#Hardvac Blues

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faint pendant
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Still wanna try Ishytar

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Clingy Car

hearty flint
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ohhhhh oki

olive rover
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ah, I ruled that incorrectly during the oneshot then

onyx snow
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Does the Ionized talent's level 2, Fission Cascade, allow for bonus damage (assuming it's energy) be changed to Burn? Since normally bonus damage can't be Burn, but there is the notable exception of Walking Armory.

restive wadi
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Yup

hearty flint
# restive wadi Yup

it specifically says die so if a weapon has a dmg profile of 1d3+5 then it's only the 1d3 die and not +5 base dmg?

wise hound
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Minor question regarding Ionized:

How does it interact with AoE weapons

restive wadi
hearty flint
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ahg oki

restive wadi
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I don't really understand the question tbh

hearty flint
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on the Atlas alt frame

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the highlighted text

desert tartan
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they don't. they simply do not do.

hearty flint
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no i mean like

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im pretty sure there's a missing word in there somewhere

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no, too much word actually

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second "to" shouldnt be there

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no, i actually dont know

faint pendant
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Do not the character

desert tartan
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yeah its missing "cause"

restive wadi
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yep, just missing "cause"

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as a general thing, if you think there's a typo in the LCP check the document, its more likely to be correct

hearty flint
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okidoke

hearty flint
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AHAMKARA

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also uh, Izanami like, Izanagi?

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im not very verse in Destiny lore tbh its cool to see them

restive wadi
hearty flint
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aowhh oki

restive wadi
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(that is an Ahamkara talking though, her name is Arestera)

hearty flint
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wording could be better imo; someone could interpret it as anything moving beyond range 2 of it

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"when a character moves out of range 2 of it" ?

restive wadi
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Eh, that's pretty clunky tbh

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I've gone over this a lot actually, there really aren't many options that are both perfectly clear and not awkward

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and frankly the folks who look at that and decide it triggers off anyone moving outside of range 2 ever aren't the people I'm designing for

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If I get a particularly good idea for an alternative I'll at least poke at it, but I'm not too pressed about it

upbeat ember
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You could say something like "whenever a hostile character within range 2 moves beyond/outside of that range..."

hearty flint
hearty flint
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uh

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i found an exposing build and idk if its concerning enough

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wait no

it isnt concerning that Banish works with Odysseus battlefield sabotage?

restive wadi
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Intended actually

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It's a fun combo you can already do with Osiris and Banish, and while it is good, Banish is already an incredibly reliable heatgunning tool on its own that it doesn't actually add that much power

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It's a fun combo, but I would be pretty surprised if it was OP

hearty flint
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at LL6 you can give them 10 heat from a quick tech (with difficulty by its own tho) and if the enemy has the movement you can exposed them then make them walk into a 2d6 with DSAS

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Osiris ironically is limited by the movement being limited to its first gate; you can just do this every round on Odysseus

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okay but like

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there's prerequisites to this which are like

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hitting a tech attack, them failing a save, them having enough movement, them having enough heatcap thay 10 atresses them, and hoping they roll Exposed instead of just impaired

final ermine
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gets especially funny if you pair it with wisp systems. they get hit with all that shit and then they can potentially eat an Ephemera Drive forced teleport right into the waiting arms of your tomyris teammate

restive wadi
hearty flint
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never ran a game where a player was using Banish mhn

restive wadi
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Hey folks, just want to give a quick update, life's been pretty hectic for me, which is why I haven't been running any playtests recently. I don't know when I'll be able to get around to that, but it will hopefully be Soon™

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In the meantime though, I do have something cool to show off...

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Cover art is by @bioluminosity on bluesky. They were lovely to work with on this, and it's so surreal seeing this start to actually come together

queen geode
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I don’t mean to be budging in but…

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I generally think both of these core bonuses need to be toned back a notch

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These are my suggestions

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-IPS-N: the structure dice should always have a minimum of 1 dice rolled and the other ability’s could probably be it’s own core bonus

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-SSC: change to 1/round all weapons on the mount this bonus is attached to may score a CRITICAL HIT on a 18+ instead of a 20+, any following attacks made with this weapon score a CRITICAL HIT normally.

