Deadlock

[errant sphinx]

Or not really an issue but like

I'm raising my eyebrow

[vast sandal]

I think if you turn in a comeback urn it should give your team a combat buff

[finite patrol]

fury road bait dot gif

(that was responding to the urn buff disappearing)

[vast sandal]

I think if you slam in the comeback urn instead of going "ok no more protection" it should give you that plus some damage on a decaying timer

[errant sphinx]

I'm confused what u mean

[vast sandal]

the buff

[autumn field]

imagine if deadlock had actual jungle or something

[vast sandal]

it's bait

right now

it makes you think you can win the fight, then the urn turns in and it's like

damn

we're cooked

[finite patrol]

thank u luna

[errant sphinx]

Oh I thought they were saying what I said was bait

Like I gave a bad take

My bad

[vast sandal]

nah nah

[finite patrol]

no you were on point

[autumn field]

ok yeah urn feels super snowbally

also nobody in my team was taking minions so i just farmed shittons of them and got to 73k souls doing almost nothing but farming

highest in the team btw

also green infern...

his damage isnt exactly the greatest

you are unkillable

but damn the damage output is kinda slow and hard to do outside of teamfights

[lavish shale]

I really would have thought the resist buff would stay until the urn is actually fully deposited

[vivid nimbus]

He has the essential dashFernus damage items in here so I think it's fine

[autumn field]

eh?

shiv is so fucking funny and weird to me

i was losing the whole round and the suddenly

basically wrecked the whole team

[merry verge]

counterpoint; emergency hatch is one of the most fun gimmicks the boy has, remove 13 second ult chicanery and make him Doors Man as he's ought to be

I could see the him-specific CD if it's shorter than 8 damnb seconds

'cause this change has mostly made it more reliable to.. Keep Doors Under Guardians/Walkers like everyone hates because if enemies can just follow you other escape routes are just Different Paths that don't change the situation

[vivid nimbus]

Rapid recharge, EE, boundless, infuser, optional spirit burn

And overflow for gun item

Oh and move speed from juggernaut too

I think it's a solid build, and compy would be swapping spirit resi for eshift (in build order, buy eshift instead of witchmail and then trade spirit resi for witchmail later)

[finite patrol]

that was a fun tournament

Definitely was the urnament

Doorman also was very sneaky and doors-mode and not very kidnap centric but it is pro play

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it was a fun tourney, and MLC put on a command performance vs LKW in the finals

[finite patrol]

they played really good tempo against a really strong late game team. ping diff aside it was cool to see

[autumn field]

oh yeah

ngl my only complaint with infern is he's so dot oriented its hard to 1v1 with him

[agile void]

I dont want to be mean

but I swear

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[late hare]

ayyy

[vast sandal]

eyy

[autumn field]

Actually

Only because deadlock is a MOBA

You could add items that grant aim assist

Or magnetism

[vast sandal]

huh

that

is not incorrect

[autumn field]

Imagine like, "spirit magnetism" as a t3 you can buy to make your shiv knives swerve into people

[eternal dune]

bullet hitbox size up item

[autumn field]

Because you can balance it as an actual item and it takes a slot

[vast sandal]

you absolutely could have homing skillshots be an item

I think that maybe people would break out pitchforks and/or torches

but it is within the realm of possibility

[autumn field]

Keep it reasonably weak and it should be fine

I think itd be interesting though, especially cause I think bebop and some other heroes have some form of it

Cuz I see his laser curve a lot, but im not sure what the cause is

[vast sandal]

jankiness with how Bebop's weapon is displayed I'm afraid

[autumn field]

Ah sad

Well either way it CAN work in deadlock

Bungie has proven aim assist can indeed be a mechanic that works in FPS games

And economy makes cheat death and such balanced

[vast sandal]

Cheat Death my beloved

It's a shame how much having inferior doors impacts Cheat Deathman

[vivid nimbus]

I'm actually unsure if it's jank or intentional stylization

[vast sandal]

could be either, Ricochet definitely causes some jank though

I think the game just tries to draw a line through some set points it decides the laser is in?

and if the points don't quite line up it shrugs

[edgy fog]

Santa left kelvin a present...
Shiv's is sad... damn
Venator STOP GIVING THE BABY GRENADES

[vivid nimbus]

It's Rem jumping into them dreaming of presents and grenades and such

[edgy fog]

Shivs is still super sad

"I like your brother too" - rem, learning too much about Yamamoto

[autumn field]

Ngl i feel bad for a lot of the people in deadlock

Like imagine being in a situation where fighting to the death is the best solution to your troubles

Also says a lot when someone's dream is getting a present from santa

[late hare]

huh, Doorman's is interesting

[jovial jay]

TBF a lot of it also just people not wanting to take the L. Infernus could try to get the bar to standard legitimately, he even has Geist backing him, but its so hard he thinks its easier to just do a ritual w/ the patrons.

You could argue he's "back sliding" into his old mob ways under the stress.

There's a whole tierlist someone made of "needs a wish to have any feasible way to do this" to "just kinda hard"

[late hare]

if it's the one I'm thinking of, they misunderstood some of the heroes' wishes

[vivid nimbus]

Few of the exact wishes are known, most are only implied

[cosmic cypress]

Headcanon: lash is in it to cure ms shelly and then rub it in bebops face for life

[finite patrol]

I have seen this theory before

its a good one tho

[somber creek]

My top 3 lash theories

1. Erase his loss to Bebop
2. Cure Ms. Shelly
3. Negate everyone else's Wishes

[cosmic cypress]

Tangential: one of my favorite vyper lines is "that's real bebop behavior"

[somber creek]

She says it like a slur

it's great

[finite patrol]

you are being such a bebop

[jovial jay]

3rd one is also more or less warden's wish lmao

[vast sandal]

"That's a real Bebop move, yanno?"

[finite patrol]

everyone who doesnt have an explicitly stated wish is a warden sockpuppet

[vast sandal]

True.

isn't Doorman's wish just to say "hi" to some old friends?

Been express mailing some more enemies to the walker, I’m honestly starting to feel like these door changes are rough but they hardly hobble the character so much as they just force you to place doors more shrewdly

Just have to use a lot more high-up door exits to prevent people you banish via cart from returning

[hallow zenith]

Been trying Radiant Regen and Spirit Sap into Focus Lens on Yamato

First game:

Up against a Lash and Ivy

We both run into eachother in lane, use all of our abilities on eachother, and leave at full health

It seems to be going pretty well, so far

[maiden ledge]

"these characters can trade in lane" the trade in question ^

[jovial jay]

He's acquainted with the patrons, though he's also doing it to spruce up the Baroness

Apparently the troubador's murders were so brutal it meant that the nearby hotels took the title of "Most haunted Hotel In the world" from the baroness

Doorman's hoping the ritual will fix that

[vast sandal]

bwuh

this Vindicta is hitting my Quantum Entanglement blip at full auto

[lavish shale]

Wait you can still shoot the little orb while Quantum Entangled?

