especially in OCE
#Deadlock
vast sandal
it's not even that I think dash infernus players are stupid I just think playing it makes me feel like I'm stupid
rich grove
I've been in the wrong match so often and in opposite directions
finite patrol
lowkirkuinely sea youre shelf out
rich grove
back to back I've been both the most competent and least competent player in my team and it's so funny
lavish grove
Also trophy collector being tier 2 is a super good change for it
rich grove
yes
lavish grove
It being twice as expensive as enduring speed made it super bad
lavish grove
Yah
vast sandal
I think it's awesome please make the assist collector item like
lavish grove
It’s still a win more item but like
vast sandal
actually good for supports who want to just farm a shitton of kill participation
lavish grove
It doesn’t give up a huge chunk of your lead anymore
rich grove
The Big Stepper player advocating for trophy hunter...
lavish grove
Is big stepper dynamo?
rich grove
yes
lavish grove
Ah yah
rich grove
luna and I once spent the first 15 minutes of the match farming moonshot ragdolls
rich grove
I would get them just low enough and then he would launch them into the upper atmosphere with 1
vast sandal
to the moon alice
lavish grove
Though dynamo did get shot this patch
At least damage dynamo
He’s absolutely still strong so long as black hole is black hole
vast sandal
I'm gonna be honest, big steppy shouldn't have been like that and I'm fine with it getting put back in its place
lavish grove
Absolutely not yah
vast sandal
Dynamo will still be nuts as long as he can erase waves by glaring at them and hit 4
rich grove
gun getting tanked means spirit is comparatively stronger anyway
the meta may have moved in such a way that he is in exactly the same spot, depending on how things shake out
lavish grove
Also, while these lifesteal changes are absolutely bad for Victor
I’m legitimately not that worried about him
Because it’s hitting the other drain tanks worse
vast sandal
- Mina: Nox Nostra DPS reduced by 6%
rich grove
abrams got hit with an atomic bomb
vast sandal
I'm not thrilled by this change
lavish grove
Since Abrams and Geist had their personal lifesteal abilities nerfed even more
rich grove
specifically the shoulder charge change could be catastrophic
lavish grove
So Victor is comparatively better now
rich grove
iykyk
lavish grove
Since his kit was overall buffed
vast sandal
Nox Nostra is like
it's so everything
it's a homing barrage of bullshit that silences and procs Love Bites and does your taxes
you can't take cover against it half the time because the bats just go around the corner and own you
making it have less DPS is not really what I was hoping for in terms of changes to what I see as one of the most centralizing ults in the game
rich grove
I mean more importantly if healthpools are smaller
Mina's value suddenly explodes through the roof just because of that lol
lavish grove
Yah this universal health change will affect a lot just on its own
jovial jay
It’s still a win more item but like
I'm wanting to test how it handles on Warden for his flask and cage. being able to get Area increases and sprint speed at 1600 still seems p good for him given he's good at countering ganks, and finding someone's day and ruining them.
sttack it with mystic expansion and Ballistic enhancement on the flask too, and now its 3200 gun, 1600 green, and 3200 purple for some stupid big flasks
rich grove
I think TC on Shiv is maybe compy now since he kind of wants to perma-brawl for max rage value. I'll let the theory crafters cook on this
rich grove
range on dash/ult + sprint speed are both good on him
theoretically knife bounce also affected but nobody is running knives for bounce range
lowkey I was kind of using ult just as a second dash sometimes
merry verge
Oh the new item blocks Doorman ult too, RIP gingerboy
vivid nimbus
It's a auto-use unstop
glass flicker
Thank fucking god Paige can’t make life living hell anymore with Bookwyrm
Bookwyrm could get really oppressive in street brawl from my experience
undone galleon
what color's shadow weave again
lavish grove
Gun
undone galleon
ok yea these make sense then
severe loom
Hunter got lightened cause it became a 1600, right?
lavish grove
Presumably
rich grove
yeah
jovial jay
Same with weave, being now a T-3
probably for the best it was... too much cost for not enough benefit. I considered using it in a lot of games as Warden to get the jump on people, but losing an end game trade because you misjudged is jsut a lost game
having it at 32 probably makes Drifter and haze way scarier
vast sandal
huh
truth nuke...
you can get Shadow Weave as your 4800 spike on gun assassins now
vivid nimbus
Apparently Indomitable has/had some bad early bugs
While not on CD: Can't use ropes, can't heal from heal minions, can't heal in base, and if you get knocked off a vent it crashes the game for everyone
vestal trench
ok trophy collecter nerf but its t2 so im not throWing to rush it noW, inhib found dead in dumpster paige,,, dragon buff and 3 stam my girllll,
vestal trench
you can get Shadow Weave as your 4800 spike on gun assassins now
on DYNAMO 💀
jovial jay
While not on CD: Can't use ropes, can't heal from heal minions, can't heal in ba...
SMH and they just fixed it so knocking someone on a vent now lets you actually punish them, instead of them just landing too far away to chase
vast sandal
the door main returns
after a thousand years of slumber, I have returned to kill more people by kidnapping them under objectives
finite patrol
hvr building into opening rounds is a dream come true
stable forum
...did they make everyone smaller without telling anyone again?
stable forum
like. hp-wise or literally
literally
in the patch which added rem they made everyone smaller except like abrams
(and didn't tell anyone)
mild flume
what a great prank they are so whimsical hehe
vast sandal
Doorman players be like “genie, increase the odds of stubbing your toe worldwide”
final osprey
Oh of course, slow bucket that term that everyone knows and understands
undone galleon
me and my slow bucket
undone galleon
Oh of course, slow bucket that term that everyone knows and understands
anyways apparently it just means dash speed category
tho that last one (the presumed slow bucket) should be -10% now
rich grove
i still don't understand how to play calico but i won because our holliday was jesus
undone galleon
she Is the first christian (in deadlock)
rich grove
im ngl her name being Christine Holliday would be one of the single funniest name puns you could make
worldly dirge
all i know is that calico is a burst character
i have tried to play her but failed
final osprey
i still don't understand how to play calico but i won because our holliday was j...
Good Holidays are so good, it's kind of crazy how much value they can get out of her
vivid nimbus
Oh of course, slow bucket that term that everyone knows and understands
You’re lucky they said slow bucket and not “bucket 3” like last time they changed what bucket a character is in
vivid nimbus
Well, at least there’s a counter counter in using silence wave to proc it early
(I also read the description to see if disarm procs it. It does not)
It also stops Doorman or Lash or Holliday or Paradox ult
ivory reef
Oh of course, slow bucket that term that everyone knows and understands
I know what it is
Like you can just Google it :p
Isn't it clear from context?
