I have counterspelled a Shiv Ult for the first time and It was amazing
#Deadlock
jovial jay
lavish grove
Hey chat, my friend is having constant lag issues with deadlock, she closes the game after every match and that fixed it for a while but now its still laggy afterwards, does anyone know what could be causing this?
she doesnt have weak internet and normally online games play fine for her
its spefically deadlock for some reason
undone galleon
possibly graphics issues?
median lantern
Yeah first stop is always updating or reinstalling GPU drivers
autumn field
tested my econ/jungler mina build
it works
it actually works
i dc'd several times and managed to stay roughly in-line (one ally left cuz i dc'd)
the order is basically egg until 12 minutes, spend most of your money getting extended, sprint boots, extra hp, etc, then upgrade to trophy and collect assists while farming until 20~
lavish grove
possibly graphics issues?
Maybe
autumn field
use the egg to get cult sac and eat up more farm
then i pull burst fire, sup cooldown, mystic vuln, stam mast, fortitude, etc
surprisingly effective for how it is
vast sandal
Hey chat, my friend is having constant lag issues with deadlock, she closes the ...
Check to see if she’s at the default FPS cap of 400
cosmic cypress
at the risk of hatred /s
I think I'm becoming a kelvin main
damage/heal aoe, nice rotation tool to cover for my lack of schmovement, beam of fuck you carry, dome of no you don't
it's everything I want
vivid nimbus
Oh so ice path is a nice rotation tool but you classified Mirage ult as schmovement? :p
autumn field
default dynamo build actually kinda slaps
it has a few things i may not agree with but its solid
vivid nimbus
Except for tempo and not enough defensive greens this is just a normal build
autumn field
yep
cosmic cypress
Oh so ice path is a nice rotation tool but you classified Mirage ult as schmovem...
mirage also has tornado 😉
autumn field
Also did they change spirit burn's icon too?
itachi mod moment
i kinda like this for graves
like there's a few things i wanna note like slowing bullets
but it's nice as a whole
vivid nimbus
Even valve endorsing gungraves, huh
autumn field
tbf gun is really nice on graves
autoaim just does so much work for you
even though spirit is her best ime
ive ran gun builds and skull builds, skulls are just so damn strong
vivid nimbus
It is nice, I just thought they designed her to be castery and the community decided gun was better
autumn field
her kit plays itself for you, its hilarious
autumn field
It is nice, I just thought they designed her to be castery and the community dec...
nah, her passive steals gun dmg and her gun is autoaim
ngl if you have ANY gun carries in the enemy team, you can buy esc resil or disarming hex and then they no longer deal dmg cuz you steal their dmg
rich grove
It is nice, I just thought they designed her to be castery and the community dec...
they nerfed the ever loving shit out of spirit so now she's just every gun debuff on an autoaimer
autumn field
her spirit is still good i thought
ive always played her as gun -> hybrid (big fucking damage)
rich grove
endgame it has a high ceiling still but "if you have 80k you buy escalating exposure and all this other stuff" isn't really relevant
autumn field
reasonable
rich grove
you love to see it
autumn field
nice
sinclair is so funny to me
his kit is absolutely insane
but his winrate is lower than average iirc
rich grove
yoshi will never pay attention to him
so 60% cdr on your ults will never get touched
autumn field
like, he has one of the craziest nukes in the game, a teleport, bunnies (holy fucking shit), AND hyperspeed ults
rich grove
I just lost that game specifically so I could preserve my broken main's disgusting privilege
autumn field
like, trans cooldown on this fucker
vivid nimbus
yoshi will never pay attention to him
Their last patch note was literally in 2025
vivid nimbus
Has not been touched since the year started
vast sandal
it feels like the complaints about Doorman are just nonstop these days
autumn field
it feels like the complaints about Doorman are just nonstop these days
doorman is a mental character imo
his kit is designed around psyops
vast sandal
and disorientation and displacement
but yes
a big part of it is getting in peoples' heads
vast sandal
I mean that's not what Doorman ult is for
it's to rend someone out of a fight and make it a losing battle for the opposing team
or to set up the perfect kidnap lineup
or to yoink the urn
or banish a channeled ult to the shadow realm
god, Hotel Guest is sauced
autumn field
each use inflicts the pain of laning against an apollo whose 1.6k ahead 2 minutes into the match while you're playing yamato (he ripostes every one of your 1s)
vast sandal
but yeah idk its like
my favorite hero is at 30% and climbing banrate
people complain absolutely nonstop about him
vivid nimbus
Yknow what feels dirty?
vivid nimbus
Playing Seven, put your stun on someone, then watch Doorman run up and ult them
autumn field
I LOVE IT
vivid nimbus
Good luck platforming
vast sandal
Playing Seven, put your stun on someone, then watch Doorman run up and ult them
Thank you for giving your life at the Baroness. Gratuities are never expected, but always appreciated.
vivid nimbus
Hey wanna know a fun fact?
autumn field
wut
vivid nimbus
When Doorman was in alpha, his ult didn't have a duration
vivid nimbus
If you failed the platforming you had to keep trying
autumn field
"fun"
vivid nimbus
On the flip side, there was no time pressure
So players would wait in the hotel and ask their team when it was safe to leave
vast sandal
anyways point is, i cry every tim when I see the endless sea of "Doorman players have no skill, kidnap is lame and bad, doorman grief me pls ban he" even though it's probably the desired outcome
autumn field
dynamo, m&k, doorman, abrams, and seven team:
vast sandal
that just means the character's performing
autumn field
maybe victor
vivid nimbus
I also heard a current Doorman strat is to just have a hit squad (eg. Shiv + MnK) waiting by the first door, and then Doorman runs around looking for someone to open a door next to
vast sandal
yeah
that's real
I mean you also just thrive off of banishing people into your walker and then beating the shit out of them, but also having the goonsquad ready to blow their cooldowns the second someone shows up through the door helps
vast sandal
good doors are an artform
autumn field
i usually play doorman like i do paradox, in the sense of "hard cc everywhere"
vast sandal
just remember
doorman takes no skill :)
zero skill expression in vortex web cart into door
autumn field
yeah but it's automatic
i can see capacitor working on him if you like gun:gun
which, dont do it, he's not built for that
vivid nimbus
Lightning scroll IIRC triggers after leaving
autumn field
oh.