[vast sandal]

yeah it just plinks off and does 0 damage

just played a match with the most torqued off pre-tilted lobby of all time

everyone on both sides was allcaps screaming in all chat and saying awful shit

[bleak thicket]

I hope you reported them

[vast sandal]

yeah I did

[autumn field]

so this is eskay's celeste build and i find it very interesting

it makes a lot of sense

like celeste is THE spammer, suprised i didnt see spiritual overflow in here since its kinda a funny hybrid build

[vast sandal]

there's a fair few builds for caster-type characters out there that rely entirely on base damage from skills at first and focus on improving your most reliable source of early damage you have built into your kit (gun)

[autumn field]

mmm yeah its very reasonable

normally i see stam mast on celest builds cuz they want you to abuse your movement

[vast sandal]

the logic is basically that you Do have gun at first and you Don't have reliable access to spell combos

[autumn field]

but when you're actually good at movement and can hit consistent wallbounces and can aim while doing that

i dont think you really need it

its very fun watching streamers and their habits

like i notice eidolon likes to abuse movement but likes to use their stamina in faster bursts

[vast sandal]

see I do think you might be hurting for the stamina recovery and air jump/dash distance but I can see the reasoning for opting for kdash

kdash do be nuts

[autumn field]

its gunspike celeste, it makes sense

[vast sandal]

sometimes I think about buying Stamina Mastery on Doorman again

5 Stamina superspeed doorman is just so god damn funny

[autumn field]

also

why do movement deadlockers always strafe l r l r in the air even when there's nobody to dodge

[vast sandal]

ah

[autumn field]

i imagine its some game physics nonsense

[vast sandal]

that's because they're airstrafing

see, Source engine is stupid

[autumn field]

i do airstrafe (not consistent at doing it), but its usually right + look right slowly

[vast sandal]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=184184420

there's a whole math essay here about how this shit works

although I think that they might just be doing lrlr because it's an ingrained habit to lrlr and make it harder to shoot their heads

[vivid nimbus]

It does give you a bit extra speed if you do it well

[autumn field]

Another random thought

Deadlock could theoretically make for a good framework for a roguelike game

[runic cedar]

there have been rumours that we are getting a PvE gamemode so you might be right

[autumn field]

huh

ngl kinda weird for deadlock but i respect it

i hope when deadlock comes out they keep doing the weird and crazy 3 hour long patchnotes with experiments and tests and meta shifts on the regular

[undone galleon]

tbf this is the joke abt brawl already isnt it

[finite grotto]

Normal moba stuff

[autumn field]

yeah

[undone galleon]

i dont imagine theyll majorly mess around too much w/ the main mode

but long posts abt side stuff is p eminently possible

[autumn field]

cuz like, games like valorant will be like
"removed one knife from jett"
"nerfed the movement character's movement even more"
"nerfed run & gun even more"

and that'll be a gamebreaking change

and the only patch in 3 months

i really wanna get to the elo where most matches take 30~40 minutes

instead of 50-60 on the regular

[finite grotto]

TBF valorant is also not a moba

[autumn field]

yeah im just giving an example of like, "average fps game patch notes"

even if it's like, overwatch with hero swapping and all that

also something i dont like is how bot matches work cuz their skill levels are all the same and what ends up happening is you, the player, will snowball most of the time, and then get maybe 5k ahead then your bot team will rush their base and win 20 minutes in

[finite grotto]

I assume it's gonna be Dota frequency with like big patch every 3-4 and small patches every month-ish? (If that sounds vaguely correct for Dota patch frequency)

[autumn field]

reasonable

from my memory with like, every single hero-based game ever is that they're so unwilling to change the experience up or lean into what makes x thing cool

and deadlock changing everything so often feels so good

[undone galleon]

tbf thats also bc deadlock has that leisure

albeit now that this playtest has gotten so many eyes, i can only hope the team maintains that resolve

[autumn field]

true

also one of the perks is deadlock having a massive lgbtq + furry + generally just nicher community which helps a lot with the experience

(and how people react to patches)

the toxicity is suprisingly light

[finite grotto]

Out of game

[finite grotto]

It is a crazy mix together with the stereotypical russian Dota % playbase

[plucky tusk]

One my friends is russian and when we play with him we get a 50/50 on English or russian servers and they're cooking up some forbidden russian viper builds

[lavish grove]

Chat, when did Geist get a massive silence on her ult?

[final osprey]

March 6th

[lavish grove]

Thanks

[worldly dirge]

Had 2 games since urn changes and its a mess

Pure chaos, Kelvin just wins urn

Also mcguiness gun hurts allot in lane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1508490270117724220/image.png?ex=6a15ba8a&is=6a14690a&hm=90b6237a87e83da49de09954ff745e74e855c2e659a8cb294741afccd33a4edd&

[jovial jay]

Yeah I've got Kelvin as my "avoided" hero RN becuase he's just broken. His ult is explicitly supposed to disable objective progress when used on them and make immune, it not doing so for urn I think is not intended

[merry verge]

It does have kind of a 'if you don't have a Big Teamfight Ult you're actively weakening your team' feeling

well some abilities bridge the gap, Pdox bombs etc

But it feels So Constant

[vivid nimbus]

Para ult is also great for teamfights

[merry verge]

oh right they made it aoe

[vivid nimbus]

At T3, but it's still good before that IMO

But yeah teamfights out in the open atop the bridge is a bigger buff to spirit Lash than getting 5% more damage on ground pound

[jovial jay]

Heck to warden and melee chars too

it does force a lot of fights

I think the urn position could change, but having to guard the urn is a good thing for forcing engagement

[candid horizon]

doorman gojo mod may be tech

[whole moon]

i think its also only on her t2? so if she's not building for it you might not see it the first few times she swaps you

[lavish grove]

Yah it’s on her t2

[slender falcon]

fuckass PC managed to accidentally close deadlock and now I'm banned from playing for the next 5 hours

[jovial jay]

Climbs back into ritualist

"Ah the 3-3-3 rule, I forgot about you"

The haze and I tried but my god

That fern was bad

and I am no longer ritualist again

[autumn field]

333 rule?

[jovial jay]

for every 9 games in a moba: 3 you will be carried. 3 You will get wrecked by the enemy or feed. and 3 are winnable based on how well you are doing

[vivid nimbus]

I originally heard it as the 4-4-2 rule in LoL

[autumn field]

checks out

[vivid nimbus]

Which I think was derived from the idea that there's a 1/5 chance it's your lane that's the tipping point, and a 4/5 chance it's one of the other four positions

[cosmic cypress]

Current scare: Fed Seven Ulting on the Urn

[twilit roost]

He finally joined the osic?

[still swan]

He sold out.........

[lavish grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uTPNrjXFMA

[vast sandal]

I just want to play Doorman please

6 matches running now where I can’t play my favourite character

[finite patrol]

banned or are you losing the priority roll?

[vast sandal]

Both

2 matches where I lost prio and 4 where he was banned

[merry verge]

The good ol' days of Like A Few Months Ago when nobody really cared about the lad v-v

practically had a prio token

[jovial jay]

laughs in warden main

the good news is I always get my character

the bad news is he can't carry games

[merry verge]

13 second ult CD was a fun experiment, we can change that back and return doors to normal please

[jovial jay]

or at least not as easily as Victor or seven when fed

he can be nasty

[finite grotto]

https://youtu.be/csOr16An8Xc?is=9p3bYujO11AwJ1qs

Now that I know this exists I want a version for deadlock

[vast sandal]

this is why I hunger for the secret shop update

[jovial jay]

Clearly, dying with the Egg should leave the souls for your killer

[rich grove]

https://youtu.be/B_qnI1WrlnU

@ deadlockers

• Urn drop off point is moved from the above bridge in the mid lane to under the bridge in the side lane
• Urn timer extension when contested increased from 1.25s to 3s
• Urn deposit timers for favored/neutral/unfavored increased from 3/5/10s to 5/10/15s
• Urn comeback bullet and spirit resist auras reduced from 50% to 35%
• Urn pickup spot is now where the old comeback drop off spots were for when your team is behind
• Urn runner no longer has sprint disabled
• Urn runner now has max sprint acceleration
• Urn runner now gains +2m Sprint, +1 Stamina, +10% Dash Distance and +15% Stamina Regen
• Urn runner for the team that is behind now gains an extra +4m Sprint
• Urn collision radius increased by 20%
• Various smaller urn holding timers and variables adjusted to account for the new location

Please continue to give feedback on the Urn as we work through iterations on it.

from the big yosh

[vivid nimbus]

Huzzah!

