Deadlock

[stable forum]

I almost always get silver, idk. i think some characters are played more than others?

also, yeaa, a third objective would be nice.

[eternal dune]

Yeah, some characters are basically free to play every game if you want

[gritty geode]

M&k, warden, and billy are all goobs i can set high priority on and feel confident I'll get every time

[ivory reef]

So happy they added some solid lesbian bait to the game so I can actually play mina

[eternal dune]

Yeah, I find I can get MnK or Shiv basically on demand

[merry verge]

I've never not gotten Silver but vile, heartless fiends have started playing or banning Doorman

[gritty geode]

Seven is also a of a toss up I find

Which is tough when I want to hard carry my pisslow friends

[lavish grove]

I get Victor very consistently but I just kinda hate the feeling of there still being a chance I get another character

[eternal dune]

you can also kinda use pickrates in the opposite direction and pad out your roster with high pickrate heroes on low prio to try and ensure you get a smaller pool more consistently

[merry verge]

Seven and Haze gotta be maximum gambling, fuckin everyone plays Seven or Haze

[gritty geode]

That works yeah
Though I did get an infernus game after like, 20 games of him being minimum priority and that was rough

[merry verge]

I did that with my first Lash game in like a year

Did not go great

[vast sandal]

Queueing Seven is so funny because I forget he’s on queue regularly

And then once in a blue moon I actually get Seven and go “what the fuck, I had Seven queued this whole time? I barely know how to play this asshole” and have to remember how to play Seven and ask Paradox for walls when I power surge and everything

[magic summit]

This is why it's easy to spam Celeste

No one plays the evil horse

Oh that is reminding me

Nice.

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1tccaam/seven_tshirt_i_designed_to_rep_deadlock_at/

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1tc81ab/i_realized_i_didnt_post_any_run_here_since_major/

[bleak thicket]

daaaamn, nice

[coarse cedar]

I should load the map and just jump around and get used to the physics

[lavish shale]

Yeah that's usually how I feel about Deadlock

[vestal hearth]

https://www.tumblr.com/pressedpaiges/806811671104471040/hello-bookbat-nation?source=share

paige

hello batbook nation!!

-# #bookbat #deadlock #paige deadlock #mina deadlock #mina ha #deadlock fanart #my art #artists on tumblr

Tumblr · Jan 26, 2026, 1:52 PM

Does a tiny bit of NSFW.

[coarse cedar]

Im definitely looking forward to getting good at this game. The moba elements are gonna be the part i gotta learn

[cerulean pendant]

after doing some more games im finding that my biggest problem (besides mechanics which will get better just by repetition anyway) is downtime

there comes a point in a round where im just doing nothing for a good bit, since i dont have the timing to get into fights and the creeps arent in a good position and i cant quite kill jungle fast enough

[warm sonnet]

That's the time you go box-bashing and gambling

[final osprey]

Just a quick game before Bed

ruh roh

If Victor looked at you for any amount of time you became silenced

[finite patrol]

36 assist drifter is very funny

[final osprey]

If I was better at cube saving people the match wouldve probably ended like half an hour earlier.
But I did manage to do the play that won us the game, where I punched people out of the midboss pit and then they all left it to go chase me and I somehow managed to get around them and steal 2 rejuvs.

[finite patrol]

delightfully devilish

[jovial jay]

Weird fact: its also arguably a misplay to pick up URN asap as the losing team if the enemy is on the lead of making it a comeback urn because that locks it into place.
And if you do pickit up and the lead chagnes enough anyways, the urn won't change into one, it'll still be even

I have lost games because my team picked up urn, got mauled, and then a comeback urn was still even

if we'd waited 30 seconds we'd have gotten a comeback unr

WHich is wild, and doesn't feel quite right

both because of the icon, and because it encourages delaying play

[finite patrol]

who is the character designer?

are credits in game now or data mined or what

[magic summit]

There have been times of people saying in the comms "everyone stop farming for a moment" so that we could get a comeback urn

Is funny if jank

[jovial jay]

Yeah I genuinely think they should change that part of urn

I don't mind the enemy grabbing urn before it becomes a comeback and it being locked even, that encourages active play

but I also think if you grab the urn and it becomes comeback, or steal it and the combeack location is clsoer it should be a comeback

I posted in forum suggesting if the urn meets comeback quality but is locked as even, the losing team picking it up after lockout should shift it

this gives the winning team time to react, encourages the winning team to play aggro, and avoids the issue of "stall"

[autumn field]

I like how the women in deadlock are written

[jovial jay]

Valve writes women like people, and I love that

Haze and Mcginnis, the banality of evil, my beloved

[vast sandal]

Haze doesn't come across as particularly evil, she knows the OSIC does bad things sometimes and wants to make it better

if anything she comes across as someone who has a hard time fully reconciling the reality of what she does with the belief that she's making the world a better place

[undone galleon]

tecatin did say banality of evil

that being said, i do think haze is evil, shes a 50s-era us nationalist serving as an assassin for the occult cia

[terse aspen]

I'm not sure "evil" is a useful way of looking at it here, but I think Haze does things I would not do and would not support doing

As do most of the cast

[autumn field]

i love playing mina

she's good aim training ngl

except Seven.

Seven is evil.

He's straight up just Evilman.

also i feel like i should get expansion on mina just so im more consistent with rake

[bleak thicket]

oh god maren being a designer on deadlock explains so much

no wonder the designs go hard

[somber creek]

She is evil like any Fed is evil

[still swan]

Haze is evil in the systematic sense

[somber creek]

ACAB includes Haze

[still swan]

Though she does genuinely want to change things, for what that matters

[still swan]

Seven approved

[magic summit]

It's funny how often Haze seems to just try to recruit people

Her ult is just pulling out a job application form and watching half of these bums run away

[bleak thicket]

she wants to improve things but she clearly believes/buys into the mission

[worldly dirge]

drifter is more evil, he says seven still has to much humanity

also drifter is only there for the love of the game

[bleak thicket]

drifter is just a murder hobo yes

[worldly dirge]

also wraith declined betting in kills with drifter because drifter would just stall the ritual to get the most

[rich grove]

raven ult where instead of the ark of the covenant he pulls out a job application and petrifies every deadlock player who looks at it

[autumn field]

i love how drifter is just a murderhobo

[bleak thicket]

raven?

[vivid nimbus]

In this economy? If there was a guaranteed job at the other end I'd fucking take it

[autumn field]

also lore accurate drifter would have like, +10,000,000% weapon damage

his killcount has got to be at least like, half a million

[undone galleon]

probably but tbf thats over like

however old his ass is

[autumn field]

yeah

[undone galleon]

which would be the 1700s at the minimum

i do like that da drifter is like a cajun nosferatu

(as in movie nosferatu, not vtm)

[merry verge]

Maybe Lasombra for VTM, what with that ult

[glass flicker]

Drifter always felt more Gangrel to me

[final osprey]

The thing about drifter is that, the method by which Drifter causes suffering to the mortal world is incredibly inefficient.
Which means, despite being objectively very evil, he probably hasn't caused nearly as much damage as McGinnis or Haze assassinating some democratically elected Sorcerer.

[glass flicker]

McGinnis basically is Raytheon/Lockheed-Martin/Boeing all in one person so yeah probably the most evil member of the cast

[autumn field]

also her weapons are powered by souls

[eternal dune]

Haze at least does some small good things against OSIC's best interest, and seems generally aware of the organization's flaws. Cold comfort to the people she killed but she at least seems capable of reflecting on the morality of what she does.

McG by comparison tries very hard to stay intentionally ignorant

[late hare]

admittedly, there's some vague acknowledgement that souls aren't exactly the same thing as like, people's spirits?

