Deadlock

[gray otter]

idk if you can hit 1s reliably

the spirit lifesteal could help

[vast sandal]

cmon now

[rich grove]

not remotely to the value of gun lifesteal

[vast sandal]

Vamp Burst is so so so good for Vyper

[slender falcon]

I can't do anything reliably in this game I'm dogshit

[gray otter]

(your ass is not doing meaningful damage with 1 lategame lmfao)

funnily enough she does absolutely build boundless spirit

because holy fuck, her 2

[rich grove]

boneless spirit

[vast sandal]

🅱️oundless

[rich grove]

2 and merc mag

merc mag is kind of the reason i was thinking about leech

[vast sandal]

I mean the other funny reason to buy 🅱️irit is because it makes her faster

[rich grove]

i just don't find that much value in thinking about 100k builds where you have eighty tier 4s

[gray otter]

god, spiritual overflow is ALMOST so appealing on vyper

but it wastes so much of its power budget on spirit lifesteal

[vast sandal]

I mean the thing is

you proc overflow but now what

[rich grove]

yooooo my 1 cd is outta control

i can do 2 damage on a 3.5s cd instead of a 4s cd

poggers

[gray otter]

...you have 40 more spirit power on your 2

[vast sandal]

with Geist you proc Overflow and now you are a God

[slender falcon]

you called?

[gray otter]

which means they die

[rich grove]

people have had the same theory about infernus and other characters who can actually use the cd

it just never sticks for whatever reason

but it looks so good on paper

[slender falcon]

I wanna try playing Geist and Graves, they seem fun

[gray otter]

spiritual overflow doesnt have cd what do you mean

[slender falcon]

and I like hybrid builds

[gray otter]

it has duration

which is good on vyper

or at least used to be

rest in peace AP rounds durationmax vyper

[slender falcon]

I think my only issue with Graves is I forget I can't do long range chip and just fucking waste ammo doing nothing

[vast sandal]

wait

let me get the guide on how to play Graves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPJNz6aonk

[autumn field]

Graves is genuinely the easiest piece of shit to ever play once you get some good stamina items and learn to move around a bit

[rich grove]

it used to have cdr as its passive and then that got removed sadge

[slender falcon]

this doesn't look like a tutorial

[vast sandal]

it is

watch all the way through

[rich grove]

infernus can also really use the duration for obvious reasons though and it's still not all that on him

spiritual overflow is like the third 6k on wraith

[vast sandal]

see popping overflow on geist is achievable and benefits literally every ability she has

because she's a demon

[autumn field]

Overflow is also crazy value on graves

[slender falcon]

📝

just... hold m1... when enemies are close...

[rich grove]

+40 spirit on the glork glork

[autumn field]

Deadass

[gray otter]

i bet its like

[vast sandal]

that gluk gluk 3000 fucking kills people

[gray otter]

ok on celeste maybe

[autumn field]

You can build anything on graves

[slender falcon]

how do I do jars

[autumn field]

Celeste builds gunslinger

[vast sandal]

you throw em

that's how you jars

[gray otter]

throw them sometimes

[autumn field]

Throw into enemy

[slender falcon]

cuz I see people talking about people doing shit deadheads but it's also like

[gray otter]

ideally at enemies

[autumn field]

M1 them a ljttle

[rich grove]

celeste is probably fine since it's 3 shots

[slender falcon]

I don't see how that could happen

[vast sandal]

okay so let me like, try to elaborate on deadheads a little

[rich grove]

pretty doable

[vast sandal]

don't throw them into dead space

[slender falcon]

ohhhh okay so just launch them at people

[autumn field]

Also you want to be M1ing them already a little

[vast sandal]

if you need to unload deadheads because you're full up throw them at your feet or throw them at enemies but never throw them into nowhereland

[autumn field]

Or have a teammate on them for best effect

[slender falcon]

gotcha

[worldly dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1509303005399482388/Mematic_20260527_141102.jpg?ex=6a18af75&is=6a175df5&hm=22fb52603a76ced28a9199c8965753879e168da6c9448bd8453075730f7e52d0&

[vast sandal]

if you chuck heads at your feet, they'll follow you

which is nice

[autumn field]

Even better if it's a drifter, m&k, doorman, or any annoying in your face piece of shit

[slender falcon]

is this so they get distracted and the deadheads go to town on them

[worldly dirge]

I wish it was April fools again so i can go all m&k

[vast sandal]

yes

[autumn field]

Yes

[slender falcon]

noted

[vast sandal]

you don't want to throw heads and then do nothing that's feeding your enemies free souls

[autumn field]

Graves has 2 things to her:

1. using pressure and creating momentum
2. See number 1

Her entire kit is braindead but works best the more you can overwhelm enemies

[vast sandal]

the real thing about Graves is that at all times and in all situations, you should be pushing towards an objective

[gray otter]

you buy refresher and ult twice and make everyone cry

[vast sandal]

the only time you stop pushing is because your team is doing Some Shit and they need you there dealing damage to something

[slender falcon]

6 billion undead

[vast sandal]

that doesn't mean pushing up lanes that'll get you killed though, if your lane is too pushed up drop your ult on it and then go start pushing another lane

[slender falcon]

okay is there anything that specifically buffs summons or do I just get a lot of spirits for that

[vast sandal]

you'll put so much pressure on the map that the enemy will basically passively start losing

[worldly dirge]

I once saw a doorman with refresher, it was even, i escaped in time only to be put back in

[autumn field]

Shes really really good at making teamfights unwinnable, really good at pushing objectives, and just make people cry because you have a hard immobilize, 12 enemies on your face, 4 zombie nukes, and you stole all of Haze's gun damage

[slender falcon]

okay so like... basically adding more minion waves, kind of?

[vast sandal]

Heroic Aura

juniper do you know the chores theory of lanes

[autumn field]

Perk of graves is you only need to build spirit resil cuz you have built in gun resil (steal theor damage)

[slender falcon]

people will not do them because laning is a chore?

[vast sandal]

no

[slender falcon]

and assume someone else will?

and if everyone does that then-

[vast sandal]

well, maybe, but that's not the theory

[slender falcon]

aw

what's the theory

[vast sandal]

the theory basically runs that when you clear waves past the ones threatening your lane objective, you're creating a problem for your opponents that they have to deal with eventually

if you kill a wave past the midpoint of the lane, that's a wave they have to clear or cede obj damage to now

if you kill two waves, that's two waves they have to clear

[gray otter]

this theory is really really good to internalize btw

what should you be doing when you're behind? farming
why? it makes you stronger and also lets you contribute to your team, even while behind

[vast sandal]

and you can't go play until you're finished your chores

[gray otter]

bc it pushes up waves and forces the enemies to respond to them

[autumn field]

However, if you have a base lurker you create a hungry hungry hippo and give them free food

[vast sandal]

"go play" means do anything else - get sinners, gank, set up for urn, do midboss if you're a gweedy gweedy goblin and they're like 5 waves behind on mid

[vast sandal]

this is not true

if you send waves to objective only to get them eaten by someone camping under that, you're not giving them more money than they'd get anyways, and they're ceding map control by doing so

so you're still benefiting by shoving the lane up to objective

[autumn field]

Fair enough

[vast sandal]

a lane that's +3 waves is also a lane you can zip all the way up to obj on

while your enemy cannot do the same

that means you can drop in and start pushing obj whenever you want

[gritty geode]

By like, minute 20 a wave at the walker is asking for a seven or wraith or even billy to devour it the moment 5 enemies are confirmed out of lane

[vast sandal]

basically, Graves passively existing makes it really easy for your team to rat enemy walkers because just by being a warm body in the match, Graves can ram lanes down to objective and force the enemy to give up map control and play defensively

and if they actively fight that all the time,they're constantly busy with that and your team has breathing room to do fucking whatever they want

[slender falcon]

So kind of like early clash royale spawners in midladder

Where you passively put pressure in exchange for not as much investment

[vast sandal]

steal sinners, steal jungle, kill people randomly, clear every box on the map for fun, strangle Rem because your team has time to catch him in your doubles

etc.