Shifting the pickup spot instead of the dropoff is interesting too

I basically like every change here

[finite patrol]

they changed both pickup and drop off?

am I reading this wrong

[somber creek]

Can Kelvin still ult it?

[vivid nimbus]

Pickup is the same for neutral urns, but shifted for favored urns

[vast sandal]

goated urn update

[finite patrol]

oh I get what you meant now

thank you

[vast sandal]

so now favored urns are easier to pick up for the team that's behind

that's awesome

comeback mechanic actually helps losing team come back

[jovial jay]

That's actually a very good change for making it more comeback friendly

As it was even under old urn what smarter teams did was just go "Ok urn spawns this lane, and its their favor, so just camp it, and they can't use the comeback mechanic"

now being an easier pickup forces the winning team into riskier positions to stop the pickup, or to dedicate people to guard pickup, giving a losing team a chance to take other objectives

[vivid nimbus]

Looks like Kelvin can still dome it, but the longer urn turn-in time helps balance it

[edgy fog]

Urn baby urn

[autumn field]

one of the saddest things about para is that i cant build pure spirit from the getgo

[lavish grove]

Chat, can anyone test if they fixed mystic expansion?

[autumn field]

tried gunspike para

i dont like it

its good but i dont like it

not one bit

i did quite decently, just the whole enemy team was a bit better

[vivid nimbus]

Update based on watching scrims and listening to commentary: Might be too comeback friendly for coordinated play, so probably isn't staying

Too easy for the losing team to grab the urn and then use it as a resistance beacon until they win a fight

[autumn field]

first game on drifter

he's kinda really easy

only problem is my movement isnt good enough

if i had a stronger soul lead on him i wouldve gotten carpet

[vast sandal]

have been demoted to seeker 6 now

you know

I really would just like to play a hero I'm good at

but apparently that's not fucking allowed

[slender falcon]

Wait is Paradox not meant to be a gun character

[vast sandal]

not really no

her gun is alright

[slender falcon]

My ability to enormously misjudge character kits strikes again

[autumn field]

paradox is early gun, mid hybrid, late spirit

her gun scales incredibly well in early, but falls off hard in late

[slender falcon]

That makes sense

[vast sandal]

game seven

[slender falcon]

How do I learn econ without dragging my entire team down in standard as a clueless fuckass

[autumn field]

so most builds focus on opening rounds + headhunter, etc, and take crippling headshot + toxic, for instance

but then in mid and late, enhanced duration, esc exposure, cooldown, echo shard, etc

and a lot of green

paradox's green game is suprisingly good

[terse aspen]

How are you with youtube videos?

I know there are videos that explain macro strategy

[slender falcon]

It kind of depends on how complex what the video is explaining

[terse aspen]

Ok

The videos I saw broke "macro strategy" down into a bunch of smaller concepts for different points in the game

[slender falcon]

Like, the more complex the more I feel I just need actual experience for it to work out on top of simple guidelines to learn wjth

[slender falcon]

That could be helpful

[autumn field]

mina... damn her green does kinda suck ass

[lavish grove]

What’s with the weird ability icons?

[terse aspen]

So, the guidelines I'm usually thinking about are:

• The most important thing is to take objectives (walkers, urn, mid boss, etc.), but that usually isn't possible, so don't try to force it.
• The next most important thing is to earn more souls than your opponents.
• The best ways to earn souls are: clear wave, take objectives, take sinners, take boxes and camps in between clearing waves, kill enemy players.
• Farming is more useful than dealing damage to players unless you're sure you can get a kill. Dealing damage doesn't give you souls unless you get a kill, and even then it's better to think of it as a way to give you space to take an objective or farm more aggressively.
• The team overall gets more souls if everyone is off getting souls from different sources instead of teaming up. This means that solo pushing a side lane gives a lot of souls. It also means you shouldn't join someone who's solo pushing if they aren't about to get into a fight. Doubly so if they're jungling instead.

There's a lot more macro strategy in the game than that, but that's what's usually running through my head as I'm planning my next moves.

However, bear in mind that I'm Alchemist I, so not exactly playing at the highest tier of play, and I also usually play solo

So your mileage may vary

[lavish shale]

I mean ultimately its mostly getting Lane farm when you can
And doing camps and sinners in between

Urn is huge for overall souls

Especially later in the game

[autumn field]

its a zzz mod

so zzz buttons

very sane and normal drifter build

[lavish grove]

Neat

[slender falcon]

I cannot get the timing for that fuckass box right and it pisses me off so bad

I've been told the timing but it just. I can't put it into practice for some reason

[lavish shale]

Wind up the heavy on the third to last bulb

[jovial jay]

3rd from last light is suppsoed to be timing and even I still whiff it

[slender falcon]

I've been doing that in the lobby as practice and still fuck up

[autumn field]

whats the default melee keybind again?

[slender falcon]

Q

[terse aspen]

Anyway, as far as videos, I think Deathy has some decent videos breaking down macro strategy? Right?

[slender falcon]

Video games would be so much easier if I had a third hand so I could use half of my keyboard for binds while one hand had mouse and the other managed movement

[autumn field]

iirc eskay's binds are Q ability 1, E ability 2, and control for ability 3 (i think caps lock would be better, personally)

and those are great binds

i prefer using 1234 but im a bit of a psycho

and then for melee + parry i use the side buttons

some people like to bind stuff to scroll

[vivid nimbus]

I do QEC4 for abilities 1234

I am possibly deranged here

Items are ZX12

[terse aspen]

I use default binds for everything except melee, which I bound to a mouse side button

[vast sandal]

7 lose streak

7 matches where I don't get to play doorman

I'm in Hell

[stable forum]

the secret is everyone is a gun character

[terse aspen]

I was about to make a joke about Gun Paige, but honestly, if Rem can get away with it...

[vast sandal]

I sure love how I invested a lot of time and energy into getting good at Doorman and really enjoying playing that character so I can never play him again because the community has decided playing him's illegal

https://tenor.com/jRBHXejmpdB.gif

[stable forum]

is more 'everyone likes to build an amount of gun'

[autumn field]

what a mood

[vast sandal]

also love how I managed to go on vacation right at the same time as the ranked soft reset so now I can log on and not play my main and lose match after match and get sent to fucking Seeker

[autumn field]

i dont know who tf i play anymore ngl

[slender falcon]

My setup is 1 - 1, 2 - M4, 3 - Alt, and 4 - 4 i think

I have changed no other binds

Perhaps I should do a full remap

Or turn on character specific binds

[autumn field]

no need really

only apollo players use it to bind the triple fuckass stabathon to rmb

it might be better to try new binds

[slender falcon]

Actually the only character I would do this for is Grey Talon and I can't play him for shit and my issue isn't the binds

It's the everything else

[slender falcon]

I'll figure out something convenient for me

....I wonder if you can train thumb dexterity specifically

[autumn field]

you can

[finite grotto]

I have 1,2, Mouse 3, 3

[autumn field]

gonna test q,e,caps,f

[autumn field]

hmmm

new movement tech

dash -> ability -> dashjump

costs only 1 stam

[ivory reef]

Hey. This is road rage posting plain and simple

[ivory reef]

QERF for me, like in every game I play

[still swan]

Been playing Abrahms, actually liking him

I like the Big Punch

The Dash-Pound-Slap

[ivory reef]

It's mad to me that games waste a keyboard key for reload and interact

I reload with scroll wheel

[finite grotto]

Scroll wheel up is item slot 1 and scroll down is item 2 for me 😌

[ivory reef]

That's good tech

[worldly dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LKDjwW7-bTs

[gritty geode]

This is some serious gourmet shit

[late hare]

somehow didn't get mvp for this despite being on a 12 killstreak but

we run these streets like a marathon

[slender falcon]

Time to start playing classic rounds

I think I will try playing either McGinnis or... Paradox? Maybe Venator?

