mat from the reference. For digital play, people can use the hi-res VTT version instead, because they are already living in a digital world. A sketch version of the map might be able to fit into a single column, and instead, more space could be devoted to an area map or point crawl or something.

I agree there is also more room to cram more stuff into the pamphlet, though I'm also wary of filling every last corner of whitespace. Sometimes less is more! All depends on what you want to do.

As for the structure, I don't really think that structure is terribly meaningful for new GMs. And in a one-shot, IMO using pregens is a great idea, which means preparation and reserves are almost completely skipped. In a one-shot, I'm a big fan of starting as close to the action as I can get, so IMO starting with boots on the ground with a very quick briefing is all you really need.

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I think in general that, while you can print a pamphlet that's 6 columns of justified block text, I don't think that's good information design

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I like pictures and diagrams 😭

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It could be argued that a better use of that space might be a map of Engiri City and the trade route the corvette was flying on, and a few different points the PCs can go to during their investigation

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But that gets into adventure design, which I wasn't doing for this project :P

neon hearth
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Yeah I was thinking smaller, less detailed "concept" maps are probably what should be in the actual pamphlet.

Pictures and diagrams are great its just how to make that usable for the GM in limited space.

The question I am considering is whether or not I want to see what can be done to mix narrative into pamphlet module form or focus on core Lancer combat experience in mini-module form

onyx fractal
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Yeah that's the interesting question IMO

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It's easy to make a one-page lancer combat. Real easy

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But that turns a Lancer one-shot into a tabletop minis wargame

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I can't wait to see how people expand Lancer narratives in short form. The one-shot form factor really puts a lot of pressure on module authors to deprioritize combats, which I love to see

onyx fractal
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Wrote up a blog post with some thoughts about balancing one shot combats, prob will publish tomorrow

idle cedar
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basic pngtuber model acquired with picrew, there's some decent ones with commercial and processing licenses

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so I can make edits later

left mirage
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the stream will be spectacular!

neon hearth
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(definitely see the value of a markdown editor over a WYSIWYG in trying to make GDocs put tables where I goddamn want them)

buoyant snow
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how would you include Exotics in a Lancer Oneshot?

neon hearth
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couple of options

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could just have premade characters that include em

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if the players are making their own characters, just give it to em upfront

buoyant snow
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maybe they could "Find them" in the mission? Like...lets say they are raiding an armory full of weird weapons or confiscated contraband. and then in the next scene they can equip them. It would be kinda hard to do in compcon, but idk

neon hearth
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if they find the gear in an emplaced position, maybe they just go to a point and use a quick action, and presto they get the benefit

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maybe even a stronger version or something?

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depends on what you're trying to do

honest pawn
onyx fractal
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In the past, if my PCs got an exotic partway through a mission, I let them mount it for 0 SP until the end of the mission

buoyant snow
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ah I see

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what about weapon mounts? How would that work?

honest pawn
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They could swap one mount with the exotic

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Wallflower goes over “standard exotic procedure” iirc for mid mission stuff

onyx fractal
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Don't worry too much about time spent

honest pawn
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Yeah, it sounds like the goal here is to get the exotic gear into the players’ hands as quickly and cleanly as possible

onyx fractal
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I've been thinking of offering an exotic as a reward for mission completion but it's good to think of getting them during the mission

neon hearth
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I can already see other ways I might like to do the template or ways it doesn't feel like it works - I think the opfor section is a little redundant / needs different info to be useful / that info would be better on an images handout?

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anyway still cooking on an actual mission idea

onyx fractal
neon hearth
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good catch, added as part of the footer

idle cedar
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I'm thinking about prebuilt characters so i could just have someone start with an exotic

crystal wigeon
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True, though if this is for new players having a starter character with kit that isn't actually in the base game could be confusing if they choose to continue

onyx fractal
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counterpoint: new players don't know what is and isn't part of the base game

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Which is to say, if they just focus on their character sheet, that's all they have to worry about

fierce sedge
onyx fractal
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Fair

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I think I just don't worry that much about exotics in one-shots. I say just give them to players as part of the pregen or print it on a card or something and hand it out to the players to choose who gets it (making it clear this is a special thing)

idle cedar
onyx fractal
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Start as close as possible to the action. See if you can minimize the amount of time between "start of session" and "players make their first meaningful decision" to, like, 60 seconds

idle cedar
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i did think about giving characters something that's not normally available, just to give them some cool stuff
i was initially thinking of character traits, like each pilot gets some special passive or active
but exotic is probably a more reasonable way to do this