[slender falcon]

Alright, yeah, Graves sounds fun then

My kinda vibe at least

[autumn field]

Her skill floor is mostly learning to skull right and your distances

[vast sandal]

Graves is secretly besties with assassins like Drifter and Haze because putting so much pressure on the map all the time creates a lot of room for the back alley murder squad to jump people and kill them

[gritty geode]

Tfw when you find the rem in the sinners and just do this to em:

[slender falcon]

Ohhhh, because they can easily get further back in the map?

[autumn field]

Which can be learned in 2 games

[vast sandal]

Sort of, but also because the more shoved in the map is the more pressure you’re putting on the enemy team to split up and push multiple lanes simultaneously to try and get their footing back

And when they do, that’s open season for hungry vampires

[slender falcon]

I'm honestly fairly solid on this after like. 1.5 games of street brawl so I think I'll try Graves

[slender falcon]

Ohhhhhhh yeah that would also make sense

[vast sandal]

Also again

[slender falcon]

This has been very enlightening

[vast sandal]

If you’re a greedy goblin

Sometimes you can just fucking rob the enemy team of a major neutral objective wholesale because their map control sucks

[slender falcon]

Is ricochet good on Graves

[vast sandal]

I think gun graves usually prefers Split Shot?

[slender falcon]

I've taken it in SB and it seems fun but I also don't know that it's been effective

[slender falcon]

...oh, yeah, double beams on the auto aim?

[autumn field]

Splitshot is cheaper for the same job, most of the time

5 beams

Five.

[vast sandal]

It’s like 5

[slender falcon]

ohhh wait yeah 5

[vast sandal]

Splitshot Graves is a menace

That’s how you clear waves REALLY fast

[slender falcon]

5 finger grip of death

[vast sandal]

I’ve seen the double down

Where Graves wields a quintuple ricocheting ray of doom

But no one ever needs that much

[slender falcon]

😨

[vast sandal]

Like there’s literally never enough targets for it to be sensible

[slender falcon]

PvE roguelite mode in the future will make this common use, trust

[autumn field]

Spirit graves is NOT the right play imo

[vast sandal]

It’s better than it was

[autumn field]

I think shes best if you go gun green spirit

[vast sandal]

Echo Shard jar is pretty menacing

[slender falcon]

My intent is hybrid graves

[autumn field]

You do want to have spirit, dont get me wrong

But her early spike is still gun, and you really want stuff like overflow and such

[slender falcon]

Deadlock is actually so fun

I love this stupid chud-ass game so much

[autumn field]

It gets 100x better when you feel the "flow"

I can't explain it theres a point in where you just know that someone is heavy meleeing you and you parry on instinct, when to counterspell the bombbop right, when to cart your friend away, and so on

[vast sandal]

it's when you dash parry a heavy melee against a trooper and beat the fucking shit out of Paige for having the trifling nerve to take a swing in your presence

[autumn field]

There's just a point where the 200 hours of failing stands up, puts a hand on your shoulder, and goes "hey. He made a misplay. Have your dinner."

[autumn field]

REAL

I dunno how but I felt bebop trying to ult this game and ulted him the millisecond he pressed 4

I was like, "he's jumping. Right there. Im going to gank you."

[eternal dune]

Sometimes Bebop players tap in to the community braincell and are incredibly easy to read

[vast sandal]

Bebop players are not incentivized to try radically different tactics than any other Bebop

[slender falcon]

Anyone up to stack in a bit

[twilit roost]

dont fear the bebop who goes bomb as the first skill in lane, fear the bebop that knows uppercut is a powerful poke

[vivid nimbus]

The uppercut splash is huge

[gray otter]

opening hook on bebop because, as important as bomb scaling is, there are just no substitutes for A Hook in a moba

[vivid nimbus]

A hook is powerful but it also needs followup

[slender falcon]

any1 up to stack

[autumn field]

had a bit of a bad game up against mirage, holi, visc, vic

who are all annoying to lane against

[slender falcon]

fair

[cosmic cypress]

I want to try someone new

but I am a Billy Player

I just wanna ult, smack people, gain bonus health and smack people

and then NOT smack people and just magdump into their forehead while they parry

his kit is just the fucking best, and his aesthetics are The Goat

[terse aspen]

Y'all are making me consider playing Vyper again

Though I am Not Good at the funny snake

[cosmic cypress]

I would main vyper if I could slide tech properly

she's worth for voicelines alone

[terse aspen]

Truuue

[vast sandal]

I wonder why we lost

watching a teammate legitimately run it down mid and get killed by walker repeatedly is uniquely demoralizing

[autumn field]

Abrams then

Abrams is deadass just "press 1. Press 2. Run into wall. Press melee. Press shoot. Maybe Press melee more."

[candid horizon]

people have gotta stop banning doorman dawg

i just wanna nuke people with bells

[autumn field]

doorman feels... sad

[jovial jay]

The good news is the game thinks I can do well in Ritualist 5 matches, and is putting me in them (I went from Emissary to ritualist/alch for a while, finally up to rit 2)
The bad news is the 3-3-3 rule is kind of a pain;

2/10 Celeste, 2/11 Abrams

Why i'm getting ritualist 5 matches at ritualist 2 as a lesser played char though...

[autumn field]

i wanna cosplay a deadlock hero...

it'd be fun to cosplay billy, only issue is to get a billy-like goat head is not cheap at all

pocket is too hot (its midsummer) (also they're hot)

venator would be so fucking cool tho

(still too hot, summer-wise)

[undone galleon]

consider ivy or vyper

[autumn field]

problem with vyper: yes

the problem i have with deadlock (cosplaying) is 99% either "too much clothes" or "too little" (and thus hard to do)

[undone galleon]

i mean u could just do like a green bodysuit

tho at least w/ vyper, u kinda just need the head tbh

[vivid nimbus]

You could do an interpretation of human-head billy, or do goat face paint

[autumn field]

true but also california summer is 100 degrees

[undone galleon]

green tanktop

[autumn field]

fair

[autumn field]

actually works

billy is actually doable imo, his jacket + bright yellow shirt stand out a lot

replacing all the pins with limbus pins :)

[undone galleon]

yeag billys p easy

[vivid nimbus]

You could also do a mask instead of a full head thing

[autumn field]

no bat

[undone galleon]

celeste is another thought

[autumn field]

also works

im not going to cosplay celeste for a many number of reasons

silver is actually really easy to sillouette clothing-wise

jacket (fur edges), tanktop, jeans

and the silly giant dogtag

also the belt and handcuffs

i think infernus is also hella doable, it's a red shirt, vest, pants

also old infern art is so good but so, so different

tallass rem would be hilarious

also, Mcgin is literally rosie the riveter design-wise, right?

[vivid nimbus]

Definitely inspired by

[autumn field]

ngl with dynamo i feel he has a certain "tempo" he needs to play off

if you can get that tempo off, you win

and a lot of it is in your quantum spike cuz if you play right off it w/ trans cd

cuz w/ my build which is 2 greens and the rest spirit in late game, you can just gank the hell out of anyone who cant outmove your quantum

and with a 10 second CD, you basically just stomp them, push them back and repeat

if you're getting urn, pop 3 halfway through and run in

[undone galleon]

the cosplay convo was still in the mind when i saw this & i was like 'what tempo do u need to cosplay dynamo'

[autumn field]

healing tempo obviously /j

also dynamo is funny in that no matter what, i will always spike so fucking hard in late late game that its ridiculous

like, 50k souls type of late, where i can just like... deal infinite damage and never get hit and heal off the 300 damage i might take

im worried about ranking up and meeting people with good movement

hollis scare the shit out of me because all of them do 1 combo with their movement and its hard af to track

[final osprey]

Listening to music which is too slow and being laughed out of the Deadlock Con

[merry verge]

Surely we're nearing the end of the Urn Experiment

And game can return to feeling like a game and not teamfight generator

[still swan]

Whats the best part of Deadlock

[merry verge]

Tough question, many answers, opinions

The aesthetic got me in the door but like.. the movement.. the gamefeel, the mix of shoots, it all blends together so well >:|a

[still swan]

I personally enjoy the team fights (when I dont get jumped, at least(

[merry verge]

