Rem gives you a lot of chores to do like stealing farm and regularly cleaning out the tunnels of boxes
#Deadlock
rich grove
crisp fog
Idk moba shit too well so I don't know how to clean up boxes without also just abandoning my teammate or getting cornered
rich grove
if you're fine with learning how to do that then he's very capable, but if not he falls off a cliff
crisp fog
how do I learn that
rich grove
I don't play the character so I'm not well versed on resources
crisp fog
also you can crawl into vents as Rem (and calico) iirc
worldly dirge
This should get you set up
rich grove
yeah that's what I mean
worldly dirge
also you can crawl into vents as Rem (and calico) iirc
And mo and krill
Also grey tallon ult
rich grove
the tunnels contain boxes that few other characters can access
and Rem is also really, really efficient at hoovering up the spare econ because of helpers
crisp fog
Also grey tallon ult
the ol' grenade vent trick
worldly dirge
Getting curse and using it while having tag allong maxed is very funny, you ruin someone's day for 5 seconds
rich grove
so it's pretty much his job to harvest those +800-odd souls every single time they respawn and keep the team's net worth high
crisp fog
I don't think that'll be an issue as much as like twenty other more fundamental things will be
worldly dirge
You get 30% extra souls at max
bleak thicket
tested this and it does extend her range
vivid nimbus
Dont want too high due to how comeback souls work
The souls on your team are still worth more than the comeback souls the other than gets
worldly dirge
tested this and it does extend her range
Neat
rich grove
if you want to be forced to learn how to do all this macro stuff and keep track of timers, I will say he is maybe the single best character to pick as a result
you will be able to psychically tell people when vending machines are up and when to contest the small camp and bridge buffs in lane
worldly dirge
Or you can just not engage at all lol, and slowly learn
crisp fog
deadlock is at an interesting intersection where I'm familiar enough at shooters (despite me being bad) so I can play that but also am still 30 years late on all moba knowledge plus the idiosyncrasies of Deadlock itself
So it's not like Fighting Games where I'm just 50 years behind by virtue of birth and playing super mario galaxy and endless ocean as my childhood games
rich grove
you can also be splitpush man at low elo and destroy people's towers with helper creeps
crisp fog
and also flash games
rich grove
which is very funny
worldly dirge
The best troop to put you lil helper on is the melee one
in lane its the healer to delay their hp
rich grove
if you want to be maximally annoying in lane, camp the creeps as they get low and then put the helper on them when they're low
instantly 100% health again + resists
crisp fog
creeps?
worldly dirge
Troopers
rich grove
yeh
crisp fog
and killing them sates my desire to push forever and ever
worldly dirge
They have several names, most borrowed from other mobas
worldly dirge
The official name is troopers
crisp fog
good to know
worldly dirge
Rarely called that though lol
rich grove
ey baws im here ta shoot da tower
crisp fog
I play with my friend so Idk what kinda strategies can we pull in low ranks since nobody know anything, me included (he played league so he knows some things)
worldly dirge
ey baws im here ta shoot da tower
Fugget about it, there's a rem pillow about to hit us for 700 damage
rich grove
im splitpushin ovah heah
crisp fog
what's a split push?
worldly dirge
I play with my friend so Idk what kinda strategies can we pull in low ranks sinc...
Seven mo and krill magic carpet hell
worldly dirge
what's a split push?
Pushing 2 lanes at once
crisp fog
magic carpet?
worldly dirge
Active item
Makes you fly but cancels if you use anything
And you can stop flying
crisp fog
how does that help?
rich grove
it's a meme
worldly dirge
You fly to the enemy and mo and krill combo them, you put a ball on them and shoot their head while 3 is active, watch them die
crisp fog
that feels a bit later in the game
vast sandal
Magic Carpet is borderline impossible to stop once you’re moving, very fast, gives you access to verticality most characters can’t get to and basically lets you peace out of ganks
crisp fog
magic carpet sounds useful for me since I tend to die
because I can't escape from these bastards who shoot me at exactly 2.8 second intervals
interrupting my zipline
worldly dirge
Magic carpet will not save you from a gank, will get you out of one though if you can create a little distance
cosmic cypress
you can do the weird zipline hop where you jump on the zipline until you get pulled towards it, then immediately jump off, then repeat
vast sandal
It’s a bit of a meme but any character can become a viable-ish split pusher with Magic Carpet
cosmic cypress
that way you're not ON the zipline so you don't get stunned
worldly dirge
you can do the weird zipline hop where you jump on the zipline until you get pul...
Small issue, they can shoot you while you are hopping on
vast sandal
you can do the weird zipline hop where you jump on the zipline until you get pul...
Ziplaunch is also just a good thing to learn
crisp fog
well more so they interrupt before I can even get on the thing but that helps I guess
cosmic cypress
Small issue, they can shoot you while you are hopping on
it's not foolproof yeah
but it's better than just riding
crisp fog
Ziplaunch is also just a good thing to learn
is that just dashing after jumping off the zipline?
worldly dirge
Yup
vast sandal
If you can ziplaunch you have the ability to do the advanced lane rollout
vast sandal
is that just dashing after jumping off the zipline?
Do you know zipdashing
worldly dirge
is that just dashing after jumping off the zipline?
Control drops you off it with momentum
crisp fog
I think the answer is no
vast sandal
Okay so
Zipdash is dropping off zip line with crouch to retain air control and momentum
vast sandal
And then using your air dash during the control period to do a REALLY fast airdash that hurls you towards your target
cosmic cypress
which is neat
crisp fog
that explanation video with dynamo feels a bit trash cos why would I ult like that
and also I'm not always dynamo
worldly dirge
You can combo it with seven and lash ult for funny results
vast sandal
If you zipdash from the initial jump onto the line, that’s called ziplaunch and it lets you absolutely schmoove on people as long as your hyperline is deployed nearby
worldly dirge
that explanation video with dynamo feels a bit trash cos why would I ult like th...
What video ?
Oh that one
Man that is some old deadlock
vast sandal
In general the reason you want to do wacky Dynamo movement into ult is because everyone knows if you have your ult ready and is gonna be wary of incoming Singularity
So if you want to get a juicy multi hit ult you have to be moving different
cosmic cypress
if I see dynamo it's literally all I'm thinking about
'Don't get caught don't get caught don't get caught'
worldly dirge
Some people get good at reading when dynamo is going to ult
vast sandal
You gotta be there before they even know you’re there
rich grove
or you have the rest of your team create such a ruckus that they tunnel vision and 'run away from dynamo' is totally out of their mental stack
crisp fog
So all that movement tech is just based on crouching letting you dismount while keeping momentum
vast sandal
It takes one (1) really juicy Dynamo ultimate to completely devastate the game
cosmic cypress
Sounds fun if you're good at Dynamo
in any case it's basically there to show that you can 'abuse' leaving the zipline to move and do Some Abilities
it doesn't have to be dynamo
crisp fog
Still not a fan of only having that one video
rich grove
it's not ~strictly~ momentum, it's more like air-friction- if you don't drop off the zipline that way, you'll go from moving at zipline speed to pretty much 0. unless doing that would cause you to literally fly into the enemy team it is always correct to crouch off it
crisp fog
but yeah I have used some of this tech on accident due to ultrakill experience
rich grove
you can also do stuff like chain it into airdash to move even faster
i genuinely don't remember the last time I dismounted the zipline 'normally'
crisp fog
deadlock continues to be daunting like many multiplayer games for me
rich grove
it's just kind of a bizarre unspoken rule
crisp fog
a habit more so
vivid nimbus
You can combo it with seven and lash ult for funny results
I have seen multiple vids of Lash doing it into “oh shit that was too much momentum”
vast sandal
it's not ~strictly~ momentum, it's more like air-friction- if you don't drop off...