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what if... exotic that makes your actions simpler
like giving access to a full action that's a bit better than two standard quick actions

onyx fractal
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I feel like that starts to dip into counterproductive land

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like, accidentally teaching players the wrong rules

idle cedar
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something like:

Careful Attack
Full Action
Skirmish. You gain +2 Accuracy against one on your targets.
idle cedar
onyx fractal
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What is the design goal of this exotic?

idle cedar
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signpost their go-to turns

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but yeah there's def better ways to do this

honest pawn
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So to note: One Shot != New Player adventure, to be clear. It could be easier for a oneshot to be fire and forget for newbies, sure, but I think it’s important to keep in mind that the audience does NOT have to be new players

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If someone is targeting a new player one shot, great, carry on, continue, just don’t treat it as the prescription for everyone else

idle cedar
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yaa there's definitely a need for "ok i just finished this module, what do I do now" kind of module

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is "recommended for new players" tag on a sheet an effective way to guide people in that direction

honest pawn
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Yeah, I think so

idle cedar
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idk if people really listen to that or just take it as a challenge

honest pawn
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Can’t stop players from playing the way they wanna

idle cedar
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i usually take it as a challenge, it's my toxic gamer trait

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jk about it being a toxic gamer thing

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but i do sometimes see cool stuff and want to try it out, despite the designers telling me no

onyx fractal
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I can't help but think about new players as a primary audience for a one-shot, but I think it's worthwhile considering how experienced players and GM might adapt the content

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And writing in a way that makes that easy

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i.e. don't hard-code "newbie-friendly" into the module

idle cedar
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i could make the premade sheets more optional
make the place a bit less tied to specific PCs

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that is probably wise

fierce sedge
fierce sedge
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That ya don't need to design it as someone's first foray into the system; just be clear about what it is :).

neon hearth
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Also, there's a difference between designing the GM's first foray into the game and designing something for a reasonably experienced GM to pick up and get some use out of with less experienced players.

The former is just inevitably going to be pretty wordy simply because you need to spell out more things or explain your decision making in a way a more experienced GM just wouldn't need.

neon hearth
# onyx fractal Thoughts on balancing combat for one shots https://gordianblade.com/balancing-la...

Got a chance to read this, seems good overall, but I'd like to throw in another option (and what I've been thinking about doing for my own little module): focus on stressing players in other ways than their resources.

I'd do this by adding bonus objectives, or combining multiple sitrep objectives or conditions into a single scene (for example: need to extract with a payload, but need to hit a button to release its clamps first). You can also just make the timeline more aggressive; instead of 6 rounds, can you do it in 5? That pressures player action economy even with a more normal number of NPCs, and make those NPCs more impactful because PCs might not have time to focus on deleting them, and because their interference with PCs attempts to solve objectives becomes the focus of the problem rather than just needing to reduce the number of enemy activations by any means necessary.

onyx fractal
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Time pressure is a good idea! I like that a lot

neon hearth
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The only other thing I'd add is that the Everest is kind of a special case for core powers, and especially for oneshots I'd consider using something like Valkyrion's modified Everest core (just because how insanely powerful the standard Everest core is)

south fern
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wheneve i do high budget one-shots, combats rarely last more than 3 rounds before it's evident who's gonna win

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Control and Recon are the exceptions

honest pawn
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(I thank Perijove for that modified Everest CP, it’s clever but still potent)

onyx fractal
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Oh, I'm not familiar with that one

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I'm hestitant to change a RAW mechanic for something like this but it's certainly an option

honest pawn
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Sec

honest pawn
onyx fractal
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So basically a "free" overcharge + accuracy

tepid pecan
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Tbh I'll just let em have it or like, introduce narrative opoetunies to volunteer away their core active abilities

onyx fractal
honest pawn
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In that regard, though, I think the biggest challenge for any one-shot with limited space is conveying its special rules in a clear and succinct manner

onyx fractal
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For sure, information design is a huge challenge

fierce sedge
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More mechanically deep ones that leverage the excess of resources to assume the players have more leeway than usual.