The build/team variety vs like.. League

I like teamfights as like, an event, and not a sort of ceaseless concussive orbital bombards

Every few minutes is now Forget What You're Doing, Have Incredibly Sloppy Fight

also a recent tourney had a team buy Six Eggs, hold onto the Urn for resists, and the other team fully forfeited

I like fighting! This feels unhealthy for the game

[still swan]

Fair

[merry verge]

There -is- a silly new tech where you buy Melee Charge on doorman to hit the urn through door

Maybe make it like every 8 minutes? 5 feels 'alright, the urn fight is over, now- /reset'

[lavish grove]

I think after a tournament was decided by a team holding onto urn and never letting go for the permanent resistances we can safely decide that it was kinda a failure

[magic summit]

The funny part about that for me is that like, the benefits of getting urn haven't changed

[finite patrol]

the biggest changes are the come back resists and that the souls can't get denied any longer

[rich grove]

the biggest change was that it somehow reminded people at my shitter rank that urn exists

[vast sandal]

yeah at least people play the urn now

[finite grotto]

All the side farm mine now 😎

[bleak thicket]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/668366713382765310

more urn changes

[vast sandal]

- Urn timer now gets frozen with Frozen Shelter

ice wight dead

[rich grove]

mashallah

[finite grotto]

• Parrying a trooper no longer resets your parry cooldown (however it won't end your parry early like a hero hit does)

• Parrying a trooper now stuns the trooper

No my freeze

It's slightly worse now

Wait hmm

Gotta test

[lavish shale]

about time

[vast sandal]

Frozen Shelter still cracked for urn fights tbh

you just have to try to lock everyone out of the urn instead of directly on top of it now

[vestal hearth]

https://youtu.be/O9tPBcanKMo

[slender falcon]

Any1 up to stack in a bit

[jovial jay]

deserved I had at least one w and 1 l from solely the fact that a kelvin with a brain would just level ult to steal the urn

they're also seemingly just taking a hammer to urn cheeses

and good

that night shift match was awful to watch

[late hare]

boooooo

[jovial jay]

by my count those changes mean:

1. now the team going for come back urn has to make it to depo to get buffs so they can't use it to clear objectives.
2. if the other team does knock the urn off they have an actual chance to steal it.
   3.hilding the urn for too long means when you drop it it automatically resets so you can't hold it hostage for longer than 45 seconds unless you're staying within 40m of enemies.

I'm hoping that radius requires line of sight or damage taken, but that's a good start to prevent cheese

[jovial jay]

nah that was deserved. the ult says it freezes every objective in the game precisely to prevent that kinda cheese

[vast sandal]

also freezing objectives and timers has its own value tbh

Stalling an urn that already has enemies on it can, in fact, be REALLY good

so its not like frozen shelter stopped being an incredible urnfight ult

[cosmic cypress]

Yeah, I can drop an urn and if it's contested I can freeze it to stall

It has use

[vast sandal]

its a really good use even

[plucky tusk]

You can still freeze them inside and kill them all

[vivid nimbus]

By my math you can still hold it hostage for a while, 10-12s on the ground then pick it up and drop it again, adds 2+s to the timer each time but that's still 5-6x as long

[plucky tusk]

This is more of a buff to Kevin than a nerf

[vivid nimbus]

But that's not indefinitely like before, and there's less advantage to doing so

[vast sandal]

well, ehh

[cosmic cypress]

No I can't they nerfed my spirit scaling lmao

[vast sandal]

Kelvin before could straight up steal an urn uncontestably

that was really really strong

[plucky tusk]

im low key confused by how they like

Didn't see this happening

[magic summit]

It is definitely not a buff having uncontested urns because no one got inside the domain expansion was op

[vast sandal]

I mean, it's an experiment, I think they could pretty much guess what some of the outcomes were going to be like

[magic summit]

I am guessing they were having trouble actually coding it to work yet since its brand new

[vast sandal]

with Urn Push I think that it's easy to say with hindsight that players will always be on some weird degenerate strategy shit

[magic summit]

And Kelvin dome is one of the weirder ult interactions in the game

[plucky tusk]

have you ever run it down mid for 1.23k

[vast sandal]

but hard to look at the factors involved and predict "yeah it's gonna go down exactly like this"

[vivid nimbus]

The experiment was a success because it got all ranks to urn run 😤

[vast sandal]

REAL

[plucky tusk]

The experiment was a success because it gave everyone something to hate

[vast sandal]

running it down mid with your life on the line was a monstrosity though

thank Yoshi it's over

[plucky tusk]

no literally thats what happened last night lmfao

They ran urn to mid for 1,230 us dollars

[vivid nimbus]

I think the smarter idea than just running it down would be to just make the biggest all-or-nothing plays

[vast sandal]

like last night in dlns or was something we did in a game like that and I didn't remember because I was too busy banishing people to Hell

[plucky tusk]

Putting it in mid i think was like

[plucky tusk]

laat night in dlns

Yoshi you had to see how putting it in mid was bad right

[vivid nimbus]

Because you either get the effect of running it down (which you were gonna do anyway), or you win and get more of an actual lead

[vast sandal]

also just to clarify "running it down mid" traditionally has meant inting

not dballing down mid like a runaway train

[vivid nimbus]

Oh right yeah, I was talking about inting to cause/prevent comeback

[vast sandal]

okay see at this point I don't know if we're talking about the comeback urn deathball or running it down to create the comeback advantage

[plucky tusk]

I was talking about the second

[vast sandal]

I was under the impression that the crazy dlns strat was comeback deathball

[plucky tusk]

It was but they had to run it down mid to create that situation

they bought 6 greggs and then ran it down mid to force comeback

[vast sandal]

a half-dozen eggs and some cheddar cheese call that an omelette

[plucky tusk]

But wait

Here's John pork to add a bit of taste

[vivid nimbus]

And then once comeback happened they popped all the eggs at once and had an even souls game (plus control of comeback urn)

[vast sandal]

don't you have to cede like a fair amount of material up until that point

[vivid nimbus]

They did, yes. Also gave up two walkers (held mid)

But at the point Floormen resigned MLC had taken two walkers in exchange

[plucky tusk]

They did. They inted

they ran it down mid with their lives on the line

[vast sandal]

damn

[vivid nimbus]

One of the funniest parts is, one of the Floorman players had thought about doing this sorta strat during the $10k tourney last weekend

[final osprey]

I haven't seen the stream yet, so I don't know if this is answered there.
But I wonder if that tactic was a like, paper tiger. Which seems really really frightening but might not actually be that amazing.

[twilit roost]

Behold a brief explanation https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/zUgxP2RhHL

[plucky tusk]

If you are bad at the game then yes

If you are very good at the game it's basically like buying 6.4k worth on everyone

[twilit roost]

It was abusing the resist aura from the urn and swapping it between their teammates right?

[plucky tusk]

and the other buffs, but mainly resist

[twilit roost]

Which yeah making it an aoe resist was nuts

[plucky tusk]

equivalent to buying spirit/bullet Res on everyone

Almost 40k worth of souls

[vivid nimbus]

It's a bit less than 6.4k because you don't get the low health bonus resists, but yeah

[plucky tusk]

let's call it 35k worth

Still absurd

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it's a lot

[plucky tusk]

Especially at the 15 minute mark

[vivid nimbus]

And over the weekend it was 50% resists instead of 35%, but pickup was contestable

So the winning team had to kidnap the urn to remove the resists from the picture

[plucky tusk]

yeah the key here is that the enemy had to run the urn to get rid of it and they couldn't because they would never bring the urn to pickup

[cosmic cypress]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WTGOVR0p6Yk?si=1kZtM8FhlGG7kfpM

[vast sandal]

frogged 💀

[late hare]

it's unfortunate that at least last I checked you can't rebind the ban button

my mouse just doesn't register pressing the wheel in as a third input for whatever reason, and I would like to stop having Victor in my games

[whole moon]

i wish i kept getting well behaved drifters bc i love being able to ping someone im chasing and then just hear violence sounds as i return to lane.