Vin clarifies this slightly

[warm sonnet]

Most things use souls in one way or another at this point in the setting to be fair

She's just good at making weapons and flippant about their use (which is the real evil she displays compared to other characters inhabiting the same setting)

[autumn field]

Mina is funny in how if I play her it's a 50/50 between 7/0 or 2/14

[gritty geode]

Oh also about valve's writing, Seven is evil but he's not comically, insanely so. The dude has a clear set of ideals, is respectful to those who exhibit them, and he works politely with colleagues like Mo and Krill

[autumn field]

Lawful evil

[gritty geode]

When they tell him that shit's gonna cost more cause he's a god or whatever he's just like yeah understandable, I'll get the checkbook

[still swan]

Seven is my favorite character

[twilit roost]

He's a professional, he has standards

[still swan]

He also fucking hates his Ex which, understandable

[gritty geode]

Its also funny when he learns someone like Viscous actually has game

He changes tone immediately

[still swan]

Oh yeah

He outright says he basically underestimated Viscous

[gritty geode]

Pretty much the Shaq meme

[merry verge]

I'd call Seven comically evil

They sent his ass to turbo wizard jail and he ate people about it

[autumn field]

Fucker was gonna get soulkiller'd and the motherfucker hit 7 counterspells in a row

[merry verge]

'And he laughed' get over yourself skeleman

They should have tried guns

Or three Abrams punches

[warm sonnet]

I reckon he had contingencies set in place for just that

And I'm willing to believe that he ensured just his type of execution when doing the Crimes™

[autumn field]

Fucker probably omnicharge signet'd his counterspell

[merry verge]

I'm just saying, everyone but the government knows how to kill him

[autumn field]

Lol

[merry verge]

'Apotheosis' and then what big dog, smh

[warm sonnet]

Then why does he keep coming back, huh?

[autumn field]

Tbf seven can just buy disarming hex and delete Haze soooooooo

[magic summit]

I love Seven because he's a nerd

Most of his conversations is him giving unsolicited advice to the cast

Even his ult lines are just telling people what to do

[gray otter]

seven is evil but also kinda chill

[rich grove]

career advisor in eeeeevillllllll is a very venture bros idea

[vast sandal]

Seven is like

Compulsively dad-pilled in spite of being evil as fuck

[vivid nimbus]

I also love how sassy he is

[vast sandal]

100% evil and willing to kill anyone who gets in his way but also hates to see talent go to waste and wants people to achieve their full potential as wizards

[vast sandal]

Geist remembers him as “a guy who made a fuss at a party once” which is just incredible

He’s Kevin’s bratty boyfriend

[vivid nimbus]

Venator: You killed a friend of mine.
Seven: [Laughter] oh, please! You're still willing to work with me? I killed a work acquaintance at best.

[autumn field]

If Billy and Seven had lines, I bet Seven would be like, "If you know how to read a manual on dark arts, you can read the communist manifesto!"

[merry verge]

Implying Billy can read

[vast sandal]

Billy claiming to have powers equal to Seven’s and just not be leaning over his skis is genuinely insane work

What the fuck are you talking about Billy

[merry verge]

He is the ultimate yapper

[bleak thicket]

billy also claims the goat head was intentional

[somber creek]

Seven being gay is really funny considering the entire rest of his character

[vast sandal]

The goat head does actually seem to be intentional tbh

[rich grove]

maybe Billy is Satan

[autumn field]

Wait he is?

[vast sandal]

In service of what? I have no idea

[gray otter]

yeah seven is kelvin's ex

[rich grove]

have we checked his health scaling

[vast sandal]

Seven is Kelvin’s ex

[rich grove]

it might be 6.66 again

[somber creek]

Seven is heavily implied to be Kelvin's ex lover

[autumn field]

Oh my god lmao

[gritty geode]

Billy would love twitter

[vast sandal]

Also known as L. Ettrick

Which is just

Holy shit what a moniker

[gray otter]

MISTER L ETTRICK: KILL HIM

KILL HIM NOW

[vivid nimbus]

TBF, we don't know Ettrick's first name/initial. But it could be that

[vast sandal]

Listen this is a game where there’s a tank named Abrams

[gray otter]

seven is such a funny character

hes like
evil as fuck

[vast sandal]

His last name’s Ettrick and he’s a lightning ghost

[gray otter]

but not an asshole

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah exactly

[rich grove]

one could perhaps say hes lowkey evil

[vast sandal]

Except to some people

[gray otter]

yeah

[vivid nimbus]

No no Seven is highkey

[autumn field]

Ok wait im not seeing the kelvin seven connection too clearly

[vast sandal]

The heroes he has beef with he’s SUPER petty with

Like Kelvin

[autumn field]

Well, then again, evil smores and nice smores

Sooooo

[vast sandal]

YOU CAN’T RUN FROM ME FOREVER KELVIN

[gray otter]

ok well thats bc theyre exes

[autumn field]

But it is indeed very homoerotic

[vast sandal]

I don’t remember all the specific citations for the Seven-Kelvin connection

But it’s on the wiki

[somber creek]

"YOU DONT KNOW YOUR DAD"

[lavish shale]

There's a lot

[vivid nimbus]

And also we know Ettrick:

• Made a fuss at one of Lady G's parties once
• Was someone with the sort of ambition that Kelvin pushed him away
• Is someone Kelvin expects to eventually kill him

[vast sandal]

And Seven directly says he WILL come to kill Kelvin someday

To Kelvin in specific even

[vivid nimbus]

But it seems like Kelvin does not recognize Seven, despite Seven certainly recognizing him

[vast sandal]

Yeah because Kelvin lost his memory

Known character lore, that

[merry verge]

And Seven did become a horrible skeleton thing

His ex probably had flesh, and less lightning

[vast sandal]

If Kelvin had written down “how to pacify your bratty boyfriend: a guide” before becoming an ice zombie none of this would have happened

[vivid nimbus]

"He seemed... familiar." is one of Kelvin's kill lines for Seven

[vast sandal]

History would call them roommates

[magic summit]

Seven also calls Kelvin a pale imitation of what he used to me

So I think Seven in part wants to murder him for the disconnect between this Kelvin and whatever he was like before he died

[jovial jay]

Ok Compilation of proof:

1. Kelvin dialogue with Geist implies a missing friend "Ettrick" who was angry at KElvin's planned expedition causing a fuss in plain view of everyone. Kelvin notes Ettrick has completely dissapeared - as in "no traces he existed" levels of vanished.
2. SEven Dialogue with Dynamo implies he has had a past lover; he says Kelvin abandoning his celestial body for human body is foolish, not because he doesn't know what love is, but because he has loved someone (and given the tone of voice it didn't work out).
3. Seven's archmother dialogue also implies he beleives his destinyw as stolen from him from people he cared for.

First, your destiny was denied to you. Then, your lover tried to steal it for themselves. But now, with the Archmother's help... it can finally be yours.

4. Rem's dialogue with seven and kelvin via nap time says Kelvin smells like smores, and Seven is evil smores (so there's a connection).
5. Seven explicitly says once Kelvin remembers what he did to Seven he'll understand why Kelvin want's to kill him.
6. Deadlock has Astral Gates - pre Kelvin expedition there were 6 main known of gates and the 1 Kelvin was going to find in the arctic. (Note in actuality there are likely 8+ Given Viscous implies something is coming from another realm to attack the deep, a nother 7th cinrimed in Europe, but none of the characters knew this).