:(
but yeah vortex, curse, arctic, echo is kinda how i'd build him
greater expansion, mystic slow, etc
make him an absolute cc machine whose only job is to make you suffer
vivid nimbus
Echo cart or door?
autumn field
cart probably
vivid nimbus
I ask because I've seen both
autumn field
im not that good at dooring, frankly
he's not my main
i prefer paradox, she's like doorman but with even less skill expression :3
errant sphinx
Does doorman still have a bunch of ways to clip outside the map
autumn field
her "skill" is just "press all your buttons"
errant sphinx
I don't keep up with the bug fix section of patch notes
Paradox feels hard to me idk
vivid nimbus
Paradox has schmovement, and interesting play outside the ult combo
Also a pretty good gun
autumn field
you hit them with the esc exposure + vortex web into your bomb, slap a wall behind their ass, teleport them back into the wall when they try to leave, hit them with a timestop
autumn field
Paradox has schmovement, and interesting play outside the ult combo
yeah i dunno her movement but her floor is fairly low, her ceiling is damn high
also mina is really good with trophy collector based on like, 2 games with it
since she collects assists really easily just because 70 second "gank someone of your choice" button
also once fought against an unstable conc refreher vic
that was horrifying
you do not want to fight the 450 dps stink aura immortal zombie who also deals like, 3000 damage on death and can do that like, 3 times in a row
merry verge
Knockdown's more useful for Doorman imo
Knockdown into cart into funhouse has to be part of the Doorman loathing, it is Bugs Bunny nonsense
stable forum
oh, right, really late to this but you can just give shrines normal backdoor protection. Base guardian shrines should keep troopers out of the base, troopers are what disable backdoor protection. No need to special-case it or anything.
...ehh, both work. trooper backdoor protection would look a little weird with how the shrines are split.
slender falcon
anyways point is, i cry every tim when I see the endless sea of "Doorman players...
He pisses me the fuck off but I have to fully acknowledge that the point is that he's tilting as shit and realistically I just need to get better at the game to just counter him
hallow zenith
it feels like the complaints about Doorman are just nonstop these days
I feel like he's kind of overtuned right now?
All of his abilities are very powerful and then his ult is even more powerful and has an inbuilt refresher
It feels like the only real counterplay to his ult is "Buy Indomitable and hope he's not smart enough to buy silence wave and hit you first" or "Have a big enough lead that your team can win a 5v6 without you because otherwise it's a guaranteed kill"
somber creek
I think the biggest problem he has rn is that you can be CCed before the hotel
hallow zenith
I think the biggest problem is that even if you escape the hotel you're kind of fucked anyways
It's functionally indistinguishable because the danger of the hotel isn't "You take a few hundred damage" it's "The entire enemy team gets to patiently line up to gank you the second you come out of the hotel"
The only thing escaping the hotel means is that he doesn't get a free refresher to use it on the next team member he sees
vivid nimbus
Escaping also means taking less damage from it and you don’t get stunned
Also unlike refresher it doesn’t reset bell/cart/door cooldowns
merry verge
You can also escape with zero stamina ( it requires tech ) but even one and you'll get there
And if they used CC beforehand congrats that's CC your teammates don't have to deal with now, it was going to end up somewhere
It lasts 6.5 seconds, if your entire team goes down in that 5v6 time there are other faulty links in the chain
/bells might be a little violent with everyone having less HP nowadays
bweh this was rude
but yeah all the ult upgrades basically don't do squat if you escape, they made it more important
stable forum
It's functionally indistinguishable because the danger of the hotel isn't "You t...
I think you can beat Doorman's Hotel Guest by simply buying Magic Carpet
just play Billy and buy Carpet every game.
somber creek
I think it's more the idea that even if a player does everything correctly in regards to the hotel it's still one of the longest stuns in the game
on a point and click
hallow zenith
I swear it still like, movement locks you if you escape
merry verge
there's little bit of that weird 99% slow time-stop thing
vivid nimbus
I think it's more the idea that even if a player does everything correctly in re...
But unlike MnK ult the enemy team doesn’t get to beat your ass the whole time
stable forum
unlike krill ult, if you have carpet you simply do not die to the Doorman ult
you get to Just Leave
swerve up after leaving the hotel to dodge the cart and you should be fine
they could nerf doorman by making it so that enemies get to be briefly actionable while still being immune when leaving the hotel?
so you can push A Defensive or something. idk if that would be good.
merry verge
They want it to be a combo starter, the Time Slow and checkout Stun very much lean that way
Making them immune would be.. a choice
jovial jay
You can also escape with zero stamina ( it requires tech ) but even one and you'...
you can escape with 0 stamina*
terms and conditions apply, slowing hex is a 1600 soul item that reduces your move speed and jump distance and will screw over the tech iirc
and of course makes it easier to shove someone in the hotel to begin with
merry verge
hey i had an addendum about him using other CC ;p
but truly any mobility anything gets you out of there and un-upgraded not checking out isn't a big deal anyway
and 90% of the Doors Men these days are going T2 Bell T2 Door T3 Bell so you got time
Also sorry if I'm being gripey I just think his ult is one of the most interesting and interactive mechanics in the game and half the populace wants to throw it into the Sun
The fuck else should he do, a damaging shape of some kind, we have plenty
plus a good amount of popular characters can Immune themselves through his ult being anything other than a few seconds of standing around
and it's counterspellable, E-Shiftable..
( those do still give him the T3 Reset though )
autumn field
3 patches later: added motion inputs
Meanwhile, Celeste players realizing they can hit a pretzel tod while doing a triple reverse somersault inverse sky tango with their new combo:
merry verge
Summon Suffering, no input buffer, goh, goh
autumn field
paradox saying "paradox... will remember this insult" when you unselect her is kinda scary
somewhat wish street brawl had its own rank so i could see how good i am at brawl
hallow zenith
So did something happen with Silver recently
Why is she in every game the second I decide that I want to try her out
magic summit
She's really strong
Everyone got a health decrease but the way her wolf form health scales it made her tankier relatively what with boons arriving faster
So now a pick hero fights people with less health while her wolf form health scales faster now
autumn field
Thank god for stamina mastery + disarming hex
whole moon
Meanwhile, Celeste players realizing they can hit a pretzel tod while doing a tr...
i'll do horse pretzels i don't mind
errant sphinx
I don't think deadlock is going to add motion inputs
Deadlock movement lowkey harder than motion inputs
autumn field
(its a joke)
vestal hearth
The idea that Mcginnis is the worst because of how mundane her she actually is, does a lot.
vast sandal
McGinnis is a really bad person
vivid nimbus
It's a good video but I do disagree with it on the idea that she's not larger-than-life
I think she's definitely taking the "amoral weapons scientist" towards that trope's own extremes
vestal hearth
I kinda want to use her as body refs for a character. I like how she's built.
somber creek
McGinnis is the worst because she might genuinely have the highest kill count
vivid nimbus
Clearly those should be counted as kill assists
somber creek
Lmao
still swan
Seven is cool though
vast sandal
He is a terrible guy but he’s very entertaining
still swan
McGinnis is evil in a very real way
While Seven is more fantastical (and entertaining yeah)
warm sonnet
He's just what the common electrician would be if they were allowed to be gay
magic summit
I like that Sevens crimes are also just
Vaguely evil
Like everyone seems to know he's a comic book villain but his crimes past "disintegrated everyone around him at his execution" are just not mentioned
slender falcon
Like everyone seems to know he's a comic book villain but his crimes past "disin...
was that like. intentional. or did it just happen because of the execution without his trying to disintegrate everyone
slender falcon
ohhhh, electric chair?
vast sandal
Not quite
vast sandal
We know it’s related because he was strapped into the weird apparatus that he’s fused to now, but they also tried to obliterate his soul and make him so dead no magic could ever contact his spirit or summon him again
slender falcon
ah
vast sandal
That’s how dangerous they decided he was
slender falcon
interesting
vast sandal
Heavily implied that it was something Seven knew rather than anything he planned to do
rich grove
he knows, because he's the knower
somber creek
He is the only person who knows what sex is
warm sonnet
And he's using it for evil!
rich grove
doctor sex is immortal
terse aspen
He is the only person who knows what sex is
lmao
worldly dirge
just had a bebop mcguiness lane, they both went gun, i did not live lol
lavish grove
I think she's definitely taking the "amoral weapons scientist" towards that trop...