There are buckets and now she's in the slow one
gray otter
indomitable feels great to use
glass flicker
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1t0gees/through_choked_tears_i...
me when i somehow fucking whiff shining wonder for the 4th time this game
gray otter
i love it tbh
half the time im losing i feel like its because the opponent just has so much CC that it doesnt matter how many greens i buy
merry verge
I'm sure it feels great to use but from the otherside it's just kind of 'buy silence wave or your combo/kit doesn't really work'
And free antiparry just.. weh
merry verge
Would it not proc it
lavish grove
Hm, not sure tbh
final osprey
It triggers off of CC
the silence wave is to make the item trigger, not to turn it off with silence
lavish grove
Ah okay
merry verge
And as everyone knows
Combos don't require timing
So adding a step is fine
And silence wave cannot miss
wugh I'm being whiny, they just keep brutalizing my boy
gray otter
*wugh I'm being whiny, they just keep brutalizing my boy*
whos the your boy in question if i may ask?
merry verge
Doormans
gray otter
ah
merry verge
Keeps almost getting above 45% winrate so they have to shoot him with guns
gray otter
yeah i imagine doorman isnt happy abt indomitable
at the very least i dont think everyones getting indomitable every game
so youll still be able to maul some of the enemy team
merry verge
Compared to..
gray otter
and his cc is still very good
and door is imo a strong contender for best ability in the game
merry verge
Door is the saving grace
gray otter
have you ever hit The Door That Kills You (sending an enemy into the healing area)
magic summit
Fountain
gray otter
i would call it fountain but theres... no fountain in there
merry verge
Yes i would just enjoy if they didn't nerf all his options beyond carting someone under something
And then introduce a counter for that too
gray otter
ok but like
indomitable is a 6.4k item
theyre not getting it early
frankly the biggest impact indomitable will have imo is reminding people reactive barrier exists
final osprey
I think Doorman ult is also counterspellable now.
merry verge
It's always been counterspellable
Unless they also changed the new interactions after the big patch so you don't even threat the stun afterward
gray otter
its always been counterspellable you're just. not counterspelling it
final osprey
I mean, the grab. The being sent is counterspellable now
merry verge
l m a o
gray otter
its instantaneous
and itsnot like there arent other extremely CC-reliant characters who are hurt by indomitable existing
merry verge
I don't play those! And I bet they're doing more respectable competetively /sob
Well not Bebop but he's mysterious
cerulean pendant
just ran into a geist yamato lane as abrams💀
theyre calling it the worst lane experience of all time
cerulean pendant
i will say tho that the consecutive losses are lwk letting me enter nirvana cus im beginning to question why i worry about rank or winrate in a game that isnt even out yet
hallow zenith
A very good question to ask yourself imo
jovial jay
INDOMINABLE WORKS AGAINST PARRIES
Fun fact Unstop also worked against parries, meaning you could use it end game too, so now Billy can have 5 seconds of uninterruptable melee, and a free indominable proc if no one CCs him
This also meant you could rush the rejuv with unstop and another teammate spamming parry to try and steal
worldly dirge
you can have cloak of opportunity legendary but it will cost you 2 slots and 12800 souls
jovial jay
Yeah it won't happen in most games, but also its a way of forcing games to end when you're at the 45 min mark and everyone is fed. Fair tbh
magic summit
It definitely isn't worth it but you mentioning that does make my melee Yamato build even funnier
20 seconds of uninterrupted meleeing and then I still get a mulligan after all that if im parried
vast sandal
I was thinking that indominable makes melee more viable on characters with no stun / melee skill access
jovial jay
Eh
Not really because you still run into an issue: there's no major reward to the risk of the melee
The items are still good, it can work, Melee Warden is a funny meme so it can be done, but its not buffing melee more than anything else
gritty geode
we clawing back up to 50% w/r
lavish grove
lavish shale
Oh?
gritty geode
The icons literally swapped between games I had this morning
final osprey
The new toxic icon is so fucking cool
gritty geode
Both of these are hard as fuck
lavish shale
I think I liked the old toxic more tbh
The new one is cool, but much less clear visually I feel
finite patrol
these are the old icons arent they
lavish shale
The new Healbane also feels like a bit much
vast sandal
new Healbane has aura
lavish shale
Kinda wish Healbane had something to build into
rich grove
The new Healbane also feels like a bit much
it is a somewhat significant artstyle break given the art "tiers up" in complexity as the item gets more expensive
lavish shale
Yeah
vast sandal
I kinda wish Healbane built into Inhibitor or something
or just give us another green T3 that Healbane builds into
lavish shale
upgraded Healbane would be nice I think
finite grotto
I love the healbane icon
undone galleon
i dont think the new healbane icon rly communicates itself any more than like, the old one did
also the painting of the hood-cloak is at once muddy yet plasticy in its detail
eternal dune
I don't mind the healbane change at all but I am very much of the mind that the new toxic bullets icon is worse.
the old one visually parsed as "oh this is a poison item" whereas the new one doesn't really communicate anything other than "gun item"
undone galleon
also yea like,
i get the idea here: skull is common poison/toxin iconography
but like idk, make it liquid
lavish shale
the old one visually parsed as "oh this is a poison item" whereas the new one do...
yeah I agree
undone galleon
atm it just looks like the guy from west of dead
spring tundra
obviously toxic bullets implies infernus should take it now
somber creek
They changed them back?
merry verge
Healbane could use an update imo, just a lil boring
astral lava
They changed them back?
these were the Old old icons
this toxic bullets icon doesnt really illustrate that its poisonous at all yeah. looks sick. put it on a different item
finite grotto
Healbane could use an update imo, just a lil boring
Don't think it needs an update. I def get it seeming boring but it is a workhorse item afterall
merry verge
Oh no I meant the old one, I may have gotten confused which folks were talkin about
finite grotto
Ahh
vast sandal
I like new Healbane
Old Healbane was really prosaic even amongst other T2s, it was sauceless (even if the visual design was nice)
I’d be fine with a middle ground like if it was still a coffin with a cross symbol on it but the coffin was nailed shut on skeletal fingers trying to pry their way out or something
But I’m also just a big fan of items having heavy metal album cover looking ass icons
autumn field
wish you could have customized weights for items in street brawl
cuz sometimes you're tryna run gunvic but then no, its all spirit
astral lava
I feel like it's a bit much for a t2 now
this is why it was changed in the first place yeah
merry verge
Really trying to hone it in as a 'wandering kill-getter' item than free soul gen
warm sonnet
There are three kinds of econ items in deadlock
Cult Sac - Camp Farming
Egg - Egg
Trophy Collector - Getting something out of the endless midfight
vivid nimbus
Got changed to just this
autumn field
gotta wonder why
lavish grove
Another art update has hit boundless spirit
rich grove
still auraless, sadly
lavish grove
Yah, I’m gonna continue running the mod that reverts the change
finite patrol
the old art is way more explosive
I understand trying to continue to represent the hand motif
but man the hand just being erased by the amount of spirit you have is sweet
autumn field
I think its funny how this is almost universally a good item for spirit heroes
like even if you do play full spirit, you get your 4.8k, and it builds up to max in like, 3 shots
gray otter
the duration on it is also really nice
i find myself going "hey i could get spiritual overflow" and not regretting it at all very often
autumn field
i dont think anyone would not want to use this except maybe... some pure gun heroes
which is funny
i should learn movement
i watch eskay sometimes and im like, damn i wish i could pull off them rotates
wtf is taking the bots 12 minutes to kill a guardian
vestal hearth
autumn field
damn street brawl treating me GOOD
autumn field
https://youtu.be/Squr5kPow-o?si=cjQ9FCx1Do0mWwDF
saw some comments talking about the MOBA vs FPS/trad hero shooter differences
i think the idea of "make the sniper be more telegraphed and have less availability" works well for these games
in a sense, Lash is a sniper, except he's also the bullet
worldly dirge
autumn field
celeste scares me
vivid nimbus
Not only that, it's in the spirit snare tooltip
Hit the trap with a Charged Shot to detonate early with increased radius.