Its not explicitly said outlout, but it can be easily inferred from this, that Ettrick was Kelvin's lover, the expedition went wrong, or Kelvin flat out denied Ettrick the chance to go. Ettrick responded badly, and either came along anyways resulting in something that killed Kelvin, or descended into studying the occult committing war crimes, being arrested. Ettrick (mr. electric), took the name "Seven" as spite for Kelvin stealing the chance to find the seventh gate from him,

and has been on the warpath of apoethosis ever since

[autumn field]

Mmm

[jovial jay]

Also deadlock is INcredibly on the nose with its names

kelvin is ice man, he is named after a unit of temperature

Victor, as in Victor Frankenstein

Mina, Mina ha

So... the Ettrick -> Seven connection fits

As Seven's whole thing is lightning

[vast sandal]

yes

[jovial jay]

Its also implied that Seven has a history with the Venators and OSIC prior to going to lost whisper.
Given he also mentions a "Burgeoning empire" in some of his dialogue, I infer that Ettrick/Seven was already doing evil occult rituals for power in secret, and the expedition being denied was what made him go overboard with it and get arrested by the OSIC/Vatican in his pursuit for power, (he's killed other Venators, and warns Rem nothing good happens with trsuting the OSIC), resulting in his imprisonment in lost whisper and execution attempt

[vast sandal]

also Abrams is a tank, Beep Boop is a robot, Billy is a goat, Calico is a cat, Dynamo is a living powerplant, Graves raises the dead, Infernus sets things on fire, Ivy is a golem animated by living kudzu wearing an Ivy cap, Paige is a bibliomancer, Rem puts people into a state of REM sleep, Shiv throws knives, Silver is a self-destructive werewolf, Vindicta is on a revenge quest, Viscous is made of goo, Vyper is a poisonous snake and Yamato is from Japan

[vestal trench]

Wondering what the L. would stand for

[vast sandal]

Lewis.

[vivid nimbus]

I personally suspect the friend of Venator he killed was one of the seven warlocks sent to the soul obliteration

[jovial jay]

Also possible, but I doubt a Venator would be a "warlock" unless Deadlock's deifnition of warlock is more open ended

[rich grove]

GOLDLEWIS DICKINSON

[jovial jay]

My assumption is catholic priests do not qualify as "warlocks"

[rich grove]

well he draws powers from his patron (God),

[merry verge]

Isn't there some hint that Kelvin may have not been a great dude

[jovial jay]

Yep

Kelvin's doorman lines note he feels guilty over what he may have forgotten

[rich grove]

historically, daring explorers have had somewhat mixed ethical reputations

[vivid nimbus]

I don't think it was one of the Venator order specifically, the "I've killed Venators before" guy is Drifter

[jovial jay]

Kelvin: I never got to say thank you for you patronage, Lady Geist.

Lady Geist: Sarcasm doesn't suit you, Kelvin.

Kelvin: I'm serious! Obviously, the expedition didn't go as planned, but we wouldn't have had the opportunity were it not for your funding.

Lady Geist: What happened?

Kelvin: I don't know. But I intend to find out.

No, It was a venator

https://deadlock.wiki/Seven/Quotes
Venator: You killed a friend of mine.

Seven: [Laughter] oh, please! You're still willing to work with me? I killed a work acquaintance at best.

So at the least someone within the curch, most likely a veantor given venators are the kind of people the church sends after people like seven

[vivid nimbus]

Work acquaintance can still be someone you met through work, not necessarily a coworker

[jovial jay]

Its also seven being dismissive

[vivid nimbus]

True

[jovial jay]

Also given Seven knows what Venators, are and suspects Ven is there to kill him if they're on the same team, not a crazy leap to say they tried before:

Seven: Did your masters at The Vatican send you? [Gasps] Or are you thinking for yourself for a change?

Venator: The fact that there's not a stake through your heart should be answer enough.

Seven: Orders it is.

Venator: Smart lad.

he has experience with them, and given what kind of person he is...

yeah not a friendly chat

[warm sonnet]

Seven's just an ex-catholic gay guy

[jovial jay]

he is in fact sassy evil gay? man

(question mark because liking kelvin could also mean bi)

[autumn field]

I like to imagine Paige goes into a horror arc and starts casting bibliomania

Also what if half the cast vs half the cast gamemode but everyone gets like, 16 item slots as well

[lavish grove]

Is Maren he only character designer?

[vivid nimbus]

I don't think so

But I did find out she's also done illustrations for the VNs

[autumn field]

One of my favorite things about deadlock is that in one game you'll get slurs and the next game you'll get faith girlcel posting

And they're like, "shebop stop bullying me with your bombs :(" and puppygirl crack

[lavish grove]

Ah that makes sense

I thought I recognized her art style in those

[whole moon]

i told a Sinclair he owed me money for my ult

[lavish grove]

Shoulda linked your PayPal

Let him pay off his debts

[maiden ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AZyQIfs5fg

guhhh????

i learn new things every day

[lavish grove]

We gotta stop doorman players man

They’re doing things that

[maiden ledge]

like what the fuck

[lavish grove]

Should not be possible

They’re digging to greedy and too deep

If they keep this up source engine is gonna start summing demons

[maiden ledge]

i didnt even know they had an alt cast 😭 i do not play doorman i just get kidnapped and styled on

[gray otter]

idt its an alt cast

i think its just

they get carted if the cart goes thru a portal and hits them

nevermind???????

[vivid nimbus]

Yep

[finite patrol]

the rare blue cart

I have never used it

[vivid nimbus]

And throwing it through a portal is the only way for Doorman to hit himself with the blue cart

[vast sandal]

@rich grove can attest to my use of the blue cart

it's genuinely devious when it's needed

I think the interaction went "shiv you gotta get the fuck outta here" followed by me noticing the door was still open and using blue cart to eject Thresh from a 5-man gank

[cosmic cypress]

using it to throw misbehaving players under enemy walkers

brb

[autumn field]

main thing i dont like about mirage is how he has sorta-love-bites that are way less satisfying to use

whats up with all my lobbies being trans af recently lmao

[solid glen]

The Cursed Apple is healing

[autumn field]

they are FUCKED lmao

[lavish shale]

I had enhanced Refresher on Viktor once

[autumn field]

welp nvm

they had a gun wraith with good aim

imagine if vic could resist his own damage

[lavish shale]

He could on release

[autumn field]

modding is a blessing for deadlock ngl

[autumn field]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxGTPai54LeRKnlgO3_oVSrd0ZE1iejmOT

[jovial jay]

behold the face of greed
https://youtu.be/Y1r8ulr2snc?si=M533pNFCvjNp0O5_

"yeah I'm just gonna have Abrams solo lane and steal every box on the map for 10 minutes so I have enough buffs to scale into end game. " this was against top 100 eu players too

[autumn field]

I was about to share that

[autumn field]

Also no soul disadvantage so they're actually ahead

Even before accounting for kills

[lavish grove]

This is a strat that’s like Inting Sion from league

It’s not something that the general deadlock public should know about

This is dangerous to get out

I wonder when they’ll update the tutorial videos

Because rn they’re, unfathomably outdated

They still show and describe the old four lane map

[twilit roost]

With how much the game changes probably 2 seconds before 1.0 release

[lavish grove]

True yah

[stable forum]

how big was her egg

...surely there was an egg

no egg

a

[vivid nimbus]

No that’s Wallbreaker Victor

[stable forum]

this is how you make out of combat regen a real thing

[lavish grove]

Wallbreaker Victor doesn’t have the history of int sion though

[stable forum]

oh this is pre-egg

unfortunate

[warm sonnet]

Pregg, eh?

[stable forum]

this always happens when i click all the green stuff in brawl

I feel like i should be buying more green stuff in standard because of this

I guess I didn't click that much green stuff?

[vivid nimbus]

Radiant regen is a choice that makes me wonder what your other two options were

[stable forum]

I really like RR on Silver

Radiant Regeneration is kinda just the most health.

Fortitude is probably similar?

[final osprey]

Greens are especially good in streetbrawl, because generally the team with better sustain is who can actually get objectives down

[stable forum]

proobably, yeah. Street Brawl is very different to the normal mode.

[stable forum]

It hits very comparable healing numbers to Fortitude over the course of a match (assuming Standard) but it also works in combat.

also 1.8 movespeed sometimes is nice

...I do have a bias towards RR in general though.

[lavish grove]

Chat, why is my replay so laggy?

Nvm

I lost this game but I really liked this escape

[final osprey]

The replay feature on Deadlock is pretty Janky

[lavish grove]

Anyway to skip the targeting part of items that let you self target or target a teammate?

It makes a lot of those items kinda clunky when I wanna jsut target myself

[stable forum]

can set self-cast to be doublepress & mash?