She’s closer to if Oppenheimer loved making nukes then the average Raytheon employee
Since she invented soul powered weapons herself
And is currently still the best in the world at making them
rich grove
kagurabachi
lavish grove
merry verge
So that's what that's about
lavish grove
Yah
vivid nimbus
It's also about wizards sorcerors having cool magic sword fights, but yes
merry verge
For a time I thought the internet Goncharov'd a generic looking anime
vivid nimbus
(The magic swords are the nukes in question)
stable forum
Making them immune would be.. a choice
not 'immune', just 'you get to see what's happening for .5 seconds and can maybe push a defensive button like counterspell, eshift or warp stone'
late hare
For a time I thought the internet Goncharov'd a generic looking anime
is that not what happened? I could've sworn
like that's how it started and then people were like "wait maybe I dig this fr fr"
lavish shale
it got glazed ironically at first, because everyone thought it looked generic
but then it just got actually popular
rich grove
eats the food... enjoys it
agile void
Playing deadlock, I have a enemy infernus complaining that my ally haze just ults and doesnt aim
I look at his build
Haze and I ended up answering at the same time: "You are playing Dash infernus, you are not better"
at the end infernus had like 64k player damage, he was not the biggest though, that was our Paradox double bomb just nuking people, had like 72K
Also in that match we had a very messy mid attempt that ended up with like, half of my team dead, 4 of them dead, and having a winion moment with them pushing and dropping the patreon to phase 2 while we were fighting mid
jovial jay
He is the only person who knows what sex is
Holliday knows what sex is she has multiple ex spouses and mentions wanting to get her tubes tied because she hates teenagers (graves and Apollo)
somber creek
She meant her fingers
agile void
bare minimun she is Bi
autumn field
bruh how are people always escaping the door when i hit them with enhanced slowing hex + knockdown
autumn field
not yet
agile void
even Joe has times where they get stuck in geometry
autumn field
oh bruh its cuz i kept missing the knockdown and cuz wraith had her teleport
knockdown activates a lil too early to use properly
cuz they get stunned the second they enter
slender falcon
I just realized Billy eats the magazine when you reload
autumn field
had a game where an apollo called me trash
proceeded to carry the rest of the game
was lovely
cuz dynamo isnt the best before he hits his health / spirit spikes which i didnt get for 2 rounds (not enough health)
then i got refresher, enhanced trans cd, mystic reverb, etc
(brawl, as usual)
and witchmail! versus apollo, infern, bebop, and paige, who all deal just enough to constantly proc it
thereby giving me unlimited 900 damage nukes with tankbuster
anyone know what this means
vast sandal
your core skill rating and your per-character rating are tied to one another but not identical
if a character is low relative to skill rating, it means that character's individual performance on your account is lower than your overall average
ie: you are performing higher on average with other characters than this one
autumn field
if a character is low relative to skill rating, it means that character's indivi...
thats so weird cuz EVERY character is like this for me
lavish shale
It also needs a few games to calibrate
autumn field
i have like, 40 games on billy and it's like, "nah, nope"
tbf i play a lot of brawl
vast sandal
thats so weird cuz EVERY character is like this for me
Washed I fear
That or you’re just not within the rank calibration threshold for all of those characters
vast sandal
how many rounds, really?
SB don’t count
autumn field
yeah im aware
but you can see my performance in brawl is completely different from regular mode
ok so i need to play like 30 more reg matches
who can i actually play decently...
i love refresher spirit nuke dynamo
he's very easy to use
not sure about how he lanes though
jovial jay
not sure about how he lanes though
Decently, he has regen, if low damage on the gun. Stomps even at high ELO, hurt, people are just better at doding then. There's an argument to be made Dynamo is actually one of the best characters in the game, as he's not particularly weak early game, his ult swings the end game, and he can cleanse debuffs very quickly/escape from a lot of things with quantum entanglement.
Figure out if you want to focus on trying to stomp people, or to be hard to kill, go from there
agile void
was lovely
deadlock if epic made it:
late hare
having a lot of trouble with Vic lately
even with antiheal he's really hard to put down
autumn field
Figure out if you want to focus on trying to stomp people, or to be hard to kill...
I believe when I play brawl my standard is maximalist spirit, and any greens that let me hit off more bwomps (aka only as much as necessary)
worldly dirge
How do you ult with warden, the second i try most of the time i get killed in the 2 seconds it takes to activate
final osprey
Warden ult is purely cosmetical, it doesn't actually do anything /j
Generally it's something you want to pop out when you have someone cornered or the enemies are stunned
worldly dirge
Yeah, none of that happened in my game lol, the enemy had all the stun characters
final osprey
But also. Warden ult generally doesn't do much damage, which means it doesn't do much healing, so it's not something you neccicerally have to worry about
worldly dirge
Also wraith infinite bullets should not be a thing
stable forum
How do you ult with warden, the second i try most of the time i get killed in th...
if you're dying during the cast you're casting it too late.
worldly dirge
I was basically full hp
stable forum
you want to push it like a good second or two earlier in those sorts of situations.
worldly dirge
Was in a bad spot though
stable forum
were you like down 10k or something?
stable forum
ah.
worldly dirge
Bad lane
Wraith and yamato
Binding word did nothing to them, they could just walk out even with slowing hex
We won in the end but my stats where not good lol
13 deaths
I have got to watch a guide on warden
My flask trowing is ok as long as its not completely direct, the hitbox is weird
You can just trow it over the person if you are too close and shooting them in the head
final osprey
If you're next to someone you have to awkwardly look at the floor on the throw
agile void
what the fuck was that shiv and wraith building?
worldly dirge
wraith looks pretty normal
wait, is that a normal game or brawl ?
normal right
thought it was brawl
if that says anything
is that those items look random
agile void
normal match
worldly dirge
why meculiar magnum that early, also you can get spell caster for that much and for a better deal
agile void
also gun shiv
worldly dirge
that shiv is on something
vast sandal
How do you ult with warden, the second i try most of the time i get killed in th...