Unless you want to sail into the enemy team for some nefarious, evil, devious reason
rich grove
yeah the lash ult is the premiere example of it
crisp fog
the reason is you're dynamo
or lash maybe Idk I run away when I meet the guy
didn't expect to be running from viscuous either but they're pretty
slippery
vast sandal
Or Billy, Apollo, Tankbop, Abrams, Doorman if the enemy team is in door range, Ult Silver, etc.
Gun Graves if ur fed
crisp fog
idk how working for the government helps gun graves /j
vast sandal
If you’re really gaming as Warden you don’t even stop at the enemy team, you hurl yourself behind them while channeling ult off the zip line
Out of nowhere, is fucking FACE ME AND DIE
late hare
been having more success with McGinnis lately yippee
slept on her ult a little bit, that thing fucking hurts even if it's a little tricky to aim right sometimes
gritty geode
Mcginnis ult is pretty spooky
And scales insanely with any CC your team can provide
autumn field
one damn fine game
lavish grove
Chat
Question
Does transcendental cooldown lower the cooldown of non active items?
Stuff like torment pulse’s pulses
Or headhunter’s bonus damage headshots
final osprey
yes
It's part of why it's so great on Mo, as they generally want to buy lots of actives and stuff like Torment
merry verge
It's how it manages to tempt me on nearly every character
finite grotto
Does transcendental cooldown lower the cooldown of non active items?
Even lowers the cooldown of your zipline speed boost!
lavish grove
Crazy
eternal dune
...huh
worldly dirge
it does ???
lavish shale
Yes, all cooldowns
final osprey
listening and learning
final osprey
Even lowers the cooldown of your zipline speed boost!
I cant see anything about that happening in the Zipline or Transcendent Cooldown wiki pages.
And the item description for Transcendent specifies, abilities and Items. So if it does do that, I don't think it's supposed to do that
final osprey
Thanks
Although thing that might matter which I just learnt,
It doesnt effect items that 'charge up' like Tank Buster or Mercurial Magnum.
plucky tusk
listening and learning
part of whats odd about this is that park ave is real and greenwich is real but park avenue is not in greenwich
agile void
Crazy
to put into context
before
superior cooldown affected Everything
after a bit they decided to make the item cooldown a different stat, and only trascendental gets said stat
its the only "item" specific modifier so far, they hadnt done a similar thing to range or duration, but I guess that makes sense
uptime increases WAY MORE if you lower CD rather than raising the duration of the effect
with this, trascendental cd is kind of more of a luxury buy unless you are the kind of char with 4 actives running around
or you are a spirit bruiser like Mo, yamato kinda, and abrams
agile void
undone galleon
tryna figure whos mfdoom
native pond
Pretty sure it's Silver
gritty geode
I saw a video of doorman in a bunny costume where he slutdrops for the ult and it disintegrated me instantly
It'll be a sad day when they remove mod support
vast sandal
it is indeed silver
undone galleon
lmao
agile void
tryna figure whos mfdoom
also for some reason kelvin doesnt have a portrait
but he is a space wolf
autumn field
gritty geode
Holy fuck my sides
cosmic cypress
deh drifta
twilit roost
autumn field
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/AvEpAEzCuu
This post introduced me to the greatest sub of all time
lavish grove
r/deadlockthegame?
autumn field
r/deadlockthegame?
r/deadlocksapphic
spring tundra
The deadlock main sub sucks lol
Its really funny tho
Like 90% of it is people complaining that any character they dont play is OP
mossy lance
in a game under active dev at that
like sorry but you DID sign up to be the guinea pig here. you're gonna see some fuck shit.
autumn field
idk why but the second we hit midgame or the point in where you can start farming creeps real fast i spike super hard and become untouchable in dl
i went from 0/5 kinda shit to just deleting everyone on refresherdox
really funny build here
enemy team needed to comm
since our team did the barest amount of actual communication (take mid, hold base cuz 4/6 dead, etc) we managed to take on really strong 2v2s where we had the adv.
also bombadox is crazy fucking strong cuz i dont even need to try, its just "press every button in their general direction, press echo shard, do it again"
then again, a super hard cc nuke build counters infernus, silver, yama, etc
lavish grove
New diviners Kevlar icon
somber creek
Why swap hands
ivory reef
Left hand cooler
gritty geode
Like with jorkin it you gotta swap hands with your spirit
lavish grove
I mean, kinda
The effect of arcane surge is on your character’s left hand
Instead of their right like with kinetic dash
vast sandal
I mean if I’m gonna stop joking around, most characters in the game, I think basically all of the ones with humanlike body plans except specifically Geist, wield a weapon in their right hand and cast with their left
Oh, also excepting Wraith, who casts and fights with neither hand as she exclusively relies on psychic powers
lavish grove
I mean her prosthetics follow that formula
vivid nimbus
She still holds her gun in her right mannequin hand
lavish grove
Her right hand holds her gun and her left throws cards
vivid nimbus
Yeah
vast sandal
Yeah so even then it’s everyone except Geist
lavish grove
The only exception I can think of besides Geist is Mo and Krill
Since krill doesn’t have a gun
vast sandal
Who shoots left handed on account of her right arm being replaced with a goddamn demon
lavish grove
And splits the work
vivid nimbus
Here's a hint, "mole" starts with "mo"
vast sandal
Oh and Haze, who dual-wields and seems to rely on innate abilities alone
lavish grove
Yah I know which one is which, I just say the wrong names since Mo is first of the two but isn’t the one who talks
lavish grove
Oh and Haze, who dual-wields and seems to rely on innate abilities alone
Her item holding pose is still with her left however
vast sandal
Huh, neat
vivid nimbus
She also throws the sleep dagger with her left
vast sandal
I’m fairly sure that Haze’s aim is a supernatural ability conferred by being a Sandman btw
vivid nimbus
Oh wait, MnK's sand blast is casted right-handed (from Mo's hand). There's an exception
vast sandal
Yeah except that she somehow has the ability to hit people with perfect accuracy while swinging the guns in all directions during Bullet Dance and states that “this is why Sandmen are feared” when she levels up her ult
Which implies to me that being able to perform Bullet Dance is an inherent trait of Sandmen
That and also Fixation exists and most of the abilities that characters have seem to have some presence in-universe
hallow zenith
Isn't Mina also left handed?