[finite grotto]

I do hold for selfcast

[lavish grove]

Oh yah that would work

Thank you

[jovial jay]

Instant cast, or double cast, + rebinds in settings. I have Self cast for some items on my M5 for stuff like healing rite

[somber creek]

https://youtu.be/Rn_YmpDQnpM?si=p5ejHAW4BdnbDa-4

[worldly dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ENto06V7I

[magic summit]

The last 3 times ive seen gun Victor they have been aimbotters

Surely there are non hackers running him as gun

I keep being told how strong it is then I check the stats and they have half gun headshot damage and are perfectly tracking me through walls

[rich grove]

I keep seeing gun victor as a subclass of the wallbreaker victor build where he just runs at your shrines

[lavish shale]

I should probably try gun some time
but tbqh, I play Victor because I can't aim, so I will probably stick with spirit

[bleak thicket]

we did look into this way ago but afaik gun headshot damage isnt included in total gun damage at game end
cause we found a game where someone had more headshot damage than gun damage near the start of a game
tracking through walls on the other hand is a dead giveaway yeah

[whole moon]

I’ve been playing gunvic as a spray and pray with weighted shots, bullet lifesteal, close quarters

Trap em in the slow and pain dimension while you sprint at em

[gritty geode]

gun victor is pretty spooky as a billy and Mo main

That's a really tough fight

[vast sandal]

Berserker

[gritty geode]

Billy can usually take him... on the first life.

[vast sandal]

Berserker gunvic is mean

you get the Berserker and the Frenzy and the Close Quarters rockin and it's actually nuts

[lavish shale]

I also just don't super like how it makes your 2 and 3 kinda dead abilities for the build

aura at least gives another slow and damage amp I guess

[rich grove]

just like in real life

[autumn field]

I fucking love annotated builds

this is a "lazy ass bum ass rem" build

[gray otter]

why does theta zero hate healing nova so much

theyve got it listed as do not buy on their paige build too

i get why its there on paige, shes way more of a backliner than rem but surely the support who attaches himself to his allies is The Best Possible Healing Nova User

[lavish shale]

Nova seems good on Rem to me, if you don't wanna micro Rescue Beam

especially with the extra range from Tag Along

[stable forum]

it's likely because Nova isn't very well statted overall?

& is up against Divine Barrier? Uncertain.

is the reason annotated in the build?

[stable forum]

Rescue Beam is notably a completely different item from Healing Nova. It's primary function is generally grabbing people.

[rich grove]

i think you shouldn't listen too seriously to the advice of someone who seems to write entirely in reddit

[stable forum]

possible? idk. I feel like I don't see Healing Nova much in general.

I know I see it on Ivy.

[worldly dirge]

echo shard binding word on warden is vile

[stable forum]

Nova's probably fine on Rem.

[stable forum]

yes!

[worldly dirge]

i have a very funny clip of wrait just looking defeated

clipping it right now

[stable forum]

I had a match against this earlier.

[worldly dirge]

just finished my game

[stable forum]

as someone who also plays warden I approve of this.

[stable forum]

just search 'range' in the shop and buy every listed item

[worldly dirge]

people lose the sense of urgency to get out of it late game somewhat

and absolutely forget they can still shot

also 1v1 the poor drifter 3 times

[stable forum]

oof

[rich grove]

logbait warden is pretty great

the fact that he is one of two people with dispel magic tells a story

[worldly dirge]

im suprise none one talked the whole game

it did not save him lol

[stable forum]

dispel magic is a fun defensive cooldown which you can bait out with Knockdown :v

force the enemy to burn their defense -> hit them with more CC
or something like that

Indomitable very similar

[rich grove]

yeah that's the theory on the warden build

either that or slow hex

[stable forum]

some very good players will choose to eat knockdown instead of burning defense when it's safe to do so

but that's not super common

I think most people will just push their defensive when they see knockdown

there's also the funny setup with Warden where you time the Knockdown & Binding Word so that if they Counterspell Knockdown they get hit by Binding Word

[autumn field]

what are the shiv counters again?

[gray otter]

prolly slowing hex/vortex web?

[stable forum]

dispell magic, 40%+ debuff resist

[autumn field]

gotcha

[stable forum]

and yeah, things which eat dash abilities

[gray otter]

2 of his buttons are dashes

[stable forum]

spirit resist isn't actually real versus shiv because he has like a 17% innate stacking spirit resist shred or something

on Slice & Dice

[worldly dirge]

the clip i mentioned

[vivid nimbus]

I mean it helps. Some

[stable forum]

it helps but you don't wanna rely on it / buy a lot of it into shred

[worldly dirge]

this is my warden build

i get slowing hex as my 5th item

[stable forum]

I think I'm still buying Knockdown as first item on Warden

(mostly because I think it's funny)

[worldly dirge]

you lose out on the ability to deal damage during the knockdown and have to rely on you lane partner

its fine if you are in vc, but if its a random

good luck

[stable forum]

it works more often than it perhaps should

[autumn field]

my team lost despite soul adv. because we just werent good at teamfights

but i have a question

so if my team was like, mostly alive and they were pushing

is it wrong if i pushed rejuv cuz i could clear it in like a minute solo

[lavish grove]

I thought quicksilver was core on warden?

[autumn field]

if they didnt focus patron so hard i think we wouldve won there

or if we cleared their troopers

also big part of it was their shiv was really fucking good at shiving

shiv is a painnnnnnnnnn when he's fed

[stable forum]

generally mid boss is incorrect unless you have an actual advantage on map

like if at least two enemies are on 50+ second respawns then mid boss is fine

if you don't have blue pushed up it's iffy even then though

[worldly dirge]

macro maybe ?

you want to get mid boss to push at advantage into base

like you have 9 instead of 6 people

[worldly dirge]

its there ?

[autumn field]

My thoughts was that rejuv would give us the ability to fight back properly

[lavish grove]

Oh yah I see it I just thought it was the kinda item you always buy

[worldly dirge]

i always buy it, it says option but its just a extension of core unless you can thing of a better item for that slot

[lavish grove]

Ah okay

[worldly dirge]

the increase of mag is great

[worldly dirge]

still sad i missed flask, it just shot over her, the hitbox is weird on it

[stable forum]

the issue is Mid Boss generally causes a fight to happen. If the enemy team isn't down 2 or whatever they can show up and fight you when they hear the call

[worldly dirge]

Generally you want 3 dead to mid boss

1 dead, you can put pressure in lanes

2 dead, do urn or take walker

[magic summit]

Anti heal

The other mentions are good counters but importantly anti heal

He has a lot of health a built in heal and every shiv insta buys Radiant Regen

[rich grove]

shiv dying to affliction and causing pocket to break their vow of nonviolence is so fucking funny

[autumn field]

geist feels like a god in street brawl ngl

every goddamn game of geist i have i just delete enemy teams

her kit is so fucking easy to use and pops off so damn hard in team fights

i think its partly cuz geist gets big aoes, profits off enemies staying close to her (which is 24/7 in brawl), and their main counter is something people dont really build in brawl

also cuz she can build basically any color and do well

[vast sandal]

there's two really really big assisting factors for Geist in SB

the first is that she never has to go through her early weak phase where she is an easily bullied nerd

the second is that Geist is extremely effective at teamfighting in basically any configuration

[autumn field]

yeah thats what i thought

i never do well in early ngl

im always best when souls hit 30k+

[vast sandal]

I'll teach ya a secret about winning lane phase

do whatever your opponents hate always

if you're up against Vindicta and Wraith your job is to shove the wave down and ignore your lane opponents

if you're up against Drifter and Warden, you play ultra defensive and force them to let you take what's yours

[autumn field]

rad regen is amazing

enhanced rad here

[vast sandal]

rad regen kinda nuts with the characters it actually works on

[autumn field]

yeah

vyper could pull it off i think

[vast sandal]

but yeah if you wanna win lane as tempting as it is to force your agenda

it's much better to play conscientiously of your opponents' agenda and simply never let them have it