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I’ll have a look for any more blatantly overpowered stuff

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Please don’t take this personally 🙏

restive wadi
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I do want to ask, is this feedback based on playtesting?

queen geode
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Absolutely not

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But I still think some of this goes too far

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Sorry for stepping on toes

restive wadi
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Alright, well I will take this into consideration, but I'm really only interested in feedback based on actual experience right now

queen geode
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Core bonuses shouldn’t be overpowered, they should be used for flavor

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For instance a look at fomorian frame in ipsn

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It increases your size by one

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That’s it

restive wadi
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Well that's actually not it, it also grants heavy frame

queen geode
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Oh does it? Sorry

restive wadi
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And that's just generally not true at all, core bonuses are the primary source of direct power upgrades in this game

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See things like Autostab, Opcal, Reinforced Frame, Open Door, Heatfall, SBD, etc

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I will take your thoughts into consideration, but I'm not particularly interested in this type of ungrounded, unsolicited feedback

hearty flint
molten temple
# queen geode

to offer our own ungrounded, unsolicited feedback, these seem pretty strong, but we wouldn't call them beyond the pale at all, at least without seeing them in action

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we could see ourselves taking these, but we could still see ourselves taking other core bonuses which, y'know, seems like a good spot from a sightread

queen geode
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Is it possible to play test rules without a group?

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Or does scheduling hell continue

sweet glen
queen geode
faint pendant
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Lawd hesus Mikey

sweet glen
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How did you come to name it Hardvac blues

restive wadi
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Oh this all started out as just a few homebrew bits and bobs for a campaign I'm running of the same name

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And the name just sorta stuck as I kept expanding the scope into a proper project

sweet glen
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Very rad, thank you

wicked gate
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hopping in over here cause i might have some questions in the coming days on some wording stuff

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a while back, monthssss ago, i asked cheese if i could borrow some wording things in hardvac (the mark mechanic wording comes to mind), with credit and permission (which igot) so might have some for you!!

restive wadi
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You don't need to credit me for basic wording stuff like that lol, but I'm happy to answer any questions you may have

wicked gate
nocturne dust
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hello may I please use this in my campaign

restive wadi
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That's what it's here for

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You don't need to ask permission for that lol

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If you do end up using it I would appreciate any feedback you may have on the stuff you use, but no pressure lol

nocturne dust
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ok :]

amber flume
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Oh! Cheese made this!

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Ive been reading bits and pieces of this yesterday and today, am considering throwing it ar my group or our next campaign.

final ermine
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it's real good

vernal whale
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[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Metalmark 3, HORUS Goblin 1, HORUS Kobold 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  The Lesson of Thinking-Tomorrow’s-Thought, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Nuclear Cavalier 3, Duelist 2, Executioner 2, Combined Arms 1, Traditionalist 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:2 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:9 EDEF:10 SENSE:5 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Magma Lash
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  FLEX MOUNT: Tactical Melee Weapon (Shock Wreath) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  H0R_OS System Upgrade I, Seismic Ripper, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System, Armament Redundancy```
The idea of puppetwatch shock wreath ifrit popped fully formed into my head yesterday at work
wicked gate
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@restive wadi does the Odysseus have art concepts or sketches or anything yet?

restive wadi
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nothing yet no

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I have some very vague ideas for what I want it to look like, but thats about it

dusk kayak
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I LOVE THE ODYSSEUS RAHHHH

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ME WHEN IM ΠΟΛΥΤΡΟΠΟΣ

faint pendant
wicked gate
restive wadi
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...probably

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all subject to change lol

final ermine
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monoeye mechs >>>

silk apex
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Just wanna say that I read up the Mannerheim because my GF wanted an Ice/freezing mech. God, such a cool frame. Even I wanna try it, just a lot of variety in its systems. Makes it feel interesting rather than just systems that do an ice theme over and over.

vital temple
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hey wanted to pop in
i adore this supplement so much-- using it in my campaign rn, but i've noticed something
holy lord Daredevil instinct is really, REALLY good. Like, way more than most other options under its manufacturer. I'm not sure how you'd even balance it, given how much of its identity is ingrained in its functionality.

i do wanna give some positive feedback too though. The harvester is so awesome and my atlas player has been loving it. The unique talents have given my White Witch player a blast, and generally it's a super awesome supplement across the board. I'm a massive fan of the Dragonhunter on so, so many levels. Like if I weren't GMing i'd be playing that thing 24/7.

vital temple
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Anyway here's a build I made that exploits the actual living fresh fucking hell out of Shock-Absorbent Endoframe