lavish grove
Oh yah
hallow zenith
And her umbrella is with her right hand
lavish grove
She is or else her umbrella would cover up the middle of the screen
vast sandal
Oh, yeah, Mina’s a leftie
She’s also a vampire which is considered to be a pretty sinister occupation by most people
hallow zenith
Drifter two-hands his abilities/weapon
hallow zenith
Mina also left-hands her abilities
vast sandal
to be fair, Mina also notably uses her gun to cast magic spells (Love Bites) and her only right handed attack is Rake
so the left=magic association might still hold
those Baxter Society weirdos also notably replace specifically their right arms and not their left
Pocket wields their suitcase in their left hand, the Doorman's beam of light while using Hotel Guest emanates from his left, Abrams has a Cool And Fun Book in his left, Mirage carries Nashala in his left hand and Maggie McG is one of the only characters in the game with no free left hand that isn't clutching a magical object, but she "casts" by letting go of her minigun to grab various gizmos and gadgets anyways
oh, and Venator eschews magic and dual-wields guns
frail jasper
Viscous punches and casts splatter with his left hand
lavish grove
oh, and Venator eschews magic and dual-wields guns
However the gun that’s an ability is in his left hand
Compared to the gun that’s his actual gun in his right
lavish shale
New diviners Kevlar icon
Huh, think I also like old Kevlar more
The new one is too smooth
lavish grove
Yah same
vast sandal
the smooth sheen gives it an air of being unbreakable/impermeable which is nice, but I liked the weaved/netted look as a shoutout to how kevlar actually be
mossy lance
right yeah
lavish shale
The old one also was more in the poster style
lavish grove
I think I also just prefer icons with like, a matte flat colors
Rather then normal rendering
lavish shale
I liked the flat colors and textures of the old one more
lavish grove
I think it fits deadlock better
hallow zenith
I like the old emblem more, but the new hands
rich grove
Which implies to me that being able to perform Bullet Dance is an inherent trait...
clearly it's a domain expansion
bleak thicket
good game!
ivory reef
got a clip lmaooo
toxic gulch
YEAH LMAO
ivory reef
@sweet cobalt thread here
hallow zenith
Oh wow I might actually be good at this game
hallow zenith
Good game!
ivory reef
cosu = our grey talon, tomzero was our vindicta, jenny was graves, @mystic breach was the silver
granite heath
- I suck at Vindicta
- I did hit a triple collateral
toxic gulch
i think it was allie who said to me "hey wait is that winged" and i tabbed and like
holy shit
hallow zenith
I was the Drifter
toxic gulch
1) I suck at Vindicta
2) I _did_ hit a triple collateral
you were an oppressive vindicta
i was abrams
sweet cobalt
I suck at this game but I'm having fun in this stack
I'm just happy to be here!
granite heath
i was abrams
that's good to hear, I didn't feel like it
toxic gulch
i didnt know for half the game
hallow zenith
Yeah
toxic gulch
we were all so distracted when we realized
"we have to lock in we cannot lose here"
bleak thicket
thank god it wasnt like the other time we matched against someone from pnet
toxic gulch
oh no
bleak thicket
and had to ban them for being friends with a nazi
hallow zenith
Oh no
late hare
oh yikers
toxic gulch
jeeeez
bleak thicket
dota sure is a game :)
toxic gulch
worth
bleak thicket
/j
toxic gulch
hehe
earnest verge
thank god it wasnt like the other time we matched against someone from pnet
that sure was a time yup
bleak thicket
oh, how did i do on graves from yall's perspective
toxic gulch
seemed pretty good?
i was trying to prevent you from doing your job as best as i could
bleak thicket
ive been wanting to get back to playing her more
hallow zenith
Um
I can't really say
toxic gulch
but i was treating you like a real opponent
you didnt seem easy to deal with at least
late hare
good! it was a constant pressure and I can't actually fight you for long
hallow zenith
You did as well as most Graves do when I catch them alone
bleak thicket
ok yeah ophelias drifter did just delete me every time
but also i uh, didnt really itemize against you 
hallow zenith
Graves just kinda loses that matchup, in my experience
toxic gulch
how was my abrams?
bleak thicket
good 
hallow zenith
Did I do good as Drifter?
toxic gulch
you got mvp you tell me
granite heath
how was my abrams?
Unfortunately the only thing I can comment on was:
"I haven't been able to shoot very well on Vindicta, I sure am glad I'm laning against approximately 2 barns worth of heroes to shoot at."
late hare
I'd take pointers on my Bebop, I know there were a couple instances where bombs would get eaten by Pocket case
bleak thicket
lol yeah that was a blessing for tommy
laning agaisnt abrams and mnk who are both mchuge
late hare
a normal person would probably buy silence
toxic gulch
HAH
hallow zenith
I feel I did good, Drifter's my best hero so I'm glad I got him
toxic gulch
i recall doing some DIRTY shit to secure kills
sweet cobalt
i recall doing some DIRTY shit to secure kills
y'all sucked me into the own zone a few times
toxic gulch
hahhah
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPIo8iIWX3U <@&1277035919182008330> @little tendon @toxic gulch @sweet cobalt @bleak thicket @granite heath @mystic breach @primal sphinx @hallow zenith
hallow zenith
My favourite moment from that game is when I said "I'm da dwiftuh" and then accidentally pressed 4 in the middle of our base
little tendon
gg
agile rune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPIo8iIWX3U <@&1277035919182008330> <@2687964526...
Wow to be recognised
cosmic cypress
had a no good awful terrible deadlock night
autumn field
im currently installing a mod for every hero
my deadlock is gonna be so fucked when i have a lobby thats 50% uma
autumn field
if i can figure it out id like to make a hashire umamusume mod for infernus dash
lavish grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPIo8iIWX3U <@&1277035919182008330> <@2687964526...
I still think the scariest thing that’s ever happened to me in this game was when I randomly ran into Joel on the enemy team, but he didn’t introduce himself to me. Instead he just ominously said
“MagmaNaught, check your discord”
I thought I was gonna see a picture of my house
earnest verge
lmao
lavish grove
From @ Grezzirossi
agile void
I wonder how they are going to take their relationship
mostly because pocket should be rightfully wary of anyone related to their dad, I dont know how much I can trust anyone in his circle
plucky tusk
They're torturing me in solo queue again today
Initiate gaming is a special place on earth
- buys rebuttal
- does not parry
lavish grove
Yah
warm sonnet
It's called panic, it's my secret technique
plucky tusk
Yah
Yesterday I met a billy who did nothing but raw heavy melee into my rebuttal and then be surprised when he died
And he didn't even buy life strike
lavish grove
Yah that’s me actually
I did once heavy melee 4 times in a row
And got parried 4 times in a row
I didn’t even move between heavy melees
I just pressed Q again
Thinking they’d never expect the next one
plucky tusk
I want to escape from this hell
plucky tusk
I mostly play around arcanist 5 with friends but I never solo queue so my rank is initiate 6 because my wr and output is scaled horrifically weirdly
vivid nimbus
Thinking they’d never expect the next one
The thing is, they don’t need to expect it, they just need to react
plucky tusk
the result is that I'm a nuclear carry mirage being deployed to initiate gaming lobbies where I consistently lose my mind at my team
it's driving me insane and yet I can't figure out a way to escape other than to do this
I need to fix my friends queue times. I need to do this
vivid nimbus
it's driving me insane and yet I can't figure out a way to escape other than to ...