When you see the enemy team grouping up and it’s time to create space/initiate, you’re looking for either a flanking route to suddenly emerge from already in your ult, or a zipdash cancel route to throw yourself in there while channeling
magic summit
Well yeah, its an engagement tool. You could also try to metal skin them cast it if you are mid combat
vast sandal
Also sometimes the best thing you can do with Last Stand is use the activation period’s massive increase in damage resistance to tank some bullshit
agile void
I hope this doesnt go through
magic summit
Why do you hope that doesnt go through.
errant sphinx
What does that even mean
jovial jay
How do you ult with warden, the second i try most of the time i get killed in th...
The meme answer is you don't.
The practical answer is, you use it when committing to a big fight, while you still ahve HP. If you know a bunch of damage is about to come in, adn a fight is occuring popn it.
You get base 50% Damage resist to Bullet and Spirit while its channeled, so if you know mina ult is around the corner, pop it so you don't get melted
Its not gonna melt people, but it helps make you a tank when you know a big hit is coming
In lane you use it to punish/chase, usually off a cage
stable forum
you can also use it in lane when you or your ally is about to get all-inned
basically any time you think there's a high-commitment engagement about to happen is a good time to push Last Stand
vivid nimbus
With T3 you can also use it to no-sell something like Lash or Billy ult
agile void
Why do you hope that doesnt go through.
@errant sphinx Its mostly those cases where you have a guy go in
die minute 1
then quit
I have seen those happen like once or twice but its like the kind of guys that are at the border of being tilted
that dead at minute one was the last straw, then they just dc
if its a dc by minute 5 I do think its ok, but more than that feels like too much.
someone else in another server also pointed out "If ur teammate spawns in afk and died then u cant leave?"
errant sphinx
I think ur misinterpreting it
You can still leave but the match will count as a loss
agile void
that is kind of my point, you are punishing 5 people because 1 got tilted after dying one time 30 seconds in and dipped
errant sphinx
I don't think winning or losing a deadlock match matters enough for this to be a problem
There's not even like any rewards for rank and rank itself is super fake and gets adjusted constantly
magic summit
So it should instead punish 6 people for getting an early lead?
Like this is the standard rule for most multi-player games
You can't run in do a greedy early play then DC if it doesnt work out
worldly dirge
i dont think billy might be for me, with certain heroes in play i dont exist
magic summit
Seeing a doorman on the enemy team while I am Billy is just misery, yeah
lavish grove
New new diviners Kevlar
vivid nimbus
Also for comparison, the old old icon
autumn field
ok i like the new one a lot more
got a question for yall, how do you deal with a 100 damage missile mcgin
agile void
got a question for yall, how do you deal with a 100 damage missile mcgin
stun her?
that thing still goes on a hefty cooldown, forcing her to get out of it is always nice
vivid nimbus
Stun her, take cover, get inside the targeting area
gritty geode
Yeah get next to her and run her fade
rich grove
heavy meleeing a mcginnis who Doesnt Know is peak comedy
gritty geode
If she has teammates uhhhhh
lavish shale
New new diviners Kevlar
definitely much better
rich grove
yeah you just gotta grab The Anvil
agile void
I mean her turrets are going to be kinda strong but If she is dumping everything on ult
rich grove
not much to it
lavish shale
Yeah get next to her and run her fade
unless they know how to splash you with a wall
agile void
like no Rapid recharge or they have surge of power on ult
or ballistic enchantment on ult
You could also silence her once you stun her to make sure she doesnt just wall you
worldly dirge
got a question for yall, how do you deal with a 100 damage missile mcgin
Melee, if she parries it cancels the ult lol
Having unbreakable is great for this strategy
jovial jay
got a question for yall, how do you deal with a 100 damage missile mcgin
If you have to engage, you need spirit resil up the whazoo. Useful items; spirit resil. Warpstone: TP into range, TP out of range.
Any other form of burst mobility to escape the barrage or run it down on her if you thin kyou can
if the ult's already out a silence does nothing
So mobility items or just raw HP
Any hard CC effect also ensures you can escape
autumn field
Gotcha
cosmic cypress
cosmic cypress
good taste
vivid nimbus
I suspect a lot of overlap for "hate character, love playstyle"
finite patrol
per yoshi on deadlock discord balance patch probably this week
vivid nimbus
Yeah
Also heard something about "due to complaints about gun meta, we're removing all guns"
finite patrol
finite patrol
Also heard something about "due to complaints about gun meta, we're removing all...
thats pretty fair
vivid nimbus
Ah, here it is https://i.redd.it/njvate8wl52h1.png
(||It's an edit of a different comment||)
rich grove
underhated bebop is frying the hell out of me
somber creek
underhated bebop is frying the hell out of me
I put him there full knowing how much people hate him. It's not enough.
late hare
https://grids.fun/t/about-me-deadlock-characters-89vq7?list=deadlock-characters-...
kinda tricky, lots of characters I want to learn but just don't really grok with and I feel like I'm not quite in the weeds enough to have good balance opinions
rich grove
I put him there full knowing how much people hate him. It's not enough.
cannot unhear that to the tune of tv off
IT'S NOT ENOUGH
gray otter
late hare
for example, I still have it out for Apollo, but I know that popular consensus is kinda iffy on that
rich grove
my lips are sealed
somber creek
cannot unhear that to the tune of tv off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTMLyOARSVk This is what I was thinking of
"Can we kill him? Please?"
"No. It's not enough."
late hare
my lips are sealed
spit your shit honestly
somber creek
I will admit at this point I see Apollo more as a dodge tank than any kind of carry, weirdly enough
He rarely seems to do that much burst and his main goal is to flip around you for 2 minutes as you slowly die
lavish grove
Early and mid game his damage is crazy
Late game?
Ehhhhh
His ult is a good lockdown tool
I guess
vast sandal
Earlygame Apollo is the lane dictator
Midgame either he got hardcountered so badly that he’s already behind the curve, or he’s ahead of the curve and starts bullying random people
Lategame either it’s already over or he falls off super hard lol
cosmic cypress
kinda tricky, lots of characters I want to learn but just don't really grok with...
hate viscous
jail for 1000 years
he's just goo
finite patrol
late hare
I just don’t think he’s an interesting design I fear 😔
finite patrol
ITS TIME
gritty geode
Apollo seems balanced enough but his riposte kicked my dog and fucked my wife
Just feels so bad playing against
cosmic cypress
I was wondering how long it would take for a one character post
finite patrol
14 faces of me AND DIE
jovial jay
Is drifter imbalanced? No
Is he in need of a major nerf?
no
Will any lobby where this man is fed turn into a nightmare to a degree that only Viper has rivaled to me?