[autumn field]

mmm

yeah ill try that

[vast sandal]

if they're playing heroes who want to interact with you in lane you deny it, if they're playing heroes that want to farm in peace you're on em like piranhas

[autumn field]

also something ive learned is since im a farmer

[vivid nimbus]

... Now contemplating rad regen on Fern

[autumn field]

i can just buy egg a lot

[vast sandal]

its real

[autumn field]

fern? oh infernus

[vast sandal]

a good example of Denying Your Opponents' Agenda is if you are up against Bebop in lane you whoop his ass every time he tries to stand on the fuckass high ground and sling hooks

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah. Actually a canonical nickname, a few other characters call him that

[vast sandal]

if that bastard robot pokes his head out it gets shot

[autumn field]

egg is stupid useful

get an 800

then pick up egg

wait for 12 minutes and save 3200~

boom, you got yourself a fat 6400

wraith is a jungler, im convinced

[vast sandal]

one of the people I play with insists you sit on egg til 20:00 for the stage 2 statue buffs

[autumn field]

makes sense

[vast sandal]

imo it depends

if you're saving for Cheat Death on Doorman, nah

you don't need those

if you're Holliday or Paradox yeah sure you need scaling to be relevant lategame

[autumn field]

cheat death doorman is hilarious

also whats the build they use on m&k to fling emselves super far during ult?

[vast sandal]

Maj Leap

[vivid nimbus]

You get stage 2 statue buffs at 10:00 to 29:59 tho

[vast sandal]

wait actually

[autumn field]

how does maj leap work

i dont think that works

[vast sandal]

item active that gives you a massive jump forward and then you can reactivate it to land

the trick is that you use majestic leap and then ult them while the jump is still active, causing you to drag them with you

the mo kidnap is real but it's fiddly

[vivid nimbus]

Also doesn't work if you take damage

Because it locks out maj leap

[autumn field]

yeah its too fiddly for me

[rich grove]

for paradox at least buying egg on the character who has an incredible early midgame power spike and wants to roam at all times is demented

if you want the cash injection just take trophy and do not grief your own strongest stage in the game

[vivid nimbus]

The simpler version is magic carpet

[autumn field]

For me I dunno why but I only play well in lategame

[vivid nimbus]

Because you can use it from outside line of sight, then fly in and ult and just drift a bit on the leftover momentum

[rich grove]

you should probably be buying trophy anyway because trophy is just good rn on roamers but outside of "you're fighting apollo kelvin and lane is lost" egg has largely never made sense on the hero

her actual lane lane is just ok nowadays, definitely not bad by any stretch but until you get ult it can be rough against actual big dogs

[vast sandal]

yeah I think eggdox sucks, you buy trophy and fortitude and you terrorize the entire map

but I have a friend who plays it and makes her work on a strict "pop egg as soon as you leave lane" basis

like

egg first and then once 10:00 hits she pops it and leaves me to my solo farm lol

[rich grove]

i find as you start getting into earlier and earlier fights and rotates, and your mechanics get good enough to actually punish people for oversteps in lane the pain of that 10 minutes goes waaaaaaay up

[vast sandal]

real

[lavish grove]

Chat I’ve been having the same issue for the past 10 games

Where I’m playing Victor, we do well in the early, mid and late game

Get to the enemy stronghold

Get their patron to stage 2

And then lose the game over the course of 15 minutes

It keeps happening really consistently

So there’s gotta be something I’m doing wrong

Anyone have advice to actually ending games?

[bleak thicket]

do you just keep trickling in one by one after failing to take stage 2 the first time?

[lavish grove]

No we’re trying to team fight

We just start losing

Though I won’t say I’ve never been caught trying to solo push a lane

[bleak thicket]

my advice in those cases is pull back
wait for a pick off
do mid boss if its up and then push again

[vast sandal]

Okay

I can explain how one gets clowned trying to get patron phase 2 and that should help you figure out how to avoid it

Losing at the very end of the game is surprisingly common because at that stage a shift in momentum is enough for the enemy team to immediately break your base objectives and have time to secure the W

Basically to defraud at the end of the game what you’re looking for is like, one or two really solid picks and then to roll over the enemy team while they’re at a disadvantage, if you can do that and seize the momentum and group up you can basically just win

So basically just play more defensively and only pick fights when you’re sure everyone is there and ready to rock, if you go down faces at the end of the game get ready to give up objectives and circle the wagons rather than try to take the entire team into a disadvantaged teamfight, because that’ll lead to losing, wiping, and then the game ends with enemy victory no matter how well you were doing up to that point

[autumn field]

also why midboss is so good for pushing i assume

[bleak thicket]

cause you get three extra lives

and a big buff while the rejuv buff is active

[lavish grove]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

Will attempt to implement this all

[vast sandal]

The value of rejuv is that you get to make mistakes / go down faces and not immediately cede ground

[vivid nimbus]

If you have good picks, it can be real easy to ambush someone trying to push their waves out of base

[vast sandal]

Or

You can use rejuv to forcibly win a teamfight

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah

[bleak thicket]

oh wait does rejuv no longer give you buffs?

[vivid nimbus]

Turns out extra lives is enough

[vast sandal]

Rejuv does give buffs but like

[vivid nimbus]

So go take that 9v6

Nope it's just the extra lives now

[vast sandal]

Nah it gives statue buffs

Also full health!

[bleak thicket]

it gives you statue buffs

[vivid nimbus]

Oh those buffs, yeah

[bleak thicket]

it used to give you stat buffs while the rejuv was still up

changed in november

[vast sandal]

It does still give you a health regeneration buff too

But like

When does that matter

[bleak thicket]

does it?

[vast sandal]

Yes

[vivid nimbus]

First one to punch it gets a heal

[lavish grove]

I never noticed tbh

[vast sandal]

Stealing the regenerator full-heal is incredibly funny

[bleak thicket]

it doesnt

[vivid nimbus]

No it's an instant heal when you punch it

[vast sandal]

Huh

[bleak thicket]

thats not a health regeneration buff

[vast sandal]

I was sure you got extra health regeneration when Rejuv was available

Wild

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it's not regen

[vast sandal]

The buff icon is right there

[vital knoll]

My biggest complaint with rejuv is I wish you could see who's used it

[bleak thicket]

you do get a full heal on punching it

[bleak thicket]

you can!

has buff

[vital knoll]

Yeah it's in the kill feed but after that I don't believe you can track who else has used it

Oh I mean like on the hotbar

[bleak thicket]

no its literally visible on the hero

[vital knoll]

Or uh the heroes at the top

[vivid nimbus]

And at the top of the screen, people who have rejuv available will have a gold line under their soul value

[vast sandal]

You can see if a teammate is respawning via Rejuv

[bleak thicket]

have buff

[vital knoll]

This is what I was looking for and was not aware of ty

[bleak thicket]

honestly i wasnt aware of this one

[vital knoll]

That's so subtle

[bleak thicket]

so thanks tech!

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah I played for a while before I noticed too

[vital knoll]

Okay allow me to amend: I wish that indicator were clearer

[vivid nimbus]

It's also harder to notice for orange team

[vital knoll]

Or more obvious what it is

A rejuv icon on the portraits for example

[vast sandal]

I never knew about the gold line

So yeah I wish that was a little more distinct

[vivid nimbus]

The more you know!

I knew for a bit the team with rejuvs had the lines, it took me longer to notice that players who had used a charge were missing the line

[autumn field]

wraith is funny stuff to me

she's like my favorite in terms of her exodia builds

but she never feels "right" to play to me

geist is bae

mina is fun if i can get my hands on rico soon or burst fire

well then

sometimes you get nothing and then you get hit with the carry build

[lavish grove]

Vladimir Lenin said that I think

[autumn field]

brawl gave me the best possible enhanced greens for mina somehow

plated armor vs full orange team

like

enemy graves...

i hate you...