If Mirage isn’t working you may need someone who can 1v6 better in those lobbies
plucky tusk
initiate gaming is a special place with sinners doorman and box run McGinnis.
plucky tusk
If Mirage isn’t working you may need someone who can 1v6 better in those lobbies
I still 1v6 these lobbies
it's just that I'm still trapped
That's whats fucked
I get MVP in about 75% of the intiate games I play and I'm still trapped
let me free John d. Lock
plucky tusk
75% of *games*, not just wins?
of games.
Ive lost twice in my initiate Mirage gaming
i think its because i have a massive Driftuh backlog
so it might be undervaluing mirage
This is why I say it's hellish. It's a tantalus level punishment
vast sandal
I checked your stat locker may
You need to play more Mirage before your rank calibrates
errant sphinx
I have overwhelmingly seen people trapped in too high a rank rather than too low that's kinda funny
gritty geode
Can relate [I got stuffed into emissary within 20 games]
finite grotto
Oh my rank got readjusted two ranks up 
finite patrol
im very excited to come back to the game when the new major patch drops and be adjusted into ascendant while playing like an alchemist
worldly dirge
Ranks are quite volatile at the moment, also new player get a huge boost
Holliday is scary
jovial yacht
Holliday players before have been playing holliday back when she was relatively weak, now their full powers are unleash like the training weights have been taken off
somber creek
Ranks arent real
finite patrol
🙂↕️
lavish shale
Can relate [I got stuffed into emissary within 20 games]
I'm also in mid Emissary and have no idea why
finite grotto
I tried out mina recently and uh I def need to train with her
Muscle memory kicked in and I played her like Yamato which did not end well for me
gritty geode
I'm also in mid Emissary and have no idea why
Now, when I do play with my seeker friends I am a horrific force of nature but I am also decidedly not good
And I can get rocked solo playing pretty easy
agile void
Now, when I do play with my seeker friends I am a horrific force of nature but I...
Play heroes you dont play to even out
gritty geode
Yeah I've been trying some folks out
Vindicta is very fun as a Mo and Billy main but I have no idea how to convert her strengths to late game team fights
vivid nimbus
AIUI a lot of it is you shoot people until their health goes away
But tether is also good CC, your allies benefit from your shred, and she's good at using targeted active items
gritty geode
Fair enough
The siren call of eating no vegetables (ignoring all defensive items not named counterspell) in order to stack bodies probably hurt me
autumn field
I dont know why or how this works but sometimes I'll be shredding on heros I normally suck as, and be ass at character im normally good at
Like today I was doing actually decent on Haze but absolute dogwater on Yama
gritty geode
I think sometimes the enemy is good at countering you and throws your vibes off for a game or several
late hare
wondering about a more support focused Vindicta
I like her, but my ability to track someone consistently with M1 fire is pretty suspect
magic summit
They've nerfed that more and more but rescue beam is a very funny item on vin support
Especially if you learn to cancel the rescue beam pull at the height of the momentum
So you fly up, rescue beam, then cancel the pull to slingshot someone
rich grove
there's also the classic vortex web + alchemical fire grillmaster vindicta
jovial jay
or knockdown as vindicta. while not conventional an anvil to the head lines up east headshots and your cc once it goes off
autumn field
Im tempted to build slowing hex cold front knockdown doorman
The doorman whose entire gameplan is "WELCOME TO THE BARONESS"
frail jasper
It'll work. Slowing hex into baroness is a true combo, adding more into it is only sensible. Rush ult max and start ruining fights
merry verge
Make sure to single a particular enemy out enough that it makes them completely unhinged
unkempt kernel
gritty geode
I love that Holliday is just an incorrigable ass
I think I've mentioned it before but it's refreshing that deadlock has characters who are not necessarily antagonistic but are dickheads
The interactions feel fresh
autumn field
Make sure to single a particular enemy out enough that it makes them completely ...
I'm going to torture the fat chud
hit em with the "NUH UH UH, REM, YOU CANNOT STEAL FARM TONIGHT"
merry verge
Doorman's a hoot into Rem, wrenching him off'a folks with the ult is so funny
ohnoyadon't
and you can contend Sinners
autumn field
probably wanna prep a ton of lines that are like
"Welcome to the baroness, Rem, please, do not enjoy your stay, chud"
"Sadly, you are underage, therefore, we will NOT be serving our world-class mimosas tonight"
just make it even worse when i have 50 lines for the 50 ults i hit him with and the trans-cooldowned-duration-extend'd-rapid-recharge'd bells with the slowing spirit
im convinced doorman is a character who can never be allowed to be meta because his troll potential is just too damn high
the classic door into walker, vortex into base, 10 second baroness when you knockdown slowing hex someone
vast sandal
doorman is already the most banned character in the game
autumn field
lol
merry verge
Th'fools
merry verge
I'm currently trying to ward off Geist to no avail
vast sandal
my ban is on Kelvin
merry verge
I'm okay with Kelvin for the chance he'll be on my team
vast sandal
yeah I don't want Kelvin on my team either
merry verge
free health free peoplecatchin
vast sandal
see the problem is
vast sandal
enemy Kelvin is always doing some shit
merry verge
bad kelvin is one ult every so often
vast sandal
allied Kelvin is trapping me in the thunderdome with Drifter
autumn field
every kelvin ive met is unkillable and nothing else
random urchin
Kelvin is my permanban
merry verge
I just can't with that Green Woman, every stage of the game with her kit is groane
merry verge
pick a lane lady
autumn field
geist is at least, very healbane'able
merry verge
stop being the tank the gun and the spirit nuker
vast sandal
honestly healbaning Geist won't save you against hybrid geist
she also just does an obscene amount of damage
autumn field
true
vast sandal
the actual cost is that her build path is really rickety and compy
you don't get to adapt a lot and if you're countered you get to be miserable and still build the needful
autumn field
holi falls off so fucking hard at some point
like, ive played against hellidays who have perfect barrel tech
and will snipe you with the stupid barrel
but at some point they just stop dealing damage and become target practice
also for some reason i only perform well in mid-late
probably cuz i can usually get full hybrid output at that point and start shredding with 200 DPS gun + infinite spirit damage (paradox)
vast sandal
barrel holliday falls off because spirit falls off
you can play sniper holliday too but it's harder
merry verge
If only she could get some sort of stacking damage amp
while still having a potent revolver
autumn field
evil and intimidating esc exposure:
merry verge
( /jokes holiday can also fly and hard stun etc etc )
oh i was making further Geist reference
autumn field
lol
merry verge
i think it's silly her lategame pistol outpistols the pistol girl
autumn field