[cosmic cypress]

The ban button does nothing /hj

[vast sandal]

wrong

it does something but only if the rest of the community agrees to ban that character

[spring tundra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/Ojva2dng0o

[jovial jay]

hard to say. it's possible taking trophy collector and running it down for kills to get buffs with those urn mechanics would have evened out the game. but 30% resistance from all damage is roughly 6400 worth of items for all players so with even souls that still favored them a bit. I think the new urn changes are good and solve the issue by making the runner more durable and rewarding the losing team to get the deposit going for it to buff everyone.

definitely a welcome change

[vast sandal]

another Doorman game, another clip farming adventure

[clever igloo]

So I fell off of Deadlock, tried to get back in and the tech seems too much. Any good guides to getting good with modern(ish) Tech?

[vast sandal]

nothing SUPER funny happened but I did manage to hit a surprise kidnap without using ult or vortex web, which feels very good when you can make it work

[autumn field]

man it is so annoying when i could be winning but am not cuz my isp keeps lagging me out

[autumn field]

ngl find it funny how urn is now like, worlds most debated mechanic ever

[plucky tusk]

deadass i feel bad for what we did to them

[vast sandal]

I don't he saltposted in allchat after I kidnapped him into spawn

[plucky tusk]

seeing that guy die at 2 stacks was like running over a baby

Slapping that mirage stack that kills you

apollo lost money on trophy collector i think

[plucky tusk]

! LEAK !
I'm one of the people who has to work at the Victor Factory. Every time he dies, we need to build a new one. Please, spread awareness about this inhumane practice.

[autumn field]

god i wanna play more dynamo

[gritty geode]

Queing up at 11PM is just asking for a complete hell game

They got us down to the second healthbar and an absolutely heroic teamfight turned it around

[vast sandal]

the 1 AM deadlock queue-up is the real mistake

that's inviting an hour long hellgame on yourself

[autumn field]

drifter is sometimes the easiest dude ever

and sometimes the hardest pos to play ever

[final osprey]

the snowballerrrr

[autumn field]

yep

dynamo is just easy fun fun fun if your enemies dont build green enough

i might have to build spirit shredder on dyna since EE isnt the best on him (not enough procs)

[autumn field]

is anyone whose played league before here?

im tryna figure out how league jungle works and it looks confusing af

(dota jungle is fine too, just need to know how that works)

[worldly dirge]

I played a tiny bit of league, jungle stays in the jungle farming and then ganks lanes

Dont play league

[worldly dirge]

Also take what i said with a grain of salt as i played very little

[finite grotto]

do we always just have to go to league bashing? I am sorry but it get really tiring. Like its super fine to not wanna play the game or not enjoying its flavour of moba but in here it always just gets brought up as only the negative example with no merit to it. And thats a bit exhausting. Like totally fine to critique it of course, but often it does led to just a flood of negative bashing without nuance or a broader point

[magic summit]

League jungle works off a dedicated jungler taking an ability that lets them jungle more effectively, called the Smite spell, where they take all the jungle farm during the laning stages and roam around ganking. Dota jungle works off it being a shared resource that all lanes have access to and takes as they will, usually there being way too much jungle on such a short timer that it is always up and available.

Lots more details to each, especially Dota, but that is how they interact with the roles of the game

[worldly dirge]

true my bad, i honesty only say it for the meme and that is not constructive and im not going to start critiquing it now because this is no place for it

[worldly dirge]

this might have been a little unbalanced

[terse aspen]

The League jungler is also often responsible for initiating teamfights on jungle objectives (dragon pit, baron pit) because the Smite spell is also used to secure those objectives, and so trying to fight over one of those objectives without a jungler is very likely to just get it stolen by the enemy jungler.

[slender falcon]

Deadlock all-nighter tonight... or being a reasonable and sane person...

[plucky tusk]

drifter is low key a hard hero to play despite being incredibly simple just because you need to co-ordinate and pop ults well

and be able to estimate your ability to gank and 2v1

Also you gotta accept occasionally popping ult just to gtfo

Or using the forbidden russian stalkers mark on trooper to instantly leave lane

[vast sandal]

The easy part of Drifter is the execution, the hard part is gauging which fights you can take and keeping in mind that you literally don’t have a dedicated escape option built into your character

So you have to either kill everyone you engage or force them to back off / pick a new target

[gritty geode]

At least his ult's CD is pretty quick

But with the urn being such a key point of large conflict you have to be careful panic popping it if you're in danger

[jovial jay]

My understanding from this description then is that Deadlock Jungle is much less intensive, and more of a supplement to wave farm than an entire role at this stage in dev

that's also my understanding in general, but still

[magic summit]

It is closest to dota but with it being a lot easier to clear a map of farm, which is expected since there isn't a dedicated carry role that is just going to spend the first 20 minutes farming

[jovial jay]

I mean seven exists, but I take your point

[eternal dune]

Honestly I find Seven's a lot stronger early game that people give him credit for, if I were to identify anyone in the roster as a dota-esque tier 1 carry it'd probably be Wraith

[jovial jay]

Also her, but I'd say Seven's got weaknesses early game.

1 HP regen, a close range stun is his only escape tool, and his damage is crap if he invests in that

I've taken to buyuing HP regen on him every game just so I don't get taken out in lane through attrition

[autumn field]

My sibling plays league and is like, just a normal person having fun

But I call them gigi now

[slender falcon]

?

[median lantern]

Oh boy my favorite role

[autumn field]

You know exactly what I mean

[slender falcon]

I genuinely don't

Did they transition or something. What am I missing

[plucky tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/gigi-murin-murin-gigi-goku-meme-jumpscare-scary-gif-6416132076568624635

[autumn field]

Wait do you not know what the autofisters are?

[plucky tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/gigi-murin-hop-on-league-of-legends-hololive-gif-9619506896607468716

[autumn field]

I thought you were big on holo

[slender falcon]

OHHHHHHH I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS REFERING TO THAT

[slender falcon]

No I just read unhealthy amounts of fanfiction

Like genuinely absurd

[median lantern]

Basically your job as the jungler is to most effectively split your time between

• making resources in your own jungle
• stealing things from the other jungler
• setting up neutral objective takes
• getting your lanes ahead
• psychologically torturing the other team’s laners
• ignoring your team’s complaints because your priority is all wrong and you’re fucking everything up

Everyone else is in a boxing match but you’re playing checkers to get them all ahead

[autumn field]

[slender falcon]

Like I spent 5 hours last night doing nothing but reading fanfiction so it ends up that I read like. A ton of hololive fanfiction even if it's only like 30% of the fics I read

[autumn field]

Rem, for some reason

[slender falcon]

I did not know Gigi played League

Neato

[median lantern]

Rem is sort of similar but deadlock doesn’t really have jungling

[autumn field]

Hop on league is like, Gigi's thing 😭

[slender falcon]

Like the gay makeout gifs or

[median lantern]

The most spiritually jungle deadlock characters are drifter and doorman

[autumn field]

God I know WAY more holo than I actually watch

[plucky tusk]

CeCe. We need to hop on league

[slender falcon]

Okay I'm guessing the gay makeout gifs

[autumn field]

And wraith, for some reason

[autumn field]

Gigi really likes league and wants everymem to queue with her iirc

[plucky tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cecilia-immergreen-cecilia-immergreen-cc-cici-gif-14198934127050992990

[slender falcon]

Ohhhhhhh okay that would make sense

[plucky tusk]

hop on jungler cece

[autumn field]

I think they've asked Mori?

[plucky tusk]

hop on jungler

[plucky tusk]

she has

[eternal dune]

I can't wait till some extremely terrible perma-roamer strat gets popularized and everyone tries to make it happen in queue with randoms without communicating at any point.

[autumn field]

Ngl i kinda wanna see DL with actual jungle

It'd be kinda cool

[eternal dune]

River Sven will ride again, I can see it in my crystal ball

[autumn field]

I dont really comm much but only because my strat is mostly "see ally in fight, go in to ult who they fighting, leave to kill the 5 waves on mid"

[plucky tusk]

Gigi is dead insane

[slender falcon]

Anyone up to stack in like, 20 mins

[twilit roost]

Veilwalker bebop pre movement speed on bombs nerf

[slender falcon]

Or just. Whenever

It's the weekend. I need to deadlock like there's a disease in my brain that makes me incapable of pressing play on any other game

[autumn field]

Sure

[autumn field]

I saw green bebop with like, 4 purples and the rest green yesterday

[eternal dune]

Work then tabletop for me, at least today.