[vivid nimbus]

Ricochet + silencer + toxic, all enhanced, is some sort of crime

Oh wait that's inhibitor, not silencer. Still a crime

Shooting that 86% healing reduction everywhere

[rich grove]

phrasing

[vivid nimbus]

I stand by it

[autumn field]

we lost cuz i got hit by [enemy graves targetting only me]

i wish you could use enhanced items in customs...

[somber creek]

https://www.tumblr.com/casmicoo/816542258842222592/mina-doodlesilove-her?source=share @ivory reef Winged I believe you've been designated for cute Mina art please alert if this is invalid.

Cas

mina doodles...ilove her

-# #mina ha #deadlock #been playing her a lot recently :3c

Tumblr · May 13, 2026, 11:36 PM

[jovial jay]

bit late to this but you can track headshots via gun (crit). if that rate is equal to or higher than base gun damage someone is hacking. as an example checkout this wraith I played a week or two ago against who talked trash the whole game with a headshot percentage of 45%+. totally normal guys.

average plays headshot accuracy even for pros tends to cap at around 25-30%, consistently exceeding that margin is absolutely reasonable grounds to go "oh you cheating"

[finite patrol]

Mina is a type of bird

[bleak thicket]

having more headshots early is not a sign of cheating, usually
if the trend keeps for the rest of the game though, then yeah

[autumn field]

that looks sus af

[finite patrol]

it does not

headshots are super easy to land in lane

[vivid nimbus]

People play much closer to each other in lane trades

[finite patrol]

I'll be real cheatvestigating people who beat you is 98.7% toxic behaviour by volume

[jovial jay]

They bought rapid recharge in lane on Wraith

I promise you, they were cheating

[finite patrol]

don't make me a promise you cant keep

[jovial jay]

Ok Cortana

[finite patrol]

smurfing still is more likely than cheating

if they were cheating, more than 50% of their shots would be headshots, dont you think?

[jovial jay]

They have more crit (headshot) damage than base gun damage

so yes

that requirement is met

Deadlock Crits = headshots

https://deadlock.wiki/Weapon_Damage#Base_Bullet_Damage

[finite patrol]

anyway, this cave is not a natural formation and this is the way this conversation ends.

[slender falcon]

I should get back into Deadlock

[finite patrol]

im kinda waiting for the next major patch myself. hope its soon

and i hope its jungle / neutral objectives / map rather than extra heroes

[bleak thicket]

they have been slowly finishing rooms around the map

but yeah i do hope we get a big map pass patch

[vast sandal]

I heard grumbling about a bunch of versions getting pushed recently so some kind of material update might be in the works

[merry verge]

I do wonder what kind of vibe the jungle camps will have

Shall it be New York and we got the giant rats

[undone galleon]

if mid boss becomes Big Rat that Would be kinda sick

[finite patrol]

mid boss should be an alligator

[vestal hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-no-look-up-kid-gif-17649851630402526285

[slender falcon]

playing street brawl

this shit hella fun

nvm I'm lowk dogshit

[vast sandal]

street brawl moment

it's kind of just a tossup sometimes, just gotta try your best with the itemization you know

[slender falcon]

I think my issue is also in part being very new to the game

[vast sandal]

most likely

[slender falcon]

110% my fault because I suck at the game but FUCK DOORMAN BRO

[vast sandal]

lmao

Thank you for giving your life at the Baroness. Gratuities are never expected, but always appreciated.

[slender falcon]

at least games are quick so I can't get too mad

IF HE SAYS "Your stay will be unforgettable" ONE MORE TIME

HRGHHHHHH

okay I fw billy

I fw billy a lot

[autumn field]

Wanna queue with my chud ass

[slender falcon]

sure

gimme a sec to finish this round

[autumn field]

I play basically everyone

btw if you have a mouse with side buttons bind melee, parry, or abilities to it

Helps a LOT

[slender falcon]

yeah I've been doing that

it's super helpful

[autumn field]

username?

[slender falcon]

holy fuck those games were ass

[autumn field]

fr

[slender falcon]

0-3 twice in a row

[autumn field]

im trying another game

[slender falcon]

Fair

[autumn field]

im doing 3x better now wtf

like

also seriously

wtf is up with brawl deciding i cant build spirit billy

[slender falcon]

I'm cursed, clearly

[cosmic cypress]

trying not to complain but I feel like I'm playing Okay but I've gone from alchemist 1 to seeker 3

just continually throwing games

[autumn field]

I did insane this game

just tanked so fucking much damage

tanked 60k damage

and dealt 60k back

fought a tankpollo

[merry verge]

Modded screenshots are bewildering

[autumn field]

lmao

[merry verge]

I don't know enough about Itachi to make guesses

[autumn field]

doorman

[merry verge]

33k healing gotdamn

[vivid nimbus]

Sometimes you can recognize the pose

[finite patrol]

it also says the hero name above the player name

[merry verge]

I like how Billy normalizes Venafur

squints ohyeah

[finite patrol]

: )

[slender falcon]

I need to figure out mods

[autumn field]

i love abrams

runed gauntlets turns my playstyle into "heavy melee"

Someone said it was like an angry ape who wanted their banana

This is correct

I play the M1 Abram for the sole purpose of HEAVY MELEE

[worldly dirge]

Can you even play m1 abrams, his gun isnt great

[mild flume]

his gun is pretty good

has been nerfed a bunch admittedly

[merry verge]

his gun used to make the other shotguns feel like they were firin nerf darts

[ivory reef]

This is excellent thank you

[ivory reef]

I'm with Nik, this is toxic as fuck. Have we all already forgotten that battlefield streamer incident?

Precision aim players are a thing and yes they're better than pros because pros just have a much more varied set of skills

https://youtu.be/LDl0u7A3ATM

[mild flume]

damn good video

[ivory reef]

Here found the original video I ran into on the subject ages ago https://youtu.be/z772xJRUeYc

Anyway this is still a separate skill to getting headshots using deadlock smgs (which is just tracking not flicking)

Like actually people can just be good at aiming

[median lantern]

Deadlock also has lower speed projectiles and inheritance so Tribes Freaks can really shine

[twilit roost]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/dXPa0uJRSy important work going on

[autumn field]

M1 in the sense of the actual tank

[jovial jay]

I forget if they nerfed the scaling but there are builds for it

if nothing else your melee gun items do benefit the gun, kinetic dash solves most reload issues, and stacking dot effects isn't the worst when you're firing a hand cannon

[somber creek]

My understanding is also that if you build express shot he can blow people to smithereens

[autumn field]

wtf is brawl up to today

[rich grove]

he got his shoulder charge steroid and scaling nerfed but he's always been a good carrier of hunter's aura and kdash

hybrid brams is still around but pure gun is going to have issues lategame

doesnt really benefit from any of the premiere damage spikes like merc mag or spellslinger

[autumn field]

they gave me every single abrams lategame green ever but none of the spirit this game

also dynamo spikes so hard its crazy

his 1 goes from nothingburger to "DIE" so fast

[jovial jay]

wellthere's always frenzy or silencer. if nothing else silencer is 15% spirit resist and more ways to wombo combo if you hit someone with the shoulder charge. if they don't die from round 1 of cc sometimes the answer really just is going "another one"

it does take 3 shots but that's workable

[autumn field]

also spirit graves...

hmmm spirit is way better than gun in late on graves for sure

[rich grove]

i'm sure it's fine, it's just not as cracked as it was once upon a time

[jovial jay]

yep yep

it's a weird balance because any character with a good scaling gun runs the risk of becoming op

Warden is good but not broken rn, mostly builds gun and literally none of his abilities but the cage directly buff gun damage

if Abrams had good gun scaling there'd be no stopping him

[finite patrol]

a couple patches ago he did have pretty good gun stats and he was broken in half

[jovial jay]

yuuuup

[rich grove]

yeah he got the +8.5 damage per pellet or whatever on shoulder charge hit and people fucking exploded

[slender falcon]

Street Brawl is scary

[jovial jay]