Yes
lavish grove
Honestly since the change to his passive that gave him stacks on assist I have been getting annoyed with him
jovial jay
Nah, that's fine
lavish grove
Since now he doesn’t even have to be fed to become a monster
jovial jay
He needs that
lavish grove
So long as he’s on the periphery of fights he becomes busted strong
jovial jay
In my experience an even drifter is fine, but if he pulls ahead, he feels awful to try and claw back against
now taht's every character
but him also being someone with excellent speed, map presence, a teleport, and a silence on his big damage tool makes him terrifying
autumn field
here's mine
well, for victor, when i say buff i mean "make him not scale so weirdly"
autumn field
that feels like you mean rework
yeah but i hate lash's kit the most
meanwhile i actually like victor's kit
jovial jay
fucking hate that button
Warpstone, Counterspell, and Dispel are both good against the cage, a dozen other CC effects and will reliably let you avoid it till end game
gray otter
i know\
autumn field
and for warden, i hate him cuz he has 0 fucking sauce
gray otter
Warpstone, Counterspell, and Dispel are both good against the cage, a dozen othe...
being able to deal with it does not make it tolerable
jovial jay
"0 Sauce", this man has a severed hand on his back, a cape, and a mission
autumn field
his kit is lovely, it's very fun, but the character feels boringgggggggggggg
gray otter
"0 Sauce", this man has a severed hand on his back, a cape, and a mission
he is a cop cosplayer
autumn field
i replaced him with a horsegirl
gray otter
also like
gray otter
- grenade
- the most annoying fucking button in the game
- shield
- win teamfight button
wheres the sauce
jovial jay
Bro his ult is not winning teamfights
somber creek
Warden has an issue of being very outdated
However LASH needs a rework WHAT
His kit is one of the most fun in the game!
autumn field
i just hate his kit
lavish grove
Yah Lash’s kit is very cohesively designed
autumn field
its a good kit
jovial jay
Warden has an issue of being very outdated
I need his voice lines with Talon and Ivy
autumn field
i just hate it
somber creek
He is definitely the best designed launch hero by far
autumn field
yeah its really well designed
finite patrol
yoshi rework this well designed character because they beat my ass
autumn field
:p
seriously though, it's more about how it feels playing them and playing against them feeling completely different
finite patrol
yeah a good pocket definitely presents some interesting problems to solve
agile void
(yeah its a lewd account, still the art in this post is nice so im sharing it)
lmao wtf?
vast sandal
74 minute long ultra slugfest worst experience of my life
@plucky tusk I think you can vouch for this one
autumn field
yeah i find that for me, trophy + cult sac are pretty damn important
since those items make it a lot easier for me to keep up a soul lead
autumn field
holy fuck silver is easy to deal with as paradox
its just "walk in a circle around wall"
and then the silver seems to just lose the ability to hurt you
i tested a bullshit paradox build today
trophy -> egg -> cult sac
then i farmed up until i got basically only the core bombadox spike items (duration+, trans cd+, etc)
suprisingly strong
enemy team outskilled us so we lost, but it was a really fucking fun loss
cuz i was winning 1v1s and ganking enemies in late
early was a bit of a hell, but thats cuz i was trying the bullshit build out
gusty wraith
i am so sick of victor
im so sick of him
i hope this next balance patch drops on thursday and he is nerfed so bad that he's worthless and unplayable and he stays that way for like six months at least
i deranked back to initiate 6 because my teammates will not buy counter items and just walk single file into the victor while he tapes down his w and 3 keys
vivid nimbus
Oh, just normal spirit Victor?
gusty wraith
yes
autumn field
gusty wraith
vivid nimbus
Also yeah yes please
gusty wraith
cool. not using this channel again, peace
autumn field
Also yeah yes please
well then
and they left
also in regards to counterbuys, ironically i notice more counters in brawl than normal play
god i love paradox, the shit i can build on her is so stupid and so, so funny
autumn field
not very good at killing with her, part cuz aim, part cuz im not great, but she's fun
autumn field
That person seems to be going through some things
yeah
also trophy is crazy good on her
magic summit
autumn field
i like sinclair...
also rem is funny to me cuz he feels strong and weak simultaneously
ivory reef
LOL so happy my posts are providing ~value~
slender falcon
Dangers of tilt
I play nothing but street brawl. I have no idea how to play the main game. Still, I am zen. I enjoy my unskilled existence scrounging together random spirit/hybrid builds on McGinnis on SB
Also idk if this has any comparison to the base game but tbh Victor doesn't seem that bad to me. Ofc street brawl is very different, but
Maybe I should play some standard games
I think I generally understand McGinnis now, I just need to learn econ
eternal dune
Victor is kind of just in a wierd design space where because of the function of "extremely hard to kill drain tank" he either feels really oppressive or does actually nothing
Sometimes he even manages to do both at the same time
slender falcon
That would make sense
I quite like Deadlock regardless of its whole uh
Open... beta? Alpha? Thing going on
Idk i feel like you're signing up for sometimes not having a great time playing a game that's not fully developed yet
eternal dune
tbh it's a moba you're signing up for that regardless of how done it is
slender falcon
Also true
worldly dirge
I quite like Deadlock regardless of its whole uh
Open... beta? Alpha? Thing goi...
Its technically a close invite only beta
bleak thicket
deadlock is the most wishlisted unreleased game on steam currently
now that subnautica 2 is out
slender falcon
Neat
eternal dune
......when did I apply..?
You get invites from people on your friends list who already got an invite, someone must've sent you one at some point
slender falcon
Ohhhhh
merry verge
Honestly the game being in beta is a boon, means they give more dramatic kicks to balance more often
and unlike other genres you're not really.. lacking for content
not gonna Reach The End and have to wait
slender falcon
How long has it been in beta
bleak thicket
since it came out afaik
eternal dune
Most mobas tend to drift pretty heavily during their lifetime, even if they're technically released. Keeps things fresh.
lavish grove
Does healing tempo proc off of self heal items like restorative locket?
lavish grove
Sick
Except lifesteal actually
I’ve tested that myself
Also chat, the more I fight Yamato the more I come to this conclusion: Yamato is the strongest level 1 character in this game
Power slash is genuinely in my opinion the strongest ability in the game at level 1
Doing more damage then most spirit damage abilities while giving her bullet res and some of the best earth game range
Combined with her gun also being pretty damn good even early on
unkempt kernel
vital knoll
eternal dune
I mean gun Victor is very real
lavish grove
Very different playstyle though
eternal dune
You just kinda gotta accept that you'll take a while to get rolling
lavish grove
You don’t really use his full kit until the late game with gun Victor
vital knoll
Even late game you're not using victors kit as it's intended tbh
lavish grove
Though there’s also hybrid for a gun Victor build where you’re still using his whole kit
finite grotto
Power slash is genuinely in my opinion the strongest ability in the game at leve...