i usually play gundox early and pivot into 24/7 FARM
just clear out the entire map's farm
vast sandal
holliday is built weird is what I've decided
autumn field
building shit like trophy collector + cult sac
and then appearing in a teamfight, chucking a bomb, free assist
i refuse to engage until im at 41k cuz i got the 4/0/1(6)k
finite grotto
Build trophy collector and my Yamato soul will be happy 😌
autumn field
lol
ngl im not sure if trophy is right but im building cult sac so i kinda can just do both esp if i get more spirit anti-resil
which is core to bombadox anyways
i also like refresher but refresher is a meme pick i genuinely like
finite grotto
When I play Yamato I perma fight so trophy nice and good
merry verge
I still feel weird about where Spirit Res sits
finite grotto
And you have one of the best chase and kill secure tools in the game
vast sandal
trophy collector is real on paradox
the current iteration of paradox is a roaming menace
she just comes flying out of the jungle no time to explain murder on her mind
vestal trench
I love the bs that can happen when you cut Yama tether early
Tbh im enjoying trophy on pretty much everyone rn
vast sandal
the only warning you get is that someone just stole your goddamn sinner's
vast sandal
Tbh im enjoying trophy on pretty much everyone rn
trophy is looking maybe too good on all supports rn
everyone who wants kill participation wants trophy rn
merry verge
Trophy Collector should tell your opponents you got a stack off 'em
autumn field
Im tempted to build egg
merry verge
everyone who wants kill participation wants trophy rn
tbh i was doing this on Doorman the whole time /cough
finite grotto
Trophy is perma on all my characters
merry verge
GIMME RANGE
autumn field
Trophy Collector should tell your opponents you got a stack off 'em
It SHOULD that'd be the kinda thing Lash would totally do
vestal trench
I think the no downside part of it compared to glass cannon and the other one idk ifnthere is one like if you mess up theres no failstate
You can be the 0/22 warrior and as long as that last number is also 22 you still are throwing dragons the size of 747s
autumn field
Tbf with glass cannon youre 80% there for the damage boost
worldly dirge
autumn field
-15% NPC damage sorta hurts but not really
vast sandal
Because as it stands assists are pretty low value and don’t contribute a lot
autumn field
Im paradox i skip that mechanic
vestal trench
Does it trigger on kill or assist cuz hmm would making it only assists keep carries from also building it
That would be a little silly I imagine too
vast sandal
Trophy Collector is kill or assist
It adds far more value to assist merchants who don’t farm and are usually with their team supporting
Eg Doorman, Holliday, Paradox, Dynamo
finite grotto
Or to hyper aggressive maniacs
vestal trench
Uhuh I dont feel the pressure to take farm or live like an ascetic monk to feed my carries
finite grotto
Yamato 2 at 40 meters onto your ass
vestal trench
I loved running it on paige ( before ) the recent changes she loves it soo much
vestal trench
Yamato 2 at 40 meters onto your ass
I hadn't even thought about that
autumn field
Yamato is horrific and I love her for that
finite grotto
It's like a nice upgrade that makes yourr chase even better but the move speed and extra souls are the main thing
vast sandal
Item’s in a weird spot rn where it’s both The Money Fix for supports who would normally be broke as hell by late game
And also a snowball item for hyper aggressive maniacs
vestal trench
Trophy collector feels like a slow release pill golden egg
But I dont throw in lane for it
finite grotto
I do think it's Problem is that it's a tier 2 green
vestal trench
I thought tier three felt good, you kind of had to maneuver weird to get it early to make the most
vast sandal
The opportunity cost of taking Trophy Collector kinda dried up
vestal trench
And I thought the extra hp was great
finite grotto
It's way to smooth of a build path on aggressive heroes or supports to just go trophy T2 green into counter spell or dispel
vast sandal
Like
Compared to Cult Sac or Egg
There’s no actual cost-benefit analysis to do
You just take the damn item
merry verge
There must always be The One Item
final osprey
Trophy Collector being so cheap has a knock on effect of further empowering snowball a lot.
vestal trench
Exactlyyy though I wouldn't want to be in the balance room trying to figure out what would feel right for a downside
vast sandal
So
I used to build Trophy Collector on Bebop right
And back then it made perfect sense why it was a boots upgrade
finite grotto
There def have been games where our lanes get an early kill and I go trophy first item
vast sandal
Bebop is slow as hell, Trophy Collector lets him run around like a jackrabbit when it’s spooled up
And you’re Bebop, you are actively failing at your job if you aren’t looking for a fight and taking it
vestal trench
Its so good for urn tooooo
Or does urn turn off speed increases i dont think so. I could be tricking myself
vast sandal
Or does urn turn off speed increases i dont think so. I could be tricking myself
There’s a max it limits you to
Idk either make the stat increases from Trophy Collector more geared towards supports specifically, give it a damage penalty, or make it more expensive again
Right now it’s a little bit too compulsory
lavish shale
Or does urn turn off speed increases i dont think so. I could be tricking myself
it disables sprint speed, but gives you a flat move speed buff
you also get 100% slow resist apparently
vestal trench
My 2 cents would be like. The buffs dont work for an amount of time after you die/respawn , but getting another assist automatically ends that. Idk
Interesting downsides like that
lavish shale
it disables sprint speed, but gives you a flat move speed buff
They get a Move Speed bonus of +3.5 m/s (capped at 15 m/s max), get their Sprint Speed disabled and have 100% Slow Resistance and 30% Bullet and Spirit Resist.
vestal trench
Oh shit I didnt know about the extra bennies
lavish shale
so Trophy Collector does not help run urn, but base move speed items like Enduring Speed do
huh, didn't know Yamato had the highest base move speed
though a few characters have higher sprint speed than her
fastest while sprinting is Rem interestingly
by a pretty significant margin
lavish shale
huh, didn't know Yamato had the highest base move speed
okay she's actually tied with Haze and Holliday
gray otter
lash 100%
vivid nimbus
Mina
gray otter
lash is like
he has an extremely well defined role (that of an extremely mobile initiator) and each of his buttons does a different thing to enable that
gray otter
my issue with billy is that his kit can be misleading
tho that might just be a result of my experiences regularly playing with maybe the worst billy player of all time
somber creek
For me it's Paige
worldly dirge
Billy is the most balanced
gray otter
wdym by balanced in this context
worldly dirge
He would be the most ready to ship out of every character
autumn field
my issue with billy is that his kit can be misleading
wdym misleading
worldly dirge
wdym by balanced in this context
As in gameplay
autumn field
his kit is kinda simple imo, it's "build every color" and "light melee"
autumn field
(also not talking about like, too much dps, etc)
gray otter
"most fair"? "in the healthiest spot"?