I don't play GT but I didn't know it was something other people didn't know about
vivid nimbus
Yeah to be clear I didn't know it could be shot midair
agile void
Yeah me neither
what the fuck
I though it was only triggerable once it hit the ground
warm sonnet
I thought it was only triggerable once armed
Only because I probably missed it every time...
jovial jay
And I’ve never seen a grey talon do that
Never seen them do that either. Granted I'm in ritualist, might be low ELO.
Conclucsion: GT mains are sauceless
vast sandal
Grey Talon is a weird character for real but I will never turn down a clutch owl kill-secure on someone who's gonna get away
gritty geode
the intercontinental ballistic owl is very funny every time
late hare
that fucking bird that I hate
I like GT quite a bit but it annoys me to no end when I ping a lane to be like “hey I’m sending the bird so get ready to fight” and then they just… don’t
it’s kind of ridiculously low CD now so it’s not a huge deal but still
twilit roost
You've got to scream CACAW to let your team know the bird is on its way
vast sandal
It's hard to coordinate owls unless you're actively in vocal conversation tbh
late hare
Aztec death whistle over the mic to let my teammates know it’s time to boogie
gritty geode
play a nuclear airraid siren
worldly dirge
she was nerfed too
cosmic cypress
at my elo that don't matter none
finite patrol
they should nerf her more
then inexplicably make her hit box the size it was at release
finite patrol
you've got this in the pocket
spring tundra
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1499607591876300934/M...
Considering celeste got p heavy nerfs for like
3 patches in a row
I think its okay for her to escape once lmao
vast sandal
clawing my way out of the elo hole
autumn field
i did the math and somehow
with just inf bullets and glass cannon, i, the paige, out dps a haze with max infatuation
stable forum
Not only that, it's in the spirit snare tooltip
> Hit the trap with a Charged Sh...
yeah GT has 4 seconds of curse or similar on a 2 button combo
stable forum
https://youtube.com/shorts/VX8lTvSuqok?si=MZawFqMnZfZAIy3P
oh the airshot thing is new
did not used to work that way when I tested
i think people don't use it much because it doesn't propagate the shot damage
rich grove
more useful as a get out of dodge than an offensive initiation
backjump 2, throw 3, hit it with 1 can buy enough time to back out
jovial jay
with just inf bullets and glass cannon, i, the paige, out dps a haze with max in...
a haze with no items or a haze with the same conditions
autumn field
a haze with no items or a haze with the same conditions
Well the enemy haze
jovial jay
Item diff then
Glass cannon's still real good
and infinite ammo? any cahracter is a gun damage monster
autumn field
Yeah i just think the raw DPS jump to being better than Mrs. Gun with 2 items is kinda wild
finite patrol
with just inf bullets and glass cannon, i, the paige, out dps a haze with max in...
infatuation huh
autumn field
I forgot le spelling
jovial jay
Less than you'd think
6400 item + legendary item = Big money
also you get to ignore bullet resist unlike haze
autumn field
Enemy team bought like, no resists
Which was stupid of em
But aside from that, I just find it pretty funny how in spite of haze having multiple t4 gun items and so on, just not having to reload bumped my dps to the second highest in the game, the second being geist
vivid nimbus
If it's brawl sometimes it doesn't offer the resists you want
cosmic cypress
there was a guy on the reddit who did a giant salty haze breakdown
and it was pretty funny but also informative
rich grove
the main thing is that almost nothing works with fixation and all her damage is fixation
you have fire rate, shreds and lucky shot
everything else is largely useless
lavish shale
Haze is weird because her actual gun damage is kinda bad
it's mostly Fixation and on hits
finite patrol
thats what thresh literally just said lol
finite patrol
there was a guy on the reddit who did a giant salty haze breakdown
shiv players when shiv gets fucked over every patch: Playing Deadlock for the last 3 hours
haze players when haze gets fucked over every patch:
vivid nimbus
Lash mains: “I don’t read patch notes, what am I gonna do, not play Lash?”
finite patrol
shiv players running a bakery when they get 2 customers within the killing dough rebake window: Your bread! You're fed!
gray otter
Lash mains: “I don’t read patch notes, what am I gonna do, not play Lash?”
all lash mains are actually just jacob "the" lash
playing lash for long enough turns you into lash
cosmic cypress
shiv players when shiv gets fucked over every patch: **Playing Deadlock for the ...
It was a well argued post but he wrote it like every patch note was another 9/11
autumn field
character who has a skill thats just "you can buy enhanced items in shop"
(impossible to fucking balance)
autumn field
It was a well argued post but he wrote it like every patch note was another 9/11
now i wanna see that post
cosmic cypress
I searched but reddit search is ass
Got it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1szwttf/the_death_of_fixation_rise_of_ability_tax/
Reddit
It was titled like a russian novel
somber creek
Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov must learn to play Deadlock
finite patrol
vivid nimbus
1800 words is short?
cosmic cypress
1800 words is short?
I'm a history major, a short essay is 2k, a standard is 3
finite patrol
1800 words is only what like 4 pages?
cosmic cypress
Depends on formatting, we always went by word count, but I hear americans sometimes do by page count?
also I'm getting addicted to deadlock, even though losing makes me sad
just gotta brush it off and focus on what I did well and what I can fix, like getting your ass beat in strive
finite patrol
game is rly rly good
im kinda taking a break and waiting for another major patch
hoping its a jungle / objective / map focused update
somber creek
I like how a nerf to both gun damage and spirit damage, globally, is a specifically bad nerf to Haze somehow
autumn field
i presume its in the sense of "it hurts everyone but especially haze"
somber creek
I get the point they're making but it's still really funny
"Every global nerf hurts Haze especially bad"
autumn field
yeah its funny when labeled like that
agile void
I like how a nerf to both gun damage and spirit damage, globally, is a specifica...
its kinda because Haze needs spirit a fair bit
like you dont see it if you dont play haze
but knife is like a really big burst of spirit damage
and any loss of spirit scaling means less bullets in your mag, because your mag increases per spirit
by midgame sleep dagger is like... 200 damage
that is nothing to scoff at
vast sandal
I came back around to try Billy again and this character's sick lmao
cosmic cypress
billy is literally the goat
rewarded for getting in people's faces and pressing buttons
somber creek
but the parries.........
cosmic cypress
but the parries.........
trick question, billy doesn't need to heavy melee
afaik you're better off shooting people in the face and occasionally light melee'ing to keep 3 active
if you want to heavy melee you press 1
vast sandal
heavy melee is funny and earlygame sometimes you bring it out just to see if they know
but you have the 1 button
it does a lot
hallow zenith
trick question, billy doesn't need to heavy melee
You can parry light melee
finite patrol
allegedly
vast sandal
Only on prediction
And if you predict wrong, Billy gets to crack your skull like a watermelon
jovial jay
^
whiffing parry against billy without rebuttal is a free chance for him to beat you to a pulp
cosmic cypress
First of many
gritty geode
roaring "THEY DON'T KNOW THE PARRY BUTTON" is my favorite part of being on a billy streak
vast sandal
gritty geode
why the fuck is that 8.61 MB
vast sandal
unbind your parry key.
merry verge
Hadn't read the Frenzy Changes, seems.. odd, I liked it as an extra SR pickup on some folks :|a
autumn field
Hadn't read the Frenzy Changes, seems.. *odd*, I liked it as an extra SR pickup ...