fierce sedge
onyx fractal
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Fortunately I think including narrative resource expenditure doesn't increase teach time or complexity a great deal

fierce sedge
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That's honestly the biggest reason why I don't implement facsimiles to attrition, as it adds to the bulk of the text and to an extent the complexity of preparations.

fierce sedge
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For a double it's less of a concern.

onyx fractal
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Oh yeah for sure. We're talking about damage on the scale of structure/stress, not HP

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Or damaging weapons/systems

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Or using Core/Overcharge for accuracy or automatic success

tepid pecan
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oh it just occured to me its december ain't it

hollow turtle
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It is now!

idle cedar
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one more week until theme suggestion poll closes and a new one goes up

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where we actually vote for the theme

idle cedar
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idk who keeps writing the super elaborate interpretation of the submitted theme

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like... I'll take the theme suggestion but the interpretation is meant to be up to each group

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it's appreciated though

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anyways there's 62 theme suggestions now

hollow turtle
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XD

neon hearth
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One thing I will say is that, I am not sure that "fit it all in one session" is easier than having multiple sessions for a single mission.

idle cedar
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I think you're probably right
I feel like it's too late to change it, but if this goes well, I do wanna host another one but this time with an entire mission

neon hearth
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If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter and all that

tepid pecan
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i personally think its easier to do 1 session but im viewing it from a "cut unneccessary weight" viewpoint

idle cedar
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yeah but in a letter, you don't have to make battlemaps and do nice templating which also takes work

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which, you know, isn't required but

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I feel like that's what people are doing

tepid pecan
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in a letter?

fierce sedge
fierce sedge
idle cedar
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just trying to say letter writing and module writing are different genres of writing with different considerations

neon hearth
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I mean if you're not concerned about the overall experience and it's just a question of the amount and polish of Content produced, yeah.

idle cedar
# fierce sedge Weak

November 3, 1920.
My dearest Clarissa,
The trenches are cold as usual. I lost another one of my friends to the Spanish Flu. Perhaps it is blasphemous of me to say this, but what God would allow this to happen? Perhaps I am dead and I am in hell.
Anyway, attached is the battlemap for the next month's game. I hope the standees find you well. They should serve well as tokens.

With love,
John Smith
-# I will not be taking any feedback with regards to ahistoricity of this made up letter, thank you

honest pawn
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I’m gonna reiterate the utility of treating a oneshot like a single “job” in a larger session, in that “writing a shorter letter taking more time” is more relevant when you start with a longer letter

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Basically, IMO, stop trying to target a Mission’s worth of content in a One Shot

idle cedar
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I think there's definitely something to consider about trying to make a shorter form content than normal lancer experience
but also like, considering the amount of content needed for a normal lancer experience, I'm not really convinced that making a oneshot content is necessarily more difficult than making a full mission, overall

honest pawn
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I agree

neon hearth
idle cedar
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I don't wanna minimize the thought that goes into trying to fit stuff into a oneshot, bc you'll have to cut something out and that takes careful thought
but also like, once you cut it, you don't need to work on it

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it both adds and substracts the total amount of work you'd be doing

honest pawn
fierce sedge
honest pawn
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But legitimately though, if you wanna write a full mission, write a full mission and screw the jam

neon hearth
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to be less glib tho: its less about trying to stuff a missions worth of Content, and more about trying to stuff a complete arc into a session (setup, payoff, etc)

which means trying to make all the pieces do double and triple duty in context without becoming too unwieldy

idle cedar
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I feel like this is similar to like, adapting a series into a movie

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you do have to compress some stuff, only include the important bits, and sometimes even cutting some important stuff to shift focus etc

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I think the pregens will do a lot of heavy lifting here for me

tepid pecan
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yeah

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we have a lot fo experience in "true" oneshots

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and imo the big deal is A) setting expectation ahead of time
B) pregeneration and significant curation
C) dont try to stuff a "full arc" into something. you don't see people trying to stuff a movie or series into an episode, after all

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as an example, we did a oneshot where we told players ahead of time "yeah this is who you are as pilots you are at this time because its your job and you have 3 difference 1 sentene choices for why you've already agreed to do this"

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"this is why you care about this thing"

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we design the narrative challenges to be "efficient" we make sure that we don't do/run into character interact loops, keep everyone time conscious,