its fun to say cause i think a lot of people me inlcuded like to go 3 first
lavish grove
My friend does too but I feel like if you’re planning to play aggressive early
You can’t give up power slash’s damage
finite grotto
eh i disagree
lavish grove
Gun victor is just never push 2
Also that’s true until you get spellslinger
Then you press it just for the spellslinger stack
Even if it does hurt you
finite grotto
3 has a bigger aoe, hits heroes and minions, heals a little and reduces atck speed
I tend to do pslash first against a poke lane
eternal dune
Kinda just a real it depends
finite grotto
ya
lavish grove
Yah probably
finite grotto
also while pslash does a lot of dmg obviously you also miss out on m1 damage while charging it
lavish grove
But like, man a power slash yamato feels extremely strong level 1
That’s true but it’s still a very good trade
Especially since it’s range is so good and has no fall off
eternal dune
being able to drop someone's attack speed at level 1 is very valuable for early fights, though
m1 is most of the damage in level 1 fights so if your ability both does damage and reduces their output you're in a good place
finite grotto
all paths lead to yamato domination /s
finite grotto
nothing better when you hit your tier 2 2 as early as possible
lavish grove
Chat, remember when Venator launched and was bugged so sharpshooter increased his ult damage enough to one shot the entire cast?
jovial jay
Victor is kind of just in a wierd design space where because of the function of ...
I had 2 games with him yesterday as him. NGL I think he needs nerfs to his initial gun strength it's disgusting how effective running it down with ult is on objectives. we has 2 teammates feed the entire game we still got walkers and I still got value for just hitting m-1
autumn field
wait did they literally just dm you with this?
Yep!
still swan
worldly dirge
vast sandal
NERF SHIV
autumn field
Shiv's kit is insanity
somber creek
I keep seeing him lose
lavish shale
I keep seeing him lose
He has a pretty bad winrate at most levels
Just that he's crazy in pro play apparently
somber creek
It does feel like the easiest way to counter shiv is just Buying Decay
autumn field
He has a pretty bad winrate at most levels
Just that he's crazy in pro play appa...
my elo is absurdism because its a 50/50 between "shiv, god of death", and "shiv, useless piece of shit"
vast sandal
That’s woodlo for a lot of characters honestly
autumn field
there's characters who are actually consistent
vast sandal
People are generally decent at snowballing (rolling downhill is not particularly hard) and terrible at recovering from a bad early game (rolling uphill is, surprisingly, more difficult)
autumn field
lets see... vyper usually does okayish
vast sandal
Vyper is the most boom-or-bust character ever in Alchemist
autumn field
never had that happen
kelvin is either insufferable (im playing dynamo or vic and he's sliding away) or useless
lavish grove
chat Ive been playing with enhanced items and apollo's 3 with enhanced trophy collector is really funny
autumn field
god i love paradox
her kit is perfection
(give me autoaim on the ult plz plz plz plz plz plz)
cosmic cypress
I'm loving playing kelvin
Does this make me a terrorist
Throwing giant healing/damage bombs and beaming people is fun
lavish grove
Does this make me a terrorist
yes
autumn field
pocket is actually pain but kinda fun to fight against
a good pocket spaces cooldowns and is untouchable
but luckily
all the ones i meet are predictable pieces of shit who havent heard of eshift and refresher
or echo shard
... who builds echo + refresher tho?
vast sandal
Does this make me a terrorist
lil bit but terrorism is what you must strive for in a competitive game
cosmic cypress
True
magic summit
... who builds echo + refresher tho?
Graves
eternal dune
kelvin is either insufferable (im playing dynamo or vic and he's sliding away) o...
This has been my experience, Kelvin is either going to hard carry or reveal himself as the secret 7th enemy teammate
magic summit
You probably just have both
autumn field
i think i have the worlds most fucked up paradox build ever
vast sandal
Spirit Graves just benefits absurdly well from CDR but unfortunately Spirit Graves doesn't prosper
lavish shale
Echo wall was the go for a bit after they added the ghouls to it
But I think it's mostly back to Jar again
vast sandal
every paradox build is fucked up
autumn field
your spike items are fucking mystic shot + cult sac, and trophy + stam mast, egg, burst, greater expansion
vast sandal
you ever play melee paradox carmen
autumn field
in brawl, like twice
vast sandal
that shit is real as fuck
autumn field
i got runed + spirit punch
vast sandal
paradox clotheslining you through the fucking wall
vast sandal
not as hard as she used to be
lavish shale
you ever play melee paradox carmen
IIRC that one is mostly just because the carbine makes melee distance weird?
vast sandal
there's other things about melee paradox that are good
mostly that she can force you to fight her on her terms, on her turf, on top of the pulse grenades
while silenced
autumn field
I kinda wish paradox's ult was a little faster moving so it's easier to hit
I miss it a good bit
vast sandal
it's supposed to be tricky to connect with on purpose more or less, you have a Kinetic Carbine for a reason
maybe I need to put my Paradox helmet back on and show em how it's done
she seems like she's actually in a pretty good place rn
autumn field
Wish there was a "normal" mode that was faster somehow
Then again my elo regularly has 40+ minute matches
whats interesting is how tracklock says i carried my team last para game despite being 4/9
interesting, my headshot %is about 19
also i think my vic games in brawl are statted higher cuz for some reason my wr on vic is 75% rn
somber creek
Also I feel like they fucked with the matchmaking of Street Brawl
it feels like every game is a sweep one way or another
jovial jay
a good pocket spaces cooldowns and is untouchable
Poicket and Celeste are exampels of why hard CC is needed in this game
Sometimes you just gotta hit the fast mobile character with knockdown into a warden cage
jovial jay
... who builds echo + refresher tho?
Also, Lash on occasion, Sometimes Dynamo
autumn field
Poicket and Celeste are exampels of why hard CC is needed in this game
I wish we had a full on immobilize item as a T4
Like I guess arctic counts but not quite
jovial jay
I mean... knock down is a full immboilize on a tier 3, it just takes a moment to go off.