autumn field
(just kit design, by itself)
worldly dirge
his kit is kinda simple imo, it's "build every color" and "light melee"
You can build pure spirit, his 2 does max hp damage on max
gray otter
wdym misleading
like... ive seen several people try to pick up billy, see the melee related stuff on his 3, and spend the entire laning phase getting parried and dying bc theyre trying to heavy melee
when he's The Light Melee Guy
worldly dirge
The melee should be used sparingly
He gets labeled as the melee guy but he has one of the best guns in the game
You can go the whole game withou melee and be great
autumn field
You can build pure spirit, his 2 does max hp damage on max
yeah but his gun is great and his HP scaling is great
your best build is probably "every color"
worldly dirge
Just using your 1 and 2
autumn field
spirit + lifestrike, maybe rapid recharge, you can get crushing if you want, thats all 3 colors lmao
gray otter
He gets labeled as the melee guy but he has one of the best guns in the game
his gun is complete ass unless you're in melee range basically
its so inaccurate
autumn field
his gun is complete ass unless you're in melee range basically
use it like a shotgun
worldly dirge
50 meters ?
autumn field
use it at "billy range"
worldly dirge
He is absolutely close range
gray otter
He is absolutely close range
i know
but i expect to be able to at least TRY to exist during laning phase
worldly dirge
I 1v2 in lane as billy sometimes
Idk how you are playing him but billy with his 3 up is very scary
gray otter
i dont play billy
worldly dirge
Then how are you forming your opinion ?
gray otter
i tried him and hated his gameplay, and then experienced The Worst Billy To Ever Do It running it down 20 games in a row
autumn field
i used to main billy
gray otter
ig i dont rlly know what good billy gameplay looks like tbh
worldly dirge
Billy is one of my mains
autumn field
he shines best once you get past guardian phase ime
but he's still fine there
plus if you suck you have the standard issue combo of 2131
which deals buttloads of damage
gray otter
they were i think hitting 3 and spamming heavy melee
and getting parried and dying about it
autumn field
your actual proper combo is closer to gun -> 1 -> blasted -> 2 -> 1 (reload) -> repeat, toss in light melees around depending on your CDs
worldly dirge
Dont melee after abilities as the sometimes panick parry
worldly dirge
the only reason a billy should melee is to either A add time to blasted B add ammot to gun and C the enemy parried
autumn field
if you see a bad parry you get to punish it harder
stable forum
your actual proper combo is closer to gun -> 1 -> blasted -> 2 -> 1 (reload) -> ...
ideally you want to get in without using rising ram (2)
so you can use rising ram when they try to disengage
autumn field
mmm
worldly dirge
but you get 50% off if it hits
autumn field
im assuming your goal is just to "combo them to death" for this
worldly dirge
by the time you finish the combo it should almost be back
stable forum
but most of the time you're going to be engaging using rising ram
stable forum
by the time you finish the combo it should almost be back
this is just not true
unless they made rising ram have a shorter cooldown recently?
worldly dirge
you combo last as long as blasted and charges of 1
stable forum
Billy's combo is like 5s
worldly dirge
maybe it is
stable forum
bashdown, blasted, bashdown generally
magic summit
It is amazing how everyone here feels like they have seen a completely different character
stable forum
it's fairly long and a lot of movement lockout but uhh
it does not last 15 seconds
some of this is I'm in high skill bracket or whatever
which means people are better at movement
which means engagements have to be shorter (generally) because someone will just disengage inevitably
experiences are different at different levels of play
magic summit
Yeah and Billy is faster and has three ways of making people stay with him
worldly dirge
blasted last for 8 seconds
stable forum
blasted refreshes whenever you hit a melee attack
it lasts as long as you are engaged
generally
I only consider something to be a combo if it has movement lockout attached to it or similar stuff preventing disengage
magic summit
You dont truly play Billy until you have been in a fight long enough to realize that Blasted has an upper limit of time where it stops refreshing
magic summit
Its really funny when it happens
stable forum
it's weird and variable and stupid too.
vast sandal
doesn't it just prorate into oblivion
worldly dirge
there are demishing returns yeah
stable forum
like it's not a consistent amount of time! Idk
stable forum
doesn't it just prorate into oblivion
yeah this sounds about right.
stable forum
I only consider something to be a combo if it has movement lockout attached to i...
anyway, this means Billy's combo lasts for as long as he can continually cast Bashdown, which is 2 times I believe?
it's CD is too long on charges for multiple consecutive casts without Blasted reset
Rising Ram also has movement lockout
oh is the thing where if you hold w during Rising Ram's impact on target you go significantly less up still around?
looks like they fixed that
finite grotto
Who do you think has the most perfectly designed kit in the game
Super bias obviously but for me it's gotta be yam
It's a simple but extremely effective and well flowing packet of abilities
The only thing I would change is for there to be less jank when casting 2
Esp during it's startup where it sometimes whirls you around in the weirdest patterns,circles etc
vivid nimbus
it's CD is too long on charges for multiple consecutive casts without Blasted re...
With T3 and rapid recharge it's got a 3.5s charge CD, that's decent
errant sphinx
Esp during it's startup where it sometimes whirls you around in the weirdest pat...
I love this part of the ability tbh
It's funny
vivid nimbus
Short enough you can plausibly bashdown before chain gang and get another bashdown after the yank
stable forum
oh, yeah, Chain Gang can extend things substantially
gritty geode
I fully believe the hype that chain gang is top 3 ults
stable forum
I appreciate how Chain Gang 3 has Unstoppable on it specifically to allow Billy to hold Q for a bit
stable forum
I fully believe the hype that chain gang is top 3 ults
I'd say almooost? It breaks often :(
and you can't do drivebys with it
finite grotto
I love this part of the ability tbh
It is funny sometimes ye but I would much rather not have a % chance to mega disorient myself when chasing a kill xd
gritty geode
The challenge is knowing where to activate it so they can't flee into cover but thats about it
stable forum
which is sad. No Majestic Leap Chain Gang shenaniganry
gritty geode
Also yeah it gets weird if you're not just fighting normally
stable forum
it's got a max distance (unlisted, of course) which causes it to break
gritty geode
Unless you get shoved or are doing something silly the movement disable it procs usually doesn't run into that in my experience
vast sandal
Who do you think has the most perfectly designed kit in the game
The Doorman
stable forum
yeah, you only really run into it with majestic leap style stuff
vast sandal
I wouldn't change a thing, Doorman is a perfect being
autumn field
The Doorman
doorman is such a funny shithead
imo his kit is perfect (fun factor)ly horrible (enemy fun factor)
paradox might have one of the best kits overall
worldly dirge
just had one hell of a game
infernos got giga fed
and we managed to recover from a 50k soul difference
vast sandal
clawing a game back is super fun
worldly dirge
i think they got complacent
they kept getting lash ulted into dynamo ult, happend 3 times
this was the deciding team fight that let us win
there was a gun rem
autumn field
i once got a brawl game where i had a 30 second CD on my ult cuz of enhanced trans CD + mystic conduit
and my ult plays dracula (tame impala) + vampire (deco 27) both at once
worldly dirge
Oh, tame impala, found the out pretty recently, love their music
agile void
So I just checked the deadlock mods
I saw cecil
and I didnt knew who he was
so I saw it was mirage
and for one second I just started laughing
vivid nimbus
Oh that checks out
agile void
Oh that checks out
merry verge
The man has a stressful job, let him teleport
agile void
The man has a stressful job, let him teleport
he is burning 10B per tp
merry verge
Who needs it
gray otter
his time is valuable
somber creek
I think Lash's 2 should reload his gun
autumn field
So I just checked the deadlock mods
finite grotto
I think Lash's 2 should reload his gun
No need to buff gun lash atm xd
finite patrol
grapple should reload his gun, make his bullets track, and give twice as much base bullet damage
autumn field
my games are incredible
crisp fog
Crazy comeback me and my friend did
The strategy was "utilize the game mechanics"
We did midboss twice and soul urned a couple of times
wide nebula
Crazy comeback me and my friend did
As Victor, this game was hell
crisp fog
It was fiiiiinnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
upbeat perch
my games are incredible
ah yes, my favorite game, 'umas or vtubers'
autumn field
ah yes, my favorite game, 'umas or vtubers'
one of my favs is venafur
sparxie graves is so fucking high quality its absurd
big fan of when they replace base voicelines with pitch alters and such to better fit with replacement lines
huge fan of mina, just need better aim to love bites harder
autumn field
most of them only @plucky tusk would recognize lol
late hare
nah what I mean is I can't tell who Super Creek is replacing, etc. etc.