Is Venator like, close to pure gun or nah

My intuition tells me it's "take the spirit items that help further boost your gun" but I really don't know at this point

Anyone up to stack in a bit?

[gritty geode]

Venator is pretty much entirely gun in my experience unless you're doing the nefarious shotgun build where you are melee and gun

[lavish shale]

Venator is about the purest gun you get

except for maybe Rapid Recharge shenanigans

[jovial jay]

All his abilities scale on gun except for the trap, so yeah, is 90% Guns and Greens, 10% recharge shenanigans

best he gets from spirit is some slight resists

[final osprey]

Venator is the most gun character. Like generally doesn't even take that many greens to my knowledge

[vivid nimbus]

Abrams had a similar KDA, more obj dmg and healing, and almost definitely a higher (invisible) CC score

[vast sandal]

tenth match no doorman

[slender falcon]

my deepest condolences

[vivid nimbus]

What’ve you been playing as your backup?

[vast sandal]

Paradox and Lash right now

also Calico

feels bad going 22/7 as Calico and team doesn't know what an objective is so you still lose

please bring back priority tokens

[twilit roost]

Have you tried selecting infernus/mina/seven at low prio to game the matchmaking system?

[vast sandal]

?

[twilit roost]

You keep door man as your high priority pick but for your other two heros you pick very popular ones

That should help you force getting doorman

[lavish grove]

After a bit playing with new urn

It’s way better now

But still a little awkward

[final osprey]

The locations being in the side lanes feels so much better. Also it being on low ground.
Don't know how to feel about the comeback urn changing pick up site, haven't gotten a chance to play enough yet

[jovial jay]

I like it, I've heard pro players concerned about it, but for average players, it makes a comeback more possible by giving agency to the losing team

[slender falcon]

how it genuinely feels to have a match cancelled by a single unfilled slot

[terse aspen]

I mean, better than having that player go AFK after loading in

[slender falcon]

okay so I loaded into a game and 4 people just. disconnected

[vivid nimbus]

RN the top three are Graves, Haze, and Seven

[still swan]

Like, how strong they are?

Or are they the most banned heroes

[rich grove]

most picked

[still swan]

Gotxha

[vivid nimbus]

Most picked yeah

Then Yamato and Mina for the rest of top 5, while Fern doesn't make the top 10

[merry verge]

Graves balance is so volatile

[twilit roost]

Didn't know Yamato was so high pick wise

[rich grove]

she recently got buffed to the moon

[finite grotto]

Sadly

Taken from me so often 😭

[sharp osprey]

How well does Deadlock run? Do I need a beefy PC?

[sharp osprey]

oh goody, my laptop doesn't even have a graphics card

[lavish shale]

Yeah it's not gonna run well on integrated graphics

[late hare]

new urn is making Kelvin a bit more relevant I feel

do Viscous punches switch over urn?

[lavish shale]

I'd assume so

[slender falcon]

gonna queue again and pray half the lobby doesn't bail

I'm not queueing 5 minutes to try and relax

[vast sandal]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOO

THEY LET ME PLAY DOORMAN FINALLY

12 MATCHES LATER

traumatized the enemy lane, got a triple kidnap and the opposing team got so mad they just ran down mid until they got the walker

quote of the match: "Doorman I'm starting to understand why Lash was tilted calling you names, that's so fucking mean"

[slender falcon]

wishing you a many more bullying lobbies with doorman

[vast sandal]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v_CKWi5ra2Ods4GunCfFfn-tPFdQoE_1/view?usp=sharing
@ivory reef mom check it out I hit a clip

[upbeat perch]

as someone who hasn't paid attention to details in months: has doorman cart always been able to send ppl through portals? (thought carts can never go through portals, or did i misunderstand what went on and it was merely the knockback distance being far enough to not need cart to go through door?)

(also found the clip sharing tech different enough from popular ones that i chuckled)

[finite patrol]

Yes

cart has always moved people through doorway

[upbeat perch]

gotcha

[vast sandal]

cart has always let you throw people through doorway yeah, it's just that people got better at figuring out scary places to banish to; also specifically URN is never allowed to pass through a doorway

[upbeat perch]

tbf it's probably nearing 100% confirmed that i was just failing to read the description and or patch note correctly to create false memory. also probably just not practiced enough to do so in very initial tests day 1 trying to figure stuff out

but that's really nice to hear, i was just under the impression there's extra teamwork needed to throw opponents through doors (like coordinating an abrams charge or something)

[vast sandal]

Abrams charge actually makes it way easier to send people to horrible dark places

[ivory reef]

... a google drive link of a recording of someone pressing play on a recording

[vast sandal]

listen

[ivory reef]

this is an incredible psychic damage combo

[vast sandal]

listen

[ivory reef]

i'm impressed

[vast sandal]

I don't have video editing tech right now

so the best I can do is just screen record the replay

[ivory reef]

this is a steam recording right o.o

[bleak thicket]

youtube is right there

its free

[ivory reef]

wasn't there an export video file button?

regardless, i'm watching

[vast sandal]

nah I used my graphics card's built-in recording functionality

[bleak thicket]

that should still have a save or export thing

the nvidia one does at least

[vast sandal]

listen at some point I'll properly compile my clips and put them on youtube

probably

[ivory reef]

okay that clip is sick

[vast sandal]

thanks lol

this is what they banned Doorman for

[ivory reef]

ohhh this isn't a steam recording it's just the deadlock replay I'm guessing

[vast sandal]

yeah

I didn't record the match as it was happening so I just rolled it back with the in-game replay system

[rich grove]

its sad there isnt even an ingame option to disable the spectator HUD while viewing replay

[vast sandal]

yeah I would've tried to make it suck less to look at if there was a better way lol

[median lantern]

Hit Lash with that

[vivid nimbus]

Is this a HighFleet meme?

[median lantern]

||yes||

[autumn field]

playing drifter and im convinced he's the easiest hero ever rn

tbf mcgin did kinda carry but i had everyone sitting in respawn when they werent trying to get back to lane lol

[vast sandal]

Drifter has a wacky power curve

[autumn field]

you feed him just 1 kill in early then he gets fed a second and third and fourth...

[vast sandal]

the truth is that you don't have to do shit well and you can still get insanely juiced on Drifter passive stacks by just lurking around fights

[autumn field]

31 minute game

[vast sandal]

so all you can do is try to end the game before Drifter is a giant fucking problem

the flipside of this is that Drifter himself is on a clock until everyone just buys some combination of plated armor / disarming hex / etc. and he gets shut out of the game entirely

[autumn field]

My earlygame has literally debuff remover just because bebop, etc exist

My main issue with killing is it's not as efficient as farm

Which is a really funny problem

[vast sandal]

only semi true

[autumn field]

Also luckily APR exists

[vast sandal]

killing enemies AND getting lane farm is more efficient than either

[autumn field]

True!

Who else has an easy to aim gun that can just turn brain off and farm + shoot...

I'll try seven

[magic summit]

No

[rich grove]

WACK

[terse aspen]

How does the new urn work, actually?