But, Capacitor, Cursed Relic, Lightning Scroll, Vortex web, Phantom strike are all T4s that evne if they don't turn off "every" mobility option turn off most of them when they apply
lavish shale
Put Piano into main game 
autumn field
I want a mini piano yes please
vivid nimbus
Piano is already AOE Knockdown, so by that reckoning we already have mini piano
late hare
But Paige 3 is the mini piano
gray otter
I want the "shut up get paige 3'd" item
vortex web
jovial jay
I want the "shut up get paige 3'd" item
... That. That's Vortex web
Vortex Web is both a slowing hex, and yoinks people where you say they go
You can even target it to drag people to a specific player for combo set ups
finite patrol
oh like Paige 3
jovial jay
Slkowing Hex doesn't
Vortex Web, the upgraded verison while not a full immobilize is a yoink for duration
which is close enough
finite patrol
vortex web is move slow dash slow and 0-10m pull
autumn field
oh like Paige 3
yeah it'd be really nice as a spirit paradox main
finite grotto
Would prob be extremely unhealthy for the game
autumn field
probably
jovial jay
yeah it'd be really nice as a spirit paradox main
i assume your goal is "group everyone together into big bomb swaps" yes?
autumn field
i assume your goal is "group everyone together into big bomb swaps" yes?
i already do that, i just want them to stay in there longer
jovial jay
Vortex web
Hit em with ti at swap end
No mobility speed, no mobility abiltiies, Yoinked back into the bombs
and you can just target the guy in the middle with alt cast to ensure the fast ones get sucked back into it
autumn field
fair enough
jovial jay
fair enough
Note: did some testing in the Sandbox. It is possible to also make the web hit people back into the barrier to reset the silence duration, but this requires you being basically right behind it when you pop your ult, and that seems very telegraphed
agile void
cursive flicker
lavish grove
Spirit snatch doesn’t actually care if it’s triggered on a light or heavy melee right?
jovial jay
nope. also abilities that count as melee will proc it like Yamato tether
somber creek
Every single one of these I always see someone playing Balatro
lavish grove
nope. also abilities that count as melee will proc it like Yamato tether
Sick
finite patrol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561153801114091521/1506194770723340308/A9...
victor playing Minecraft feels very congruent
merry verge
I thought Spirit Snatch only had .75 effectiveness on Light Melee
vivid nimbus
It does, but that's fine
You should be using light melee for it in most cases
(It's .7, not .75)
merry verge
Wasnt sure if there was a buff I missed or somesuch
Wonder how it feels for Drifty with the rend buffs >:Tc
( Probably still mid, I just want builds other than Gun Shoot )
Bleed Stack was a fun experiment.. add decay for Shivs..
autumn field
my dyna is GOAZTED
autumn field
yeah full econdox is my fav build now
for reference
best game ever.
holy shit that was like, perfect beauty
i got fed nice and early cuz abrams and billy kept overextending, got my egg early and trophy stacks, farmed cult super early
dynamo was stupid good with his 2 and saved my ass so many times
then i started playing jungle-ganker where id rotate across the map a lot to secure kills and nuke teamfights with ult spin
i wouldve pro'd vortex here but i didnt cuz i felt like vortex wasnt useful when i was getting so much value out of swap + stun to keep people inside my massive bombs
feel kinda bad for how hard we ganked them, everyone but paige was 30k behind
also, in regards to build:
- lifestrike > spirit rend earlier on i think
- fortitude is 100% an early buy, the 750 hp does so much for her
- not sure about crushing, but melee charge would do wonders for early vs people who overextend
- yeah vortex web, definitely a mustbuy in combination with echo shard
- i think more gun would help, probably want to replace cult sac with overflow, silencer, later on
... alch fire
cosmic cypress
Hmm I don't think deadlock is for me
I have a 44% win rate and it doesn't seem to ever get better
I'm not really sure what more I can be doing
vivid nimbus
44% is not much worse than the mean 50%, I'd only give it up if you're not enjoying the game
But also if you want advice, I can do my best
autumn field
deadlock's learning curve is very steep
cosmic cypress
I'm a shooter and a moba vet, it's not really that bad a curve
autumn field
fair enough
i have a 43% wr lol
only today did i have my first actual good game
paradox build i use
top row are just "priority / core", and then the rest are mostly just 4.8ks and items i like
im not super certain on scroll but scroll feels very apropriate
(added vortex in cuz i forgot to put it in)
ive gotta learn movement so i can swing and slay harder
autumn field
funniest paradox game ever, 4 unstable concs
rich grove
autumn field
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317193011133943828/1506882370907799693/i...
yeah im thinking about paradox builds
god she's wonderful
if opening interacts the way i hope it does with carbne, im gonna be adding opening to my para build
man my para catalogue is full of stuff and it's still got so many things i can improve on it
candid horizon
THE PAIN
initiate lobbies are a different kind of hell
i’m consistently playing wayyyy better than my own teammates but not good enough to actually carry for a win
worldly dirge
oh no
try a carry, m1 maybe
seven is pretty good, could do haze or wraith
try ult build haze and just pick people off
seven is great with the balls or try gun, is 3 is really good and can have 100% upkeep
wraith is just insane with 3 maxed and spell caster
final osprey
This will probably only work for a day or two before it likely gets nerfed,
but wallbreaker Victor might let you just force through objectives even if your teams not great.
candid horizon
This will probably only work for a day or two before it likely gets nerfed,
but ...
yeah this will probably work
candid horizon
try ult build haze and just pick people off
my last 3 games on warden i’ve been trying to get haze 😭
lavish grove
Time to relearn characters besides Victor
jovial jay
i’m consistently playing wayyyy better than my own teammates but not good enough...
I'm ritualist and not great, but if I may ask: do you have match IDs or a build you'd be fine showing?
Warden can carry
candid horizon
not at the moment (away from my computer) but i use mast’s life in prison build
it’s a little silly but surprisingly effective at frags
jovial jay
I'll look that up when I'm done with stuff or the day
autumn field
Time to relearn characters besides Victor
Try Dynamo, they're pretty damn good
autumn field
im fucking loving biblical greed paradox god dayum
lavish grove
Try Dynamo, they're pretty damn good
Oh I was just referring to characters I used to play before devoting myself entirely to Victor for a month
Apollo, Billy and Silver
autumn field
ah
autumn field
something ive been doing when we midboss is ill sit just outside the ring and just wait when midboss is almost dead so when the boss dies i can pop double bombs to kill any stealers
ivory reef
I'm not really sure what more I can be doing
Are you playing in a stack?
cosmic cypress
Nope
ivory reef
Well... That
cosmic cypress
It fucks matchmaking
ivory reef
I'm not sure I understand
You can 6 stack fine if the mmr differential isn't too high
I've done it regularly
autumn field
Do we still do deadlock pings
ivory reef
Also I'm not sure you should be focusing on winrate so much
cosmic cypress
You can 6 stack fine if the mmr differential isn't too high
The MMR differential is the key bit yeah
ivory reef
My first like 3 years of Dota 2 were at like a 44% winrate too
Ah gotcha
Well
Suki would you like to at least 2 stack or something sometime?
cosmic cypress
Nah, I'm all the way in seeker
ivory reef
Ultimately you need to ask yourself if you're enjoying the experience not whether you're winning
I don't care
The matchmaker can handle 2 stacks fine
autumn field
I think im like, mid alchemist
ivory reef
Alternatively like
If you'd like I can watch you play and give you feedback if you'd like
autumn field
Ive been doing really good recently imo, just need to build better habits and get better at aiming
Its a really hard game
ivory reef
But ultimately winrate shouldn't affect your evaluation as to whether a game is "for" you or not
autumn field
I think i have like, 150-something hours in the game?