still swan
Has anyone made a Doorman Jerma mod yet
autumn field
oh icic
so mambo is rem
creek is victor
and then rice shower is vin
cafe is pocket
i deadass only know their names cuz of the mods
plucky tusk
so mambo is rem
Her name is matikanetannhauser
magic summit
So
I decided to actually go and test things with Billy
Because there were some statements thrown out there that had me questioning my own experience and wondering what the actual mechanic was
And my deduction is that Blasted just seems to be bugged
I had thought that just having a fight go long enough it stopped refreshing
What actually happens is that Blasted can be permanent, but if you overflow too much and keep hitting melee's when you are already at max, it seems to bug out and stop refreshing
vivid nimbus
Oh I thought Blasted had a finite number of times it can refresh in a cast
agile void
What actually happens is that Blasted *can* be permanent, but if you overflow to...
at that point it kind of sounds like a enemy skill issue
magic summit
I did test and there are no diminishing returns whatsoever on the health gain part, whether the amount or duration
agile void
that they dont bother to parry you
finite patrol
parrying a good Billy is pretty difficult
agile void
what is the amount in your experience
magic summit
But the Blasted duration in general can be bugged if you just keep hitting your melees as max. This is a consistent variable I tested, where only hitting it halfway through I was going on 5 minutes of blasted with no sign of it stopping
But if I just spammed melee as fast as I could it ended about 30 seconds in
magic summit
So, interesting maths. Definitely makes me reconsider Bashdown maxxing too hard if it will consistently make me overflow too fast.
agile void
It is still a weird spot because I will be surprised if a teamfight last for 30 seconds
that assumes you are tickling them
or they are like 70% melee resist
magic summit
Testing it with superior duration the overflow can happen near instantly. I've never been a fan of duration on Billy tbh but that exentuates it, considering how long Billy fights can be
autumn field
Her name is matikanetannhauser
yeah but i remember rem going "berunyuu mambo" so i call em mambo
(also i cant spell)
(i have like 5 rem mods)
somber creek
god billy is fun when you get a good game
gritty geode
Billy feels like one of the few characters that, when you're really cooking, can take a fairly small soul advantage and win a 3 v 1
That gun fucking shreds
somber creek
I was doing a street brawl where I had to 1v4 basically every round
because my team would just not leave tower
cosmic cypress
Me losing a deadlock game: i'm so bad, i should stop playing before i get salty
Me winning a deadlock game: this game is pretty good actually
somber creek
Moba
lavish shale
Real
vast sandal
just gotta hone in on like
improvement
skill development
"we lost but I did xyz"
vast sandal
"we lost but I parried really well", "we lost but I stemmed the bleeding and made good calls", etc.
vast sandal
MOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAND KRIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLL
vast sandal
tbh I think it's funny how sometimes you lose every lane and then it's a total stomp
but sometimes you lose every lane and then it basically doesn't matter
cosmic cypress
Yeah honestly I was shocked that the kills were like
6 to 23 or something
and the lead was not y'know
vast sandal
and you just completely turn it around and win anyways because your opponents won lane and turned it into jackshit
hallow zenith
I had a horrible game today where we were just getting slowly picked apart and losing, until we pulled it back with a fuckimg ludicrous double Lash ult that single-handedly closed the gap and we won the game
It was not great and then it hit peak
vast sandal
yeah the funny thing about deadlock is that losing lane doesn't matter
cosmic cypress
deadlock has some nice feeling comeback stuff
vast sandal
winning lane matters but only if you know exactly how to forward your advantage
and it turns out
most people do not
hallow zenith
I had a horrible game today where we were just getting slowly picked apart and l...
That was such a hype moment
cosmic cypress
at my rank (seeker) most people just either stay farming or migrate to do bad ganks and let the people who lost lane farm
which is dumb
vast sandal
I mean, leaving a won lane to go win other lanes for your team is big
hallow zenith
He ulted them, then ulted them again into our walker and we killed 4 of them through rejuv
vast sandal
that's pushing your advantage
cosmic cypress
I mean, leaving a won lane to go win other lanes for your team is big
yes, but they don't do that
they just kinda hover and suck up xp
vast sandal
leaving your won lane to let your opponent farm up and catch up
that fucking sucks
get back there and farm your opps until the message is sent
somber creek
hallow zenith
No don't do that
cosmic cypress
I think the only thing from that mo and krill game I did well was a few useful ganks and then demanding my team fall back and do midboss to secure the bag
somber creek
They tried so hard to kill me
hallow zenith
I am bad at laning and need that free farming time to catch up ;y;
cosmic cypress
They tried so hard to kill me
god you had like 5k health there
stable forum
But the Blasted duration in general can be bugged if you just keep hitting your ...
gwehh???
This is dumb
thanks for testing that & informing
ivory reef
in league that game would have been OVER
That's definitely a recoverable situation in dota yeah
Welcome to Dota style game pacing kinda. Fwiw I think "we're stuck in a game we absolutely can't win" has been mostly a solved problem in mobas this decade? Maybe it's still bad in league of legends
But modern Dota and even heroes of the storm are both pretty good at ending when things are hopeless
Like they just roll into your base and that's that
finite grotto
and the lead was not y'know
champion kills give way more proportional gold in league then in deadlock and waves in league give less gold then waves in deadlock so kills esp early tend to matter less in my view in deadlock and are esp way less of a win indicator
agile void
But modern Dota and even heroes of the storm are both pretty good at ending when...
tbh dota is kinda a "solved game" and you can probably see the problem in a match because of 9 years of experience
and I put quotes in the solved game because I think beyond characters changing or who is OP/strong, the base is still the same overall
deadlock is a new game and is bringing people from the Hero shooter and shooter in general genre, and those might not be as open to notice these things
ivory reef
Jaacker. They literally added talent trees to everyone like two years ago
They put a portal between top lane and bottom lane last year so anyone can wrap around the map to ganj
agile void
wait what
agile void
they brought the walker TPs to dota?
ivory reef
It's clear you just haven't been paying attention to dota
They reinvent the game like every year
They literally added a 4th core hero attribute like 3 years ago
agile void
fair enough
I do think it is probably hero shooter/shooter crowd not being used to MOBAs
finite grotto
Welcome to Dota style game pacing kinda. Fwiw I think "we're stuck in a game we ...
its def only a problem in league if people behave certain ways. If you get rolled games end super fast in league unless the enemy really starts to throw or does nothing with their lead
ivory reef
median lantern
Welcome to Dota style game pacing kinda. Fwiw I think "we're stuck in a game we ...