[jovial jay]

I assume this is because of bomb bop?

if so quick note for bebop specifically counter spell is a better thing, because it can counter the damage taken from double bombs and buff you since the 1 second window will hit both bombs

it can also potentially counter his hook and uppercut

[autumn field]

just any debuffer in general

mirage, infern, etc

its also easier to just pop it

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDYG1qtEcik

[autumn field]

Hmmm

I dont like spirit graves

She just doesn't jive with me

I much prefer hybrid

[unique scarab]

Played some Street Brawl and got Seraphim Wings for the first time while on Lash. Got to spend the entirety of the final round just doing this every 10 seconds

[finite patrol]

aaayuup

seraphim wings lash / celeste is fucking hilarious

[autumn field]

guess who this build is

[gritty geode]

this is billy's patch boys yall just playing in it

feels good

[vast sandal]

yo REAL

melee heroes are eating GOOD this patch, the splashier the better

[autumn field]

God 2 monitors slaps

[gritty geode]

I've finally joined the church of the light melee on billy too

Beating police and small animals Rem to death in an allyway

[glass flicker]

Just got out of a 9 minute round 3 of streetbrawl

That was hell

[vivid nimbus]

I had a half-hour SB match once

It was grueling

[cosmic cypress]

I just played a game with massive lag spikes

thankfully I was mo and skill

I deserve this

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1tot9e2/theyre_saying_its_the_longest_urn_fight_ever/

This was surreal to watch

Haze and Mina died three times in that fight

[merry verge]

Melee Lag feels turned up to maximum lately

Makes me feel less crazy when streamers also catch it though

[final osprey]

I think it's probably the same but more noticeable because there's an objective to do entirely with punching it a while bunch

[merry verge]

This was over by the secret shop, got caught -after- jumping up out of the grate from someone below

Survived but game, pleas

[worldly dirge]

i love bluetooth heavy melee

[slender falcon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/CmV1IS3-26E

[worldly dirge]

i was unkillable as apollo

[lavish grove]

Chat, my entire team just got kicked out a match and now we can’t rejoin

Anyone else see this bug?

[worldly dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146486946705711206/1509242517751726121/image.png?ex=6a187720&is=6a1725a0&hm=fad57148374c49d65d6c6fa1dccba6ab431267e652e6a3d42a56d555cd19fd06&

@ArtistNcs pretty sure

[vast sandal]

Happened to me last night but my team was able to rejoin from the escape menu

Deadlock servers are behaving a little bit unstable

[lavish grove]

Weird

[plucky tusk]

they finally set me free

I escaped initiate hell

[vast sandal]

now you can play with the REAL deadlock players

[plucky tusk]

it has taken so long to be free and now I'm probably gonna get like three ranks in one game

[plucky tusk]

Plays 30 games as mirage: one rank
Plays one game as drifter: two ranks

[vast sandal]

that is how it works roughly yes

[autumn field]

i think i ranked up cuz i have a 100% drifter wr over like 3 or 4 games

and my first abrams game is hell

[worldly dirge]

give mo a try and watch your rank grow as the enemy team insults you lol

their not called mo and skill for nothing

[vast sandal]

mo and skiiiiillll baby

[autumn field]

i dont like m&k

[stable forum]

...Tag Along is not interrupted by Silver's Boot Kick while Wraith's teleport and Infernus's dash etcetera are.

[autumn field]

really dont like when you get a game where everyone but 1 person is behind by a fat amount

and i think i just ranked down

[slender falcon]

Time to try playing a standard match again

Let's hope my entire lobby doesn't vanish

[gritty geode]

I do enjoy mohammed and Kareem but their playstyle does miss out on a lot of what DL can offer

[late hare]

I have crawled my way up a rank yippee

the ultimate recipe for success; just play Kelvin

[slender falcon]

Why do people call them this

[vast sandal]

moshe and kfir

[plucky tusk]

manager and krilliam

[twilit roost]

All the possibilities of names

[vast sandal]

michael and kiaran

[plucky tusk]

mihael and Kowalski

[vast sandal]

basically, localizing Mo and Krill to different cultures/regions is a meme

[plucky tusk]

Mauna and Kea

[vast sandal]

manager and krill is the goat I fear

[twilit roost]

Mohammed is just a likely full name of Mo and krill has to have a matching one and maybe because of how many builds buy magic carpet

[vast sandal]

mohammed and kareem is indeed a joke about magic carpet

mo is canonically maurice, but mohammed and moshe and etc. are all really good bits

[plucky tusk]

manager and krill is unmatched beast mode

[gritty geode]

Mangle and kill is another

[twilit roost]

That's their pit fight name

[plucky tusk]

djinni Steve

my personal favourite 3 joke names are manager and krill, djinni Steve, and da dwiftuh

[vast sandal]

No and Skill is the classic ofc

Djinni Steve the Bug Pervert and Da Dwiftuh are recurring characters in the stack

so is Kevin the Terrorist

[plucky tusk]

And lil' chuddy

[vast sandal]

and Pair O' Socks ofc

[gritty geode]

And then doorman is just jerma

[plucky tusk]

you're acting like every game we play doesn't have your doorman accused of ties to a certain fellow

[cosmic cypress]

I call them mo and skill because I was lagging so hard people were teleporting and I still went like 16/1

Just press buttons

[slender falcon]

Did this fellow perhaps paint

[vast sandal]

"I know you were on little saint james"

[gritty geode]

What's funny to me is that I keep ending up with total piano builds on m&k where im tracking 4 active items

[plucky tusk]

my djinji Steve is typically like

Very normal and chill early game with a lot of bugs

And then at 32:30 I inexplicably ace the enemy team simultaneously

[vast sandal]

that's the Mirage experience in general tbh, nothing unusual starts happening until the hypercarry spike hits

[plucky tusk]

it's beautiful

I've gotten much better at ganks on him tho

So now I frequently appear where o shouldn't be

Oh yeah and tornado urn

[vast sandal]

Mirages who know how to teleport into a juke room are terrifying

[plucky tusk]

I have mastered the tornado deny

I was very da dwiftuh last time I played him

[autumn field]

dynamo is fun af

[plucky tusk]

our viscous yornmad at me because I quote "don't really have a build so I'm just buying things"

[autumn field]

i think i would pop tf off if i had a duo tho

[slender falcon]

anyone up to stack rn

[autumn field]

cuz i need an executor like a para or a haze or anyone to help me shred

[slender falcon]

I wanna play standard but I do not trust full public lobbies

[autumn field]

and well, uncoordinated teams kinda suck

[plucky tusk]

I ended at 12/12/16

average dwiftuh activites

[autumn field]

enemy team was just better coordinated and pushed properly

[plucky tusk]

i was trying spirit drifter

[slender falcon]

I want to play Haze but I just fucking whiff the sleep dagger and experience all 5 stages of grief simultaneously every time

[vast sandal]

hmm

I guess I could play one more match

[autumn field]

thats a mood

[slender falcon]

3 stack?

[slender falcon]

I've been doing more venator and he feels. enjoyable I think. simple. but enjoyable

[vast sandal]

fuck it

making a VC let's play a pickup match

[slender falcon]

alr

[autumn field]

lets fucking go then

[plucky tusk]

Welcome to the stack
We got:

• The Doorman
• Lil' Chuddy
• Wanted Terrorist Kevin
• Djinji Steve and his Pervert Bugs
• Moseph and Krilliam
• Pageant

[terse aspen]

If you play a second match I would be interested in joining

[worldly dirge]

When i kill a rem there is a small chance i say rat in all chat

[lavish grove]

I feel like every new fucked up deranged farming strategy is discovered by wraith mains

[stable forum]

wraith gets the sprint speed

and the teleport

[gritty geode]

She also cant just ball on em like seven

[autumn field]

i am so fucking fed

damn that was incredible

loved the enemy bebop, was a good challenge

[still swan]

Did you do it offscreen

[autumn field]

my standard build is so fucked

[autumn field]

?