i liked how it was a gun + resil item
but i guess they felt it was too similar to spirit resil for an orange item
merry verge
Game is trying to get me to buy Blood Tribute or Fury Trance and I simply, utterly refuse
Not sure what to patch the hole with in heavy spirit games tbh :|a
autumn field
spiritual overflow is usually a good pick
merry verge
idk about Silver
autumn field
silver can use a lil spirit
i can see spirit snatch and knockdown being good on her
cuz like, it's spirit snatch, on the melee lady? and the "fuck u celeste" button? unless you run phantom strike, which might be better but it's also 6.4k
merry verge
Light Melee Spirit snatch is a lil less tempt but I'm sure it'd still add some smack to Boot Kick
I do tend to end up with Phantom tbh, turns out a lot of people try to Go Up when harangued by werewolves
Liiike, debuff resistance is nice, but so many characters simply don't care about it.. and making the stats temporary too.. seems slightly rough for a 6.4k, Frenzy
stable forum
Hadn't read the Frenzy Changes, seems.. *odd*, I liked it as an extra SR pickup ...
New frenzy is much better
I couldn't buy old frenzy on silver
merry verge
:|a
i mean i am bad at this game
the +2ms seems fun
but what makes it italics-level better
stable forum
debuff resist is the best stat in the game
merry verge
i find this bewildering
stable forum
it also gives more firerate
merry verge
oh true, 15% is a big chunk
stable forum
oh right the low health change
merry verge
i'm still a lil lost on resist being the best though, counterspell/unstop/indom feel that way but like 30% less duration on half of folks that'll be building duration anyway..
i s'pose with another source of it you could maybe get out of the Abrams Heavy Melee
autumn field
the duration is a bit of a pain point i feel like
merry verge
if he waits for you to get under 50%
stable forum
the duration is a bit of a pain point i feel like
a bit but a lot of bruisers like buying duration
duration is pushed on bruisers
autumn field
no i mean like
Frenzy: Low HP bonus is now given for a duration and has a cooldown, whenever you are below the 50% threshold. Lasts 10s and has an 16s Cooldown.
merry verge
Neat if it works sort of '10s of buffs even if you regen above 50%'
merry verge
Nice
stable forum
> Frenzy: Low HP bonus is now given for a duration and has a cooldown, whenever ...
yes duration affects this!
autumn field
:p
merry verge
Yeaaah, it was fun to be Low Health Living in the previous state
for Silver it was just kind of free enormous stats
stable forum
not realllyyy
autumn field
i mean in the sense of like, "i kinda wish it was on at 50% or under all the time"
merry verge
/shrug
stable forum
i found that whenever i was chasing people on silver i was over 50% hp
merry verge
see i found that playing silver made everyone on the server try to shoot me
as Doorman and Drifter and whoever i can skip around merrily
Silver is an ultimate absorber
autumn field
i dont like playing lash that much
he spikes too hard too late if you're not a master at his combo
merry verge
I have similar issues playing the Spirit Nuke set, the window of power is so missable
autumn field
like he's super fun in brawl cuz you will get his insane spikes
but i cant tell how you're supposed to play him without being top-line in terms of skill
stable forum
agile void
maiden ledge
i love just not pressing q on billy because they just blank parry for me
gray otter
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1syt0v9/so_looks_like_were_all...
fake. this would awaken vyper's inner fujoshi
fickle kite
did Vic gets Geists ult?
vivid nimbus
Yep
fickle kite
phenomenal
vivid nimbus
Victor got his own, Yamato's, Geist's, and Warden's
And yes, shadow transformation will reset all three other ults
lavish grove
I think Victor should get all of those in the actual game
vivid nimbus
Also refresher wasn't banned
fickle kite
i agree
lavish grove
It’d be very healthy, and fun
fickle kite
Yamato is quickly becoming my favorite character. Vic is still up there but I'm kinda dooming about the direction he's heading
lavish grove
You mean gun Victor?
fickle kite
Ya, it's fine.
somber creek
Victor got his own, Yamato's, Geist's, and Warden's
Demon demon demon demon
fickle kite
it's a bit boring. I dropped my gun carries because I liked the raid boss play style more
lavish grove
Yah I just still build him as a spirit raid boss
fickle kite
me too, especially past 30 minutes. I dump all my early gun investments and become a skill shot sponge
lavish grove
Legitimately i do think the last patch was good for that, because even if spirit lifesteal was made worse overall all his competition for that role was also made worse as was gun builds in general
Plus his actual buffs were nice for making his midgame on an aura build better
Which is his worst state for an aura build
fickle kite
gun has been great early game, it's very rewarding to play him super aggressive. But I like a lane bully. But it does keep me from using aura until like 10 minutes into the game
lavish grove
Yah, I hate how gun Victor makes aura and jumpstart like, actively bad to use until the late game
It’s not fun
fickle kite
they'll figure it out, I still win with him. And when we win we win hard. And every loss is a tooth and nail ordeal so he's definitely not as deep in the dumpster as Holliday
I play Yamato similarly to vic, the trade off being yamato is waay more aggro which is really fun.
her grappling hook is peak deadlock.
break yourself upon the entire enemy team because you over extended, or stack 5 kills
autumn field
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1syt0v9/so_looks_like_were_all...
Vyper would also fujo the fuck out, also, why do I lowk agree that lash and bebop are like, fuckhating or something
vivid nimbus
I think they've never slept in the same bed but they have had homoerotic duels
fickle kite
me every game as lash whether the beebob is on my team or not
you ever just neg the bebop you're laning with? Then proceeded to run the lobby with him 10-3, 25-7 respectively.
good times
jovial jay
Yah, I hate how gun Victor makes aura and jumpstart like, actively bad to use un...
I mean I get it but I also think it's an intentional trade otherwise you'd have good early game and an insane late game.
there's a reason warden's ult got nerfed a bunch and it's because him having ok gun a good lane an insane ult for low investment was too much pressure at once
lavish grove
I mean I get it but I also think it's an intentional trade otherwise you'd have ...
Oh yah I agree that jumpstart and aura being so bad on him is the reason why gun Victor is balanced despite how strong it is, however I simply don’t find gun Victor fun because of it. As well I do think that it’s partially this reason is that valve should move Victor away from gun because tbh, a character’s best build needing them to just not interact half of their kit is not good imo
Like, to bring up your example, gun warden still uses his ult, even if it’s not as strong as if you did a spirit build
jovial jay
yeah but it's not his main focus (source: I play so much warden)
because the trade off is meant to balance.
it's also because victors drain tank status is way harder to balance than wardens
if his abilities scale and synergize with gun well the entire game becomes win before Victor gets 40k souls or you die
somber creek
A lot of champs have ways to build their kit where they dont rely on like 1-2 abilities
lavish grove
I mean I think the difference is that jumpstart and aura become actively bad for gun Victor
Not just he doesn’t rely on them anymore
Jumpstart is a net loss of HP and Aura does not do enough to damage to be worth the self damage
You use them in the late game for spellslinger stacks and the damage stim respectively but that’s not until either the super late game or once you fully upgrade aura, which is your third ability you upgrade with gun Victor
Also not helped by Victor’s ult not being something you actively use
And a lot of the time you wanna waste it for the damage stim on bullets while it’s on cooldown anyway
vivid nimbus
Jumpstart is a net loss of HP and Aura does not do enough to damage to be worth ...