[twilit roost]

Tankbop has been nerfed but still viable with the heal on upper cut and witchmail

[autumn field]

Enemy team was convinced they were walling

They were just really good compared to the redt

[twilit roost]

Make sure to nab the deadlock role so you get pinged if people are looking to group up!

[autumn field]

Ive never seen the role get pinged once

[twilit roost]

Using wall hacks to run up and press 2 on someone is really funny, that's just good game sense

[twilit roost]

Oh thought weekly(ish) were getting organized via it

[slender falcon]

How do I get the role

Figured it ou-

Nvm

[plucky tusk]

deadlock wednesday is real

Biggest thing you can do is find at least a solid duo

[slender falcon]

How...

[lavish shale]

probably self assignable with the bot?

[twilit roost]

?rank deadlock in bot stuff

[slender falcon]

Ohhhhhhhh it's not usable here okay

[autumn field]

<@&1277035919182008330> anyone up to [NERF BEBOP]?

[slender falcon]

yo

[autumn field]

ye one sec am in sb

wifi killing me again

[vast sandal]

I think Deadlock should have an-

god damnit

I just realized Bullet Dance is Omnislash

I'm an idiot

[mild flume]

honestly sometimes apollo pokes feel like it

[slender falcon]

anyone up to deadlock soon-ish

[plucky tusk]

we did something odd an unusual

the entire enemy team was in all chat saying "fuck you drifter" "driver you a fat fuck" "die drifter die"

[severe loom]

You know, it's a little weird that your stats are on the left/in the orange but the objectives you took are on the right

Like I get what they were going for, but it's weird

[somber creek]

Matchmaking feels broken

I've had 6 blowouts in a row in streetbrawl

[vast sandal]

mm acting kinda strange

[plucky tusk]

most fucking locked in match ive played in a while

made it to seeker iv off that

Really hard to describe how much that march felt like I was in every lane at once

[terse aspen]

Street brawl has been like that for a while I think

I had 4 or 5 street brawl 0-3 matches in a row back before the March patch came out

[autumn field]

i dont know why but no matter what, if a game goes into late w/ less than like, 20% soul difference, I WILL start winning

went from throwing to highest souls and kills

[stable forum]

so abrams can now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1510164442850005063/599D0E1.MP4?ex=6a1bd1bc&is=6a1a803c&hm=fc4a10ca7a0c00d178af3065a48d0fc630a41dd82f5863e9b8b1364f5fd2d8e0&

carpet gravity scale applies to majestic leap. including in abrams ult.

[autumn field]

ok so thats... a whole lane?

you can snipe someone from a whole lane away

also completed my dynamo build

might remove monster

last cat shouldnt be named telefrag

i love how people just like, post bridgette randomly in dynamo chat

[vivid nimbus]

Snipe implies precision. This is a whole ass artillery strike

[worldly dirge]

Depending on what you are doing you might want metal skin instead of bullet res, for example for ulting

Monster rounds are nice, you dont do great in lane for creep clear, helps your 1

I would prio it a bit more

Also extra regen is a bit redundant due to your healing tempo

Additionally you should maybe add unstoppable to the build, indomitable will not stop 3 stuns when you ult if the enemy has counters

[merry verge]

Love the whole 'I am Going to Use My Ult' Dynamo suite, you can really commit to the bit and it's so potent

Unstopp Cheat Death Refresher etc

[worldly dirge]

I do that on mo and skill, the enemy team loves it lol

[merry verge]

The fact arcane surge is usually involved makes it such a joyous leap too

[worldly dirge]

I love a good mo and krill game, i love how much it annoys the enemy team

I have been asked how i have fun by a calico i chased down

[merry verge]

Tragically she's correct, the mole is villainous

[worldly dirge]

I basically oneshot a infernos with mo and a lash and the infernos because very salty there after, same game

Also have a clip of me clutching a urn melee last second after jumping of the zip

Got to grab that

I think i should try calico, i had some neat games with her in brawl

[mild flume]

I mean chasing people down is great fun

easy question

[merry verge]

Calico feels kind of matchup dependant, if the enemies are tanky enough she has to be soooo opportunistic

[plucky tusk]

She's also weaker now than previously

I will caution that if your main experience with her is street brawl that your experience will be dramatically different

and also that you will need to learn the cat routes

[gray otter]

TRUTH NUKE

[worldly dirge]

https://youtu.be/Rn_YmpDQnpM

[autumn field]

My build isnt an ult build, its a 2 build

To be more exact its a "bait enemy into drifter" and using 2 to just deal damage on a permanent cycle kinda build

Ult is the very last upgrade I get

[worldly dirge]

also if there is a haze and she utls you as another example

[autumn field]

Extra regen is just... a really good healing item tbh

I find with dyna you get so much value out of your 2 and knowing how to keep distance you can just, never engage in a fight on enemy terms

@slender falcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmmiolS16o0

[finite grotto]

Yoo

[autumn field]

paige mod idea

i heard honking + car crash sfx added to paige ult and was like

yep

[twilit roost]

You're cooking with this one

[severe loom]

The traffic warlock!

[slender falcon]

yoooooo

[jovial jay]

GOD DAMMIT STEVE

[spring tundra]

Geist as Dessa?

[mild flume]

yoooo shit that would work so good

for paige

[vast sandal]

paradoxed it

[vivid nimbus]

(Tourney) ||MLC winds up buying 5x divine barrier vs Pocket, and it pays off||

[finite patrol]

thats fucking hilarious

[vast sandal]

wardened it

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, in the second half of the game ||BWC was getting most stuff done off of affliction plays, but also Abrams, Rem, Silver, and Wraith all lean a lot on healing for survival||

[rich grove]

bell curve meme where it's

• buy the counter item because it counters the hero
• noooooooo buying defensive items from behind can delay your ability to do meaningful damage and cost you critical tempo in the long run, you contribute nothing to a fight and will die eventually anyway if you don't have any outgoing threat, have buying active counters be the duty of your supports instead
• buy the counter item because it counters the hero

[vivid nimbus]

The support did buy it first before everyone else

[plucky tusk]

Initiate hell is a real place

It took me 95 games to get from intiate 2 to seeker 1

[errant sphinx]

That is crazy

[plucky tusk]

It took 8 games to go from seeker 1 to arcanist 1

[plucky tusk]

i think my estimated level was just very low

But after escaping iniate i now gain +/- 1 or 2 ranks every game

[errant sphinx]

it sounds like matchmaking in initate specifically is weird or something then

i wonder how ur mmr even got that low

[plucky tusk]

Easy I had never played a moba or hero shooter before

[vast sandal]

lmfao @ this graves who hit me with "reddit build, I'm calling you out"

and then fucking tripped, fell on her face, and died

we lost this match due to disconnect but I did hit a sick clip here

[autumn field]

played some yama

i dont like yama

[autumn field]

played some mirage

im bad at mirage

(laned against graves + aim isnt the best)

[finite grotto]

I am more enthralled by the egg convo

Good shit tho

[vernal parcel]

Hell yeah , this skin honestly got me into Yamato as a character

[worldly dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1510647028173242418/IhateALL.png?ex=6a1d932d&is=6a1c41ad&hm=7c0f5df87909f0d3da8b27fffbdc6e7ee65efdb0ac6f14667c5b57a65a79fb8b&

[plucky tusk]

Don't worry about it

[autumn field]

I had a dream about playing The Lash

[autumn field]

Yknow I didn't hear the convo and I somehow instantly knew the topic

[plucky tusk]

thers no way you could know the topic

its an insane bullshit topic

[autumn field]

the first thing i was like was like "yknow it's kinda trans"

and then me remembering it doesnt exist in brawl

i talk about forcefeming apollo so much whenever i get the chance

also yesterday i interupted calico and billy having and epic battle and just oneshot cali as yama and they complained about their honorbound duel, so i went "honor does not matter as long as the seventh moon returns to new york"

(we were chill, talked about rice shower vin earlier)

[plucky tusk]

completely wrong

[autumn field]

Wuh

[plucky tusk]

Telling you is a complete bullshit discussion

[autumn field]

Tell me

[plucky tusk]

Can't

it's not a subject that should be released to the masses

[autumn field]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NNn6Ooio1Yo

[autumn field]

can someone explain why when i play mirage he never seems to perform as well as the enemy?