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throw the battle in, then narrate the conclusion

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and we make whatever the oneshot is supposed to be "exciting"

onyx fractal
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How long do your one-shots go for?

neon hearth
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You don't try to stuff a movie into an episode, but you try to stuff an episode into an episode - something where whatever the main dramatic question posed by the focus isn't left unresolved by the end (even if there are larger questions remaining).

tepid pecan
tepid pecan
onyx fractal
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Oh wow, I'm targeting 3-4 hours

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Yeah it's a tough nut to crack

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Thing is, I think it's a worthwhile nut to crack

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And the difficulty in cracking it is probably why it hasn't been attempted much

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At this point, I'm just interested to see how people attempt to crack it

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I don't think there's an objectively correct way to do it, which is the fun part

neon hearth
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I mean even documentary storytelling builds itself around like
arcs, questions, tensions

onyx fractal
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Ultimately it sort of comes down to how much detail you want to go into with a given arc

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I can run a whole ass mission in a single die roll if I don't care too much about the nitty gritty details :P

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It's all about the game structure babyyy

potent axle
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I'm hoping to take a crack at something that can be in that shorter 3-4hr window. The pot has been simmering away in my mind for a couple of weeks now.
One of the things motivating me is the apparent lack of new player focused introductory one shots. I wonder how many groups have played the Corvette Job for this reason (ours did and it was fun). I think it would be great if there were a handful more one shots out there to help with bringing new players in.

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I feel intended session length is an important factor there, and writing for a 6 hour session is probably going to translate to a two-shot for plenty of groups and I don't think that's super conducive to an introductory game.

idle cedar
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i hope that i can finish up first draft in the first few days and playtest a few sessions as i make changes

neon hearth
onyx fractal
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I'm really curious to hear how people actually run the investigation/jungle sections, since I feel like it's missing a lot of meat

neon hearth
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yeah that's kind of my question

idle cedar
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i think i made up a town where players can interact and ask questions to locals about anything weird they saw

onyx fractal
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Right now I'm leaning toward potentially a node-based scenario, or a very small location crawl

idle cedar
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maybe I'll run a pickup game of HA Corvette job and try to stick as closely as possible to the writing

onyx fractal
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It entirely depends on the theme though

idle cedar
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you can probably do a crawl with any theme

onyx fractal
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right, but I have an idea I'm toying with and I don't know how much work it will end up being to contort that idea to match the theme lol

idle cedar
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that's fair

neon hearth
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a question I am thinking about for a oneshot is how to sandwich things

I think you do narrative-combat-narrative or combat-narrative-combat
and what I want to test is more the latter

idle cedar
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two combats, or narrative break in the middle of combat?

neon hearth
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yes

potent axle
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HA Corvette was very abridged for us, we didn't really play it as intended. I included it as part of a session 0 so we didn't have a full session to focus on it.
The investigation I compressed a lot, basically taking some sort of skill check from each player to proceed to show how narrative worked and then cutting to boots on the ground.
The combat we did not play to completion, probably a few rounds.
The whole point was to test a couple of things out and confirm the players would be interested in persisting with the system (thankfully they were), but I know that it was a clumsy exercise and probably would have been more interesting to spend a proper session playing. That's what's motivating me to write something concise but with a bit more meat on the bones than the Corvette Job.

hollow turtle
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Oh also, to contribute some data to the pile:

Ran my LL12 one shot again, this time with a small narrative clock they had to fill to try and convince/give advice to a committee.

It took a good... half an hour/45ish minutes? And I ended it a segment early to kind of mechanically show the idea of being suddenly interrupted in a jarring manner.

Thus tiny narrative scene didn't have too much impact on the following combats. Most of the players seemed to have a good idea of their builds and how it all worked. The biggest time sink was the toss in replacement for one of our players that needed to leave.

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That one shot is definitely on the longer side, but given the nature of it being a LL12 one shot, its definitely aimed at veterans who can understand the foibles of high rank. Toss a bunch of noobs at that scenario and it would definitely gear grind

idle cedar
hollow turtle
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The closer we get to Jammin Time the more I feel set on making tbat fabled LL12 one shot for whatever theme wins

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High level Lancer NPC balance is whack and strange and high level Lancers are stranger

idle cedar
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what's at stake for this LL12 build?