The game itself is good about this but the culture of play around it is still very go next
coarse cedar
I have been watching many videos on deadlock
median lantern
Breaking the other team’s mental is basically how you win
ivory reef
I guess just play with 5 then
coarse cedar
Laning, soul grind, the urn
median lantern
its def only a problem in league if people behave certain ways. If you get rolle...
I’d add that I don’t think it’s a problem if the enemy throws or fails to press because then it’s a winnable game
finite grotto
True true
finite grotto
I guess just play with 5 then
If that would be so easily done 
A big gripe atm I still have with deadlocks matchmaking/mmr is that it doesnt seem to account for the overall level of the lobby at all, esp for players playing in harder games. I played with a friend whose rank was way lower then mine and we wanted to test out how it feels. We lost and my friend playing in a way harder lobby for him lost way more mmr due to performance then I did and that def sucks.
magic summit
tbh dota is kinda a "solved game" and you can probably see the problem in a matc...
Why make such definitive statements on a game you dont know about
stable forum
Welcome to Dota style game pacing kinda. Fwiw I think "we're stuck in a game we ...
in Deadlock comebacks don't happen much
magic summit
in Deadlock comebacks don't happen much
What games are you playing
pallid granite
categorically untrue lol
ivory reef
I think comebacks happen frequently actually
magic summit
There are like several come back mechanics
ivory reef
I like deadlock's general power structure over time
It's clearly got a lot of the lessons from balancing dota comeback systems
lavish grove
Comebacks in my experience really depend on those late game urns
If you can’t get them then you’re kinda fucked
But if you can then yah there’s a chance
magic summit
I so regularly see comebacks to the point I feel its almost a misplay to be winning hard enough early for us to get an uncontested comeback urn
finite grotto
comebacks from 30k+ down don't happen
Nah I would deffo disagree
magic summit
I guess if I start losing my mental and start running it down mid that would be true
stable forum
at higher levels of play i guess
finite grotto
I do think once one or two shrines are down it def becomes way harder due to less souls given by minions
lavish grove
In my experience a comeback becomes impossible once you hit like, a 40-50k soul difference
gritty geode
Being 20k down is a grim position but I have won those games
lavish grove
Since by then even a comeback urn becomes extremely unlikely to be achieved
magic summit
at higher levels of play i guess
You gotta stop coaching your opinions in "in higher levels of play" because I regularly disagree and im eternus 2
gritty geode
At 50k soul diff the enemy carry can like, 1v3
bleak thicket
Urn rules
stable forum
will elaborate more in a bit, but generally I think urn isn't great as a comeback mechanic
is mostly if you're down walkers i guess
you kinda really need a walker on tthe urn side
lavish grove
At 50k soul diff the enemy carry can like, 1v3
More depending on who among the team they’re fighting tbh
ivory reef
You gotta stop coaching your opinions in "in higher levels of play" because I re...
-# (couching not coaching)
magic summit
Wait really
lavish grove
1v3 is assuming like, they’re fighting the strongest members of the enemy team
earnest verge
safe urn is pretty good as long as you're not like, getting completely destroyed by mobile pick heroes
ivory reef
-# (yes, today you learned)
ivory reef
(yes)
lavish grove
safe urn is pretty good as long as you're not like, getting completely destroyed...
Yah that is part of the issue as well, urns become a lot less safe depending on the enemy team comp
finite patrol
shes coaching you on how to couch your lance in the lancer discord
lavish grove
Like, I’d be a lot more wary of running comeback urn if there’s a mirage on the enemy team
finite patrol
which is what this server is for I think
lavish grove
Since he can contest it from anywhere
ivory reef
gritty geode
I think a really neat part of deadlock is that a single hyperfed enemy is not the end of the game
lavish grove
And a fed mirage is goddamn scary
gritty geode
I recently helped pull one back where a drifter got 15k on everyone and he became public enemy no.1
And that peeled apart the enemy team
magic summit
As an aside i am excited when the game gets more objectives than like. Urn and bridge buffs
earnest verge
mm, those enemies that are vastly ahead are still subject to powerful CC, and if they buy anti-CC measures then their damage output isn't scaling as hard as it could be
ivory reef
Agreed the game needs more objectives and also a real roshpit
lavish grove
As an aside i am excited when the game gets more objectives than like. Urn and b...
Same
ivory reef
It's comically programmer art at this point
But more than anything I'd like a real draft mode
lavish grove
I’m waiting with baited breath for rat king
bleak thicket
They need to give mid boss a proper name too
ivory reef
God. Yes. Please
lavish grove
The time between urns and mid feel really empty rn
bleak thicket
Oh god draft would go so hard
gritty geode
Middy B
median lantern
But more than anything I'd like a real draft mode
It’s weird that there’s not a real draft mode yeah
lavish grove
Since you’re kinda just, farming lanes and hoping someone overextends
lavish grove
But more than anything I'd like a real draft mode
God please
earnest verge
and like yeah at lower rank games, a team that's behind is less likely to co-ordinate well to take out an enemy hypercarry, but also the enemy hypercarry is more likely to do something dumb and get themselves ganged up on
lavish grove
The priority system was fine when the cast was so small, but I’m so tired of not being able to guarantee what character I play
I want a draft mode so bad already
magic summit
The time between urns and mid feel really empty rn
There is an annoying feeling late game of "midboss down, urn done, walkers all gone, just twiddling our thumbs hoping for a pick"
lavish grove
Yah
Also please bring back pregame lane setups
Having to constantly pause to try and get the lane I want is also
So annoying
finite patrol
its bated breath btw
bated from abate
meaning you are waiting breathlessly
finite patrol
They need to give mid boss a proper name too
I have faith that the mid boss name and redesign will go as hard as hidden king or archmother
ivory reef
Y'all need lessons
earnest verge
you have been led astray (never to be written as lead astray)
(unless you've got a leash that's missing)
finite patrol
lead ashtray
earnest verge
(or a missing team lead)
median lantern
We need Strunk and White not Mo and Krill
stable forum
I like urn as a way to force beef
yeah it's good for thiis. I find urn is used to push leads more than as a comeback thing
I think it's a really neat concept though.
finite patrol
…I’ve submitted essays using baited breath before…
-1
stable forum
i say this as a comeback urn happens in my match >.>
gritty geode
Also please bring back pregame lane setups
The advancement in jorking tech really slowed when they got rid of that
lavish grove
That too!