Ah, aura does about as much damage to you as it does to others, not doing much to others means also not doing much to you. The issue is gun vic probably doesn't have spirit lifesteal untill maybe buying leech
Also, just realized every lifesteal option getting nerfed definitely hurts a drain tank build, even if aura DPS got buffed
rich grove
also flat hp numbers in general
fickle kite
do y'all even buy infuser anymore on Vic?
jovial jay
Ah, aura does about as much damage to you as it does to others, not doing much t...
I will say it may be worth submitting to the devs asking them to let victors self damage be reduced like gesits if the scaling ain't as strong now
because geist also does the pain for power thing but being able to reduce the spirit damage and life drain in kit is nasty
vivid nimbus
AIUI Victor used to be like that on release, both aura and jumpstart
somber creek
Ya
jovial jay
ah
somber creek
They nerfed that
jovial jay
so we're in the midst of nerfs stacking up and seeing what they can undo
vital knoll
do y'all even buy infuser anymore on Vic?
Not in gun victor that's for sure
In spirit victor I feel like you get it after Escalating and maybe Boundless too
But I haven't played spirit since the latest damage increases on aura, but I also think blicktor is probably more consistent - and not hybrid, but like full gun
You're getting maybe QSR Compress CD Bullet Res Shredder in spirit and otherwise eschewing it entirely, using aura for slow and the 15% damage amp, and never pushing jumpstart
vivid nimbus
Well if you have zero spirit, jumpstart is net positive health under 666 health (0AP) or 1133 healh (w/ T2)
If you're hitting like 60 spirit at 40k souls (max boons), the break even point is 1853 health
So even if you're a little above that I think it can be worth it for the speed and debuff resist
autumn field
mvp is funny stuff
also yamato is pretty fun, just build spirit and some greens and a 4.8k orange
vivid nimbus
IME, characters with hard CC are more likely to get MVP which makes me think it tracks hard CC applied
gray otter
reworking my old OC concept to be more in line with the kind of character i like playing in this game (melee goblin)
vast sandal
what if you wanted to play a match of deadlock but your middle lane said: 0/10/0 0/4/1
finite patrol
then take a break or play another one
vast sandal
nah yeah I took a break it was just a frustrating outcome, our mid lane that game got folded in stony silence without asking anyone for help or going "yo we're losing super bad" and then a 20k soul Wraith came thundering out of that lane and into ours and it was like "oh shit, something has gone horribly wrong and idk if we can recover from it"
vast sandal
gritty geode
I LOVE BILLY
He was my second hero and I didnt quite get the game at first but 100 hours in he's just so fun getting in people's faces
A bit more practice and I think i can start winning the 2 and 3v1s I'm almost winning now
somber creek
what's the translation
stable forum
enhanced RR, maybe the stronget item in the game. well, no, enhanced mystic piano is the strongest item in the game
enhanced RR is merely really good
autumn field
RR?
somber creek
Rapid Reload?
lavish shale
Radiant Regen
gray otter
enhanced RR, maybe the stronget item in the game. well, no, enhanced mystic pia...
this could be radiant regen or rapid recharge
autumn field
i imagine much of it cuz her power budget is like, 50% into your 1500 damage button
gray otter
anyway the best item is enhanced runed gauntlets
heavy melee people from across the map
stable forum
this could be radiant regen or rapid recharge
oh, right. I'm meaning Radiant Regeneration
mild flume
honestly the electric boots are very broken as is the smallening thing and the free stats bauble
autumn field
genuinely trying to figure out why im so fucking good at yamato and so bad at lash
despite both of them having the exact same kit (minus the ult), functionally speaking
warm sonnet
No
autumn field
im joking but like
warm sonnet
YOU DARE?!
autumn field
"big damage nuke"
"thing that targets a character to move around with"
"healing aoe attack"
warm sonnet
Yamato isn't tied to keeping distance from her target to deal damage, unlike Lash
Lash is not about being up in people's faces, he jumps in, Lashes all over the place, and then leaves.
Yamama though? She's a face woman, through and through.
warm sonnet
She's also good at deadeloke
autumn field
i feel like the cornerboosting thing people do on urn routes is something i should learn
vast sandal
okay so the big difference between yamato and lash is that lash isn't nearly as tanky as yamato
vast sandal
yamato's made out of reinforced concrete and requires seriously fucked up damage output to pry off of you
autumn field
also i imagine being able to very easily deal 1500 damage just by pressing 1 and waiting helps
vast sandal
Lash is actually not that sturdy, he gets by because he's tough enough to take as much damage as a team can output on him in like 0.5 seconds
and then swoos the fuck out of the fight
warm sonnet
Swoos
vast sandal
swoos
warm sonnet
autumn field
if carmen could lock the fuck in and learn movement and practice her aim
vast sandal
conversely, Lash has an absolutely diabolical ult and his damage output probably beats out Yamato's
also he's crazy mobile
autumn field
i play refresher yamato
vast sandal
like yeah Power Slash has really advantageous scaling and does a lot of damage but have you seen what his 4-1-3 combo does to an entire team
autumn field
im tempted to add curse onto it just to ruin people's lives
warm sonnet
i play refresher yamato
Yeah that's why you're doing well as Yam
autumn field
also seriously though, ive played a few games without it and i do fine
a good chunk is just hitting my 4.8k spike and then im getting solid af kills
vast sandal
the fact that you can play Yamato's entire kit, hit 4, press all her buttons again, Refresher, press all her buttons and then hit 4 again and press all her buttons again is exhausting
get that shit outta my face
autumn field
combine with a few select counterpicks (witchmail vs shiv, for instance, hehe, 0 cooldowns) and you're set for life
i feel like cursed relic yamato could be some of the funniest shit ever
hit them with the "nuh uh"
vast sandal
the -10% damage from cursed relic really hurts your Power Slash though
autumn field
also does it work vs victor ult?
autumn field
the -10% damage from cursed relic really hurts your Power Slash though
yeah true it is like, -100 damage
defo silence wave though
autumn field
i used to main billy
vast sandal
those are my melee heroes
vast sandal
Yamato sure got upgraded into the supreme urn interceptor
autumn field
fuck you sinclair, press 2 -> nope no teleportio
vast sandal
she's a fucken fighter jet now
autumn field
her 2 is incredible
vast sandal
I love Yamato players who 2 straight under my tower
autumn field
i only do that for the execute
esp cuz its funny
ill then google translate something that's like "Sacrificing my life was worth it to destroy the chud baby"
vast sandal
been playing a lot of Dynamo recently and I've been abusing the fact that Singularity shuts off objectives a lot
autumn field
im considering making my yama build have overflow as a lategame item
vast sandal
cool walker you jumped under to save yourself from my carry
however, and consider this: lord singuloth hungers
autumn field
favorite part of yamato is when you get reverb
then you become death
i should make a yama build
finite grotto
Yamato can also pivot way better then lash lategame
Going more gun/melee for late you sometimes have to do on yam and it just isn't really an option for lash
finite grotto
but yamato's 2 is just so fucking GOOD
Tier 2 on her 2 in lane first is so 😌
autumn field
i usually run 1 3 2 in terms of order
her t2 on 2 is stupid good but i think 6% HP heal is also potentially really good
finite grotto
yamato is pretty flexible
I do really like rushing tier 2 2 since i play really agressive and it gives insa e kill pressure and mobilty
but it def is a taste thing
I havent played deadlock in a bit since i dont have pc acess atm so i dont super know if there are any like big changes in builds for yam
mild flume
I like the 2 2 build
vestal trench
speaking of late game pivoting apollo is not a bad gun character late game with the scaling changes of last patch
mild flume
esp with it being a light melee now you can get spirit strike and heal strike
as your first 2 items and really pressure early
vivid nimbus
Going more gun/melee for late you sometimes have to do on yam and it just isn't ...