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wait sorry idk what I'm saying lol

hollow turtle
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Its so much fun to build stuff for high level

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(Least for me)

idle cedar
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do you do anything grandiose for ll12, narratively

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or is it like, just another fight

hollow turtle
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For the one shot I've done? No. The narrative was simple and kinda low stakes

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And depending on the winning theme, I kinda wanna keep it that way

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Give the players a chance to kinda settle into the characters they made before I toss these God Mechs at Whacky NPCs

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I think the most difficult part, on a kinda meta level with a LL12 one shot is its there as a power flex and not much else

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You can’t really have a whole campaign with those characters once your done

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Might, depending on time and energy, put some jump off points/hooks at the end of the oneshot, so theres some suggestions on how to utilize the oneshot characters/set up further

jolly hornet
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For some people, that's the ideal oneshot; a short closed loop story, no loose ends.

hollow turtle
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Yep! If ya want to end it there

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It ends

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If you wanna drag some hooks out, well, here are a few!

onyx fractal
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Might be heresy but I think there's a reasonable argument in favor of making one shot combat a deathmatch

neon hearth
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I think you do that to make it short, and also you probably have a cutoff where the enemy scrams once its clearly over

fierce sedge
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So I'm not sure it changes much other than for example needing another way to encourage strategies other than camping/deathball, or to embrace those if that's what one wants.

grim yarrow
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This is sometimes enough for me to complete shorter missions (e.g. Wallflower mission 1).

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In any case, this probably makes me imagine ONE SHOT to have more content than most people do.

For example, the structure of the opening + a ‘warm-up’ fight + a narrative + a ‘serious’ fight + a conclusion is enough to fit into the ONE SHOT frame for me

onyx fractal
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Ah yeah that's more than I typically think of

grim yarrow
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My estimate is that play in person is about 1.5 to 2 times faster than play on line.
I'm curious if anyone has similar experience to confirm (or deny) this estimate

onyx fractal
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I have yet to play in person, I am curious to observe that though as I plan to do at least 50% of my testing in person

neon hearth
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the project I'm working on now - kind of my 'warm up' for the game jam - I intend to be playable as two combat scenes over like 5-6 hours, but with a natural break point you can work to if you only have 3-4 hours.

upper loom
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is anyone wanting a partner for the one shot game jam?? my irl friend i was expecting to work with said no, so I would love to work with someone!

unborn bridge
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Yeah that's cool, I'm also looking for someone to work with

unborn bridge
upper loom
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im really down for anything

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i have professional graphic design / layout expierence

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as well i am a forver dm of lancer

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I really like KTB stuff

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i am also okay-ish at blender

left mirage
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depending on theme:

  • FTL's short narrative encounters but in a single planetary system
  • OPERATION WINTER SCAR SPOILERS ||The Typhon but as a point crawl and more respectful of player agency||
  • a different thing if neither of those work with the theme, I have about a billion of these. If criminal works I'm totally doing the Lancer adaptation of Murder on Arcturis Station using clocks
upper loom
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that would go hard

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(also how would a hexcrawl work for a one shot)

left mirage
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nice!

left mirage
fierce sedge
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Not a hex crawl, but a point one.

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||I'm not convinced that the particular section of OWS mentioned needs it, but in terms of the mechanics at hand it's nothing too complex.||

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credit to Kaffeezombie for the ship tokens I used.

oneshot_seccom_boarding_v.2.png oneshot_seccom_v1.4.png
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Within a Oneshot I don't believe it's feasible to look at it as a pointcrawl where you travel through the same few points multiple times.

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You just do not have the hours needed to feasibly revisit points if you also want to run a combat.

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As such I instead took the approach of having a goal with multiple valid paths, along the lines of a classic onion structure of converging lines.

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Each path has its own advantages and disadvantages, and the gang could have tried to get several bonuses if they wanted to risk it (the mission had a 3h IRL time limit, so any time spent doing extra stuff meant they had that much less time to try to achieve their objective. Worked flawlessly tbh.)

sweet gale
neon hearth
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one of the other things that might be worth trying is a literal dungeon crawl
like, not a point crawl in a dungeon just an actual big map + some way of transitioning more smoothly in and out of combat time

honest pawn
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Very similar to Orange’s

fierce sedge
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Yeah, I think another aspect of it that's important is that your decisions should preferably have a tangible, downstream effect.

neon hearth
fierce sedge
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In my case I did the following.