[cosmic cypress]

skill issue /s

but no I feel the same way, mirage on my team is ???, enemy mirage is a fucking nightmare

[plucky tusk]

you gotta learn how to be a real sick fuck with mark application and teleporting around the map

mirage teleports are one of the biggest changes you can make to your playstyle that will make the enemy hate you

[autumn field]

oh yeah i teleport like crazy

first game i got into late-mid (around 25~30k) and then i just got a moment where i was teleporting into people and just deleting them the second they tried to fight, i think billy?

having someone on aggro duty so i can just teleport and clean up is so, so good

teleport is really good for healing up too, in lane

[cosmic cypress]

The worst is less teleporting onto people and killing them but just completely macro-fucking the enemy team

No walker is safe

No lane is free

[errant sphinx]

For micro stuff I'd make sure you are having scarab up for engagements and playing around that cool down as well as trying to take extended fights and playing around your mark

[cosmic cypress]

Your Shrines Are In Danger

[errant sphinx]

In the sense that like you only want to push when you have a couple stacks already on an enemy

[autumn field]

that is hard

macro is my weakness

[quartz zenith]

macro is One Of Those Things that can take a while to build up a sense for

but it's probably the most important sense you can have

[lavish shale]

Mark damage doubles with each stack, so multi stacks hit much harder than lower amounts

[autumn field]

i find cooldown being pretty important to get

[errant sphinx]

Deadlock macro for me is like make sure waves are pushed but also you aren't bunched up with too many other people all at once

And then make sure you don't overextend when you don't know where people might be

But that's all really generic nonhelpful advice I think

[jovial jay]

Its taken me time tog et used to

What rules I've heard as guidelines are - 2 waves o f shoving puts a lane in your favor until the objective clears or the enemy does

[errant sphinx]

This is a general thing about improvement in games but I think if you want to ask for advice the more specific you go the better

[jovial jay]

2 waves, farm what you can, 2 waves, farm

Always try to farm front to back

as far towardsenemey base as you can, then peel back to safer territory to finish the jungle farm

[errant sphinx]

Because otherwise you will mostly get generic advice that everybody has heard or advice that is generally correct but not to all situations and you might struggle with misapplying it to certain situations

[plucky tusk]

something i do a lot as mirage is teleporting into walker or shrines or bgs or lane and eating them to gain huge monies and divert enemy players to kill me so theyd waste a 1v1 or 2v1 while my team was doing important stuff

its quite big to be able to constantly divert or side push instantly

[autumn field]

noted

[plucky tusk]

and you can eat walkers extremely quickly with EE+tier 3 mark

[lavish shale]

the tp also only has like 40 seconds cd when leveled

[plucky tusk]

ee gains stacks from scarabs

[lavish shale]

so you can just do it nearly all the time

[plucky tusk]

it can get even lower with TC

i usually have it around 28 by the end of the game

teleporting onto teamfights is generally not as impactful because you usually have more time to reach them

also teleporting to escape a sticky situation is always huge, especially if you manage to do it after eating bg or walker

[autumn field]

ooh icic

i like transing my cooldown to make her faster

[lavish shale]

escape teleport is big yeah, if you can get the two second of space to do it

[errant sphinx]

This is good advice but definitely what I mean that this advice could burn you if ur team sucks basically

[plucky tusk]

i had a situation last night where i kept getting 3v1d after eating objectives and using the double dash tornado to gain enough distance to teleport and fuck them over

ah

well i exclusively play 4 stack or more

[errant sphinx]

Yeah

[plucky tusk]

so if your team sucks thats a queue issue

[autumn field]

i dont have a stack yet :(

[plucky tusk]

but mirage lowkey sucks to play in solo queue

similar to drifter

very reliant on your allies not having received a lobotomy just before the match

if you want a similar experience but someone who can ignore team you might enjoy sevensies

[autumn field]

Im a dynamo main rn

He performs decently early, and is just really good mid to late

[plucky tusk]

imean

[autumn field]

I feel like im kinda hardstuck partly cuz I dont have a reliable team

[plucky tusk]

yeah hes one of the best altogether

you probably are

a good team is more important than any single player

[autumn field]

Im low alchemist

High seeker

The few games I had where there was coord we lost a lot less

[plucky tusk]

you gotta get a stack or youll be trapped

[autumn field]

Ngl i never see anyone stacking here

[errant sphinx]

I actually had better luck climbing when I did solo q over stacking but that was like a few months ago

[autumn field]

Also 2/3 stack kinda fucking sucks to play

[plucky tusk]

if you play a hard carry its way easier solo

but if you play anything that relies more team coord to pop off and cant ruin the game solo its much harder imo

[autumn field]

Pains of dynamo

[plucky tusk]

you must find your own stack and kidnap your friends

this is why those people you know are always saying hop on league

[autumn field]

I perform stupidly well solo for a teamplay character

[plucky tusk]

its not just that they want you to play league

they need people they can trust to play league

[autumn field]

I'm very good at attrition warfare

You can't touch me, and im touching you with kinetic pulses

[errant sphinx]

The secret to duo queue is if you wanna win you don't wanna be in the same lane

So you can affect 2/3 lanes of the game rather than 1

[gray otter]

but what if one of you sucks

[errant sphinx]

Personally I don't mind solo queue but you do need to like let things wash over you

[gray otter]

(its me)

[errant sphinx]

There's this tweet that's like I exclusively play support in multiplayer games and I don't get upset when my team doesn't do what I want because I've already been hardened by playing mahjong for years

[plucky tusk]

the true secret is to scream and cry at your team and blame it on reddit builds

[vast sandal]

It's not even a Reddit build

it's a youtuber build

idk I should've told that Graves I actually found this build in an abandoned IHOP or something

[plucky tusk]

notice how i didnt even say his name?

[vast sandal]

we were literally in that match together

[plucky tusk]

we weren't

[vast sandal]

ah, yeah

but you WERE on call

[plucky tusk]

i was

we were discussing the problem of domestication syndrome

which can be observed most keenly in rem players

[vast sandal]

talking about domestication syndrome and attentional redirection in human-reared animals and how it presents problems for researching language in animals while casually committing unspeakable crimes against the lane

I think that stunting that Mina's entire match so hard she couldn't reach Mina carry potential was pretty good

[autumn field]

whats the build's core, anyways?

[vast sandal]

what, for doormaxxer doorman?

the core items are trophy hunter, vortex web and cheat death

oh and greater expansion

after that you can kinda just buy whatever

[jovial jay]

^

Max door range, cheat death so you can just escape anyways, and vortex web to force people into the kidnaps

You can add knockdown and even Divine barrier for another 12% ability range, another CC and a cleanse for evil, but good luick getting that kind of money

[vast sandal]

I get HV Bullets > Opening Rounds early because it's stat efficient as fuck, replaces Monster Rounds if you want the bullet velocity more, and helps you finish people off in lane. Mystic Burst might be better for killing people with, I've been contemplating adding Veil Walker after Vortex but before Cheat Death because it's really good for sneaking up on people and killing them

[autumn field]

the youtuber build that got called reddit build

[vast sandal]

yeah that's what I'm talking about lol

now that you can't instantly cut people off with door close I think it's less a cheese build and more just a dedicated pick support playstyle, your job is to isolate people and make teamfights less fair

and it turns out

being able to drastically change the balance of power in teamfights is fucking scary and leads to fights that should be even or losing for your team suddenly becoming a blowout because Silver is in the Baroness and Haze got kidnapped and can't contribute

[merry verge]

Yeah but.. let us close the door, though. V_V

[vast sandal]

it's a rough one when people get back through the door but that's what dedicated garbage disposal door locations are for

good luck getting back up on top of the 4th story neon sign

[merry verge]

I more miss being able to save myself/others

[vast sandal]

You can still save yourself and others you just have to be more aware of like, establishing your door ahead of time if you want to use it as an emergency exit, positioning doors so they’ll send people somewhere enemies can’t follow without risking their necks, etc.