There’s actually is a more gun oriented Lash build that high level players think is stronger than just going full spirit nuke
vast sandal
it's the gun/grapple gimmick right
finite grotto
There’s actually is a more gun oriented Lash build that high level players think...
Oho
I need to check that one out then
vivid nimbus
Yeah the +7 damage per bullet on grapple T2 stacks
finite grotto
Lash gun do be very nice to shoot
worldly dirge
worldly dirge
it broke when i copied it lol
whole moon
damb....
vast sandal
the beauty of playing Dynamo is no matter how sloppy you play all game
you can still hit a fucking C L E A N ult and become the goat of the match
rich grove
I genuinely thought that was sinclair and we were all fucked
no that was a 4man
good honest dynamo gameplay
worldly dirge
A good ult can change the whole game from loosing to suddenly having a soul lead
autumn field
im watching more deadlock and seeing how high rank movement players play and damn the difference between movement players is insane
like, I'm watching Eidorian and my first thought was "thats a lot of dashes" then i realize it's less a lot of dashes and more that ive watched too many clips of perfect cornerboosting machines
autumn field
thing ive learned about deadlock: i hate apollo
as a yamato
his movement fucks up my aim and i dont have good base stun options
somber creek
Also Apollo loves very telegraphed attacks
rich grove
95% of your damage is in a thing he can on reaction press 2 on
autumn field
also a good doorman is painnnnnnnn to play against
autumn field
just got a survey asking "how good of a frontliner is mina", "how much of a carry is shiv", "how good of a frontliner is silver"
jovial jay
I got one asking how good of a carry rem was
merry verge
Rank Mina 5/5, maybe they'll give her even worse max HP
vast sandal
twilit roost
Port Uncle Sven from gigantic to deadlock
spring tundra
autumn field
I like how grave skulls are either instantly killed or instantly kills
magic summit
just got a survey asking "how good of a frontliner is mina", "how much of a carr...
I've not gotten them but ive seen people mention that, think this summer we might be getting a draft mode hopefully
Would be interesting if they go more into roles, I find myself swapping into blue lane more and more because I play the characters that go gank at minute 5
vast sandal
winning the match by devastating enemy Haze's mental so badly she repeatedly dives, dies, and then DCs in a fury
cosmic cypress
lmao
I keep seeing azzapp clips where he's like 'to win, just wait til the enemy team complains in all chat then ask "Why?"'
'they'll be so busy blaming each other they'll lose'
mild flume
I have definitely seen good results out of the "gank players you know have bad mental relentlessly" strat
cosmic cypress
Without being salty about it
I am stuck in a weird place where my execution is fairly poor to middling
but I Have Played Mobas
But I cannot VC
I can only watch as my team makes easily predictable macro mistakes
Oh no we lost an urn fight. I am spamming retreat. No one retreats and 4 people die one after the other.
The enemy team is taking mid. I signal that they are taking mid. Nothing Happens. They take mid.
Someone on my team fails a gank and gets an enemy low. I ping and say retreat. They chase them into the enemy team and die
I need a bigger apartment so I can VC to try and gently steer these people in the right direction
vast sandal
text chat exists
people sometimes respond to it
however You Can Only Watch is also just part of the solo queue experience
I kind of suspect it's one of the primary factors that turn people insane as they climb the ranks
cosmic cypress
Yeah I can feel it cursing me and I don't even really want to climb, just Win Occasionally
undone galleon
yea i dont think vc would strictly fix this
especially since that assumes everyone has vc on
vast sandal
tbh you find a pretty good slice of the genpop with vc on in queue
undone galleon
that Is fair
cosmic cypress
I'm an elementary school teacher I don't need them to talk I just need a couple to listen to simple one word instructions
Lmao
vast sandal
all I'm saying is that when I say "haze you will be reborn as a lotus flower if you run the urn while we have the opportunity" over vc, sometimes that shit works
and we actually go from winning a semi-pointless fight in sidelane to dunking an urn in
magic summit
I have definitely seen good results out of the "gank players you know have bad m...
In both Dota and Deadlock there have been players that have been identified as the "weak mental" player
Which, unfortunately
Means they are gonna get ganked and solo ulted a lot
Cause it only needs to happen a couple times for those people to start running it down mid or abandon or some such
The dire situation of being high mmr and thus a low enough playerbase for people to be recognized
whole moon
okay it was a bot match but im proud of myself i really was in a good tempo
i love rushing richochet i think im starting to understand when to get it.....
rich grove
In both Dota and Deadlock there have been players that have been identified as t...
clears throat
metro why you play holliday blyat
magic summit
Oh how I wish I was high enough to get to Metro lobbies
worldly dirge
mild flume
The dire situation of being high mmr and thus a low enough playerbase for people...
aussie dota queue is small enough I know a few
and we have like 3 banned out by double picking a few players
because they just play the same shit
late hare
I can only watch as my team makes easily predictable macro mistakes
It really is kind of maddening yeah
plucky tusk
I need a bigger apartment so I can VC to try and gently steer these people in th...
The other day i started incoherently yelling at my team to push because we had midboss and phase and no shrines or bgs in the enemy base and four faces up and doorman was talking about some "let's fall back and farm a bit" at the 40 minute mark
cosmic cypress
The other day i started incoherently yelling at my team to push because we had m...
Like it's just faster and more emphatic
I was gonna retreat the other day but someone yelled 'dynamo get your fat fucking ass back here we're gonna gank this yamato'
plucky tusk
I sometimes wish you could report someone for just being an immeasurably dogshit player like this doorman was giving advice all game like "don't do urn run go for sinners" and " let's not phase just fallback and jungle" and "were two faces up but that might not be enough for mid"
@vast sandal you've seen my descent into insanity from solo queue
The problem is that woodelo teammates genuinely act in manners unpredictable to man
vast sandal
that Doorman was so afraid of ending game
idk why it's fucking Doorman your powerspike was gone 30 minutes ago, you are a full support
plucky tusk
he was driving me insane he was allergic to pushing objectives or to farming or urns or anything
plucky tusk
idk why it's fucking Doorman your powerspike was gone 30 minutes ago, you are a ...