  • If you want out the hangar bays in W2, no reinforcements can come from the west.
  • If you take out the bays E2, no reinforcements from the east.
  • If you take out the command centre in N1, all enemies begin their first turn of combat impaired.
  • If you take out W1 and E1, the station starts crashing towards the surface and will be unable to escape (but will still be able to fire its primary weapon should you fail to stop it).

And then C1 was the primary target, with S1 being the connecting path to it.

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I do still have to flesh out the dungeon crawl I was working on to try things out with, but that one is moreso for a longer mission than a Oneshot.

idle cedar
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Jam plans:
Phase 1 - first draft of narrative, first draft for characters (6 characters, targeted for 3-4 players?)
Phase 2 - build combat, integrate into narrative
Phase 3 - playtest and adjustment to narrative, characters, and combat
Phase 4 - editing and styling, maybe some more playtest
-# almost forgot: Phase 0 - come up with cool names for phases so I can feel cool when I move on to next phases

upper loom
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does the jam require we have premade characters?

onyx fractal
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Nope! But it's one option that some people are looking into including in their submission because it can help save time at the table

upper loom
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i see i see

idle cedar
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it's just something I wanna do ya

upper loom
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epically

onyx fractal
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Personally I'm considering publishing pregens separately from my One-shot submission

neon hearth
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"building your mech" is in my mind such a pillar of Lancer that like
premades almost defeat the purpose
maybe for a purely teaching game, but even for a oneshot
the tools for sharing characters are sufficiently robust that I'd just say "gimme an LL3 character that fits <2 sentence concept summary>"

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That said if you do include premades, that's a good way to provide character specific hooks, so...could be good!

idle cedar
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something I'm considering (but might cut) is simplified mech building, using Dread-style questionnaire

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so like you'd have most of the build put together, and you'd choose from couple different options based on how you answer

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not fully freeform, but there's still some choice in there

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it does eat up session time though, and I'm not sure how much time it will take. Hopefully aiming for no more than 15-20 minute

neon hearth
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simply have them make their characters before the session bigthink

idle cedar
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no that is something I specifically want to avoid

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0 prep required, everything you need is in the book

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but I know diff people have diff goals

neon hearth
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I did run a Root game recently with premades that worked out well
because everyone was in an overlapping web of relationships

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I think if I set something at the Kavalier College I'd do premades

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or otherwise some kind of more narrative heavy setup

idle cedar
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yaa that is a strong advantage of premades
if I go through with dread style questionnaire, relationship is going to be in there, like asking about some shared secrets etc

neon hearth
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the catch is Lancer in one shot form just doesn't have time for much narrative stuff anyway

idle cedar
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yeah

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no matter what, you have to cut something

upper loom
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is there winning the jam?

idle cedar
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depends on who you ask (aka no)

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whatever you and everyone else end up making and sharing is your reward, in a sense

neon hearth
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if you slam you win the jam

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that's the rules

idle cedar
honest pawn
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It rhymes, so it’s gotta be true /joke

idle cedar
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as a sage once said,

come on and slam,
and welcome to the jam

upper loom
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as for teams do artists count towards the member count

idle cedar
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this is a secret but I started this jam bc i wanted to make a oneshot and but not be the one person working on it
-# it's not a secret, I've been saying this the whole time

upper loom
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ya know

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thats genius

idle cedar
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are they just doing a commission and not really a part of the team, or are they also a part of the team

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the 5 player limit is there more so because:

  • it's a pretty standard size for game jams, at least for video games
  • i don't want people to feel like they have to form a huge team to make something really really good and high production value
upper loom
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they probably wont want to be a part of the team tbh

idle cedar
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some might not, some might, idk

upper loom
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also another question: do we have to follow the theme

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and if we dont do we get capital punishment

idle cedar
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they'll be abstract enough to allow for a lot of design space

idle cedar
upper loom
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epic

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is there a page limit? i figure that would be helpful

idle cedar
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no page limit

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but the content should fit a single session, whatever that means for your team

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i think somebody is doing an 8 hour content

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which, good for them but i ain't doing all that

hollow turtle
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Let's make one.