-- SSC White Witch @ LL7 --
[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Metalmark 1, SSC White Witch 2, HA Gilgamesh 1, IPS-N Earhart 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Shock-Absorbent Endoframe, Daredevil Instinct
[ TALENTS ]
  Traditionalist 3, Exemplar 3, Duelist 3, Crack Shot 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:6 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:3
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:25 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:7 REPAIR:8
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:6 EVA:10 EDEF:6 SENSE:5 SAVE:15
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Ferrofluid Lance
  HEAVY MOUNT: Legionnaire Battle Rifle
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Reactive Weave, Servo Spools, Emergency Repair Module x2, Camus’s Razor, Pinning Spire, Adaptive Armor x5, Personalizations (HVB), Custom Paint Job```
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when bracing it can get resistance to any one damage type, gain 7 overshield, move 6 tiles, get +1 difficulty to all attacks made against it until the end of its next turn, become invisible, fully heal, and if it structured from the damage it rolls custom paintjob to see if it even structured, then rolls 2 less structure damage dice
You can also do this at LL5 but lose out on the overshield and get movement or free lock-on if you just run Earheart instead

restive wadi
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I'm obviously still open to changing it if it proves to be too strong

vital temple
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Really? As long as it's intended I don't mind, I just wanted you to be aware. My Viceroy, Harvester, and Dusk Wing are all running it 😭

restive wadi
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But I made daredevil because I realized that like at least 90% of the time the SSC core bonuses offer basically nothing to my builds compared to other options, so I wanted to make something that could compete with the heavy hitter CBs of other manufacturers

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Stuff like Heatfall and Reinforced Frame

vital temple
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Ahhhh, i see! It absolutely does compete with that

restive wadi
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And like, its definitely good, but I don't think it's better than, say, autostab

vital temple
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My main comment then is i'm scared shitless of my dusk wing
we havent played with it yet, but they run centimane gunslinger-- and they'll be critting with... basically all of their nexus every turn? meaning they'll be laying out very, very frequent debuffs

restive wadi
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Both in theory and what I've seen of its performance at the table

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I understand the kneejerk reaction there, but even at max LL it's not increasing a dusk wing's crit rate above 50% without stacking accuracy on top

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I would encourage you to actually play with that build and reassess after

vital temple
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That's fair, I'll come back when we've continued the campaign. Thanks for being here to talk though-- seriously easing my nerves

and god i just wanna stress i love the dragonhunter SO much it's so coooool

restive wadi
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Of course! I'm happy to help! Please do report back with any more feedback you have btw, even/especially if that feedback is that it still feels too strong

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I am still open to changing it if it needs it

restive wadi
silk apex
# restive wadi also realized I forgor to ever respond to this, but I'm really glad you like it!...

Eyup! Felt like every system was doing something just that bit different. Cryocannon looks so fun as someone who loves weapons that do some control at the side. But the ability to like, make ice cover? Trade an ally reactor stressing for them immobilizing? About the only "Yeah I expected this" was the ice grenades freezing enemies but because every other system does something a lil different it makes those grenades have a place

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A GM of mine was doing a "I allow homebrew game" and I didn't really wanna bring homebrew then. Now I wish I had brought this ;-;

restive wadi
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oh damn, rip lol

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funnily enough Cryocannon is actually like, the one thing I designed flavor first in that license

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everything else sorta grew from me wanting a heat-clear support mech, thinking "what if argonaut but for heat?" then "how do I flavor that? refrigerator."

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like, even Shelter only exists bc the Extreme Heat environment totally breaks the core passive

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Remote Purge Cycles exists because I needed the frame to have a proactive way to clear heat, and that in turn spawned the license's tech systems

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Coldsnap and Flashfreeze both started as "how do I give the license heat-clear systems that are balanced? limited works, but uhh, how about conditions too"

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and then those conditions spawned the control niche of the coldsnap and cryocannon as a different way to build off the ice theme

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and then I had one slot left, so I slotted in glacier as a way to help encourage people to stay close to the mannerheim for the passive

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basically everything grew naturally from that one design seed, and personally I think thats pretty cool