The next game was worse though
where the enemy team exclusively did 6 man pushes
late hare
I just want my teammates to stop leaving lane to dogpile into 5v5 teamfights that have already been going on for a full two minutes or more because we lose walkers to it every time
or trying to run urn when there's there's even numbers
plucky tusk
Where's that gif of Abrams screaming as five different guys pile him on the mini map
late hare
I've been trying to take better advantage of Trophy Collector being cheap now for Paige and Ivy (or really anyone who can spare the build space), but it's created a problem in a few games where my desire for stacks conflicts with the knowledge that if I'm not playing macro and split pushing nobody is
vast sandal
I like Trophy Hunter on pick supports and characters that are just gonna fiend for kill participation all game anyways, but if your job is gonna include big pushes then I think it is kind of wack in its current state
Like if you’re playing Calico or Drifter or Vindicta, you’re probably gonna want to collect some trophies in order to supplement your income since you’re gonna spend some time Not Farming in order to get da stacks (or in Calico’s case, you’re getting kill participation for cash anyways so why not double down)
late hare
I've mostly switched towards playing supports (Paige, Ivy, Doorman) partially because the item flexibility is nice
magic summit
or trying to run urn when there's there's even numbers
Tbh I do think you should run urn with even numbers but the equation just changes to "if I run urn I go there and if they dont contest it, free urn. If there are 4 enemies there and we are out numbered I'll just run the urn to our base so they dont get it and waste their time"
Which the latter does end up screwing you, the urn runner, more but
Alas
Unironically my push to eternus was done in a couple days of just picking Celeste and running urn every 5 minutes on the minute no matter the circumstance
final osprey
or trying to run urn when there's there's even numbers
It really depends on team comp and ult availability.
Like if you have a lash ult up, and the enemy don't have Dynamo or something you should be able to dunk
vivid nimbus
Unironically my push to eternus was done in a couple days of just picking Celest...
Celeste is absolutely the character most able to do that
vast sandal
joe chuck has absolutely revitalized my Doorman passion
been welcoming them back to the Baroness
my solo queue allies have been remarking on how I roll, had the whole team pogging when I sent all of the enemy carries to our spawn
plucky tusk
calico on my own team calling my a gay soft liberal and thrower for going 14/12/18
calico meanwhile is at 1/19/4
these three calling ME the thrower
merry verge
I've found a lot of Calicos with main character syndrome even if underperforming
Always team letting them down so they can't carry smh
vast sandal
nah it was definitely the mina who went 0/9/4 and started raging in vc
agile void
plucky tusk
I've found a lot of Calicos with main character syndrome even if underperforming
it was mina
mina was doing box runs during base defense and i told her that they were gonna get killed by haze
and they tell me to shut up
then they immediately get killed by haze
vast sandal
then they hit us with the true combo
merry verge
that does at least feel in character
vast sandal
of fucking
plucky tusk
and she told me im a soft liberal
vast sandal
"you're bad, you're throwing, you're trash, you're soft, you're a liberal, and I know you're ugly irl"
actual rage bnb
autumn field
it was mina
ngl its kinda why i mute people a lot when i try to play
well, if they say something other than "im going mid" or "can we get urn"
autumn field
mirage scares me
i dont know how to play him, or why he's so good but if i lane against him i fucking die
also macro is harddddddddddddddd
plucky tusk
@rich grove @vast sandal the filthiest game ever played
nothing but utter filth and slop
rich grove
IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WORLD
plucky tusk
every build a masterpiece in oppression
vivid nimbus
Kelvin with 17 deaths but also 19k obj dmg sure tells a story
vast sandal
not pictured: the obscene number of kidnapping victims who died under blue walker
plucky tusk
really hard to express how vile every build was this round
plucky tusk
not pictured: the obscene number of kidnapping victims who died under blue walke...
and those who escaped kept getting marked
vast sandal
no one was playing honorably
rich grove
luna hit the cheat death power spike and then it just did not matter where he was
vast sandal
I mean I literally invaded their walker 4fun
and then killed people
for the audacity of trying to stop me from backdooring their walker
plucky tusk
luna would throw them under the walker and then i would re appear under and mark all over them and they got so fucking mad at us
except viscous
rich grove
and then killed people
he said 'i don't see color' 😭
vast sandal
viscous was mindbroken
plucky tusk
Kelvin with 17 deaths but also 19k obj dmg sure tells a story
also tech i did the calc
my shots were doing 95% healing reduction
they couldnt heal even if they tried
rich grove
by end game may was shooting pocket ults that did celeste ult damage
plucky tusk
i would show up and aim and everyone would melt
vast sandal
I think the funniest thing that happened that match for me in particular was when I just walked up their lane killing minions and no one wanted to fight me
there were like 3 people just trying to pretend I wasn't pushing the lane
I gotta download the replay so I can cut out some clips from that match
plucky tusk
I gotta download the replay so I can cut out some clips from that match
me too lmao
there was some insane mirage and doorman gaming
shoutouts to kelvin
vast sandal
there was insane gaming from everyone tbh
plucky tusk
true but not as funny gaming
vast sandal
thresh was so fucking fed early that fucking Forbidden Chinese Warden Build manifested
plucky tusk
the enemy team gave their very best shot at us
vast sandal
I'm gonna be honest
what we did to that team could be classified under psychological torture
rich grove
thresh was so fucking fed early that fucking Forbidden Chinese Warden Build mani...
LITERALLY
I said fuck it and built the logbait warden build because between you, me and may we had enough slow to make escaping cage impossible
and then. nobody. built. debuff remover???
for some reason??
til like 40 minutes in
vast sandal
“The forbidden/secret Chinese build” is easily the funniest Deadlock playerbase meme
errant sphinx
I've heard people say logbait warden build what is that
vivid nimbus
I had a game where I was rolling on Victor and at the end of the game the only anti-heal was one (1) toxic bullets on Infernus (who I suspect just bought it on a L->R build)
slender falcon
I've heard people say logbait warden build what is that
...logbait? like from clash royale?
plucky tusk
unusual shit was occurring
errant sphinx
I don't even know what logbait is ill be real
vast sandal
So apparently logbait is a clash royale strategy where you bait a board wipe and then come back at them with tons of saved troops and overwhelm them when they have no way to clear it
slender falcon
I don't even know what logbait is ill be real
in clash royale it's a cycle deck archetype that revolves around overwhelming your opponent's counters to your swarm cards to break through
it. uh
baits. it baits the log
vast sandal
Logbait Warden is echo shard binding word AP3
slender falcon
(small spell used to clear small troops)
slender falcon
given what Deadlock is, I assume it's something to exhaust an opponent's counters to your stuff?
vast sandal
You throw the binding word, let them Dispel Magic it, then nail them with a biblical amount of CC all at once
slender falcon
that's my best guess
errant sphinx
That's pretty funny
Also I will say the forbidden Chinese build is funny to me but whenever I see it I just think of Chinese Dota
slender falcon
baits. it baits the log
bait is a more varied archetype
and by that I mean there's 1 other bait type, fireball bait.
this isn't a clash thread tho so
rich grove
on god I was doing Invoker micro trying to pilot that build
slender falcon
bye
errant sphinx
Which I don't even know much about except people I know telling me to play more Chinese as in play slower
rich grove
that's too much thinking for a Warden player
vast sandal
I was playing Extremely Normal Doorman
magic summit
for some reason??