If ur one shot doesn't fit on a postage stamp, its rejected

idle cedar
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microscope oneshot but you need a microscope to read the rulebook

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if you really really want to write a 500 page lore document with a oneshot added onto it... I mean sure
but please consider scope creep

upper loom
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dot printing

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in the future, idk if yr in comms w massif but itd be sick if the winner could like make or adapt the one shot into an official lancer thing

upper loom
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descope, i dont know her

idle cedar
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i said this somewhere up there but i didn't wanna pick winners bc:

  • I'm nothing more than just another fan to massif press, afaik
  • I'm not qualified to pick a winner
  • I'm not asking people to be judges for this
  • I'm not letting people vote for winners bc I don't wanna set up a voting system that can't be cheated
upper loom
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true

idle cedar
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also it's just good to not make people feel super competitive against each other imo

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we're just here having fun together

upper loom
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thats true

crystal wigeon
# upper loom in the future, idk if yr in comms w massif but itd be sick if the winner could l...

Lancer, from what I've experienced, doesn't have much of an official/unoffical label bias like certain other dragon-related games. Except maybe in terms of mech homebrew allowance but even then, there's a lot of high quality stuff out there so it doesn't have as much of the stigma. So all adopting as "official" post fact (something that hasn't happened before) would do is get some publicity from the announcement

fierce sedge
hollow turtle
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Yeah I'm not big on this (or any further Lancer jam) having a winner. It would not foster the atmosphere of community

#

And perhaps it would drive away those newer creators who've never published before (ie, me)

tepid pecan
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i think it would just kind of turn into "who already had artists to advertise the work" thing which is already kind of an "issue" in regards to popularity all its own

fierce sedge
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Yeah, like, to be clear some of the folk in this have an established network, have published modules and other books before, and are in general good at what they do.

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And I suspect that if we'd introduce a competitive angle, well chances are that it'd just draw more attention to them, rather than have this be an opportunity to encourage folk generally, which I suspect they wouldn't want either.

hollow turtle
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I'm excited to participate here because my stuff is gonna be featured along side all the veterans. Not under it (because there ain't no way my stuff is winning the very first time I publish)

upper loom
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theres going to be so many different times of submissions

idle cedar
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there's probably gonna be some unofficial winners I think
just like, most liked overall, best combat, most unique mechanics, best hook, etc.
It wouldn't be one winner, or even one winner for category
but people will probably notice cool stuff if you put it out there

honest pawn
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The winners will be the Lancer community for getting so many one shots to play 😤

upper loom
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frfr

onyx fractal
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The real winners are the friends we made along the way

neon hearth
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NHP Specialists: "See, now you're getting it."

idle cedar
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I'm an internet micro celebrity now so I've already won
-# (mostly joking)

upper loom
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nah internet micro celebrity status is the peak of we all should strive for

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theres been no greater goal in my life other than reaching the status of pnet micro celebrity

thorny sand
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I'm just excited to see an influx of short-form content to the system

south fern
fierce sedge
upper loom
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why orange, orange?

idle cedar
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only 257 mentions, i gotta pump that number up

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for what it's worth, 1000+ hits on the word chimera

hasty tartan
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Hi sorry if this is a dumb question but we should wait till 22ed to start when the theme is picked correct?

upper loom
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i think chimera will always be a popular name / word in a community of internet queers that like ttrpgs to be fair hahaha

idle cedar
onyx fractal
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Is the 22nd the start of the submission window, or the start of when people should start working?

idle cedar
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those two are one and the same in itch.io jam
for the most part, people don't submit until it's close to the deadline, but some people are sickos (endearing) and submit something in like 30 minutes of it opening

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not gonna officially advise against it or anything, but like, take your time

onyx fractal
fierce sedge
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The second orange is in the colour

onyx fractal
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😤

fierce sedge
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Tis why I had to change my name, as Orange orange orange would have been a break from my branding

neon hearth
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while I'm waiting for the one-shot module jam to start, I made a one-shot module: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cRPge2_BkFkpLCFuvGsGaI60sjB7vE-EFosmQQALL2M/edit?tab=t.0

(still need to do the 2nd map, some art, and some tokens)

Google Docs
Hell or High Water 0.1

BACKGROUND / BIOS Teporberge, is a once-grand city with ancient roots. It has been wracked by ongoing civil war; the planet’s Union administrator has kept out of the conflict aside from humanitarian aid and diplomacy. In recent years the military-backed Bergenic Council has come to lead the ...

idle cedar
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hell yeah

foggy shell
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This feels like a good spot to ask, does anyone here know how to get Smallcaps like the core book/1st party books do in Google Docs?