Street brawl is for real gamblers

[autumn field]

im a bit crazy imma queue mina and buy egg first item

unless i get rem

in which case im stealing ALL the sinners

and buying trophy + cult sac

[finite patrol]

egg Mina is profoundly sick

[slender falcon]

team just recovered a 0-2 start

[finite patrol]

street brawl is very hard to 3-0

taking the walker when you only have 3 round of items is super difficult

[rich grove]

^

[slender falcon]

That would also make sense

[autumn field]

im a farm machine so its probably gonna be like, egg -> trophy -> sell egg -> cult sac -> trans nox + stam mast -> see fight -> take potshots -> NEW YORK IS MY FEEDING GROUND -> yay more moneys

[finite patrol]

I think you can just forego egg get 2 points in rake and 4.8k spike and 2 shot people

which is probably a lot more econ than egg

[autumn field]

true, but i plan to sell at 12 minutes~

[rich grove]

this is one of the worst build orders i've ever seen

[finite patrol]

dont give up so easily thresh

getting egg trophy collector and cultist sacrifice is bad for sure

but she could be selling egg to buy magic carpet

seriously though you need to hit 4.8ks. just going all econ is going to be horrible

[rich grove]

i guess if the plan is to just pure jungle for the first 20 minutes anyway then this might be better than the alternative

[autumn field]

tbh my elo is so dogshit you'll have billies building rebuttal as their 2nd item

[rich grove]

okay

[vivid nimbus]

It's free money

[autumn field]

i can get away with pure econ and jungle lmao

that being said, its not gonna be this bad in actuality

lemme make a build rq

very roughly

its more like using trophy or cult as part of your 4.8ks

the rest of the items are just things i frequently use

i also like refresher mostly cuz the ult is funny, but its a lux / 12k ahead kinda item

im not sure but reverb on rake is kinda funny

[twilit roost]

Ok that actually might be insanely big brained

[somber creek]

I mean rebuttal isnt character dependent

Its player

[autumn field]

Insert joke about billies not knowing how to parry

[jovial jay]

also weirdly billy also can get some milage out of rebuttal by tricking you into a melee fight or whiffing a parry.

the mind games are strong and if you fall for it he will end you

[mild flume]

I mean if your elo is terrible just build aggro and slaughter your lane and snowball the game

[magic summit]

Ya know related to the cheating thing yesterday I spectated my friend today, saw they were playing against a cheater, then played later in the day and just. Played against the exact same cheater

Maybe there is just a hacker wave right now, I go like months without seeing them then like 1 a day this week

[gritty geode]

Low elo billy is just pressing w and smoking a dude with your gun as they mind game themselves about your melee

[autumn field]

ngl ive started to finally get a bit of parry instinct and its so fun watching abrams fucking die cuz you got debuff reducer

also would like a bullet resist t3/4 ver

[mild flume]

its very funny

[autumn field]

billy is so funny to me

sometimes ill be taking 5 people and winning

sometimes ill die in 0.2 seconds

really funny, also i hate playing vs bulk tanks

abrams, m&k, etc

they dont really do that much damage, its just not super fun

[jovial jay]

yeah the anti cheat isn't in fully. there's video footage of vindicta players with perfect accuracy ...

while Blinded by drifter ult

https://youtu.be/aMdBeUkkqu4?si=NXRb2s4EWkM6Lbtl

oh and after being called out for it they toggle settings and stop doing it

[magic summit]

Funnily enough the one we went against didn't have auto parry on

Which became our main method to try to kill her

[jovial jay]

yep there's likely different versions and settings out there tf2 style

generally things to look for if you have suspicions are to check the replay for insane shots relative to rank,

accuracy relative to other players at rank etc

and of course auto parties

[autumn field]

i like how deadlock has enough skill expression that cheats dont instantly equal wins

[jovial jay]

yeah it's one of the benefits of it's longer ttk

part of the reason players may fly into a "hacker accusation" in twitch shooters is that perfect play and a hacker result in very similar experiences on the recieving end - you dead in roughly half a second or less with no time to react

deadlock having longer times to kill and more intrinsic mobility makes perfect accuracy very much a noticable outlier that feels wrong and can be tested for in a game

[autumn field]

i like low ttk games in general, but thats why i do best in endgame

cuz the longest ttks ive dealt with were... overwatch

[jovial jay]

I started in halo I've always preferred longer ttks in my shooters

twitch shooters always just feel like they reward adrenaline too much.

I know it's a skill to be able to know what sightlines to push, when, where and flick consistently ,

but I've also always liked games where someone getting jumped can turn it around if they execute better and that's a lot harder to do when the ttk in cod/battlefield can average under half a second for perfect kills

also helps combat medium latency feeling bad when one shot kills are rarer

[autumn field]

then again, my type of game tends to be a positioning kinda game

so marathon

[jovial jay]

fair

I've wanted to try marathon but the handling of d2 and the 40 dollar price tag when deadlock is right there... does t feel worth to me

[rich grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277320415328604242/1505446249875247304/9B43B052-41CC-4186-9130-EE5088298A2B.png?ex=6a0aa793&is=6a095613&hm=b91964a2287d5afb5a5adedbc02ef13825f08baac8ba0eb513ba6a6295d20989&

LET'S GO! SLICE AND DICE! CUTTIN THRU! SLICE AND DICE! LET'S G

[autumn field]

ngl its a really good game, but id wait for season 3~5 before touching it

it's really rough but S2 should add a ton more friendliness to newer / not so extraction inclined players, and S5 is supposed to be where it gets all polished up

or to be more exact, play it next year

[jovial jay]

I've heard that story before

twice as a matter of fact

looks at d1 and d2

pretty sure that's a hat trick of "rough first years" from them

[rich grove]

marathon is good enough as-is

[autumn field]

really rough in the sense of "for people who dont play extractions"

[rich grove]

for context

[jovial jay]

I admit I'm not much of marathons central audience

[rich grove]

i was also not a huge extraction shooter player, but also i was a crucible fiend

[jovial jay]

and I also say that as a d2 player with... god 7k hours in d2

[rich grove]

so i think i just have something fundamentally broken with me as a person

[autumn field]

there's no good wiki yet, dunno about sherpas, etc

LUCKILY

LUCKILY, if you're a Halo player, you know how to pvp in marathon

[jovial jay]

i mean outside cryo it's not like the game has raid level mechs iirc

[autumn field]

you have the powerslide and a pile of guns you should be familar with

cryo's raid mechanics is only on the final boss, which is for only 5%-something of the population

also one big reason to wait is cuz im hoping they change the seki quests

[mild flume]

I'm pretty terrible at it and was playing on bad ping but had a good time with marathon in general

game is cool and fantastic aesthetic/vibewise

[lavish grove]

Chat I just saw a haze build radiant regen for the first time

Is that a real thing?

I feel like haze neither does a lot of spirit damage or casts that many spells for it to be worth it

here was the build

felt very weird

[worldly dirge]

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[worldly dirge]

her 3 does 20 spirit every 20 stacks, her 1 has good spirit scaling, so its viable but not the best choice

[undone galleon]

meee

the game lags so bad the moment i get into the map

[worldly dirge]

its off meta to say the least

[lavish grove]

Ah alright

And yah, spirit damage every 20 shots seems quite slow for what you want out of radiant regen

Also dagger but still

[worldly dirge]

you get 2 stacks on headshot

[lavish grove]

Oh that’s better then

[worldly dirge]

so if you have aim you could run it like that

but life steal is better

specially vampiric for ult

you are unkillable

[lavish grove]

Yah fury trance or vamp burst seems really hard to give up

[worldly dirge]

fury trance is ok, late game it kind of falls off

you cant use stamina

[lavish grove]

It does just seem like, worse but cheaper vamp burst to me

I’m looking at it rn and it’s only unique stat is the spirit resist

[worldly dirge]

vap burst gives a ton of life steal when active

if you are fighting a spirit heavy comp then fury trance can be good but for using in ult im not sure

dont play her too much because my aim is ass

[lavish grove]

Alright

[worldly dirge]

get her from time to time when playing brawl because of random hero pick

[lavish grove]

You play with random selected?