Fuck Lash though, I hate that I have to leave the door open so that chucklehead can follow me through and hit his button combo on me

[merry verge]

Everyone always follows through the door, enemies risking their own lives has never been an issue

S'just that now you basically have to put it under walker or something

or you've simply moved the fight

[vast sandal]

The other thing is that doors are a natural choke point, which means if people try to chase you through you get to line up your cart on them for free

[merry verge]

I knowwww I've been playing this fella since everyone thought he sucked, truly I wish those times were back

And like, it didn't solve his problems in pro play, it mostly just makes him feel much worse to play

[autumn field]

Also knowing how to walljump is so fucking useful

So on, I think, yellow? There's the little bridge between the two buildings

I did some really basic movement and got up there

And it saved my ass from Abrams

[jovial jay]

yep

[late hare]

been playing Warden in Street Brawl; wish his 1 had a targeter

[autumn field]

his flask, right?

[late hare]

yeah, his flask

[plucky tusk]

i will behonest strreet brawl is a really bad way to learn mirage because you will get basically None of the items that you ever want on him

[autumn field]

i just wanted to try him out in a non-standard match

[plucky tusk]

also actually more imporatant question

[autumn field]

i got like, All The Gun Ever this match

[plucky tusk]

what does your mirage build look like

[lavish grove]

he’s also such a macro focused character

[autumn field]

it was really weird

[plucky tusk]

in standard

[lavish grove]

Getting good at him requires you learn how best to play the macro game with his teleport

[autumn field]

its a beetle -> mark build iirc

[plucky tusk]

i mean most builds are for him currently

but more specifically what does it look like

items and such

[autumn field]

SN|P3R's

[plucky tusk]

id generally rec EE before ricochet

The imbues are going in scarab right

[autumn field]

yeah

i personally get titanic or active early cuz i like shooting and it compensates a little for not-so-perfect-aim

[plucky tusk]

Also an earlier superior duration is nice because it keeps mark active for longer

Which makes confirming easier

Opening rounds I generally find unnecessary

Id replace it with trophy collector

And replace extra spirit with improved spirit

[autumn field]

tracklock builds are weird ngl

[plucky tusk]

Tracklock builds are fake

[autumn field]

basil's is very interesting

it makes a lot of sense cuz beetles are strong af from my understanding

[finite grotto]

I do really like opening rounds on mirage

[gray otter]

tracklock builds are like

theyre treating this like league of legends

where you only ever build towards big items

[autumn field]

i hate the tracklock build for dynamo

[finite grotto]

if you cant go ingame in buildbrowser I do like https://statlocker.gg/builds/build-library?heroId=52 statlockers bruild browser and just look at the e6 people to see what they generally build and decide which one you like best

[autumn field]

mine for reference

[finite grotto]

where the orange?

[plucky tusk]

When I'm playing Sinclair and look at his E6 buys and it's first buy egg second buy boundless spirit third buy cheat death

[autumn field]

no

LMAO

[finite grotto]

you defo need more orange

[vast sandal]

It’s more likely than you think…

[autumn field]

i find myself just... not really doing much with orange in the first place

maybe mystic shot, maybe spirit shredder

[vast sandal]

I mean it’s Mirage

You get orange value by birthright

Buy Ricochet, live a little

[autumn field]

this is a dynamo build im using

[finite grotto]

oh

i thought we were talking mirage

[plucky tusk]

you need to get more green

[vast sandal]

Oh fuck I must’ve scrolled past something

[autumn field]

geninely speaking?

[finite grotto]

same lmao

[vast sandal]

For Dynamo my recommendation for orange power spike is like

[crisp fog]

i use tracklock for convenience. Too much reading in the actually good builds.

[vast sandal]

Recharging Rush for ya 1, Headhunter

[plucky tusk]

Genuinely you need a 3200 green item if you're going with this build

[autumn field]

i find that dynamo's HP scales so hard you dont need more than 2, maybe 3 greens

[vast sandal]

If you’re really sending it take Ballistic Enchantment on your 1 as well, but like

Idk if it’s worth

[crisp fog]

sometimes you get a build made by someone that doesn't have a lot of text and then I use those over tracklock usually

[plucky tusk]

Otherwise you're not hitting the spike

[autumn field]

the build is always trophy + spirit resil + juggernaut

[vast sandal]

Oh also Dynamo’s gun: shockingly strong out of the box

[plucky tusk]

Orange dynamo is very real

[vast sandal]

Investing in Headhunter early is surprisingly good

[finite grotto]

statlocker build library is really nice since it is just the buildbrowser from ingame but does tell you the ranks of the people

[plucky tusk]

When are you buying spirit resilience?

[autumn field]

i used to have headshot boster and such, but like

whenever i need it

[vast sandal]

Nahhh full orange Dynamo is a meme, but Recharging Rush / headshot Dynamo is a good way to get your 4.8K in orange and cook

[autumn field]

which is usually around, 20-something minutes

[vast sandal]

Because even though the damage from your gun drops off, having more stomps does not

[autumn field]

but i might have to try recharging and headshots

[crisp fog]

my experience was the opposite but also I play Paige who has a mean ass gun despite being a support

[plucky tusk]

Okay you should almost certainly buy it earlier

For the spike

[autumn field]

i dont need it

[vast sandal]

Yeah you’re comparing Dyno’s solid gun to Paige’s crime

[plucky tusk]

It's worth to pre buy and not die and be a fat fuck

[vast sandal]

Paige’s gun is like

[plucky tusk]

it's for the spike

[autumn field]

no like im being serious though

[plucky tusk]

so am i

[vast sandal]

Weirdly strong in return for fucked up deficiencies

[autumn field]

i genuinely dont need it most of the time

[vast sandal]

Ehh real shit May

[errant sphinx]

You could also get dispel magic or counterspell or idk

Healing nova

[crisp fog]

Paige cannot deal with characters like Vindicta

[vast sandal]

Dynamo only starts needing to eat his greens when it’s teamfight o clock and you want to survive the 3 piece singularity hit

[plucky tusk]

Dynamo is a fat fuck but the 4.8k spike is very significant for not getting slimed during your ult and being embarassed

[crisp fog]

Everything can be evaded even with high velocity unless you just spam

[plucky tusk]

im not saying go heavy green

But at least 1 3.2k buy is huge

[autumn field]

i also dont build my ult until the end lol

[vast sandal]

Devious

[autumn field]

this build is like, the greediest, most 1v1 dynamo build ever

[errant sphinx]

I thought it was generally good practice to reach ur main breakpoint on each category

[plucky tusk]

getting to 4.8k is just a huge benefit in general

[plucky tusk]

it is

[vast sandal]

New urn definitely makes Greater Expansion a more relevant early buy for Dynamo now

[plucky tusk]

Its a huge buff to you

[vast sandal]

Some builds will delay their Spirit/Gun spike because you really REALLY don’t use it

[errant sphinx]

On basically every build I play I focus on getting all my 4.8k spikes before getting any big boy items

[plucky tusk]

difference from 2.4k invest to 4.8k invest is +15% health to +40% health

[errant sphinx]

Sure I imagine there's strategies that want to do this

[vast sandal]

The other thing I’ll point out about eating your greens as Dynamo is that he literally gets more out of it than other characters

[crisp fog]

Most builds seem to focus on getting 4.8 early with maybe a couple of detours for key items

[errant sphinx]

But I think when you don't know what ur doing it's good to get those spikes

[plucky tusk]

Even just going from 3.2k to 4.8k goes from 20% to 40%

[jovial jay]

FR 4.8k is literally the most HP for your money, and for dynamo who's entire ult is run into the enemy team, its still real useful

[autumn field]

for me i generally find myself just... not really needing more health than what i get out of the box

lots of this is because i stompmaxx

[vast sandal]

40% extra health base on Dyno is a LOT of extra health

[plucky tusk]