ivory reef
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/65316325 here's my dotabuff
autumn field
WR is about 43% and many of those games were me getting carried while in the bottom 30% of the match
ivory reef
It's some 3000 games
My winrate is 48%
I just lost a lot in my early years and then I ended up in a perfectly statistically normal 50% after
This is very normal
When I started out I only played wind runner
You can see my wind runner winrate is, to this day, 42%
Across 493 games
ivory reef
I have a 44% win rate and it doesn't seem to ever get better
Well, then I'm surprised you're saying this
cosmic cypress
I think it's a combination of things
autumn field
Ngl low ranks are weird
ivory reef
If you've played mobas for decades you know you're just gonna be bad for your first year
Play games cause you like engaging with the systems and flows of play not because you like winning
Or play singleplayer stuff
cosmic cypress
Without bragging, like
My first years in mobas were not very bad
Dota didn't have ranks back then but my w/r was pretty good, and I hit gold in league and a mid rank in smite almost immediately
This is my first experience with this kinda thing lmao
ivory reef
Well. Welcome to a game that actually challenges you I guess, sorry. I'm not sure what to say
cosmic cypress
I like the flow of the game mechanics tho
finite patrol
Do we still do deadlock pings
the deadlock role is pingable and if you want to organize a stack I can edit my pinned message to make it easier for you!
ivory reef
Then you should stick to it
finite patrol
im just not playing rn so im not running any stacks
ivory reef
I think you should work your way out of the gifted kid headspace
cosmic cypress
Lmao
finite patrol
youre gifted with a kid now
cosmic cypress
Maybe age is stealing my young reflexes
ivory reef
It's not gonna help with getting into new things, and like there's more going on in deadlock than shooter and moba stuff. I know most of my shooter moba friends fold immediately in strive
And deadlock has fighting game DNA and energy to me
ivory reef
Maybe age is stealing my young reflexes
Deadlock is not that reflex based I dunno maybe you're just playing with a community of people who don't suck at being good at games
autumn field
tbf I can bounce around a bit but I can't hit a 236 no matter what lol
ivory reef
I suspect that's more likely
Like. If you got into league and dota when I did we played against literal children
finite patrol
what is a 236
ivory reef
The average deadlock player is probably 30
autumn field
Down, bottom right, right input
finite patrol
oh fg stuff okay lmao
autumn field
Numberpad notation for fg stuff
finite patrol
I played smash bro 
autumn field
I can barely play a fighting game on the level of a child lol
gritty geode
The average deadlock player is probably 30
My friends and I are all late 20's can confirm
ivory reef
Dota didn't have ranks back then but my w/r was pretty good, and I hit gold in l...
I wanna emphasize that the focus on winrate is honestly really weird? Like any sane match making system is gonna do its best to keep you at 50
cosmic cypress
I was mostly playing against ROIA
autumn field
I played smash bro <:Clueless:1009956467786395779>
Smash isnt a rea- shot dead in street
cosmic cypress
I wanna emphasize that the focus on winrate is honestly really weird? Like any s...
I mean it's literally the same drive in elo system
gritty geode
It would be nice if there were avg. KDA, objective damage, souls/min stats in the game client to track skill growth
cosmic cypress
I want to be doing better and be more impactful to turn more games into wins to improve my rank
autumn field
It would be nice if there were avg. KDA, objective damage, souls/min stats in th...
I think statlock is officially endorsed
cosmic cypress
Can you? Is deadlock not just +lp/-lp elo?
ivory reef
??? even +lp/-lp elo systems are not winrate -> elo
if you win games against people way better than you and then lose against people at your skill level consistently you will climb with a low winrate
guess my winrate in deadlock, i'm gonna go look it up
finite patrol
I have a 48% win rate and im phantom 1
ivory reef
rich grove
i was reaaaaaaaally insistent on playing haze and being veery bad at it
cosmic cypress
Okay then let me accurately rephrase my complaint: I'm losing a lot and not increasing in rank 😉
ivory reef
okay yes good that is a good rephrase
because focusing on winrate is lowkey boomer oldbrain and just not mathematically how it works
like, focus on your rank
that's actually coherent and consistent
cosmic cypress
See, remember league and smite were LP based
You had to win
Or at least fairly consistently
You even had promos
finite patrol
even with rank, they keep changing how ranks work and its a little all made up. ive derived the most enjoyment from more abstract stuff like "wow I definitely would have gotten parried more playing that game if that were me 2 months ago." "i would NOT have been able to make that escape without nailing that edge boost"
autumn field
I believe ive ranked up from seeker like, 3 to alchemist... 1?
autumn field
Still learning how to edge/corner boost
rich grove
this would not have remotely been possible for 600 hours ada
autumn field
i can kill people before 10 minutes now
Yeah I can grind people in lane sometimes now
finite patrol
thresh can hit a headshot 🥲
rich grove
whoa now dont get too ahead of yourself.
finite patrol
LOL
cosmic cypress
I started initiate 1, climbed to alch 1 and now have dropped to seeker 3
autumn field
Headshots are actually pretty easy ime, depending on the gun
cosmic cypress
And have been unable to get back up
autumn field
I started initiate 1, climbed to alch 1 and now have dropped to seeker 3
Thats happened to me multiple times
Ive never played a MOBA before
cosmic cypress
I gotta focus on my midgame swings, because we almost always win lane
Just gotta play someone who snowballs well I think
finite patrol
probably the hardest part of deadlock from a macro perspective
ivory reef
my honest advice is that you should queue up with like at least 1 other person more
I do not consider solo queue mobas to be a real game
undone galleon
even with rank, they keep changing how ranks work and its a little all made up. ...
self-directed play goals r p awesome tbh
cosmic cypress
That's cool but I'm a boomer oldbrain and I literally only solo queue
finite patrol
I do not consider solo queue mobas to be a real game
thats not really a helpful comment to anyone
rich grove
the household configuration probably also does not help
finite patrol
I understand where youre coming from but like what does that add
autumn field
I usually buy trophy collector and let midgame be jungle phase
ivory reef
... an actionable change in things suki can do
which I don't think anyone else can really give
autumn field
(Am Paradox main, dont do this if youre a yama main)
finite patrol
pretty well accomplished by the first of those two messages you sent imo
ivory reef
alright, let me rephrase: if you play solo you will eventually run up against stacks and the stacks will just be much better than you and capable of using all the heroes in the game in ways you can't. this will cap your ability to rise in the game
not engageing with the teamplay component of mobas is like, I dunno, deciding you're gonna play rainbow 6 siege but never use grenades. you'll do fine for a while. but there is simply going to be a cap to how high you will climb
you should just accept that cap at that point
slender falcon
Also the stacks are probably in a discord call and actively communicating
finite patrol
if they arent they arent really a stack
slender falcon
Yeah