[still swan]

Blackbeard

Bad joke

[autumn field]

lol

[cosmic cypress]

Who needs greens when the enemy is fucking obliterated

[autumn field]

genuinely though, i have 5k hp and 3 healing + quantum spam just removes the need for healing if the enemy isn't capable of "dodging" it

[cosmic cypress]

Genuinely yeah

[vast sandal]

Dynamo has good base health growth

you can get away with buying very few greens on him

HOWEVER

if you're committed to the bit

if you believe

[cosmic cypress]

Late game dynamo is hell, you get stomped once for like 800 minimum

[vast sandal]

you should buy Majestic Leap

[autumn field]

lmao

[vast sandal]

it is absolutely, 100% an item purchase that just says "I think I'm goated and can land a game winning catastrophe ult"

and you know what

you should do it

because Dynamo majleap ult is fucking terrifying

oh also consider Diviner's Kevlar

[autumn field]

i wanted to do it so bad cuz bebop

[vast sandal]

Singularity makes you really vulnerable, the extra thousand HP helps a lot

[autumn field]

i solo ult people more, or do 2v1 ults

[vast sandal]

See

[slender falcon]

I did kind of dogshit but also I only have 15 hours so it's ok for now

[vast sandal]

Singularity wins team fights if you save it

[autumn field]

teamfights were rare this round and my specialty is 1v1s and 2v1s where i can troll with pure positioning, quantum repositioning, and so on

[slender falcon]

I'll be concerned once I get 150 hours and am still dogshit

[autumn field]

im doing decently only 250 hours in

i absolutely will zipline into a teamfight and ult 4 people

also fuck sinclair

[vast sandal]

I’m on 400 hours and I am definitely still dogshit at Deadlock but at least I can kidnap people as Doorman real good

[autumn field]

i go out of my way to kill sinclairs first if he exists

silver? just dont be there, they're slow as shit

graves? same thing

[vast sandal]

I mean yeah Sinclair hardcounters all the good team fighting disables in the game

[autumn field]

sinclair is the ONLY person who i hate

[vast sandal]

They steal Lash ult, Dynamo ult, fuckin…

[autumn field]

thank god for the like 0.2% pickrate and 47% WR, nobody likes him

[vast sandal]

Love it when ally Sinclair steals bird

[slender falcon]

if anyone is up for a match later tonight I kinda wanna try doing some McGinnis

[autumn field]

graphs show how fucking absurd my lategame is

[slender falcon]

oh also question

McGinnis wall

how do I use it without accidentally fucking over my team and making them really mad at me

[vast sandal]

You can’t

[autumn field]

you just have to learn to use it right

[vast sandal]

All you can do is try to make as few mistakes as possible and immediately drop wall if someone asks

[slender falcon]

fair enough

[autumn field]

most people dont wall super often as a result

at least in lower elos

[vast sandal]

But there is one really good wall no one will object to

Which is offensive pushing wall

[autumn field]

my main problem with dynamo is that he's a bit team reliant

[vast sandal]

You block your own minion wave ahead of an objective to let them ball up and set turrets behind it then release it and flood the lane objective with bullshit

[slender falcon]

ohhhhh that does sound fun

[vast sandal]

No one will complain if you do this and it rocks

[autumn field]

my team was doing good enough to 50/50 for the most part, which meant i could ruin the balance and 2v1 while everyone else was fighting

[slender falcon]

5 billion minions

[autumn field]

dont do it vs enemy dynamo though

[worldly dirge]

Stay away from me please

[autumn field]

dynamo will eat the whole wave in 2 seconds

[vast sandal]

Eh, even against Dynamo it’s very whatever

He’d eat the wave anyways and you get a chance to place safe turrets

[autumn field]

fair enough

[worldly dirge]

Dynamos terrorize me

[autumn field]

turrets are the strongest thing a gin has versus me

mcgin is my counter cuz turret

so every time i see a gun gin i smile inside because she's fucking doomed

[worldly dirge]

Mcgin a counter to anyone who doesn't pay attention to the turrets

[autumn field]

im very good at fighting bebops (too telegraphed)

[vast sandal]

the other thing you need to learn to play mcginnis effectively re: wall is just to use wall, even if it doesn't form a perfect barrier to stop a retreat, when you're ulting

because when people see McGinnis ult they shit themselves and stop thinking about where they should be going

[worldly dirge]

Unless you in lane, then you cry when nor behind cover

[vast sandal]

and just kinda blindly run away

[slender falcon]

...into the wall?

[vast sandal]

yeah

[autumn field]

early lane i just play passive and munch on souls

[slender falcon]

for me to then barrage them

[vast sandal]

yes

[autumn field]

yeah ive trained myself to push barrage since she has a min distance if she's not indoors

if she's indoors well then your job is to get tf out

[worldly dirge]

Yoshi should buff ult again so i can go mvp 15 kill streak

[vast sandal]

when you pop Heavy Barrage it makes a REALLY loud sound and everyone will try to run for cover, if they're not careful you can effectively herd them with wall and get easy kills

Seven mind control works on similar principles

[worldly dirge]

Seven balls

[vast sandal]

nah its seven ult

seven balls do not mind control people they just actually really fucking hurt

but seven ult has mind control properties and people will run away from a seven they could easily kill while tanking his tickle me elmo ass ultimate

[slender falcon]

it's a giant ball of lightning and people get scared

[twilit roost]

These are great

[autumn field]

i see dumb seven, i press 2 into seven face, i press 4, watch seven implode

[vast sandal]

the funniest thing about playing Warden is putting channeled ultimate havers in jail

[autumn field]

funniest thing about warden is i can gank the fuck outta him

i love how dyna ends up being like, just untouchable if the enemy isnt good enough to consistently dodge stomp

man he really is stupid strong

3 gives you 14m/s move speed (really good), 2 w/ 10 second cd means basically free escapes 24/7, and 800 damage bombs that you can tankbuster with super easily is just goated

[whole moon]

very good loss in deadlock, not a stomp but even to the very end and some daring urns!!!

Lady Geist my beloved I love confirming kills with bomb

[vast sandal]

Geist is sick with it

[whole moon]

Me and M&K held down center so fucking hard

[slender falcon]

is Geist pure spirit

[autumn field]

god im in love with this fuckass game

geist is hybrid

her gun is really solid

[slender falcon]

fr?

[autumn field]

yeah

she can full spirit though

[slender falcon]

I was not expecting that

[autumn field]

and ive seen heavy gun geists

[finite patrol]

geist was top tier gun carry in high rank for a while

[slender falcon]

my vibe-based reads are deeply wrong it would seem

[autumn field]

nah her spirit is excellent

lightbringer for instance

catalogue spike builds are what he does

[finite patrol]

please dont just post a lightbringer build unspoiled

[autumn field]

why?

[finite patrol]

feel like ive been flash banged

[autumn field]

oh lol

[vast sandal]

Geist is complicated

full spirit Geist is a real thing

[whole moon]

I do a bomb build so yeah it’s all purple and green for me

[vast sandal]

full gun Geist was a real thing but is kinda overshadowed now

[finite patrol]

lightbringer builds are really bad for newer players because, like in this example, it has all the items. all of them. lol

[autumn field]

yeah right now lots of her daily builds are spirit heavy, 1~3 gun items

[vast sandal]

hybrid geist is an absolute nightmare but she is a very, very lategame carry

[late hare]

I do like bomb Geist but my record with her is pretty bad

[slender falcon]

is there anyone who's pure spirit

like, the same way Venator seems to be close to pure gun?