It's that it's fucking huge

[vast sandal]

Like

[jovial jay]

Grab Enduring Speed so you can get in and avoid slows, Grab a 3200 or some other 1600s

[finite grotto]

It is ye but it still does depend on hero

[vast sandal]

A really astounding amount actually

[plucky tusk]

needing and not needing it are different from being a good idea

[errant sphinx]

If you are dying ever it implies you could benefit from more health

[finite grotto]

there def are spirit heroes where you can skip the orange breakpoint fully

[plucky tusk]

it is almost always a good idea to hit 4.8k in two categories rather than being at 1.6k in one category and 16k in another

[errant sphinx]

Though literally I'd just say try it out in a game and see how it feels

[finite grotto]

like MnK

[vast sandal]

Like I’m sure stomp maxxer Dynamo can just live off of his Spirit Reverb healing and his swole ass base health pool

In fact

I’ve played that, it works

[plucky tusk]

I'm saying dynamo should eat at least 4.8k greens before 20 minutss

[finite grotto]

ya

[vast sandal]

But the 4.8K spike in vitality makes him so fucking thicc holy hell

You can even buy Healbane and still get spirit power with your greens

[finite grotto]

sry did get confused again

I would say aswell to never skip the big breakpoint of greens on literally any hero

[errant sphinx]

I think every char in the game probably wants 4.8k green yeah

[plucky tusk]

Except mina

[finite grotto]

nah

[vast sandal]

The only hero with an argument for it is Mina

[finite grotto]

mina aswell

just getting like healbane plus dispel gets you there already

[errant sphinx]

Idk shit about Mina

[finite grotto]

and both just good items

[vast sandal]

But even then, you need to be able to survive fucking something as Mina and the 3.2K green movement items are good for her

[finite grotto]

but i also do suck at mina

colossally suck at mina

[autumn field]

for me 4.8k green depends heavily on the state of the game really

[vast sandal]

The colossal suck is kind of the idea as Mina

[finite grotto]

and like stuff like enchanters emblem also just boost your dmg for being a green aswell

[plucky tusk]

She only has 660 base and gets 28 every boon

Just dogshit health scaling

[errant sphinx]

Able to survive WHAT as mina??

[vast sandal]

Lmao

Phrasing moment

[plucky tusk]

the +40% isn't that impactful because it rarely stops you from getting slimeddd

[autumn field]

cuz i have games where ill be going like, 85k souls

[finite grotto]

itried to play her but holy fuck play why to agressive to be good at her xd

[autumn field]

and this is my build

[finite grotto]

i just omega throw every lane on her

[vast sandal]

You have to be able to not get killed by supports with guns

[plucky tusk]

yea but my point is that 4.8k is literally always a good idea

there's never a situation where 4.8k is the wrong choice

[vast sandal]

Ehh I don’t get 4.8k in gun as Doorman most games and I do fine but I’m also playing a very specific way where my stat breakpoints are taking a back seat to how much utility I can squeeze out of 10 slots

[autumn field]

this is something i pull off only on dynamo because i can use his abilities all in a very specific manner that allows me to bypass the need for green in much of early

[plucky tusk]

You are also barely shooting people

[finite grotto]

where da maj leap for sick ass bombs

[vast sandal]

Now that’s only partly true, early lane I’m shooting guns at peoples’ heads constantly

[autumn field]

i removed torment pulse from the build cuz you're building him more like a vindicta that uses the ground instead of anything else

[plucky tusk]

it's just worth it to be fat

[vast sandal]

I should add Veil Walker to my build

[finite grotto]

how mystic shot on doorman to proc that spellbreaker?

[autumn field]

now, i would 100% build more green if i was playing him more close range with phantom + arctic blast

[vast sandal]

Kinda woke…

Kinda genius…

[autumn field]

which are INCREDIBLY funny on dynamo

[vast sandal]

Pstrike ult really good on Dynamo

[plucky tusk]

trust me the 4.8k is big on dynamo especially early and especially in current burger box mode

[errant sphinx]

I guess what I'm gonna say is playing in a specific way is fine but generally especially for builds in mobas if you wanna improve its not a bad idea to just build what the good players do until you understand more of the games fundamentals

[finite grotto]

its amazing. def one of the bigger reasons why it is goated on yamato

[plucky tusk]

And if you're going to solo queue as dynamo you want to be able to survive the Driftuh and the mirage

[autumn field]

stand back, stomp people stomp people stomp people

[finite grotto]

2 into them for mystic right click bombs to proc spellbreaker before you do 1/3

[vast sandal]

I mean I think it’s not gonna be a matter of convincing Ivy at this point, everyone has their own aesthetic when it comes to building their main

[finite grotto]

I am sometimes wondering if mystic shot on MnK would be sick but hmm

[autumn field]

yeah im fully aware of how i can build dynamo

[finite grotto]

gotta try it out sometime

[autumn field]

and there's definitely better ways

[vast sandal]

I do think that having a big fat chungus Dynamo ult in your pocket for urn fights is more relevant now than before though

[errant sphinx]

Yeah I think people can play how they want and it's totally valid

[autumn field]

but like, this is a solo-q people-never-talk nobody-will-support-you type of build

[vast sandal]

It is truly a Ravage era of Deadlock

[plucky tusk]

I get everyone has their own style

But like

[autumn field]

i would 100% run much more green and have unstoppable, etc if i had a team

[plucky tusk]

as you go to higher rank stuff being able to not die in solo-q is more important

Health is less important with a solid co-ordinated team

[autumn field]

it's simply... i dont really die much?

there's been 1 dynamo game where i died a lot out of many

[plucky tusk]

because you can trust rem to tag along

[vast sandal]

Rem, my chud son…

[autumn field]

or kelvin

[vast sandal]

“Okay guys time to cash this urn”
The wily and calculating Paradox:

[plucky tusk]

I'm guessing that as dynamo youre probably getting like 4-5 deaths per game?

[autumn field]

depends

[plucky tusk]

on average

for a typical game rather than a stomp either way

[autumn field]

probably 6-9?

[errant sphinx]

I'm not super confident in this take but I never really vibed with the idea of playing specific characters to carry in solo q to get to high ranks then play who you really want

This isint really about what ivy said either I'm just musing

[autumn field]

which is lower than most other characters i play

[plucky tusk]

It's precisely why I don't solo queue

[errant sphinx]

I haven't really gotten good enough at enough matchmaking based team games to be confident in that take tho

[vast sandal]

I won’t lie, solo queue is a weird place and it favors just playing the hero that wins unassisted

[plucky tusk]

i want to play my chuddies not Sevens

[autumn field]

yeah i dont like soloq but when you dont have a stack of people you can trust

[errant sphinx]

No it does but I'm saying idk if you should fully go onto that path or just brave it out on ur scrimblos

[vast sandal]

Trying to bring about the Faceless Void Apocalypse is your best bet

But also

[autumn field]

its honestly better to soloq than to play duos or trios from my experience

[vast sandal]

I think people who say that generally are the type who already like doing that stuff

They already want to play a hypercarry, farm all game and then go on an unhinged rampage

The fact that it works in solo queue as well as with a team is just selection bias at work

[errant sphinx]

Yeah I see what you mean

The way I see it is no matter what I play ill eventually get better to carry games even on less impactful roles

And I'm not in a rush to see my funny number go up

[vast sandal]

Every role is impactful tbh if you are a support and all you do is funnel like 5 kills into a carry’s open mouth in the first 10 minutes you’re contributing to winning the match like crazy

[errant sphinx]

Yeah

You can also just build like gun rem or some shit if ur ahead enough

[vast sandal]

Or if you just strangle a carry to death in lane for ten minutes and make sure that they never impact the match

[worldly dirge]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/668366713382766678

yamato was put back where she was

graves nerfs

apollo buffs

McGuiness ult nerf again

silver nerf

and small pocket nerf

[vast sandal]

Okay honestly McG ult nerf deserved

That shit was traumatizing

[autumn field]

They reverted the Yama buff lol

She was horrifying

[plucky tusk]

they should have shot MCginnis ult more

[jovial jay]

Warden stays winning

in his lane