[jovial yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTLntXT73-o

yooo

New video looking deeper into the concepts in deadlock

[jovial jay]

yes. note haze only has 2 spirit items on her slots to hit 4800; this gives her min money for max return. taking a closer look. its 1600 spirit power for more mag size and radiant Regen for some hp Regen, and crucially move speed.

move speed is actually pretty important on Haze because if you want to build fixation an easy way to do it is to have enough speed to super slide at any time and Regen helps gets you that and gets you to your break point

[lavish grove]

Interesting

I’m used to haze getting surge of power as her tier 3 spirit item

But that is interesting

[stable forum]

I think this might be the only case where RR is fake

RR is really strong though

oh, RR over Surge is a thing which can make sense, yeah

you can probably build Radiant Regeneration any place you'd normally buy Surge of Power

[worldly dirge]

yup, you get 2 re rolls in the first 2 rounds

[lavish grove]

Wait do you mean your hero is random or your items are random?

Because I know how the street brawl items work

[worldly dirge]

when you pick random hero you get 2 rerolls instead of the normal 1

[lavish grove]

Oh, I never knew

That’s interesting

[worldly dirge]

i think it serves as a handicap of sorts

[lavish grove]

Yah absolutely

Playing a random hero is like, a huge handicap

[final osprey]

I'd describe playing random hero as the normal way to play streetbrawl.

[lavish grove]

Really?

I’ve never seen or heard anyone play random hero before now

It’s not like Aram where that’s the base rule

[vivid nimbus]

I used to play random until it gave me Holliday three times in one night and now I don’t trust it

[gritty geode]

Just hit headshots 4head

[maiden ledge]

i want to play run it down victor so bad

[final osprey]

I think the window to do it probably closing. I don't think they're gonna let the wall breaker stay.

[maiden ledge]

😔

[lavish shale]

what does that build even do?

[maiden ledge]

rush objectives then skip the base guardians to go for shrines directly

die on shrine and then revive and keep doing it and dying while taking half shrine hp to all of the shrines depending on how attentive they are

which if everyone is on an urn fight and dropping like flies whether or not the team gets the urn is less material to you specifically since you are

in fact

taking the shrine while theyre not looking

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1tfv1cz/maybe_its_a_bit_of_column_a_bit_of_column_b/

[agile void]

Isnt it also because fixation technically procs RR?

t1

[stable forum]

it procs RR's heal over time but doesn't count as a cast?

[agile void]

I guess so, Lovebites works like that, doesnt it?

actually I just realized

[agile void]

there is actually 2 RRs

Rapid recharge

and Radiant regen

rapid also helps if there is a lot of disables, Haze gets a cleanse on smoke bomb

[vivid nimbus]

Wrong. Recharging Rush

[agile void]

...

FUCK

they should probably change some names actually

[final osprey]

Deals just stupid amount of objective damage, whilst being tanky enough to ignore defenders.

Essentially means, if your waves aren't all pushed out you're losing half an objective at least a lot of the time

It also has a really good lane

[vivid nimbus]

No one complains about Mystic Shot, Mystic Slow, and Metal Skin

There's gonna be some acronym collisions in 100+ items

[rich grove]

also meters per second and movespeed :v)

8v)

[vivid nimbus]

Oh also Rapid Rounds, so 4 RRs

[rich grove]

also also because radiant regen is just flat movespeed I'm unsure if it gets percentage penalized by the movement while shooting downsides, which would make it a billion times worse than surge of power

as opposed to just maybe five or ten

[agile void]

sprint is the OOC speed

just regular is the base speed, and the more important one

[slender falcon]

street brawl both feels super fun and like the 9th layer of hell

[rich grove]

not really relevant to what I was saying

surge of power gives you (temp) full movespeed while firing your gun ala fleetfoot's passive, radiant regen does not

both give the same flat movespeed bonus, but my understanding is that because your speed is reduced by you firing your gun, the movement bonus of radiant regen would be smaller in practice

because you fire your gun a lot on haze [citation needed]

[maiden ledge]

got queued into a match of McGs thinking oh i can try building spirit! Guess who only got Gun and Health the first two rounds

super fun but it can sense your desires

[rich grove]

the heal is buns because the fixation damage doesn't proc the cast heal which is the actually significant part, and a +100 hp heal for 3200 compared to a fat chunk of damage on your initiation tool that also speeds you up is just more value + builds out of a better lane item

[agile void]

Oh i though it did, nevermind

actually

toxic counts?

[rich grove]

completely bizarre but not much better

[autumn field]

Ngl i just call stuff rad regen, rapid, or gun recharge

And so on

[finite grotto]

Damm thinking about it wall breaker viktor do be kinda like proxy singed

[finite patrol]

singed was more about wave manipulation than blowing up towers though right

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah

Wallbreaker Victor is more like Inting Sion, you're here to take towers/objectives and you don't care much if you die in the process

[stable forum]

I get that it's the logical conclusion to 'sometimes it's correct to die on objectives' but I find Wallbreaker unpleasant. I guess I should buy Disarming Hex more maybe? idk.

[finite patrol]

the real counterplay is managing lanes well and preventing victor from getting on objectives by keeping the wave far away but its hard to have everyone be on top of waves all the time in pubs

[merry verge]

The counterplay for Singed was to know your next game will be different

[vivid nimbus]

Proxy Singed was like... imagine if enemy Infernus was in your base shooting your troopers off ziplines and clearing them there so that his teammates could EZ push your towers

That's the closest you could get I think

[finite grotto]

Ye I was just thinking singed due to chilling in base and doing a thing that reduces the enemy team total income.

This might be a hot take but I feel like they should just make the shrines immune if all 3 walkers are still up and that fixes the problem

It doesn't really effect the game at all other then making wallbreaker strats until later not functional. esp due to the permanent effect shrine deaths give

[finite patrol]

I dont think they need to go that far

just make shrines backdoor protected if you have any base guardians alive

sorry, make shrines backdoor protected unless any base guardian pairs are dead

I said that backwords

[finite grotto]

Hmhm

I feel like it might be a bit awkward due to the uneven number of pairs to shrines

[finite patrol]

Its still a problem how victor can eat walkers

[finite grotto]

Third shrine where you at

Make it like below patron /s

[finite patrol]

it works fine

if you have ANY pair down then the backdoor protection drops

for both shrines

just like how a siege works normally

[finite grotto]

Icic ye that works

They can buff the base guards then as well cause they do be wet noodles

I would def like for them to have more punch and or tankyness

[finite patrol]

I dont think thats necessary. we dont want to go back to having sieging be impossible

[finite grotto]

Fair. It might be my league brain that is still perplexed by how relatively non threating every structure minus walker is in deadlock even with the hours I have now

Def not a bad thing tho

[finite patrol]

yeah it definitely takes from dota in that respect

compared to league where tower aggro like, 4 shots you

[lavish shale]

yeah Guardians are so utterly non threatening after the super early game

the heal orbs do way more to keep you alive than your Guardian

[rich grove]

tower dives are such a big part of even mid level play once you know how to parry the guy

like you can just disrespect it sometimes

and its entirely fine

[merry verge]

towers are sort of a laser pointer for Silver post-ult

[rich grove]

ive had to back up almost all the way to walker sometimes

[merry verge]

obviously they should add a Throw mechanic so you can counter the people parrying tower /nod nod

[rich grove]

mods TRUE this user

[finite grotto]

Ye. I def do believe it is nessecary. It def highlights the mobility of everyone in the game and also if they would be way more threatening I feel like no one would die in lane anymore. Just zoom towards your tower with said mobilty

[autumn field]

i just had the worst best game ever

everyone in the lobby sucked, except for vyper

(this includes me fyi)

one side would get rejuv and lose it in a teamfight 30 seconds later

the other would get it and lose it in a teamfight 30 seconds later

perfect stalemate, except vyper snuck into their base (we were "winning", so our troopers pushed in to a degree), and shredded hidden king

[autumn field]

stole it :3

died but i stole it

[jovial jay]

Good steal