[vast sandal]

plenty

[autumn field]

dynamo

have you seen my fucking dynamo build

[slender falcon]

oh yeah you were doing pure spirit on dynamo

[vast sandal]

Sinclair is basically all-purple

[autumn field]

its all spirit and 2 fucking greens

[vast sandal]

Mina's another Purple Enjoyer

[autumn field]

you forgot sinclair has gun carry builds

[slender falcon]

I assume Infernus is hybrid? or

[autumn field]

either

[vast sandal]

Infernus is a mess is what he is

[autumn field]

infern has afterburn, and dash

[vast sandal]

Greenfernus was and is a plague

[autumn field]

you usually pick one and do that

[eternal dune]

smh, not a true Shaolin monk

[autumn field]

still is an actual build

[vast sandal]

yeah man I don't subscribe to rabbit punching

I am not a shaolin monk

[late hare]

Grey Talon can be built all purples

[autumn field]

yeah purple GT is very tempo'd and telegraphed

[slender falcon]

what the fuck

[vast sandal]

so

[slender falcon]

how does a build with so few items for damage work

[autumn field]

infern is a dot character

[vast sandal]

Greenfernus works because all his damage is already on his kit

[eternal dune]

You press the dash button

that's it

[slender falcon]

ohhhhh

[autumn field]

he also has innate shred

lots of it

[vast sandal]

you set afterburn and then you like

[autumn field]

like, lots of it

[vast sandal]

well you probably also hit em with a napalm

that's it

napalm, set them on fire, job's done boss

[autumn field]

yep

napalm is a 33% damage increase

[vast sandal]

as a result of this, Greenfernus exists

[autumn field]

esc exposure, spiritual overfllow, boundless, spirit burn, and rapid recharge are all you need at most

[vast sandal]

because more health means more time Infernus can linger in fights making it worse for every enemy to participate

[autumn field]

just to proc everything and ruin lives harder

boundless isnt even necessary

[vast sandal]

I'm gonna be honest

you don't even need half those items

you need Rapid Recharge and Escalating Exposure

everything else is 4fun

[autumn field]

yeah

spirit burn is stupid good on him though, his kit screams spirit burn

damage over time, healing reduction, all that

and its piss easy for him to proc

[vast sandal]

I'm a believer in Mystic Slow Infernus because imagine if you wanted to play the video game and Infernus said no

Suppressor if there's lots of M1 carries on enemy team

you do actually have to buy Healbane on Infernus btw

[slender falcon]

perhaps I should try him

[vast sandal]

that's not negotiable

[autumn field]

bah just juggernaut and healbane will do for infern

[vast sandal]

pick Infernus if you like farming and hate interacting with the enemy team

he clears jungle camps at light speed and solo pushes like a motherfucker

you cram the entire map in your greedy bartender gullet and then swoos out before they can do anythig

[autumn field]

itll give juni bad habits

[vast sandal]

now you're probably wondering "what about lane phase?"

what about lane phase

[autumn field]

god i need to stop gushing over dynamo

[slender falcon]

I don't know who I want to play currently

[vast sandal]

Infernus doesn't have a lane phase, he has a preliminary farming phase where the enemy team tries and fails to interact with him

[jovial jay]

Apollo, Calico/Kelvin, Yamato, MnK are IIRC the most common "Mostly spirit, some green, and a gun spike"

Generally cahrafters that rely on being supports through their abilities, burst assassins

[autumn field]

i dont like infern only cuz his tempo feels wrong to me

[vast sandal]

that's because you don't hate interacting with enemies enough carmen

[slender falcon]

McGinnis is neat but I also kind of feel like she gets boring for me

Graves is cool but I also don't know how to play her well

[vast sandal]

Mc G is the slow ass defense goblin

[gray otter]

paige gets like
maybe high velocity rounds at the start of the game so you exist in lane and then its full purple/green

[autumn field]

i like to press buttons and watch people fucking explode

[jovial jay]

I mean, maybe this is the "I play Warden and have enough HP to not get melted asap by infernus", but he is interactable, its just that his flames are annoying. Its great to punish him early though, always satisfying

alchemical flask into cage go brr

[vast sandal]

I mean yeah I'm saltposting a little bit because I dislike playing infernus AND fighting infernus

you can absolutely create the situation to lock him down and fold his frail hypercarry body in two

[jovial jay]

I will say, I still don't like that his dash gets charges

Even Wraith doesn't get charges on the TP

[autumn field]

i play dynamo i fold infern

[slender falcon]

besides doorman (too hard for my tiny brain to understand) what's the most annoying piece of shit character that will make the enemy team mad at me

[autumn field]

he try to dash me?

i press stomp

[vast sandal]

MO

AND

KRIIIIIIIILLLL

[autumn field]

he try to bomb me? i press 2

[jovial jay]

Rem, next question

[gray otter]

venator also does shockingly well pure green

[slender falcon]

📝

[jovial jay]

Rem isn't good but stealing enemy farm will annoy them

[slender falcon]

Mohammed and Kareem or little woodland creature chud... noted

[vast sandal]

Warden is really good at it, assassins just sorta jump at him outta nowhere and rip his head off before he gets to do anything about it, Infernus gets to do nothing against CC-centric supports who just put him in Gay Baby Jail

[gray otter]

mina

[gray otter]

oh and bebop

nobody likes fighting bebop

[vast sandal]

you will never see an Infernus player as distraught as if one tries to dive through a wave with Flame Dash only to get a Kelvin dome dropped on him

[slender falcon]

I'm trying to find a character I vibe with but none of them have quite clicked yet

[autumn field]

doorman (very high floor to become the most annoying pos ever), rem, dynamo (stomp + refresher = delete their game), m&k, kelvin

[gray otter]

or vyper but shes kinda hard

[vast sandal]

okay let me post my take on Being Annoying In Deadlock

the thing that drives people the most insane in deadlock is being forced to adapt to your game

Rem drives people nuts because Rem just invades your jungle and sets a plague of chudlings on your lane

true pick heroes like Paradox, Bebop, Holliday, Vyper and an unnamed hero I'm going to mention later make people have to watch for kill confirms and if you screw up you get vaporized

[jovial jay]

looks at Warden
I mean I like fighting bebop, I have the HP to tank his hits and the gun to murder him

his 2 stamina means 1 flask is a cage

[slender falcon]

Venator is cool but I can't really perform great and my game sense is kind of fucky wucky
Vindicta is cool but I cannot play her for the life of me. what does the game mean oneshot.
McGinnis is cool but I also start to lose my mind 30 minutes in playing defense
Haze is cool but I'm a chud and whiff sleep dagger 100% of the time
Billy is cool but also I overextend because I think too little and try to melee too much

[jovial jay]

its hilarious

[gray otter]

oh its shiv isnt it

[slender falcon]

maybe I'll try Paradox

they look cool

[eternal dune]

Dynamo also likes fighting Bebop, you can just turn off one of his abilities wholesale.