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idle cedar
foggy shell
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Seems like it doesn't support Smallcaps for Helvetica Neue (the font in the core book) on Google Docs, at least that way. Alas

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idle cedar
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maybe try smaller font size for a pseudo smallcaps effect?

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it's probably annoying to do consistently though

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not exactly what you're looking for, but also:

  • do the detailed formatting at the very end, and just go for minimal formatting during draft phase
  • consider making your own style, rather than try to follow official lancer style
foggy shell
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This is for an unrelated thing to module jam (thought it might be nice to ask in here with all the formatting talk) - whatever I make for the Jam will be thoroughly me, I think :3

idle cedar
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I would also like to do something like that :)

honest pawn
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I personally suggest Arimo, Noto Sans, or Lato instead; they’re all free to use and available on Google Fonts (and thus by extension GDocs)

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Fonts and PDFs are a tricky thing, so make sure that you’re using fonts with licenses that work for your project

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Also: Consolas (also from the core book) is ALSO a paid license. I’d rec something like Ubuntu Mono instead if you wanna match Core Book

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All this trickiness is why I made my Lancer RPG Template to try to get myself (and others) off on the right foot regarding layout and legal stuff

foggy shell
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Oh, that's good to know, thanks

buoyant snow
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When is the vote?

onyx fractal
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I think Dec 9th?

idle cedar
hollow turtle
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downloading Affinity and opening it up to stare at a remarkably understandable layout

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then again, I'm an Adobe baby, so maybe for the layman it won't be as easy

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still I think its fairly understandable if you watch a few tutorials, very clean UI

onyx fractal
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Yeah once you have a couple tutorials under your belt, it's a lot more approachable

upper loom
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affinity products are so nice

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i really wish they were as powerful as the adobe ones

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but for like 95% of what i do

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affinirt is just so easy

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and they still have the pantone colors

idle cedar
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I'm not doing anything fancy, I'll just make it a booklet you can print and staple

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google slides btw, 5 inches by 8 inches for letter size

onyx fractal
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haha nice

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Gets the job done

idle cedar
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I did my 40 hooks in google slides too
though that one I tried to set up a slide template and they did not like how small the slides were

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would prefer not to mess with this again
still less of a pain than html/css though, which was an option I was considering

pastel thunder
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this templace would help 3000 for alot of brewers we think

idle cedar
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early draft of what the questionnaire might look like
might give a bit more control over the build too, but I think for the Rookie specifically would probably just get stuck with Everest loaded up with Thermal Lance, Assault Rifle, and choice of sidearms

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it's both narratively a rookie, and also aimed at someone less confident with build customization

idle cedar
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if you use A4 size, you can just have A5 size in the paper settings

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and you should be able to print two pages at once

onyx fractal
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New Typst project: new printable character sheets

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Just... profoundly disappointed with all the options I have for physical sheets

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including compcon printing

idle cedar
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I'm trying to do that but in ppt

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it's just a really nice tool for layouts

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if I felt fancy I'd probably go for canva

pastel thunder
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HEY
so we have this royalty free resource of images if anyone wants to spice up their one shot module^^

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lacking art can be solved by ambient pictures!

idle cedar
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ah heck I meant to put some of these up myself

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forgot to do that

idle cedar
hollow turtle
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There's not a lot, but if you need one

hasty tartan
hollow turtle
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I'll add a document to the folder so people can properly credit me later. :3

spare elm
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Interesting timing here. Starting a new campaign for my group tomorrow, who have never played Lancer before.
Could port over the initial setting, situation and battle(s) to the Jam. May not be the best entry, but the core concept is at least interesting. If it fits the theme...

idle cedar
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I was thinking the opposite, like running games using these modules

idle cedar
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theme suggestion closing today, vote poll should go up sometime today as well

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I'll probably use approval voting to see which are the most popular

upper loom
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is the poll up?

idle cedar
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oh fuck

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lmao

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I'll do it now