My advice of "build reactive barrier and dispel magic literally every game and you will win 50% more" remains true
rich grove
I can't be expected to do that this often
vast sandal
With extremely normal items (Cheat Death, Vortex Web, Refresher, Cursed Relic)
rich grove
My advice of "build reactive barrier and dispel magic literally every game and y...
the funniest part was that I was getting claws on cd against this Celeste and still losing the 1v1 lmao
because she had shield
so it was largely cosmetic damage
errant sphinx
Dispel Magic is probably better but I love getting counterspell
rich grove
insanely funny
vast sandal
That poor Silver received lifetimes of punishment for playing the game correctly
vast sandal
You try and kill my carry? I send you to the Baroness
plucky tusk
That poor Silver received lifetimes of punishment for playing the game correctly
deserved tbh
vast sandal
You try and use your ult? I send you to the Baroness
plucky tusk
funny horrible wretched things were occurring
magic summit
Oh I should post a Celeste clip i got recently related to that
vast sandal
You try to kill me, you get kidnapped under my walker and THEN go to the Baroness
magic summit
I give generational trauma to people as the sinister horse
plucky tusk
that silver called us a cuck and also accidentally revealed she was playing with naked silver mod
slender falcon
that silver called us a cuck and also accidentally revealed she was playing with...
LMAO
vivid nimbus
Self-report
vast sandal
Well no
She called me a cuck
After I apologized for sending her to the Wall Dimension
Then she self-reported by accident
plucky tusk
she also did some mirage slander
and then died the rest of the game
mirage must go!
who must go?
vast sandal
advance praise for The Doormain Returns
"Doorman I know you're in those files" - enemy Viscous
"HOLY SHIT DOORMAN" - ally Mirage
"He has Cheat Death, what do you even do" - enemy Silver
plucky tusk
advance praise for The Doormain Returns
"Doorman I know you're in those files" -...
I gotta know how bad it was in their team chat
vast sandal
“Holy shit doorman” is from another match where Mirage went from “doorman why are you feeding” as I ran at enemy carries as the 2nd last man standing and then watched me kidnap them into our spawn
vast sandal
Like, macro strategy?
autumn field
Yeah
My Yamato is good enough to win most 1v1s I think
My problem is learning how to keep a soul lead or not get fucked over by a Haze or whatnot
or like, if im playing Yamato, what my options are if im playing against a hypergreen in a 1v1 type scenario)
plucky tusk
My problem is learning how to keep a soul lead or not get fucked over by a Haze ...
Well as Yamato the answer is you dont really get to do the second
or the first, really.
autumn field
:(
plucky tusk
Yamato is not a proficient farmer or able to withstand the haze onslaught
Your job is to win lane, gank, and get fed
autumn field
I can hypercarry on street brawl
plucky tusk
you dont have any particular scaling or powerspike beyond simply killing people more
plucky tusk
I can hypercarry on street brawl
Street brawl is incomparable to standard
autumn field
yeah thats what im trying to do
im tempted to build gun on yama sometimes
like, not super hard gun, but more like, 2-3 gun items
also, Mina
plucky tusk
also, Mina
fire rate and spirit nukes
autumn field
Mina is weird
plucky tusk
your gun damage doesn't scale but lovebites does
autumn field
she either hard deletes me or is useless
plucky tusk
Greena isn't real don't fall for it
autumn field
ive met 2 flavors of minas, useless, and god
did they buff her ult or something not too long ago?
i remember her ult being kinda piss in the past
also if street brawl has ranked mmr, i feel like SB might've ganked some of my lobbies cuz damn some of them were matched with people who are wayyyyyyyyyyyy better
like, 10k ahead everyone but me
or i just got a really bad match
errant sphinx
yamato is you kinda just identify in each match who you get to kill and kill them a lot
in my experience playing her i do think even if you do poorly early you can do pretty decent mid to late game, ur ult is like really good
I'd say the first piece of advice is genuinely just play around ult
You don't want to fight when it's not up
autumn field
Sadly shes expensive AF for her maximal combo
errant sphinx
Like soul wise?
errant sphinx
I didn't run refresher on her
But the rest are good yeah
Idk I think yamato lategame is pretty competent
autumn field
i do, i dont like playing around waiting
errant sphinx
i think in regular matches yamato is actually a character that relies on u being very patient
vast sandal
Yamato is a roamer/ganker in terms of macro strategy
your goal is to take situations the enemy could win in, and turn them into shitstorms
actually here's a good way to understand Yamato's power curve
Yamato is a tempo hero
so to keep your soul lead up, your plan is basically to find a power spike or a situation that you can exploit to get a little bit ahead (say, via getting some kill souls, stealing their Sinner's, clearing camps faster, etc.), and then keep going active and getting paid as much as you can off of the back of that lead and growing it until you are a menace to the entire server
rich grove
you have a fairly strong early game with 3 letting you trade favorably into m1s and 1 just giving you fairly fat damage overall
then when you get ult you can deal 70% to people
magic summit
My problem is learning how to keep a soul lead or not get fucked over by a Haze ...
A few things. The just moba general tip I would give is look at your map more. For keeping a soul lead the thing I usually mention is that if you are ahead in souls on the enemy, but both you and the enemy are just farming your own sides of the map, the one that is benefiting is the enemy, because the discrepancy % is shortening. You need to gank or take objectives or steal their farm. Also with Yamato vs Haze you just need to buy like, metal skin vs her ult then you murder her in most every situation. Yamato is designed for murdering m1's and as long as you can land your stuff or aren't behind her you usually win that interaction, unless you are going a more sustain Yamato build, which is good, but bad against Haze in particular
The current way to understand your big power spike is like
Level 2 in grapple and level 3 power slash with spirit snatch
+40 ability power, lessen their resistance with the spirit snatch and even more spirit power then your power slash hits them to a near uncontestable degree for that point in the game
What you really do with this power spike is basically just try to gank as much as possible, and try to interrupt people on their side of the map trying to do farm. You can hear people punching a sinners sacrifice from very far away, you know someone is going to have less health from doing that, you can just murder them with grapple as Yamato fairly well
vast sandal
Yeah your job is roaming
You jump on people you catch farming alone, steal, hurl yourself into fights that are even or winning already and make them unfair, reinforce against obj pushes, kill solo pushes, smash random objectives that are close to death, start shit fights in the jungle, rob their doubles…
Occasionally swap in to take over a lane that the permanent laner there wants to hand off
A corollary to this is that the faster your lane is won and you can scoot off to go cause problems, the better
autumn field
Sounds like i need to buy stam mast
vast sandal
Or Majestic Leap, or Veilwalker, or if you’re a real demon Shadow Weave to help hit your 4.8K in weapon
I should start getting Veilwalker on Doorman
autumn field
true
autumn field
heh fair enough
vast sandal
Whatever category you stuff the devious tricky buys in
autumn field
tonight im gonna try gunmato in SB for fun, if i can
vast sandal
(I have Silencer and Ballistic Enchant in my Geist build’s tech category)
autumn field
Indomitable is such a fucking good item
vast sandal
Indomitable is really fucking strong for brawlers
magic summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSviHPy8AY This is about dota but I feel the sentiment carries to Deadlock too as a similar valve game
In particular the "lack of a forfeit button" part making your games better on average
gritty geode
I present
the hell game
cursed artifact billy is a shameful thing to be but we won
it was this close at one point
hallow zenith
augh
Had a very good game that I ended up fumbling at the last minute 
Game was still great
plucky tusk
i forgot we still had walker lmao
plucky tusk
me and chudlet ftw
that was a horrible disgusting game
i directed my team of chudlets and newer players into utter obliteration of hte enemy team so hard that three of them dc'd before we even phased
whole moon
i have been playing vindicta and while she's very fun, every time the tracer round goes thru an enemy model and doesn't register a hit makes my misery spike