[gray otter]

vyper's kinda the perfect storm of annoying little shit tbh

[vast sandal]

characters with direct access to a stun combo like Venator, Abrams and ahem someone else sow misery because they turn any interaction into a surprise: get dunked on scenario

[jovial jay]

This is correct in general human psychology

regardless of whether Blue is good in MTG, the fact that Blue revolves around telling someone no, will piss that person off

the green player may be stompign your face, but you still get to do your thing

[autumn field]

her ult deals huge fucking damage

[somber creek]

How OP would Billy be if he couldnt be stunned by parries while blasted

[autumn field]

insanely OP

[somber creek]

You still negate damage but no stun

[vast sandal]

and lastly, characters that just have really good CC access like Kelvin, Paige, and uhhhh a certain other hero, make people really cranky because you have to be aware your abilities can be Infringed Upon passively at all times

now

[slender falcon]

so it's kind of like how Stall in pokemon makes people want to call you slurs because you just shrug off their damage

[vast sandal]

there's one hero I didn't say the name of

[gray otter]

abrams

[vast sandal]

because he does all of this shit

[slender falcon]

wait is it doorman

[vast sandal]

Doorman is at once a CC merchant, a stun haver, and has access to not one but TWO hard picks that just evaporate people if the team coordinates around them properly

[slender falcon]

they were not lying when they put "mind games" under doorman

[gray otter]

• obnoxiously fast and slippery
• frankly absurd poke in lane, she builds a lot of spirit early for her 1 and to secure kills with 2
• absolutely disgusting gun damage at every stage of the game. you cannot count a vyper out at any point, she WILL kill you if you let her. this is made even more annoying because her button that finishes you off does so on like a 2 second delay, so sometimes you think you escaped but actually the vyper is leaving because she knows you're already dead
• hard cc in a can for an ult
• built in antiheal on her Kill You Button for some reason

[autumn field]

Shiv is a game uninstall button but only if youre really good at smooving

[gray otter]

all of this is counteracted somewhat by one single thing:

• squishy

[vast sandal]

I mean more than squishy

Vyper's big weakness is she's squishy AND has to get close

[gray otter]

sometimes that makes it more annoying tho bc you think you should be able to oneshot her but she gets a shield every time she slides

[vast sandal]

she's not like Haze who can and will give you a free ride to spawn from decently far away

[rich grove]

(she doesn't)

[gray otter]

ok not EVERY time she slides

its got a cooldown

but its a short cooldown

the most fun thing to do with vyper is to play street brawl and get electric slippers + burst fire

[rich grove]

you gotta put fent in someone's coffee if you want to kill them beyond 20m as haze, at some point they will suddenly remember 'wait a second i should wait behind a wall'

[vast sandal]

conversely also unlike haze, Vyper will fucking kill you at level 1 no problems

[gray otter]

really its level 3

[rich grove]

whenever she gets poison

[gray otter]

but pretty much

[rich grove]

you're in for rough chuckles

[gray otter]

you open with 1 to soften them up

and then not kill them

[rich grove]

at that point she has lane shiv execute

[vast sandal]

she's just hilariously lethal all the time, it's a horror movie

[gray otter]

and then you get 2 and presto! you have turned them into a little puddle

[slender falcon]

maybe I should try Vyper then

[gray otter]

vyper's so much fun

[vast sandal]

here's your warning

Vyper is

SO

SO

squishy

[gray otter]

the best part of playing vyper is that you get to look at and listen to vyper

[vast sandal]

you WILL just sorta die trying to play the game

[gray otter]

https://tenor.com/view/she's-green-vyper-deadlock-she's-green-vyper-viper-viper-deadlock-gif-8901373001089358540

yeah shes made of paper

[rich grove]

you should also be okay with having bad drafts sometimes

[slender falcon]

I mean I kind of suck at living regardless so it might not be significantly worse than right now so long as I learn movement

[gray otter]

BUT you have 4 stamina so she's more survivable than mina

[vast sandal]

sometimes Vyper trips on the stairs and dies

that's life

[gray otter]

do not neglect your greens on vyper

[vast sandal]

She is green because she can be placed here

[gray otter]

she is green because she can be placed here

[vast sandal]

Shiv is red because he cannot be placed there

[autumn field]

I feel like deadlock needs like, 100 games to start feeling it right

[gray otter]

you dont actually need many raw damage items

[autumn field]

Just cuz of how big the roster is

[gray otter]

burst fire is obv The One and then mercurial magnum is The Second One

[autumn field]

The amount of knowledge needed

[vast sandal]

Vyper literally has like 500DPS starting off

it's genuinely absurd how much damage that gun does

[slender falcon]

...kill in under 2 seconds on basically every character?

[vast sandal]

yes!

[slender falcon]

though I also have to assume she dies just as quick

[gray otter]

yeah

[vast sandal]

of course, the thing about Vyper is

her gun empties itself in 0.2s

so, you know,

[gray otter]

you have to s c h l i d e

OH RIGHT VYPER TIP #1

[vast sandal]

become one with the schmoovement

[rich grove]

raw dps numbers in deadlock are largely entirely bunk because nobody is aiming well enough to hit that accuracy

[gray otter]

BIND CROUCH TO RMB

[rich grove]

the problem is much worse on viper because she has spread on her primary and requires you to slide

[gray otter]

you will not need to zoom in, ever

because shes close ranged

[autumn field]

She has 92 base DPS

Which is stupid high

[gray otter]

and having slide on the most convenient key possible is crucial

[rich grove]

you might want to turn up your sens because you're going to need to crank 90s on the character when fighting

[vast sandal]

it is a LOT of damage

is the point

[gray otter]

vyper 1 does a lot of damage earlygame

[vast sandal]

Vyper is so ridiculously fucking stacked for damage early you should really be wary of the fact that once you're under 50% HP you are Vyper Food and need to heal or leave

[gray otter]

it falls off damagewise kinda hard lategame but it transforms magically into just a really short cooldown to stick mercurial magnum on

[autumn field]

Also build toxic, slowing, inhibitor, literally ANY proc on hit type of things you can find

[gray otter]

ehhh

yes those are good but you could just kill them about it

[rich grove]

you have an onhit buildup it's called 2

[slender falcon]

I assume because she hits fast?

[autumn field]

Stupid stupid fast

[vast sandal]

she does build up onhits ludicrously fast but the only one that's really worth it imo is toxic

[rich grove]

toxic bullets has been bad for several consecutive patches

[autumn field]

Yeah but you can remove the concept of healing entirely

[gray otter]

she has built-in toxic

[rich grove]

it got its numbers kicked in the nads and hasn't really been the same since

[vast sandal]

ah yeah not even tox

I haven't played Vyper for a while

[gray otter]

the onhit that IS worth it

[autumn field]

Shame

[gray otter]

is siphon bullets

it is green

[autumn field]

I remember running it all the time

[gray otter]

and makes her tankier by shooting people a lot

[vast sandal]

because it can be placed here

[rich grove]

silencer is probably still good but that's an anti-caster defensiveish pick

[gray otter]

indeed

[rich grove]

you pick it because it immediately makes their casters do less damage

[vast sandal]

Siphon is also a sly anti tank pick not that you really need it as Vyper

[gray otter]

the anti caster defensive pick on vyper is KILLING THEM but yes silencer does help

[slender falcon]

is Leech any good?

[gray otter]

yes

[rich grove]

meh

[vast sandal]

on Vyper, ehh

[rich grove]

probably okay after merc

[gray otter]

bullet lifesteal is quite good on her

bc, yknow

[vast sandal]

in general, Leech isn't what it was but it fucks

[gray otter]

one zillion gun damage

[rich grove]

but you get almost nothing out of the spirit lifesteal

which is why you would want leech

so why buy leech

get vamp burst

[vast sandal]

you buy Vampiric Burst

[slender falcon]

ohhhhh ok

[rich grove]

+fire rate, +heal

[vast sandal]

yet another gun-centric green tier 4

[rich grove]

in addition to passive +heal

[vast sandal]

for the green woman