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(sorry for the wall of text out of nowhere, but also not sorry lol, this is my thread I can yap if I want)

silk apex
silk apex
silk apex
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Definitely we keep Mannerheim as my first homebrew pick if I have the chance

silk apex
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[ LICENSES ]
  HA Mannerheim 3, IPS-N Tortuga 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Vanguard 3, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Skirmisher 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:2
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:7
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:4 EVA:7 EDEF:9 SENSE:12 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  FLEX MOUNT: Cryocannon
  MAIN MOUNT: Deck-Sweeper Automatic Shotgun
[ SYSTEMS ]
  FLASHFREEZE Emergency Blinkfield x3, Preventative Maintenance, Field Marshal Protocols, "Glacier" Instant Fortification System, Armament Redundancy```

My take on one. A tough Mannerheim with some bite in case it needs to contribute some damage, but has a lot of tools to do full support if the team's already covering that. Tho I can probably switch out autostab for superior by design for even more heatcap for my team to shove heat into

Really wanted to insert the cool grenades but the insta hard cover is too good to pass up
deft jasper
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Joined, rejoined, whatever form of joined you may deem it, to say that this all is sick as hell, and I have yet to encounter a mech that is not incredibly cool.

vital temple
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i still have this lcp on the brain, which is a testament to how good it is. i love the hannibal. its role on a team is so fucking good. works amazingly with strong ranged teammates as a way to turn the battlefield into a shape you want, so much fun

vital temple
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the urge to make a heat-based invader ifrit and just
turn it all into burn

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HOR_OS III, dimensional emblems, then like
push enemies through them, or pull them through them.

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6 fucking burn

tribal sparrow
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ive played a couple lancer games recently with no homebrew, and the game feels so empty without my beloved hardvac blues

vital temple
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hardvac blues is so gooooood

restive wadi
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Put banish on someone to deal up to 6 heat when they voluntarily move, then hit em with gate 1 to... encourage that movement

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And if you're running Heliopause, you can do all of that in a single tech attack too

vital temple
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ohh that's fucking evil

vital temple
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yeah no that's like... i think 8-10 burn?not sure because im a little tired rn

restive wadi
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8 burn if you stack it on one action with heliopause, 10 burn if not

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and since you're controlling their movement, you can also run them into your magma spots, and potentially trigger overwatch for more burn and more magma spots

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its really nasty lol

vital temple
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thats terrifying im in love
you could even run dimensional fragments with it. nothing's stopping you form just doing 10 billion burn

restive wadi
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The one real downside besides the investment into doing it is that you need gate 1 to control their movement, so the full combo is realistically only 1/scene, 2/scene at most

restive wadi
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got some good news folks! I am slowly but surely getting back into the swing of GMing, so playtest missions should be back up and running Soon™

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I've also been collecting a good bit of feedback from other folks, and I've had the chance to participate in some playtesting games as a player, so the next balance update will probably be going live before that

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also I've had a genius (or possible really stupid) build idea for one of my mechs that I need to share with folks, so its going here

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Hive Drone spam Viola

vital temple
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if you're doing any playtest stuff please shoot me a message, i desperately need to play more lancer and i love hardvac blues

dusk kayak
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(at least for my playtests idk about cheeses lol)

restive wadi
restive wadi
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also got an idea to float by y'all

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what would y'all think of me changing Standardized Construction (GMS Core Bonus that gives +2 RepCap) to this:

Standardized Construction (GMS)
You gain +1 Repair Cap and +2 SP
vital temple
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oh that'd be really, really good
more SP is something just about every mech wants

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im not sure if it'd be overpowered, i'd run it by some other people, but it'd definitely be good

dusk kayak
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  Crack Shot 3, Nuclear Cavalier 2,
  Grounded 2, Ionized 1,
  Drone Commander 1
[ LICENSES ]
  HORUS Balor 2, IPS-N Earhart 3,
  HA Barbarossa 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Reinforced Frame
[ MECH ]
  « FUNNY MEETING YOU HERE »
  HORUS Hecatoncheires
  H:2 A:2 S:0 E:4 SIZE:0.5
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:20 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEAT:10 REPAIR:4
  ATK BONUS:3 TECH ATK:1 LTD BONUS:2
  SPD:6 EVA:12 EDEF:10 SENS:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Main Mount: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
  Heavy Mount: Refractor Mining Laser (Nanocomposite Adaptation) // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Servo Spools, Expanded Heat Sink,
  Personalizations (HVB), Siege Stabilizers,
  Armament Redundancy, Hive Drone```
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funny nanocomp refractor

amber flume